2024 Tesla Model 3 | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Our experts share their first impressions of the 2024 Tesla Model 3. For 2024, the Model 3 gets a major freshening with updated styling, acoustic glass for all of the windows, an 8-inch touchscreen for rear passengers, and a softer ride. While these are all good changes, we also talk about how the controls and updated blind spot warning system leave us wanting more. We also answer audience questions about the lack of van-like vehicles on the market and which safety systems we'd design for future vehicles.
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SHOW NOTES:
0:00 - Intro
1:16 - Tesla redesign vs. refresh
2:39 - First impressions
3:45 - 2024 Model 3 updates
8:26 - Regenerative braking
12:58 - New features/controls we’re on the fence about
22:14 - Features we still like
23:30 - Tesla Supercharger layoffs
24:41 - Why we bought the Full Self-Driving capability
27:03 - CR/Tesla Histroy
30:46 - Question 1: Where did all the vans go?
35:43 - Question 2: What vehicle safety system would you design?
LINKS:
First Drive: Refreshed 2024 Tesla Model 3 Improves Upon Its Winning Formula: www.consumerreports.org/cars/...
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Never ever had a passenger complain that they got nauseous because of regent breaking. It is smooth and completely at your control with the pedal.
Your passengers are too nice lol. I have almost vomited in a Tesla Uber with max regen.
Same, I’ve even explicitly asked seeking genuine critique and not once has anyone said anything.
My guess is he’s just bad at it and is not slowing down gradually enough, if it was genuinely a problem we’d hear about it more often.
I only know one model S owner and they have the exact same issue discussed here. It means they end up driving their other car whenever possible. People have different braking styles that are informed by driving ICE vehicles. Sounds like the new Model 3 is a big improvement.
If Jay Fisher can't modulate one peddle operation, nor learn to activate a blinker prior to starting a turn, he is the perfect example of driver that should be replaced by ADAS.
@@apadgettskiI’ve driven the new 3 and it’s the exact same as the old 3. Either the older model S is very different or they don’t know how to decelerate comfortably
The Tesla Model 3 is the best car I have ever owned.
No noise, no emissions, less fuel cost, less maintenance costs, software updates over the air, it is a great vehicle.
Tesla makes some improvements to their cars regularly. It seems like every month something is improved.
When they find a problem or a better way to do something they implement it. They don't wait for yearly or model changes.
A completely new regime to car manufacturing and support, long overdue. This is why legacy MFG's are way behind the curve.
CR has just confirmed, Teslas have the lowest maintenance and repair costs of any brand.
Yes, but what do you do when the battery is end of life?
@@stevec3526I have owned my TESLA MODEL X since 2016. It’s almost 9 years old. There is no sign of the battery anywhere near end of life. It has 100k miles on it and it’s our daily driver. No none in my family wants to drive my BMW X5M 😂
May I ask, is car insurance expensive for a Model 3 vs a traditional sedan like maybe a Camry?
I believe you are (unfortunately) stuck on FSD Beta 11.4.9. The current version is FSDS 12.3.6 (not Beta) and it is TOTALY different and NN/AI based (no longer rule based). Unfortunately it is not available for 24.8.x and higher software yet, despite what Elon says. Whenever you get V12 FSDS you need to make a new review.
True but even with the older versions of fsd Tesla was still in the lead. Consumer reports is straight up lying to us when they say otherwise. Cr may not take advertising dollars, but they sure as hell take DONATION dollars and the ford foundation is one of their biggest donors. You can’t say that doesn’t skew their ratings to some degree
I thought we always let someone know their lights are off by turning ours off and then back on rapidly a couple times? That seems to be the universal message they understand.
Tesla could use the ambient light strip for blind spot warning. Flash the left door or right door.
Nah that’s too distracting. The current on screen warning is fine
Lowly Chevy Bolt EV has a solid lit yellow star in the mirror glass when a vehicle is in your blind spot. If you put the turn signal on and there is a car anywhere in the danger zone in the adjoining lane, the star blinks rapidly. That makes perfect sense to have the indicator right on the mirror glass. The way Chevy does it seems very organic with basically zero learning curve.
Same here. Some great tech. but, definately NOT fsd
@@chidorirasenganzthe new refresh has a light on the speaker near the side mirrors.
@@wtmayhewthe refresh model 3 has a physical LED next to each side mirror.
These guys Paid $12K for FSD instead of subscribing. This says something about their personal judgement.
That's what happens when you spend OTHER People's money. Like our GOD DAMNED GOVERNMENT.
Money is not an issue - Ford Foundation hoses it to CR...
They are like bored dads that review cars in their spare time and record episodes in their empty office over the weekend.
Safety features: I second the auto headlights on with wipers. Actually why aren't auto headlights standard?
THANK YOU!!! I have said this forever. I believe that headlights are mandatory by law during rain (at least in some states). seems like low hanging fruit
You should experience the supervised FSD before trashing it . I have been a consumer report subscriber for over 15 years. An open mind would go a long way . I am 66 years old -
The fsd as it is has saved me a
Few times !
I'm curious about your more specific experience.
I tried FSD during the trial, and it was a nightmare, on almost every drive. 12.3.4
@@bearcubdaycareI have 12.3.6. Didn’t like it at first. Starting to now after a couple of weeks. It takes time to trust it. I’m 66 too.
