it really depends on whether or not they want Jane to become a Valkyrie like in the comics. If they decide to leave her there (or NP decides she's not interested in doing another film), then they don't have to do anything with her character. If they want her back, boom, make her a Valkyrie responsible for guiding people to Valhalla. She's effectively shelved (like Scarlet Witch) until/if needed.
The stones might be capable of resurrection. It's possible that Banner was unable to bring back Natasha because she had been sacrificed for the stones, rather than simply them being unable to undo death.
Also, bringing someone back to life who didn't perish in the Snap would have been a separate action, a discrete effect being sought, a separate command given to the stones. But, Banner is burned out from using the gloves just once, so he doesn't have the chance to try to resurrect her.
The problem with the gauntlet not being able to bring back life is that the requirements for the soul stone was to sacrifice someone you love (a soul for a soul) and bringing back Natasha would make the obtainment of the soul stone and the sacrifice made for it null.
Agreed. The infinity gauntlet could absolutely bring people back to life it did it many times over in the MCU already. You could probably bring an individual back to life with just the reality stone and the soul stone. You just can't get back any lives sacrificed to the soul stone, you gave it that soul of course you can't use it to take it back.
I agree. Like if they used the stone to resurrect, let's say... Killmonger, or Klaue, or maybe ancient one, or even Loki, the stones might have granted it. But since Natasha's (or even Gamora) case is different, they can never use the stone to resurrect her.
Perhaps the fact Thanos didn't really interact with the gods. Eternity seemed like something the gods knew about only and the entity in the necro-sword is as old if not older than the gods so would also know. The stones are physical object that have significant power on thier own so would be recorded and tracked throughout history. Eternity probably just slipped into myth only known to be true by those who would rather eternity remained slumbering
The simple answer is Taika Waititi came up with the idea of Eternity granting wishes afterwards. The in-world answer is probably bc Thanos wasn’t a god and maybe wasn’t aware of Eternity at all.
and then he makes another plot hole by allowing the bifrost to be a way to access it! Cause then it raises the question "why didn't thor just go there to wish for thanos to be stopped or something"?
Imagine the Avengers went to Eternity instead of timetraveling. However, a theory of mine is that Maybe Eternity’s location was never allowed to be visited by anyone in the Sacred timeline, and after the events of Loki, The TVA could no longer prevent the location of Eternity to become known by Gorr, or anyone for that matter.
@@erratic7434 Is it really? What if Thanos simply didn’t know about Eternity because it was only information held by Gods (and Gorr because perhaps the Necrosword whispered that information to him) Or what if Thanos was insistent on the infinity gauntlet because He didn’t want to waste his time figuring out how to get to Eternity? It appears not even Gods knew how. Gorr only knew after he got the scripture displaying the bifrost being the key.
2:05 That is a common criticism for Love and Thunder, and I have to agree that it would’ve been cool to show more scenes of Gorr actually killing gods onscreen. Anyway, you provided a decent answer to why Thanos didn’t seek out Eternity.
The requirements to gain admission to Valhalla is to die in battle while holding your weapon in your hand. It was the ultimate insult to a viking to die in battle without your weapon in hand, so if you respected your enemy you would grant them admission to Valhalla by giving your enemy their weapon before you killed them.
@Maggie I didn't say that's how she did. I'm just saying the requirement based on Norse mythology are what I stated. It's plain to see that they changed it in the mcu
@Maggie From what I can gather, (personal guesswork and opinion). Is that Valhalla is another death scape, like the Duat and the Ancestral Plane. And that where you end up after death is heavily influenced by belief, as explained in Moon Knight. There are 2 thoughts atm. 1) I don't necessarily think that dying IN battle is a requirement. And when Thor said it to SIF, there was def a comic undertone so not sure how seriously to take it. 2) It might not have to be a physical battle, it could be referring to her battle with cancer. So until the end, she was still fighting.
My big question was: How did nobody else access Eternity. In the Omnipotence City scene we find out that gods really are super selfish, and that Zeus has access to his own bifrost (his thunderbolt) So why did he never want to go to eternity simply for his own sake?
Because eternity is an entity and doesn't have to be nice if it doesn't want to be... Honestly if you were pretending to be a god would you seek out a being of truly eternal power and knowledge? I would say that by the time your powerful enough to access eternity your probably smart enough to not mess around with that kind of power. even with the gauntlet Thanos would be like a sloth or koala bear trying to fight a flame thrower equiped battle tank.
FYI after Love “comes back” there is a moment as she walks up to Gorr that you see her reflection in the water and you see the cosmic look of Eternity. I’m pretty sure that Eternity just became Love.
No her reflection was of singularity not eternity. I have to keep explaining to everyone. Singularity is a piece of the universe that gained consciousness
The real answer- the writers of infinity war didn’t know that taika was going to introduce it 4 years later When you’re writing a franchise, you need to be careful when introducing a maguffin, because people will ask why didn’t the previous bad guy use that thing instead?
@@SuperCarlinBrothers but the fact that eternity granted wishes is purely from this movie, right? Eternity has been referenced, yes, but that's because he is important to the comic lore
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Nice English skills youve got there. Capitalization, punctuation, and spelling error. And no, this is not the first time Ive made fun of a big RUclipsr. Love your content though, you bros are the best.
A god. Lowercase g. There are beings who are referred to with uppercase G's, but Gorr, Thor, Loki, Zeus arent among them. If you wanna uppercase a god's title beings like Eternity and Infinity in the MCU and The One Above All in the DCU are just about the only beings who are worthy of the big G.
Although the movie uses the word "The" in reference to its Necrosword, in the comics there is definitely more than one. Hela, for example, wields a Necrosword. In fact, they are made from the same substance as the Symbiotes and depending on the comic writer in question, are often actually sleeping Symbiotes themselves. Whether or not this fact is upheld in the MCU remains to be seen, but wielding a Necrosword has the same knowledge-transfer effect as bonding with a Symbiote. Whatever knowledge that Symbiote obtained from previous hosts because available to its current host. This is how Gorr learned about Eternity and the seal only breakable by Stormbreaker.
12:27 Jane going to Valhalla doesn't mean she's a Norse God. Remember in Moon Knight, Taweret said that there are a lot of afterlife, Egyptian afterlife, the Duat, isn't busy like it used to because nobody (or only a few people believe or worship they Egyptian gods during that time, maybe if the avatars of the other gods dies, they'll go there too, going back to Jane, Jane knows that everything she learned about norse mythology is true, thus making her a believer of their afterlife (not to mention her connection to their belief). Long story short, if Jane were to meet Marc Spector or Steven grant instead of Thor, she might have gone to the Duat instead of Valhalla.
Theory idea : why does Thor (and also in extension, other Asgardians) bleed blood and not Ichor (golden blood) like the rest of the gods in Omnipotent City?
@@chasehedges6775 given that Death wasn't even interested in him in "that way" (she's been head iver heels for Deadpool long enough for Thanos to legit curse him with immortality out of jealousy)... I strongly agree movie Thanos did have the better (if still flawed) motive.
If Thanos knew about Eternity and it's power, why didn't just use the tesseract, aka the space stone, to travel there? If anything besides the rainbow bridge could make the journey, the space stone could. Nor did Jane need either one to get there - Valkyrie's flying horse brought her there. I also wonder in "Omnipotent City" or whatever is was called is also in a pocket universe? That would have kept both Thanos and Gor out of it, at least without Stormbreaker or the Space Stone. It would also explain why none of the gods there died during the snap. Speaking of pocket dimensions, was Hela kept prisoner in one? Also, how did Odin turn to gold dust and presumably go to Valhalla? He didn't die in battle, unless the battle of wills between him and Hela counts as a higher form of combat?
Odin is allowed to go no matter what all good gods are. And Gods that bleed welth can’t die like normal people. Also thanos snapped half the plants also so who knows what he was thinking. And he snapped out the last flora colossal meaning he killed all of them not just half
Well actually about the gauntlet not reviving dead people, they couldn’t revive Natasha because she was specifically traded for the soul stone so it would defeat the purpose of you could just get that person back and be able to keep the stone. Second, when Bruce was snapping, Tony told him to only bring back those that died in the snap, and not to bring back anyone who died for any other reason this leads us to assume that they could have if the wanted too. Sorry for being THAT guy but I just wanted to help for future videos.
