I was required to leave the hospital with my child in a car. Basically there was no "walk home" or "bike home" option even though we were basically steps away from a train that also delivered us to steps away from the door to our house, we were told that we couldn't leave unless we took a taxi home. It was pretty bizarre. But I find the whole safety thing absurd. Driving with your child is dangerous because driving is dangerous, but nobody even questions that. Yet for bikes which mount a car seat, people consider that more dangerous than driving somehow?!
My sister locked the bike while riding on the back of my dad's bike. She's a bit special. They we're both fine and 30 years ago the technology still was in its infant days. We keep reminding her of it once in a while. Great content and congrats!
Absolutely enchanting video Chris! Of course Isabella stole the show!! Thank you for you obvious care and support of parents and kids so that they can enjoy bicycling safely together! Super range of practical options!
I began with my 3.5 month old in my Bakfiets mounted looking toward me in a used car seat securely mounted to the frame. Laying down, no head concern. Mellow trips to the stores and grammas. With my second child, I added a seat from the Netherlands on the flip down bench. My boy was 3 and sat next to his sister that was almost a year. Both in helmets. Worked for me. We still do it. He is 8 and she is 5, now. These are so fancy compared to my Surly Big Dummy and traditional Bakfiets! I never bothered with electric assist, I think suspension is kinda overkill.
Nice presentation, and congratulations! I have a few things to add that may help someone decide which option is best for their situation and skill level. 2 wheel trailers are usually the most affordable option since can be fitted to almost any bicycle. Schwinn, for example, has decent trailers for around $100. 2 wheel trailers are also the safest option with the following criteria: slow speeds, less experienced riders, smooth terrain, open terrain. 2 wheel trailers can quickly become dangerous with any one of the following criteria: faster speeds (over 10-12 mph), experienced riders, rough terrain, crowded terrain (esp traffic crossings). The length of this setup can be very dangerous in traffic. Even on trails the length (and width) increases the chance of collisions. A curb or significant bump to the right (unconnected) side can easily flip a trailer on it's side or even upside down. An experienced rider has habits and confidence that can work against attending to the trailer. Speed increases the chance of a flip and other problems. To summarize, less experienced riders who probably avoid difficult situations will benefit from the stability of a 2 wheel trailer, and are probably more comfortable with the cost. Experienced riders are more comfortable with the cost of quality bicycles, and will benefit more from a bike they can ride as they are used to (in more places, at faster speeds, with more attention on traffic and terrain without having to worry about whether their cargo or passenger apparatus is safe or in danger). A brief note about 20" long tail bikes. This is probably the best option for less experienced riders in an urban environment. It's easier to balance, and compact. More experienced riders will do better with a 24" or 26" long-tail, or a front loading box bike. An experience rider is more likely to move quickly, even when encountering rough terrain. A larger wheel handles the vibrations from speed and terrain better, and an experienced rider should be able to balance the higher load with ease. Front loading cargo bikes also have a 20" wheel (in front) but the passenger/cargo is set back from the 20" front wheel, not right on top. Some front loaders also have suspension on the front. There is no 20" long tail with rear suspension in production, and the passenger/cargo is right on top the 20" rear wheel. Class of bike was not mentioned. Please ride class 1 with children unless you have a long commute on an ideal trail. Even without cargo, Class 1 is better for most people. Most people fair well with a fall at 10-15mph. After that the results can be exponentially bad. Additionally, Class 3 causes excess wear on brakes and batteries (with large efficiency losses due to wind resistance, getting up to speed, and greater loss of momentum when braking). If switching over to an Ebike, know that not everything you know about bicycles applies. Try to have a beginners mind. This is why a trailer might be a great options on a standard bicycle, but often not an Ebike. It's easier to go fast on an Ebike, and you're more likely to explore which could bring you to situations where a trailer is not welcome, practical, or safe. For experienced riders it's normal to go faster on a standard bicycle and slower on an Ebike. Ebikes shine in the areas of cargo, comfort, and practicality whereas standard bicycles are usually better for sport. Even a sporty Ebike is usually not as sporty feeling as a standard bicycle for experience riders. Cargo Ebikes are amazing! Choose the bike(s) that fits your situation and it will be a very positive life changing decision.
I think a kid trailer is a really great place to start. Honestly I think pretty much everyone that has a (non-racing) bicycle should have a trailer, specifically one that has an adapter that just stays on on the rear wheel so you can attach or detach the trailer easily. Trailers are great for carrying small kids, small dogs, and groceries (sometimes all at the same time!). Hands down one of the best things to have to make bikes a lot more useful.
So much information in this video. Thank you. I rode on a bike seat when I was 5 and my foot went into the rear wheel spokes. Full hip cast and years later I ran a marathon. There are so many options today and people need videos like this to "see" what is available.
Congrats on your new family member! I recently got a Yuba Kombi for the sole purpose of carrying my 6yo and 1.5yo and love it. The wheels are a little bigger so it definitely had some wobble while I got used to it, but the kids prefer it to the car, even on subzero morning rides to school in the Midwestern winter (the plastic rain cover and some bike blankets that attach to the side bars helped with that). Decided on the Kombi so that I could take it on trains and on a standard car-mounted bike carrier. Loved this video, thanks!
