by your logic all handhelds would sit in the shelves.... all handheld i hear costs like 700 800 dollars, to be honest i dont see point buying these shits anyways, but if i had to then i would go for intel here, fsr3 is not at all acceptable, xess is the dlss of handheld because nvidia dosnt make handhelds..... to be honest if i had 900 dollars i would just go ahead and buuy me a good gpu and play with proper quality in desktop
For $900; -PS5 and a steam deck -PS5 and an OLED switch -Decent Laptop and Switch lite -PS5 Digital and Decent laptop -PS5 Digital, xbox series s, switch lite I’m sorry but there’s very little value in getting the MSI Claw
Lenovo loq RTX4070 on wallmart goes at 879 Lenovo legion 5 RTX 4070 on microcentre at 999 Asus tuf F15 RTX4070 on bestbuy at 999 Eluktronics rp-15 g2 RTX4070 on Amazon at 999 This handheld at 899 lmao!
900$ is close to getting you the new aya neo which runs a laptop apu much more powerful than the z1 extreme or the intel chip in this... 900 is enthusiast level device pricing but this is supposed to be targetting the average consumer
It's a cliche to say now, but it's the only thing that makes sense: it's so they can tell investors they have an AI product and that will stop them selling their stock - for not having an "AI thing" going
Valve really made the proper decision when releasing the Steam Deck at ~$500. It found its place between the Switch at $300 and basic gaming laptops starting at $800.
@hextav Yes and none of the windows handhelds have their own store where they get revenue from software sales. So they have to sell these devices at a much higher cost.
Barely better today, but doubt you can squeeze out more performance from z1 extreme today, while this is a fairly new chip so software can improve performance over the year to come. Tho yeh, bit to expensive imo. Might see the value if it had TB5 instead of 4.
I would have agreed with you here if the AI part is just gimmick. But the Intel chipset being used here is the first one with an integrated NPU which is used for AI. And they're using AI for auto TDP to extend the battery life of it. Lastly, no I'm not a fannof this MSI Claw. I am a proud owner of Steam Deck OLED & ROG Ally X.
@@helbertgascon There is nothing "AI" about auto TDP. It's just regular-ass algorithms. It's just marketing buzzwords to promote a completely useless feature.
@@helbertgascon thinking about it just off the cuff, isn’t it acceptable to refer to algorithms as AI? To be a little more clear, I guess I mean, isn’t “AI” a functional term that can be used to describe an algorithm? Yes, I 100% agree that AI is the hot buzzword right now, but I would imagine that for the general public, AI is more intuitive to understand than an algorithm is. This is just a hobbyist’s take, but this comment thread got me curious.
@@helbertgascon to be fair you did already answer my first question that, AI is just algorithms. So functionally it works. A better question might be then, what is your opinion about the marketing aspect of pushing “AI” into every aspect of any smart device?
Wunt you rather watch a 6 minute to the point video giving a table format of differences between devices than watch an entire 38 minute of the games running and u try to look at the difference in screen. Yeah 3 fps is nothing to car3 about for casual users but there might be people that play competitively on this so they would like that info no?
Depends on the game. Some games are running only 10% faster on MSI, some more than 20% (F1 24). But I assume, MSI was tested with XESS instead of FSR, which results in lower FPS, but better graphics
@@ilm91 I think F124 doesn't have FSR, if it's optimized for intel XESS, then you have it the difference. there is no other game that have that difference in FPS. Also, almost $400 difference with a ROG ally 2023 and doesn't have a real difference....not sure if it worth the difference.
@@christianr.5868"It's about efficiency". Yeah as if last longer than others 20 minutes is a big deal, and what kind of efficiency do you want when your device even die before other on Streaming youtube ?
The AUDIO transkription in (in my case german) is freakin annoying. I get a german video title and a horrible german dubbed audio ... Why is RUclips pushing these settings without even asking us viewers if we even want those ...
honestly i'd rather have a 720p oled than a 1080p ips... at that size 720p is pretty much as sharp as 1440p on a monitor.. i'd much rather have 60 fps at 15w so that i have great battery life. Only small screen i feel high res is worthwile are phones, simply because we do a lot of reading on them.
