Timestamps 0:00 Intro 1:00 Specs & Tech 1:46 Construction 2:25 Issues with Existing Pickleballs on Market 3:22 Durability 4:15 I froze a ball 6:05 Performance vs Other Balls 7:52 1 Year No Crack Warranty 8:32 Concluding Thoughts
X-40s are rotomolded as well. What you are seeing with them and ALL rotomolded balls is not a seam but a molding mark (witness line) where the 2 molds come together. The problem with Franklins is the the molds are often poorly aligned resulting in a larger molding mark and a ball that often wobbles when new. They have gotten better over the past year or so. Duras are also rotomolded and have similar mold alignment issues. The Pro S1 simply has better quality molds that align really well resulting in a smaller mark. The Gearbox GB1 and CORE balls are a bit different in that their molding mark is actually slightly recessed.
Have you noticed any inconsistency in bounce? We played for 2 hrs today with my first ball and like the speed and look forward to better durability (as everyone is reporting), especially as we get in more outdoor games in the 30's and low 40's during Oregon winter play. But we also noticed some inconsistency on bounces, especially on serves - sometimes like a mini kick serve, sometimes like a backspin skidder. Don't really get that with Franklins and only occasionally with Duras as they start to deform.
You should mention the specifics of the warranty and a disclaimer if you're sponsored by selkirk. Apparently you need to have at least 4 cracked ones to submit a claim and it costs $6 to submit. Also on their warranty page "Normal wear and tear are also not covered under this warranty."
Also, it will not apply to any ball that has gone out-of-round. So, if they've designed a ball that goes out-of-round quickly, then it wouldn't be covered by the warranty.
agreed, hard to find that. Wish somebody would make a video about the px40 high-speed pickleballs. Currently, the favorite at my courts but not many people have heard of it.
These hold up better than any other ball, but they still break in the cold. I live in the northeast and was playing when it was in the high 20's last weekish, and we went through two of these in like 5 hours. If we were using franklins it would have been probably 4 or 5 those are horrible in the cold. Haven't tried cashing in on the warranty as the balls weren't mine. Still the best ball out there imo and come from tennis and tend to be a banger.
let us know how the warranty process goes, and if it's cost effective after paying packing and shipping costs to return the cracked balls. often times companies calculate low claims on warranty, due to low cost of product and high return costs. consumers will just buy more balls rather than dealing with warranty claim time and cost. in these cases having long warranty Makes for good marketing...regardless of product quality...low risk due to projected low claim rate.
These are indeed GREAT balls! I got three of them to T&E a little over a month ago and none have cracked yet. We've had temps ranging from the mid 80's down to low 40's during that time. On the colder nights we cracked several X-40's while the Pro S1 did not crack! They actually play very well in the colder temps and are definitely the new "winter ball" of choice. Since I only had three to test each ball has gotten a LOT of play time. Two of the three did eventually develop a slight wobble and all the balls softened up over time, but nowhere near as soft as an X-40. I do hope Selkirk wins the ball bid for PPA and becomes the new standard ball for Pro's and tournament play. The recent play at Nationals with the X-40 demonstrated that a slower ball does make for some great spectating, however at the cost of increased difficulty with ending rallies and extending games/matches.
I find them to start going visually out of round slightly during the 2nd or 3rd game, but nowhere close to as badly as a Dura and it doesn't really affect playability. What is unique is that they recover their shape if you put the ball away for a game or so.
It probably is just an imprint of the seam on the rotomold. It sounds like other balls are usually formed from two halves while the material for this ball is evenly distributed on the inside of the mold as one piece. I don’t think the line in the video is technically a seam
@@blockchainbaboon7617 That's a possibility but the mold for the two pieces to be built separately like the other balls are not full circular molds but half molds. The full mold is when the two pieces are compressed and glued together. It would seem odd the full circular mold would cause a seam imprint if the ball is fully formed as one piece.
That's a good idea, I shouldve done that! Dura's 100% will crack easier-- I've had brand new ones crack in one session without it being cold. Franklins typically hold up fairly well in colder weather because they're softer balls. But if theyre a bit older and used, they will eventually crack in the cold.