Hey Chris, congratulations to the both of you on the new sprout! Got a question, only one that wasn't completely addressed in the vid: I own a '21 Load 60 and it is AWESOME! We're currently trying to conceive, so hopefully, there'll be a sprout of our own soon to ride along! With that in mind, I've been looking at ways to integrate a shell or car seat in the Load's cargo box, but so far all options (well, the one option...) have involved drilling into the cargo floor to install a metal shell carrier. I did see an excellent solution that clicks into the sides of a box, but that looks to be specifically tailored to the Urban Arrow (which we considered at one time, but I just had to go for that full suspension and Rohloff deal, which has turned out brilliant!). So, long story long: in the vid, how did you fix the car seat to your Load 60's box? Apropos of nothing: my girlfriend has a slight disability so she rides a cargo trike. It's a Johnny Loco E-Cargo Cruiser 5.2, and it just looks gorgeous, like a '30s Ford or something. But just to confirm your observation: it does tip over if you're not careful. So while we're keeping that one (mainly for showing off, glam rides and such), we're hoping to get into the MultiTinker in a few years time, when the Load's lease is up. Gives us some time to teach her how to ride a two wheeler now she's hooked on biking 😊 Lots of love and respect man, we really dig your channel! Greetings from Belgium (next country over from the Netherlands, by the way, and almost as big on cycling), Bart & Eve
You don't seem to use the the three-wheeler front loader cargo bike in the US, do you...? e.g. the Christiania bike. I never see it in any of the bike videos shot in the US. It is like BY FAR the most popular type of cargo bike in Copenhagen, like maybe 90% of cargo bikes are of that type and we have MANY cargo bikes in this city. I think it's probably the best choice for carrying kids. We own a Winther Cargoo ourselves. The Dutch Baboo brand is also quite popular.
We bought a WeeHoo bike trailer when my daughter was 3. It was great when we upgraded to eBikes last summer because we could go to the farmers market or take her to/from the local day camp at the Nature Center by bike. And it gives the kids the ability to pedal along. Great option IMO.
I live in Barcelona and while I would love a cargo bike or trailers, they are too bulky and heavy to be practical in a very compact and dense city where elevators are the size of a broom closet. I use a 16” urban ebike with a child seat mounted to the frame in front of me so my arms go around the child, kind of how Brompton child seats or the mountain bike mounts shown in this video are. My daughter is 5 and still fits on it with lots of room. Personally I have a really hard time balancing the bike if she goes on the back because of her weight. It’s also scary not knowing how she’s doing back there. Placing her in front keeps the weight more evenly distributed. For me, going in the front until she’s old enough to sit on the back rack like an adult is the way for us to go. Some people say it’s dangerous because if I fall, she falls. I mean, if I fall, doesn’t matter if she’s on the back or front, she’s going down with me. So we always wear a helmet, stick to bike lanes, and follow the street rules.
@@velotill I rent a bicycle parking spot for 27€/month because like a lot of people in this city, my building does not have an elevator and trying to haul bikes up the stairs has been nothing short of a tearful experience. I think bicycle parking are slowly popping up a little more, but they’re still more common in central areas. It sucks not being able to bring your bike home and and hop on or off easily, but like you said, the lack of apartment space or presence of elevators are the way of life here. Depending on where your sister lives, perhaps she can rent a parking spot too. My rental space has a couple fleets of families.
Congratulations with the birth of your daughter. Hope she will have a lof of fun riding different bikes all over the world… Our daughter, now 5 just switched to an Urban Iki junior seat. We had to buy better feet protectors to ensure she cannot get her feet in the rear wheel.
The issue with the majority of these is price. Just looking up the R&M you have there and it's $12k in Australia. I was chatting to a guy at work who wants to get a e-bike and I showed him a few options and the price just turned him off immediately. He's thinking $1k-$2k not $7k-$12k
I transported my son at first in a chariot trailer, then by a Masden bucket bike, then bought a Yuba Mundo 14 years ago. That bike was great, i was able to ride with my son while he was holding onto handle bars that attached to my seat post. I have since bought another Yuba Mundo bike, they are great for all year riding and living in the city with out a car.
Congratulations on your child. She looks really happy in the cargo box. Our kids are a bit older and so we want to invest in a Tern GSD. Keep us updated on your journey with your child and if you ever come to Oslo let’s go for a ride. ✌️
Another great video! Lots of options nowadays. Glad to see you riding in Delaware! Brandywine, Hockessin, and Pike Creek are some beautiful areas. It's less expensive than the surrounding states. I'm down in the Bear, DE area,
I've had both my daughters in a bike trailer from the age of about 6 months. With a good trailer (I use Hamax Traveller) and an infant seat the first few months (yes, you can get infant seats for bikes), they both loved it! I still carry my youngest every day, all year around (in Norway) in a bike trailer 🙂
Congratulations on your new addition! I’m looking forward to welcoming a new baby in May, just before the start of winter. (Based in Australia). I would love to get a front loading cargo bike to take him places.
I would worry about a young child high on the front or back . In the event of a tumble (btdt) they will have a long way to fall. A low level cargo bike , with side protection seems a lot safer
some people prefer kids behind them on a regular bike or long tail, cause then it doesn't feel like you're sticking them first into the traffic and also all passengers are in the same field of view
These are all fair points. These days or so many different designs and protection systems out there. The reality is it mostly boils down to where you’re writing as the greatest hazard tends to be automobiles.