I was thinking the same. Their PC parts are good, but their "complete" products (laptops, handhelds etc) are usually not on the same quality/performance level as the competitors..
True story, now it is all about positivity… Sony already knows how it’s be a completely positive in a Concord review))) IGN talks so much BS about it and in the end fake positive review…
I was minutes away from buying the MSI Claw for US$468 (in Singapore) yesterday when I questioned the price drop. Windows handhelds are ridiculously priced at launch and for the size, I feel like Android handhelds doing emulation have way better value for money... it's just that the premium experience of not having to tinker with apps, emulators, and ripped software is enough for those willing to spend a fortune to play AAA titles on the go right out of the box.
I’m willing to play the premium for this kind of flexibility. I don’t see myself playing on android and I like to play games like the Witcher, Destiny 2 or Final Fantasy 14 which are not found on other platforms.
It's being able to play the lighter and lightened windows titles that gives these handhelds the value. Android handhelds are soo limited compared to this, like I know the price is low in Shoppee but the capability different is there.
So, you are comparing Android handhelds that can play mobile version of some games or emulators, with a full Windows PC that can run AA and AAA games and emulators? Some Androids handhelds are overpriced too.
That’s what I got a few weeks ago, it ain’t perfect but man this thing makes my Steam Deck look like a toy, especially if you like tinkering with various OS.
@ I found a way to install adrenaline driver that allows AFMF2 to be enabled and man….the games that don’t have FSR and FG get an incredible frame rate boost
That AMD Z1 Extreme chip still has me in bits. Fine APU, very efficient and reasonable in temps. But then I am throwing C#, Python and JavaScript on it and this is insane a MS SQL dev server.. now came the weirdest thing.. this gets extremely close compute performance compared to the 5900HS, it's not that far from 5800X, heck 8th gen Xeon cores were left dead. Whatever AMD has been cooking is gold right now. This is that leaping tech that does well today and will run some really old stuff too.. If I had to find the last platform which had such high compatibility I have to go to Athlon 64.. that thing runs Windows 98 to Windows 7 and yes Max OS X 10.5 with Linux.. stupid compatibility.
Steam has the ultimate advantage with the ability to subsidise the steamdeck with the money they make from steam. Realistically it would probably cost close to 700-900 as the other handhelds do if they couldn’t subsidise it. So it’s not an outrageous price when you take that into account but it’s not a good look for any company to come out with such an expensive handheld
The second half of the video is all criticism though, and he gives a "do not buy at current price" recommendation. Do you want him to hate it because the sticker is too high?
How they justify that pricing? Is the B.O.M. really so high that they have to price the device to $900? Are they greedy? Are they trying to minimize their losses if the device does not sell as they predict? Is any youtuber out there willing to investigate how much really costs a flagship phone or an expensive electronic device such as this, to produce?
900$ That’s a freaking gaming/workstation machine. You can play all the games you want at the best resolution + graphics and do your work + run llms locally + and expand later and upgrade later. 900$ is an insane ask!
Loads of BS, you clearly do not own any gaming devices, have you even considered you need to buy a decent gaming monitor +headset/speakers+controller m/k for your gaming pc?
4:17 "Thought the sticks were too loose" Everyone needs to just get used to loose sticks because if you don't want your sticks to wear out they need to be loose. It takes me all of a week to break in an Xbox controller to the point where the mechanical deadzone is outside the average software deadzone, and in general I hate having any deadzone at all on my analog sticks so the only way to stop that from happening is to weaken the spring tension in the analog stick. (Which is a mod I have performed on every Xbox controller I own, and therefore my Xbox controllers never develop mechanical deadzone).
100%! And what's even funnier is that you can stream games from your Ps5 to your steam deck using an app called Chiaki as well as utilising baseline and other 3rd party features.
