I do like this size and it being like a smaller Canterbury. Like it is. 9.5 is readable font..esp in Nelson comfort print. The brown leather like by Nelson is soft and beautiful in brown. And red accents in text makes it easier to read and find things. AND is pretty..about the colour if the brown ..a nice touch. We are well blessed to HAVE so many nice bibles these days. And someone to help explain them to us.
Good choices for the comparisons! I’m especially glad you compared the Sovereign to the Canterbury since they are very similar layouts. _It’s almost as if one is a copy of the other..._
With references at bottom the 9.5 font in comfort print is very readable and nice. The red accents esp in verses and footnotes..references.. helps to find things also concordance has headings and is big enough to read.
At 9.5 FONT the brown bible leathersoft is really legible w the dark and Comfort PRINT. Psalms in single column is great. The red hi lites and verse #s seem to make it read bigger and easy. The entire layout is very appealing. To me. This format in THIS size is part of my leaning to smaller but legible print BIBLES. 36 GSM feels good to me also. And bible itself is very holdable . CONCORD comparison is mouthwatering. I like BOTH for size AND readability.
While I don’t even see the point of even replying, I will say this. No one...not one person is hindered from receiving the word of God as a result of cost. You can get them free at will. Most publishers have Bibles available for just a few dollars and several organizations will send you one at no cost to yourself. So what if a person of means wants to pay a little extra for a nice copy. The only thing that hinders people from getting the Bible is language and government control. Just enjoy the freedom we have in America. The end.
I believe you commented on this on a different video, but I just upgraded so to speak to the Maclaren series NKJV which is like the preaching edition. It's fantastic, but I did just order the genuine leather edition of the sovereign kjv. Thanks for the review.
I like the look of this much better than the Canterbury due to the heavier font. Do you find that the Thomas Nelson edge line tabs break in well? I have a Cambridge Concord in goatskin and the edge line tab is now no longer a problem, it has broken in very nicely and lies very flat.
Very nice. I am looking to buy a genuine leather bible. I can't decide between a Humble lamb and Thomas Nelson Premium bible and I like verse by verse.
You mean the Thomas Nelson premier collection? I looked at that but it seemed a tad too large, I really like their personal size so I got a couple of those in genuine leather.
I do hope that TN is considering a larger version of this personal size Bible. I'd love to see this Bible fill the standard dimensions of study Bibles - 9.5" x 6.5" x 2.0." If they could squeeze 11 to 12 point type in, I'd vote for that with my dollars.
Still love the preaching bible. Esp when I got the Quentel..and preaching bible was just the same .. In layout with bigger font. . And I am not afraid to use it.
I like this layout better than my Canterbury because it has the glossary and translation in the footer. But the Canterbury seems to be much better constructed with superior materials and a larger font.
Great review. They do look awesome. I was a bit surprised that you liked the paste down better than the edged lined to be honest, but I see why. The only thing that's left off this bible in my opinion is the translator to the reader. I don't feel that KJVs should be made without them. When you see an ESV, NASB or most other Bibles they have their prefaces outlining their choices and explanations and that's what the translator to the reader in the KJV does. It's just sad that it's not printed in Bibles anymore. Another thing is, I also wish they'd separate the cross references from the footnotes like Schuyler and Crossway does. Maybe put the footnote at the end of one column and the references down at the bottom or vice versa. That makes it easier if you just want to look at the notes or the glossary, as opposed to the references. It looks cluttered to me with all of them together. I'm hoping one day Thomas Nelson will "borrow" the layout of the NKJV and make a KJV with that same layout, both in their paragraphs and verse by verse setting, cause I believe that the NKJV has the best layout among Bibles. All in all, great bibles and thanks for the detailed review. Really appreciate it.
Excellent review! I’m looking to buy an easy to read bible, large print, red edition, absolutely no ghosting ! It is hard to see in the video wether there is or not any ghosting. Can you please guide me in the right direction? Thank you
I noticed the original Nelson preaching bible was hard to get in KJV. Of course when Amazon says only one left it means 24 more available AFTER you buy the last ONE. So I discovered NKJV was also in preaching bible. Then I discovered McLaren was really the preaching bible but in lower font. 11.5 to 10.5 FONT. Then I was told they were really all the same size FONT. Confused ..I bot an ESV personal size in 12 point FONT. And an ESV wide margin in 11 FONT. THIS AFTER buying a Schuyler ESV in green goatskin plus the baby green PSQ. I am thinking about buying a 99 cent FONT finder.
