Big pushy disrespectful horse behavior from a haflinger. Part 1. Catching in Stall and Leading.
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- This is day 1 part 1 of working this disrespectful horse behavior. She is big and she tries to push her weight around to get what he wants. In this part I am catching her in the stall and leading her to the cross ties. This took over 20 minutes! See how I correct the pushy and disrespectful behavior. This is part 1 of a 3 part series working this haflinger.
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I live in Germany where the Haflinger is bred. They are a great breed of horse but not for beginners. They are very clever and stubborn and if not trained properly from the start they can cause big issues for their owners. They are not a nasty breed of horse, rarely kick or bite but nearly always pushy and are good at running people over. Once the respect and bond is there, they are a sure footed, reliable horse and always calm in difficult situations. Glad you are helping this horse 😊
Ray Hunt always said “make the right thing easy and the wrong thing difficult.” That’s all you are doing and horses soon figure it out.
Thank you for your insights!
I must remember that premise - surely works on other species as well.
I still didn't see the horse "run over" the trainer like the vlog title said!
Interesting that what a lot of people call "disrespectful" behavior is simply that the horse doesn't know what the right thing to do is. Notice as soon as she knows the game, she does the right thing. The key is that she understands what to do. She's not disrespectful. She's just confused.
I thought the same thing.
I agree ! It seriously takes time and patience with us humans to create a bond with these precious horses. We have to remember that they are prey animals and we are considered predators to them. Take time for them to develop a trust towards you and everything else will fall in place.
He calls it disrespectful because horses are supposed to look to the owner as the alpha and do what you want, the same way a stallion leads his herd. She looks to be in the "teenager" stage. He may have been working with her and she knows what to do but refuses to comply at certain times. We are people and don't understand the dynamics of respect when it comes to equine interaction, plus we're not horse experts so we should listen to the trainer and heed his instruction.
Most people don't even understand dogs or cats and own them, yet think something is wrong with them but its ALWAYS the owner not understanding the social needs of the animal they own.
A dog doing what they want believes they're the alpha and most people will let it live until the "alpha" goes to discipline or correct his pack, aka the owner. Then if they get bitten, they give the dog up or have it put down but it all could have been avoided if they knew what they were doing and did research instead of just picking a dog up blindly, like its just a purse that you feed and let out. No ma'am lol
@@yaya804 please look up Lucy Rees. She studies one of the last herds of truly wild horses. Many of the concepts that we use to train horses such as "respect," "lead mare," and alpha theory actually doesn't occur in nature the way we think.
Great analysis! 👍
Tim, I know this horse was coming to be put down, if it wasn’t brought to you. It makes me proud of you, because this horse is given a second change of life. She is a beautiful horse.
Another spoiled child horse. I would not let my kids do this, Shirley, not a horse.
Gosh - that horse is beautiful- glad you are working with her
I love Haflingers have had 3 but they are often challenging on the ground
I'm a beginner on a Haflinger mare. She is quite pushy and really tests me. This gives me the right way to have her respect. She is great in the round pen and just starting obstacles.
Pretty horse, but you can see she has issues with showing respect. Hopefully, you can teach her some manners. Great video. Looking forward to the next 2 in this series.
❤❤😂😂Those ears over the stall!
Thank you for this tutorial. I appreciated the gentle pressure and correction along with the explanation of what both you and the horse are doing.
I’m looking forward to the next video and hope her owner would be willing to participate in a video so we can see the interaction.
I divided that video of the first day into 3 parts so you'd be able to see more of what I'm doing. The next 2 parts will come out tomorrow or Sunday then on Tuesday I'll put put a video comparing the 1st and 3rd days.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Thank you. I’m looking forward to the videos.
Love these videos. It's amazing how you communicate with these very big animals so successfuly.
Nice tutorial, thank you.
I really like how you keep bringing up how rope halters with knots put too much pressure. Since I'm just learning about horses, I would have never thought about it. It seems that the majority of the halters out there have them. It's nice to know that you can get them without.