"Model 3 design is basically unchanged since 2017" -ERR
What you mean is that it has not had any major cosmetic face-lift and not had any lots at once changes.
Nearly every engineering component has been redesigned at least once with change occurring almost continuously since 2017.
Consumers don’t know this - they only see visual changes and hence the refresh, if not a full redesign, was badly needed.
Dealbreaker for me is the looks of the Tesla, looking stale and boring now. It looks like a blob with ugly outdated taillights. Tesla looks like an egg. Then u look at the interiors, and its night and day compared to some other quality EVs. The tesla doesn’t even have a HUD or gauge clusters. What a boring cockpit to sit in. So plain Jane and no premium or special feeling.
+1 and I feel CR let readers down by keeping the Overall Score apparently based on tests of the 2017 car. I have a 2023 Model 3 (pre-refresh) and the ride is good, and they even called a new "comfort" suspension. I also feel like the high tire pressure recommended should be part of the discussion.
They said exactly what they meant. Structurally underneath it is the exact same car (body in white stampings).
@@harmony3138 It's funny, I look more at the underneath specs and dynamics of a car vs what it cosmetically looks like. It's easy to make a nothing car look and feel good - like the Fisker Ocean.
Jake needs to really try FSD 12, it’s an absolute cheat code. Just got back from a 2K mile road trip, it’s a game changer.
CR has it in for Tesla, even if they try V12 they’ll 💩 all over it.
@@antoinepageau8336They work for Ford. Hear how they’re pushing hybrids? This “independence” thing is bs.
@@antoinepageau8336 Maybe they need to hire a Elon fan boy.
Feels like some on this CR review crew have FSDH or full self driving hate.
I get the promise of a truly self driving vehicle is not here yet, but this is one of the best driver assist tech out there currently.
When Tesla had the one month free trial, I used it everyday and it got better with every passing week. I actual had it drive mevand my wife from home in the Central Valley of California through the south gate of Yosemite, all the way through the Yosemite valley floor, and home. It did great. They need a pay windows option for when you ate going to place where you have to stop and pay. It got thrown off once by a mix of shadows, wet, and dirt, so it slowed down a ton, I had to goose it to go on. It also go thrown off by end of 30 mph zone sign. It thought that was the speed limit. Still, think about five hours of driving and 99% done by the vehicle. Twisty mountain roads, freeway, towns, etc, and FSD 12 did it very well.
No one is going to pay the money for a one time license of FSD. If you did not have the CR piggy bank this vehicle would have been bought and a monthly subscription would have been the option used.
Larry, Moe and Curly Joe are back with us!
Nice to hear the Model 3 being well received.
How long have you guys been driving?? I’m 54. It’s ALWAYS been you turn your headlights off and on to tell someone their headlights are off. Flashing is to tell them their brights are on. Learned that when I was 16.
It’s also the signal to tell a truck there is room for them to move over.
I am a Model 3 owners. Some points are fair some are baffling. The notion that an experienced Tesla owner struggles to drive it smoothly, is baffling, never had a problem. Turn signals, drivers typically don't turn the wheel and then activate the turn signal, they activate them before they initiate the turn. If your hands are at 9 and 3, and then the turn signal buttons are right next to your thumb, no need to look at them. Gear shift is typically done while stopped. Door handles, modern low drag, not a problem. I drove a 2024, take aways, much better ride, much quieter.
I look forward to waiting patiently for a newer or older driver in these new model 3s trying to execute a 3 point turn on a narrow 2 lane while using the screen to shift.
I was a bit thrown for a loop when the reviewer stated he is at a light stopped with the wheel cranked over already...great way to end up in the opposing lanes of traffic if you get rear-ended.
@@path4061 I am 73 years old. Drive and Reverse are clearly marked on the screen. I drove a 2024 Model 3 as a test drive. Shifting and turn signals were a non- issue, in like 5 minutes of use. I currently own a 2021 Model 3. No one has ever said the felt sick riding with me. 2024 rides much better, and is much quieter, my main complaints about the car. Agree that when waiting to make a left, keep the wheel straight, until you are ready to complete the turn.
Drivers who fear "no stalks" have never ridden a motorcycle - or a scooter. A bicycle?
CR is packed with smart folks but seems that you’re stuck in an older paradigm, and it’s a bit embarrassing. OTR software updates are continuous and, at least once a year, substantial. CR’s hardware-centric mentality is an inappropriate throwback in this era. I’m far from a Tesla partisan but CR is coming off as borderline clueless.
2:20, i'm leaving again... too much bullshit.
Yeah Tesla just changed the headlights like CR reports.... here is the full list of changes in the new Model 3:
• Range has increases ~12%
• 50% of the parts in the car are new
• Redesigned interior with new door cards
• More premium interior materials. The fabric is softer to the touch and sewn with a more refined process to present a better overall texture
• Two new colors: Ultra Red & Stealth Gray
• No more stalks. New steering wheel contains the turns signals, light controls, horn, new camera button, wiper controls and mic control
• New dash design with textured/woven material
• Multicolor ambient LED interior lighting extending from dash to rear seat doors
• Updated center console with real metal handles, giving a more premium feel.
