I only heard because of Kellie J... Thanks for interviewing. I think Sall can't lose.. if she loses in law, the public will finally wake up and kick the whole woke establishment out of power worldwide
Wonderful interview. I’m grateful for videos like this. Makes me feel sane. My friends and family are either all in on gender ideology or they’re too afraid to say anything for fear of being transphobic. Such a sad state of affairs. My political beliefs have changed very little in the past fifteen years yet I find left wing media utterly unrelatable these days. It’s a sobering reminder not to become complacent in our politics.
I’m Australian and support Sall 100%! I’ve donated to her crowd fund to pay for her legal fees, estimated to be around $500,000.00. Another ludicrous thing about this case Tickle v Giggle is that as a taxpayer I’m paying for Roxanne Tickle’s legal fees as his legal fees are being paid by the Government! I’ve written to my local MP asking why Tickle’s legal fees are being paid by the taxpayer and yet Sall has had to crowdfund. I’m waiting for the response!
At the 18 minute mark she hits the nail on the head. The problem is the LEGAL recognition of these people as a different sex. I DGAF how they dress, or if they want to wear make up, or even get a boob job if that's what makes them happy. But nations should NOT change drivers' licenses or birth certificates.
The reason behind changing sex legally was to protect trans people from having to constantly be discriminated against for being trans when doing things like opening bank accounts, being pulled over for speeding by police, applying for jobs i.e things for which being trans is not usually relevent. If governments and society had done more to ensure that trans people were not discriminated against in their every day it would not have been necessary. Now it is and this is the consequence. Women are being harassed in their day to day by narcissists like Tickle and regular trans people are suffering blow back from the actions of people like Tickle.
@@Catmac2000 Good luck with that, if all documents including the birth certificate are altered. I would not want to be in those doctor's shoes, as the trans maniacs are likely to sue them afterwards for any mistakes that were made due to lack of accurate information.
The majority of heterosexual men who identify as women are AGP which is a fetish. The chances of that man being a fetishist is incredibly high on top of that he calls himself Roxy Tickle, that's a fetishists name if ever I heard one
@@connor5669 Obviously assuming, because these people find the worst of the worst within the trans community or someone who just looks trans, but neither trans nor cis people are clean from having no criminals or fetishists or whatever, the only difference is, if one or a few exist within the trans community it will be used and projected on all of us, which is so stupid and inhumane to do. We don't do this with cis people or non-marginalized groups.
I’m an Australian (Queenslander like Sall) woman, and I never counted myself as a feminist at any point in my life…until the trans issue that is. I will be standing with Sall, her bravery is so inspiring! Thank you Andrew for this interview!
Hello from a USA radical feminist and welcome! Ha. Are you aware of Germaine Greer? She is a brilliant Aussie and I highly recommend her talks on this issue and feminism in general.
Andrew, I've been watching you since you started where you mainly focused on religious cults. I'm so glad that you began covering this particular secular cult, recognize it as one and are one of the sane ones.
That is because they would die. Trans people live long enough and are desperate enough to fork over multiple 10s of thousands of dollars on a delusional obsession. They are a Capitalist's wetdream. The whole GAC model is basically the textbook way all cosmetic surgeon's operate - the customer is always right as long as their money is green. They aren't treating these people with the same seriousness as people with real illnesses. I think they have "rationalized" that they are helping people - but as much as a doctor is helping a porn star getting bigger T---s. If they really took any of this seriously they would have been doing follow up care and conducting rigorous safety studies. But they don't, they haven't. They care so little about them once their 💰 is made.
So Blaire White should rather live as a dude? Or do you just mean that insurance shouldn't cover any procedures? A bunch of creeps abusing newly opened avenues does not negate the existence of trans-people.
except these men don't even have gender identity disorder. A closer analogy would be to say that if someone weighs 300 lbs and eats all the time, but thinks they are anorexic who is too skinny, then we all tell that 300 lbs person that they are too skinny and they need to eat more, and they are skinny like a fashion model..and then hire that person as a runway model.
I’ve suffered with eating disorders my whole adult life, even now at 46 I find it hard to talk about it. I’ve been force fed, I’ve tried everything but I can never really be 100% free of my fear of food and weight gain. It’s psychological for me, it’s an unshakable habit that’s always there. Therapy and medication has helped me somewhat accept what I am and that I can never be what I want. I live each as it comes, some are hard, most are great. These men need help and need to find acceptance through therapy or whatever, not force others to accept them
They can make you believe that it is OK for a child to believe that it is a dog, a tree, a rock, or that Santa Claus exists. If you deny, then you will be punished.
I lived in transitional housing, women only, loaded with women who had been abused by men in the worst ways (sex trafficking included), and in some cases for extended periods of time. Shared house, shared kitchen, bathrooms, hallways; your own room, simple lock. A trans woman lived there, which I was all for at first. However, she had anger issues and far more testosterone and sense of privilege than the rest of us. Several of the women in the house were terrified of "her." And she used it: when angered, suddenly the man's voice would come out. Suddenly, there was a man there, screaming, hitting, and terrorizing; all from a person who was physically stronger, more aggressive, and a natural born man with issues. There were women there who were afraid to ever come out of their rooms. All of this in a house that was designed to be a safe haven for women, many of them recovering from abuse, and even more of whom did not feel safe with "her" there.
It's extremely disconcerting in today's world when women who have gone through DV and/or trafficking are terrified to even go to a so called safe place they call women shelters because they are often allowing men in them now. Why can't they make separate safe houses for those men instead of invading women's safe spaces. It leaves many traumatized women no place safe to go to at all. This is insanity the world is losing it as a whole it seems.
My dear, these non women are in EVERY lesbian, fb group, real life group, lesbian bar, female club etc. I had a dance exercise class in my village for women. It's was a class to increase self confidence of women. The trans person complained that he should be allowed to come to our class. The council said he had to be allowed. All the other women left because they felt their space was corrupted and that was the end of my business!
I was imagining the sole man was left alone. But wow so sorry about your business. I would have left too though without knowing the repercussion against the business owner. Not against you obviously. Perhaps your customers were unaware too? Im sure its not easy to open a new business. Easier said than done. I really hope you have a good ending to this. It infuriates me. Really. I wish you the best of luck. If more women knew im sure they would support you.
@@ellehan3003 Thank you for your kind words. Yes, basically most of what i like to do is centred around support for women. Now i run beauty classes and meet ups at my house where no one can force me to include men dressed as women. But most of the council run spaces do not allow "women only" groups that exclude men in dresses etc. So imagine if i wanted to use the councils hall to run a relationship counselling class for women, i would have to allow men in dresses to attend. What woman wants to open up her issues in front of a man? Not many.
And a man is a biological man we should add here. These debates only ever seem to get coverage when they affect women. We need to have equal standards if we want the world to be less bonkers. So women (biological or otherwise) should equally stay out of men's football.
I was in a park across from a woman’s shelter , a trans started to beat all the woman and female staff. The cops took them away. An hour later the trans came back and started again. Seriously very disturbing.
@@bernadettesavage4786 The point of that argument is never understood, just as you demonstrated. There are MEN who LIE about being "TRANS" to access women only spaces. The argument isn't "some (trans women) are dangerous". The entire point is sick men will take advantage of women in spaces where other men are not allowed. And those sick men will take advantage of a "trans loophole".
@@mr.mclibtard5015 I think the argument is that no mentally stable or healthy man would want to go into a women’s bathroom because they have self awareness and recognize it as a violation of a boundary. As Helen Joyce put it, women know the most dangerous men are the ones that have no problem transgressing women’s boundaries. By insisting that they are real women and, therefore, should have the right to use female only spaces trans identifying males are demonstrating that they are precisely the kind of men who should never be in those spaces in the first place.
@@mr.mclibtard5015 The research (high quality) done on this shows that the vast majority of M to F transitioners are sexual fetishists. Until the trans lobby accepts this, then these men are trans, meaning it is a problem. Your argument doesn't work in a world where anyone who claims to be trans must be accepted as such.
The world has gone absolutely mad. We support you Sal, all the way! Thank you for standing up for real women & protecting our rightful & safe spaces😊✌️🇬🇧🩵
Please don't, not everyone is mad or bad, there are still good people out there. It just seems social media and MSM focus on the madness & badness cos it sells headlines🤷♀️
In order for the world to be fully sane again we need 1) safe spaces for real women, 2) places where men can go and just be men uninterrrupted and with no women around (this means no more female commentators on men's footy), and 3) we need to send anyone who is gender-confused to get proper medical assistence.
How did you feel when women were campaigning against male only clubs etc? What about companies that don't want to hire women? Is freedom of association all good now, or only the bits your group benefits from?
I seriously hope that Sal wins this case. She has to, we (biological females) have to have safe spaces where they can connect with other females without fear of being harrased, stalked, or abused.
Good point. JKR is a powerhouse and they are both on the same page. I’d be surprised if JKR has not heard about Tickle v Giggle - the name alone will be enough click bait. I also think Tickle will be supported by powerhouse trans activists with LOTS of money.
@@blondie4I wish JKR would take a page out of Jeff bezo’s game plan. Jeff paid secretly for hulk hogans entire legal battle against grinder just so he could get grinder shit down. It worked. No one knew Jeff paid the entire bill until well after grinder had to shut down. This is how billionaires can actually HELP society directly and in my opinion they should. It is their moral obligation to.
Doomed case. Women sued to gain access to men's clubs decades ago, this is no different. Short sighted, selfish feminists did this and now it's biting them in the arse.
she did the wrong thing can not win under our law - other wise she committed fraud - she took money for a service from a person and then refused service based on personal choice - if she had never let her on to the app in the first place would be none event
Isn't it bad when I want to applaud this woman for defending what being a woman is!!! She is definitely brave and amazing but the fact we have to even have this discussion is mad!!! This world has gone insane. Xxx
@@gemmajackson5446 Well I don't agree with many things she said. I do agree that there needs to be spaces where only females should be allowed. I absolutely disagree with her saying that men who are Trans and become women are really men with fetishes. The evidence is clear that the large majority of offenses against women are committed straight males. This commentary is painting Trans women as freaks and making them targets for violence. They already face much higher verbal and physical abuse compared to the general population.
Not shocked, feminist set the precedents for this from the boy scouts to every other male space that men use to have, they are paying the price for their past actions.