Putting BG3 in the benchmarks is a little bit of a mistake in my opinion. Which area of the game was tested? Because if it was only the first area, then no wonder you can hit 45 fps. The 3 act is notoriously heavy, and a lot of hardware struggle with it. On steam deck you can hit 40s in the first area but act 3 you can seldom hit 30 for example.
i bought a handheld , it can play steam games at 1080p/1440p , depending on the connection it WAS fun ... for a couple hours , until you're back in front of your big screen / monitor / projector and your eyes say '' well ... THAT was fun '' , just a few hours and you get a headache from looking and CONCENTRATING ON such a tiny screen ... it's NOT GOOD FOR YOU , playing on a screen this small , your eyes can't relax at any point , your brain just goes in to over-drive after a while ... just keep that in mind when playing , it's exhausting and painful after just a few minutes / hours
But the problem is that You can not buy Rog Ally X on the market now(have to wait 2-3month). If you have already bought SD and wanna give Windows platform a try, why not buying a new one? This kind of logic also applies to buying new smartphone.
true i think people interested in handheld should spend all in on z2 hx370, asus software team will definitely optimize it to maximum perf, might be competitive to entry gaming pc
The Steam one feels ergonomically better probably because its left & right sides skewed narrower downwards to allow more room for the bottom of palm connected to wrists where muscles of thumb stick out.
Barely a 5% uplift over an already 1 year old handheld is wild. DOA. Would've been a solid competitor if the fps was at least 30 ~ 40% higher than the rog ally
Msi smoking that Grade A, primo crack rock. Straight from scrooge Mcduck's vault. $900 smh. It hardly beats the z1 extreme, a 2 year old chip. I figured that Intel learned with the b580 that they need to price competitively, guess not.
I had to check Intel Core Ultra 200V lineup to understand what level of performance we are dealing here. Surprisingly, they could have save a few of bucks by going a tier down (258V to 256V). Both still have the same amount of CPU threads and iGPUs (Arc 140V). The only difference is that the 258V have built-in 32GB RAM whereas the 256V have 16GB RAM. To me, 16GB of RAM is decent for a handheld.
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$900, this is going to sit on shelves
Yeah its p/p suck for the specs compared to the steam deck
You are 100% correct! such an absurd price of entry gamers aren't Apple fan boys!
Especially when it barely beats an Ally X
Lol it "outperforms" a 2 year old handheld by 4 fps which is not 900$
by your logic all handhelds would sit in the shelves.... all handheld i hear costs like 700 800 dollars, to be honest i dont see point buying these shits anyways, but if i had to then i would go for intel here, fsr3 is not at all acceptable, xess is the dlss of handheld because nvidia dosnt make handhelds..... to be honest if i had 900 dollars i would just go ahead and buuy me a good gpu and play with proper quality in desktop
For $900;
-PS5 and a steam deck
-PS5 and an OLED switch
-Decent Laptop and Switch lite
-PS5 Digital and Decent laptop
-PS5 Digital, xbox series s, switch lite
I’m sorry but there’s very little value in getting the MSI Claw
Why is this so expensive? I've heard Intel gives MSI chips for free.
You forgot framework laptop and a steam deck lmfao 900$ is wild
Lenovo loq RTX4070 on wallmart goes at 879
Lenovo legion 5 RTX 4070 on microcentre at 999
Asus tuf F15 RTX4070 on bestbuy at 999
Eluktronics rp-15 g2 RTX4070 on Amazon at 999
This handheld at 899 lmao!
You remind me of HTC, they kept overpricing themselves, mostly for nothing, until the lost mobile market to Chinese companies
900$ is close to getting you the new aya neo which runs a laptop apu much more powerful than the z1 extreme or the intel chip in this... 900 is enthusiast level device pricing but this is supposed to be targetting the average consumer
Do companies really think adding "AI" to the name boosts sales?
AI is the future. If it doesn't do AI then it isn't future proof
Sales? Probably not. However they think it calms investors. That they have AI products and are not missing the big hype!
stands for "Astonished Idiot" still gets some probably.
its a shame because most new 'AI' device actually good not because of the AI
It's a cliche to say now, but it's the only thing that makes sense: it's so they can tell investors they have an AI product and that will stop them selling their stock - for not having an "AI thing" going
899?????? Excuse me??
You're excused
@@daruiraikage 😇
And 99cents dont forget the 99 cents
Valve really made the proper decision when releasing the Steam Deck at ~$500. It found its place between the Switch at $300 and basic gaming laptops starting at $800.
