I really really appreciate you do a real test. You don't push it past 0%... No normal human wants to test that on a road trip. I don't care about battery buffers!!! I can only go by whats on display
You must be one of those people that either keep the tank always half full or as soon as the light comes you dart to a fueling station (nothing wrong with that). It is nice to know how much range you have once the “light” comes on or it goes beyond E which owners definitely will do including myself. I feel like that use case is more “average” than yours especially if you’re under 40 yrs old.
@@techups3082 I feel you for sure because stress free is the best policy when it comes road tripping. I do dislike, even in my GAS vehicle that the guess o meter is consistently awful. The “miles till empty” should include some type of explanation on calculation for every vehicle, ev or gas so people can hopefully make the decisions informatively As with gas, these problems won’t go away, with EV‘s even though you only need 110 outlet or a solar panel, these problems will still won’t probably go away.
I've got one in the same spec as Tom not too far away in Morris County, NJ and hoping we can work out a test together to have a standardized comparison. I'm very curious as well if the AWD will have as much less range as Chevy says since at 70mph, it should be running FWD only as well.
The wife and I are looking at a Chevy Equinox EV. The big question was range and FWD vs AWD. The FWD looks good to me for our use in MIchigan. We do not plan on any long range trips - per se. Out longest drive would be to our daughter's house which is about 170 miles south of us. This vehicle would make that easy. Thanks for your video.
If u buy any EV, get the trim that comes with the smallest and most narrow tire. It helps with the range a lot. The difference can be 10 to 15 percent, which can be up to 40 miles difference.
Real nice car, I have a model y and really enjoy the whole EV thing. Grew up watching Knight rider so to see my car drive by itself really puts a smile on my face.😅 Enjoy the Equinox in good health!
Thanks for the video! I recently drove from Phoenix AZ to Sedona AZ, it's a 290 mile round trip with about 4500 ft of elevation gain. I averaged 3.4 mi/kwh and would have made it on 1 charge. We decided to charge at an EA 350KW charger at 45%-66% SoC taking 11 min and charging at an average of 114kw. I've owned the EQEV since early July and love it!
Thanks for the channel. I have recently started to have intermittent issues with my NEMA 14-50 receptacle (50A Breaker) and BMW portable flex charging cord. It intermittently fails to charge. I did use low gauge extension cord for a while which I think was an issue. I have a similar set up (no extension) at my cottage and it works fine. I downrated the charging limit to 32A and that helped. But the other day I had to slow charge on 10A for a few hours and switched back. Which leads me to think there is a surge draw that is somehow causing a problem in the cord. Oddly the cord did not show any faults, the car just stalled at the handshake and would not charge. Anyway, your channel has helped me understand how my battery, onboard charger, flexcharge cord, public level 2 'chargers', DC chargers and my battery all work and interact. This allowed me to properly troubleshoot the issue. I was quickly able to determine that the battery and onboard charger were not likely a problem. And although the flexcharge cord was ultimately a big part of the issue, it was not the main problem. All of this is to say that it might be really helpful for you to do some troubleshooting videos on home charging. It could be helpful for people to know that (like in my case) they can fix their problem by calling a proper electrician, or maybe need a new cord, vs issues that point to bigger problems either in their onboard charger or battery itself.
Thanks for doing this Tom! This is about what I expected from your test loop. I also measured a higher than advertised capacity 90kWh. When I was doing my first charge sessions and range tests.
Thank you for this! Ouf, we ordered one and will be taking delivery in the next few weeks…glad to see that it delivers on the promise. I know some will say “what ever” but for us, drivers of a 1 Ton Diesel Truck, this will be our new “go to…” everywhere car! Great videos as always. Remi, Canada!🇨🇦
I like your range test you do a good and accurate account of all that's going on with the test keep up the good work much appreciated for all the work you do on these test
Nice video, We lease a 2LT 2 weeks ago, so far so good, 2023 Colorado also show low when the gaz thank is near empty... so you go from 50 km of range to low in a heart beat.
Thanks Tom. Going to trust your reaults. Next month we are doing a 250 mile rt to my brother in laws place south of Tampa. Couldn’t do that without charging my Bolt but the Equinox should handle it with ease. We did a 240 mile rt a couple of weeks ago but plugged in at the turn around just to see what the car would do on a 125 kw evse. Pulled a bit over 100 kw for a tiny amount of time but still charged much better than our old Bolt. Anxious to see your 350 kw session. We have the same car except ours is grey.
No EV for me. The waiting times to find an available charger and uncertainty of functioning chargers would drive me nuts. We love our 2023 Outlander PHEV. Drive about 80% on EV mode. When want to drive the 800 miles to visit our son just one quick stop for gas. Great video and impressed with Equinox
When the weather turns cold and snowy, it would be interesting to see what a 70 mph range test looks like and also would be interesting to see how well the Equinox front wheel drive does in actual snow.
Good Luck! We had a 3LT FWD for 1,600 miles. Too many quirks. Thought the software needs improvement but they don’t offer over the air updates. My wife hated not having CarPlay. Too many menus to go through to get to her Apple Music folders on her phone. We got rid of it for a Mach e Select and think it is so much better but admittedly, it gets less range. The software on the Mach e is so much better.
Great video by the one and only TommyMo. Motto: "my bladder suffers so you don't have to." Very impressed by the range but that 213HP doesn't get there for me. As you're aware, the 2023 Bolt(my car) has 200 hp, and it has to weigh a lot less(and I don't need the extra capacity.) But that SC 2.0 looks sharp. Gimme the 2025 Bolt.