Sal is doing the whole world a massive service and getting nothing but grief for it! I’ve contributed 3 times to the crowd fund and hope to add more! Thank you 🙏
At 41 I am simultaneously utterly devastated and awestruck about our current (circus) circumstance. Devastated because I know the world I knew is gone forever, and I have been turned into a villain for my opinions. Awestruck because this trans/queer/woke cult is so powerful and they don’t need logical reason for any actions they take. I have personally seen what this does to children. They have no backbone, they can’t stand up for themselves because of the consequences of thinking for themselves.
Yes sadly infighting of yin and yang Opposite forces male female Opposition by a minority....... bullying a majority of people to tow their line ....Is Creating harm to many lives in negative ways . Get over the goddess power gender trip of bitch slap scratch and words of justice By being a team of misogynists who hate woman because they will never be able to know truly 💯 What it is to be a female............to be born without a penis Penis is effectively male .
@@MultiLlewis Quite right. It's misogyny either way...whether it shows up in a wife beater tee or a dress. It's the same disregard for women.....just in a different wrapper.
And now Sall Grover has lost the case! This story is totally insane. The deliberate, vindictive and mendacious strategy to undermine this female space is an absolute disgrace and the fact it is a case against females being funded by the Australian taxpayer is a constitutional outrage.
Roxy is female says so on her birth certificate - need to get the true facts not take what is in the press as a true fact - go read the court documents its a real eye opener- just because Sally wants to call someone a transgender dose not make them transgender
@@barberton3695 High Court of Australian - and lost big time - in the eyes of the law Roxy Tickle is female says so on her birth certificate - like the Olympics female boxing all over again - what happens when you think someone is trans therefore they must be.
Imagine going somewhere where you knew it was female only, trying to get on anyway, then taking the person who had explained that it was women-only, to court for damages for the hurt you brought on yourself.
I think you just described “identifying as a woman” in general. Why do it if everyone ignores you and you can’t score points? After all these are men so they’re going to tend to display typically male traits - aggression, competitiveness, etc rather than more typical female traits - wanting to fit in, not taking up space etc. I know everyone’s a mixture, but in general these differences exist. If there were no differences how could someone claim to feel like a woman? It would just be the same. They claim to feel like a woman, then they act like a man about it.
There NEVER were female only places - the harems had EUNUCH watchmen and nunneries still needed a priest (and the Roman Catholic Church ONLY allows male priests). Picture does not suffice, you need a genetic sample to decide (y-people are out) and if it is YOUR app, you should also be the bouncer for the people who are on it. It would be insane to sue me for NOT dating anyone - a "no" is a "no" AND I am married anyway, so someone forcing me to date, would be intruding into my marriage. But if I were single THIS would intrude into my privacy. Emotional blackmail is the worst redflag against the person doing it. Sex is not the same as gender - for the "undecided people" some countrys have created a third option: male, female, diverse (sports is still lacking THIS). Good luck to get us all back to a sane world !👍 again
Eunuchs obviously lose their masculinity from being castrated. It affects their behaviour as well. Nunneries are presided by a mother superior, a priest will only visit occasionally.
@@Catmac2000To destroy someone’s livelihood, put them under humongous stress and waste tax payers money on a court case is unbelievably entitled and arrogant. To achieve what? Oh that’s right… probably (but hopefully not) a massive payout and a lot of attention! I do hope the judge isn’t woke. 😢
I just got a pop-up from youtube telling me I'm leaving hate speech comments and if I keep doing it my channel could be terminated or I'll lose my ability to comment. What I said was not hate speech, I promise that. It's already 1984.
@@geraldbrooks8507Yeah that was always what happened before this. I suspected my account was flagged for extra scrutiny, my comments would always disappear. Now I have the proof that I'm actually being censored.
It's ironic that, as Sall says, Australia is five years behind the UK on this subject when the Australian feminist legend Germaine Greer was one of the first people to speak out (if in the UK) about the women's rights abuse of men identifying into female spaces etc and to get cancelled for her courage. If we'd had Greer as the first female PM of Australia instead of Gillard Australia would likely be five years ahead of the UK and I doubt the TQ cult would have gotten a hold there or perhaps anywhere else. Listen to the feminists, folks, the real ones, that is. Grover is the new Greer. Love your work, Sall. I've got everything crossed that you prevail against Tickle. Excellent interview, Andrew. Thanks.
I don’t think anyone will ever be the new Greer - but I know what you’re saying, and completely agree. It is so hard to comprehend how we’ve ended up in this dystopian nightmare. ‘The Female Eunuch’ was first published in 1970. A forward was added to the 21st anniversary edition - Germaine Greer said: “𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙄 𝙥𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙮 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙜𝙤 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙖 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣, 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙜𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙣𝙤𝙗𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣, 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙪𝙩𝙚 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙙. 𝙁𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙧𝙪𝙣, 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙩, 𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙡𝙤𝙪𝙙𝙡𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙠𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙨 𝙖𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩. 𝙁𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙤𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙨𝙬𝙞𝙢𝙨, 𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙨, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙬𝙡𝙨 𝙪𝙥𝙤𝙣 𝙞𝙩 ... 𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙛𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙙, 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙝𝙪𝙣𝙜𝙧𝙮, 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙢𝙪𝙩𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙤𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙛𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨, 𝙢𝙖𝙨𝙠𝙚𝙙, 𝙢𝙪𝙯𝙯𝙡𝙚𝙙, 𝙢𝙪𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙗𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙣.” To think, that was 32 years ago. Enough is enough.
Germaine Greer was involved in the Australian Push as a young woman. I once knew a man who was also involved in The Push as a young man. He concluded it was an excuse for men to have sex.
Yep indeed. They're also cowards...in my case anyway... didn't even have the balls to discuss the subject. But of course they're also so cowardly that they'd never admit that....😂😂😂😂😂
This case is crazy, scary how we barely have heard about this in bar one article on abc in Australia. Wish Sall the best of luck. Would be my choice as a heretic form what i’ve followed so far. Crazy the lengths she has had to go for this, must be very tiring and stressful!
There was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald this week and a segment on Channel 10's The Project. All the articles I have seen on Australian media this week have been reasonably balanced as far as not taking sides goes, but they don't report even a tiny fraction of what Sall Grover has been subjected to. One good thing is that they are all publishing pictures of Roxanne Tickle, so at least the public can work out for themselves that this is a man demanding access to a women only space.
Been a long time before we have heard about it. Just seen the project speech after i posted it. But sall and tickles case has been in action for over two years. Insane that a challenge like this has been so quiet. Glad we are finally being made aware!
It's so helpful that these people are interviewed here. I've learned so much from listening to these people who are protecting the rights of women. Good interview!
I used to be more left on the social issues....now I think the left is socially stunted. They're trying too hard to be so inclusive that they pushed women out. I can't believe there are actually people going along with this bs. It's too much!
Well, left and right is about how you interpret "the truth" and what consequences/lessons etc you take from it. Denying that is like denying another truth. There is no truth without you having a connecion to it and drawing your decisions from it.
I have noticed that many are trying to not make this mistake of using "me" when it should be "I" in something like "My mom and I", but now they are using "I" every time, even when it should be "me". Like "Steve told my mum and I..." or "it dropped on Jimmy and I" it drives me nuts! The Depp V Heard trial was FULL of this grammatical overcorrection.
@@kayjay7585 Many people don't know the correct rule for when to use 'I' but I guess at the end of the day as long as we understand each other correctly then communication has been effective. And effective communication is everything.
@@sammillar3561 speaking for myself, of course there were so many more important points. At the same time, it is wonderful to hear grammatically correct euphonious English.
🇦🇺Another Queenslander 🇦🇺 and she’s the heroine we need. I hope they make a movie of this epic drama to give weight to your struggles for vulnerable women internationally who rely on being protected. Imagine being pregnant and having to deal with this bs?! They have ruined your life on the basis of sex and that’s what sexism is (ironically you could do with your own app for support). Disgusting our media won’t report on this.
I can't imagine the courage going through this requires, I'm full of admiration for Sal, and I'll certainly give all that I can spare to support her. This is so much bigger and more important than a court case. This is history.
At last, someone is pointing out that there is no discussion about what is a man, or trans men in mens sport. It's always about trans women, which makes the whole thing deeply sexist.
Sorry but this is self inflicted. Decades ago feminists brought cases against men's clubs to force them to allow women in. Now the same precedent is being used against women's clubs. Selfish, short sighted harridans did this and now it's biting them in the arse
This can't work only in one direction. You're losing safe spaces. Well how many spaces have men had to also give up in our collective insane push for equality in the western world? The fact that women say they need safe spaces means they recognise they are not equal and the same as men, we are both indeed different. In order for women to get spaces for them to be safe, it shouldn't be too much to ask that women eff off out of men's football as commentators for example. Fair's fair and all that...
@@elementgypsy Maybe you should have thought of that when you insisted on men not being allowed ANY male-only space citing "discrimination". And regarding abortion, men are not allowed to have ANY say beyond having sex, whereas women have the "morning after pill", the ability to give the child up for adoption, etc. etc. - i.e. plenty of options to reject parenthood (despite more people willing to adopt than there are babies up for adoption, so why kill if there's plenty of people happy to take the child?!?). So why, when men are denied ANY ability to reject parenthood beyond having sex, should women have the ability to have the child KILLED, in some places up to the moment of birth?!? As women keep saying when men complain about this inequality, "they should have kept their pants on". If this can be said of men, it should also be said of women. "When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression".
you havbe the wrong man if you dont feel safe. my woman feels very safe and sleeps well knowing this. im not from there though. i was talking to a woman from there and im watching this to see her pov
What I want to know is, if it's against Oz human rights to `offend' a trans man, then why are the human rights of the women-born-as-women on Giggle not equally recognised and respected? Sounds like one rule for the trans population, and another for real women.
It's an agenda driven to erase women and any rights they have been given in past fifty years. It's bizarre on the face of it but it shows the dark side of social media and how something new can be ended before it gets through the gate. I would research Iain Gilchrist (left brain has taken over the world).
Because the Gillard government changed the instrument of law to replace sex discrimination with gender. Sex is no longer a protected characteristic in anti discrimination legislation in Australia. This case is being fought on the basis that the Australian law is not consistent its international commitments.
Oh no, it’s perfectly fair. If you won’t call them what they want to be called, you’re transphobic. And if you don’t like being called what they want to call you, you’re transphobic.
I have been looking for this info since long ago. Edit: no, no, no, who in the WHO first decided and proclaimed what a woman identity is? That's what I need to know.