I always figured those specifically sacrificed for the soul stone couldn't be brought back by the stones because it would undermine the sacrifice needed to get it
That doesn't jive in my mind, though, because that means certain other effects would seem impossible for no reason. Like, if one had the Time stone in hand and had a crushed Vision and a dead Natasha, would you only be able to reverse time for Vision to restore him (as we've seen happen)? Would it repair any physical damage to the sacrificed person's body but leave the person braindead for no reason except that it would obviate the sacrifice? The "soul for a soul" thing is all well and good, but that would mean this one event around the soul stone (not even BY the soul stone) is the one bit of reality that could never be altered, a completely fixed moment in the timeline, and that doesn't make sense.
@@abydosianchulac2 I figured the sacrifice was enforced by the soul stone. Considering red skull seemed to have access to it's power without actually possessing it that the altar and it's guardian were conduits for the stones power and the test did use the stones power to enforce it. As far as the vision time reversal, I actually agree that it doesn't make much sense. Especially alongside my soul stone theory. The best I can reason was that vision and the mind stone weren't destroyed by an infinity stone, so an infinity stone was sufficient to reverse it.
@@abydosianchulac2 you would lose the stone it would be rewound like nat and as you bring her up the stone is lifted back into the black hole of death and you would lose the stone and her soul was eaten already by that point so coma yay
I kinda like that possessing all 6 infinity gems gives the power of Eternity's wish, it make sense cause the cosmic beings that give out this power are on an equal level with each other. Eternity's sister is Infinity who also had a statue at the centre of universe so that means she is also in the MCU and I thought it was Infinity who was solely responsible for the creation of the 6 infinity stones unless I'm wrong about that please correct me
@@biddie6789 Is that a thing in the comics cause I don't remember that being established in the MCU. Ngl it makes more sense if only Infinity made the stones cause of the name of em
This makes sense until you consider, You attacked and forced someone to make his shiny glove that could make a bifrost using axe, he could have gotten the bifrost if he wanted too
@@netherfreakultima4498 why? How? Just why? Thor doesn't fear him nether dose Gorg, and thanos fought thor iron man and cap all at once without the gauntlet /: There isn't anything to base that on
You can not say that "the gauntlet couldn't bring back Natasha thus it can't bring back the dead." She was a special case, you know, sacrifice for the soul stone and all that. The soul stone could just deny giving her up.
That would make the soul stone by itself more powerful than the combined strength of all 6 stones. It's a paradox to have an item be greater than a set including that item.
@@abydosianchulac2 no but it can influence them as part of the set /: They were made together, they could have been made not to revive the one that died for the soul stone
@@abydosianchulac2 the true name for the stones are the soul gems. Thanos renamed them to hide the fact the soul gem is the most powerful of them all and the most important. Also inside the stone there is a monster that eats souls so bay and gamoria souls have been eaten so no way to bring them back
My question isn't "why Thanos didn't use eternity?" Because Thanos is single minded and stubborn and it makes sense why he wouldn't know about eternity or wouldn't care about it. My question is "why didn't the avengers seek eternity in endgame?" Because thor had stormbreaker then and knew the myth of eternity. Even if he didn't know that stormbreaker was the key, if they had put in an ounce of effort I am sure they could've figured it out
Because Thor thought it was a myth. Why would he bring up something he doesn't even think is real? Also he was most likely not thinking straight what with all the trauma and depression.
The soul stone denied her return because of how the soul exchange works but the time stone allows doctor strange to resurrect a Infinite number of times
1) There's no reason to suspect that Thanos knew about Eternity. Thanos didn't even know where the Soul Stone was. Thor thought Eternity was a myth, didn't know where he was, and didn't know the key to freeing him. Plus Gorr had to rebuild the gates of Eternity in the first place. Thanos still would have at least had to get his hands on the Time or Reality Stone (or Necrosword or comparable power) to rebuild the gates before he could use the Bifrost he didn't have to unlock Eternity. 2) We have seen things revived from death in the MCU before. Hulk's snap brought everyone back to life. (The Soul Stone should be able to resurrect people on its own. If it wasn't killing people in the snap, then it probably wasn't really needed.) Wanda brought Vision back to life within the Hex. Coulson and Yo-yo were temporarily resurrected with Kree blood. The Hand resurrected themselves and Elektra with dragon bones. 3) Natasha not being resurrected wasn't a limitation of the stones' power; it was part of the Soul Stone's soul-for-a-soul deal. It chose not to resurrect Natasha.
The way I see it, god is a rank in the MCU rather than a species. Odin, Thor and Sif are Asgardians. Sif is not a god. She's nowhere near powerful enough. Korg and his species are rock creatures. One of those rock creatures was a god sitting on a throne of scissors.
I find it funny how Diablo Immortal commercial comes on (as Ben talks about it a lot on popcorn culture) right after he is about to explain what the snap does with the gauntlet on. At 4:57.
I think the gauntlet could bring dead people back to life, however could not bring Nat back because she was sacrificed for the soul stone, which is part of the gauntlet. It can’t bring back those who are sacrificed to get it, but I think it could anyone else not sacrificed in its honor.
12:23 According to Norse mythology (at least my understanding of it), being a god is NOT a requirement for entering Valhalla, the ONLY requirement is dying in battle. Although it seems that in the MCU, being a god does also grant you access to Valhalla even if you didn't die in battle, since neither Odin nor Jane die in battle.
Perhaps only the gods knew of eternity’s existence? Or that the bifrost was thought to have been destroyed on Asgard, along with any hope of replicating its technology to access the bifrost energy. The most likely answer however, thanos simply found out about the stones first. And then refused to research any other possibility. Having a strict focussed mind on just getting the stones. Or another possibility, thanos came across the mind stone while killing populations, and it was the stone that gave him the vision to collect the others. He does say to Tony he was cursed with knowledge.
I actually can see Light-year fittings in the Pixar theory. . It takes place 2 million years in the future and in another galaxy. So maybe buzz when out into space before the Axiom
I think the real reason hulk couldn't bring back black widow was because she died to get the sole stone. Like I think if she were to die in a car crash hulk could bring her back
That was my thinking, Thanos probably didn’t know about Eternity. There also would be the issue of him not wanting to risk someone else getting to Eternity first and forever denying him that option.
Natasha died as a result of getting the stone so its prolly out of eternity’s hands if it wasnt the only thing to create the stones itthe power of 4 individuals total as you said eternity was beat by the stones so maybe stones power supersedes eternity meaning natasha is just gone but love didnt die from stones she just died from hunger or something so eternity like oh thats easy here ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Marvel pocket dimensions are funny. There's one that's entirely filled with the hulks muscles when he's Bruce Banner. That's how he changes mass when he transforms.
Nidavelir is one of the places that fell between Thor movies, due to Loki mismanaging Asgard's forces, and banishing Heimdall. Thor mentions that several realms have been calling Asgard for aid, just before threatening to squish Odin/Loki's head at the start of Ragnarök.
I think we can do a lot of hadwaving with: The Necrosword is a magic and intelligent weapon, like Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. Why was there a weird plotline about the jealousy between Thor, Mjolnir, and Stormbreaker? This helps establish the existence of weapons that can have desires and feelings. This sets up the idea that the main villain might actually be the Necrosword. How did Gorr level up so fast and know about Eternity? Gorr felt betrayed by this one particular God. The quest to kill all the Gods was actually the Necrosword's quest, but it needed a living being to wield it, and it chose Gorr to help achieve its goal. Gorr changed quickly when he claimed the Necrosword, and again after the Necrosword was destroyed. The Necrosword probably already knew about Eternity, maybe from its past interactions with other Gods, but never had any means to open the gateway until it saw Thor arrive with Stormbreaker on the Bifrost in New Asgard.
