Most of us went to your video to learn something new to us. I wanted to learn step by step what to do with analysis after I finished a game. Title says how to use tools not TOOL. What about the report, moments, and details features? What does the magnifying glass do? I see it takes me to moves I didn't play so is this a "what if" feature where the computer plays the game out to the end using a different move based on especially a "missed win" move? You guys need to explain the rudimentary step by step how to stuff better. Thanks.
I still have no idea how to analyse a game. I don't know what I'm looking at here. Why would I pay for "max analysis' if no one os going to teach me how to use the tools??
Only way to figure this out is by trial-and-error. Analysis can do just about anything. Note "resume vs computer" option allows you to replay game against an easier or harder CPU at any turning point in a game -- usually a point you had regretted. You can also hover over notation and view "future" boards. Key moments is useful way to identify turning points.
I don't know the function of most of the controls and options. I know nothing, and pushing things at random to see what happens seems to be my only option for learning. Teaching us how to improve our chess is a great thing, but first teach us how to use your program. An instructional video on the home page seems like a no-brainer.
I posted this a year ago. Trial and error has educated me to most of the options available, and I've learned that going to the site via the Play Store app affords less options than just entering the url in Google.
This sort of thing is helpful, but I agree with many comments that it would be helpful to also bring it down a notch for the newbies. It seems like it might be possible to learn openings using bots + analysis to see the best moves the options. Is this a reasonable idea?
I came on here to learn how to use the Analysis tool DURING a game (for the Daily game types). It is there so you've put it there for a reason,. As you try out moves and analyse them, you get the codes on the right, some are in brackets, some aren't and that's where I get confused because as I try stuff out during a game, those nested brackets are hard to go back and refer to. In other words, if I felt that a previous idea was better, but can't remember it, it's hard to find.
Okay, I'm working it out :) Please could you put more Tool Tips, if I'd have hovered over them move codes, and simply been *INFORMED* of right-clicking (which you mention in this video), It'd have made a *LOT* more sense. Also, please can you have hovering tool-tips for the right-click itself? There are symbols which mean nothing to me (like the Infinity symbol, the -+, +- etc etc). Thank you :)
Just leave your laptop on the kitchen table, walk out the front door and fire a roman candle onto your roof. Be sure to take the cat and leave the husband.
I was going to ask how to jump to my next mistake or blunder, but I can see them colored now in the move history, and you can click them, like mistakes are brown/orange. I like how it suggests lessons and puzzles based on your game. I had no idea this stuff was here when I first started playing.
so maybe I'm just a dunce but when the analysis board tells me a move was not so good, I want to know why it wasn't so good, so I'd like to see the resulting line that my opponent would use to punish me for the bad move. I can see that a couple lines appear below in notation, and if i hover over the moves they appear on a little mini pop up board, but I really want to see them on the full size board. Is this just somewhere really obvious and I'm not seeing how to get to it?
@@gepettowins double click on the moves in the line you want to look at. It should transfer the position to the big board (on a computer it does, I don't know about a phone). From there, you can make moves and you will get analysis on those specific moves.
@@danielrensch9238 Danny. Great new online tournament. Thanks. Brilliant. But You got to lighten up the commentary. You and Robert are way too similar. Also look at what you both offer. Neither personable commentary like Lawrence or Tania or Daniel King. Nor in depth analysis like Peter Svidler. Both you as commentators look jittery plus you dont have enough ability to be in depth. i Like you guys but you better change this quick or you are to be frank going to die on your arses. At least get Yasser or Maurice or Tania/ Jen and Grischuk in as they are doing jack at the moment Or even botez or golddusttori Sorry to tell you this mate but it's way too wooden
This is a great video still but maybe it's time to update as the UI has made some significant changes and it could cover more about how to think about analyzing in addition to the tool. Thanks Danny!
Can you guys do a video for analysis beginners- like what do all the numbers mean, the negative and positive (that's what I'm trying to figure out)? You can see he has 3 numbers that are highlighted in white, what do they mean? I watch them change with my moves but I don't know what it means.