Saw some name brand pickleballs at the WalMart, Ace Hardware and of course with Bens picture on them. Are these made for factory store balls? Sometimes players show up with these ball and they are just mush.
There are a lot of other balls that are rotomolded, not just these. For many of those other balls, you just see the seam from where the two halves of the mold meet. But they are still one piece rotomolded balls. This includes the Franklin X40 balll. They don't typically crack on that seam and instead crack between the holes. I've tested alot of other balls and the two most durable are the Takeya ball and Core ball. Looking forward to testing these Pro S1 balls too.
Bought some and played today. I played with a lot of bangers, and still looking good. SO yeah, time will tell, but right now......1 Year Warrantee is WORTH THE MONEY!!!!!!
Like any ball designed for a hardcourt surface, these will skid quite a bit on hardwood. The indoor/outdoor moniker isn't really accurate as it's more about court surface.
Seeing all the Selkirk branding kind of took me out of the video. All three* guys had Selkirk shirts on, Selkirk paddles, telling us how great the new Selkirk ball is.
Sounds like these are a more durable version of the Dura-fast 40...Awesome! I like Dura but HATE breakage. Franklin's are great but they will crack eventually ... Once these enter the tournament circuit, say goodbye to the others..
This ball can be surmised right in the intro where the two guys are banging it at each other until finaly the one in the blue decides to just move and the ball flies out the back out-of-bounds. Get used to that with this ball. I felt like they are just as fast if not faster than the Dura, and pleeeeenty "poppy". That's why I like the X-40. As a casual player, if I wanted that kind of ball speed all the time I'd have stuck with ping-pong. I can see this ball being popular with the Durafast fans, but if you don't play with those already, you're not going to give up your X-40 for it. Maybe in cold weather if you are seeing a lot of cracking, but most people I know start playing with Onix brands and such in that case, as a slower ball is easier to adapt to for average players then a faster one.
I have not tried the balls yet but …….Selkirk’s warranty is a load of bullshit. Here’s why: (1) You must submit a minimum of (4) balls for a claim (2) “Normal wear and tear is NOT covered” (3) You have to pay $6.00 for each claim. Question: If abuse and misuse is not covered AND normal wear and tear is not covered, what the HELL is covered? The best part is that you don’t get ANY notice of these “warranty” terms until AFTER you buy and complete the warranty registration. So, if you laid out $2.50 each for 4 cracked balls (plus tax) you will pay another $6 to file a warranty claim for a total of $16. That’s $4.00 per ball. Like I said, the product had better be good because the warranty sucks ass.
You really need to mention the disclaimer regarding the 1 Year Warranty … ALL 4 balls need to be cracked (standard pack), for them to be replaced. You also scream like a girl, but that’s beside the point.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:00 Specs & Tech
1:46 Construction
2:25 Issues with Existing Pickleballs on Market
3:22 Durability
4:15 I froze a ball
6:05 Performance vs Other Balls
7:52 1 Year No Crack Warranty
8:32 Concluding Thoughts
X-40s are rotomolded as well. What you are seeing with them and ALL rotomolded balls is not a seam but a molding mark (witness line) where the 2 molds come together. The problem with Franklins is the the molds are often poorly aligned resulting in a larger molding mark and a ball that often wobbles when new. They have gotten better over the past year or so. Duras are also rotomolded and have similar mold alignment issues. The Pro S1 simply has better quality molds that align really well resulting in a smaller mark. The Gearbox GB1 and CORE balls are a bit different in that their molding mark is actually slightly recessed.
Have you noticed any inconsistency in bounce? We played for 2 hrs today with my first ball and like the speed and look forward to better durability (as everyone is reporting), especially as we get in more outdoor games in the 30's and low 40's during Oregon winter play. But we also noticed some inconsistency on bounces, especially on serves - sometimes like a mini kick serve, sometimes like a backspin skidder. Don't really get that with Franklins and only occasionally with Duras as they start to deform.
You should mention the specifics of the warranty and a disclaimer if you're sponsored by selkirk.