How is the first time Ive heard about this? She is an astonishingly good speaker. You have some superb guests. Always manage to dug out some good ones.
This is a fight for us all: WOMEN! I was born with ovaries and uterus. I have a menstrual cycle. I gave birth to a child (ok, not every woman can do that). My breasts fed a child for 2 years. Only a WOMAN can do that.
Also, any woman who lives long enough will experience menopause but NO man will EVER experience menopause regardless of his so called “gender identity”.
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 Making what claim? Women were minding our own business until everything was imposed on us. We had status quo and systems based on iterative improvements due to centuries of experience. If people want to change it, they need to prove a need to.
which need? the need for a safe space away from men? your grandmother fought to do away with those, claiming that she was just as strong and able as they and should be allowed therefore to leave the safe space. There still exists at my local train station a sign above an area that translates to "ladies' waiting area" but it's off limits now because women of that era argued that it was discriminatory on the basis of sex. I would be all for protecting women and giving them back their own roll in society. But we're fighting against a century of feminist action from the left and internalisation from the right.
@@BalthasarCarduelis You seemed to have missed the point of the majority of feminism which is to to seen as equal, not the same. And both my grandmothers would have hit a man with a handbag for going into women's spaces. Coming from a long line of feminists, I don't know of anyone who was arguing to put women at greater risk, they were just fighting against the behaviours of others which caused the need. In any case, whatever our forebears thought or fought for, it isn't an excuse for men to punish present day women living in present day circumstances by putting us in greater danger in a more dangerous society.
@@MarthaAnthony I understand the point of the rhetoric of equality. Unfortunately, the rhetoric and the reality just never lined up. Feminism has been so cruel to women, and watching each generation take the logic of the rhetoric to the next progression unto logical conclusion has left each previous generation aghast. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Brilliant! My last time before leaving my family visit in Scotland to go home to Australia, watching Heretics live and at a normal hour of the day! Off to see Graham Linehan in Australia while you talk to an Aussie in the UK. Hope the Giggle space is allowed to be female only - can’t believe it’s even subject to argument.
hey just fyi, this is the type of woman that your other guests would call an ardent gender critical person - the type of person that doesn’t entertain pronouns and doesn’t entertain the concept of true trans. but do you see how BALANCED and logical she is? it’s super annoying how others in this movement are calling people like her absolutists.
Exactly! And if she did start using “she” for Roxy it would make the whole thing sound ridiculous and she’d technically be lying in court…I used to think misgendering was a bit cruel but now I think it’s absolutely crucial otherwise women literally can’t defend themselves…
Am I understanding the theory correctly, that if men wear women's clothes and wear makeup; they Become a woman...., or do they need to think it too? Perhaps there is some incantation required on a full moon.....? So, how does this explain how most women in the western world own and wear trousers and jeans and (horror of all horrors) often do not wear makeup? Do they then Become a man due to that, or would they have to do the opposite incantation? I am so glad those women who fought for the right to vote are not around to see this madness become reality. I dream of all those in power who support such nonsense will one day be held to account and even jailed. Unfortunately, most in power are all too familiar with the concept of lies. This is just one of the greatest whoppers of all time.
@@RaptorFromWeegeelol cis-women.... Educated on what... Their biological reality, by men who desire to emulate them with cosmetic surgeries? Ohh yeeah cause a man knows what a woman is and feels like by pure observation. Make the world a favor and unalive yourself for us.
@@RaptorFromWeegeeLmao you weirdo. Most people don't accept this crap nor they ever will. Our bodies can tell the difference even when forced to try not to. Transwomen are men
Hi Sall 👋 Fellow Aussie and Gold Coaster here! I came across your case last week and put it on X tagging Andrew in my post, then I saw his RUclips post on RUclips about 5 minutes later saying he’d interviewed you for Hereticss! I was so excited to hear about your case from you personally. I’m absolutely disgusted with Julia Gillard for passing a law that threw women under the bus! We didn’t even vote her in if you remember 😂 I ll be following you to watch for a decision on your case. Hopefully Giiggle will be triumphant! I’m so happy this is going to court. Women need this win. Sky News Australia normally would talk about these issues! They usually laugh at the lefties 😂😂
Weird that this video only reaches me after 4 months when this is such an important topic! Thanks so much for lending Sall your 'stage' to speak at. I made sure to donate!
No, we will crowdfund and get her to the High Court. The Sex Discrimination Act is based on CEDAW, which defines women as female (not based on a feeling). A representative of the UN has submitted documents to the court to that effect. The Constitutional change in 2013 goes directly against the intention of CEDAW and the previous definitions of men and women in the Constitution. Also, sex as a protected class outweighs gender identity by which sections they are dealt with. Grover's case apparently has a lot of weight in terms of repealing harmful constitutional changes which adversely affect the safety of, and discriminate against, women and girls.
No don't let your heart break! A decision against Sal means we all have to put our big girl pants on and stop letting others battle for us. Everyone joins the fight for truth and justice
I shared it on my Facebook feed. Bold move, I know. 0 likes. Two ppl private messaged me (Australian male friends). One of them called Sal a transphobe. 🙄 It's like common sense has left the world and ppl are afraid to speak up. I don't care anymore.
Fascinating interview. I first saw Sall on Louise Perry’s podcast. When she said that she had to check herself and see that she hadn’t been captured by an ideology, this parallels the gaslighting experienced by victims of narcissists.
I am embarrassed, as a man, that there are so many men who want to get into women's only spaces for ANY reason. It's so obnoxious, insulting, gross, and sometimes just mean.
Great interview!! Although she didn't want anything to do with this issue publicly, there is no women better to fight this out in court than a down to earth, natural, Aussie women/mum. Specially being a new mum of a daughter. Best of luck.to her, regardless of outcome she's already a hero for sanity in society 👍
Great interview Andrew & Sall It’s a disgrace that no journalist will cover Sall’s story in Australia 🇦🇺 our country has been captured by trans ideology #istandwithsall
KUDOS!, Andrew. You are incredibly courageous to tackle this controversial subject. I consider myself open minded but this crap about Trans. Women forcing themselves into biological women’s space is appalling to me. I’ll never forget the smug look on Lea Thomson’s, ( spelling ) face when HE won the college woman’s swimming competition and expected to go to the next Olympics,( thankfully he was banned) Anyway, keep up the great work. I love you Andrew , and I’ll be her friend, I’m on Team Sall!
He didn't even win though, it was a draw. So he wasn't good enough for the mens team & got beaten by a real woman anyway😂 But yes, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying🙂✌️
@@emilyemily444 Yes, you're right, it was a draw but I think it's worth remembering that he still took a place in the ranking thereby pushing a woman out. I would have to check but I think the distress of the young woman who lost out by one ranking became one of the several factors that motivated Riley Gaines to fight against transwomen in women's sport and spaces.
Andrew, at 8:45, you say it's difficult to imagine a man deciding to bring down a woman's app. This is what's called misogyny! And its what drives trans activists, and all that other predatory entitled behaviour Sall describes.
@@DJRockford83that was because in those only men places many important decisions were made that affected society, politics and economics. It was not because of a fetish or because women demanded to be men. Women wanted to take part in the public matters. Don't try to twist reality, you know this is men's fault.
Between February 2021 and September 2021, the Applicant enjoyed full access to the app’s features and used the app to read content posted by other users.
I hope you win your case. I am an Intersex person that has transitioned to more feminine. I am not a woman. I am not a man. I am what I am and that is all that I am. Great talk, love your series.
Well said. People are not binary in their gender identity, and that goes for everybody. Our society is run in a binary way and puts people in a box. I don't understand why some non binary people want to conform to an identity box. If there was less pressure to conform it would be better for everyone. Allot of male/femail people do not want to conform either. If there was more tolerance and more spaces for those who are non binary physically or internally, then I don't think there would be so much conflict.
@@philcooper2408 I was born female, I worked in construction, climbed mountains, played football. I'm still a female and I would never question that. But if you want to deal in stereotypes to make a point, you will remain in an extremely narrow way of thinking.
You make three claims, the first being contradictory to the second and the third. You claim: to be an hermaphrodite; to not be male; and to not be female. An hermaphrodite is both male and female, not neither male nor female. Your claims are analogous to: the paint is purple; the paint is not red, the paint is not blue. No, the paint is purple, that means that the paint is both red and blue at the same time. Anyways, I get what you mean. And here's how to say what you mean more precisely.
@@outoforbit00 yes my comment is messy and misleading. I meant to say most people do not fit neatly into gender stereotypes. I am male but never fitted traditional male role. What I was saying is why should I have to fit in a narrow definition of male or female. Why should anyone? When I used the word binary I meant it in the sense of only 2 choices. Bit confusing
@@BalthasarCarduelis my comment is totally confusing, you are right. I meant society is mostly run where most things are red or blue I meant to say that everyone has Thier own colour. My identity is more purple but I feel societal pressure to confform to red or blue. I was advocating that society becomes more purple and less defined
I love this woman! Sall Grover, I stand with you ... and agree that this world has gone mad. I can't help thinking that Tickle is a narcissist/r*pist who can't handle being told NO and will bully, force and intimidate his way in.
Sall is absolutely right about the main stream media in Australia not picking up the most important legal case of our decade. And the ones who show a little interest paint Sall out to be a mean and hateful person. Tickle is a MAN - he was born a man and he will die a MAN, what he does in between life and death is his business, but do not impose his will on that of females.
You can’t compare race and sex. Race segregation is wrong because every race is part of the human community therefore we are human regardless of our race. Sex is a clear binary separation within the human community and each seperate sex has some qualities that are unique to that binary. That includes safety and privacy. This current trans activist narrative is disturbing.
Well there's power imbalance still about race. That why there's also still a need for black only etc spaces. Any group which is discriminated against needs their own groups - like disabled people etc.
Not what I was getting at, but ok. I disagree with the need for any space catering to one race only. We, as humans are the same, regardless of race. There should be a "no asshat" space for humans to go. Not implying anything by that, just that we are all humans and every culture has their fair share of undesirables. We should be safe together, and the only ones not welcome are the aforementioned asshats. On the other hand, the 2 sexes need their own spaces for physical safety and mental well-being when they need it. Women only and men only. It's not rocket science. Edit: the asshat comment was not directed towards you. It's actually nice to bear able to have a conversation and hear more sides and opinions other than my own 😊
'We don't know which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones' exactly, and as young girls we are taught to be cautious around strange boys and men and for good reason. I don't want to be in any space where I'm vulnerable around a man who is a stranger to me.