Newbie here. Can you explain what is meant by "depth" and how you can determine with the analysis whether it's showing the recommended move for black or white? I can't determine that.
Excellent presentation of 'how' but little 'what'. E.g., 1/what do the numbers mean -- I've been trying to find this under Help for two weeks 2/what distinguishes an inaccuracy from a mistake from a blunder, and are these distinguished by the numbers 3/what relationships lie between report and analysis data. Some didactic advice: as we say in radio ASSuME NOTHING and never use the words Obviously or Of Course. You mention that while talking about kimodo analysis or whatever it is. Thanks!
Can you do one of these highlighting the features of the mobile app? I only play on my phone and I'm still learning new features. I just recently learned how to make notes on long games which is VERY helpful. I'm sure there are still a lot of other useful features I haven't discovered yet.
Absolute must is a next and previous buttons that goes 1 move at a time. Sort of like what you got in the self-analysis mode. Otherwise it’s overly complex to navigate.
What does the bar, on the left of the board, measuring? (I would think that when the white line is bigger (and with a positive number) it means I made a good move. But it doesn't seem like this at all when I rewatch my games.)
How do I just watch my moves one by one on the app in analysis mode?! If I click the next button it flies through the moves, if I click on numbers it only shows white moves and skips blacks. Super confusing.
I'm glad I can wait and see what the computer would do different from 26 moves compared to 22...oh wait I only see about 3 to 4 moves ahead...never mind.
Don't use the app (or do but then I can't answer) play over the site itself. After the game u need to click onto the icon (I see on pc only mistakes blunders and lost opportunity to win, on Android I see more) that brings u to another page where step by step it will points on every keymoves in order
I find the tools very confusing. I really want to use it to transcribe lessons and videos and add notes and label variations to create a master visual document of certain openings
Hey hi nice one,, can you please tell me do we need internet while running chess engine or will analysing move? Do internet has anything to do with it.. please let me know
As a beginner I'm sorry but this wasn't much help. What are the numbers associated with positions ? What is that mysterious graphics curve / how can you see the lines that tell you why you blundered. What different engines are available is hardly of any use before the meaning of the results is analyzed.
On Android jumping into your face so I assume that u mean pc (or ios, but then should be something similar surface as android) . After when the game is over u need to wait till the algorithm do the calculation (u see at the right side of the screen) after its done u just need to click on the result (I see the numbers of my mistakes blunders and lost chances of winning) and it brings on a new site where is the analysis itself.
I don't even know what ?! or missed win means. I mean I couldn't win the game with a move but maybe the advantage??? I don't understand what they are trying to teach me.
Nice video. For some the difference between the cloud and their PC's processor might not be that easy to grasp. Strange view of the report screen. Where are the charts below the board? Also the color coding of the moves was not set and is an excellent feature worth featuring.
Don't bother with this app I found out when you're winning the cheats have a way of freezing the game so they win, Tel you what you're cheating yourself cause you can't take defeat like a true professional.
What? Do people not know how to teach a subject? Think about your audience, who would look up how to use the analysis tool? You’re like a scientist who has no ability to translate complex scientific information to every day language. All you’ve done is confuse me more
I just tried the deep analysts and it gave me some bullshit answer about being the first move of the game and that you can't move your king even though the king is the most important piece! And what the hell is en passant? If this were a french game than you should resign very early in the match. Wesley So is amazing and he's not french. Damnit they need to lift this lockdown, boredom has led me to resort to this for amusement. Love the video and always open with a strong king move.
@@harrydaniels1942 Meds shmeds there're voices in my head telling me to move the damn king! Quick, who's got time for coffee? BTW, have you ever tried to play chess in a straight jacket? Not that easy. Wish I had the force.
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Most of us went to your video to learn something new to us. I wanted to learn step by step what to do with analysis after I finished a game. Title says how to use tools not TOOL. What about the report, moments, and details features? What does the magnifying glass do? I see it takes me to moves I didn't play so is this a "what if" feature where the computer plays the game out to the end using a different move based on especially a "missed win" move? You guys need to explain the rudimentary step by step how to stuff better. Thanks.