• 30% decrease in wind and ambient noise, 25% improvement in impact noise and 20% improvement in road noise
• Acoustic glass on rear windows and back window (was only on front windows before). "360º acoustic glass"
• More sound insulation for a quieter ride
• Uptick in hood to let wind go over more quietly
• Upgraded suspension for a more premium ride. New springs & dampers. New geometry on front suspension. New bushings. New way they mount the sub frame to the chassis
• Stiffer body
• More premium sounding door "thunk"
• Two motors close the trunk now vs one before, resulting in a quieter automatic close
• Tires have more cushioning for improved ride
• Center touchscreen now brighter, has smaller bezels, higher contrast & is more responsive
• More comfortable rear seats
• Redesigned lower rear bumper
• All seats are now perforated
• No fog lights anymore
• Front seats are now ventilated, in additional to heated
• 8" touchscreen for rear passengers in the back to control climate & enjoy entertainment. You can connect two headsets at the same time.
• New Model 3 is the most aerodynamic Tesla ever. Drag coefficient is 0.219 Cd
• Upgraded 2.0 ventilation system. You can now separately turn off the passenger side air
• Slimmer and sleeker headlight and taillight design
• New speaker bar in the roof
• New 17 speaker sound system (up from 14 before). It now includes 2 subwoofers, and 2 amplifiers. More punchy.
• 65W USB-C charger in center console so you can charge a laptop.
• Improved bluetooth
• Upgraded microphones. Now one on each passenger side. New mics make phone calls clearer and "smooth"
• Improved Wifi connectivity
• improved connectivity to phone so car will recognize your phone from farther away
• Two new wheel designs that optimize battery life
• Front bumper camera (maybe?)
• New Tesla lettering replaces rear Tesla logo badge
• Car is 8% more efficient thanks to better aerodynamics
• Car is lighter than before
• Working on new Performance Model 3
+ about the same weight as the outgoing model at ~1835 kg / 4045 lbs
Did I miss anything?
Well said!!👏
Yes - Now costs a third less to make than the original, AND
this is the second major refresh.
In 2021 they changed 25 things, some earthshattering like the Octovalve.
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Also the Model S and X were out of production for almost a year in 2021 for major refreshes.
They talk about some of those things, possible and negatives.
Unfortunately they didn't improve the auto wipers with this face lift. That function (or the lack of it) is the worst part of owning a Tesla model 3/Y driving in the UK on motorways, etc.
Wait a few seconds. They mention it is a substantial refresh and acknowledged that the difference between refresh and redesign is kinda an opinion
I like the blindspot warning light. It's simple, subtly elegant, and intuitively placed. It's the kind of thing most people will adjust to immediately. The typical orange indicator on a mirror can be difficult to see (especially in certain lighting conditions).
The rear screen is not for you. It is for kids and it has Bluetooth so they can watch and listen on their air pods and the adults can listen to something else. It also allows you to move up the front seat so perfect for Uber.
Thought it's worth pointing out why Tesla brake pedals feel "normal". The reason is because on a Tesla they only actuate the friction brakes, which is also why you cannot turn off one-pedal driving. Other EV manufacturers use an electronic "brake-by-wire" brake pedal that automatically mixes regenerative braking with friction braking, which is how they are then able to provide different levels of one-pedal driving on the accelerator pedal.
18:089 sir, why is your wheel turned when you're waiting at a light? In 99.9% of waiting at light scenarios, your wheels should be pointed straight, no? Also, you indicate your turn intention as you enter the lane, so your blinker would already be on if you're in a left turn lane, for instance.
I have the new Model 3 and it’s the first time I’ve had a Tesla or EV. Honestly the speedometer being slightly off centre on the side of the screen has never been an issue for me at all. Very slight glance and I can see it. I don’t know why some people see it as a huge issue
I like Alex's idea to have a "safe driving meter." Tesla's "safety score" is a step toward this, but it needs to be real time dash readout like Alex described. Some people will be annoyed and ignore it, but if it helps some other people to realize they might need to be a more defensive driver then it should help reduce accidents.
To warn someone there lights are off, the long time method is to turn your lights out and back on.
Tesla already has that anti-left lane technology! If you're on Enhanced Autopilot or FSD, it will prompt on the screen to get out of the passing lane, and make the move automatically. At one point I think the setting could be disabled, but I just took a quick look through my settings and I'm glad to see there doesn't appear there's a way to disable it anymore
BEST SAFETY FEATURE IS SITTING IN THE PASSENGER SEAT!
15:34 that's just a secondary way of seeing blind spot warnings. The very first thing you should do in a Tesla after indicating, is glance at the nice big super sharp camera view of your entire blind spot area that immediately comes on the screen. It gives you a better view than your side mirror. This is superior to other cars. Yes, you have to adjust to a new way of doing it, but it's objectively better once you do and takes very little time if you are the owner and regular driver of the car.
I have an idea for a safety feature: a mirror on the back of the car that you can flip up so when an idiot with their high beams on is driving behind you, you can “illuminate” the issue for them.
That is why some mount HD spotlights on their truck cabs and off-road bars. I have them on my truck bumper because I tow utility/car and RV trailers a lot, but they can be employed to let some one know they are creating a situation with their errant use of high beams.
