StarCraft 2: The Floor Is LURKERS! (Cure vs Rogue)
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Best-of-3 series of top-level StarCraft 2 between Rogue and Cure. In this Zerg versus Terran we watch both players execute a variety of strategies as they try to outsmart the opponent.
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13:11 - "Is it the end of the world? Not really, but it's certainly a nice start."
- Lowko, summarizing the last few years...
I read this as soon as he said that
"in a TvZ, it's usually the better player that wins"
Lowko's win rate against toss: 12%
Nah ZvP is actually my best matchup currently! I’m at like 72% winrate this season
@@LowkoTV by queen march?
I don't feel like this is necessarily the case at all. WIDOW MINES!??? sEt AnD fOrGeT. (I am just raging) But really, how true can that statement be? Zerg always has the biggest trade deficits EVER when fighting Terran that its actually kind of ridiculous. Sometimes Zergs are down more than 10k resources compared to their Terran opponents.
@@andrewzone7601 No, by going 12 pool. Do you even call yourself a fan? sheesh~!
Also 12 pool has a bad rap.
@@EmuSnacks yes, that’s the nature of the matchup. Zerg has better opportunity to stop the T from expanding thanks to their superior mobility, and if they fail to do that they lose the match.
TvZ feels like a movie. Like humans trying to stop an alien invasion as the aliens try to take more and more control of the map.
starship troopers vibes
Those words with the "ph" pronounced like [f] - such as "Phoenix" (or "alphabet" or "philosophy") - have Classical Greek origins. These words are actually spelled with the letter phi (φ), which is pronounced in Classical Greek as an aspirated p (pʰ). When the Romans transliterated these words into the Latin alphabet, which obviously does not have a φ, they were spelled with the "ph" instead. As the Greek language changed over the centuries, so did the pronunciation of the φ, resulting it being pronounced more like [f] than [pʰ]. The new pronunciation was imported to Latin, but the old "ph" spelling remained, and thus down through the centuries to languages like English.
I hope that's helpful!
thanks for the entomology lesson :)
wow, thank you!
@@SomeGuy-ty7kr Etymology. Entomology is the study of insects. ;P
@@Komatik_ son of a b--- I knew it was one of those, lol
Hi Lowko. Next time, please teach us what names the Queens would have if they were Dutch :) Instead of Karen, Margaret and so on
Karin, Margriet, Brenda is still good. Tineke? How about Nienke?
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I voted ZvT because when I play Z, I have the hardest time against T and I like learning by watching 👀
Nathan watches Lowko too? LMAO I thought you only talk about China things
Wow the great Nathan Rich!
Practice mechanics and ZvT solves itself.
I used to have the hardest time vs Terran, but for some reason, my struggles switched to ZvP...though I am not great at either tbh
hi nathan
Phoenix = Bird that, when it dies, goes up in flames and is reborn from the ashes
Fenix, Marcus = Gears of War main character
Yeah. In the English language ph makes an f sound, such as in phoenix or photo. So DPG is correct.
Why are my comments not showing up
Fenix - Protoss hero, who made his last stand in Antioch. Initial template behaviour of Talandar.
I've got to agree with lowko. Get ravens. You stress out that every scan is 300 minerals. You can get a raven and save yourself those troubles. Not to mention that you can mess up zerg's pathing with the turrets
It's not like it even matters to terrans. See them drop 3 simultaneous scans on top of each other just to kill a few lurkers. 1 scan might have been enough. 2 scans staggered totally would do it, but nope all 3 all at once. I want to believe ZvT is balanced but terran gets the easy mode range, tech advantage, and aoe. also brrr marines go infinite damage in the densest packed format.
Phoenix may be pronounced with an "eff" sound, but it is spelled with a "P". DPG makes sense to me.
Lowko being a real dutchy, "fenix" = phoenix
@@RuleMakerEU90 on in english is fat and phone are pronouced the same with ph and f ...
He likes Fenixes from Toss :)
@@RuleMakerEU90 The character Fenix is pronounced Phoenix which makes it understandable. Phoenix is also a borrowed word it isn't English.
In some countries its Fenix
Lowko has some good early game breakdown on when to deny or plant the 3rd hatch but I have to be consistent, fast, clever, and more attractive than my opponent to pull it off. Wish me luck!!
waaaaiiit... one of those things isn't like the other
Nah he really doesn't. Lowko just cracks jokes ppl stopped laughing at in grammar school. If you want actual game strategy go watch Harstemcasts.
18:46 "it would have been cooler if he would have dropped off a marine to make room for a widow mine"
so lowko would sacrifice a living marine to be mauled to death by the swarm, for a robotic mine...
oh, the things starcraft does to you.