The comic book answer is that it depends on which iteration of Thanos it is. Thanos-616 was specifically trying to court death (court as in, he loved her) so he saw killing half of all living beings this way was closer to what death would want from him. Not just wiping them with Eternity. Later versions were looking for the power cosmic and needed to kill literally everyone to get to it.
Eternity is also in the 2019 edition of the Marvel Encyclopedia so It's not just a character created for the movie based off another character from the comics. I'm at work while watching this video, so I can't say any more information but I did look up the character after seeing the movie.
Because an Infinity Gauntlet along with the stones creates a much more marketable product than simply standing before a giant black figure making a wish. Heck, even Sheron requires the 7 Dragon Balls which means more merchandise to be created for sale 😂
Here’s the only issue with Thanos not knowing about Eternity. Remember Thanos is the one who gave Loki the mind stone so he had the mind stone at some point (even the line in infinity war from Thanos “you’re not the only one cursed with knowledge hints that Thanos used it). So since Thanos had the mind stone before giving it to Loki he could’ve known about Eternity from the stone. My guess is the reason why Thanos or none of the gods or people who knew about Eternity never sought it out is because making a wish comes with a price, one that we’re simply not aware of yet, so my guess is that there’s some cosmic level consequences coming for making a wish from Eternity, and that’s why Thanos, the gods or no one else sought out Eternity, because the cosmic level consequences weren’t worth the wish, no matter how great
We know death soul, eternity space, and chiton reality have been released from their prisons. That Just leaves galactus or infinity power, Eon time, and entropy mind. That will be so cool
7:05 Natasha is a special case, she is bound to the soul stone since she was used for the sacrifice. I think the gauntlet could have restored life to another person who died incidentally in infinity war (the collector for example).
It makes more sense that Banner couldn't bring Natasha back because the stones seem to act in a similar way to making a wish, performing one narrowly defined action at a time. Thanos knew he wanted to be on his retirement planet when he performed The Snap, but we see he teleports away as a separate action to it instead of straight up reordering the universe to his desired outcome in one go. He had to use the stones multiple times to perform multiple tasks. The same might have happened for Banner: he might have wanted everyone he missed to be alive, but the stones wouldn't revive Natasha because doing so would have been a separate effect from undoing The Snap. He might have been able to revive her as a second action, but he never got the chance to after burning out from using the stones once.
Not only did Thanos not know about Eternity, but the key to Eternity was the bifrost, which gets destroyed in the first Thor movie. Also Stormbreaker wasn't even created until infinity war, so there was no bifrost. The bifrost was rebuilt but then was destroyed again along with the rest of Asgard.
6:35 That's assuming the gauntlet's power is divided equally amongst all the stones. It's possible Eternity's stone isn't as strong as Death's (for example)
I think the better question is why didn’t Thor use Eternity to defeat Thanos or whatever? He knew about it, knew it’s location and had the fricken key.
Maybe only Gods (big G ones) know about the Well of Eternity, you can hear the Necrosword whispering the info to Gorr from the moment he walks into that oasis, even telling him he needs the Bifrost. It might also only grant wishes to mortals that make it there. Also, Love might not have been revived, technically, Korg says the child born of Eternity. So maybe she's been born again, rather than having her death undone.
Slight rebuttal to saying Eternity is as powerful as the infinity stones because he helped make them: Humans have created things like cars and cranes and planes but humans can not run really fast or lift very heavy things or fly. Just because a person can make something powerful does not mean that they are innately as powerful as a result. Therefore just because Eternity helped make the infinity stones, it does not necessarily mean that he has those abilities or even anything equivalent. He still might, but that fact alone does not prove anything one way or the other.
Except your saying my heart is more powerful then me? You are saying something that is a part of someone is more powerful then the person who it is a part of?
I’ve got a video idea Ben. In your HarrMione video you mentioned that you think Ron and Luna should have got together but never elaborated. I’d be really interested in a video explaining why you ship them, it’s quite an interesting ship, not one I’ve heard anywhere else.
Definitely agree on Thanos not knowing eternity existed. However I would disagree that eternity is more powerful than the stones. Maybe if he had created them by himself sure but he didn't it took 4 of them to makes the stones so to me that means 6 stones roughly equals the 4 of them so eternity by himself would maybe only be as powerful as one or two stones. Also the stones absolutely can bring people back to life they just couldn't bring back Natasha because she wasn't just dead but she was essentially absorbed into the soul stone.
Eternity is the universe You are saying a single drop of my blood a part of me is more powerful then me as a whole with said drop of blood. That is the equivalent to eternity and the stone witch are like a single drop of blood for him and are a part of him
Theory: The reason why it's "the first person who gets to me gets a wish granted" is was just a way to tempt a person to wake him back up and have him back to the minds of everyone so he could do what he wants. I donno if this was actually the case, I need to see the movie to solidify the theory and I don't want people to actually tell me lol. But it's a very interesting concept that they actually put in an Wishing Entity as I'm also experimenting with a similar concept. (The Hag of Wishes) but she has *very* different rules (and my campaign group decided to actually make a church dedicated to her through her wishing wells as I was judging their game. It was amazing but unexpected.)
Maybe he wasn't able to get there, and by the time he got the Space stone, he figured, "Oh, well, screw it. I've already got two stones, I might as well get the rest. I'd prefer to have a challenge than easily get what I want."
The real question is: Why didn't Thor seek out Eternity after they killed Thanos? He knew about it, and had access to it, and would have used it for such a wish as to restore the life taken by the stones.
Because Eternity grants one wish. Only. Forever. Thanos still has the stones, so if they just wished all life back, Thanos could just snap half of it away all over again and they'd still need to find some other way to restore life again after the second Snap. Which Thanos could decide to focus on removing them as well.
@@tyrannicpuppy They had 5 years of Thanos being dead and the stones being destroyed. And bringing back half of the life of the universe seems like a good use of an Eternity wish.
I was turbo interested in this video! Y’all always make my day awesome!!!! That being said…. The fact that a scene from Harry Potter with Shackelbolt was my favourite part! Bring back Harry potter(?)! :)
The axe had to be in that world and pointing at that wall to reach eternity. Seems like you need to be at that location for it to work. Therefore you only do it with stormbreaker
Not only would he not likely know the existence of the wish but even if he did, there is no way he could have ever found out about the key. As far as what is shown, basically no one knew that the bifrost was the key. The only known entity shown to know that the bifrost was the key was the NecroSword. Even Zues only wanted to keep Thor there because he knew how to get to Omnipotence City.
Wow Thor Love and Thunder was a good movie. I still love the first Thor better. Christian Bale as Gorr the god butcher really really remind me of Joker. I want to see Christian Bale play Joker. Gorr was to funny for me. Every time we see Thor he get more powerful. It's crazy that Thor is the reason Jane could left Mjolnor and he gift the Asgard kids some of he's power. So happy to see Erik Selvig Darcy Lewis and Heimdall. I really thought Lady Sif was going to die. I was so shocked that Gorr didn't kill Zeus and the Zeus might die my the hands of Thor. Super excited to see Thor vs Hercules. I think Valkyrie will give up being King of New Asgard and Thor will be King of New Asgard. I was go to be very sad if Korg die. I think we are going to see more of Jane Foster. She going to come back to live or a Multiverse version of Jane Foster. Love the Guns and Roses song in the movie. Still waiting for Thunderstruck by AC/DC. So funny see Thor treat Mjolnor and Stormbreaker like a dog. Thor needs to go back to stormbreaker. The goat's are so annoying. I think these characters could the next villain for Thor 5 Cul Borson, Enchantress, Jormungand, Ulik, Seth, Ares,Grey Gargoyle. I want Ares to be the villain for Thor 5. Loki was still the best villain Thor has fought. Gorr was like Ultron. They both supposed to be scary but they were funny than scary. I really want to see more Natalie Portman as Lady Thor. I didn't believe I would like Natalie Portman as Lady Thor. I love her as Lady Thor. I think Beta Bill Ray is died
I'm pretty sure that bringing Natasha back to life isn't so much the stones not being able to bring back the dead but rather the fact that Natasha becomes the soul stone thus almost ceasing to exist in said universe, and we did see Gomora coming back to life in part as a result of Natasha replacing her as the soul stone.