A WWII ace suggested "tail gunner."
Now that the NACS (Tesla) charging standard has been adopted by other car makers, wouldn't it make sense that Tesla gets rid of their in-house Supercharger team and potentially leverages some of these other players (Ford, Hyundai, GM, etc.) to step up and create a team where expenses are shared? Why should Tesla have to continue to foot all the bills on creating more superchargers?
Why indeed.
They don't. It is certainly one of dozens of selling points for Tesla's
Teslas are continuously upgraded! And now this is a major upgrade! Over 50% of the car is new! Plus, they always do software upgrades! What other company does that?
All of them:) Most redesigns have significant percentage of new parts.
The software update I agree with you, Tesla is in a league of their own
I appreciate having 2 new fart sounds!!!! lol
Ahoy, y’all. 2023 Model Y has lane change fouled indicators in the quarter view activated by the turn signal. A red band on the left side. To be usable, you have to reposition the view at the top of the autopilot pane. 2024 spring update revises the autopilot display bigly. If you try to roll into fouled space, a robust warning is given.
The turn stalks make perfect sense. You keep your hand on the wheel instead of leaving the wheel
The turn signal stalk elimination does NOT make sense. I own the car. It's an inferior solution. It's usable, and you do sort of get used to it after some time, but it's not in any sense as good as a stalk and will never be as intuitive or easy to use. Stop being a fanboi.
loving our 2023 model 3 … there’s a reason why Tesla sells / leases a ton of them and will continue to do so
Stock market says otherwise. Look at the facts
@@alexanderh.999Your statement is not rooted in fact.
You don't measure a company's sales or operational performance by the price of the stock. Market caps for many companies swing materially up and down over days and weeks without any material change in the company's fundamentals.
I have Weather Guard mats in model Y for dogs and beach sand. No issues with them. These ordered from Tesla.
The entire car is re-engineered. Complete different ride and the 2024 performance model 3 is mind blowing !! ⚡️
Absolutely the best review hands down! I’m so glad I’ve been a subscriber for some many decades.
19:21 those backup PRND buttons are in case the screen blacks out. You can use them anytime if you prefer, but they weren't put there for normal use.
I like the visual adhesive on the front windshield to tell you what things to look at, navigation, warning, signs, things to avoid and all that. Great invention.
FSD is no longer beta. It is now supervised full self driving, which is not misleading. It is also AI end to end. No discussion here of the AI aspect, just grumbling about it is not what it ways it is - before driving it.
It was beta, now it's best.
Many of CR's criticisms seem to come from a point of view of hopping into the vehicle on occasion and therefore they aren't familiar with the vehicles. And that's fair, the Tesla vehicles are pretty different from other vehicles. But daily drivers will learn the vehicle and in many ways, it is superior. For example, the one pedal driving from before wasn't nauseous if you learn how to control the pedal. It doesn't take long to learn. Similarly, the gear selector on the screen isn't an issue.
Re. the last segment, my feature: Automatically turn headlights on when wipers go on/are turned on manually. Requires no leap in technology. Could be easily be added to every new vehicle produced.
Many cars already have that feature.
And with Tesla Over the Air updates, pushed to previously sold car like mine while it sits in my driveway.
Turn your lights on when it's raining is good starting point
Running marker lights too.
And speaking of cars driving around without their lights on…all cars have to have DRLs, which are on during the day. And at night you’re supposed to have your lights on. So why not REMOVE the “Lights off” function? Basically have cars always be in auto lights mode, and during the day the car switches to DRLs and at night it turns on its light. If people can’t turn the lights completely off or don’t have to remember to turn them on then the problem would be solved.
You are discussing in length human behavior, left lane driving, road rage, etc. Don’t you think if all cars are in an autonomous mode and are all making logical decisions, all that human factor luggage will be avoided and driving will be much safer? IMO this is going to be a huge improvement in the automotive safety.
Good review. I just got a RWD version. I’m used to the indicators, but in certain situations like these you discussed, it’s not great. I love the gears on the screen, because its ability to put you into the right gear itself is great. Most of all, I wish it had a heads up display. But other than that, it’s one of the nicest, most fun cars I’ve ever driven.
I have a 2021 Model 3 Long Range with Acceleration Boost and Enhanced Autopilot. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned. No emissions, fun to drive, comfortable. With respect to Jake’s comments about the regenerative braking and how it makes his passengers nauseous when he lets up on the accelerator- I don’t have that “jerkey” issue that he mentions. Might I suggest it’s Jake’s driving?
It’s absolutely his driving. You can absolutely drive very smoothly while having regen braking turned on. And it is NOT difficult to do. Don’t get what his problem is but I’m convinced the issue lies with him, not with regen enabled driving.
He’s talking about the “S”, not the “3”.
Jake’s immature comments about Tesla working on FSD are really immature. We should be lauding and encouraging companies that are trying to make our roads safer. How are we ever going to make advancements when organizations like CR are fighting against Tesla attempt at progress?
On my Audi Q5, even if the headlights are manually in the off position, when the ambient light sensor thinks its dark enough to need them the car chimes and displays a message on the screen "please turn on headlights" (or something along the lines of that). Something like that in other cars seems like an simple way to help mitigate that issue.