Very helpful, thank you so much! May I ask- reviews on Amazon mention the binding coming apart. This a very lovely Bible, have you heard of anything like that? Thank you!🌷
Do you have any recommendation for a KJV Bible that is under $50 that is personal size (maybe comfort print?) single column but has a not large margin on the side so I can some key notes in? Everything seems to be double column with no margin. By the way, I have a journal the word Bible but it is a very chunky Bible and I want a smaller one for when I give Bible studies (that enables me to write my own reference verses in)
The only single column personal size that comes to mind is the Holman, but I haven't seen it myself, so I don't know if it has the margin space you want : www.christianbook.com/kjv-column-personal-size-bible-leather/9781087722160/pd/7722160?event=ESRCG
The Holman regular size is excellent and has a wide outer margin. It's not personal size, but it's not overlay large either: www.christianbook.com/kjv-single-column-margin-leather-brown/9781087767628/pd/767628?event=ESRCG
Thomas Nelson has one coming in November, but I don't know if it will have margin space: www.christianbook.com/kjv-size-single-reference-collection-goatskin/9780785295143/pd/295144?event=ESRCG
The reason I prefer calfskin over goatskin in general is that they lay flat out of box. E.g. CONCORD in calfsplit would lay flat while goatskin would need breaking in. And at half the price.
This is my favourite bible. But I would like to know, does anyone else here have an issue with the glue whers the ribbons are at the top of the spine of the book coming apart from the pages? This biblenis a good build, but I think the glue they used isn't strong enough, I bought 2 and both have the pages breaking from the spine. I will try book binding glue, or if it falls apart I'll get a rebind, because the text is just to nice to let go of.
Just published a review of the genuine leather today... I linked this video on my description box :) Those leathersoft editions look awesome at such a great price!!
@@BibleBuyingGuide Oh, Wow! Thank you so much 🙏🏽 That's so nice of you, Randy! I greatly admire your reviews and they are a source of inspiration. I always learn something new watching your videos 👍
I’m glad you compared it to the Schuyler Canterbury. I was in a Bible group with the owners of EVB/Schuyler and they seemed to be pretty upset that the people at Thomas Nelson essentially copied their design. Many other people in the group seemed to think the same thing, and honestly, I have to agree. The owners of Schuyler seemed to imply that Nelson didn’t reach out to them to get permission to use this design. I’m not an expert on this subject by any means, but I have to wonder if the Thomas Nelson Sovereign is essentially just a copy of the Schuyler Canterbury, and if so could there be some type of copyright infringement legality here? It’s a cool Bible, but at the same time it’s a huge turn off knowing it’s a knockoff design. I expect more from Thomas Nelson. Maybe at the very least they should have reached out to Schuyler and asked permission or gave credit where credit is due. Then again, maybe Bible designs don’t really fall under intellectual property. I’m not sure, but common sense says yes. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.
Good question. I don't really know the answer. I do know that all of these design elements have been used before- just not together in one edition (that I'm aware of).
Bible page design/typesetting is murky waters. I’m not an expert in copyright law, but I would lean against layouts being copyrightable in general, just based on what I see in the market. What about readers editions? Center column editions? Thinlines? Layouts are taken by everyone already. While the Canterbury is novel, it is still a layout at the end of the day. That being said, Schuyler may have a case, since a): the Canterbury is but a few years old, not 25 or 50. b): it is a novel design overall without a historical equivalent I’m aware of c): the Thomas Nelson design is almost identical to the Schuyler design, and clearly takes inspiration from it But there are differences that will be used against Schuyler to show Thomas Nelson didn’t violate copyright. 1): Proverbs is single column 2): Concordance uses different drop caps 3): Different font used 4): Book introductions 5): Thomas Nelson’s more extensive use of red highlights So I don’t think Schuyler would get very far. The Sovereign Collection is clearly separate from the Canterbury. One can distinguish between the two layouts at a glance.