Great video of a real-world range test on a Chevy. I will look forward to what a future Chevy Bolt will do. I would be curious how FWD EVs would fair in the NJ winter (range and traction). I don’t recall many EVs in FWD format, most are RWD. Equinox’s range is comparable to a Model Y LR. I am glad you showed the issues with public charging. Every EV has different charge curves and every driver has different range anxieties. Those two factors alone + always expecting an EA site to have 1-2 chargers out of service created those waits. In the 2nd part of the video, Tom charged at EA East Brunswick. I only know of two North/Central NJ EA sites (other at Jersey Gardens, both are 15 @ 150KW, 4 @ 350KW) that have more than 4 DC Fast Chargers. Last year, I rented a Polestar 2, and waited too at that 19 DC charging station. I talked to a driver with a great lease deal on an Audi E-Tron with one-year complimentary EA charging, but I wasn’t sure that a 2-hour waiting/charging time would give her a positive experience on EVs. At least I can say people are more willing to socialize at an EA than Supercharger unless you have a Cybertruck. Looking at Tom’s charge, Equinox pulled 0-25% S.O.C. in 16 minutes and reached 44% in 27 minutes. Last summer, I rented a Chevy Bolt, and felt like it took forever to charge. I just looked at a RUclips video of an EV6 charging at EA 150kw from 20% to 90% with an estimated time of 27 minutes. You wonder how many cars (with different charging curves) can charge to a decent SOC per hour at EA, like 1 or 2 vehicles. If EA was used for daily charging, it feels like a ripoff at $43.48 for 0% to 100% with a range of 300 miles. It doesn’t feel like a good argument without home charging that public charging will save you any money or time toward the cost of ownership of an EV if you have those big commutes. Tom’s inquiry into the battery size is interesting because maybe GM installed a bigger battery pack slated in 2025 Equinox and put these in late 2024 models. They might eventually software lock it in the future. Also, if the charging loss was about 15% for thermal management that seems really high. I can’t speak of supercharging, but at Level 2 - 6.6kw stations, I saw Teslas lose 4%-10% of charging efficiency.
I’d love to see a video if you can make when you first pull up how to work the Electrify America chargers or ChargePoint the steps we have to do. I’ve never charged on a DC fast charger yet thanks Tom great video
I was excited to test drive this vehicle. Coming from a Bolt EUV, it meets many of my expectations for what I was looking for in an upgrade. Ultimately, the deal breaker for me was the lack of storage space behind the 2nd row (coupled with the lack of frunk). I really think GM missed the mark by creating multiple EVs of the same size (Equinox/Blazer/Lyriq). They needed to do a more affordable 3rd row SUV (a la Traverse) instead of the Blazer.
The video I have been waiting for, thanks for posting and i look forward to you charging curves testing. I have the 2LT and on a 145 mile stretch of my road trip in July I averaged 3.3 MI/KWH. The reason the EPA range is the the same for both wheel the 19" and 21" wheels is the OD is the same. The 19" just uses a taller tire. Although GM states its an 85KWH pack it has 10 modules which they rate at 8.88KWH each which puts the actual pack size at 88.8 On the DC fast charging as you will or have seen the Ulltium packs do hit their thermal limits after about 20 minutes an a 500A output charger. This is due to the high amperage/low voltage pack situation. I try to keep my sessions within this time frame and it works great for my road trips. The charger dispensed KWH is higher than the pack which represents the though put losses associated with the higher amperage/low voltage. The easiest way to keep the car on when you exit the vehicle is to use the onscreen button to keep the display and AC on. I learned how to correct this quickly when the wife was sitting in the car and the AC shut off as I exited the vehicle.
Great test results Tom! I like that all black Equinox looks. Tom have you ever considered using a battery and bms monitor app like Bjorn uses with his 1000km test? It shows the actual battery pack size, temperature, voltage etc.
If gm is rating this after initial degradation, that's good. Kia builds that in the range and doesn't change. Tesla, iirc, gives you the original range and degrades noticeably in the first year. Which, is misleading. If the equinox is like the bolt, there is no buffer. And they probably rated it on the worst case config, so the smaller tire config should be somewhat better.
Thank you Tom, I appreciate your knowledge and the education you provide helps a lot of people such as myself to better understand E.V. cars. They are certainly different from their ICE counterparts. I just recently purchased one and I am extremely happy with it and all of it's offerings. Keep up the good work. One of my most favorite channels for sure!
Wow! I had no idea there were that many EVs on the road to where they fill that many chargers and still have a long line! Whew! That's insane! I am glad I rarely ever use fast chargers.
Tom, what a great range for the Equinox EV. Too bad GM does not have access to the Tesla supercharger network, or a magic dock station is close to charge up some more ev drivers. A few high power levels two EVSE'S would help, too.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Hopefully it's soon soon, and not a corporate soon which means no one really knows for sure and can be another 8+ months.
Your method of range testing is more useful than Out of Specs in my opinion. The miles driven when the display hits 0% battery and 0 zero range is the most dependable one
Unfortunately with the lack of car play, my bolt is the gm car for now. Otherwise, this would have been tempting. On a different note, I wish automakers epa mileage would be based on charging up to 80%
If you were ever interested in a Tesla, it’s possible to have CarPlay in the Tesla built in center screen via “Tesla Android project” or via screens instilled behind the steering wheel. I have both options and use the Tesla Android project solution 100% of the time.
The Google infotainment in the new Chevrolets are better than any Apple CarPlay I’ve ever used and that includes Google maps. You’re probably just used to Apple’s system but it’s not superior.
@@G-Rated I shouldn't have to pay for a data plan on my car when apple and google already have a solid answer to this through our phones. Which also lets me take calls and reply to messages within the same system. I also use apps that will never come to android auto. It really doesn't matter to me that on screen experience has improved over the years.
As for energy stored in the battery, Car Scanner Elm Obd2 app displays battery energy (kWh) in all Ultium EVs (as well as battery temperature, % SOC etc).
Sounds like they should put more plugs in the DCFCs there. Went on a trip from NW Wisconsin where I live to Chicago a few weeks ago and it wasn’t a problem getting right into a plug every time.
You might want to try a 60-62 mph range test and a 2-3 trailer length draft of box trucks (often limited to 60-62mph). I found a 30-50% range boost for a 10-15% added driving time most effective when long distance driving my Chevy Bolt EV. The longer distance following the truck reveals a surprise second draft zone. 2-3 trailer length behind a box truck. Doesn't work so good with tankers. Can add 50%+ range boost. The upclose draft is even better but too dangerous.