It all depends upon infrastructure and bike model. We (I'm Brazilian, and this "We" encompass we too) tend to think of MTB and Speed, when talking "bicycles". But these two options are REALLY awful to carrying a child - they are derivatives from sports bikes. I know, since I own a gravel one. Don't get me wrong: I love my gravel. It is fast, agile and a pleasure to ride hard. But it is an awful city bike. The aggressive position get tiresome after some time, the weight distribution makes it easy to top over, if one gets happy with the front break. And we have very little space for everything else. A proper city bike would not top over - it would skid the front wheel, but never top over. Yes, skidding the front wheel would result in a fall - but a lateral one. Would make no difference to the kid, being in the front or the back. I don't have kids, but I would like to look - and interact with them! - while riding. And for this, kids on the front is king. Come to think of it, bikefiets are king - to me, the best option. But this is me. Everyone has a different opinion, and that's quite all right.
Thanks! My installation was quick with a bungy cord for this video, but there are accessories available for most front loading cargo bikes to add car seats to them
I've got about 5 lbs capacity left on the Thule rear seat I've been driving my kid around in for a couple of years, so I'm starting to look at what the next step up is gonna be for us. Can anyone ID the model at 10:47? is that whole stretch the benno boost?
In the Netherlands, as long as your child can not hold his/her head up, you don’t cycle with them, or need to have a bakfiets. When they can hold their heads, child goes at the front. If they get older they go at the back, and then of course their own bike.
Do you know what is recommended for trailers? I am pregnant right know and got a trailer (so I don't have to carry any extra weight if I am just on my own) and they do allow using it for newborns with a special carrier, bit I have heard conflicting recommendations....
@@j.a.1721 You can get baby slings in which you can carry a baby before he/she can sit up on his/her own. I would not use it in the first 4-5 months or so, because it is still quite bumpy compared to a real baby seat/MaxiCosi (in a cargo bike or car).
@@zoransteinmann2503 thank you! I have asked around a bit and also looked up at which age the manufacturer allows using the trailer with the baby sling/hammock and they say you can use it at 1 month. My midwife said pretty much the same, as long as I use it on paved streets and bike paths.
I am Dutch and we don't take our newborns home on a bike from the hospital 😅. We do cars, taxis, the bus or stroller. Recommendations for taking your child on the bike is to wait until 9 months old. We usually start with a front bike seat and most kids move to the back when their sibling arrives. New rear bike seats are required to have special foot protection to keep kids' legs away from the wheel. In the cargo bike the recommendation is to transport your kid in a car seat from 12 weeks on, mot before that.
My god, just started to watch the video, and I am already so thankful for this sort of content! Thanks thanks thanks. Just tested an urban arrow yesterday (Belgium) we put our 7 month old in a car seat (with the adapters from urban arrow with shock absorber). The Urban Arrow did not have shock absorber in the front. And I still felt a bit scared for him. hehe, this choice is being so hard on me (what mode of transport to choose to do bike mobility with my son)
Budget is why I got a long tail bike. I get so many comments from people who have never seen a long tail bike before. I do wonder what people would think if I was driving a box bike around. I’d really blow their minds. 😂 But I love the comments. People are so curious and excited to see a “different” bike. ❤
Is that Wilmington? I'm a UD grad who worked for Delaware State Parks a while back. Glad you're enjoying the parks! Congrats on your new baby! Living in Portland, OR now. I have a 10-month-old, and I'm looking at options to ride with him this year. Thinking either an E-assist long tail or bakfiet. Any suggestions on models?
Thanks! Much appreciated! This child seat, I just strapped in, but there is a special child seat holder that has suspension on it. Some bikes like the Urban Arrow and the Packster 70 have specific attachments as well. There’s also a small child seat insert that you can use and I’m strongly considering using that as it’s really easy to take in and out and it’s very lightweight. A standard child. She does seem to provide some extra protection though which is nice.
Congrats 🎉 Now you will have a new perspective on this. To me a holy grail is a bike that solves a problem of carryiing two kids simultaniously: a toddler and a baby (that’s usually how children appear in family). Not all producers solve this problem properly. I jad to sell my previous cargo bike because of its lack of this feature. Urban Arrow has best solution for me. RM you are riding does not have a good solution in my opinion. I see you carry your daughter in a car sewt steco but I believe the adapter (Steco?) Rs not an acessory that is offered on regular basis.
Trek is coming out with their front loading version Fetch+ 4 next month and it has multiple car seat attachments that work for brands that are common here in the states. It can hold up to 5 kids and is one of the most family friendly bikes I have ever seen. You should check it out.
Xlnt Video Chris. My Next R & M bike needs to accommodate my Yorkshire Terrior "Louie" (Bag 'O Donuts) who weighs in at 12.4 lbs. Or is their a solution for Louie on my current Nevo which is 4 years old. I want Louie to ride in front of me. What ideas you have Chris?
I would love to cycle with my young children, but in troutdale oregon we have terrible bike infrastructure. We have a bike lane right next to the vehicles..... I don't even feel safe being by myself in the bike lane...... So for now we have to bike for fun, in the neighborhoods.
Chris, people will find your Delaware store more easily and get there from Philly and South Jersey, if you also say the city it's in. For those outside of the Northeast USA, Delaware is a state 😀
Is the cargo/carrier box at the front permanently fixed to the frame? Is it just bolts that could be unscrewed by a thief or is it more firmly affixed?