Really the cluster and screen should be off if its dark out and your headlights are off. If you don't want to pull in your driveway with the lights on, you don't need to know your speed or RPM or have the GPS going.
Would have waited for the highland but the loss of $7.5K on the RWD was not worth it for me. Paid $30k in Dec after tax rebate. I4 and other EVs were not an option new with this tech and driving for $30k!?
The Tesla Model 3 has always had smooth regen braking. At least, it’s been smooth since 2018 when I got mine. I can see passengers getting sick if you’re constantly accelerating and lifting your foot off, but it feels smoother than having a human press the brake pedal. It completely depends on how often the driver is lifting their foot off. Having regen braking encourages the driver to brake more often
I would really appreciate information about the version of FSD Consumer Reports is using. I have tried v10, v11, and currently driving on v12.3.6 which is incredible. Jump from 11 to 12 is by far the biggest improvement we have ever experienced when it comes to FSD. Name has changed to Full Self Driving (Supervised) with latest version v12.4 coming next week (per Elon, obviously this may shift a bit 😉). If you compare FSDs ability to drive your vehicle, nobody comes close. I really wish Consumer Reports created a Test, or real world route to test the various systems. I find your system rating misleading cause you 80% of your scores applies to the driver attentiveness and 20% to cars ability to drive for you. So all other vehicles score higher cause they alert me when they don’t work or if I don’t pay attention, yet those systems have constant issues and failure much higher than Tesla by a landslide. 🤷♂️
Just a note; there are 3rd party accessories with which you can customes regen % if you want from 0% to 100%. Not ideal, but available.
"Let's get right to it . . ." is the one thing the dialogue here did NOT do. And not redesigning every year or three is historically done by hacks like Rolls Royce. Was this opening section meant to be a summary, or just "our impressions only?' Too many 'well we'll get to that in the testing' type of remark. I appreciate the effort, but it was confusing and not thought out as much as it might have a been. IMHO only. Thank you for the effort.
The Model 3 (and S and Y) have the LOWEST probability of injury of any vehicles ever tested by the NHTSA, but you wouldn't learn that from this podcast. CR is all about safety, and spend 5 minutes talking about how the blind-spot monitoring light isn't cool. Forget about Twitter and treat the car objectively.
21:44 you push with your thumb, pull with the rest of your fingers. It's super easy and not awkward, unless you're doing it any other way.
As much as Consumer Reports downplays FSD, it is light years better than the competition. Compare them yourself first then decide. Also FSD works everywhere not just on main highways with clear weather , well marked lanes and traffic.
Buying a Tesla is like buying an iPhone. There’s no hassling involved.
Regarding the proposed safety features, the one about the left lane issue isn't a good idea if it automatically tries to move the car back into the previous lane. The reason is, on many highways in many States there are exits on the left lane and you have to drive in the left lane to use them. The "heads up display" is a good idea providing the driver has the option of turning it off. The other proposal about a device that basically tells you when you are driving unsafely is not good either. The reason is, good drivers don't need it and bad drivers would probably try to see if they could drive badly enough to get the worst reaction from the system.
Safety Feature suggestion: I do a lot of work on cars just on the side. From what I've seen, there is an extremely large percentage of people driving on tires that are worn out or bald. If you don't believe me next time you pull into your supermarket just take a glance at the front tires of cars as you are walking in. There should be a safety system that puts a Warning light that the tires are worn out. Half time when I mention it they are oblivious to the situation and the other half I have to scold them about how unsafe it is.
Like my brother who bought an extremely low mileage(1,+++) 2013 Corvette. When I mentioned he should replace the tires on his 180-mph car he got pissed. "They only have !,+++ miles on them". I referred him to the Corvette website that advises replacing the tires in just a few years despite low mileage. He still hasn't.
We took a run to the store on surface streets in a SW retirement community and on the way back he hit 130+ on a back access road... I'm the one pissed now and still.... and so it goes.
When you are waiting at a light your wheel should not be turned. That is a safety hazard.
what about Lucid ? What's your take on that brand ?
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@@consumerreports 15:40 why are you all DISHONEST in this video about the blind spot warning??? Tesla has sense done an OTA update that note light up the entire side of the screen when someone is in your blind spot.
You completely forgot about difference compared to original release. Heatpump, power trunk, suspension(Koni Frequency Selective Dampers), acoustic glass, seats, new cameras, entertainment computer, screen, new rear screen, blind spot monitoring indicator the list goes on. When you are comparing with cars like Ioniq 6 and all, you guys keep forgetting what you are getting with Tesla, for example, Autodimming, autofolding mirrors, heated rear seats, best audio system with 15/14 speakers, rear monitor with entertainment, better acceleration, reliability, sentry/dashcam features, best Lane keep/auto cruise, the list goes on.Tell us what EV in this price range has Frequency Selective Damping suspesion? None!
Jake comment about Tesla can't do even Turn signal/floor mats? Seriously? only company in the world which revolutionized Electric car industry and you talk as if they don't know how to do basic thing when whole industry trying to catch up to them. Despite what you are saying you are not biased, you guys are clearly very biased against Tesla, not just this review, but pretty much all your reviews.