Sal, you could have walked away with your tail between your legs & shut up-but you are fighting for all of us at your own expense. THANK YOU from an Aussie Mum xxx
Humoring and validating the attention-seeking of a whole gaggle of social-media addicted narcissists has led to this insanity. All this time and energy pissed away on a fraction of a percent of the overall population, when we have so many problems that actually need to be focused on. People that are comfortable in their own skin aren't constantly seeking attention, and they don't go out of their way to bully and threaten others if they don't get their regular validation fix.
I find it interesting that we refer to trans people using their treatment method as their title, it would be like calling a person with depression as a Sertraline.
Shame on you Tickle ! I want Giggle back. Australian media what are you doing? I’m ashamed to be an Australian woman. Sall Grover is right you are my hero.
Only recently discovered youtube content on this case - I don't know how the case is looking or anything about Aussie law but in full support of Giggle. I do also feel for those born with gender disphoria just trying to transition in adulthood and move on with life peacefully and discreetly, as unfortunately those people are suffering too with the backlash; but the outrageous activist cult and medical malpractice needs to be stopped. Trans trenders need to be stood up to - they are harming both the people who's genuine condition they are appropriating, and they are harming women in numerous and serious ways. As a bisexual male the alphabet movement doesn't represent my views whatsoever - truly wish Sall the best with her case. Will look forward to the interview.
I have been close friends with a Male who considers themselves trans. About a month into our friendship I looked at him and said "Holy shit, You Are a Girl..." like, the thoughts, and reactions, and emotions "he" had toward a situation were NOT those of a man and their manner, ladylike. Not about "passing" either because he kinda doesn't... but he's a girl. Wildest thing.
@@jackfiercetree5205 I think it only seems wild because the avelanche of activists and trenders drown out the opinions of the relatively tiny actual trans population - who have to out themselves as trans to even have a public voice about it which is antithetical to what they need for their own mental wellbeing and comfort, sadly. It is the brain which is incorrect and not the body and dysphoric trans people who have had non-affirming therapy and could give informed consent to transition all seem to know this, and are totally based and horrified at what's being done in their name. That's why I feel for people like your friend as much as I do the women in this situation - I hope your friend doesn't catch any fallout in their own lives from the activists trashing their reputation
53:49 in Victoria they banned conversation therapy for gender dysphoria. Psychiatrists are told they are to adopt the affirming care model only. Any other holistic approach is now deemed criminal. Many psychiatrists and medical professionals who disagree are refusing to take on these cases that involve children.
The Royal College of New Zealand and Australian Psychiatrists recently issued a position paper that state that "gender affirming care" is not the first choice of treatment for children.
@@francishooper9548yes, but if you look at the Royal children’s hospital Melbourne website they state they use gender affirming care for children over 3 and puberty blockers etc.. for teens. The medical profession in Australia are not listening .
@@Lollipop_Lexi Victoria bans gay conversion practices after 12-hour debate The bill will outlaw practices that seek to change or suppress a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity. The bill goes further than one passed in Queensland last year in that it prohibits harmful practices not only in healthcare settings but also in religious settings. This includes “carrying out a religious practice, including but not limited to, a prayer-based practice, a deliverance practice or an exorcism”. Faith groups have claimed the bill attacks religious freedom, while some medical professionals have raised concerns it could compromise the practice of psychiatry and psychotherapy.
Hey Andrew, worth noting that some comments are being taken down by RUclips. I haven't said anything any more controversial than what is already up. Thought you should know that your subs are being censored
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Another great interview. Heretics goes from strength to strength.
I will! Loved this interview! what an inteligent, brave, articulated and grounded lady!
I only heard because of Kellie J... Thanks for interviewing. I think Sall can't lose.. if she loses in law, the public will finally wake up and kick the whole woke establishment out of power worldwide
Yes and it will be a landmark (hope it will) because then the rest of the Western Countries will follow.
Wonderful interview. I’m grateful for videos like this. Makes me feel sane. My friends and family are either all in on gender ideology or they’re too afraid to say anything for fear of being transphobic. Such a sad state of affairs. My political beliefs have changed very little in the past fifteen years yet I find left wing media utterly unrelatable these days. It’s a sobering reminder not to become complacent in our politics.
I’m Australian and support Sall 100%! I’ve donated to her crowd fund to pay for her legal fees, estimated to be around $500,000.00. Another ludicrous thing about this case Tickle v Giggle is that as a taxpayer I’m paying for Roxanne Tickle’s legal fees as his legal fees are being paid by the Government!
I’ve written to my local MP asking why Tickle’s legal fees are being paid by the taxpayer and yet Sall has had to crowdfund. I’m waiting for the response!
@dalriada123 I'm Australian, too. I, too, am furious 🥵 that legal aid is paying for that MAN!
@@roseh1132I’ve been following the court case over the past few days and his lawyer referred to him as ‘he’. 🫢🫢🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@Dalriada123 i saw / heard that. That goes to show that we can’t control what our eyes perceive automatically
@@roseh1132I’ve been following the court case and his lawyer called him ‘he’. 🫢🫢🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@serenitynowyoloI had a ‘giggle’ at that (pun intended) 😉
At the 18 minute mark she hits the nail on the head. The problem is the LEGAL recognition of these people as a different sex. I DGAF how they dress, or if they want to wear make up, or even get a boob job if that's what makes them happy. But nations should NOT change drivers' licenses or birth certificates.
Julia Gillard and the Labor Government, thrown woman under the bus!!
The reason behind changing sex legally was to protect trans people from having to constantly be discriminated against for being trans when doing things like opening bank accounts, being pulled over for speeding by police, applying for jobs i.e things for which being trans is not usually relevent. If governments and society had done more to ensure that trans people were not discriminated against in their every day it would not have been necessary. Now it is and this is the consequence. Women are being harassed in their day to day by narcissists like Tickle and regular trans people are suffering blow back from the actions of people like Tickle.
If your in a car accident, rushed to hospital emergency, the doctors need to know what biological sex you are before they can proceed. Right?
Exactly! I agree 💯 %
@@Catmac2000 Good luck with that, if all documents including the birth certificate are altered. I would not want to be in those doctor's shoes, as the trans maniacs are likely to sue them afterwards for any mistakes that were made due to lack of accurate information.
It so bizarre that a male fetishist has been able to take a woman to court for such complete non-crimes .
How do you know about the trans woman's personal sex life? Or are you assuming?
The majority of heterosexual men who identify as women are AGP which is a fetish. The chances of that man being a fetishist is incredibly high on top of that he calls himself Roxy Tickle, that's a fetishists name if ever I heard one
Rox e tickles? That dude is a fetishist
@@connor5669 Obviously assuming, because these people find the worst of the worst within the trans community or someone who just looks trans, but neither trans nor cis people are clean from having no criminals or fetishists or whatever, the only difference is, if one or a few exist within the trans community it will be used and projected on all of us, which is so stupid and inhumane to do. We don't do this with cis people or non-marginalized groups.
@@connor5669 Safely assuming.
I’m an Australian (Queenslander like Sall) woman, and I never counted myself as a feminist at any point in my life…until the trans issue that is. I will be standing with Sall, her bravery is so inspiring! Thank you Andrew for this interview!
Hello from a USA radical feminist and welcome! Ha. Are you aware of Germaine Greer? She is a brilliant Aussie and I highly recommend her talks on this issue and feminism in general.
@@user-sm7pm1df3e Most of us older Aussie gals are big fans of our Germaine!
@@user-sm7pm1df3e there is a reason GG i not longer a citizen of Australia
What a coincidence that anti feminist Republicans also hate trans people. Maybe you're just a conservative??
Why not?
Being a feminist inst about anti-.en, a lot of people keep spreading this lie !
The meaning of this word got so warped by M and W alike....
Andrew, I've been watching you since you started where you mainly focused on religious cults. I'm so glad that you began covering this particular secular cult, recognize it as one and are one of the sane ones.
When we have an anorexic with body dysmporphic disorder, we don't offer them liposuction.
That is because they would die. Trans people live long enough and are desperate enough to fork over multiple 10s of thousands of dollars on a delusional obsession. They are a Capitalist's wetdream. The whole GAC model is basically the textbook way all cosmetic surgeon's operate - the customer is always right as long as their money is green. They aren't treating these people with the same seriousness as people with real illnesses. I think they have "rationalized" that they are helping people - but as much as a doctor is helping a porn star getting bigger T---s. If they really took any of this seriously they would have been doing follow up care and conducting rigorous safety studies. But they don't, they haven't. They care so little about them once their 💰 is made.
So Blaire White should rather live as a dude? Or do you just mean that insurance shouldn't cover any procedures?
A bunch of creeps abusing newly opened avenues does not negate the existence of trans-people.
except these men don't even have gender identity disorder. A closer analogy would be to say that if someone weighs 300 lbs and eats all the time, but thinks they are anorexic who is too skinny, then we all tell that 300 lbs person that they are too skinny and they need to eat more, and they are skinny like a fashion model..and then hire that person as a runway model.
If you are willing to pay them enough, I'll bet there are surgeons who would.
I’ve suffered with eating disorders my whole adult life, even now at 46 I find it hard to talk about it. I’ve been force fed, I’ve tried everything but I can never really be 100% free of my fear of food and weight gain. It’s psychological for me, it’s an unshakable habit that’s always there. Therapy and medication has helped me somewhat accept what I am and that I can never be what I want. I live each as it comes, some are hard, most are great. These men need help and need to find acceptance through therapy or whatever, not force others to accept them
"If they can make you believe a man is a woman, what else can they make you believe". Line of the century.
They can't MAKE you believe they can only force you to put up with it. We ALL know exactly how many genders there are.
If the party wills that two plus two equals five you would have to believe it. The alphabet crew are terrorists.
Usually people just quote Orwell directly rather than paraphrasing and pretending they came up with it themselves.
They can make you believe that it is OK for a child to believe that it is a dog, a tree, a rock, or that Santa Claus exists. If you deny, then you will be punished.