I feel you bro, calling for those ravens
It hurts really bad when a Terran pro doesn't use Ravens when the opponent mass Lurkers😣
1:47. I'm the "actually" guy telling you that the Phenix is indeed written with a p.
Phoenix*
Fenix
Protoss I feel like depends less on being more skilled than the other player, and more on hoping the other player has a misstep (disruptor hits, late-game skytoss?) which is what makes TvZ the most entertaining to watch.
Agree👍
I haven't watched this yet but I really hope you've put a "de vloer is lava" Snollebollekes reference in there Lowko!
Literally on point with my dinner lol
On point with my lunch lol
Man Loko, I abandoned SC2 and therefore you for some months but I’m glad to be back on this vid. Heel erg bedankt voor de geweldige video's
11:15
Made sense to me. Thanks for the break down/ explanation. 👍😁
Each of the seconds in the early game are calculated so precisely.
I enjoy ZvZ much more, its like juggling with nitroglycerin
Imagine that you could join one sc2 team and meet all the players on it
than i took 2011 IM.
I've always wanted to use a strategy like this one, but I'm too much of a noob to pull it off.
Problem is, the second I realize I’ve gotten that good, I look around and realize I lost my job 6 months ago, I’m 300 pounds, and my wife is about to take my PC in the divorce.
@@aaronwilliams8688 you need to take your life back
@@tasleboutealair1890 didn't you know...
Starcraft is Life
@@jaybee8862 no
""phoenix"" The bird that raises from the ashes is ph not f. But don't worry mate your Australian isn't to bad for a Dutchman
In allot of countries its spelled with an F (Fenix) so one can understand the question. :)
@@saxorsaxofon88 in the the indo germanic based languages, like the one from the netherlands, the pheonix is spelled with ph. I bet it was a pun on the charackter Fenix from Sc2 :D
Actually in French P+H is pronounced 'F'. Maybe that's part of the answer.
@@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884 ph is pronounced f in English too ;)
@@funpunkerle in scandinavia its spelled with an F :)
lowHi lowVe lowZ
u finally figured out what matchup I exclusively watch on your channel
Drinking game... whenever Lowko says "Anyways" take a drink... and now I have cirrhosis of the liver.
Serious talk though Lowko, I'm about 2 months behind watching all your videos in order... and maybe since then til now someone else has said something, but I wish it was something I never noticed... you say ANYWAYS a ton!
Thanks for all you do. I hope to meet you one day and eat GOOODA cheese with you.
I voted zvt because the movie startroops, i love to see soldiers smash zergling (also the oposite)
26:26 Smeagol is FREEEEE
My very first pro game I watched of Starcraft was between 2 of the highest ranked Zerg and Terran players at the time and tasitos was casting it. Went to a map 7 in the grand finals. Ever since then I’ve loved it
Right, Raven. U will see so much raven in lastest Clem vs. Serral XD
Thoroughly agree with your comments about Ravens. They seem like a great defence squad against Nydus and Lurkers both
Lowko doesn't play Terran. You can't have a Tech Lab on a Starport past the early game for obvious reasons.
Not that you can't, more that the overwhelming majority of Terrans choose not to: Maru uses BCs and Banshees in mech compositions against Zerg. I absolutely agree that Medivacs, Vikings and Liberators are incredibly valuable and choosing to have a Starport with a Tech Lab is usually inefficient, but Terran buildings fly, or you could keep building Banshees and harassing with them, or keep building Ravens and using them against any composition Zerg has: AA Missile is generally great (especially on defence); Interference Matrix can be used to buy time for Ghosts to snipe Lurkers or against other casters and Auto Turrets can simply add damage and soak to any attack
@@martinhendry2683 Terrans do not "choose to not build Ravens", they choose to go Bio or Mech after their opener and that dictates the options. The vast majority of pro Terrans play Bio and it is not possible to stop producing Medivacs or air Support.
@@glowyboi7175 I'm aware of the choice to play bio or mech and the importance of constant macro, I just think that given the enormous likelihood of seeing Lurkers in tvz, the idea of having a single Starport able to produce Ravens that otherwise can still produce one Liberator, Medivac or Viking at a time while researching upgrades isn't going to break anyone's game. Yes, it's slightly inefficient, but so is losing a load of workers because you don't have a scan available. The Raven would need to be separately controlled which is honestly the biggest argument I personally see for not using them: apm limitations given how poorly they move with the rest of the army
@@martinhendry2683 Only pros are qualified to say what would break their game and none of them agree with you, so you're wrong. This is probably because vision is not a problem for pro Bio Terrans - they never run out of scans unless they are behind already, and in that situation a Raven will put them even more behind. It certainly wouldn't have helped Cure - he lost because he didn't notice the Nydus spawning in his main, the production was still getting hit, the workers were still going to die.