255/40/21 tires are slightly small diameter than 235/55/19 tires. 255 is millimetres width of the tire about 10 inches. 255/25.4 =10.03 inches times by 40% sidewall height is 4 inches times two (top and bottom sidewall height) plus 21 inch rim size is 29.03 inches. 235/55/19 is 235/25.4= 9.25 times 55% is 5.08 times 2 10.16 inches plus 19 inches is 29.16 inch tire diameter. The 19 inch wheels have tires that go every 200 miles about 1/8th of a mile further as nd have less patch resistance and less tire weight which adds very little bit a little bit of difference.
Thanks, Tom. It appears that GM might have programmed the Equinox EV's Range Estimator similar to the Bolt EV's, which I've observed to become more conservative the lower in the SOC you get. Essentially, under nearly identical driving conditions, I might only see 50 miles from 100% to 75% while I see 60 miles from 25% to 0%. This could simply be baked into the to programming in order to compensate for increased heat/resistance losses as the battery pack voltage decreases, but either way, it's still a conservative algorithm.
I was dispensed 67.93kWh on a Blazer EV 10-80% charge test (40 minutes on EA 350kW/500A Signet). That comes out to around 97 kWh dispensed for a 0-100% charge! 🤷🏼♂️
Which Blazer EV do you have? The RWD comes with the same 100 kWh battery as the Cadillac LYRIQ. Also, you can expect a minimum of ~6%-8% losses from DCFC charging, not counting energy for battery and cabin conditioning.
Great test, Tom! Interesting to see that you kept good notes adjacent to your inadvertent resets when powering down the car, since a do over on a 300 mile test could cost you a few hours, so kudos to you. This may come out of your MY comparison, but would like to know if this car could deliver closer to 4.0 miles/kwh at slower local speeds that a daily driver would encounter. Approaching 360 miles of range (4.0 x 90) would make this a good replacement for a lot of ICE cars, and once a week charging (for those who don’t have at home charging) just might be the ticket to get them into an EV.
My 2017 Bolt gets 3.8-4.0 Whkph at 68mph her in Southern California. One thing's an added bonus too is that when the AC is on it has no effect on the range. Considering that you're at 3.4 wkwph, it's pretty impressive for the size of the equinox. Let us know how you do in the winter time. Hopefully Chevrolet put in a heat pump instead of radiant like I have in my bolt.
This car is on our short list. We may go for a hybrid just to allow the technology to mature another few years. But, we are seriously considering an EV and this is in our top five. The charging time for this model gives us pause, but it's good enough. Our niece has an old model Bolt which has terrible charging times-relative to other EVs-and ... it's good enough.
Good info! Try charging on a Tesla charger with your A2Z. Tonight I saw pics on a Silverado EV charging on a non Magic Dock 250 Tesla charger. They may be working under the radar right now for Chevy
I’m a proud Lyriq owner. GM is making big moves. I say in the Equinox EV in NYIAS. Definitely too small for my needs, but a decent enough Model 3 competitor.
@@doomsday9973 I test drove both, I still like the Equinox over the model Y. Much smoother driver around town and on the highway. I seem to feel that Tesla is generally over-praised for too many things It's really not good at.
Have an 2RS. I am seeing the same thing in terms of battery size. My calcs come in between 96-99 kWh charge added from my smart charger. My smart electrical panel also gives similar numbers. My GOM says 353 miles
I agree with not rolling around at slow speeds until it dies, however you have the equipment to improve the test. Bring the f150 along and drive the tested vehicle until it cannot maintain 70mph then top off with the f150 afterwards. Would be a more accurate and fair way to test it since all manufacturers have different buffers.
I just want to say “Thank you Tom.” My model 3 SR+ got totaled last week and this video sealed the deal for my wanting to lease an FWD Equinox EV. Now I just have to find a dealership willing to pass on the tax credit on a lease. So far the dealers in central Illinois that I’ve talked to have all said that you lose the tax credit when you lease
I think the extra energy delivered charging went to the ac unit to cool the charging components, so it makes sense that it takes more at 350kW. I just got a Kia EV9 instead of this and charged at 215kW today and heard the ac going full force while charging while I was sitting outside on nearby benches.
I just got back from a trip to Georgia, total distance driven was 765 miles, my experience was better than yours basically because my total trip was not at a constant 70mph. But very similar experience. Every time I have calculated my battery capacity it comes out between 89 and 91 kWh.
Love your Information always thank you very much. I would like to comment that the temperatures you operated in as you know maybe even better than ideal so keeping that in mind we have to be expecting that sometimes the range would be less based on cooler temperatures of course …however, I very much Enjoy your test and thank you very much.
Great job! Equinox EV is probably our next vehicle but we'll go with the AWD version because it is quicker and my wife refuses to get one without AWD. We'll be fine with a bit lower range.
Some rough weight data on the wheel/tire combos. The 19" option, the packaged wheel weight is 34.98lbs, the tire used is 32lbs (245/55R19 Michelin Primacy AS). The 21" option, wheel packaged weight is 37.24lbs, tire is 37lbs (275/40R21 Continental CrossContact RX). So approximately 65lbs for the 19" per corner, 72lbs per corner for the 21" (assuming a 2lbs subtraction for the box weight for those wheel weights I posted). The tire diameters are within 1/10th of an inch (29.6" for the 245/55R19, 29.7" for the 275/40R21).
Great video as always. In the few road trips I have on my AWD Equinox, I'm guessing around 270mi for the AWD version. I drive "supercruisin" at 70mph. I average right at 3.0 mi/kwh and I'm also guessing 90 kwh is a better guess for battery size. Several people online have noted the slightly larger battery than specs.
Regarding tire size on the different trims. The stock 21 inch wheel is 1.7% larger in circumference and 17% wider. I would think tire width has more effect than wheel size for rolling resistence . The narrower sidewall in the 21 would be stiffer and better for rolling resistence than the thicker sidewalk in the 19 inch. For snow tires, I put 18 inch wheels with narrower width but larger sidewall to match my 20 inch wheels circumfrence and didn't see a difference but my alloy wlheels were about half the weight of the kia OEM 19 inch wheels. (the 18 inch tires were somewhat cheaper😂)
Just for reference, based on the 24-module pack having 213 kWh usable and the 12-module pack having 106+ kWh, the Equinox EV should have 88-89 kWh usable, so your outcome is a little high, but well within expected standard deviation for pack capacities.