I do like Anti-Leftlane hogging technology idea, and I am all for that.
Greetings from Canada and thank you for this review. I am a long time subscriber to Consumer Reports. My comments on this video are:
• Regarding the turn signals… I believe this problem will be largely addressed when Tesla moves to Steer-by-Wire (like the CyberTruck) on all vehicles as the total movement for the steering wheel is only 270 degrees so there is no need for the driver to change their hand position on the steering wheel. This way the button will stay in the same place all the time.
• I tend to agree with the suggestion of a heads up display so the driver can check relevant information without having to re-focus on the center mounted screen. I would also prefer an analog display for speed so I can check my speed without the need to refocus on a digital speedo - just like you can see what time it is with an analog face watch without looking at it directly.
• I believe you need to put some serious driving time in with FSD active. It will surprise you just how close Tesla is getting to this working far far better than any human driver. FSD has seven cameras and a computer that is never distracted. FSD usually sees impending problems way earlier than any human operator.
• I believe it is almost time to put aside “real driving” as a thing of the past. The place for that will be on a closed track - the same as you would to ride a horse. What proportion of buyers are fully committed petrol heads that enjoy the whole experience of ICE engines revving, manual gearboxes, gasoline fumes, noise, vibration, etc.? I think many people being born right now may never hold (or need) a driver’s license. We are right on the cusp of a paradigm shift on the value proposition relating to private vehicle ownership with FSD now imminent.
That's not a Model 3. That's the new Roadster.
thanks for the video
16:34 these are an objectively better way to do it vs. stalks. You never have to move your grip at all from the wheel, or change it in any way like you do with stalks. You simply move your thumb half and inch to turn them on. Change is hard, but this change is simply better. You adjust very quickly to the different way of operating it.
Hey, Tesla here's a suggestion for a new feature to make your cars undrivable! Put the steering wheel on the screen, too, so drivers can watch it all the time while they're driving!
Actually, that is the plan.
I have a Tesla model S and I have zero issue with regen and neither do my passengers. If you have trouble with regen, you haven’t figured out regen.
Door handles that have been around since 2018 and are on five million cars, including the best selling car model in the world.
I have never had anyone not be able to open the doors. Is this one of those infomertial situations where people can't do ordinary things like boil water or tear off toilet paper?
@@gnoxycat That's strange. I've seen everyone struggle when they're new to it.
@@bearcubdaycare People with hand problems. I suppose the Tesla fans will say, what the heck are people with hand problems doing in a Tesla.
"floor mat technology" 😂
Should've made it a hatchback. I want a squished model Y
There are rumors of a hatchback version in 2026.
Model 2 is coming soon.
@@Arpedk do you honestly believe that? Consumers want models with better range and materials. A Model 2 would have neither if it has a price tag under $30k. Rational people realized the Model 2 is vaporware a long time ago.
@@Noah_E Everything is vaporware. Until it's not.
@@Arpedk Model 8. Bet on it.
My current car and the previous one have had automatic headlights where "auto" is the minimum setting. You can't turn them off, and that would prevent people driving with their lights off if that was mandatory. Ambient light sensors are cheap and reliable.
No matter how you slice this … paying for full self driving for a test car was a bad call / investment no matter if consumer reports paid now vs a year ago. Monthly subscription for FSD has been available for quite some time now.
The only reason I see why they bought it like this is because after car has gone through testing and gets put up for sale, most likely the employees of consumer reports get first dibs with a sweet employee discount. And someone high up the the management wanted to get fully loaded Tesla but at half the price and didn’t want to pay himself full price for FSD they persuaded the acquisitions department to shell full amount for this test car
Y’all got pushed to the break room?
BIW has completely changed since my 2020. Just didn’t happen at the same time as the exterior
Maybe not a new safety addition, but OBD II codes, with description should be retrievable on the screen without a trip to the garage...with a connection service perhaps some guidance could be included. How many of us have paid for a code download to only discover our gas cap seal was at fault!
Go in the Service menu and read the alerts in plain text, not just a cryptic code.
How many OBD II codes do you think an electric car produces?
You clearly don’t own a Tesla. Service menu is accessible to all owners and includes very in depth information written legibly with graphic representations charts etc. Completely next level. Not to mention that through the App you can chat with the service department (even on Sundays) and they’ll remotely monitor issues while you drive!!! 🤯
No gas cap seal
OBD II codes are so obsolete, they predate Windows 95, which came out in what? 1997?
I don't see this "poll" being talked about at 43:08 anywhere...
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More Alex please!
Regarding the lights off issue. I will usually get behind the car with it's lights off and turn my lights on and off to signal to them their lights are off. When they see my car effectively disappear from their rear view into darkness, they usually get the idea.
Unless they are drunk and even the horn won't get a rise. I once followed a woman down a canyon road into town as she went from shoulder to shoulder and didn't go off the road. As soon as she hit town she jumped the curb into the first light pole. Nothing got her attention but that light pole and I'm not even sure about that.