As an addendum to my other comment (edited, I thought about this more), The actions by Thomas Nelson seem inconsiderate, if indeed they just produced this without communicating with Evangelical Bible about it. What if those at Evangelical Bible wanted to make a drastic change to their business model, and produce lower price-point Canterbury editions? I'm not saying they would or wanted to, it actually seems like the opposite is true. But not asking first strikes me as being inconsiderate to Thomas Nelson's brothers at Evangelical Bible. It's important to be giving and graceful, including in the realm of business. Personally, I do not like what Thomas Nelson did. They delivered an inferior product while taking the combination of elements that makes the Canterbury’s design unique. By "inferior", I mean that the Sovereign collection doesn't seem like it will be scalable like the Canterbury is. I think this shorts those who love the Sovereign collection layout, since they won't get, say, a wide margin edition of it, or a portable size. (It does not seem like this design is copyrightable, but, in the rare event it is, EVB is at a disadvantage legally. Thomas Nelson is huge, being owned by HarperCollins, and has more money to spend on lawyers without crowdfunding.) The Sovereign _could_ hurt Schuyler financially, which, if I had to guess, is one reason why EVB is upset. The “wow factor” of the Canterbury has been undercut by Thomas Nelson in most people’s eyes. They may also be upset because they had a unique design that they put in more effort to produce, only for it to be basically copied by another company. The fact that Thomas Nelson is big only hurts more, as you feel like you’re being crushed by an elephant. I'm not saying these are valid reasons to be upset. To me though, Schuyler is a model publisher. Their typesetting model is great. They make a few fantastic layouts, then scale them up or down for different use cases. They avoid decision paralysis by doing this, and the scalability makes each edition better. Meanwhile Thomas Nelson adopts the policy of a new layout for each Bible, which I think is bad for the customer overall. The only reason I don’t have a Schuyler is because I’m not partial to their layouts.
Different font. Different drop caps. different concordance. Different maps. Different footprint. Standard TN footnotes, references and language helps. Standard TN chapter intros. Almost identical to a previous TN product, the gusnt print personal reference. So, yes, obviously a poor man's Canterbury, but no ground for a legal case in my opinion.
Yeah I don't think they have any leg to stand on legally. I get why they could be upset, but really, come on. They have carved out a niche for themselves where they sell premium Bibles for $200. That's all they do. This Bible has a different font, all of Thomas Nelson's USP features, it does not have art gilt, It has their own font. It has their own reference system. So if the only similarities are drop cap first letter, and references in the footer, so what? People who want premium options will still go to EVB to get it. This isn't stealing any customers away from them. Nor is it really copying their design.
I kinda wish Nelson would do this in other VERSIONS. But seems like NKJV is well represented elsewhere. And OTHERS ARE still revising themselves. E.g. NASB CSB Which makes NKJV AND ESV my favourites for today. Plus NKJV and ESV available in TOPAZ and other great and readable BIBLES in LARGE FONT and/ or. ..bold and dark PRINT.
I have the gold/tan/chestnut and I bought new ribbon to add an black one or replace them and I have barely even opened it and I moved about 3hours from the store I bought it from …long story short this is the Bible I had in the army My grandmother bought me she recently passed away and I cannot find it so I’m interested in getting this Bible in the black with anybody be interested in trading I have it written in it or barely opened it just curious recently saved and born again I’m from South Carolina by the way God bless anyone who reads this !!take care
Excellent question. I'm more drawn to the Maclaren. The Sovereign is thicker and since it's short the overall feel is a bit chunky. The Maclaren is more balanced. Mostly, though, I'm drawn to the larger font of the Maclaren and I like that it has more references.