I recognize that charging station in E. Brunswick, NJ. It's absolutely one of the worst. The biggest issue I have is people charging their cars to 100%, which just exacerbates the wait time.
How about a Kyle Connor style 10% challenge? 10% charge state, charge 15 minutes and drive back down to 10%. This test is more charge dependent than range dependent. Personally, when on long trips, I stop for a short walk and bio break about every 2 hours (+- 30 minutes), so I try to figure out how long I would need to charge to get to my next bio break.
My Lyriq greatly exceeds the EPA range under normal driving. Under very severe conditions it is still much better than the Model Y I had which under windy conditions was a disaster of efficiency. Seems GM has a secret sauce of some kind
I think *gm* rates at the worst case scenario for accuracy over the long run. I think their EVs are built to last instead of just being great EVs fresh out of the box like some other manufacturers who have put all their eggs in the initial quality basket and hoping customers will be trading them in soon before the degradation hits them.
You do a good job with consistent testing. However, we're retired and spend very little time on highways, using mostly low speed local roads. However, I need to know the distance in inches from the ground to the edge of the front seats? I've got a passenger that needs a higher seat. 24" is too low
Another insightful and valuable test, Tom! One factor that could distinguish the GM vehicles from glass-roofed competitors is cabin temperature in sunny or warmer conditions. This is a year-round issue for many of us in the Sunbelt. What’s been your experience thus far?
I feel comfort and efficiency of using the AC with EVs is a higher temperature setting along with a higher fan setting. Especially after preconditioning. This is really no different than using a ceiling fan in a room.
Just leased one Friday (10/11). One of the first things I looked for was how to get the efficiency on the driver's display. I see what you mean about reseting every time. I guess one could use a trip odometer to get a reading on a "complete tank" though?
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney gotcha... yeah shows 3.9m/kWh but not the total kWh used. Too bad, that would've been nice...not like there's not enough room on the screen 😅
GM would not let us order an Equinox. They demanded we turn in our leased Bolt-wouldn’t even sell it to us. We bought a model Y. Only EV we could get 20 months ago here in southeast Michigan. I wanted an Equinox. Wth GM?
I have the Equinox RS AWD and very happy with the range. I only charge to 75% for most weeks but did charge up to 90 to 100 for a few trips in Michigan. DC fast charging was nice coming from a Bolt EUV and I was never in a hurry so time was unimportant. But it is hard to drive at 70 mph as the speed limit on norther I75 is 75mph. Hence I drive at at 73 to 75 mph and would like to know if this higher speed makes much difference. Any thoughts
GM EVs, like eGMP EVs, get considerably better than their EPA stated efficiency. My EV6 AWD easily exceeds 320 miles in normal driving, rated at 264. Also, my efficiency drops over 90F. In mild weather I average 4.3-4.5MPK. On very hot days, it struggles to get to 4MPK, just a bit better than my winter efficiency.
That’s pretty good, but what is keeping me from buying one is the charging time that you did on another video. Do you think that the charging time would be a software update or you just have to live with it until Chevy gets a better battery pack? Your thoughts.
It's not FWD or RWD specifically, it's the F/R balance. One of the worst cars I ever had in the snow was a FWD Dodge 024 (fastback version of the Omni). Just horrible. My rear drive station wagon that I had at that time was my snow car. So to answer your question, if the FWD Equinox has a 50/50 give or take distribution, it will be terrible in snow. If it's 65/35, it will have excellent traction. But my personal opinion is that if you see snow - spend the money for the AWD version.
I have to tell you that is just one sharp looking EV and looks better than most others, regardless of price!
I agree, saw one in person the other day at the grocery store
Saw one in white while I was stuck in traffic. It looked fantastic.
Someone on my college campus owns a red one. ✨Stunning ✨
I haven't seen one in person but my wife said the same thing, need to go out find one in the wild now.
It’s the black on black on black.
I agree with you Tom. It’s a 70mph range test, & when the car can no longer maintain 70mph, the test is over.
I really really appreciate you do a real test. You don't push it past 0%... No normal human wants to test that on a road trip. I don't care about battery buffers!!! I can only go by whats on display
Buffer gives you idea on padding for degradation but yeah wouldn’t use it
You must be one of those people that either keep the tank always half full or as soon as the light comes you dart to a fueling station (nothing wrong with that). It is nice to know how much range you have once the “light” comes on or it goes beyond E which owners definitely will do including myself. I feel like that use case is more “average” than yours especially if you’re under 40 yrs old.
@@NoHarmDunn I appreciate the othering
@@techups3082 I feel you for sure because stress free is the best policy when it comes road tripping. I do dislike, even in my GAS vehicle that the guess o meter is consistently awful. The “miles till empty” should include some type of explanation on calculation for every vehicle, ev or gas so people can hopefully make the decisions informatively
As with gas, these problems won’t go away, with EV‘s even though you only need 110 outlet or a solar panel, these problems will still won’t probably go away.
Let me introduce you to OOS Kyle Conner... LOL!
For sure interested in the AWD Equinox as that's the one I'm interested in. Good job Chevy.
I've got one in the same spec as Tom not too far away in Morris County, NJ and hoping we can work out a test together to have a standardized comparison. I'm very curious as well if the AWD will have as much less range as Chevy says since at 70mph, it should be running FWD only as well.
The wife and I are looking at a Chevy Equinox EV. The big question was range and FWD vs AWD. The FWD looks good to me for our use in MIchigan. We do not plan on any long range trips - per se. Out longest drive would be to our daughter's house which is about 170 miles south of us. This vehicle would make that easy. Thanks for your video.
If u buy any EV, get the trim that comes with the smallest and most narrow tire. It helps with the range a lot. The difference can be 10 to 15 percent, which can be up to 40 miles difference.
We just leased one a week ago... love it so far.....