I have a theory for you: Did the six infinity stones that were reduced to atoms mix with Wanda’s particles when she was brought back from the blip? Prior to Endgame, Wanda’s only power seems to revolve around minds and telekinesis because she is being powered by the mind stone but after she returns she suddenly starts to display all sorts of new abilities which seems to closer align with the other infinity stones like reality bending, increased power, being able to create life, reversing time, etc. I know she is the Scarlet Witch and that is the explanation for her powers but Wandavision also showed the infinity stones has a weird interest in her. So maybe they fused themselves with her in order to still have agency in the world and that is actually what makes her so powerful.
Here is my question, Was Haimdall the guardian of the Bifrost, and the guard of Eternity? Follow me, before Asgard was destroyed Haimdall needed his sword to operate the Bifrost as a Key, and his other power of seeing all he would know the motive for using the Bifrost and would grant permission. Now that it was destroyed and Thor just willy nelly makes Stormbraker with the ability to access the Bifrost without an overseer or key to make sure it was not to be used to access Eternity.
Before I even watch this is my theory.. when Thanos D-Day began, Storm Breaker wasn’t made yet and Asgard was destroyed. So, Thanos didn’t have a way to access the “key”. Thanos DID need the gauntlet.
@@LucasAndrei I don’t believe he knew it was even an option (as the gauntlet was being made). He didn’t even encounter Storm Breaker until he already had all 6 stones. If he knew about Storm Breaker when getting the gauntlet, he would’ve just asked for that instead because it would’ve been way more efficient and he wouldn’t have had to fight anyone but the dwarves to get it and then he could’ve gone to eternity with no resistance and snapped half the universe and no one would’ve even known he was behind it.
Love could be Singularity, but she could also be Mistress Love (or just Love) who, in the comics, is the living embodiment of love (there's a lot of those for abstract concepts in the comics) and is one of the beings that are basically just below Eternity and Infinity in the hierarchy of power. She could also just have some kind of power/s given by Eternity for some unknown purpose. Also, Moon Knight has already established that the afterlife that one goes to changes depending on what they believe it to be, which would be why Jane ends up there after death and why they kept mentioning Valhalla-in order for her to believe that she would be going there. I also saw somewhere that Jane going to Valhalla could have a deeper meaning which is her dying while in the battle against cancer. So yeah, there's still the possibility of Jane, Heimdall, and the other Asgardians coming back but I wouldn't expect anything to happen to them after death unless it's explicitly alluded to.
No Ben, you're forgetting the fact that every time you snap with the gauntlet it really screws up your body. It killed Tony, and destroyed both Thanos's and Bruce's arms. But there's also the possibility of using the stones to heal yourself maybe.
The rumor was reaching eternity leads to a wish/desire being granted. BUT Eternity in the comics is seen as the counterbalance to Death (Chaos to Order, Love to Hate etc.). If the comics inform this in any way, I don't see Eternity granting a wish that would seemingly cut his power/essence in half. He may consider the wish of someone who finds him, but will it be granted? Is Eternity wise enough to technically grant reckless wishes in a manner that won't harm Eternity or the universe? Maybe Thanos's wish would be granted in a way that a super high number of quickly reproducing single-celled organisms dies and quickly repopulates leaving Thanos feeling like a fool as technically 1/2 of the living organisms of the universe died but within an hour everything is pretty much as it was before the wish was made. The number of deities in the MCU is quite a bit lower than 1/2 of all life in the universe, but we still do not know if Eternity would have granted that wish. We only know that Eternity granted the wish of Gorr's daughter to return to life (as Gorr himself dies keeping some sort of balance with Eternity and Death as Gorr with the Necrosword would not be dying). I don't think Eternity would simply act in a manner that would knock the cosmos out of whack even if Eternity had little to say in that scene.
Valhalla operates based on religious beliefs. As was stated in Moon Knight, there are multiple versions of the afterlife based on which beliefs a person holds. Wakandans go to the Ancestorial Plain, Egyptians go to The Field of Reeds, Asgardians/Nordics go to Valhalla.
I really hope Jane and Heimdall don't come back, and that the Valhalla scene was just a nice way of showing that they finally got peace after death.
Same
I mean mythology wise Valhalla residents would go to battle again at ragnorok and that technically already happened ish?
I thought that the scene was there so if they do kill off Thor we all know that he has a happy ending in Valhalla.
Maybe we’ll get a scene of Thor joining them when he does his last movie
it really depends on whether or not they want Jane to become a Valkyrie like in the comics. If they decide to leave her there (or NP decides she's not interested in doing another film), then they don't have to do anything with her character. If they want her back, boom, make her a Valkyrie responsible for guiding people to Valhalla. She's effectively shelved (like Scarlet Witch) until/if needed.
The stones might be capable of resurrection. It's possible that Banner was unable to bring back Natasha because she had been sacrificed for the stones, rather than simply them being unable to undo death.
Also, bringing someone back to life who didn't perish in the Snap would have been a separate action, a discrete effect being sought, a separate command given to the stones. But, Banner is burned out from using the gloves just once, so he doesn't have the chance to try to resurrect her.
I was going to say this, not as well as you though
Vision
Yeah, the time stone has resurrected a ton of people in the MCU (Vision, Wong & the other sorcerers of Hong Kong, Strange about 100 times...)
@@rogerdrayer1503 Yeah the time stone is singlehandedly one of the most powerful stones out there
The problem with the gauntlet not being able to bring back life is that the requirements for the soul stone was to sacrifice someone you love (a soul for a soul) and bringing back Natasha would make the obtainment of the soul stone and the sacrifice made for it null.
Agreed. The infinity gauntlet could absolutely bring people back to life it did it many times over in the MCU already. You could probably bring an individual back to life with just the reality stone and the soul stone. You just can't get back any lives sacrificed to the soul stone, you gave it that soul of course you can't use it to take it back.
I agree. Like if they used the stone to resurrect, let's say... Killmonger, or Klaue, or maybe ancient one, or even Loki, the stones might have granted it. But since Natasha's (or even Gamora) case is different, they can never use the stone to resurrect her.
@@glycell5008 Could also bring them back with the time stone
Perhaps the fact Thanos didn't really interact with the gods. Eternity seemed like something the gods knew about only and the entity in the necro-sword is as old if not older than the gods so would also know.
The stones are physical object that have significant power on thier own so would be recorded and tracked throughout history. Eternity probably just slipped into myth only known to be true by those who would rather eternity remained slumbering
Not true he knew about Odin it’s one of the reasons he never came to earth before
Didn’t gorr need storm breaker. Why isn’t anyone mentioning the fact that for most of mcu it wasn’t a thing
@@daylight3325 he needed the power of the bifrost, stormbreaker can summon the bifrost.
Why couldn’t thor go to eternity and wish that thanos is dead or something
The simple answer is Taika Waititi came up with the idea of Eternity granting wishes afterwards. The in-world answer is probably bc Thanos wasn’t a god and maybe wasn’t aware of Eternity at all.
Also, Storm breaker was needed to enter Eternity and Storm breaker didn't exist until Thanos was collecting the stones
@@CallmeJochem it was the bifrost, not storm breaker specifically so ig getting mjolnir or somehow using Heimdall would probably have also worked
No one knew you needed the bifrost to get there.
They just knew it existed but no one was able to find it
@@nolifespider mjolnir doesn't have the power of the bifrost
and then he makes another plot hole by allowing the bifrost to be a way to access it! Cause then it raises the question "why didn't thor just go there to wish for thanos to be stopped or something"?
this is objectively the best supercarlinbrothers video purely due to the ted lasso reference at 9:50
Imagine the Avengers went to Eternity instead of timetraveling. However, a theory of mine is that Maybe Eternity’s location was never allowed to be visited by anyone in the Sacred timeline, and after the events of Loki, The TVA could no longer prevent the location of Eternity to become known by Gorr, or anyone for that matter.