Im a new saved Christian and im learning. Is this Thomas Nelson Sovereign Bible a pure cambridge text KJV. I have a few KJV bibles and have noticed that there are a few word and spelling differences in them example cambridge cameo and a zondervan KJV are slightly different
@@BibleBuyingGuide Thank you, i still went ahead and purchased this bible sometimes i believe if we think to much into it we are just making big issues over nothing. Thanks for your help
@@BibleBuyingGuide i know your busy, but if you haven't yet and want to do a neat bible review try the Humble Lamb company they have many different versions and looks. I think you would like them
@@BibleBuyingGuide also trinitarian bible society check out the Westminister reference bible its kind of like a Thompson chain. The review would be more so of the quality bible your getting for a reasonable price. God bless ya brother
That looks like a beautiful Bible? I prefer the ESV translation myself but that's my personal preference? Praise and glory to God. God Bless. Jesus Christ, is the name of God. He lives. Praise and Bless God's holy name.
I just can't make myself spend the money on the Schuyler. I purchased one, which I gave to my husband's youngest granddaughter, because she was getting interested in the Bible (finally!), and had been reading a paperback ESV. Since Schuyler made the ESV in her favorite color, I splurged and bought her one. I looked it over before gifting it to her, and realized that I would never be buying one for myself. I won't go into all of the details, but topping the list was of course the high price. I like the look of this new release by Nelson, but still have a few knocks against it. I need a large print, for starters. And I also prefer center column references and a decent concordance. I don't mind the fact that it is kind of a rip off of Schuyler's design since it gives them some competition. I just hope they will make a few changes in the future and revert back to the center column references while maintaining the beauty of the drop caps and the nice choice of color for the red letter editions. Thank you for your very thorough review.
This bible will keep me going until after PS Canterbury is reprinted. It is good size between PS Canterbury and reg size Canterbury. A goldilocks bible all around.
In comfort print I would go to the dark 9.5 in SOVEREIGN. To 9 POINT FONT in CONCORD. To 8 FONT in CONCORD wide margin. To 8 in CAMEO. JUST BECAUSE Cambridge KJV bibles read bigger. E.g. 10 point in LARGE PRINT looks like 12 font in bold and dark design. Plus CAMBRIDGE printing BIBLES from 1591 deserve some consideration. For availability and range of choice..e.g. Calfsplit or calfskin...vs. Goatskin ONLY which is what Schuyler DOES and Nelson to a degree. In PREMIER collection. But their 50 % discount to Schuyler means I can learn to love and even like THEIR goatskin. Some is very thick and nice. I think they understand their audience better.
@@BibleBuyingGuide yeah it's fine. My mistake! It's not like my phone and other everyday items aren't made there! Plus I'm sure it's helping someone put food on the table and provide. We have many brothers and sisters there fighting the good fight. You never know the printing facility may be what leads someone there to Christ. All I can do is keep praying for our brothers and sisters who are in country's that persecute christians. Thank you for the review I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and happy new year!
They do look similar, but they are different typesetting and the pagination doesn't match. They use different fonts (Milo vs KJV Comfort Print) and the Sovereign adds footnotes, book introductions, different cross-references, and single-column Proverbs. The drop-cap is a different font, different size, and is offset differently. The cross-references in the Sovereign don't taper to the bottom of the page like the Canterbury.
NEW Thomas Nelson's advertising of there new lines of premium Bibles: "Words of Christ in black for a reading experience that is easy on your eyes throughout Scripture. The black text, improving readability". AT LAST... They said that! Remember brethrens: Red Letter - AGAINST Word of God...
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I do like this size and it being like a smaller Canterbury. Like it is.
9.5 is readable font..esp in Nelson comfort print.
The brown leather like by Nelson is soft and beautiful in brown. And red accents in text makes it easier to read and find things. AND is pretty..about the colour if the brown ..a nice touch.
We are well blessed to HAVE so many nice bibles these days. And someone to help explain them to us.
This is now my favourite BIBLE review channel. Didn't know there were so many.
Good choices for the comparisons! I’m especially glad you compared the Sovereign to the Canterbury since they are very similar layouts.
_It’s almost as if one is a copy of the other..._
With references at bottom the 9.5 font in comfort print is very readable and nice. The red accents esp in verses and footnotes..references..
helps to find things also concordance has headings and is big enough to read.
At 9.5 FONT the brown bible leathersoft is really legible w the dark and Comfort PRINT. Psalms in single column is great. The red hi lites and verse #s seem to make it read bigger and easy. The entire layout is very appealing. To me.