Real nice car, I have a model y and really enjoy the whole EV thing. Grew up watching Knight rider so to see my car drive by itself really puts a smile on my face.😅 Enjoy the Equinox in good health!
Thanks for the video! I recently drove from Phoenix AZ to Sedona AZ, it's a 290 mile round trip with about 4500 ft of elevation gain. I averaged 3.4 mi/kwh and would have made it on 1 charge. We decided to charge at an EA 350KW charger at 45%-66% SoC taking 11 min and charging at an average of 114kw. I've owned the EQEV since early July and love it!
EQEV = Equinox EV?
It looks really nice in black, very nice range. Thanks again Tom!
I am 100% in love with that the (All "New") Equinox. Tom, your testing and breakdown of information are hands down the best in the industry.
Thanks for the channel. I have recently started to have intermittent issues with my NEMA 14-50 receptacle (50A Breaker) and BMW portable flex charging cord. It intermittently fails to charge. I did use low gauge extension cord for a while which I think was an issue. I have a similar set up (no extension) at my cottage and it works fine. I downrated the charging limit to 32A and that helped. But the other day I had to slow charge on 10A for a few hours and switched back. Which leads me to think there is a surge draw that is somehow causing a problem in the cord. Oddly the cord did not show any faults, the car just stalled at the handshake and would not charge. Anyway, your channel has helped me understand how my battery, onboard charger, flexcharge cord, public level 2 'chargers', DC chargers and my battery all work and interact. This allowed me to properly troubleshoot the issue. I was quickly able to determine that the battery and onboard charger were not likely a problem. And although the flexcharge cord was ultimately a big part of the issue, it was not the main problem. All of this is to say that it might be really helpful for you to do some troubleshooting videos on home charging. It could be helpful for people to know that (like in my case) they can fix their problem by calling a proper electrician, or maybe need a new cord, vs issues that point to bigger problems either in their onboard charger or battery itself.
Thanks for doing this Tom! This is about what I expected from your test loop.
I also measured a higher than advertised capacity 90kWh. When I was doing my first charge sessions and range tests.
Nice vehicle and good work Tom! I got 2 years ago a Chevy Bolt EUV, still running like a champ, not reason to replace it!
Thanks for doing these real life tests.
Thank you for this! Ouf, we ordered one and will be taking delivery in the next few weeks…glad to see that it delivers on the promise. I know some will say “what ever” but for us, drivers of a 1 Ton Diesel Truck, this will be our new “go to…” everywhere car! Great videos as always. Remi, Canada!🇨🇦
I like your range test you do a good and accurate account of all that's going on with the test keep up the good work much appreciated for all the work you do on these test
Ahhh. Bridgewater Promenade. Guess you are a somerset county local like myself. 😉 thanks for the great content.
My mom just drove hers from Michigan to Florida. It did better than we expected!
Another fantastic State Of Charge episode!
Nice video, We lease a 2LT 2 weeks ago, so far so good, 2023 Colorado also show low when the gaz thank is near empty... so you go from 50 km of range to low in a heart beat.
Thanks Tom. Going to trust your reaults. Next month we are doing a 250 mile rt to my brother in laws place south of Tampa. Couldn’t do that without charging my Bolt but the Equinox should handle it with ease. We did a 240 mile rt a couple of weeks ago but plugged in at the turn around just to see what the car would do on a 125 kw evse. Pulled a bit over 100 kw for a tiny amount of time but still charged much better than our old Bolt. Anxious to see your 350 kw session. We have the same car except ours is grey.
Keep it at 70 mph and you'll make it without issue. You really lose range quickly above 70-75mph
No EV for me. The waiting times to find an available charger and uncertainty of functioning chargers would drive me nuts. We love our 2023 Outlander PHEV. Drive about 80% on EV mode. When want to drive the 800 miles to visit our son just one quick stop for gas. Great video and impressed with Equinox
When the weather turns cold and snowy, it would be interesting to see what a 70 mph range test looks like and also would be interesting to see how well the Equinox front wheel drive does in actual snow.
Appreciate the real time , real live trip thanks for sharing 😊
Thanks for the good information Tom.
Thanks for doing this test. The information is very valuable.
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Another good video, Tom! Love Smuggler's Blues. I'm curious why GM chose to make these front-wheel-drive instead of rear-wheel-drive.
what a nice looking vehicle
Great price and test result
Good Luck! We had a 3LT FWD for 1,600 miles. Too many quirks. Thought the software needs improvement but they don’t offer over the air updates. My wife hated not having CarPlay. Too many menus to go through to get to her Apple Music folders on her phone. We got rid of it for a Mach e Select and think it is so much better but admittedly, it gets less range. The software on the Mach e is so much better.
Great video by the one and only TommyMo. Motto: "my bladder suffers so you don't have to." Very impressed by the range but that 213HP doesn't get there for me. As you're aware, the 2023 Bolt(my car) has 200 hp, and it has to weigh a lot less(and I don't need the extra capacity.) But that SC 2.0 looks sharp. Gimme the 2025 Bolt.
I’ve seen some dyno tests on Bolts where they say HP on a Bolt is more like 220-235.
Great video of a real-world range test on a Chevy. I will look forward to what a future Chevy Bolt will do. I would be curious how FWD EVs would fair in the NJ winter (range and traction). I don’t recall many EVs in FWD format, most are RWD.
Equinox’s range is comparable to a Model Y LR. I am glad you showed the issues with public charging. Every EV has different charge curves and every driver has different range anxieties. Those two factors alone + always expecting an EA site to have 1-2 chargers out of service created those waits.
In the 2nd part of the video, Tom charged at EA East Brunswick. I only know of two North/Central NJ EA sites (other at Jersey Gardens, both are 15 @ 150KW, 4 @ 350KW) that have more than 4 DC Fast Chargers. Last year, I rented a Polestar 2, and waited too at that 19 DC charging station. I talked to a driver with a great lease deal on an Audi E-Tron with one-year complimentary EA charging, but I wasn’t sure that a 2-hour waiting/charging time would give her a positive experience on EVs. At least I can say people are more willing to socialize at an EA than Supercharger unless you have a Cybertruck.
