the back ground music is very distracting from your excellent information..please consider not having such an addition to allow those of us who are particularly noise sensitive to enjoy our most generous free education. thank you very much sandy
yes thanks you for posting, just found Dr Porges, his sci. aligns with Gabor Mate and Nortan Hadler... clearly correct, why can't we get their ideas implemented into action in care giving, education, IT management...
Very good, I've had issues with my partner when we may be in an argument and she says I am speaking in a booming manner, when to me that isn't happening, she imitates what she hears and it seems only the lowest frequency is being heard. I had felt I was being accused of speaking in a manner which I was not, this gives me a much deeper understanding of what may be going on.
I LOVE your voice and feels very safe. I feel the music is very distracting. (sorry!!!) Just wanted to let you know. Those of us with misaphonia (sp?) may have a hard time with it. Thank you for your AMAZING work!!
WHY THE BACKGROUND MUSIC??? see, this to me shows a brushing off of a core brain issue: our brain can only focus on one thing at a time. If you play music while you speak, my attention is divided. Notice how it becomes optimal when Porges begins to speak and the annoying music is gone. Please stop doing this, video makers!!!! who wants to be overwhelmed? only the unconscious ones among us.
couldn't agree more, nearly skipped this due to annoying background music in intro. glad it was ended when interview began or def wouldn't have continued.
Yes! This point you’re making applies to many - almost all public spaces. The music at my gym is both too loud and awful. Retail spaces, same. We live in a mindless culture and the noise reflects and perpetuates that
I find the mention of the ear very interesting!! Ive been to a specialist trying to figure out why I have a quick like clicking in my ear. It happens a lot when I am deep in anxious thought and especially when I’m in a room full of people talking.
I'd be really interested to find out in some detail what's going on with the vagas system in Autism. Why is there too much stimulus in Autism from surroundings, noise, light movement etc? If anyone can point me in the right direction
People on the spectrum have bigger amygdalas (hyper responsive to feeling in danger) and from birth many are disregulated from either too much sensory stimulation or too little, or both. This can also coincide with decreased motor planning (apraxia) and low tone, which lead to difficulty in the ability to make predictions about what will happen next, which leads to feeling unsafe and constantly surprised by everyday life, hence wanting everything to stay the same. If a child is constantly disregulated, they cannot focus and interact and learn, when they are constantly trying to calm their bodies (if they even know how to calm their bodies).....It is very individual in each child. But the struggle to feel safe in their body and in the world, affects all aspects of their lives.
@@rebeccaklinenberg2391 thank you for sharing this information my niece has autism and she was highly functional until her parents divorced and her mom moved out we didn't see them but in a year she would isolate and don't talk to us when before she would ask for what she needed easily and would sit with us without problem now I see that this changes threw her off balance and she is growing and un especial education after being diagnosed at 8 years old.
I do not agree with the suggestion, for example, of trying Gibberish with your partner or singing (i.e. using non verbal expression, prosody of voice to express one's emotions/affect states more directly - or rather to be quite frank in my view more indirectly) as to not "trigger the other" but to express nonetheless how you are feeling to your partner. In other words, attempting to cultivate an atmosphere of safety for the other by still attempting to maintain honesty and authenticity in terms of expressive underlying feelings, by trying singing out how you feeling, gibberish, etc. is to me and in my life and practice a bit adolescent or infantile! Triggerring is a GOOD THING! To be TRIGGERED is an opportunity to grow, as long as we are mature enough to co-repair, which can naturally take time; and come to understand (and understanably it is difficult for many) that ALL our natural unadulterated knock down drag out dramatic verbal/non-verbal (not symbolically teased out and made safe by secondary or tertiarty means) is an opportunity if we can (e.g., in therapy guided) allow and learn to hear behind the hearing. In other words, if we can spontaneously express nakedly whatever spews forth and then (learn to become concurrently safe) and thus pause, reflect discuss and go deeper. Then, we don't have to (unconsciously) guard ourselves by using adolescent tertiary or secondry means (i.e., gibberish or singing out to the other) but rather use the FULL natural vehicles, the inter-exchange of our human bodily-based emotional selves (affect expression); our unwatched, unadulterated, however "scary" (initially trigerring) voice,, our words; the full panaply of our emotional demeanors through whatever angry, hurtful, etc words emerge. This requires pause, down regulatating and listening after moments of "triggering." . In other words, learn how to be "safe" with whatever words/expression is exchanged , listen behind the surface meaning of the words and thus obtain deeper, meaningful and integrated communication without fight, flight or earlier parasympathic freeze/shut down!
Highly intellectualized way of saying “just get to safety and talk about it” while monumentally missing the point about how hard and critically important that safety is. It’s more important than the conversation. Co regulating in safety is the key, not a mind based or language based conversation.