Would love to see your take on the Madsen as well. Having ridden many cargo bikes, I personally like the feel of that ride the most. Any thoughts? Thanks so much for sharing either way! -J
Bikes and buses have been left behind in the US because of the control of auto manufacturers. That is changing and will take time. But, the "car" is still a status symbol and won't go away any time soon. I have almost 50 miles of green-way trails near and I much prefer them over the 45+mph whizzing by me on the roads, bike lane or not. I still ride on sidewalks in busy areas if I need, despite the city ordinance that says otherwise.
My name is Donald from French Polynesia want to know if you able to build a cargo bike with a little cooler with a solar powered with room for other thing but not for French Polynesia mostly to travel around the world or back around the USA thank you for reading my text
I am not sure it is that clear. Of course if you only ride your bike once a year, it is not really worth it. But the trailer I bought is for kids up to about 6 years and we share one car in the family, so I guess I will use it regularly (baby isn't born yet), even if it isn't our main mode of transportation. Seems worth it to me.
I ride a lot ... 5-6 days a week... I've bought many baby trailers, come-a-longs, and bikes to include my daughter in my love ofb.bikes. She HATED it! The more I encouraged the more she resented it... She is 19 now.... The infrequent rides with my child were not for lack of trying. .. Children are individuals and they are not going to love what you do. We are both happier with me buying the bikes I want, rather than buy her one😉
In the US, helmets aren't so much for crashing the bike. It's to protect yourself when an incompetent/drunk driver hits you. Our infrastructure is designed for cars first and cyclists have very little protection.
What? Especially if you live in a city, because you usually don't need to go that far. But probably not so great if you city does not provide any safety for bikes....
A helmet, serious? Here some numbers. From all car accidents, 70% of the people have head injuries and from that 70% has 65% a skull fracture! From all bicycle accidents, only 5% have head injuries and from that 5% also about 65% have a skull fracture. But on a bike you wear a helmet and in a car you are safe! Yes transport your car by car, because you have the highest risk to get in an accident! All these great tips from a country that abuses children in a class room and allow that in the name of equality! Well equality, as you are trans or some other gender than man or woman! You are allowed to make from your baby boy a girl as it wants to wear a dress and mutalate it. But don't put it on a bike, because that is dangerous! I was sitting on a bike as long as I know. Fiets by my parents on a bike seat that had 0 protection and only made that you didn't fall off and later on my own bike, all without a helmet! We did stunts as kid with our bike and never dit one of us hit our head! But in a car, people I know, got injured and still have problems, because cars are so safe! And yes it is good that child seats got safer, but the crap that is spread about that it is dangerous and you need to wear a helmet or other made up nonsense, must stop! Yes the risk in the USA is higher to get killed, but still is cycling safer than driving a car in the USA! Also yes as you race ore mountain bike, use a helmet if you want, but as you ride on a normal bike or cargo bike, act normal and stop thinking that you are safe with a helmet, because the fact is, is that you rase the change to get in an accident!
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Congrats on new family member
Thank you! 🙂
I was required to leave the hospital with my child in a car.
Basically there was no "walk home" or "bike home" option even though we were basically steps away from a train that also delivered us to steps away from the door to our house, we were told that we couldn't leave unless we took a taxi home.
It was pretty bizarre.
But I find the whole safety thing absurd. Driving with your child is dangerous because driving is dangerous, but nobody even questions that. Yet for bikes which mount a car seat, people consider that more dangerous than driving somehow?!
My sister locked the bike while riding on the back of my dad's bike. She's a bit special. They we're both fine and 30 years ago the technology still was in its infant days. We keep reminding her of it once in a while. Great content and congrats!
Wow! That must have been crazy! Glad everyone survived that one.
Absolutely enchanting video Chris! Of course Isabella stole the show!! Thank you for you obvious care and support of parents and kids so that they can enjoy bicycling safely together! Super range of practical options!
I began with my 3.5 month old in my Bakfiets mounted looking toward me in a used car seat securely mounted to the frame. Laying down, no head concern. Mellow trips to the stores and grammas. With my second child, I added a seat from the Netherlands on the flip down bench. My boy was 3 and sat next to his sister that was almost a year. Both in helmets. Worked for me. We still do it. He is 8 and she is 5, now. These are so fancy compared to my Surly Big Dummy and traditional Bakfiets! I never bothered with electric assist, I think suspension is kinda overkill.
Congratulations on your new baby, Isabella! We took our 3 month old on a cargo bike ride while we were in the Netherlands.
Nice presentation, and congratulations!
I have a few things to add that may help someone decide which option is best for their situation and skill level.
2 wheel trailers are usually the most affordable option since can be fitted to almost any bicycle. Schwinn, for example, has decent trailers for around $100. 2 wheel trailers are also the safest option with the following criteria: slow speeds, less experienced riders, smooth terrain, open terrain.
2 wheel trailers can quickly become dangerous with any one of the following criteria: faster speeds (over 10-12 mph), experienced riders, rough terrain, crowded terrain (esp traffic crossings). The length of this setup can be very dangerous in traffic. Even on trails the length (and width) increases the chance of collisions. A curb or significant bump to the right (unconnected) side can easily flip a trailer on it's side or even upside down. An experienced rider has habits and confidence that can work against attending to the trailer. Speed increases the chance of a flip and other problems.