Apparently you need to have at least 4 cracked ones to submit a claim and it costs $6 to submit. Also on their warranty page "Normal wear and tear are also not covered under this warranty."
Also, it will not apply to any ball that has gone out-of-round.
So, if they've designed a ball that goes out-of-round quickly, then it wouldn't be covered by the warranty.
@@tedmorin9232 didn't realize this.
Of course you’re going to mark out to the ball. You are all playing with and wearing Selkirk products. Need to have a completely independent tester
Agree 💯
That’s what I’m thinking too. A little disclaimer is def appropriate. Lmao.
Joola fan girls up in arms rn
agreed, hard to find that. Wish somebody would make a video about the px40 high-speed pickleballs. Currently, the favorite at my courts but not many people have heard of it.
Can they be used indoors
as well?
So are you guys like all affiliated with Selkirk?
Had a chance awhile back to play a couple games with the S1. Liked it for all areas. I'd be willing to try more for longer.
These hold up better than any other ball, but they still break in the cold. I live in the northeast and was playing when it was in the high 20's last weekish, and we went through two of these in like 5 hours. If we were using franklins it would have been probably 4 or 5 those are horrible in the cold. Haven't tried cashing in on the warranty as the balls weren't mine. Still the best ball out there imo and come from tennis and tend to be a banger.
let us know how the warranty process goes, and if it's cost effective after paying packing and shipping costs to return the cracked balls. often times companies calculate low claims on warranty, due to low cost of product and high return costs. consumers will just buy more balls rather than dealing with warranty claim time and cost. in these cases having long warranty Makes for good marketing...regardless of product quality...low risk due to projected low claim rate.
We've cracked 3 already. apparently you need to crack 4 of them before you get a warranty.
These are indeed GREAT balls! I got three of them to T&E a little over a month ago and none have cracked yet. We've had temps ranging from the mid 80's down to low 40's during that time. On the colder nights we cracked several X-40's while the Pro S1 did not crack! They actually play very well in the colder temps and are definitely the new "winter ball" of choice. Since I only had three to test each ball has gotten a LOT of play time. Two of the three did eventually develop a slight wobble and all the balls softened up over time, but nowhere near as soft as an X-40. I do hope Selkirk wins the ball bid for PPA and becomes the new standard ball for Pro's and tournament play. The recent play at Nationals with the X-40 demonstrated that a slower ball does make for some great spectating, however at the cost of increased difficulty with ending rallies and extending games/matches.
I'm really hoping they win the ball bid as well! I'd be so happy because I really enjoy training with these balls.
How do these hold up when using them in a ball machine?
I find them to start going visually out of round slightly during the 2nd or 3rd game, but nowhere close to as badly as a Dura and it doesn't really affect playability. What is unique is that they recover their shape if you put the ball away for a game or so.
Is that not a seam on the S1 at the 3:45 mark?
That is exactly what I was about to ask. There is clearly a seam showing in the close up view of the ball.
It probably is just an imprint of the seam on the rotomold. It sounds like other balls are usually formed from two halves while the material for this ball is evenly distributed on the inside of the mold as one piece.
I don’t think the line in the video is technically a seam
@@blockchainbaboon7617 That's a possibility but the mold for the two pieces to be built separately like the other balls are not full circular molds but half molds. The full mold is when the two pieces are compressed and glued together. It would seem odd the full circular mold would cause a seam imprint if the ball is fully formed as one piece.
Can you guys freeze a Franklin and dura and see if it cracks easier
That's a good idea, I shouldve done that!
Dura's 100% will crack easier-- I've had brand new ones crack in one session without it being cold.
Franklins typically hold up fairly well in colder weather because they're softer balls. But if theyre a bit older and used, they will eventually crack in the cold.
Great vid, can’t wait to get some🤙
@@edjupickleball I can confirm duras crack after a session or two lol
My problem is why does selkirk charge so much for shipping? Paying dang near 30 bucks for just the small pack of 4 balls?
And there’s apparently warranty fee lol
@@siaofu83 wow i didnt know that, thats wild wtf
Free shipping at $35.