Looking at Tom’s charge, Equinox pulled 0-25% S.O.C. in 16 minutes and reached 44% in 27 minutes. Last summer, I rented a Chevy Bolt, and felt like it took forever to charge. I just looked at a RUclips video of an EV6 charging at EA 150kw from 20% to 90% with an estimated time of 27 minutes. You wonder how many cars (with different charging curves) can charge to a decent SOC per hour at EA, like 1 or 2 vehicles.
If EA was used for daily charging, it feels like a ripoff at $43.48 for 0% to 100% with a range of 300 miles. It doesn’t feel like a good argument without home charging that public charging will save you any money or time toward the cost of ownership of an EV if you have those big commutes.
Tom’s inquiry into the battery size is interesting because maybe GM installed a bigger battery pack slated in 2025 Equinox and put these in late 2024 models. They might eventually software lock it in the future. Also, if the charging loss was about 15% for thermal management that seems really high. I can’t speak of supercharging, but at Level 2 - 6.6kw stations, I saw Teslas lose 4%-10% of charging efficiency.
I’d love to see a video if you can make when you first pull up how to work the Electrify America chargers or ChargePoint the steps we have to do. I’ve never charged on a DC fast charger yet thanks Tom great video
Wish I had known more before buying my 24 equinox RS2. Only because I would have loved the super cruise. Didn’t know it came with it 😮
I was excited to test drive this vehicle. Coming from a Bolt EUV, it meets many of my expectations for what I was looking for in an upgrade. Ultimately, the deal breaker for me was the lack of storage space behind the 2nd row (coupled with the lack of frunk). I really think GM missed the mark by creating multiple EVs of the same size (Equinox/Blazer/Lyriq). They needed to do a more affordable 3rd row SUV (a la Traverse) instead of the Blazer.
The video I have been waiting for, thanks for posting and i look forward to you charging curves testing.
I have the 2LT and on a 145 mile stretch of my road trip in July I averaged 3.3 MI/KWH. The reason the EPA range is the the same for both wheel the 19" and 21" wheels is the OD is the same. The 19" just uses a taller tire.
Although GM states its an 85KWH pack it has 10 modules which they rate at 8.88KWH each which puts the actual pack size at 88.8
On the DC fast charging as you will or have seen the Ulltium packs do hit their thermal limits after about 20 minutes an a 500A output charger. This is due to the high amperage/low voltage pack situation. I try to keep my sessions within this time frame and it works great for my road trips.
The charger dispensed KWH is higher than the pack which represents the though put losses associated with the higher amperage/low voltage.
The easiest way to keep the car on when you exit the vehicle is to use the onscreen button to keep the display and AC on. I learned how to correct this quickly when the wife was sitting in the car and the AC shut off as I exited the vehicle.
Great test results Tom! I like that all black Equinox looks. Tom have you ever considered using a battery and bms monitor app like Bjorn uses with his 1000km test? It shows the actual battery pack size, temperature, voltage etc.
If gm is rating this after initial degradation, that's good. Kia builds that in the range and doesn't change. Tesla, iirc, gives you the original range and degrades noticeably in the first year. Which, is misleading.
If the equinox is like the bolt, there is no buffer. And they probably rated it on the worst case config, so the smaller tire config should be somewhat better.
Thank you Tom, I appreciate your knowledge and the education you provide helps a lot of people such as myself to better understand E.V. cars. They are certainly different from their ICE counterparts. I just recently purchased one and I am extremely happy with it and all of it's offerings. Keep up the good work. One of my most favorite channels for sure!
Wow! I had no idea there were that many EVs on the road to where they fill that many chargers and still have a long line! Whew! That's insane! I am glad I rarely ever use fast chargers.
Tom, what a great range for the Equinox EV. Too bad GM does not have access to the Tesla supercharger network, or a magic dock station is close to charge up some more ev drivers. A few high power levels two EVSE'S would help, too.
They will soon
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Hopefully it's soon soon, and not a corporate soon which means no one really knows for sure and can be another 8+ months.
Elon may have reneged on his agreements. . @@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@@jeffs6090 It's Tesla soon. LOL
@@jeffs6090 could be never and I would not be surprised.
Also-- a good idea would be to try a Tesla Supercharger(magicdock)..I've gotten consistently good results on Tesla
Your method of range testing is more useful than Out of Specs in my opinion. The miles driven when the display hits 0% battery and 0 zero range is the most dependable one
Great result, sorry to see you got stuck in a charger conga line!
Great show. Your honest testing is what people like. 👍
Thank you for the report.
Holy cow, that baby goes far! Thanks, Tom!
Unfortunately with the lack of car play, my bolt is the gm car for now. Otherwise, this would have been tempting.
On a different note, I wish automakers epa mileage would be based on charging up to 80%
If you were ever interested in a Tesla, it’s possible to have CarPlay in the Tesla built in center screen via “Tesla Android project” or via screens instilled behind the steering wheel. I have both options and use the Tesla Android project solution 100% of the time.
The Google infotainment in the new Chevrolets are better than any Apple CarPlay I’ve ever used and that includes Google maps. You’re probably just used to Apple’s system but it’s not superior.
@@G-Rated I shouldn't have to pay for a data plan on my car when apple and google already have a solid answer to this through our phones. Which also lets me take calls and reply to messages within the same system. I also use apps that will never come to android auto. It really doesn't matter to me that on screen experience has improved over the years.
As for energy stored in the battery, Car Scanner Elm Obd2 app displays battery energy (kWh) in all Ultium EVs (as well as battery temperature, % SOC etc).
Great result for a solid and affordable EV!
Sounds like they should put more plugs in the DCFCs there. Went on a trip from NW Wisconsin where I live to Chicago a few weeks ago and it wasn’t a problem getting right into a plug every time.
You might want to try a 60-62 mph range test and a 2-3 trailer length draft of box trucks (often limited to 60-62mph). I found a 30-50% range boost for a 10-15% added driving time most effective when long distance driving my Chevy Bolt EV.