To summarize, less experienced riders who probably avoid difficult situations will benefit from the stability of a 2 wheel trailer, and are probably more comfortable with the cost. Experienced riders are more comfortable with the cost of quality bicycles, and will benefit more from a bike they can ride as they are used to (in more places, at faster speeds, with more attention on traffic and terrain without having to worry about whether their cargo or passenger apparatus is safe or in danger).
A brief note about 20" long tail bikes. This is probably the best option for less experienced riders in an urban environment. It's easier to balance, and compact. More experienced riders will do better with a 24" or 26" long-tail, or a front loading box bike. An experience rider is more likely to move quickly, even when encountering rough terrain. A larger wheel handles the vibrations from speed and terrain better, and an experienced rider should be able to balance the higher load with ease. Front loading cargo bikes also have a 20" wheel (in front) but the passenger/cargo is set back from the 20" front wheel, not right on top. Some front loaders also have suspension on the front. There is no 20" long tail with rear suspension in production, and the passenger/cargo is right on top the 20" rear wheel.
Class of bike was not mentioned. Please ride class 1 with children unless you have a long commute on an ideal trail. Even without cargo, Class 1 is better for most people. Most people fair well with a fall at 10-15mph. After that the results can be exponentially bad. Additionally, Class 3 causes excess wear on brakes and batteries (with large efficiency losses due to wind resistance, getting up to speed, and greater loss of momentum when braking).
If switching over to an Ebike, know that not everything you know about bicycles applies.
Try to have a beginners mind. This is why a trailer might be a great options on a standard bicycle, but often not an Ebike. It's easier to go fast on an Ebike, and you're more likely to explore which could bring you to situations where a trailer is not welcome, practical, or safe. For experienced riders it's normal to go faster on a standard bicycle and slower on an Ebike. Ebikes shine in the areas of cargo, comfort, and practicality whereas standard bicycles are usually better for sport. Even a sporty Ebike is usually not as sporty feeling as a standard bicycle for experience riders.
Cargo Ebikes are amazing! Choose the bike(s) that fits your situation and it will be a very positive life changing decision.
Congratulations on the birth of your beautiful new baby ❤
I think a kid trailer is a really great place to start. Honestly I think pretty much everyone that has a (non-racing) bicycle should have a trailer, specifically one that has an adapter that just stays on on the rear wheel so you can attach or detach the trailer easily. Trailers are great for carrying small kids, small dogs, and groceries (sometimes all at the same time!). Hands down one of the best things to have to make bikes a lot more useful.
yea some of these fancy cargo bikes are quite expensive
Congratulations, little Isabella is a sweetie, you'll be a great dad. 💐🥰
Congrats to you and your new family, Chris. Greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
Thanks Nick! Much appreciated!
So much information in this video. Thank you. I rode on a bike seat when I was 5 and my foot went into the rear wheel spokes. Full hip cast and years later I ran a marathon. There are so many options today and people need videos like this to "see" what is available.
Congrats on your new family member! I recently got a Yuba Kombi for the sole purpose of carrying my 6yo and 1.5yo and love it. The wheels are a little bigger so it definitely had some wobble while I got used to it, but the kids prefer it to the car, even on subzero morning rides to school in the Midwestern winter (the plastic rain cover and some bike blankets that attach to the side bars helped with that). Decided on the Kombi so that I could take it on trains and on a standard car-mounted bike carrier.
Loved this video, thanks!
Hey Chris, congratulations to the both of you on the new sprout!
Got a question, only one that wasn't completely addressed in the vid: I own a '21 Load 60 and it is AWESOME! We're currently trying to conceive, so hopefully, there'll be a sprout of our own soon to ride along! With that in mind, I've been looking at ways to integrate a shell or car seat in the Load's cargo box, but so far all options (well, the one option...) have involved drilling into the cargo floor to install a metal shell carrier. I did see an excellent solution that clicks into the sides of a box, but that looks to be specifically tailored to the Urban Arrow (which we considered at one time, but I just had to go for that full suspension and Rohloff deal, which has turned out brilliant!).
So, long story long: in the vid, how did you fix the car seat to your Load 60's box?
Apropos of nothing: my girlfriend has a slight disability so she rides a cargo trike. It's a Johnny Loco E-Cargo Cruiser 5.2, and it just looks gorgeous, like a '30s Ford or something. But just to confirm your observation: it does tip over if you're not careful. So while we're keeping that one (mainly for showing off, glam rides and such), we're hoping to get into the MultiTinker in a few years time, when the Load's lease is up. Gives us some time to teach her how to ride a two wheeler now she's hooked on biking 😊
Lots of love and respect man, we really dig your channel!
Greetings from Belgium (next country over from the Netherlands, by the way, and almost as big on cycling),
Bart & Eve
You don't seem to use the the three-wheeler front loader cargo bike in the US, do you...? e.g. the Christiania bike. I never see it in any of the bike videos shot in the US.
It is like BY FAR the most popular type of cargo bike in Copenhagen, like maybe 90% of cargo bikes are of that type and we have MANY cargo bikes in this city. I think it's probably the best choice for carrying kids. We own a Winther Cargoo ourselves. The Dutch Baboo brand is also quite popular.
Congratulations on the new family member, Chris! So happy for you!!