I’m stealing this as my headcannon
This is the only valid explanation I think
@@erratic7434 Is it really? What if Thanos simply didn’t know about Eternity because it was only information held by Gods (and Gorr because perhaps the Necrosword whispered that information to him)
Or what if Thanos was insistent on the infinity gauntlet because He didn’t want to waste his time figuring out how to get to Eternity? It appears not even Gods knew how. Gorr only knew after he got the scripture displaying the bifrost being the key.
2:05 That is a common criticism for Love and Thunder, and I have to agree that it would’ve been cool to show more scenes of Gorr actually killing gods onscreen. Anyway, you provided a decent answer to why Thanos didn’t seek out Eternity.
The requirements to gain admission to Valhalla is to die in battle while holding your weapon in your hand.
It was the ultimate insult to a viking to die in battle without your weapon in hand, so if you respected your enemy you would grant them admission to Valhalla by giving your enemy their weapon before you killed them.
Interesting.
Yes and Janes battle against cancer and her wepon was her chemotherapy
@@ked49 it actually wasn’t, she gave up on chemo, sorta the point of the movie...
@Maggie I didn't say that's how she did. I'm just saying the requirement based on Norse mythology are what I stated.
It's plain to see that they changed it in the mcu
@Maggie From what I can gather, (personal guesswork and opinion). Is that Valhalla is another death scape, like the Duat and the Ancestral Plane. And that where you end up after death is heavily influenced by belief, as explained in Moon Knight. There are 2 thoughts atm.
1) I don't necessarily think that dying IN battle is a requirement. And when Thor said it to SIF, there was def a comic undertone so not sure how seriously to take it.
2) It might not have to be a physical battle, it could be referring to her battle with cancer. So until the end, she was still fighting.
My big question was: How did nobody else access Eternity. In the Omnipotence City scene we find out that gods really are super selfish, and that Zeus has access to his own bifrost (his thunderbolt) So why did he never want to go to eternity simply for his own sake?
What would they need from eternity? They’re gods
I don't think zeus's thunderbolt is bifrost it could function similarly as a way of travel but bifrost is specifically for asgard and the norse stuff
I found this quote "It is the privilege of the gods to want nothing, and of godlike men to want little."
Because eternity is an entity and doesn't have to be nice if it doesn't want to be... Honestly if you were pretending to be a god would you seek out a being of truly eternal power and knowledge? I would say that by the time your powerful enough to access eternity your probably smart enough to not mess around with that kind of power. even with the gauntlet Thanos would be like a sloth or koala bear trying to fight a flame thrower equiped battle tank.
I like the idea that the Asgardians are separated from the other gods because they guard the bifrost. (Thunderbolt being similar but not the same)
FYI after Love “comes back” there is a moment as she walks up to Gorr that you see her reflection in the water and you see the cosmic look of Eternity. I’m pretty sure that Eternity just became Love.
No her reflection was of singularity not eternity. I have to keep explaining to everyone. Singularity is a piece of the universe that gained consciousness
The real answer- the writers of infinity war didn’t know that taika was going to introduce it 4 years later
When you’re writing a franchise, you need to be careful when introducing a maguffin, because people will ask why didn’t the previous bad guy use that thing instead?
I"m not even sure i think thats true.. Eternity is introduces prior to this movie
@@SuperCarlinBrothers but the fact that eternity granted wishes is purely from this movie, right? Eternity has been referenced, yes, but that's because he is important to the comic lore
@@SuperCarlinBrothers eternity granting wishes was Taika's idea
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Nice English skills youve got there. Capitalization, punctuation, and spelling error.
And no, this is not the first time Ive made fun of a big RUclipsr. Love your content though, you bros are the best.
@@michaelcherokee8906 why are you going around correcting everyone? Does it mek u fill betr?
Jane got into Valhalla because she DID DIE IN BATTLE, she didn't die in her battle with Gore, she died in her battle with cancer
Heheheheheheheheheh
Yes and her weapon was chemo
Thor thought the Eternity thing was a myth. He only heard of it because he was a God so Thanos wouldn't have heard of it at all.
A god. Lowercase g. There are beings who are referred to with uppercase G's, but Gorr, Thor, Loki, Zeus arent among them. If you wanna uppercase a god's title beings like Eternity and Infinity in the MCU and The One Above All in the DCU are just about the only beings who are worthy of the big G.
@@michaelcherokee8906 DCU? One above all is in marvel comics. The Presinse The Hand And the Voice are DC.
@@ked49 Oops. I guess I mixed up my universes. Oh well.
Although the movie uses the word "The" in reference to its Necrosword, in the comics there is definitely more than one. Hela, for example, wields a Necrosword.
In fact, they are made from the same substance as the Symbiotes and depending on the comic writer in question, are often actually sleeping Symbiotes themselves.
Whether or not this fact is upheld in the MCU remains to be seen, but wielding a Necrosword has the same knowledge-transfer effect as bonding with a Symbiote.
Whatever knowledge that Symbiote obtained from previous hosts because available to its current host. This is how Gorr learned about Eternity and the seal only breakable by Stormbreaker.
Thank you for doing a linear ad progress bar rather than the previous exponential one. I watched the whole thing as a result.
12:27 Jane going to Valhalla doesn't mean she's a Norse God. Remember in Moon Knight, Taweret said that there are a lot of afterlife, Egyptian afterlife, the Duat, isn't busy like it used to because nobody (or only a few people believe or worship they Egyptian gods during that time, maybe if the avatars of the other gods dies, they'll go there too, going back to Jane, Jane knows that everything she learned about norse mythology is true, thus making her a believer of their afterlife (not to mention her connection to their belief). Long story short, if Jane were to meet Marc Spector or Steven grant instead of Thor, she might have gone to the Duat instead of Valhalla.
Theory idea : why does Thor (and also in extension, other Asgardians) bleed blood and not Ichor (golden blood) like the rest of the gods in Omnipotent City?
Simple. It's not the same Thanos as the comics... At least in terms of motive. One wanted population control, the other just wanted to impress Death.
Impressing death seems kind of lame.
The movie version of Thanos is better
@@chasehedges6775 given that Death wasn't even interested in him in "that way" (she's been head iver heels for Deadpool long enough for Thanos to legit curse him with immortality out of jealousy)...
I strongly agree movie Thanos did have the better (if still flawed) motive.
*Screenwriter guy:* gonna need you to hop all the way off my back about this.
If Thanos knew about Eternity and it's power, why didn't just use the tesseract, aka the space stone, to travel there? If anything besides the rainbow bridge could make the journey, the space stone could. Nor did Jane need either one to get there - Valkyrie's flying horse brought her there.
I also wonder in "Omnipotent City" or whatever is was called is also in a pocket universe? That would have kept both Thanos and Gor out of it, at least without Stormbreaker or the Space Stone. It would also explain why none of the gods there died during the snap.
Speaking of pocket dimensions, was Hela kept prisoner in one? Also, how did Odin turn to gold dust and presumably go to Valhalla? He didn't die in battle, unless the battle of wills between him and Hela counts as a higher form of combat?
Odin is allowed to go no matter what all good gods are. And Gods that bleed welth can’t die like normal people. Also thanos snapped half the plants also so who knows what he was thinking. And he snapped out the last flora colossal meaning he killed all of them not just half
Well actually about the gauntlet not reviving dead people, they couldn’t revive Natasha because she was specifically traded for the soul stone so it would defeat the purpose of you could just get that person back and be able to keep the stone. Second, when Bruce was snapping, Tony told him to only bring back those that died in the snap, and not to bring back anyone who died for any other reason this leads us to assume that they could have if the wanted too. Sorry for being THAT guy but I just wanted to help for future videos.
I always figured those specifically sacrificed for the soul stone couldn't be brought back by the stones because it would undermine the sacrifice needed to get it
That doesn't jive in my mind, though, because that means certain other effects would seem impossible for no reason. Like, if one had the Time stone in hand and had a crushed Vision and a dead Natasha, would you only be able to reverse time for Vision to restore him (as we've seen happen)? Would it repair any physical damage to the sacrificed person's body but leave the person braindead for no reason except that it would obviate the sacrifice? The "soul for a soul" thing is all well and good, but that would mean this one event around the soul stone (not even BY the soul stone) is the one bit of reality that could never be altered, a completely fixed moment in the timeline, and that doesn't make sense.