This format in THIS size is part of my leaning to smaller but legible print BIBLES.
36 GSM feels good to me also. And bible itself is very holdable .
CONCORD comparison is mouthwatering. I like BOTH for size AND readability.
Thank you so much for the info! Have you heard of any issues with the binding? Thank you kindly!🌷
I found a stray string on the lining of stitching. But just clipped it with baby scissors. Was really pleased with my surgery.
I really like the single-column layout of the Psalms in the sovereign collection
Nelson uses space well. Esp w added colour. Nelson first made me Think that smaller w good PRINT and added colour in text IS my favourite.
TBS is very quick with expedited shipping.
They are in London but ship from Michigan. And very nice.
Randy the king of comparisons! You are the best of the best brother!
Thank you!!! You're awesome!
@꧁꧂lllxIIIxIII꧁꧂ who profits from them?
While I don’t even see the point of even replying, I will say this. No one...not one person is hindered from receiving the word of God as a result of cost. You can get them free at will. Most publishers have Bibles available for just a few dollars and several organizations will send you one at no cost to yourself. So what if a person of means wants to pay a little extra for a nice copy. The only thing that hinders people from getting the Bible is language and government control. Just enjoy the freedom we have in America. The end.
Prices start at $25.99 on Christianbook.
I just opened mine (genuine leather), and it is beautiful!
When you put references at bottom. ..There is more white space up top.. so 9.5 point is easy to read.
The Bible that I remember with a similar text block was the signature series in calfskin hand size large print - I bought it years ago for under 30$ .
I like to view these reviews AFTER I get BIBLE. ALSO. Shows I made a good decision.
I got the brown one today. Like it and the format. Easy to read.
I believe you commented on this on a different video, but I just upgraded so to speak to the Maclaren series NKJV which is like the preaching edition. It's fantastic, but I did just order the genuine leather edition of the sovereign kjv. Thanks for the review.
Thanks so much Randy. Great review
Thank you!!
The 11 point font. In premier by Nelson..does NOT look as big AS Schuyler 11 point. Maybe a 10 or 10.5 ?
I like the look of this much better than the Canterbury due to the heavier font. Do you find that the Thomas Nelson edge line tabs break in well? I have a Cambridge Concord in goatskin and the edge line tab is now no longer a problem, it has broken in very nicely and lies very flat.
It does get better with time.
I really like the layout AND size of these bibles.
Red hi-- lites and drop caps make THIS a great bible. A small Canterbury.
After watching this video I purchased the brown leathersoft edition. It is a work of art.
Me too.
Very nice. I am looking to buy a genuine leather bible. I can't decide between a Humble lamb and Thomas Nelson Premium bible and I like verse by verse.
You mean the Thomas Nelson premier collection? I looked at that but it seemed a tad too large, I really like their personal size so I got a couple of those in genuine leather.
I do hope that TN is considering a larger version of this personal size Bible. I'd love to see this Bible fill the standard dimensions of study Bibles - 9.5" x 6.5" x 2.0." If they could squeeze 11 to 12 point type in, I'd vote for that with my dollars.
That would be an awesome Bible. They are reading the comments, so you never know. :-)
Concord is same size and FONT size.
Still love the preaching bible. Esp when I got the Quentel..and preaching bible was just the same .. In layout with bigger font.
. And I am not afraid to use it.
Schuyler FONT looks bigger than some 11 point fonts. Maybe they are NOT counting the leading.
Another great review! I think I will buy one.
Thanks!
Would you review Bible Study plans or make some recommendations for me? Thanks!
I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestion!
I like this layout better than my Canterbury because it has the glossary and translation in the footer. But the Canterbury seems to be much better constructed with superior materials and a larger font.
Nelson leather seems different. A pleasant surprise next time.
Nelson will sell 50 of SOVEREIGN..on Amazon to where Schuyler will sell ONE on ev..bible. Do the math.
Does anyone know if the Sovereign Collection will be released in larger sizes? Thanks for the video.
I don't think they have plans for a large print. I'll confirm that to make sure.
Hi Randy! Thanks for the review, I'm really enjoying my brown Sovereign. Will you be reviewing the wide-margin?