Only a few weeks ago I figured that a nydus canal could make infinite nexus worms
Is Lowko the best caster?! 'Hell Yeah!' (35:20)
alternative Videoname suggetion: Dancing at the Spikeclub ^^
Z v T just always feels like a movie when spectating, the endless swarm versus the cunning humans. Not to mention baneling busts vs terran are infinitely more satisfying than the other matchups
I disagree so much, I can't understand you people at all. It's just endless Banelings only versus the endlessly kiting, dumb humans. It's just... nothing else than that for the last 8 years of TvsZ.
One argument in my favor: SC2 playerbase is very small and yet dwindling.
Yes the arrow is helpful
I didn't see where the nydus were
TvT is how I started watching. I love the match up sadly you never cast those anymore. The tactical aspect of the Tank and Viking movement is quite enjoyable.
Phoenix is spelled with a p... great cast lol
I never notice that we can cut the corner at the center 🤔🤣
@LowkoTV check the finals between Clem and Serral to see Ravens in action :)
Dragon Phoenix Gaming, I think DPG Is pretty accurate :-)
yo lowko never stop uploading videos man 🔥🔥🔥🔥
"This is some of the best Terran ive seen" *laughs in french*
For a Starcraft clan, it could be Dragon Fenix Gaming.
Man... Cure was absolutely killing it! Of course TvZ is the best match up, these are the two main races of the story. Protoss was just created to kind of fill that gap for a 3rd race of advanced aliens, instead of the Zerg more primitive ones.
just a quick question, why not use banshees against lurkers? like Marine, raven, banshee comp? or late game units with raven banshee?
Insert Braveheart voice here : 26:26
Is it cause its ZvT or is it really just "Not Protoss"? lol I'd love to see that as an option in the next poll of this type lol
ITS PHOENIX the fire bird!
i kinda have a crazy idea after the game yesterday would putting a hard cap on defensive structures help late game not stagnate into forest of spores and missile turrets ?
Then you couldn't spend excess money, and max 200 supply limits it.
That would stagnate even more, slowing down spending. Static defenses are usually not with their army all the time, so they can be picked off slowly. Conversely, they slow enemy movement and encourage engagements due to increased map vision.
Did you tweak your mic settings for this one? Sounds like it's maybe clipping a little.
One thing that bothers me is how hatcheries are the only building/unit in the game that both sells units and sells research. That wasn't even the case in SC1 where they exclusively just performed research (larvas are free)
It's annoying how there's 2 useful techs for zerg to research on the hatchery at the same time as having to upgrade the hatcheries as well as build queens.
Lowko's Thumbnail: So I made this nifty little arrow so you can see that the nydus worm is the one that doesn't look like a Terran structure... Just in case you were confused.
I hate to say it but sometimes i forget to build detections in PvZ and lurkers always fuck me up, only if i forget detection tho since I have been going sky before robo still but not forgetting
Ill be 100% honest i always think pvz is plants vs zombies
@@Hairlessmonke tbh
30:22 he manually turned off lurker fire so he might get a better hit later
I guess lowko also uses a cell fone?
ZvT is the best matchup to watch I think because it’s bugs vs humans too classic
"If he dropped a Marine to make room for another Widow Mine"
Man, that would really suck for the marine, getting abandoned for a machine.
I mean the value of a widowmine is a lot more than the value of a resoc’s life
I really like the analysis of this guy. It makes so much sense so much of the time and I actually understand StarCraft without playing it.
Btw, if I was a pro Terran, i would fight lurkers with ravens
Same, I never understand why a lot of Terrans don't get a raven and only rely on scan, I know scan is a lot more convenient but having a few ravens would help a lot aside from the detection
No denying counter: 99999 limit reached
I’m curious to know why all Zerg pros don’t use the overlord creep ability? Can you imagine a German taxi with queens that specifically drop creep tumours around? You’d have a lot of creep very fast!
You can't use overlord creep until Lair, and Queens are needed to defend in both the early and mid game. Pros do that but only in an all-in.
@ LowkoTV I think English may be your second language so let me help you out, 1:49 Dragon Phoenix Gaming does indeed have P not an F, have a nice day.
Havent watched the video yet, but i must say this is the best titel
Can someone explain this to me?
Everything I've read says that the queen has 2 attacks: Acid spines, and Claws. Claws is melee for ground units, and Acid spines is for air units... Yet, at 3:42 it shows the queen doing a ranged acid spine attack vs the Helions and the Reaper. But at 3:20 the queen does the claw melee attack on the reaper, and when the reaper gets out of range it doesn't do the acid spine attack. (I'm assuming this is because of the animation lingering long enough for the reaper to get out of range.)