Valve's model relies on software sales though - I'm certain that the Deck is sold at cost, if not at a slight loss.
@@agromchung this is the exact same model which every other console manufacturer follows so nothing different
STEAM DECK is $400
@hextav Yes and none of the windows handhelds have their own store where they get revenue from software sales. So they have to sell these devices at a much higher cost.
@@pradeepraghuraman4430 why do people not realize this? lol
This will be $500 by the summer
325 😂😂😂😂
You know a few brain dead people will gladly pay this to say they have the “new shiny” thing. People are slaves to consumerism.
Nah 290 is make sense
This thing is barley more powerful and is way more expensive.
Wheat for the price to drop.
@@JonathanJKthe price is not rice
@@JonathanJKyou gonna wheat till harvest time?
you Oat-a get a Steam deck instead.
Barely better today, but doubt you can squeeze out more performance from z1 extreme today, while this is a fairly new chip so software can improve performance over the year to come.
Tho yeh, bit to expensive imo.
Might see the value if it had TB5 instead of 4.
Did he just said the spring of 2023 is almost 2 years old ? .. damnn .. time is really running fast man ..
I was shook by that statement as well, just to realise it is true.
@fazilmohamed2507 I stopped the video to realise it too ..
Moore’s Law is Real.
Well it's not 2024/25 product if it doesn't have "AI' in it.🙄😮💨
I would have agreed with you here if the AI part is just gimmick. But the Intel chipset being used here is the first one with an integrated NPU which is used for AI.
And they're using AI for auto TDP to extend the battery life of it.
Lastly, no I'm not a fannof this MSI Claw. I am a proud owner of Steam Deck OLED & ROG Ally X.
@@helbertgascon There is nothing "AI" about auto TDP. It's just regular-ass algorithms. It's just marketing buzzwords to promote a completely useless feature.
@@TrashParrot as an AI engineer myself. Yes, I can confirm. AI is just regular ass algorithms 😆
And no, this is not sarcasm but pure fact 😁
@@helbertgascon thinking about it just off the cuff, isn’t it acceptable to refer to algorithms as AI? To be a little more clear, I guess I mean, isn’t “AI” a functional term that can be used to describe an algorithm?
Yes, I 100% agree that AI is the hot buzzword right now, but I would imagine that for the general public, AI is more intuitive to understand than an algorithm is.
This is just a hobbyist’s take, but this comment thread got me curious.
@@helbertgascon to be fair you did already answer my first question that, AI is just algorithms. So functionally it works.
A better question might be then, what is your opinion about the marketing aspect of pushing “AI” into every aspect of any smart device?
1:01 “outperforms” by 3 fps
At this point he's just a salesman. Embarrassing 😂
Wunt you rather watch a 6 minute to the point video giving a table format of differences between devices than watch an entire 38 minute of the games running and u try to look at the difference in screen. Yeah 3 fps is nothing to car3 about for casual users but there might be people that play competitively on this so they would like that info no?
@@aws_exploit No one buys this shit to play competitively. This is designed for casual users.
Depends on the game. Some games are running only 10% faster on MSI, some more than 20% (F1 24). But I assume, MSI was tested with XESS instead of FSR, which results in lower FPS, but better graphics
@@ilm91 I think F124 doesn't have FSR, if it's optimized for intel XESS, then you have it the difference. there is no other game that have that difference in FPS. Also, almost $400 difference with a ROG ally 2023 and doesn't have a real difference....not sure if it worth the difference.
Better performance??? It's 2-3 FPS more... barely an upgrade.
Facts !
It’s about the efficiency not about the performance
@@christianr.5868 What efficiency?
@@christianr.5868"It's about efficiency". Yeah as if last longer than others 20 minutes is a big deal, and what kind of efficiency do you want when your device even die before other on Streaming youtube ?
no, the gpu is too behind against rdna amd, they need to work with nvidia as usual
The AUDIO transkription in (in my case german) is freakin annoying. I get a german video title and a horrible german dubbed audio ... Why is RUclips pushing these settings without even asking us viewers if we even want those ...
With Z2 Extreme handhelds about to be announced I don't see this selling well - especially at that price.