@@abydosianchulac2 I figured the sacrifice was enforced by the soul stone. Considering red skull seemed to have access to it's power without actually possessing it that the altar and it's guardian were conduits for the stones power and the test did use the stones power to enforce it. As far as the vision time reversal, I actually agree that it doesn't make much sense. Especially alongside my soul stone theory. The best I can reason was that vision and the mind stone weren't destroyed by an infinity stone, so an infinity stone was sufficient to reverse it.
@@abydosianchulac2 you would lose the stone it would be rewound like nat and as you bring her up the stone is lifted back into the black hole of death and you would lose the stone and her soul was eaten already by that point so coma yay
I love that Love could actually be Singularity. As soon as I saw her reflection in the Final World, my eyes went wide.
I kinda like that possessing all 6 infinity gems gives the power of Eternity's wish, it make sense cause the cosmic beings that give out this power are on an equal level with each other. Eternity's sister is Infinity who also had a statue at the centre of universe so that means she is also in the MCU and I thought it was Infinity who was solely responsible for the creation of the 6 infinity stones unless I'm wrong about that please correct me
It’s referenced in this video, 4 primordial beings created the infinity stones. Infinity, Eternity and two others
The other two are death and entropy, 6:16
I thought Infinity was the other side of Eternity, like the reverse side of a coin.
@@biddie6789 Is that a thing in the comics cause I don't remember that being established in the MCU. Ngl it makes more sense if only Infinity made the stones cause of the name of em
@@michaelcherokee8906 no entropy is eternity’s opposite
Thanos didn't have Stormbreaker or access to the bifrost
He wouldn't have been able to reach Eternity
This makes sense until you consider,
You attacked and forced someone to make his shiny glove that could make a bifrost using axe, he could have gotten the bifrost if he wanted too
@@connorschultz380 it's almost like Thanos feared Eternity
@@netherfreakultima4498 why? How? Just why? Thor doesn't fear him nether dose Gorg, and thanos fought thor iron man and cap all at once without the gauntlet /:
There isn't anything to base that on
@@connorschultz380 fair point
Maybe he was too committed to his own cause to do that
You can not say that "the gauntlet couldn't bring back Natasha thus it can't bring back the dead."
She was a special case, you know, sacrifice for the soul stone and all that.
The soul stone could just deny giving her up.
That would make the soul stone by itself more powerful than the combined strength of all 6 stones. It's a paradox to have an item be greater than a set including that item.
@@abydosianchulac2 no but it can influence them as part of the set /:
They were made together, they could have been made not to revive the one that died for the soul stone
@@abydosianchulac2 the true name for the stones are the soul gems. Thanos renamed them to hide the fact the soul gem is the most powerful of them all and the most important. Also inside the stone there is a monster that eats souls so bay and gamoria souls have been eaten so no way to bring them back
My question isn't "why Thanos didn't use eternity?" Because Thanos is single minded and stubborn and it makes sense why he wouldn't know about eternity or wouldn't care about it. My question is "why didn't the avengers seek eternity in endgame?" Because thor had stormbreaker then and knew the myth of eternity. Even if he didn't know that stormbreaker was the key, if they had put in an ounce of effort I am sure they could've figured it out
Because Thor thought it was a myth. Why would he bring up something he doesn't even think is real? Also he was most likely not thinking straight what with all the trauma and depression.
The soul stone denied her return because of how the soul exchange works but the time stone allows doctor strange to resurrect a Infinite number of times
One of these days it would be cool to see a SCB and Film Theory collab
Thanos: I must bring balance to the universe.
He Who Remains/The Conquerer: All i have to do is watch and wait.
This needs to happen.
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1) There's no reason to suspect that Thanos knew about Eternity. Thanos didn't even know where the Soul Stone was. Thor thought Eternity was a myth, didn't know where he was, and didn't know the key to freeing him. Plus Gorr had to rebuild the gates of Eternity in the first place. Thanos still would have at least had to get his hands on the Time or Reality Stone (or Necrosword or comparable power) to rebuild the gates before he could use the Bifrost he didn't have to unlock Eternity.
2) We have seen things revived from death in the MCU before. Hulk's snap brought everyone back to life. (The Soul Stone should be able to resurrect people on its own. If it wasn't killing people in the snap, then it probably wasn't really needed.) Wanda brought Vision back to life within the Hex. Coulson and Yo-yo were temporarily resurrected with Kree blood. The Hand resurrected themselves and Elektra with dragon bones.
3) Natasha not being resurrected wasn't a limitation of the stones' power; it was part of the Soul Stone's soul-for-a-soul deal. It chose not to resurrect Natasha.
2 quake not yo yo quake got her powers first after colson found out what the symbols mean
@@ked49 Quake didn't die. Yo-yo did. You're forgetting Season 5.
@@Volvagia0slayer that I am sorry
Prob my fav theory from the SCB channel all year! Cheers, and pop pop!
I don’t really understand why Thor is considered a god, even though Odín said “We’re not gods. We are born, live, die.”
The way I see it, god is a rank in the MCU rather than a species.
Odin, Thor and Sif are Asgardians. Sif is not a god. She's nowhere near powerful enough.
Korg and his species are rock creatures. One of those rock creatures was a god sitting on a throne of scissors.
@@k9commander and groot has a god siting on a throne of rocks probably.
@@k9commander and meek has a god sitting on an origomi throne most likely
By human standards, Thor is a god, between his powers & his lifespan
I find it funny how Diablo Immortal commercial comes on (as Ben talks about it a lot on popcorn culture) right after he is about to explain what the snap does with the gauntlet on. At 4:57.
A goddess of love did appear in Agents of SHEILD…
I think the gauntlet could bring dead people back to life, however could not bring Nat back because she was sacrificed for the soul stone, which is part of the gauntlet. It can’t bring back those who are sacrificed to get it, but I think it could anyone else not sacrificed in its honor.
12:23 According to Norse mythology (at least my understanding of it), being a god is NOT a requirement for entering Valhalla, the ONLY requirement is dying in battle.
Although it seems that in the MCU, being a god does also grant you access to Valhalla even if you didn't die in battle, since neither Odin nor Jane die in battle.
No Jane did die in battle against cancer. And that is better than the battle against gorr everyone is saying
Perhaps only the gods knew of eternity’s existence?
Or that the bifrost was thought to have been destroyed on Asgard, along with any hope of replicating its technology to access the bifrost energy.
The most likely answer however, thanos simply found out about the stones first. And then refused to research any other possibility. Having a strict focussed mind on just getting the stones.
Or another possibility, thanos came across the mind stone while killing populations, and it was the stone that gave him the vision to collect the others. He does say to Tony he was cursed with knowledge.
Love your vids keep up the great work!
They’re awesome
You haven’t seen the video thus comment came 14 minutes ago and the video is 14 minutes
@@matiasgonzalez3283 ok well now I watched it and I still agree with past me
I actually can see Light-year fittings in the Pixar theory.
. It takes place 2 million years in the future and in another galaxy. So maybe buzz when out into space before the Axiom
I think the real reason hulk couldn't bring back black widow was because she died to get the sole stone. Like I think if she were to die in a car crash hulk could bring her back
That was my thinking, Thanos probably didn’t know about Eternity. There also would be the issue of him not wanting to risk someone else getting to Eternity first and forever denying him that option.
Imagine if he opened the portal and one of his minions tripped and got there first :))
Natasha died as a result of getting the stone so its prolly out of eternity’s hands if it wasnt the only thing to create the stones itthe power of 4 individuals total as you said eternity was beat by the stones so maybe stones power supersedes eternity meaning natasha is just gone but love didnt die from stones she just died from hunger or something so eternity like oh thats easy here ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Marvel pocket dimensions are funny. There's one that's entirely filled with the hulks muscles when he's Bruce Banner. That's how he changes mass when he transforms.
Yes
This all begs the question though, we’re the gods affected by the snap? Or were they simply too powerful or or they’re not “living beings.”