Welcome to 1984. But 2 + 2 still equals 4 for some of us!!! 🌿M
I live in Melbourne CBD and I do not buy into this ideology. I think it’s batshit. All thinking people think it’s insane. I stand with Sall Grover.
satan has their hands in this . like all in this sht
I lived in transitional housing, women only, loaded with women who had been abused by men in the worst ways (sex trafficking included), and in some cases for extended periods of time. Shared house, shared kitchen, bathrooms, hallways; your own room, simple lock. A trans woman lived there, which I was all for at first. However, she had anger issues and far more testosterone and sense of privilege than the rest of us. Several of the women in the house were terrified of "her." And she used it: when angered, suddenly the man's voice would come out. Suddenly, there was a man there, screaming, hitting, and terrorizing; all from a person who was physically stronger, more aggressive, and a natural born man with issues. There were women there who were afraid to ever come out of their rooms. All of this in a house that was designed to be a safe haven for women, many of them recovering from abuse, and even more of whom did not feel safe with "her" there.
Bingo
That is so messed up, and I’ve seen it in person, can’t say how. The powers that be, have really screwed up.
Don’t call it a her
Please stop with the “she” be real, it’s a he. A male. A man.
It's extremely disconcerting in today's world when women who have gone through DV and/or trafficking are terrified to even go to a so called safe place they call women shelters because they are often allowing men in them now.
Why can't they make separate safe houses for those men instead of invading women's safe spaces.
It leaves many traumatized women no place safe to go to at all. This is insanity the world is losing it as a whole it seems.
My dear, these non women are in EVERY lesbian, fb group, real life group, lesbian bar, female club etc. I had a dance exercise class in my village for women. It's was a class to increase self confidence of women. The trans person complained that he should be allowed to come to our class. The council said he had to be allowed. All the other women left because they felt their space was corrupted and that was the end of my business!
You did this to gay men first, now deal with it
@@ghfudrs93uuu lol your insane screeching all over these comments are a treat. You will remain forever alone.
I was imagining the sole man was left alone. But wow so sorry about your business. I would have left too though without knowing the repercussion against the business owner. Not against you obviously. Perhaps your customers were unaware too? Im sure its not easy to open a new business. Easier said than done. I really hope you have a good ending to this. It infuriates me. Really. I wish you the best of luck. If more women knew im sure they would support you.
This is so hideous. I’m so sorry to hear this.
@@ellehan3003 Thank you for your kind words. Yes, basically most of what i like to do is centred around support for women. Now i run beauty classes and meet ups at my house where no one can force me to include men dressed as women. But most of the council run spaces do not allow "women only" groups that exclude men in dresses etc. So imagine if i wanted to use the councils hall to run a relationship counselling class for women, i would have to allow men in dresses to attend. What woman wants to open up her issues in front of a man? Not many.
Love Sall, I donated to her fund to defend herself and all women, a woman is an adult human female, a trans woman is a biological man.
100% agree, and love & respect for donating to the GFM ❤ solidarity sister x
And a man is a biological man we should add here. These debates only ever seem to get coverage when they affect women. We need to have equal standards if we want the world to be less bonkers. So women (biological or otherwise) should equally stay out of men's football.
A male who identifies as a female is what I call a TRANS MALE. We should not be using their preferred language.
but that is not what the case is about
@@GrumpyFrogProductiondo explain girl
I was in a park across from a woman’s shelter , a trans started to beat all the woman and female staff. The cops took them away. An hour later the trans came back and started again. Seriously very disturbing.
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The point of that argument is never understood, just as you demonstrated.
There are MEN who LIE about being "TRANS" to access women only spaces.
The argument isn't "some (trans women) are dangerous".
The entire point is sick men will take advantage of women in spaces where other men are not allowed. And those sick men will take advantage of a "trans loophole".
@@mr.mclibtard5015 A man who wears women's clothing or self-identifies as a woman can't be 'lying' about being transgender.
@@mr.mclibtard5015 I think the argument is that no mentally stable or healthy man would want to go into a women’s bathroom because they have self awareness and recognize it as a violation of a boundary. As Helen Joyce put it, women know the most dangerous men are the ones that have no problem transgressing women’s boundaries. By insisting that they are real women and, therefore, should have the right to use female only spaces trans identifying males are demonstrating that they are precisely the kind of men who should never be in those spaces in the first place.
As the staff at the tavistok clinic said,there transing away the gay
@@mr.mclibtard5015 The research (high quality) done on this shows that the vast majority of M to F transitioners are sexual fetishists. Until the trans lobby accepts this, then these men are trans, meaning it is a problem.
Your argument doesn't work in a world where anyone who claims to be trans must be accepted as such.
The world has gone absolutely mad. We support you Sal, all the way! Thank you for standing up for real women & protecting our rightful & safe spaces😊✌️🇬🇧🩵
I've lost all faith in humanity over the last twenty years.
Please don't, not everyone is mad or bad, there are still good people out there. It just seems social media and MSM focus on the madness & badness cos it sells headlines🤷♀️
In order for the world to be fully sane again we need 1) safe spaces for real women, 2) places where men can go and just be men uninterrrupted and with no women around (this means no more female commentators on men's footy), and 3) we need to send anyone who is gender-confused to get proper medical assistence.
How did you feel when women were campaigning against male only clubs etc? What about companies that don't want to hire women?
Is freedom of association all good now, or only the bits your group benefits from?
@@stevem815 are women offering men free rent if they agree to walk around naked on rental aps?
Thank you Sal for standing up for women only spaces.
I seriously hope that Sal wins this case. She has to, we (biological females) have to have safe spaces where they can connect with other females without fear of being harrased, stalked, or abused.
That should be too obvious to even state.
Sal lost the case.
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Thanks Andrew I'm Australian and I had no idea about this situation. I hope JK Rowling finds out about this and financially helps her.
Good point. JKR is a powerhouse and they are both on the same page. I’d be surprised if JKR has not heard about Tickle v Giggle - the name alone will be enough click bait. I also think Tickle will be supported by powerhouse trans activists with LOTS of money.
JK is already aware of the case and has tweeted support for Sall.
@tansysmith5126 if this is your real name are you Brett's sister? If so, is he ok. I haven't seen him in about 30 years but we were close for a while.
@@blondie4I wish JKR would take a page out of Jeff bezo’s game plan. Jeff paid secretly for hulk hogans entire legal battle against grinder just so he could get grinder shit down. It worked. No one knew Jeff paid the entire bill until well after grinder had to shut down. This is how billionaires can actually HELP society directly and in my opinion they should. It is their moral obligation to.
Sall has to win this landmark case…women around the world need her to win! 🤦🏻♀️
Doomed case. Women sued to gain access to men's clubs decades ago, this is no different. Short sighted, selfish feminists did this and now it's biting them in the arse.
she will, it may take time but womens rights won't be lost as we fight back
she did the wrong thing can not win under our law - other wise she committed fraud - she took money for a service from a person and then refused service based on personal choice - if she had never let her on to the app in the first place would be none event
What are you talking about Grumpy frog?
@@Lirree88 she took money for a service from a person and then refused service based on her personal choice
Isn't it bad when I want to applaud this woman for defending what being a woman is!!! She is definitely brave and amazing but the fact we have to even have this discussion is mad!!! This world has gone insane. Xxx
the case is not about about what is a women its a about taking money by deception
The federal court decided it was in the general interest to allow a case about money to go ahead?
@@scottwhat3362 yes because it about money - not about what people thin it is
@@gemmajackson5446 Well I don't agree with many things she said. I do agree that there needs to be spaces where only females should be allowed. I absolutely disagree with her saying that men who are Trans and become women are really men with fetishes. The evidence is clear that the large majority of offenses against women are committed straight males. This commentary is painting Trans women as freaks and making them targets for violence. They already face much higher verbal and physical abuse compared to the general population.
This MAN won the case today!! Absolute JOKE of a world we live in. Appeal Sall! Don't stand down to these maniacs!!
Oh god, its terrible to read this! I was really hoping she would win. Insanity rules it seems!
Not shocked, feminist set the precedents for this from the boy scouts to every other male space that men use to have, they are paying the price for their past actions.
Sal is doing the whole world a massive service and getting nothing but grief for it! I’ve contributed 3 times to the crowd fund and hope to add more! Thank you 🙏
At 41 I am simultaneously utterly devastated and awestruck about our current (circus) circumstance. Devastated because I know the world I knew is gone forever, and I have been turned into a villain for my opinions. Awestruck because this trans/queer/woke cult is so powerful and they don’t need logical reason for any actions they take. I have personally seen what this does to children. They have no backbone, they can’t stand up for themselves because of the consequences of thinking for themselves.
Well said!!!
Yes sadly infighting of yin and yang
Opposite forces male female
Opposition by a minority....... bullying a majority of people to tow their line ....Is
Creating harm to many lives in negative ways .
Get over the goddess power gender trip of bitch slap scratch and words of justice
By being a team of misogynists who hate woman because they will never be able to know truly 💯
What it is to be a female............to be born without a penis
Penis is effectively male .
Psychopaths have no fear and they thrive on making others fearful. Trouble is you often have to live with one in order to understand .
Yes
Sounds like MAGA
Never underestimate the misogyny of some trans women
They really hate women because they know they will never be women .
Never underestimate the misogyny of some men
There are men, and there are women. Beyond those biological realities, there are NO other genders or ways to be.
@MultiLlewis Yeah. That's what the person said. Trans women are in fact... men. And it really shows when they trample our (women's) rights.
@@MultiLlewis Quite right. It's misogyny either way...whether it shows up in a wife beater tee or a dress. It's the same disregard for women.....just in a different wrapper.
Im so glad you interviewed Sal
And now Sall Grover has lost the case! This story is totally insane. The deliberate, vindictive and mendacious strategy to undermine this female space is an absolute disgrace and the fact it is a case against females being funded by the Australian taxpayer is a constitutional outrage.
Incredible! Wonder what is really behind all this insanity in our western countries? Its like they just want to cancel women and girls.
Roxy is female says so on her birth certificate - need to get the true facts not take what is in the press as a true fact - go read the court documents its a real eye opener- just because Sally wants to call someone a transgender dose not make them transgender
Did she go to the Supreme Court?
@@barberton3695 High Court of Australian - and lost big time - in the eyes of the law Roxy Tickle is female says so on her birth certificate - like the Olympics female boxing all over again - what happens when you think someone is trans therefore they must be.
How is it a constitutional outrage ????