@@Kormac80 You’re missing the point. I am not talking about a mind based or language based conversation in order to then make it ok to “get to safety” but rather (understanding) how we use our words as defenses not to express or rather to adaptively arm ourselves against what we feel. 93% of all communication is beneath the words. It is not about intellectual or semantic overtures or a linguistic prescriptive appeal that I am talking about but the felt-courage to allow being (i.e., sympathetic-adrenal to ventral vagal safety) without distinction, that is, between the increasing felt non-necessity or less defensive posture of holding of one’s breath and allowing for the exchange/speaking of one’s being which is the essence of co-regulation. It is by cultivating (not through words as prescriptive signifiers) the underlying foundations of neuroceptive and interoceptive safety that make that possible.
@@Neilgs To me the point is the co-regulation. Making it a habit in the relationship. All else is window dressing. Finding the methods to acquire co-regulation and be in that space and create the explicit intention of harmony and understanding the behaviors that contribute to harmony and those that sabotage it. And the ability to adhere to the mutually agreed path towards harmony is the indication of the viability of the relationship. Simple clear language to express basic human needs. No jargon needed.
Reproducible rigorous scientific investigation and published results is necessary if these pioneers are to be taken seriously. It sounds authoritative but anecdotal.
That model is over-rated. As a medical editor who has worked in the field of published peer reviewed evidence, we have a massive cognitive bias as a society into believing that model is the gold standard. It’s actually rife with bias, inaccuracy and other problems. Your default reflex to that as an objection to this may seem responsible or scientific, but it’s basically a meaningless comment. How does one perform accurate experiments about such deeply social and emotional issues covered by polyvagal theory in a manner that captures a real world data point that can be published and replicated? Connect monitors to people and traumatize them? In a controlled setting? You see? That comment about publishable and repeatable does not apply to all aspects of human inquiry and knowledge. The comment expecting such a thing reveals a lack of understanding about this topic and the criteria you advocate.
Stephen Porges is a genius. His work is earth shatteringly important. He deserves the Nobel Prize.
As a therapist this is life changing information ! Thank you so much
the back ground music is very distracting from your excellent information..please consider not having such an addition to allow those of us who are particularly noise sensitive to enjoy our most generous free education.
thank you very much
sandy
yes thanks you for posting, just found Dr Porges, his sci. aligns with Gabor Mate and Nortan Hadler... clearly correct, why can't we get their ideas implemented into action in care giving, education, IT management...
pamela exactly, why can't we? great comment.
Because there is no money in it. That is why.
ahh yes - is no one in 'health care' to care for health :(
Hello. Links on nortan work. Thank you
What a fantastic interview!! This is what I had been seeking for, for a good while. It answered many things I had been wishing to clarify. Thanks!
Very good, I've had issues with my partner when we may be in an argument and she says I am speaking in a booming manner, when to me that isn't happening, she imitates what she hears and it seems only the lowest frequency is being heard. I had felt I was being accused of speaking in a manner which I was not, this gives me a much deeper understanding of what may be going on.
David Finlayson it's very kind that you care and are seeking understanding. It will support your partner.
took me 3 hours to watch this in full, but totally worth it.
Hmm, my body shook for 3 months every morning after leaving alcoholic marriage of 28 yrs.
I W I hope you feel better now.
I LOVE your voice and feels very safe. I feel the music is very distracting. (sorry!!!) Just wanted to let you know. Those of us with misaphonia (sp?) may have a hard time with it. Thank you for your AMAZING work!!
WHY THE BACKGROUND MUSIC??? see, this to me shows a brushing off of a core brain issue: our brain can only focus on one thing at a time. If you play music while you speak, my attention is divided. Notice how it becomes optimal when Porges begins to speak and the annoying music is gone. Please stop doing this, video makers!!!! who wants to be overwhelmed? only the unconscious ones among us.
couldn't agree more, nearly skipped this due to annoying background music in intro. glad it was ended when interview began or def wouldn't have continued.
Yes! This point you’re making applies to many - almost all public spaces. The music at my gym is both too loud and awful. Retail spaces, same. We live in a mindless culture and the noise reflects and perpetuates that
I find the mention of the ear very interesting!! Ive been to a specialist trying to figure out why I have a quick like clicking in my ear. It happens a lot when I am deep in anxious thought and especially when I’m in a room full of people talking.
fascinating stuff. this makes so much sense! this is so true!
Thanks for the upload.
ahh the music stops lter in the track...most appreciated
great interview and intro/outro music!
Circuits of health , growth and restoration .... do we feel safe enough to co-regulate ?
I'd be really interested to find out in some detail what's going on with the vagas system in Autism.
Why is there too much stimulus in Autism from surroundings, noise, light movement etc?
If anyone can point me in the right direction
People on the spectrum have bigger amygdalas (hyper responsive to feeling in danger) and from birth many are disregulated from either too much sensory stimulation or too little, or both. This can also coincide with decreased motor planning (apraxia) and low tone, which lead to difficulty in the ability to make predictions about what will happen next, which leads to feeling unsafe and constantly surprised by everyday life, hence wanting everything to stay the same. If a child is constantly disregulated, they cannot focus and interact and learn, when they are constantly trying to calm their bodies (if they even know how to calm their bodies).....It is very individual in each child. But the struggle to feel safe in their body and in the world, affects all aspects of their lives.