The longer distance following the truck reveals a surprise second draft zone. 2-3 trailer length behind a box truck. Doesn't work so good with tankers. Can add 50%+ range boost. The upclose draft is even better but too dangerous.
255/40/21 tires are slightly small diameter than 235/55/19 tires.
255 is millimetres width of the tire about 10 inches. 255/25.4 =10.03 inches times by 40% sidewall height is 4 inches times two (top and bottom sidewall height) plus 21 inch rim size is 29.03 inches.
235/55/19 is 235/25.4= 9.25 times 55% is 5.08 times 2 10.16 inches plus 19 inches is 29.16 inch tire diameter.
The 19 inch wheels have tires that go every 200 miles about 1/8th of a mile further as nd have less patch resistance and less tire weight which adds very little bit a little bit of difference.
Really interested in this car but not excited about the home charging problems
Thanks, Tom. It appears that GM might have programmed the Equinox EV's Range Estimator similar to the Bolt EV's, which I've observed to become more conservative the lower in the SOC you get. Essentially, under nearly identical driving conditions, I might only see 50 miles from 100% to 75% while I see 60 miles from 25% to 0%. This could simply be baked into the to programming in order to compensate for increased heat/resistance losses as the battery pack voltage decreases, but either way, it's still a conservative algorithm.
I was dispensed 67.93kWh on a Blazer EV 10-80% charge test (40 minutes on EA 350kW/500A Signet). That comes out to around 97 kWh dispensed for a 0-100% charge! 🤷🏼♂️
There will be some charging losses in there as well. Factor 10 to 15% charging losses. Which makes much more sense.
Which Blazer EV do you have? The RWD comes with the same 100 kWh battery as the Cadillac LYRIQ. Also, you can expect a minimum of ~6%-8% losses from DCFC charging, not counting energy for battery and cabin conditioning.
Great test, Tom! Interesting to see that you kept good notes adjacent to your inadvertent resets when powering down the car, since a do over on a 300 mile test could cost you a few hours, so kudos to you. This may come out of your MY comparison, but would like to know if this car could deliver closer to 4.0 miles/kwh at slower local speeds that a daily driver would encounter. Approaching 360 miles of range (4.0 x 90) would make this a good replacement for a lot of ICE cars, and once a week charging (for those who don’t have at home charging) just might be the ticket to get them into an EV.
My 2017 Bolt gets 3.8-4.0 Whkph at 68mph her in Southern California. One thing's an added bonus too is that when the AC is on it has no effect on the range. Considering that you're at 3.4 wkwph, it's pretty impressive for the size of the equinox. Let us know how you do in the winter time. Hopefully Chevrolet put in a heat pump instead of radiant like I have in my bolt.
Great test, thanks for doing it
This car is on our short list. We may go for a hybrid just to allow the technology to mature another few years. But, we are seriously considering an EV and this is in our top five. The charging time for this model gives us pause, but it's good enough. Our niece has an old model Bolt which has terrible charging times-relative to other EVs-and ... it's good enough.
Good info! Try charging on a Tesla charger with your A2Z. Tonight I saw pics on a Silverado EV charging on a non Magic Dock 250 Tesla charger. They may be working under the radar right now for Chevy
I’m a proud Lyriq owner.
GM is making big moves.
I say in the Equinox EV in NYIAS. Definitely too small for my needs, but a decent enough Model 3 competitor.
The Y is more of a direct competitor. They are nearly the same size
Buying an Equinox, Ionic 5, or a Model Y in the near future. Leaning towards the Y but I really hate to give that moronmusk any money.
@@rustyshackle917same here but Tesla is way ahead of competitors
@@rustyshackle917who cares what a CEO of a company thinks? He will be insanely rich whether you buy a Tesla or not
@@doomsday9973 I test drove both, I still like the Equinox over the model Y. Much smoother driver around town and on the highway. I seem to feel that Tesla is generally over-praised for too many things It's really not good at.
The station location you were in were older version stations, EA started to upgrad the stations to only 350 chargers only.
Have an 2RS. I am seeing the same thing in terms of battery size. My calcs come in between 96-99 kWh charge added from my smart charger. My smart electrical panel also gives similar numbers. My GOM says 353 miles
I agree with not rolling around at slow speeds until it dies, however you have the equipment to improve the test. Bring the f150 along and drive the tested vehicle until it cannot maintain 70mph then top off with the f150 afterwards. Would be a more accurate and fair way to test it since all manufacturers have different buffers.
I just want to say “Thank you Tom.” My model 3 SR+ got totaled last week and this video sealed the deal for my wanting to lease an FWD Equinox EV.
Now I just have to find a dealership willing to pass on the tax credit on a lease. So far the dealers in central Illinois that I’ve talked to have all said that you lose the tax credit when you lease
Great video 👍, what do you like and what you don’t like in that vehicle?
I think the extra energy delivered charging went to the ac unit to cool the charging components, so it makes sense that it takes more at 350kW. I just got a Kia EV9 instead of this and charged at 215kW today and heard the ac going full force while charging while I was sitting outside on nearby benches.
I just got back from a trip to Georgia, total distance driven was 765 miles, my experience was better than yours basically because my total trip was not at a constant 70mph.
But very similar experience.
Every time I have calculated my battery capacity it comes out between 89 and 91 kWh.
Love your Information always thank you very much. I would like to comment that the temperatures you operated in as you know maybe even better than ideal so keeping that in mind we have to be expecting that sometimes the range would be less based on cooler temperatures of course …however, I very much Enjoy your test and thank you very much.
Great job! Equinox EV is probably our next vehicle but we'll go with the AWD version because it is quicker and my wife refuses to get one without AWD. We'll be fine with a bit lower range.
Some rough weight data on the wheel/tire combos. The 19" option, the packaged wheel weight is 34.98lbs, the tire used is 32lbs (245/55R19 Michelin Primacy AS). The 21" option, wheel packaged weight is 37.24lbs, tire is 37lbs (275/40R21 Continental CrossContact RX). So approximately 65lbs for the 19" per corner, 72lbs per corner for the 21" (assuming a 2lbs subtraction for the box weight for those wheel weights I posted). The tire diameters are within 1/10th of an inch (29.6" for the 245/55R19, 29.7" for the 275/40R21).