Imagine going somewhere where you knew it was female only, trying to get on anyway, then taking the person who had explained that it was women-only, to court for damages for the hurt you brought on yourself.
I think you just described “identifying as a woman” in general. Why do it if everyone ignores you and you can’t score points? After all these are men so they’re going to tend to display typically male traits - aggression, competitiveness, etc rather than more typical female traits - wanting to fit in, not taking up space etc.
I know everyone’s a mixture, but in general these differences exist. If there were no differences how could someone claim to feel like a woman? It would just be the same. They claim to feel like a woman, then they act like a man about it.
There NEVER were female only places - the harems had EUNUCH watchmen and nunneries still needed a priest (and the Roman Catholic Church ONLY allows male priests). Picture does not suffice, you need a genetic sample to decide (y-people are out) and if it is YOUR app, you should also be the bouncer for the people who are on it.
It would be insane to sue me for NOT dating anyone - a "no" is a "no" AND I am married anyway, so someone forcing me to date, would be intruding into my marriage. But if I were single THIS would intrude into my privacy. Emotional blackmail is the worst redflag against the person doing it.
Sex is not the same as gender - for the "undecided people" some countrys have created a third option: male, female, diverse (sports is still lacking THIS).
Good luck to get us all back to a sane world !👍 again
You’d have to be the most selfish, self obsessed individual to want to push this issue into court.
Eunuchs obviously lose their masculinity from being castrated. It affects their behaviour as well. Nunneries are presided by a mother superior, a priest will only visit occasionally.
@@Catmac2000To destroy someone’s livelihood, put them under humongous stress and waste tax payers money on a court case is unbelievably entitled and arrogant. To achieve what? Oh that’s right… probably (but hopefully not) a massive payout and a lot of attention! I do hope the judge isn’t woke. 😢
I just got a pop-up from youtube telling me I'm leaving hate speech comments and if I keep doing it my channel could be terminated or I'll lose my ability to comment. What I said was not hate speech, I promise that. It's already 1984.
I get them too. Especially when speaking truth on Muslim videos.
Weird. RUclips just deletes my comments. I’ve never been given a warning.
I have received several warnings for questioning the truth of statement such as trans woman areyou know what.
Me too!
@@geraldbrooks8507Yeah that was always what happened before this. I suspected my account was flagged for extra scrutiny, my comments would always disappear. Now I have the proof that I'm actually being censored.
It's ironic that, as Sall says, Australia is five years behind the UK on this subject when the Australian feminist legend Germaine Greer was one of the first people to speak out (if in the UK) about the women's rights abuse of men identifying into female spaces etc and to get cancelled for her courage. If we'd had Greer as the first female PM of Australia instead of Gillard Australia would likely be five years ahead of the UK and I doubt the TQ cult would have gotten a hold there or perhaps anywhere else. Listen to the feminists, folks, the real ones, that is. Grover is the new Greer. Love your work, Sall. I've got everything crossed that you prevail against Tickle. Excellent interview, Andrew. Thanks.
I don’t think anyone will ever be the new Greer - but I know what you’re saying, and completely agree.
It is so hard to comprehend how we’ve ended up in this dystopian nightmare.
‘The Female Eunuch’ was first published in 1970. A forward was added to the 21st anniversary edition - Germaine Greer said:
“𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙄 𝙥𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙮 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙜𝙤 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙖 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣, 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙜𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙣𝙤𝙗𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙮, 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣, 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙪𝙩𝙚 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙙. 𝙁𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙧𝙪𝙣, 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙩, 𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙡𝙤𝙪𝙙𝙡𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙠𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙨 𝙖𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩. 𝙁𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙤 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙤𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙨𝙬𝙞𝙢𝙨, 𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙨, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙬𝙡𝙨 𝙪𝙥𝙤𝙣 𝙞𝙩 ... 𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙛𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙙, 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙝𝙪𝙣𝙜𝙧𝙮, 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙢𝙪𝙩𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙤𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙛𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨, 𝙢𝙖𝙨𝙠𝙚𝙙, 𝙢𝙪𝙯𝙯𝙡𝙚𝙙, 𝙢𝙪𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙗𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙣.”
To think, that was 32 years ago.
Enough is enough.
Germaine Greer was involved in the Australian Push as a young woman.
I once knew a man who was also involved in The Push as a young man.
He concluded it was an excuse for men to have sex.
UK benefited from our experience, we were aware and influenced by the support that Manning got.
Look up Greer's book "The Beautiful Boy"
I stand with Sal and hope she is successful on behalf of all women!
Great conversation with Sall! Glad you had her on. Hopefully she'll prevail in her case. Important for women the world over. 🌍
If you lose friends for that thought, they were never actually your friend to begin with.
Yep indeed. They're also cowards...in my case anyway... didn't even have the balls to discuss the subject. But of course they're also so cowardly that they'd never admit that....😂😂😂😂😂
This case is crazy, scary how we barely have heard about this in bar one article on abc in Australia. Wish Sall the best of luck. Would be my choice as a heretic form what i’ve followed so far. Crazy the lengths she has had to go for this, must be very tiring and stressful!
There was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald this week and a segment on Channel 10's The Project. All the articles I have seen on Australian media this week have been reasonably balanced as far as not taking sides goes, but they don't report even a tiny fraction of what Sall Grover has been subjected to. One good thing is that they are all publishing pictures of Roxanne Tickle, so at least the public can work out for themselves that this is a man demanding access to a women only space.
Been a long time before we have heard about it. Just seen the project speech after i posted it. But sall and tickles case has been in action for over two years. Insane that a challenge like this has been so quiet. Glad we are finally being made aware!
The project removed its comments, it was the only relevant comment section from MSM and so got a lot of views.
I was thinking the same thing. I only saw it on RUclips
The Australian msm has purposefully ignored this case. You’re being conditioned, ppl.
Wow, another great guest! I will definitely support her crowdfunder!
Mate you are the best !
It's so helpful that these people are interviewed here. I've learned so much from listening to these people who are protecting the rights of women. Good interview!
I have always hated this being labeled left/right stuff. It’s not it’s about truth and being lied to. Truth isn’t left or right.
That’s like one of two issues I agree with “the right” on…
I've voted left for 35 years and still know that no woman has a penis
I used to be more left on the social issues....now I think the left is socially stunted. They're trying too hard to be so inclusive that they pushed women out. I can't believe there are actually people going along with this bs. It's too much!
Well, left and right is about how you interpret "the truth" and what consequences/lessons etc you take from it. Denying that is like denying another truth. There is no truth without you having a connecion to it and drawing your decisions from it.
I'm middle age. I have found ZERO issues the left has been right about. Can you name one?
“My Mum and I…”
How wonderful to hear English being spoken properly. 👏👏👏
I have noticed that many are trying to not make this mistake of using "me" when it should be "I" in something like "My mom and I", but now they are using "I" every time, even when it should be "me".
Like "Steve told my mum and I..." or "it dropped on Jimmy and I" it drives me nuts! The Depp V Heard trial was FULL of this grammatical overcorrection.
@@kayjay7585 Depp v Heard was another mess that only the woke western world could've brought us.
@@kayjay7585 Many people don't know the correct rule for when to use 'I' but I guess at the end of the day as long as we understand each other correctly then communication has been effective. And effective communication is everything.
THAT is what you got from the interview?? 😂😂😂
@@sammillar3561 speaking for myself, of course there were so many more important points. At the same time, it is wonderful to hear grammatically correct euphonious English.
Great interview. I love how fierce and positive Sall is in the face of extreme adversity and provocation. Have donated what I can. Hope it helps.
🇦🇺Another Queenslander 🇦🇺 and she’s the heroine we need. I hope they make a movie of this epic drama to give weight to your struggles for vulnerable women internationally who rely on being protected. Imagine being pregnant and having to deal with this bs?! They have ruined your life on the basis of sex and that’s what sexism is (ironically you could do with your own app for support). Disgusting our media won’t report on this.
I can't imagine the courage going through this requires, I'm full of admiration for Sal, and I'll certainly give all that I can spare to support her. This is so much bigger and more important than a court case. This is history.
At last, someone is pointing out that there is no discussion about what is a man, or trans men in mens sport. It's always about trans women, which makes the whole thing deeply sexist.
That's because F to M "men" can't compete against real men.
@@petemccutchen3266 And men, no matter how they "identify", shouldn't be allowed to compete against women.
that's because men-only spaces have been pretty much outlawed. So, what is the point in defending them?
@@ghfudrs93uuumen still have male change rooms, bathrooms, prisons and sports teams where I live. That’s pretty much all women need too.
Yes! Because it's always been about men. Men who can't stand women having boundaries.
This is completely mental. Women are losing safe places. I hope she wins this case. I hate that we, as women, can't feel safe anymore.
We are also loosing our choice for abortion.
Sorry but this is self inflicted. Decades ago feminists brought cases against men's clubs to force them to allow women in. Now the same precedent is being used against women's clubs. Selfish, short sighted harridans did this and now it's biting them in the arse
This can't work only in one direction. You're losing safe spaces. Well how many spaces have men had to also give up in our collective insane push for equality in the western world? The fact that women say they need safe spaces means they recognise they are not equal and the same as men, we are both indeed different. In order for women to get spaces for them to be safe, it shouldn't be too much to ask that women eff off out of men's football as commentators for example. Fair's fair and all that...
@@elementgypsy Maybe you should have thought of that when you insisted on men not being allowed ANY male-only space citing "discrimination". And regarding abortion, men are not allowed to have ANY say beyond having sex, whereas women have the "morning after pill", the ability to give the child up for adoption, etc. etc. - i.e. plenty of options to reject parenthood (despite more people willing to adopt than there are babies up for adoption, so why kill if there's plenty of people happy to take the child?!?). So why, when men are denied ANY ability to reject parenthood beyond having sex, should women have the ability to have the child KILLED, in some places up to the moment of birth?!? As women keep saying when men complain about this inequality, "they should have kept their pants on". If this can be said of men, it should also be said of women. "When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression".
you havbe the wrong man if you dont feel safe. my woman feels very safe and sleeps well knowing this. im not from there though. i was talking to a woman from there and im watching this to see her pov
This video should be used in Court to present this case. Good luck to you Sal, to all women and thank you Andrew for spreading the word. 🇦🇺
Precedent was created decades ago when women sued their way into men's clubs. Very short sighted
What I want to know is, if it's against Oz human rights to `offend' a trans man, then why are the human rights of the women-born-as-women on Giggle not equally recognised and respected?