Completely agree w this.
AMEN
^^^ this
I still have no idea how to analyse a game. I don't know what I'm looking at here. Why would I pay for "max analysis' if no one os going to teach me how to use the tools??
Only way to figure this out is by trial-and-error. Analysis can do just about anything. Note "resume vs computer" option allows you to replay game against an easier or harder CPU at any turning point in a game -- usually a point you had regretted. You can also hover over notation and view "future" boards. Key moments is useful way to identify turning points.
How about some instruction on how to use the Analysis Tool 'from scratch'? (i.e. What is it? What does it all mean? etc.?)
Blessed be the memory of him who gave the world this immortal game. ~
Who?
Indians gave this game to the world...they are brilliant
Should be called "How to Use The M-A-X Analysis Tool".
Useless for beginners looking to understand the tool.
I don't know the function of most of the controls and options. I know nothing, and pushing things at random to see what happens seems to be my only option for learning. Teaching us how to improve our chess is a great thing, but first teach us how to use your program. An instructional video on the home page seems like a no-brainer.
How to check level??
I posted this a year ago. Trial and error has educated me to most of the options available, and I've learned that going to the site via the Play Store app affords less options than just entering the url in Google.
This, just came here to learn the basics and didn’t get em
Thanks for explaining this! I knew the analysis was available but didn't understand the different options. Very useful!
Joe Valdez great!
How to check level?
This sort of thing is helpful, but I agree with many comments that it would be helpful to also bring it down a notch for the newbies. It seems like it might be possible to learn openings using bots + analysis to see the best moves the options. Is this a reasonable idea?
I came on here to learn how to use the Analysis tool DURING a game (for the Daily game types). It is there so you've put it there for a reason,. As you try out moves and analyse them, you get the codes on the right, some are in brackets, some aren't and that's where I get confused because as I try stuff out during a game, those nested brackets are hard to go back and refer to. In other words, if I felt that a previous idea was better, but can't remember it, it's hard to find.
Okay, I'm working it out :) Please could you put more Tool Tips, if I'd have hovered over them move codes, and simply been *INFORMED* of right-clicking (which you mention in this video), It'd have made a *LOT* more sense. Also, please can you have hovering tool-tips for the right-click itself? There are symbols which mean nothing to me (like the Infinity symbol, the -+, +- etc etc). Thank you :)
Do you have a feature that allows you to flip the chessboard over and start screaming while flailing your arms?
I actually coded my own. Took just a few seconds, believe it or not.
Just leave your laptop on the kitchen table, walk out the front door and fire a roman candle onto your roof. Be sure to take the cat and leave the husband.
The analysis engine is very interesting and adds interest and understanding to each game I play.
These videos are just so nostalgic
I was going to ask how to jump to my next mistake or blunder, but I can see them colored now in the move history, and you can click them, like mistakes are brown/orange. I like how it suggests lessons and puzzles based on your game. I had no idea this stuff was here when I first started playing.
so maybe I'm just a dunce but when the analysis board tells me a move was not so good, I want to know why it wasn't so good, so I'd like to see the resulting line that my opponent would use to punish me for the bad move. I can see that a couple lines appear below in notation, and if i hover over the moves they appear on a little mini pop up board, but I really want to see them on the full size board. Is this just somewhere really obvious and I'm not seeing how to get to it?
Yes this 100x!! Have you figured out if there is an alternative?
@@DanielPetri not yet :(
@@gepettowins double click on the moves in the line you want to look at. It should transfer the position to the big board (on a computer it does, I don't know about a phone). From there, you can make moves and you will get analysis on those specific moves.
Your comment is from a year ago, but this facility is there, there is the option to see the "line" (I use this on a PC).
Much needed. Thanks.
Duke Nails glad to hear it!
@@danielrensch9238 Danny. Great new online tournament. Thanks. Brilliant.
But
You got to lighten up the commentary.
You and Robert are way too similar.
Also look at what you both offer.
Neither personable commentary like Lawrence or Tania or Daniel King.
Nor in depth analysis like Peter Svidler.