Someone just woke up.
and need a haircut
1080p res should be the standard for handheld consoles/screens,
don't get me wrong , is nice1440p etc. but at 8inch 1080 looks great
For me, 8 inch 720/800p still looks great and saves on performance and battery
honestly i'd rather have a 720p oled than a 1080p ips... at that size 720p is pretty much as sharp as 1440p on a monitor.. i'd much rather have 60 fps at 15w so that i have great battery life. Only small screen i feel high res is worthwile are phones, simply because we do a lot of reading on them.
720/800p OLED > 1080/1200p IPS. The former should be the standard for handhelds until 1080/1200p is feasible without upscaling.
480p on a 7 inch screen has the same pixel density as a
1080p 15.6 inch laptop screen
40% discount soon guys
looking by its perf should priced same with z1 ex ally
intel core ultra indeed is better
Don’t think I can ever bring myself to buy another MSI product
I was thinking the same. Their PC parts are good, but their "complete" products (laptops, handhelds etc) are usually not on the same quality/performance level as the competitors..
Why is no one talking about how bad the design is and the colors!?
it is actually downright bad, I'd rather take the ROG Ally with 2280 m.2 slot and more compact for carrying and travel
HX 370 is not power efficient?! True.
It is very power efficient.
Dave is selling Intel here.
i actually not sure since amd already announced 40cu vega gpu, asus might skipped 890m
Either add "PRO" or "AI" then call it a day LOL.
5% more perf than 2 years old devices. D2d you are just a living add now
It is an improvement.
@oo--7714 quick, go buy it then !
Money make them all lieing sad youtube 2024
yes, most top youtubers are shill now a days sadly.
True story, now it is all about positivity… Sony already knows how it’s be a completely positive in a Concord review))) IGN talks so much BS about it and in the end fake positive review…
900$ for a 1% increase in fps over the ally? that's a big yikes for me
Intel been a real naughty boy this Christmas 😂😂
I was minutes away from buying the MSI Claw for US$468 (in Singapore) yesterday when I questioned the price drop. Windows handhelds are ridiculously priced at launch and for the size, I feel like Android handhelds doing emulation have way better value for money... it's just that the premium experience of not having to tinker with apps, emulators, and ripped software is enough for those willing to spend a fortune to play AAA titles on the go right out of the box.
I’m willing to play the premium for this kind of flexibility. I don’t see myself playing on android and I like to play games like the Witcher, Destiny 2 or Final Fantasy 14 which are not found on other platforms.
It's being able to play the lighter and lightened windows titles that gives these handhelds the value. Android handhelds are soo limited compared to this, like I know the price is low in Shoppee but the capability different is there.
So, you are comparing Android handhelds that can play mobile version of some games or emulators, with a full Windows PC that can run AA and AAA games and emulators?
Some Androids handhelds are overpriced too.
It's bad enough that they're charging 899, but putting AI in the name is just cringe as fuck
The Legion go is on discount at Best Buy for $550
That’s what I got a few weeks ago, it ain’t perfect but man this thing makes my Steam Deck look like a toy, especially if you like tinkering with various OS.
@ I found a way to install adrenaline driver that allows AFMF2 to be enabled and man….the games that don’t have FSR and FG get an incredible frame rate boost
No ofeence to Dave, but on this specific topic my go-to source, recommendation, and testing is from The Phawx!
Z2 Extreme handhelds are being announced in less than 2 weeks, just wait a little longer.
hope it wont be more expensive than 4050 laptops, 890m asus prob perform noticeably better than onexfly one
That AMD Z1 Extreme chip still has me in bits. Fine APU, very efficient and reasonable in temps.
But then I am throwing C#, Python and JavaScript on it and this is insane a MS SQL dev server.. now came the weirdest thing.. this gets extremely close compute performance compared to the 5900HS, it's not that far from 5800X, heck 8th gen Xeon cores were left dead.
Whatever AMD has been cooking is gold right now. This is that leaping tech that does well today and will run some really old stuff too..
If I had to find the last platform which had such high compatibility I have to go to Athlon 64.. that thing runs Windows 98 to Windows 7 and yes Max OS X 10.5 with Linux.. stupid compatibility.