There should be driver quality and performance monitoring, tied to car insurance. Too fast, too aggressive, and too reckless? Pay more so the rest of us can pay less
When has FSD beta or FSD Supervised every been promoted or otherwise indicated as a hands free system? You guys are suppose to be auto experts, yet you are throw off by looking for speed indication on the left edge of the touch screen. How often should a driver look to the center of a car to check the rear view mirror? (Answer: every 5 to 8 seconds per driving experts)
Is checking the rear view a problem?
Turn signals are annoying. Fsd is getting much better fast. Fantastic car. Lovely to drive. Great sound system. Model Y has way more storage space.
A new tech I want is a rear facing horn. So many times I want to use my horn to get the attention of someone behind me.
9:05 this is 100% user error. I have zero problems smoothly chauffeur driving in a Model S (I've owned two). Nobody is uncomfy when I drive it. This is true of every Tesla I've owned (multiple 3's, S's and now the CT), as well as the Y and X I've spent considerable time driving. Tesla is simply the best at tuning regen braking, and it's excellent across their lineup. Feather it lighter if this is happening to your riders.
13:36 the entire purpose of that screen is for HVAC control and heated seat control. The games/videos are just a nice side benefit, it's not why they put it in there.
Regarding people driving around with their lights off in the dark, I've noticed for several years now that most of those folks are driving Toyota or Lexus vehicles. I'm wondering if there must be something different about the way Toyota/Lexus illuminates their dashboard and gauges? Or do Toyotas not have light sensing headlight activation like most other makers?
EVer heard of DUI?
Good discussion 👌
Flashing the lights to a left lane car begs the assumption they know the far left is for passing.
So if they know, then they wouldn't be in the left; or that they're being speed limit righteous which means they won't move anyway.
The oblivious ones just don't realize that they are the Traffic. *Uses Maury Povich voice.
The worst is when two cars in the right and left lanes are traveling the same slow speed slowing everyone down, and not providing passing ability.
2:02 I guess you've never heard that Tesla has moved to one shot castings for much of the body in white on the Y and the partial on the 3? There are a lot of other things underneath the skin that have changed through the years on every model they make, in addition to skin changes and interior upgrades. So yes, we've repeatedly seen Tesla "redesign" their models, over and over again.
In the last year driving 4 long road trips in 23 MY, don't think a car could be quieter. Compared to ICE, it is dramatic going up and down grades effortlessly in silence. One peddle drive is smooth and safer in speed control. Center screen is perfectly visible and controls are easy. Cannot disagree more with CR criticisms.
Seems their reviewers actually don't follow their recommendations when you hear their personal vehicle choices.
Finding CR less relevant in auto reviews, better to do a your own research, survey multiple reviews, and test drive yourself.
"Readers Digest" CR reviews are no longer sufficient.
I can jump into my friend’s Ford Lightning and drive it away like a regular car, everything is where it is with every ICE vehicle. I think Elon’s “best part, is no part” just makes it too minimalistic. I asked my wife about going to look at a Model Y, she doesn’t want to deal with charging at home or on the road. We bought a RAV4 Hybrid, getting 42 mpg and 580 miles of range…..
I would like to see a two stage horn. One stage is a friendly whistle tone to tell somebody who may be looking at their mobile device that the traffic light has changed. The second stage would be like the current horn
Gentlemen, the Tesla FSD is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else in the business in the field of autonomous driving. This is possibly the most difficult thing to achieve, and not only in the automotive world. The system has been perfected for a long time now and has gotten better and better. Eventually it will reach highest level of automation and will be the first one to do that, and that will be the greatest achievement in the automotive industry in the 21st century. As serious journalists you have to understand that and not only blindly criticize, but acknowledge and encourage Tesla’s efforts and achievements.
Encourage Tesla's efforts. I don't understand. Do you mean a "way to go Elon". or an "atta boy Elon" review?
The shark design hasn’t changed for millions of years. A good design doesn’t need to change…
15:19 it's the classic "they did what you asked, but completely missed the point of why you were asking" scenario.
16:52 tesla wants to reduce as many parts off the car as possible. at least in part because they don't like outside suppliers, but they also don't have the bandwidth to deal with every single part on a car.
19:00 hint to manufacturers. if you think something needs to constantly be displayed, maybe that should just be a switch, button, or readout.
7:35 this is not at all true. It has seen two major refreshes, the most recent in 2021 with an all new interior and many changes to the exterior (as did the Model X). Similar to this refresh of the Model 3.
Chill mode
This is the first of your videos I've seen and it was pretty good. But I have a few views of my own.
On the subject of blind spot system, it appears you don't know about the Red Bar on the side camera views. Whenever you put on the turn signal, if there is a car in my way, a huge red bar appears. This is much more powerful to see than the amber LED BLISS functions I had on my Volt and Ford Fusion Energi. I don't really have to look at the Tesla screen to see there is a big red bar in my peripheral vision and it automatically freezes me from changing lanes. I understand that you don't like the little LED added to the "Highland" Model 3; hopefully Tesla will bypass this little experiment on the Juniper Model Y refresh. But the Red Bar is so much better than other BLISS functions I've seen, you should be giving Tesla credit for that.
I sort of agree with you that the left stalk for the turn signal is the best way to implement it. However, I don't really love the right stalk for drive, reverse and park. Since you shouldn't be moving when you change direction or park, there is no need for this function to be "eyes free". EV's don't benefit from D R P being on the right stalk.