Buy 12
Saw some name brand pickleballs at the WalMart, Ace Hardware and of course with Bens picture on them. Are these made for factory store balls? Sometimes players show up with these ball and they are just mush.
I’ll have to give these a shot. I love the Duras and if this plays similar but with better durability, I’m in.
Are they primarily an outdoor ball?
You have to be kidding. Of course they are an outdoor ball.
There are a lot of other balls that are rotomolded, not just these. For many of those other balls, you just see the seam from where the two halves of the mold meet. But they are still one piece rotomolded balls. This includes the Franklin X40 balll. They don't typically crack on that seam and instead crack between the holes. I've tested alot of other balls and the two most durable are the Takeya ball and Core ball. Looking forward to testing these Pro S1 balls too.
try the diadem balls.
Bought some and played today. I played with a lot of bangers, and still looking good. SO yeah, time will tell, but right now......1 Year Warrantee is WORTH THE MONEY!!!!!!
Are these indoor balls as well? On a hardwood floor?
You can use them for indoors, but there’s also balls designed specifically for indoors that are thicker and have larger holes.
Like any ball designed for a hardcourt surface, these will skid quite a bit on hardwood. The indoor/outdoor moniker isn't really accurate as it's more about court surface.
Seeing all the Selkirk branding kind of took me out of the video. All three* guys had Selkirk shirts on, Selkirk paddles, telling us how great the new Selkirk ball is.
Sounds like these are a more durable version of the Dura-fast 40...Awesome!
I like Dura but HATE breakage.
Franklin's are great but they will crack eventually ...
Once these enter the tournament circuit, say goodbye to the others..
Think there will still be those players on the court who won’t play with them if they’re not a Franklin ? 😅😂
Waiting to see if I win some in a drawing I just entered. Will pay the higher price for these results. Thanks for taking the time to test them.
Great review!!! Just ordered using your promo code!!!
looks like a seam there @ 334 ???
Yes, this is a ridiculous video.
Northwest pickleballs are just as durable. I have had them for months and I'm a 4.0 player and have not cracked yet consistent play daily
4.0 players don't have enough power to Crack balks fast.
I hear thsi ball goes out of round much faster than the X-40 and therefore makes the Franklin a more duarbale ball than the Pro S1.
This ball can be surmised right in the intro where the two guys are banging it at each other until finaly the one in the blue decides to just move and the ball flies out the back out-of-bounds. Get used to that with this ball. I felt like they are just as fast if not faster than the Dura, and pleeeeenty "poppy". That's why I like the X-40. As a casual player, if I wanted that kind of ball speed all the time I'd have stuck with ping-pong. I can see this ball being popular with the Durafast fans, but if you don't play with those already, you're not going to give up your X-40 for it. Maybe in cold weather if you are seeing a lot of cracking, but most people I know start playing with Onix brands and such in that case, as a slower ball is easier to adapt to for average players then a faster one.
Ya that ONYX is a mushball and makes bad players look good. I can remember when the ONIX pure was the original mushball.
this is an advertisement. how you gonna have selkirk sponsored players give the review.
3:25 kitchen
carry your frozen balls with extra care😁
I have not tried the balls yet but …….Selkirk’s warranty is a load of bullshit. Here’s why: (1) You must submit a minimum of (4) balls for a claim (2) “Normal wear and tear is NOT covered” (3) You have to pay $6.00 for each claim. Question: If abuse and misuse is not covered AND normal wear and tear is not covered, what the HELL is covered? The best part is that you don’t get ANY notice of these “warranty” terms until AFTER you buy and complete the warranty registration. So, if you laid out $2.50 each for 4 cracked balls (plus tax) you will pay another $6 to file a warranty claim for a total of $16. That’s $4.00 per ball. Like I said, the product had better be good because the warranty sucks ass.
@3:24 You lost all cred for this damn foot fault and even putting it on the video. Forever 3.5
I have the PCKL balls and they never crack. X40's are trash.
I have played with them and they do last but this clown is sponsored by Selkirk
You really need to mention the disclaimer regarding the 1 Year Warranty … ALL 4 balls need to be cracked (standard pack), for them to be replaced.
You also scream like a girl, but that’s beside the point.