Great video as always. In the few road trips I have on my AWD Equinox, I'm guessing around 270mi for the AWD version. I drive "supercruisin" at 70mph. I average right at 3.0 mi/kwh and I'm also guessing 90 kwh is a better guess for battery size. Several people online have noted the slightly larger battery than specs.
Strange I have that same configuration and the ABRP shows my car having 91.3 kWh battery size so I thought the battery was bigger in the RS trim
Regarding tire size on the different trims. The stock 21 inch wheel is 1.7% larger in circumference and 17% wider. I would think tire width has more effect than wheel size for rolling resistence . The narrower sidewall in the 21 would be stiffer and better for rolling resistence than the thicker sidewalk in the 19 inch. For snow tires, I put 18 inch wheels with narrower width but larger sidewall to match my 20 inch wheels circumfrence and didn't see a difference but my alloy wlheels were about half the weight of the kia OEM 19 inch wheels. (the 18 inch tires were somewhat cheaper😂)
The kWh capacity being more than GM's stated capacity is typical. Lyriq range test results usually show about 3-4kWh above the stated 102kWh capacity.
Just for reference, based on the 24-module pack having 213 kWh usable and the 12-module pack having 106+ kWh, the Equinox EV should have 88-89 kWh usable, so your outcome is a little high, but well within expected standard deviation for pack capacities.
If you could do a supercharging video (once GM gets access, of course), that would be awesome to see!
I will
Very nice. Another #FthePump option!
I recognize that charging station in E. Brunswick, NJ. It's absolutely one of the worst. The biggest issue I have is people charging their cars to 100%, which just exacerbates the wait time.
How about a Kyle Connor style 10% challenge? 10% charge state, charge 15 minutes and drive back down to 10%. This test is more charge dependent than range dependent.
Personally, when on long trips, I stop for a short walk and bio break about every 2 hours (+- 30 minutes), so I try to figure out how long I would need to charge to get to my next bio break.
That's Kyle's gig. I can't rip him off. 😀
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney fair enough, though I bet if you asked him he would be happy for you to do it.
My Lyriq greatly exceeds the EPA range under normal driving. Under very severe conditions it is still much better than the Model Y I had which under windy conditions was a disaster of efficiency. Seems GM has a secret sauce of some kind
I think *gm* rates at the worst case scenario for accuracy over the long run. I think their EVs are built to last instead of just being great EVs fresh out of the box like some other manufacturers who have put all their eggs in the initial quality basket and hoping customers will be trading them in soon before the degradation hits them.
You do a good job with consistent testing. However, we're retired and spend very little time on highways, using mostly low speed local roads. However, I need to know the distance in inches from the ground to the edge of the front seats? I've got a passenger that needs a higher seat. 24" is too low
Well, at least you have a good Sirius XM station to listen to when in line! 🎸
Great video! Has the AC charging problem been resolved that you did a short video about?
In my EV6 I can set my trips to reset every trip, or every charge. I’m pretty sure you can set yours to every charge too.
Another insightful and valuable test, Tom! One factor that could distinguish the GM vehicles from glass-roofed competitors is cabin temperature in sunny or warmer conditions. This is a year-round issue for many of us in the Sunbelt. What’s been your experience thus far?
I really hope someone from GM is watching and sharing this video
Thanks for the wonderful test. Are you relieved it didn’t have Lucid range.
Definitely!
I feel comfort and efficiency of using the AC with EVs is a higher temperature setting along with a higher fan setting. Especially after preconditioning. This is really no different than using a ceiling fan in a room.
Just leased one Friday (10/11). One of the first things I looked for was how to get the efficiency on the driver's display. I see what you mean about reseting every time. I guess one could use a trip odometer to get a reading on a "complete tank" though?
The trip odometer doesn't show the consumption (mi/kWh), only the energy screen does and that resets.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney gotcha... yeah shows 3.9m/kWh but not the total kWh used. Too bad, that would've been nice...not like there's not enough room on the screen 😅
I'm interested in the AWD for charging and range and also the Google system for everything but probably for trip planning the most.
You should get the 2024 LR RWD Model Y for the range test.
GM would not let us order an Equinox. They demanded we turn in our leased Bolt-wouldn’t even sell it to us. We bought a model Y. Only EV we could get 20 months ago here in southeast Michigan. I wanted an Equinox. Wth GM?
I have the Equinox RS AWD and very happy with the range. I only charge to 75% for most weeks but did charge up to 90 to 100 for a few trips in Michigan. DC fast charging was nice coming from a Bolt EUV and I was never in a hurry so time was unimportant. But it is hard to drive at 70 mph as the speed limit on norther I75 is 75mph. Hence I drive at at 73 to 75 mph and would like to know if this higher speed makes much difference. Any thoughts
GM EVs, like eGMP EVs, get considerably better than their EPA stated efficiency. My EV6 AWD easily exceeds 320 miles in normal driving, rated at 264.
Also, my efficiency drops over 90F. In mild weather I average 4.3-4.5MPK. On very hot days, it struggles to get to 4MPK, just a bit better than my winter efficiency.
That’s pretty good, but what is keeping me from buying one is the charging time that you did on another video. Do you think that the charging time would be a software update or you just have to live with it until Chevy gets a better battery pack? Your thoughts.
I’m interested in how long you waited before you got a charger? That would be an issue to me. 👍👍
I would love to see a comparison of the AWD vs FWD in the snow. You may have to travel north to find snow this winter though.
It's not FWD or RWD specifically, it's the F/R balance. One of the worst cars I ever had in the snow was a FWD Dodge 024 (fastback version of the Omni). Just horrible. My rear drive station wagon that I had at that time was my snow car. So to answer your question, if the FWD Equinox has a 50/50 give or take distribution, it will be terrible in snow. If it's 65/35, it will have excellent traction. But my personal opinion is that if you see snow - spend the money for the AWD version.
The LT trim with the Convenience II PKG comes with the 21" tires.
I did not know that