Congratulations on the new arrival 8-)
Thank you!
We bought a WeeHoo bike trailer when my daughter was 3. It was great when we upgraded to eBikes last summer because we could go to the farmers market or take her to/from the local day camp at the Nature Center by bike. And it gives the kids the ability to pedal along. Great option IMO.
I live in Barcelona and while I would love a cargo bike or trailers, they are too bulky and heavy to be practical in a very compact and dense city where elevators are the size of a broom closet. I use a 16” urban ebike with a child seat mounted to the frame in front of me so my arms go around the child, kind of how Brompton child seats or the mountain bike mounts shown in this video are. My daughter is 5 and still fits on it with lots of room. Personally I have a really hard time balancing the bike if she goes on the back because of her weight. It’s also scary not knowing how she’s doing back there. Placing her in front keeps the weight more evenly distributed. For me, going in the front until she’s old enough to sit on the back rack like an adult is the way for us to go. Some people say it’s dangerous because if I fall, she falls. I mean, if I fall, doesn’t matter if she’s on the back or front, she’s going down with me. So we always wear a helmet, stick to bike lanes, and follow the street rules.
@@velotill I rent a bicycle parking spot for 27€/month because like a lot of people in this city, my building does not have an elevator and trying to haul bikes up the stairs has been nothing short of a tearful experience. I think bicycle parking are slowly popping up a little more, but they’re still more common in central areas. It sucks not being able to bring your bike home and and hop on or off easily, but like you said, the lack of apartment space or presence of elevators are the way of life here. Depending on where your sister lives, perhaps she can rent a parking spot too. My rental space has a couple fleets of families.
Congratulations with the birth of your daughter. Hope she will have a lof of fun riding different bikes all over the world…
Our daughter, now 5 just switched to an Urban Iki junior seat. We had to buy better feet protectors to ensure she cannot get her feet in the rear wheel.
Special cargo!!! Congrats! What a sweetie 👶🏼 looking snug as a bug🐞
Bakfiet with kid fairing! "Pretty much there is a solution for anybody" Grateful for your content and advocacy.
Nice collection of the kid transport in one package.
Also: Congratulations for the new family member!
The issue with the majority of these is price. Just looking up the R&M you have there and it's $12k in Australia. I was chatting to a guy at work who wants to get a e-bike and I showed him a few options and the price just turned him off immediately. He's thinking $1k-$2k not $7k-$12k
I transported my son at first in a chariot trailer, then by a Masden bucket bike, then bought a Yuba Mundo 14 years ago. That bike was great, i was able to ride with my son while he was holding onto handle bars that attached to my seat post. I have since bought another Yuba Mundo bike, they are great for all year riding and living in the city with out a car.
Congrats Chris! Your baby’s so cute ☺️ 🎉
Thanks a bunch! She definitely gets that from her Mom 🙂
Congratulations on your child. She looks really happy in the cargo box. Our kids are a bit older and so we want to invest in a Tern GSD. Keep us updated on your journey with your child and if you ever come to Oslo let’s go for a ride. ✌️
We need bikes with kiddie airbag protection
12:48 The School Bus bike... oMG😊
Another great video! Lots of options nowadays. Glad to see you riding in Delaware! Brandywine, Hockessin, and Pike Creek are some beautiful areas. It's less expensive than the surrounding states. I'm down in the Bear, DE area,
Much appreciated Peter! It is quite nice over here. I look forward to getting to explore a bit more as the weather warms up.
I've had both my daughters in a bike trailer from the age of about 6 months. With a good trailer (I use Hamax Traveller) and an infant seat the first few months (yes, you can get infant seats for bikes), they both loved it!
I still carry my youngest every day, all year around (in Norway) in a bike trailer 🙂
Congratulations on your baby girl! Very exciting. Welcome to the dad-bike club 😊
Love these e-bikes and this channel is excellent. Many thanks and keep the videos coming! From the UK!
Bakfiets FTW ✊🏼❤️
Congratulations on your new addition!
I’m looking forward to welcoming a new baby in May, just before the start of winter. (Based in Australia). I would love to get a front loading cargo bike to take him places.
Congratulations on your new baby girl. 👋👍
excelente vídeo!!! saudações aqui do Brasil !!!
I would worry about a young child high on the front or back . In the event of a tumble (btdt) they will have a long way to fall. A low level cargo bike , with side protection seems a lot safer
some people prefer kids behind them on a regular bike or long tail, cause then it doesn't feel like you're sticking them first into the traffic and also all passengers are in the same field of view
These are all fair points. These days or so many different designs and protection systems out there. The reality is it mostly boils down to where you’re writing as the greatest hazard tends to be automobiles.
It all depends upon infrastructure and bike model. We (I'm Brazilian, and this "We" encompass we too) tend to think of MTB and Speed, when talking "bicycles". But these two options are REALLY awful to carrying a child - they are derivatives from sports bikes. I know, since I own a gravel one.
Don't get me wrong: I love my gravel. It is fast, agile and a pleasure to ride hard.
But it is an awful city bike. The aggressive position get tiresome after some time, the weight distribution makes it easy to top over, if one gets happy with the front break. And we have very little space for everything else.
A proper city bike would not top over - it would skid the front wheel, but never top over. Yes, skidding the front wheel would result in a fall - but a lateral one. Would make no difference to the kid, being in the front or the back.