They were... "half" of the asguardians were killed by Thanos and half of what remained were dusted
No they weren’t. None of the iniade mentioned it nor did those other gods that bleed gold
Shallow open plane of water, I think the MCU is related to Skyward Sword.
He had the gauntlet at the end of age of ultron though? Way before asgard falls in ragnorok
Nidavelir is one of the places that fell between Thor movies, due to Loki mismanaging Asgard's forces, and banishing Heimdall. Thor mentions that several realms have been calling Asgard for aid, just before threatening to squish Odin/Loki's head at the start of Ragnarök.
I think we can do a lot of hadwaving with: The Necrosword is a magic and intelligent weapon, like Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.
Why was there a weird plotline about the jealousy between Thor, Mjolnir, and Stormbreaker? This helps establish the existence of weapons that can have desires and feelings. This sets up the idea that the main villain might actually be the Necrosword.
How did Gorr level up so fast and know about Eternity? Gorr felt betrayed by this one particular God. The quest to kill all the Gods was actually the Necrosword's quest, but it needed a living being to wield it, and it chose Gorr to help achieve its goal. Gorr changed quickly when he claimed the Necrosword, and again after the Necrosword was destroyed. The Necrosword probably already knew about Eternity, maybe from its past interactions with other Gods, but never had any means to open the gateway until it saw Thor arrive with Stormbreaker on the Bifrost in New Asgard.
You should check out the original source material comic books for the Infinity Gauntlet.
The comic book answer is that it depends on which iteration of Thanos it is. Thanos-616 was specifically trying to court death (court as in, he loved her) so he saw killing half of all living beings this way was closer to what death would want from him. Not just wiping them with Eternity. Later versions were looking for the power cosmic and needed to kill literally everyone to get to it.
Eternity is also in the 2019 edition of the Marvel Encyclopedia so It's not just a character created for the movie based off another character from the comics. I'm at work while watching this video, so I can't say any more information but I did look up the character after seeing the movie.
Because an Infinity Gauntlet along with the stones creates a much more marketable product than simply standing before a giant black figure making a wish. Heck, even Sheron requires the 7 Dragon Balls which means more merchandise to be created for sale 😂
Here’s the only issue with Thanos not knowing about Eternity. Remember Thanos is the one who gave Loki the mind stone so he had the mind stone at some point (even the line in infinity war from Thanos “you’re not the only one cursed with knowledge hints that Thanos used it). So since Thanos had the mind stone before giving it to Loki he could’ve known about Eternity from the stone. My guess is the reason why Thanos or none of the gods or people who knew about Eternity never sought it out is because making a wish comes with a price, one that we’re simply not aware of yet, so my guess is that there’s some cosmic level consequences coming for making a wish from Eternity, and that’s why Thanos, the gods or no one else sought out Eternity, because the cosmic level consequences weren’t worth the wish, no matter how great
Youre just baselessly conjecturing though. Let's stick to what we know for sure.
Using the gautled ALSO came with cosmic level consequences.
We know death soul, eternity space, and chiton reality have been released from their prisons.
That Just leaves galactus or infinity power, Eon time, and entropy mind. That will be so cool
"and because he loves geology . . . and bedazzling" XD I lost it on that one!
The more pressing question would be, why didn't Thor or the Asgardians try to get to Eternity to undo the snap? XP
Singularity!! I freaking love her- A-Force, WOOO!
I believed Asgard having the key is them being some sort of ancient rights given to them like a guard race or janitor.
7:05 Natasha is a special case, she is bound to the soul stone since she was used for the sacrifice. I think the gauntlet could have restored life to another person who died incidentally in infinity war (the collector for example).
I gotta admit, it's been years since I've watched one of these guys videos
It makes more sense that Banner couldn't bring Natasha back because the stones seem to act in a similar way to making a wish, performing one narrowly defined action at a time. Thanos knew he wanted to be on his retirement planet when he performed The Snap, but we see he teleports away as a separate action to it instead of straight up reordering the universe to his desired outcome in one go. He had to use the stones multiple times to perform multiple tasks.
The same might have happened for Banner: he might have wanted everyone he missed to be alive, but the stones wouldn't revive Natasha because doing so would have been a separate effect from undoing The Snap. He might have been able to revive her as a second action, but he never got the chance to after burning out from using the stones once.
Not only did Thanos not know about Eternity, but the key to Eternity was the bifrost, which gets destroyed in the first Thor movie. Also Stormbreaker wasn't even created until infinity war, so there was no bifrost. The bifrost was rebuilt but then was destroyed again along with the rest of Asgard.
6:35 That's assuming the gauntlet's power is divided equally amongst all the stones. It's possible Eternity's stone isn't as strong as Death's (for example)
I think the better question is why didn’t Thor use Eternity to defeat Thanos or whatever? He knew about it, knew it’s location and had the fricken key.
Great explanation and video!
Maybe only Gods (big G ones) know about the Well of Eternity, you can hear the Necrosword whispering the info to Gorr from the moment he walks into that oasis, even telling him he needs the Bifrost. It might also only grant wishes to mortals that make it there.
Also, Love might not have been revived, technically, Korg says the child born of Eternity. So maybe she's been born again, rather than having her death undone.
Yes and her reflection was that of singularity a piece of the universe that gained consciousness
I’ll some this 14mins up with Thanos didnt want that Odin smoke 💨
Slight rebuttal to saying Eternity is as powerful as the infinity stones because he helped make them:
Humans have created things like cars and cranes and planes but humans can not run really fast or lift very heavy things or fly. Just because a person can make something powerful does not mean that they are innately as powerful as a result. Therefore just because Eternity helped make the infinity stones, it does not necessarily mean that he has those abilities or even anything equivalent. He still might, but that fact alone does not prove anything one way or the other.
Except your saying my heart is more powerful then me?
You are saying something that is a part of someone is more powerful then the person who it is a part of?
Also…A soul for a soul makes no sense. Return the soul stone back and get the soul that was given for the stone. BOOM problem solved
No an everlasting exchange meaning no take backs or refunds. You can donate it back to the well but can’t refund it for your lost love one
I’ve got a video idea Ben. In your HarrMione video you mentioned that you think Ron and Luna should have got together but never elaborated. I’d be really interested in a video explaining why you ship them, it’s quite an interesting ship, not one I’ve heard anywhere else.
Definitely agree on Thanos not knowing eternity existed. However I would disagree that eternity is more powerful than the stones. Maybe if he had created them by himself sure but he didn't it took 4 of them to makes the stones so to me that means 6 stones roughly equals the 4 of them so eternity by himself would maybe only be as powerful as one or two stones. Also the stones absolutely can bring people back to life they just couldn't bring back Natasha because she wasn't just dead but she was essentially absorbed into the soul stone.
Eternity is the universe
You are saying a single drop of my blood a part of me is more powerful then me as a whole with said drop of blood.
That is the equivalent to eternity and the stone witch are like a single drop of blood for him and are a part of him
Theory: The reason why it's "the first person who gets to me gets a wish granted" is was just a way to tempt a person to wake him back up and have him back to the minds of everyone so he could do what he wants.
I donno if this was actually the case, I need to see the movie to solidify the theory and I don't want people to actually tell me lol. But it's a very interesting concept that they actually put in an Wishing Entity as I'm also experimenting with a similar concept. (The Hag of Wishes) but she has *very* different rules (and my campaign group decided to actually make a church dedicated to her through her wishing wells as I was judging their game. It was amazing but unexpected.)
Maybe he wasn't able to get there, and by the time he got the Space stone, he figured, "Oh, well, screw it. I've already got two stones, I might as well get the rest. I'd prefer to have a challenge than easily get what I want."
The real question is: Why didn't Thor seek out Eternity after they killed Thanos? He knew about it, and had access to it, and would have used it for such a wish as to restore the life taken by the stones.
Because Eternity grants one wish. Only. Forever. Thanos still has the stones, so if they just wished all life back, Thanos could just snap half of it away all over again and they'd still need to find some other way to restore life again after the second Snap. Which Thanos could decide to focus on removing them as well.