Both you as commentators look jittery plus you dont have enough ability to be in depth.
i Like you guys but you better change this quick or you are to be frank going to die on your arses.
At least get Yasser or Maurice or Tania/ Jen and Grischuk in as they are doing jack at the moment
Or even botez or golddusttori
Sorry to tell you this mate but it's way too wooden
Thank God for this video, honestly I was sooo confused
Thank you, Sir :)
What are those figures 0.45 -0.25?
Love it, keep it up
This is a great video still but maybe it's time to update as the UI has made some significant changes and it could cover more about how to think about analyzing in addition to the tool. Thanks Danny!
Very useful!
still dont understand what the +0.23 +0.34 +1.32 -0.21 meaning??
Thanks
Can you guys do a video for analysis beginners- like what do all the numbers mean, the negative and positive (that's what I'm trying to figure out)? You can see he has 3 numbers that are highlighted in white, what do they mean? I watch them change with my moves but I don't know what it means.
I think it’s a point value
I play on mobile and iPad 😀
Newbie here. Can you explain what is meant by "depth" and how you can determine with the analysis whether it's showing the recommended move for black or white? I can't determine that.
I still don't understand the difference between the engines and which to use or even how to fully use this tool...
Excellent presentation of 'how' but little 'what'. E.g., 1/what do the numbers mean -- I've been trying to find this under Help for two weeks 2/what distinguishes an inaccuracy from a mistake from a blunder, and are these distinguished by the numbers 3/what relationships lie between report and analysis data. Some didactic advice: as we say in radio ASSuME NOTHING and never use the words Obviously or Of Course. You mention that while talking about kimodo analysis or whatever it is. Thanks!
Can you do one of these highlighting the features of the mobile app? I only play on my phone and I'm still learning new features. I just recently learned how to make notes on long games which is VERY helpful. I'm sure there are still a lot of other useful features I haven't discovered yet.
I agree
how u do that?
Absolute must is a next and previous buttons that goes 1 move at a time. Sort of like what you got in the self-analysis mode. Otherwise it’s overly complex to navigate.
How do I get a game report for a game, that I do not have stored in my archives?
this needs updating please Dan
Hi, how do you access your game archive against the chess bots?
The app shows arrows, why does the browser show no arrows where to move the pieces?
What do the negative and positive numbers mean? Is negative or positive good or bad?
+2.65 would be = to a 2-3 pawn advantage for white. -2.65 would be the same for black.
The lichess user interface for analysis is more intuitive, it provides arrows on the board for the lines.
How do I obtain the ACPL result for the game on the app?
What does the bar, on the left of the board, measuring? (I would think that when the white line is bigger (and with a positive number) it means I made a good move. But it doesn't seem like this at all when I rewatch my games.)
It shows who is ahead. If the number is positive (+) then white is ahead and negative (-) black is ahead.
@@Sososhal Thank you sir !
Are these features all accessible from the app?
Hi, I am a diamond member, but cannot seem to find the MAX function. Does this work in all countries?
How do I just watch my moves one by one on the app in analysis mode?! If I click the next button it flies through the moves, if I click on numbers it only shows white moves and skips blacks. Super confusing.
How add this arrow and plan in board
I'm glad I can wait and see what the computer would do different from 26 moves compared to 22...oh wait I only see about 3 to 4 moves ahead...never mind.
is there a way to see what the line of a missed win? The computer will say I have a missed win and I can't find it? This happens often. Thanks!
Don't use the app (or do but then I can't answer) play over the site itself. After the game u need to click onto the icon (I see on pc only mistakes blunders and lost opportunity to win, on Android I see more) that brings u to another page where step by step it will points on every keymoves in order
I am not able to see any of that in the UI now
I find the tools very confusing. I really want to use it to transcribe lessons and videos and add notes and label variations to create a master visual document of certain openings
What is the use of the gauge thingy on the left side of the board that keeps going up and down?
It tells you which side is winning.
I kind of miss the explanation of these simple things that I don't even get yet.