You don't seem to understand the difference between Autopilot and FSD. Last night's driving I did to a place 35 miles from home with zero interventions qualifies as Full Self Driving. I pretty much only take control in parking lots and backing into my garage. FSD is a new way of driving and has a learning curve. If you can remember back to when you were first taking driver's ED, you were nervous at first. You will feel that same way with FSD until you get used to it. That’s not to say Elon Musk didn’t jump the gun changing its status from Beta to Supervised; however, with the new AI architecture and DoJo, I can see the rate of fixes is so fast, next fall you probably won't have any serious mistakes on your trip. Maybe by then Tesla will have a tutorial and CBT (car based training) test for new FSD drivers.
I was intending to buy a model Y 3 years ago but the suspension gave me nausea. Hopefully Tesla will correct this with the Juniper version. I would not buy the current model Y. Hopefully you can review this new version when it is released. Will they ever have a heads up display?
What car do you drive now with a "heads up" display?
There's a 2023 Ford Transit Connect, no?
And it is now 2024. The '23 is no longer available.
CR has never like Tesla vehicles and always has a dig on Elon in all their Tesla videos! The best they can give as a compliment is backhanded compliments. They are in love with the Kia and Hyundai brands!😮
I thought you had a pretty good discussion and were objective. I'm driving my second Model Y and I agree with your comments about the horribly "user-hostile" design feature of loosing the two control stocks. At the same time I feel a little disappointed you don't have more enthusiasm for ev's as such. They ARE much better for the environment. Yes, with supply chains as they are the emissions of building one exceeds the emissions of building a comparable ICE vehicle, but if you drive one long enough they end up with less emissions over the life of the vehicle, and those supply chains are rapidly evolving and in time the emissions of building an EV will be a lot less. Think of the huge fraction of battery materials that can be recycled - 90%+ which will drastically reduce emissions of mining over time. Compare 90% recyclable battery materials to 100% fossil fuel up in smoke and CO2. And you don't care for the lack of changes in design? I think of how highly optimized Tesla designs are and I am THRILLED to be so energy efficient. Why isn't energy efficiency more of a value??? Why much change what is well optimized? I look at vehicles like the Hummer EV and consider it a sacrilege of waste. Anytime I see something with a boxy shape I think it better have a practical function that justifies such an aerodynamic disaster. And I'm sorry you don't like Tesla door handles but I'm quite used to them now and find them just fine - no problem. And I love the fact they are sooo aerodynamically efficient. I guess I have to accept that you guys can't be in the business of design value promotion, but I wish you were if you could get behind the Korean innovation of exclusively camera based rear view mirrors that are so aerodynamically efficient. Why don't we make laws in North America to accommodate this leap forward? It is AMAZING how much impact seemingly little things can have on energy efficiency. Just loosing your Tesla wheel covers can cost you a significant percent of energy efficiency ~4%? Why not MORE oohs and ahhs for the benefits of good aerodynamic design? I sure hope Musk listens to you on the control stock GOOF. I'm not an unqualified fan of Mr Musk and don't think he adequately encourages subordinate feedback when you see things like control stock elimination. My fear is that Musk's values are inherently in conflict with my sense of what is needed for acceptable Full Self Driving. I have driven FSD for some time at it has greatly improved but all the raves for version 12 supervised are quite over the top relative to my experience. I live in a small stable old city with lots of quirks and my FSD experience with Version 12 ( now running 12.6) includes premature turns as if a fast food entry were the road route, repeated premature turns into a ditch some feet deep - no accidents thanks to my intervention. And more problems. It isn't the frequency of problems that concerns me so much as the fact that the nature of the failures could be catastrophic without intervention PLUS the fact that the errors were blindingly obviously easily avoidable by a human driver. My fear is that Musk wants to get enough driving data (clearly insufficient for my town) to reduce the accident rate to some fraction less than the accident rate for unassisted human drivers - and then declare victory - but not caring about failure modes where an unassisted human driver would just not make such errors be they sober and undistracted. From my readings it is a characteristic of neural net AI that failure modes in situations not covered by training are characterized as being catastrophic. We need a higher grade of AI than Musk is using - something like humans can achieve with the hypocampus part of the brain which better adjusts in a "common sense" way for the unexpected. Or that's the theory behind my fear. Ending on a positive note, I don't agree with you that FSD brings no benefits. The car NEVER gets distracted or uninterested in what is happening. It responds very quickly - as at a green light with nobody being a threat. I do find myself more relaxed if the road isn't too pot-holed. It does reduce stress for me. I'm glad to have it and look forward to further improvements but I am not anticipating robo-taxis for quite a few years. If China is a first adopter, I wonder if they'd share honest statistics?
For the doctor trying to replace his Transit Connect, Ford only discontinued the model last year. Since the 2023 lost the available 2.5 liter, I’d say look for a 2022 XLT with the 2.5
Flashing lights to „ask” the vehicle in front to move out of the way is reckless driving in my country and several others in Europe :)) To be fair, hogging the left lane is also illegal, but if the flashing is hard to enforce, this is even harder unfortunately...
I don't want heads up display it will fill like floater in the eyes and speedometer in front of the driver all my cars except my tesla would get cover from the steering wheel.