Mobile CPUs are amazing, they don’t lag behind their desktop counterparts at all. It’s just a matter of power being given to them and fan noise.
Intel GPU division having a good run this year. Meanwhile their CPU division...
Steam has the ultimate advantage with the ability to subsidise the steamdeck with the money they make from steam. Realistically it would probably cost close to 700-900 as the other handhelds do if they couldn’t subsidise it. So it’s not an outrageous price when you take that into account but it’s not a good look for any company to come out with such an expensive handheld
Fuck it idc about their profit, make it $199 like it seems worth lmfao
The legion go is $500 now. Just saying.
Nokia 3310 is better
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Easily changeable buttons and shell for when you eventually wear through them playing snake. Damn I sound old 😅
😂😂😂
My first phone bought with my own money. Loved it!
Funny comment
MSI Claw 8 AI? It's not that long of a name. For someone used to monitor names, this is nothing lol
Review felt like Msi PR
The second half of the video is all criticism though, and he gives a "do not buy at current price" recommendation. Do you want him to hate it because the sticker is too high?
MSI must be baiting customers into thinking that this device has one of much faster Ryzen AI chips.
David still alive and just dropped.... it's a good day
Merry Christmas Dave 🙌🏾🙌🏾
PC handhelds left right and center...what a time to be alive. Happy Holidays Dave!
How they justify that pricing?
Is the B.O.M. really so high that they have to price the device to $900?
Are they greedy?
Are they trying to minimize their losses if the device does not sell as they predict?
Is any youtuber out there willing to investigate how much really costs a flagship phone or an expensive electronic device such as this, to produce?
900$
That’s a freaking gaming/workstation machine.
You can play all the games you want at the best resolution + graphics and do your work + run llms locally + and expand later and upgrade later.
900$ is an insane ask!
Bros barely gonna get a 4060 pc for that price, calling that a 'workstation' is just ignorance
Wut
Loads of BS, you clearly do not own any gaming devices, have you even considered you need to buy a decent gaming monitor +headset/speakers+controller m/k for your gaming pc?
@@ansharora6640nope, in my country you can get rtx 4070 + ryzen 5600 for that money
@@ansharora6640nope, you can find pc with rtx 4070 + ryzen 5600 with 900$
3:51 bruh I HATE that big blue head
Thats what she said
Can't wait for the 2024 set up video
Handheld console with fucking AI on the name is not gonna sell
Why is it AI+?
MSI been smoking that cigaweed
$900 is a very decent budget for an upper mid range PC that lets you alt tab between your game and your forum trolling
next time try to include performance chart of steam deck too as it is a fairly famous hand held
4:17 "Thought the sticks were too loose"
Everyone needs to just get used to loose sticks because if you don't want your sticks to wear out they need to be loose.
It takes me all of a week to break in an Xbox controller to the point where the mechanical deadzone is outside the average software deadzone, and in general I hate having any deadzone at all on my analog sticks so the only way to stop that from happening is to weaken the spring tension in the analog stick.
(Which is a mod I have performed on every Xbox controller I own, and therefore my Xbox controllers never develop mechanical deadzone).
wow shittt, Welcome back back back dude
So I can get a PS5 and a Steam Deck for the same price? Haha
100%! And what's even funnier is that you can stream games from your Ps5 to your steam deck using an app called Chiaki as well as utilising baseline and other 3rd party features.
Putting BG3 in the benchmarks is a little bit of a mistake in my opinion.
Which area of the game was tested? Because if it was only the first area, then no wonder you can hit 45 fps.
The 3 act is notoriously heavy, and a lot of hardware struggle with it. On steam deck you can hit 40s in the first area but act 3 you can seldom hit 30 for example.
i bought a handheld , it can play steam games at 1080p/1440p , depending on the connection
it WAS fun ... for a couple hours , until you're back in front of your big screen / monitor / projector
and your eyes say '' well ... THAT was fun '' , just a few hours and you get a headache from looking and CONCENTRATING ON such a tiny screen ...
it's NOT GOOD FOR YOU , playing on a screen this small , your eyes can't relax at any point , your brain just goes in to over-drive after a while ...
just keep that in mind when playing , it's exhausting and painful after just a few minutes / hours
I feel like I lose a neuron each time I hear the word AI from a tech company. Great review for a good product, too bad that it's so expensive.