I don't have kids, but I would like to look - and interact with them! - while riding. And for this, kids on the front is king. Come to think of it, bikefiets are king - to me, the best option.
But this is me. Everyone has a different opinion, and that's quite all right.
Can confirm most of these methods work great for adults too
Great video! It would be even better if details how to install carseat into cargo bike are shown. Thank you anyway!
Thanks! My installation was quick with a bungy cord for this video, but there are accessories available for most front loading cargo bikes to add car seats to them
I've got about 5 lbs capacity left on the Thule rear seat I've been driving my kid around in for a couple of years, so I'm starting to look at what the next step up is gonna be for us. Can anyone ID the model at 10:47? is that whole stretch the benno boost?
In the Netherlands, as long as your child can not hold his/her head up, you don’t cycle with them, or need to have a bakfiets. When they can hold their heads, child goes at the front. If they get older they go at the back, and then of course their own bike.
Do you know what is recommended for trailers? I am pregnant right know and got a trailer (so I don't have to carry any extra weight if I am just on my own) and they do allow using it for newborns with a special carrier, bit I have heard conflicting recommendations....
@@j.a.1721 You can get baby slings in which you can carry a baby before he/she can sit up on his/her own. I would not use it in the first 4-5 months or so, because it is still quite bumpy compared to a real baby seat/MaxiCosi (in a cargo bike or car).
@@zoransteinmann2503 thank you! I have asked around a bit and also looked up at which age the manufacturer allows using the trailer with the baby sling/hammock and they say you can use it at 1 month. My midwife said pretty much the same, as long as I use it on paved streets and bike paths.
Congrats! It's all different now. It's way better and way worse all at the same time. When it's over, you will know you have lived. Great video!!
I am Dutch and we don't take our newborns home on a bike from the hospital 😅. We do cars, taxis, the bus or stroller.
Recommendations for taking your child on the bike is to wait until 9 months old. We usually start with a front bike seat and most kids move to the back when their sibling arrives.
New rear bike seats are required to have special foot protection to keep kids' legs away from the wheel.
In the cargo bike the recommendation is to transport your kid in a car seat from 12 weeks on, mot before that.
My god, just started to watch the video, and I am already so thankful for this sort of content! Thanks thanks thanks. Just tested an urban arrow yesterday (Belgium) we put our 7 month old in a car seat (with the adapters from urban arrow with shock absorber). The Urban Arrow did not have shock absorber in the front. And I still felt a bit scared for him. hehe, this choice is being so hard on me (what mode of transport to choose to do bike mobility with my son)
CONGRATULATIONS!
Thank you!
@@Propelbikes my pleasure, i have 4yo daughter, this vid was nice reminder of her in car seat when really tiny. Enjoy!
Congrats!
thanks!
Congratulations!! Sending love from the biking centre of the World ‘ The Netherlands’🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks Rob!
Budget is why I got a long tail bike. I get so many comments from people who have never seen a long tail bike before. I do wonder what people would think if I was driving a box bike around. I’d really blow their minds. 😂 But I love the comments. People are so curious and excited to see a “different” bike. ❤
Congratulations 🍾
Thank you!!
Congrats man. I'd love one of those front loaders for sure.
Hi friend !
Kisses from France 😘
Ride safe ! 😉
Link to the video about the adaptive bikes for people with disabilities?
Is that Wilmington? I'm a UD grad who worked for Delaware State Parks a while back. Glad you're enjoying the parks! Congrats on your new baby!
Living in Portland, OR now. I have a 10-month-old, and I'm looking at options to ride with him this year. Thinking either an E-assist long tail or bakfiet. Any suggestions on models?
Great video! Do you also have one where you show how to mount a baby child seat on a packster 70 bakfiets please? :)
I know what it's like when you're carrying Precious cargo but it feels good when that little dumpling depends on you 💗
Congratulations 🎉 great news and nice content on your channel 😊
How do you attach the infant carrier seat in the RM Load?
Regards from Germany
Thanks! Much appreciated! This child seat, I just strapped in, but there is a special child seat holder that has suspension on it. Some bikes like the Urban Arrow and the Packster 70 have specific attachments as well. There’s also a small child seat insert that you can use and I’m strongly considering using that as it’s really easy to take in and out and it’s very lightweight. A standard child. She does seem to provide some extra protection though which is nice.
RM should have an ISOFIX option like cars have, tell them Chris
OMG!!! Dave and I were just there Chris. Hiya Isabella!!! 👋🏾 I’m on my way back to Delaware as we speak for a whole week.
Congrats 🎉 Now you will have a new perspective on this. To me a holy grail is a bike that solves a problem of carryiing two kids simultaniously: a toddler and a baby (that’s usually how children appear in family). Not all producers solve this problem properly. I jad to sell my previous cargo bike because of its lack of this feature. Urban Arrow has best solution for me. RM you are riding does not have a good solution in my opinion. I see you carry your daughter in a car sewt steco but I believe the adapter (Steco?) Rs not an acessory that is offered on regular basis.
Trek is coming out with their front loading version Fetch+ 4 next month and it has multiple car seat attachments that work for brands that are common here in the states. It can hold up to 5 kids and is one of the most family friendly bikes I have ever seen. You should check it out.
Congrats
Thanks Thomas!
nice video ! thanks !