Hi! Yes, I will be reviewing the wide margin.
@@BibleBuyingGuide Awesome! Thanks for the hard work you put in, it's a real blessing.
@@Mehcool thank you!!
Great review. They do look awesome. I was a bit surprised that you liked the paste down better than the edged lined to be honest, but I see why. The only thing that's left off this bible in my opinion is the translator to the reader. I don't feel that KJVs should be made without them. When you see an ESV, NASB or most other Bibles they have their prefaces outlining their choices and explanations and that's what the translator to the reader in the KJV does. It's just sad that it's not printed in Bibles anymore. Another thing is, I also wish they'd separate the cross references from the footnotes like Schuyler and Crossway does. Maybe put the footnote at the end of one column and the references down at the bottom or vice versa. That makes it easier if you just want to look at the notes or the glossary, as opposed to the references. It looks cluttered to me with all of them together. I'm hoping one day Thomas Nelson will "borrow" the layout of the NKJV and make a KJV with that same layout, both in their paragraphs and verse by verse setting, cause I believe that the NKJV has the best layout among Bibles. All in all, great bibles and thanks for the detailed review. Really appreciate it.
Thanks! I agree 100%. I've been asking for a KJV in the NKJV layout for many years. Maybe one day.
Excellent review!
I’m looking to buy an easy to read bible, large print, red edition, absolutely no ghosting ! It is hard to see in the video wether there is or not any ghosting. Can you please guide me in the right direction? Thank you
The concordance looks readable unlike the Quentel.
The sovereign is a good step up between PSQ or psCant and RSQ or regCant at 9.5 FONT.
Perhaps I missed it, but did you say that the leathertouch version has the same paper as the genuine leather?
Hi Leah. They do have the same paper.
@@BibleBuyingGuide thank you 😊
I noticed the original Nelson preaching bible was hard to get in KJV. Of course when Amazon says only one left it means 24 more available AFTER you buy the last ONE. So I discovered NKJV was also in preaching bible. Then I discovered McLaren was really the preaching bible but in lower font. 11.5 to 10.5 FONT. Then I was told they were really all the same size FONT. Confused ..I bot an ESV personal size in 12 point FONT. And an ESV wide margin in 11 FONT. THIS AFTER buying a Schuyler ESV in green goatskin plus the baby green PSQ. I am thinking about buying a 99 cent FONT finder.
I just realised that SOVEREIGN has bigger font than CONCORD. 9.5 to 9.
Very helpful, thank you so much! May I ask- reviews on Amazon mention the binding coming apart. This a very lovely Bible, have you heard of anything like that? Thank you!🌷
The TOPAZ has red verse #s.
Something Schuyler has yet to do.
Thomas Nelson also does THIS in their Premier.
Collection BIBLES.
The PREACHING BIBLE is an exact replica of Quentel. But with thicker paper. ?
Do you have any recommendation for a KJV Bible that is under $50 that is personal size (maybe comfort print?) single column but has a not large margin on the side so I can some key notes in? Everything seems to be double column with no margin. By the way, I have a journal the word Bible but it is a very chunky Bible and I want a smaller one for when I give Bible studies (that enables me to write my own reference verses in)
The only single column personal size that comes to mind is the Holman, but I haven't seen it myself, so I don't know if it has the margin space you want : www.christianbook.com/kjv-column-personal-size-bible-leather/9781087722160/pd/7722160?event=ESRCG
The Holman regular size is excellent and has a wide outer margin. It's not personal size, but it's not overlay large either: www.christianbook.com/kjv-single-column-margin-leather-brown/9781087767628/pd/767628?event=ESRCG
Thomas Nelson has one coming in November, but I don't know if it will have margin space: www.christianbook.com/kjv-size-single-reference-collection-goatskin/9780785295143/pd/295144?event=ESRCG
I love CONCORD..size and type. But I love BIBLES. And collect a lot. Sometimes end up giving them away.
Correction Schuyler, Fideus Dakes or Schofield
I like red in SOVEREIGN.
What is font of Canterbury if you know ? The 9.5 in SOVEREIGN is a bit small for me. THANKS.