She's a pretty girl!
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Depending on how you are using a rope halter the knots might be ok for for how I use them the knots would be too much.
Halters with knots are training halters. The knots are meant to send a message, when used correctly. And I don't think this type halter should ever be used as the regular halter. He's in training mode. I preferred a smooth leather halter for everyday leading.
Fascinating, every bit as much as watching zookeepers train and interact with other species.
I had similiar issue with hucul horse (the are very similiar to haflingers, hardy and stubborn, too) - but for me it was more safe to do that in round-pen - free movement, no lounge. The box was way too small for me and quite risky becuse of the closed (or semi-closed) doors.
Very nice tutorial!
Haflinger are not stubborn by nature. They are highly sensible ( because of their Job as a working horse) and pretty smart. Often too smart for the abilities of their owners.😅
@@angelawolgast2960 Absolutely agree 😄👍
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We have an hafie(as some call them) they can e pushing ..but repeating the with praise on the desired behavior really works with her plus being patience, firm when asking but kind as well
I’m looking forward to seeing the next videos. She reminds me of my Appy. Thank you for this, it’s very helpful.
I will have part 2 and 3 of the first day out tomorrow and Sunday and on Tuesday I'm planning have clips showing day 1 and day 3.
You are spot on with everything!
Nice video. What would you do with a mare who does pin her ears to get you out of her space? Do you have a video related to ground work on more dominant horses (mares....) that I could watch? Thanks!
I do not have a video but I recently rescued a horse and I'm working to get weight back on him. He is bad about pinning his ears and aggressive about food so when he is health enough I will have to work with him on that and I will video it.
I will be interested in that subject also. I have some things I do with my “grumpy” mustang gelding at feeding time but definitely interested in other ideas to add to my tool box.
It’s most likely not dominate behavior, but a fear response. Work on building trust with your mare with positive reinforcement.
Very pretty horse
Love haflingers!
I love the inquisitive ears next door 😁
Yes that is Mac and Cheese. He is always that way about everything.
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I’ve really been enjoying your channel. I only found it recently, within the past year. You’re putting out sound advice and good information. I really appreciate your efforts in creating these videos and that you’re sharing freely with all of us.
I’m actually watching part two at the moment.😊
You should try the plastic ties that allow them to pull slightly without breaking. Stops a horse learning to be a pull back horse. They are called idolo tether tie. You can set them so they are hard or easier to pull throughDepending on how you thread the lead rope through. Never get a pull back horse again as when a horse panics they give slightly and there is no end point where they can snap it with a head toss or leaning back. Cheap as chips too.
Thanks I'll look at them.
@@timandersonhorsetraining they helped my big friesian mare. Great video by the way.
I really like your videos. I also like the nosy neighbors in the stalls!
Steve young sells something for pull backs. Look it up its great for all project horses and ponies.
This is great. Thank you for making this video and sharing. I'm new to horses. The one I took back to the barn the other day was so much worse than that :( Love the tutorial about how to do this!
In the big picture of horses this one is not too bad. It's important to recognize the little signs and act on them so that it doesn't get really bad.
@@timandersonhorsetraining It was my first time haltering one by myself and taking it back to the barn for grooming. At least he was not overtly hostile. I got a lot to learn. Wasn't sure how far to go with curbing their actions. Seriously, your tutorial is amazing. I can't thank you enough :)
No, thanking you for us to want to come to your channel and be happy!!!
Thanks. Learned a lot
Steady and consistent. Shame she didn't have guidance earlier but certainly appears to be willing to learn.
Do you spend some time getting owner to join up before sending home once manners are instilled?
Would be interesting watching their interactions.
Thanks for sharing, looking forward to the coming videos.
Yes I encourage all owners to come spend time letting me work with them working their horse, I wish more would take advantage of that. The ones who do are very successful with their horse when they get it home. Unfortunately most owners do not want to be videoed when they are making mistakes and learning so I don't do it.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Positive some do Tim and figuratively I'd like to see. Privacy and no social media is important to earn trust to guide them.