Sounds like one rule for the trans population, and another for real women.
It's an agenda driven to erase women and any rights they have been given in past fifty years. It's bizarre on the face of it but it shows the dark side of social media and how something new can be ended before it gets through the gate. I would research Iain Gilchrist (left brain has taken over the world).
Trans men were born female. You are disqualified 😂
Because the Gillard government changed the instrument of law to replace sex discrimination with gender. Sex is no longer a protected characteristic in anti discrimination legislation in Australia. This case is being fought on the basis that the Australian law is not consistent its international commitments.
Oh no, it’s perfectly fair. If you won’t call them what they want to be called, you’re transphobic. And if you don’t like being called what they want to call you, you’re transphobic.
Maybe they have more rights since they are MEN and won’t give up their male privilege
I’m in Manchester uk. 100% behind Sall. I donated to her crowdfunding to help.
Hello from Bradford xx
She Is an amazing lady and doesn't deserve any of this. I wish her well and happy to help in any way.
You can thank Julia Gillard for this mess. She is the one who betrayed us by changing the definition of a woman.
Utter BOLLOCKS
Ah she one of the hand maidens, bit of an Aunt Lydia that one lol
I have been looking for this info since long ago. Edit: no, no, no, who in the WHO first decided and proclaimed what a woman identity is? That's what I need to know.
And the Labour Party lead by Dan Andrews for bringing in self id laws in Victoria
The whole "I will not be lectured...." speech falls flat now.
How is the first time Ive heard about this? She is an astonishingly good speaker.
You have some superb guests. Always manage to dug out some good ones.
the press hardly reported on it so she struggled to get support. Now press have started reporting.
The Alphabet Mafia has taken over the media
Fabulous interview. She must win. For the sake of women, she MUST WIN. I’m an Aussie ( adult female) ie a woman.
Australia blows with its WOKE. Never go there.
Keeping a wolf 🐺 out of a paddock full of sheep 🐑 does not mean you are discriminating against the wolf 🐺... 🙄
This is a fight for us all: WOMEN!
I was born with ovaries and uterus.
I have a menstrual cycle.
I gave birth to a child (ok, not every woman can do that).
My breasts fed a child for 2 years.
Only a WOMAN can do that.
Agreed 100% but I feel there’s also straight women that are fighting for the trans thing, so they’ve sold their women kind down the river.
Also, any woman who lives long enough will experience menopause but NO man will EVER experience menopause regardless of his so called “gender identity”.
YEAH! Forget the BOYS who are manipulated by this nonsense!!!
It really is. The women that believe and support these men are so so deluded. Not only that, they are as much of a danger to women as these men are.
🖤🖤🖤🖤
Why is the onus on women to prove need rather than on trans women to prove no harm?
Because woman are making the claim. If you make the claim then you need to prove it. Otherwise it's just a claim based on nothing
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 Making what claim? Women were minding our own business until everything was imposed on us. We had status quo and systems based on iterative improvements due to centuries of experience. If people want to change it, they need to prove a need to.
which need? the need for a safe space away from men? your grandmother fought to do away with those, claiming that she was just as strong and able as they and should be allowed therefore to leave the safe space.
There still exists at my local train station a sign above an area that translates to "ladies' waiting area" but it's off limits now because women of that era argued that it was discriminatory on the basis of sex.
I would be all for protecting women and giving them back their own roll in society. But we're fighting against a century of feminist action from the left and internalisation from the right.
@@BalthasarCarduelis You seemed to have missed the point of the majority of feminism which is to to seen as equal, not the same. And both my grandmothers would have hit a man with a handbag for going into women's spaces. Coming from a long line of feminists, I don't know of anyone who was arguing to put women at greater risk, they were just fighting against the behaviours of others which caused the need. In any case, whatever our forebears thought or fought for, it isn't an excuse for men to punish present day women living in present day circumstances by putting us in greater danger in a more dangerous society.
@@MarthaAnthony I understand the point of the rhetoric of equality. Unfortunately, the rhetoric and the reality just never lined up. Feminism has been so cruel to women, and watching each generation take the logic of the rhetoric to the next progression unto logical conclusion has left each previous generation aghast. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Brilliant! My last time before leaving my family visit in Scotland to go home to Australia, watching Heretics live and at a normal hour of the day! Off to see Graham Linehan in Australia while you talk to an Aussie in the UK. Hope the Giggle space is allowed to be female only - can’t believe it’s even subject to argument.
As a 52 yo Aussie Woman I can’t believe what is going on regarding this issue the last few years 😞 Great interview 🩷
Australia blows. S…T place. Crass and dumb.
She is amazing. I have immense respect for her and everything she’s gone through. ❤️
What a great interview! Sall is clear and articulate, I hope the case goes well for her.
hey just fyi, this is the type of woman that your other guests would call an ardent gender critical person - the type of person that doesn’t entertain pronouns and doesn’t entertain the concept of true trans. but do you see how BALANCED and logical she is? it’s super annoying how others in this movement are calling people like her absolutists.
Exactly! And if she did start using “she” for Roxy it would make the whole thing sound ridiculous and she’d technically be lying in court…I used to think misgendering was a bit cruel but now I think it’s absolutely crucial otherwise women literally can’t defend themselves…
I’m exactly like her. I don’t f with any aspect of that stupid ideology.
@@insidiousmischkasame! and i’m sick of these other people trying to call us absolutists. Like no, i live in REALITY.
Well said
@@littlebird2573 I you were an absolutist then you would be no more absolute in your value system than the other people who call you an absolutist.
Brilliant interview. I support Sally 100% and i live in inner city Melbourne!!
Am I understanding the theory correctly, that if men wear women's clothes and wear makeup; they Become a woman...., or do they need to think it too? Perhaps there is some incantation required on a full moon.....?
So, how does this explain how most women in the western world own and wear trousers and jeans and (horror of all horrors) often do not wear makeup? Do they then Become a man due to that, or would they have to do the opposite incantation?
I am so glad those women who fought for the right to vote are not around to see this madness become reality. I dream of all those in power who support such nonsense will one day be held to account and even jailed. Unfortunately, most in power are all too familiar with the concept of lies. This is just one of the greatest whoppers of all time.
Love your reply/post!
Fantastic interview. Can't wait to join your app!
Imagine how many sites that tried to provide a space for women have been hounded out of existence. Thank you Sall for refusing to be silenced
cis-women just need to be a little more educated on this, thats all. They'll get used to the new way soon enough. Everyone will.
@@RaptorFromWeegee education should consist of dialogue rather than suppression, surely?
@@RaptorFromWeegeelol cis-women.... Educated on what... Their biological reality, by men who desire to emulate them with cosmetic surgeries? Ohh yeeah cause a man knows what a woman is and feels like by pure observation. Make the world a favor and unalive yourself for us.
@@RaptorFromWeegeeLmao you weirdo. Most people don't accept this crap nor they ever will. Our bodies can tell the difference even when forced to try not to. Transwomen are men
@@RaptorFromWeegee Your mother should’ve swallowed
So awesome that she has exceeded her crowdfunding goal!! Please keep us posted on this case.
Hi Sall 👋 Fellow Aussie and Gold Coaster here! I came across your case last week and put it on X tagging Andrew in my post, then I saw his RUclips post on RUclips about 5 minutes later saying he’d interviewed you for Hereticss!
I was so excited to hear about your case from you personally. I’m absolutely disgusted with Julia Gillard for passing a law that threw women under the bus! We didn’t even vote her in if you remember 😂
I ll be following you to watch for a decision on your case. Hopefully Giiggle will be triumphant! I’m so happy this is going to court. Women need this win. Sky News Australia normally would talk about these issues! They usually laugh at the lefties 😂😂
Weird that this video only reaches me after 4 months when this is such an important topic! Thanks so much for lending Sall your 'stage' to speak at. I made sure to donate!
Thanks, great interview.
thank you so much donna!
My biological female heartbreak will break if Giggle loses.
No, we will crowdfund and get her to the High Court. The Sex Discrimination Act is based on CEDAW, which defines women as female (not based on a feeling). A representative of the UN has submitted documents to the court to that effect. The Constitutional change in 2013 goes directly against the intention of CEDAW and the previous definitions of men and women in the Constitution. Also, sex as a protected class outweighs gender identity by which sections they are dealt with. Grover's case apparently has a lot of weight in terms of repealing harmful constitutional changes which adversely affect the safety of, and discriminate against, women and girls.
No don't let your heart break! A decision against Sal means we all have to put our big girl pants on and stop letting others battle for us. Everyone joins the fight for truth and justice
I shared it on my Facebook feed. Bold move, I know. 0 likes. Two ppl private messaged me (Australian male friends). One of them called Sal a transphobe. 🙄
It's like common sense has left the world and ppl are afraid to speak up. I don't care anymore.
@@MarthaAnthony It wouldn't have been a constitutional change in 2013 as there has to be a referendum to change the constitution.
Unfortunately our biological female hearts breaking will be the least of our problems if she looses. Sall NEEDS to win this for all our sakes.
Fascinating interview. I first saw Sall on Louise Perry’s podcast. When she said that she had to check herself and see that she hadn’t been captured by an ideology, this parallels the gaslighting experienced by victims of narcissists.
I am embarrassed, as a man, that there are so many men who want to get into women's only spaces for ANY reason. It's so obnoxious, insulting, gross, and sometimes just mean.
You've forgotten the women who sued to get into men's clubs decades ago. The same legal precedent will be used.
So you are a transwoman and a transwoman is you
Is there really that many men?
Thank you
As a woman, I felt exactly like this when the Boy Scouts Of America were forced to accept girls.
Great interview!! Although she didn't want anything to do with this issue publicly, there is no women better to fight this out in court than a down to earth, natural, Aussie women/mum. Specially being a new mum of a daughter. Best of luck.to her, regardless of outcome she's already a hero for sanity in society 👍
Her daughter is now 7. That's how long this has dragged on for. I wish her every success. From another Aussie mum. 🇦🇺
Great interview Andrew & Sall
It’s a disgrace that no journalist will cover Sall’s story in Australia 🇦🇺 our country has been captured by trans ideology
#istandwithsall
Thank you for having this legend on! I'm Australian and female and stand with her and hope she wins
KUDOS!, Andrew. You are incredibly courageous to tackle this controversial subject. I consider myself open minded but this crap about Trans. Women forcing themselves into biological women’s space is appalling to me. I’ll never forget the smug look on Lea Thomson’s, ( spelling ) face when HE won the college woman’s swimming competition and expected to go to the next Olympics,( thankfully he was banned) Anyway, keep up the great work. I love you Andrew , and I’ll be her friend, I’m on Team Sall!