So much chess teaching fails to heed rule 1: ASSuME NOthing
Analysis is fine but when your opponent is rattling out his moves in some sharp line ....
Not a pleasant feeling.
Why is the analysis so confusing, Lichess is so simple. How the hell do you continue analysis after timeout/resignation?
how do i do the orange lines in live chess so i can try and predict?
I have the same question
Settings in game
I found the answer. Right mouse button and drag to create arrows. Hold ctrl or alt to change color of the arrow to green/orange to red or blue
...and slay a chicken on the sabbath? Only Apple corp should be allowed to contrive human-computer interfaces.
Hey hi nice one,, can you please tell me do we need internet while running chess engine or will analysing move? Do internet has anything to do with it.. please let me know
Yes
Regards from Bangladesh
Thanks for the tools. Any details as to when it will come to the iPad app? Also .. Danny ... Missed Win?!? *FacePalm
Ben Yarwood not sure...
can anyone say what the white bar on the left of the board is - thanks.
How good the position is for both players. If more of the bar is black, then black is more likely to win and the other way around.
How to check level
Good luck with your match against Teddy Coleman tonight Danny!
As a beginner I'm sorry but this wasn't much help. What are the numbers associated with positions ? What is that mysterious graphics curve / how can you see the lines that tell you why you blundered.
What different engines are available is hardly of any use before the meaning of the results is analyzed.
licheess is better
There's no f option of analysis on app
can i use this even if i'm a free player?
i keep on seeing daily limit reached but i only did 1
so daily limit is 1 report?
You have to buy into one of the levels. I am at the basic one ($2.5/month) and am really happy with the tools.
@@kenbagwell8551 Can you chage 2 game report depth, I am at the second teir and can't
can you please tell me how to mark
mark what
Where is the Analysis board?
On Android jumping into your face so I assume that u mean pc (or ios, but then should be something similar surface as android) . After when the game is over u need to wait till the algorithm do the calculation (u see at the right side of the screen) after its done u just need to click on the result (I see the numbers of my mistakes blunders and lost chances of winning) and it brings on a new site where is the analysis itself.
I don't even know what ?! or missed win means. I mean I couldn't win the game with a move but maybe the advantage??? I don't understand what they are trying to teach me.
Still many engine users so why pay $119 a year when everyone cheats???
I'm still confused.
cool,
Nice video.
For some the difference between the cloud and their PC's processor might not be that easy to grasp.
Strange view of the report screen. Where are the charts below the board?
Also the color coding of the moves was not set and is an excellent feature worth featuring.
Shut up and quit your crying. Keep your tantrum to yourself.
Hi
Don't bother with this app I found out when you're winning the cheats have a way of freezing the game so they win, Tel you what you're cheating yourself cause you can't take defeat like a true professional.
I lose my queen easy, how do I resign, help. I sit and let the clock run out. Beginner here
On computer, there's a tiny surrender flag toward middle-right. Like much of the interface, it requires visual and tactile giftedness.
too bad i need to pay just to use this tool
Not really. Enter the game through the site. I don't know the app, but particular analysis u can get for free if u go to play over the site itself.
😢
What? Do people not know how to teach a subject? Think about your audience, who would look up how to use the analysis tool? You’re like a scientist who has no ability to translate complex scientific information to every day language. All you’ve done is confuse me more
Just cheating money , lichess doesn't charge for analysis
I just tried the deep analysts and it gave me some bullshit answer about being the first move of the game and that you can't move your king even though the king is the most important piece! And what the hell is en passant? If this were a french game than you should resign very early in the match. Wesley So is amazing and he's not french. Damnit they need to lift this lockdown, boredom has led me to resort to this for amusement. Love the video and always open with a strong king move.
@@harrydaniels1942 Meds shmeds there're voices in my head telling me to move the damn king! Quick, who's got time for coffee? BTW, have you ever tried to play chess in a straight jacket? Not that easy. Wish I had the force.
Hope u r kidding
LOL! Awesome comment.
@@fakereality5204 I thought the Wesley So reference and the amusement comment would give it away.
@@DonieRayCocaine omg you nub