You do such great work, hope more catch on. Thanks for sharing
This is so awesome! Thank you Tim. 👏👍
I have just bought a fjord mare who doesn't respect my personal space...She doesn't want to stand still at any situation, when I stop her, she starts moving to sides, circling, backing up...It is very hard handling her from ground...This might help :)
Yes. The best answer to a horse that doesn't want to stand is to make them mover their feet. You might also check out this virtual lesson video. ruclips.net/video/BFUNcCGeGuY/видео.html
While Haflingers are a brilliant small breed, too many people get them and not realise how stubbourn they are and it's led to all sorts of behavioural problems down the line.
I think I was about 14 when I was asked to ride a horse that was owned privately at the riding school I went to because he'd made a habit of bolting with his owner. I kid you not out trekking he nearly run us off a literal cliff. Also ran us into the back end of another horse and I took the brunt of the kick. He was so dam stromg that I needed two hands on one rein to put him off balance enough to slow down and bail. After walking him down away from the cliff and trying again, he almost immediately bolted once we started moving and I had to walk him home.
No reason for it that we could find. I ended up having to ride him in lessons which also, was not much fun and still had all the bolting issue. His owner sold him on in the end. The yard did have another that eventually got sold, also had a habit of being really strong and bargey, I put that down to the fact that they let a lot of kids handle him and he got away with a lot of behaviour like that. Unfortunately the owner was more money orientated than putting in extra effort for additional training.
bolting is a huge haffy issue as the breed
@@user-jk5kn4dq1eI'm surprised to read do many negative comments about haflingers, becaude they're often depicted as beginner-friendly.
I'm not a beginner (more intermediate level) but I'm searching a breed good for beginner 'cause I'm a coward and never owned a horse.
For now, I essentially rode mix-breeded horses, so I don't know for wich breed to look.
What breeds would you recommend?
Can you do a program showing equipment such as the halters and talk about pros and cons also such as saddle blankets girths maybe one in saddle types and fits etc
I did that video a while back. Might be time to redo it.
She definitely is trying you. Great job so far 👏.
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Yes! Thank you!
I have a Haflinger. They are very stubborn. I hope that the owner will do the same groundwork. Otherweise this won't work. You habe to be strikt and you need a clear communication with these horses!
I AM HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH MY MANNERS TODAY AS WELL.
wonderful, thank you
Thank you
She is a beauty.❤
looks to have pulled a wagon with harness because of two white patches on back . could be wrong but seen a lot horses that pull and have white patches
Hi, thanks for putting up your videos. I was wondering why u held so high up the line when mleading her in the hallway? That basically puts her right in your space so curious if that contradicts the prior little work neat stall door about giving you some space? I am sure u have a reason, just curious what it is please. Like u could tried to walk her with a slack line too, no? Thank u
I knew this horse could be dangerous and I was not going to give her the chance to do something.
A disrespectful horse is the end result of poor handling and training, and inexperienced owners create more issues than they resolve. Most newbies don't like to hear that.
it just didn't feel like having a visit that day just wants to be left alone
she came u p to you and kept a respectful space when you first arrived
Do you have any videos on what to do with horses that give their head and then take it away?
What situation are you talking about? My initial thought is your horse needs to give their head longer but I'm not sure that's what you are talking about.
Wow that horse is really pigeon toed in the front. Never saw it quite that bad before.
When you are circling her, you are backing AWAY from her... I was always taught..... That's a no no...
Sometimes. When she goes home her owner may not always be in the correct position so I want her to keep going forward even if my position is not exactly correct. Being axactly correct with my position now will make it harder for the owner later. Also with her I want her to learn to draw her head to me so backing away helps that
Good question!
She knows the game to get out of work? I don't think so. She's just trying to figure out what you want. If she really wanted to get out of work then she would turn towards you 100% of the time because that's when she gets the rest. When she turns her butt to you is because she doesn't know better yet. She turns towards you more and more once she figures out what the heck it is you want.