@@tyrannicpuppy They had 5 years of Thanos being dead and the stones being destroyed. And bringing back half of the life of the universe seems like a good use of an Eternity wish.
Thor thought Eternity was a myth. It wasn't until Gorr came along that he learned it was true.
@@12classics39Still, don’t you think Thor would be desperate to get everyone back and fix his mistake? Even if it means going on a wild goose chase?
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If you sacrifice your life for the soul stone you can't be brought back.
I was turbo interested in this video! Y’all always make my day awesome!!!! That being said…. The fact that a scene from Harry Potter with Shackelbolt was my favourite part! Bring back Harry potter(?)! :)
Thanos not having a way to access the Bifrost isn't that big a hurdle, since he could just force the dwarves to make him one.
The axe had to be in that world and pointing at that wall to reach eternity. Seems like you need to be at that location for it to work. Therefore you only do it with stormbreaker
If tou got Natasha back you would lose the Soul stone meaning you couldn't make the snap that brought her back, it's the Infinity Paradox
Not only would he not likely know the existence of the wish but even if he did, there is no way he could have ever found out about the key.
As far as what is shown, basically no one knew that the bifrost was the key. The only known entity shown to know that the bifrost was the key was the NecroSword. Even Zues only wanted to keep Thor there because he knew how to get to Omnipotence City.
Wow Thor Love and Thunder was a good movie. I still love the first Thor better. Christian Bale as Gorr the god butcher really really remind me of Joker. I want to see Christian Bale play Joker. Gorr was to funny for me. Every time we see Thor he get more powerful. It's crazy that Thor is the reason Jane could left Mjolnor and he gift the Asgard kids some of he's power. So happy to see Erik Selvig Darcy Lewis and Heimdall. I really thought Lady Sif was going to die. I was so shocked that Gorr didn't kill Zeus and the Zeus might die my the hands of Thor. Super excited to see Thor vs Hercules. I think Valkyrie will give up being King of New Asgard and Thor will be King of New Asgard. I was go to be very sad if Korg die. I think we are going to see more of Jane Foster. She going to come back to live or a Multiverse version of Jane Foster. Love the Guns and Roses song in the movie. Still waiting for Thunderstruck by AC/DC. So funny see Thor treat Mjolnor and Stormbreaker like a dog. Thor needs to go back to stormbreaker. The goat's are so annoying. I think these characters could the next villain for Thor 5 Cul Borson, Enchantress, Jormungand, Ulik, Seth, Ares,Grey Gargoyle. I want Ares to be the villain for Thor 5. Loki was still the best villain Thor has fought. Gorr was like Ultron. They both supposed to be scary but they were funny than scary. I really want to see more Natalie Portman as Lady Thor. I didn't believe I would like Natalie Portman as Lady Thor. I love her as Lady Thor. I think Beta Bill Ray is died
I'm pretty sure that bringing Natasha back to life isn't so much the stones not being able to bring back the dead but rather the fact that Natasha becomes the soul stone thus almost ceasing to exist in said universe, and we did see Gomora coming back to life in part as a result of Natasha replacing her as the soul stone.
Could the space stone which is used to fix the bifrost bring you to eternity??
Yes the center of the universe was inside the space stone
When Ben said pocket dimension I thought of the “cat” from Captain Marvel?
I have a theory for you: Did the six infinity stones that were reduced to atoms mix with Wanda’s particles when she was brought back from the blip?
Prior to Endgame, Wanda’s only power seems to revolve around minds and telekinesis because she is being powered by the mind stone but after she returns she suddenly starts to display all sorts of new abilities which seems to closer align with the other infinity stones like reality bending, increased power, being able to create life, reversing time, etc.
I know she is the Scarlet Witch and that is the explanation for her powers but Wandavision also showed the infinity stones has a weird interest in her. So maybe they fused themselves with her in order to still have agency in the world and that is actually what makes her so powerful.
Here is my question, Was Haimdall the guardian of the Bifrost, and the guard of Eternity? Follow me, before Asgard was destroyed Haimdall needed his sword to operate the Bifrost as a Key, and his other power of seeing all he would know the motive for using the Bifrost and would grant permission. Now that it was destroyed and Thor just willy nelly makes Stormbraker with the ability to access the Bifrost without an overseer or key to make sure it was not to be used to access Eternity.
I was literally asking myself this same thing when I left the theater!
Oh dang Cap the god of America has entered the ring welding both a mythical hammer and a vibranium shield
Before I even watch this is my theory.. when Thanos D-Day began, Storm Breaker wasn’t made yet and Asgard was destroyed. So, Thanos didn’t have a way to access the “key”. Thanos DID need the gauntlet.
Thanos could have easily asked for Stormbreaker & the Gauntlet and an ice cream.. but Thanos was just a mad titan and he wasn't bright.
@@LucasAndrei I don’t believe he knew it was even an option (as the gauntlet was being made). He didn’t even encounter Storm Breaker until he already had all 6 stones. If he knew about Storm Breaker when getting the gauntlet, he would’ve just asked for that instead because it would’ve been way more efficient and he wouldn’t have had to fight anyone but the dwarves to get it and then he could’ve gone to eternity with no resistance and snapped half the universe and no one would’ve even known he was behind it.
Better question to answer, "Why didn't the gods go to eternity to use their power to bring everyone back?"
No one asked?
Hey Editor - the music on the J V B intro portion was so loud I had to hit the mute button. at 2:44 ish
Love could be Singularity, but she could also be Mistress Love (or just Love) who, in the comics, is the living embodiment of love (there's a lot of those for abstract concepts in the comics) and is one of the beings that are basically just below Eternity and Infinity in the hierarchy of power. She could also just have some kind of power/s given by Eternity for some unknown purpose.
Also, Moon Knight has already established that the afterlife that one goes to changes depending on what they believe it to be, which would be why Jane ends up there after death and why they kept mentioning Valhalla-in order for her to believe that she would be going there. I also saw somewhere that Jane going to Valhalla could have a deeper meaning which is her dying while in the battle against cancer. So yeah, there's still the possibility of Jane, Heimdall, and the other Asgardians coming back but I wouldn't expect anything to happen to them after death unless it's explicitly alluded to.
No Ben, you're forgetting the fact that every time you snap with the gauntlet it really screws up your body. It killed Tony, and destroyed both Thanos's and Bruce's arms. But there's also the possibility of using the stones to heal yourself maybe.
Thanos: *Looks from his mangled arm to the reality stone.* Now, reality can be whatever I want.
@@jeromevaleska2014 and then at his other arm
always remember, there was probably at least 1 planat that was completely destroyed by thanos, and 1 that didnt notice the snap at all.
Ryan George said the same thing in his pitch meeting, but I'll see you you guys got to say too.
The rumor was reaching eternity leads to a wish/desire being granted. BUT Eternity in the comics is seen as the counterbalance to Death (Chaos to Order, Love to Hate etc.). If the comics inform this in any way, I don't see Eternity granting a wish that would seemingly cut his power/essence in half. He may consider the wish of someone who finds him, but will it be granted? Is Eternity wise enough to technically grant reckless wishes in a manner that won't harm Eternity or the universe? Maybe Thanos's wish would be granted in a way that a super high number of quickly reproducing single-celled organisms dies and quickly repopulates leaving Thanos feeling like a fool as technically 1/2 of the living organisms of the universe died but within an hour everything is pretty much as it was before the wish was made.
The number of deities in the MCU is quite a bit lower than 1/2 of all life in the universe, but we still do not know if Eternity would have granted that wish. We only know that Eternity granted the wish of Gorr's daughter to return to life (as Gorr himself dies keeping some sort of balance with Eternity and Death as Gorr with the Necrosword would not be dying). I don't think Eternity would simply act in a manner that would knock the cosmos out of whack even if Eternity had little to say in that scene.
Valhalla operates based on religious beliefs. As was stated in Moon Knight, there are multiple versions of the afterlife based on which beliefs a person holds. Wakandans go to the Ancestorial Plain, Egyptians go to The Field of Reeds, Asgardians/Nordics go to Valhalla.