"It can only get better overtime"
Actually I think it can get worse as evidenced by every piece of software ever.
But the problem is that You can not buy Rog Ally X on the market now(have to wait 2-3month). If you have already bought SD and wanna give Windows platform a try, why not buying a new one? This kind of logic also applies to buying new smartphone.
I remember when you didn’t even have 100k subs yet. Now here you are at almost 4 million. Crazy! So proud of you.
XeSS works on Amd or Nvidia too
Only Arc GPUs get the higher quality (significantly) version of XeSS. A simpler, lower quality version runs on all GPUs.
well Z2 is rumored on ces waiting a bit wont hurt
This is the 21st century's neogeo price point problem
So many PC handhelds, it's all over the place
MSI better get the memo to drop that price fast cuz this thing is NOT selling. $600-$700 is a maybe for this device.
Lol, it "outperforms" a 2 year old handheld by 4-5 fps that was not 900$
Is the screen VRR? There been a lot of conflicting reports.
Wait for the new Z2 Extreme handhelds to outperform it
true i think people interested in handheld should spend all in on z2 hx370, asus software team will definitely optimize it to maximum perf, might be competitive to entry gaming pc
erm, also amd software team, point is they will optimize latest, and better device
When you just wake up but you HAVE to make a video
The Steam one feels ergonomically better probably because its left & right sides skewed narrower downwards to allow more room for the bottom of palm connected to wrists where muscles of thumb stick out.
goddam, midnight post Christmas launch!
MSI taking L after L after L and it's like they're inviting it with that stupid name
That intro sequence was cold
4:51
MSI Engineers 😂😂
Bruh Dave's lighting/color grading is sooo good.
900 bucks for more fps than Ally, SD, LegionGo
I don't think this will sell for marginal improvement
Does it have Thunderbolt 4? How could you miss this important detail?
He didn't miss it, you missed him talking about it.
battery tests show itss actually a lot closer then the full power tests
Merry Christmas and happy new years everyone! 🎉
I whole thing looks really cool.
Dave’s hair grow taller still… only matter of time before he achieves super sayan status
It's 2025 and Dave is 50 years old. He looks amazing.
Barely a 5% uplift over an already 1 year old handheld is wild. DOA. Would've been a solid competitor if the fps was at least 30 ~ 40% higher than the rog ally
This guy just woke up and his RUclips video lol 😂
899 is pretty nice for 32gb ram and 1tb ssd. you cant even get a decent laptop with a nice cpu + 32gb ram for that money.
$900 not even oled and using intel 😂
And the crowd goes back home!
Thought the ps5 pro price was bad?
ps5 anniversary is
Msi smoking that Grade A, primo crack rock. Straight from scrooge Mcduck's vault. $900 smh.
It hardly beats the z1 extreme, a 2 year old chip.
I figured that Intel learned with the b580 that they need to price competitively, guess not.
Windows handhelds should not exist. Cmon Volvo release SteamOS from your basement
It will start with CES in a few days.
I had to check Intel Core Ultra 200V lineup to understand what level of performance we are dealing here. Surprisingly, they could have save a few of bucks by going a tier down (258V to 256V). Both still have the same amount of CPU threads and iGPUs (Arc 140V). The only difference is that the 258V have built-in 32GB RAM whereas the 256V have 16GB RAM.
To me, 16GB of RAM is decent for a handheld.
amd z1 x succesor is around the corner , so this going to be old news soon.
Steam deck 2 is going to be wild!
IPS for 900$ 😂🤣😂☠️
Merry Christmas guys
DBZ Dave2D is back
They might as well put a picture of the MSI Claw 8 in the dictionary next to the definition of 'overpriced.'
Z2 Extreme will be at a min 15-20% better overall than this hopefully. I like the competition in this genre...
Dave’s hair going through that growth spurt phase.😂
Dave, why didn't you do the SuperSaf get together video?
Are we going to see intel gpus into a ps7 or Xbox?
Not available until February... Z2 extreme consoles handheld will hit market at kinda around the same moment