The first seconds of this video is outrageous....so if the bike falls a newborn has zero protection??
Xlnt Video Chris. My Next R & M bike needs to accommodate my Yorkshire Terrior "Louie" (Bag 'O Donuts) who weighs in at 12.4 lbs. Or is their a solution for Louie on my current Nevo which is 4 years old. I want Louie to ride in front of me. What ideas you have Chris?
So you're saying that I, a 30-year old adult, can sit in the back seat because I'm under 140 Ibs? ...Sweet.
I would like to have a cargobike where i sit and steer and let the little rats peddle.
Thats the first time I've heard that idea
Might work better if your chain-gang pedals. Maybe too young to peddle (merchandise). "Rats" no; galley-slaves maybe kinda. Interesting idea.
All good points..
I would love to cycle with my young children, but in troutdale oregon we have terrible bike infrastructure. We have a bike lane right next to the vehicles..... I don't even feel safe being by myself in the bike lane...... So for now we have to bike for fun, in the neighborhoods.
What's your recommendation for a bakfiets style bike with the lowest point of entry here in the US ($)?
Chris, people will find your Delaware store more easily and get there from Philly and South Jersey, if you also say the city it's in. For those outside of the Northeast USA, Delaware is a state 😀
Is the cargo/carrier box at the front permanently fixed to the frame? Is it just bolts that could be unscrewed by a thief or is it more firmly affixed?
Would love to see your take on the Madsen as well.
Having ridden many cargo bikes, I personally like the feel of that ride the most.
Any thoughts?
Thanks so much for sharing either way!
-J
Bikes and buses have been left behind in the US because of the control of auto manufacturers. That is changing and will take time. But, the "car" is still a status symbol and won't go away any time soon. I have almost 50 miles of green-way trails near and I much prefer them over the 45+mph whizzing by me on the roads, bike lane or not. I still ride on sidewalks in busy areas if I need, despite the city ordinance that says otherwise.
Congratulations 🎉
Great video. Shared!
Great show - Thanks
Congrats idol
Congratulations! She’s beautiful, and I meant your daughter not the bike 😊.
Riese & Müller: In Denmark (Danmark) we call them Long John 1929 ;-)
My name is Donald from French Polynesia want to know if you able to build a cargo bike with a little cooler with a solar powered with room for other thing but not for French Polynesia mostly to travel around the world or back around the USA thank you for reading my text
Child on a handlebar is forbidden in many contries like Germany. I can understand this.
ruclips.net/video/naRBZcpVtX8/видео.html Not Safe. The moped blowing through the bike lane seems to be an issue everywhere.
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They grow too fast. Unless, you have transpor t your kids by bike, it's not worth te investment...😉
I am not sure it is that clear. Of course if you only ride your bike once a year, it is not really worth it. But the trailer I bought is for kids up to about 6 years and we share one car in the family, so I guess I will use it regularly (baby isn't born yet), even if it isn't our main mode of transportation. Seems worth it to me.
I ride a lot ... 5-6 days a week... I've bought many baby trailers, come-a-longs, and bikes to include my daughter in my love ofb.bikes. She HATED it! The more I encouraged the more she resented it... She is 19 now....
The infrequent rides with my child were not for lack of trying. .. Children are individuals and they are not going to love what you do. We are both happier with me buying the bikes I want, rather than buy her one😉
Now we need someone to design and make a kids playhouse on wheels!!!
Only a truck for my baby! You taking crazy chances with a new baby! There are idiot drivers out there!!
In the US, helmets aren't so much for crashing the bike. It's to protect yourself when an incompetent/drunk driver hits you. Our infrastructure is designed for cars first and cyclists have very little protection.
Not so great if you live in a city.
What? Especially if you live in a city, because you usually don't need to go that far. But probably not so great if you city does not provide any safety for bikes....
A helmet, serious?
Here some numbers.
From all car accidents, 70% of the people have head injuries and from that 70% has 65% a skull fracture!
From all bicycle accidents, only 5% have head injuries and from that 5% also about 65% have a skull fracture.
But on a bike you wear a helmet and in a car you are safe!
Yes transport your car by car, because you have the highest risk to get in an accident!
All these great tips from a country that abuses children in a class room and allow that in the name of equality! Well equality, as you are trans or some other gender than man or woman!
You are allowed to make from your baby boy a girl as it wants to wear a dress and mutalate it. But don't put it on a bike, because that is dangerous!
I was sitting on a bike as long as I know. Fiets by my parents on a bike seat that had 0 protection and only made that you didn't fall off and later on my own bike, all without a helmet! We did stunts as kid with our bike and never dit one of us hit our head!
But in a car, people I know, got injured and still have problems, because cars are so safe!
And yes it is good that child seats got safer, but the crap that is spread about that it is dangerous and you need to wear a helmet or other made up nonsense, must stop!
Yes the risk in the USA is higher to get killed, but still is cycling safer than driving a car in the USA!
Also yes as you race ore mountain bike, use a helmet if you want, but as you ride on a normal bike or cargo bike, act normal and stop thinking that you are safe with a helmet, because the fact is, is that you rase the change to get in an accident!
The most precious thing in the world and you think it’s safe to ride in traffic with your child you are delusional ?
How is that different than driving with a kid?
@@James-vj5hz also aren't pedestrian deaths also rising due to increasing vehicle sizes? So I guess you are only safe in a tank.