He didn't even win though, it was a draw. So he wasn't good enough for the mens team & got beaten by a real woman anyway😂 But yes, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying🙂✌️
@@emilyemily444 Yes, you're right, it was a draw but I think it's worth remembering that he still took a place in the ranking thereby pushing a woman out. I would have to check but I think the distress of the young woman who lost out by one ranking became one of the several factors that motivated Riley Gaines to fight against transwomen in women's sport and spaces.
@@pennylando3145 I suspect he manufactured the 'draw'' . His titles should be taken off him and awarded to the swimmer he took the trophy from.
Well let’s look at this long term they will not breed and thank God for that. Get rid of millions of bad genes no more of them
Andrew, at 8:45, you say it's difficult to imagine a man deciding to bring down a woman's app. This is what's called misogyny! And its what drives trans activists, and all that other predatory entitled behaviour Sall describes.
Women did this to men's clubs decades ago. They created legal precedent and now it's going to bite them in the arse
@@DJRockford83 I agree. Sadly.
@@DJRockford83that was because in those only men places many important decisions were made that affected society, politics and economics. It was not because of a fetish or because women demanded to be men. Women wanted to take part in the public matters. Don't try to twist reality, you know this is men's fault.
Between February 2021 and September 2021, the Applicant enjoyed full access to the app’s features and used the app to read content posted by other users.
@@4651adriExactly. liberal policy snowballs after men gave women the right to vote
I hope you win your case. I am an Intersex person that has transitioned to more feminine. I am not a woman. I am not a man. I am what I am and that is all that I am. Great talk, love your series.
Well said. People are not binary in their gender identity, and that goes for everybody. Our society is run in a binary way and puts people in a box. I don't understand why some non binary people want to conform to an identity box. If there was less pressure to conform it would be better for everyone. Allot of male/femail people do not want to conform either. If there was more tolerance and more spaces for those who are non binary physically or internally, then I don't think there would be so much conflict.
@@philcooper2408 I was born female, I worked in construction, climbed mountains, played football. I'm still a female and I would never question that. But if you want to deal in stereotypes to make a point, you will remain in an extremely narrow way of thinking.
You make three claims, the first being contradictory to the second and the third.
You claim: to be an hermaphrodite; to not be male; and to not be female. An hermaphrodite is both male and female, not neither male nor female.
Your claims are analogous to: the paint is purple; the paint is not red, the paint is not blue. No, the paint is purple, that means that the paint is both red and blue at the same time.
Anyways, I get what you mean. And here's how to say what you mean more precisely.
@@outoforbit00 yes my comment is messy and misleading. I meant to say most people do not fit neatly into gender stereotypes. I am male but never fitted traditional male role. What I was saying is why should I have to fit in a narrow definition of male or female. Why should anyone? When I used the word binary I meant it in the sense of only 2 choices. Bit confusing
@@BalthasarCarduelis my comment is totally confusing, you are right. I meant society is mostly run where most things are red or blue I meant to say that everyone has Thier own colour. My identity is more purple but I feel societal pressure to confform to red or blue. I was advocating that society becomes more purple and less defined
I just started listening to your new audiobook Andrew. I'm loving it so far. So many interesting stories and insights.
A huge thanks Sall, you have my utmost respect, you’re not alone, there are many of us sending good vibes, saying prayers. Bless you…
I love this woman! Sall Grover, I stand with you ... and agree that this world has gone mad. I can't help thinking that Tickle is a narcissist/r*pist who can't handle being told NO and will bully, force and intimidate his way in.
He’s probably an incel
I’ve been following this case and this was very educational. Thank you *Andrew*
Andrew, I love the Heretics channel! All of the interviews are excellent! I wish you had a broader reach.
Great interview! Extremely important case!
Another Excellent interview! Thank you for bringing this situation to our attention.
Thank you for supporting and working hard to protect biological ( xx ) chromosomes women 👏👏👏
Sall is absolutely right about the main stream media in Australia not picking up the most important legal case of our decade. And the ones who show a little interest paint Sall out to be a mean and hateful person.
Tickle is a MAN - he was born a man and he will die a MAN, what he does in between life and death is his business, but do not impose his will on that of females.
The way you talked about your stashes, the yarn, the people who made it or gave it to you. That made me so happy. 🥰 I feel just the same.
She really needs and deserves to win this case. Losing is not an option. It's a disgrace that she has been put in this position.
A good conversation! I wish her (and the rest of us) the best of luck with everything she has ahead of her. And hey! She's right about Helen Joyce!
You can’t compare race and sex. Race segregation is wrong because every race is part of the human community therefore we are human regardless of our race. Sex is a clear binary separation within the human community and each seperate sex has some qualities that are unique to that binary. That includes safety and privacy. This current trans activist narrative is disturbing.
Well there's power imbalance still about race. That why there's also still a need for black only etc spaces. Any group which is discriminated against needs their own groups - like disabled people etc.
Not what I was getting at, but ok.
I disagree with the need for any space catering to one race only. We, as humans are the same, regardless of race. There should be a "no asshat" space for humans to go. Not implying anything by that, just that we are all humans and every culture has their fair share of undesirables. We should be safe together, and the only ones not welcome are the aforementioned asshats.
On the other hand, the 2 sexes need their own spaces for physical safety and mental well-being when they need it. Women only and men only.
It's not rocket science.
Edit: the asshat comment was not directed towards you. It's actually nice to bear able to have a conversation and hear more sides and opinions other than my own 😊
@@hoppetosse8black only spaces when I was young was called Apartheid
'We don't know which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones' exactly, and as young girls we are taught to be cautious around strange boys and men and for good reason. I don't want to be in any space where I'm vulnerable around a man who is a stranger to me.
Sal, you could have walked away with your tail between your legs & shut up-but you are fighting for all of us at your own expense. THANK YOU from an Aussie Mum xxx
An intelligent and beautiful and funny conversation .Thank you so much x
Humoring and validating the attention-seeking of a whole gaggle of social-media addicted narcissists has led to this insanity. All this time and energy pissed away on a fraction of a percent of the overall population, when we have so many problems that actually need to be focused on. People that are comfortable in their own skin aren't constantly seeking attention, and they don't go out of their way to bully and threaten others if they don't get their regular validation fix.
You should interview the Canadian Father who went to jail for misgendering his daughter.
Gotta be a back story there.
@@ruprect8858 Indeed. He called his daughter his DAUGHTER. I believe this happened in Quebec.
I find it interesting that we refer to trans people using their treatment method as their title, it would be like calling a person with depression as a Sertraline.
Shame on you Tickle ! I want Giggle back. Australian media what are you doing? I’m ashamed to be an Australian woman. Sall Grover is right you are my hero.
Another amazing interview! Sall is brilliant.
Stay on top of this. I want to know the outcome.This is huge!
Only recently discovered youtube content on this case - I don't know how the case is looking or anything about Aussie law but in full support of Giggle. I do also feel for those born with gender disphoria just trying to transition in adulthood and move on with life peacefully and discreetly, as unfortunately those people are suffering too with the backlash; but the outrageous activist cult and medical malpractice needs to be stopped. Trans trenders need to be stood up to - they are harming both the people who's genuine condition they are appropriating, and they are harming women in numerous and serious ways.
As a bisexual male the alphabet movement doesn't represent my views whatsoever - truly wish Sall the best with her case. Will look forward to the interview.
I have been close friends with a Male who considers themselves trans. About a month into our friendship I looked at him and said "Holy shit, You Are a Girl..." like, the thoughts, and reactions, and emotions "he" had toward a situation were NOT those of a man and their manner, ladylike. Not about "passing" either because he kinda doesn't... but he's a girl. Wildest thing.
@@jackfiercetree5205 I think it only seems wild because the avelanche of activists and trenders drown out the opinions of the relatively tiny actual trans population - who have to out themselves as trans to even have a public voice about it which is antithetical to what they need for their own mental wellbeing and comfort, sadly. It is the brain which is incorrect and not the body and dysphoric trans people who have had non-affirming therapy and could give informed consent to transition all seem to know this, and are totally based and horrified at what's being done in their name. That's why I feel for people like your friend as much as I do the women in this situation - I hope your friend doesn't catch any fallout in their own lives from the activists trashing their reputation
@@jackfiercetree5205some men are feminine, but it doesn’t make them women
@Woolhelm I'm not saying physically he is a woman. I am saying the essence of his being isn't "a feminine guy" it is "girl"
@@jackfiercetree5205But he's not a "girl". He's a man. You're not being kind affirming a delusion. In fact, you're complicit in perpetuating it.
53:49 in Victoria they banned conversation therapy for gender dysphoria.
Psychiatrists are told they are to adopt the affirming care model only. Any other holistic approach is now deemed criminal. Many psychiatrists and medical professionals who disagree are refusing to take on these cases that involve children.
The Royal College of New Zealand and Australian Psychiatrists recently issued a position paper that state that "gender affirming care" is not the first choice of treatment for children.
@@francishooper9548yes, but if you look at the Royal children’s hospital Melbourne website they state they use gender affirming care for children over 3 and puberty blockers etc.. for teens. The medical profession in Australia are not listening .
Do you have a source for this please?
@@Lollipop_Lexi
Victoria bans gay conversion practices after 12-hour debate
The bill will outlaw practices that seek to change or suppress a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.
The bill goes further than one passed in Queensland last year in that it prohibits harmful practices not only in healthcare settings but also in religious settings.
This includes “carrying out a religious practice, including but not limited to, a prayer-based practice, a deliverance practice or an exorcism”.
Faith groups have claimed the bill attacks religious freedom, while some medical professionals have raised concerns it could compromise the practice of psychiatry and psychotherapy.
@@Lollipop_Lexi this is why many in the medical field are refusing to see children with gender issues . They are forced to affirm and medicate.
Thanks!
Ah thank you so much!!
1:16:01 director's "cut" I laughed so hard! Thank you for standing up for me and my daughter! I'm so grateful for your strength
Hey Andrew, worth noting that some comments are being taken down by RUclips. I haven't said anything any more controversial than what is already up. Thought you should know that your subs are being censored
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