I took some lessons then was offered to partial lease a horse. I learned part way through trying it out that it was castrated late and that this could be why it, shall we say "identifies" as a stallion. It tried to nip me twice, with me pushing its head away on its second attempt. It almost kicked a staff member when I had it cross tied and was prepping to tack it up. It became more accepting of me after they had me lunge it a bit. My question is: With the circumstance of this horse's "upbringing" could a horse like this be not fully tameable like any stallion may be? Like maybe the right owner can gain its respect and safely handle it but it may always have issues with strangers?
Stallions are just as trainable as any other horse in the right hands. I had a stallion that I had gelded at 9 that had bred about 150 mares and 6 months after castrating him he was just like any other gelding. It's not the sex, it's the training.
Yes, consistency and calmness are key. I used to favor getting a nervy horse and watching it transform into a balanced state.
She strikes me as a horse that doesn't really like people 😂 or, like you said, "people" represent "work"
Recognize now how bad some horses I dealt with behaved on the ground. 😮
What if she doesn't back up except braces up against you?
Then you work on backing up.
Does she get dizzy?
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Here we go another video everyone thinking they are professionals. Just listen and take in whatever you think its useful using your knowledge thats at hand. If you dont like the video then dont watch or post a video of yourself of what you think its right.
Well yeah! She needs to be able to smell, check out her barn mates no bulling,
Why the hell you wearin’ spurs???
Spurs, why.......................
Happened to view your great training techniques. I know it's been a while, but her front feet are really unbalanced, i.e., pigeon toed. Hopefully, a farrier can correct this.
It looks as if she has gotten spoiled in-the past, and doesn’t respect the human.
"Break the skin"??? WTF
My horse kicks me in her stall what do I do then
You have let your horse's bad behavior get dangerous. You need to get a local trainer to help you with her before someone gets hurt.
She started by saying, I don't know you, and you are in my space, leave me alone. I feel you did not establish a dialogue so she knew you understood her, THEN establish the rules. I know you are doing a video with limited time, but it takes time to stablish trust and respect.
That way of thinking is what keeps be busy with a backlog of aggressive horses that owners can't manage. As long as people keep thinking that way, I will have plenty of work correcting the problems they create.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I did not mean to insult you. My horses are not aggressive and show respect. But I had the time to put into them myself.
I realise when you help others you don't have unlimited time and I do not know the circumstances.
I too demand respect and space, and like you also watch body language and signals, all I meant was in the begining with my own horses, I also established trust with my horses by letting them know I saw their stress and unwillingness, and responded accordingly. I am also not saying you don't. It was an observation.
Is this a disrespectful horse???????
You have to Earn her RESPECT. This is more bullying. She doesnt understand this kind of body language is all about. I would kick him out. This horse seems Nice.
Stop blaming the horse. Many are treated as slaves, beaten, abused, asked for more than they should be.Learn about horse psychology, not 'breaking' horses.
If I were a horse, I’d come to you right away so you can say to me, “good girl” and give me an apple or carrot too.🥰
Then I’d follow you everywhere.☺️
Very good video but I am just so into bonding with a horse before you do any of this stuff.
There's not sense in this.
The horse is misgendered. It is a male horse.
I Hate this backwards punishment. Horses shall Always think Forward. You are not a "Leader". Horses would yank and Bully around around. You should loose some weight too. I get pissed on abuse.
Where are your videos to show how it is done correctly? It's easy to shout at others where you have no proof on how it should be done 😂😂😂😂you are downright rude in any comments I've read of yours. I doubt if you have ever seen a real horse in life 😂
Lol, that horse is my spirit animal...guys always expecting me somehow to come to them and then they get the butt turn. 😅
You didnt show up with any treats to give her a reason to come to her in the first place.
Its also how i greet people when they come for a visit...i open the door and walk off...
You don't train 1200 lb animals with treats or you create a nipping & biting problem & encourage food aggression issues.. Treats are earned. Pressure & release are far more effective rewards.