@@rebeccaklinenberg2391 thank you for sharing this information my niece has autism and she was highly functional until her parents divorced and her mom moved out we didn't see them but in a year she would isolate and don't talk to us when before she would ask for what she needed easily and would sit with us without problem now I see that this changes threw her off balance and she is growing and un especial education after being diagnosed at 8 years old.
So important. Thank you.
fascinating
Way is there no picture???
I tried googling “prosetic voice” but only prosthetic voice came up. How do you spell it, please?
NM, I found it. Prosody & prosodic👌🏼😄
Taking away the power of the implicit body memories ....
could sure do without the distracting music in the background that makes it difficult to hear the introduction.
I can't hear you talking over that obnoxious music.
I do not agree with the suggestion, for example, of trying Gibberish with your partner or singing (i.e. using non verbal expression, prosody of voice to express one's emotions/affect states more directly - or rather to be quite frank in my view more indirectly) as to not "trigger the other" but to express nonetheless how you are feeling to your partner. In other words, attempting to cultivate an atmosphere of safety for the other by still attempting to maintain honesty and authenticity in terms of expressive underlying feelings, by trying singing out how you feeling, gibberish, etc. is to me and in my life and practice a bit adolescent or infantile!
Triggerring is a GOOD THING! To be TRIGGERED is an opportunity to grow, as long as we are mature enough to co-repair, which can naturally take time; and come to understand (and understanably it is difficult for many) that ALL our natural unadulterated knock down drag out dramatic verbal/non-verbal (not symbolically teased out and made safe by secondary or tertiarty means) is an opportunity if we can (e.g., in therapy guided) allow and learn to hear behind the hearing. In other words, if we can spontaneously express nakedly whatever spews forth and then (learn to become concurrently safe) and thus pause, reflect discuss and go deeper.
Then, we don't have to (unconsciously) guard ourselves by using adolescent tertiary or secondry means (i.e., gibberish or singing out to the other) but rather use the FULL natural vehicles, the inter-exchange of our human bodily-based emotional selves (affect expression); our unwatched, unadulterated, however "scary" (initially trigerring) voice,, our words; the full panaply of our emotional demeanors through whatever angry, hurtful, etc words emerge. This requires pause, down regulatating and listening after moments of "triggering." . In other words, learn how to be "safe" with whatever words/expression is exchanged , listen behind the surface meaning of the words and thus obtain deeper, meaningful and integrated communication without fight, flight or earlier parasympathic freeze/shut down!
Highly intellectualized way of saying “just get to safety and talk about it” while monumentally missing the point about how hard and critically important that safety is. It’s more important than the conversation. Co regulating in safety is the key, not a mind based or language based conversation.
@@Kormac80 You’re missing the point. I am not talking about a mind based or language based conversation in order to then make it ok to “get to safety” but rather (understanding) how we use our words as defenses not to express or rather to adaptively arm ourselves against what we feel. 93% of all communication is beneath the words. It is not about intellectual or semantic overtures or a linguistic prescriptive appeal that I am talking about but the felt-courage to allow being (i.e., sympathetic-adrenal to ventral vagal safety) without distinction, that is, between the increasing felt non-necessity or less defensive posture of holding of one’s breath and allowing for the exchange/speaking of one’s being which is the essence of co-regulation. It is by cultivating (not through words as prescriptive signifiers) the underlying foundations of neuroceptive and interoceptive safety that make that possible.
@@Neilgs To me the point is the co-regulation. Making it a habit in the relationship. All else is window dressing. Finding the methods to acquire co-regulation and be in that space and create the explicit intention of harmony and understanding the behaviors that contribute to harmony and those that sabotage it. And the ability to adhere to the mutually agreed path towards harmony is the indication of the viability of the relationship. Simple clear language to express basic human needs. No jargon needed.
Reproducible rigorous scientific investigation and published results is necessary if these pioneers are to be taken seriously. It sounds authoritative but anecdotal.
That model is over-rated. As a medical editor who has worked in the field of published peer reviewed evidence, we have a massive cognitive bias as a society into believing that model is the gold standard. It’s actually rife with bias, inaccuracy and other problems.
Your default reflex to that as an objection to this may seem responsible or scientific, but it’s basically a meaningless comment. How does one perform accurate experiments about such deeply social and emotional issues covered by polyvagal theory in a manner that captures a real world data point that can be published and replicated? Connect monitors to people and traumatize them? In a controlled setting? You see?
That comment about publishable and repeatable does not apply to all aspects of human inquiry and knowledge. The comment expecting such a thing reveals a lack of understanding about this topic and the criteria you advocate.