My question is this: Does the queen not differentiate between air and ground anymore? And if so, does the queen just have a "minimum" range where she HAS to use the melee attack, and if she's outside of this range she'll do the ranged acid spines attack instead?
I've taken almost an 8 year gap away from SCII and I'm trying to get back into it.
I'm pretty sure they just change the animation of the ground attack depending on distance (because it looked ridiculous seeing the queen stretch her claws so far) - but the damage taken is still 'claws'.
Lowko you have a problem with Phoenix? How do you say phone?
Once again Lowko = me click
Special was using ravens vs Armani in code A the other day, so it happens!
Huh. Guess I'll need to check out that series
@Lowko it's Phoenix, not Fenix :)
28:55 It's like everyone decided ravens are bad manner unanimously. I'll never understand it. Is the potential loss of a single raven really that frightening... compared to having to consciously use precious APM to scan AND wasting energy?
Well Raven is slow compared to scan
@@galaksioyun2931 but if it escorts the army, or just a hit squad of creep deniers...
@@galaksioyun2931 But it can also do more than that like using that turret at least for those nydus
I like TvZ or PvZ... love to see those space bugs getting smash.
Also hate mirror matches, been T, P or Z.
for iconic purpose zvt is nice but I'm a protoss old main aka from when the defence buildings had much more tanky ness and could only be beaten by tanks and carriers so I have a bios for protoss versus anything
1:40 What?!
@LowkoTV you know what's even better? anything that's best of lower tier games. love the gold league heroes and the likes of those kind of games. your commentary is just so entertaining esp when you hit the cringe stuff. lol
I'd love to see a 4th race in a hypothetical starcraft 3. Another bio based race. Maybe like nature. Like they are pissed at all the races for messing up planets and stealing resources.
They tried 4 races with Warcraft 3 and it honestly had a lot of problems. They had less variety over 4 races than Starcraft does with three. A fourth race would likely lower the quality and diversity as they have to balance a new race. Even Blizzard admitted a fourth race was considered for SC2 but they couldn’t make it work without either breaking balance or lowering versatility.
Do they have a seperate hotkey for the healing ships? Also, how do you unload marines like along a line while the ship is moving?
Press D + click on the Medivac while it’s moving
It's actually phoenix, Lowko, but it is pronounced Fenix
Its also spelled fenix in allot countrys:)
@@saxorsaxofon88 that as well, I'm brazilian and here we say fenix, but on the DPG side, they use the Phoenix
Lol such a no Brainer with that poll... let's be honest, ZvT is literally the heart and soul of the Starcraft story... protoss were there too but... Jimmy and Kerrigan
26:12 nuke changes its mind?
I picked ZvT because as a toss player they are the two I know the least about so I always learn something
Lowko, is it just me, or your voice sounds kinda glitchy? Like a soundtrack with really low bitrate, around 32-64 kbit/s. Tested on different devices, and the problem still appears
Edit: it's not only ur voice, game sounds also sounds poor. Like that small clash at 8:36 made my ears sad :(
his auto-tune is glitching
Damn good show!
I'm a simple man. I see Lurkers, I like
Just call it Dragoon Fenix Gaming
It is Phoenix, Lowko. What are you talking about?
TvP won a poll on another channel recently. Hmm. Might be a channel to channel thing ?
Phoenix is the correct english spelling
BRO! ITS PHOENIX...
Asymmetric matchup with factions that aren't built around breaking fundamental RTS rules every other second.
I rly like tvt like alot of people say it's like chess. its alot of thinking and its very interesting
I love pour analysis of the game. Also, I'm a fellow nerd.
the way to defeat T nowadays is to go ling bane muta and take lots of base. going for roach never ends well at least against T
Lowko: "DPG for Dragon Phoenix Gaming bugs me because it sounds like an "F""
Also Lowko: "Gouda is pronounced Rrhwudaa, you uncultured people"
... You got to give that to dutch people. They might "physically" be close to Germany. But... Good cheese, some epic military failures, and an outstanding ability to complain, even when (especially when) they are wrong?
I'm calling it, their soul rest in France. Bienvenue mon ami !
Lowko Phoenix is the right thing check it.
I see nydus and lurkers i click
Great game
I voted Mirror, but I only really enjoy ZvZ, TvTs ok too, mechs always fun to watch... or the drop play...
But ZvZ just seems so intense... and I always was so terrible at it that watching it was always helpful
Phoenix. and PH makes the F sound hence DPG Dragon Phoenix Gaming
Raven tends to suicide in battles, and they cost so much gas. Q_Q
I haven't play sc2 in like 5 years damn man. hahah
I enjoy TvZ with Terran victory’s.