The Canterbury is 11 point.
@@BibleBuyingGuide THANKS Randy. I have ordered a Canterbury after I found out it had 11 POINT font. Enjoy your channel muchly.
@@gleasonparker1684 thank you! I've been enjoying your comments very much.
I like layout for psalms etc.
Personal Canterbury in BLUE is my goal for 2022.
Absolutely love this Bible. Hard to beat for the price.
The reason I prefer calfskin over goatskin in general is that they lay flat out of box. E.g. CONCORD in calfsplit would lay flat while goatskin would need breaking in. And at half the price.
After Cambridge..Nelson is my favourite.
This is my favourite bible. But I would like to know, does anyone else here have an issue with the glue whers the ribbons are at the top of the spine of the book coming apart from the pages? This biblenis a good build, but I think the glue they used isn't strong enough, I bought 2 and both have the pages breaking from the spine. I will try book binding glue, or if it falls apart I'll get a rebind, because the text is just to nice to let go of.
Fortunately, mine hasn't had this issue. Thanks for mentioning it so we'll know to look for it.
The preaching bible says 11.5 font but does not look AS big as Schuyler 11 point. Should be some truth in BIBLES.
This Bible made me want to have a Schuyler Canterbury Bible so I got one and it is very nice. But bigger FONT.
I would love to see a link to one of your sermons! I'm sure it would be a blessing?
Thank you!! I don't have anything online, but I'll try to record and post them.
I like look of sovereign over Schuyler. Print wise.
Just published a review of the genuine leather today... I linked this video on my description box :) Those leathersoft editions look awesome at such a great price!!
Thanks! I'll post yours here in the comments.
@@BibleBuyingGuide Oh, Wow! Thank you so much 🙏🏽 That's so nice of you, Randy! I greatly admire your reviews and they are a source of inspiration. I always learn something new watching your videos 👍
@@crucified4me thank you!!
I like preaching bible and concord.
Got the purple leather soft and I absolutely love it.
9.5 font looks quite readable. W/ references at bottom.
I’m glad you compared it to the Schuyler Canterbury. I was in a Bible group with the owners of EVB/Schuyler and they seemed to be pretty upset that the people at Thomas Nelson essentially copied their design. Many other people in the group seemed to think the same thing, and honestly, I have to agree.
The owners of Schuyler seemed to imply that Nelson didn’t reach out to them to get permission to use this design. I’m not an expert on this subject by any means, but I have to wonder if the Thomas Nelson Sovereign
is essentially just a copy of the Schuyler Canterbury, and if so could there be some type of copyright infringement legality here?
It’s a cool Bible, but at the same time it’s a huge turn off knowing it’s a knockoff design. I expect more from Thomas Nelson. Maybe at the very least they should have reached out to Schuyler and asked permission or gave credit where credit is due.
Then again, maybe Bible designs don’t really fall under intellectual property. I’m not sure, but common sense says yes. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.
Good question. I don't really know the answer. I do know that all of these design elements have been used before- just not together in one edition (that I'm aware of).
Bible page design/typesetting is murky waters. I’m not an expert in copyright law, but I would lean against layouts being copyrightable in general, just based on what I see in the market. What about readers editions? Center column editions? Thinlines? Layouts are taken by everyone already. While the Canterbury is novel, it is still a layout at the end of the day.
That being said, Schuyler may have a case, since
a): the Canterbury is but a few years old, not 25 or 50.
b): it is a novel design overall without a historical equivalent I’m aware of
c): the Thomas Nelson design is almost identical to the Schuyler design, and clearly takes inspiration from it
But there are differences that will be used against Schuyler to show Thomas Nelson didn’t violate copyright.
1): Proverbs is single column
2): Concordance uses different drop caps
3): Different font used
4): Book introductions
5): Thomas Nelson’s more extensive use of red highlights
So I don’t think Schuyler would get very far. The Sovereign Collection is clearly separate from the Canterbury. One can distinguish between the two layouts at a glance.
As an addendum to my other comment (edited, I thought about this more),
The actions by Thomas Nelson seem inconsiderate, if indeed they just produced this without communicating with Evangelical Bible about it. What if those at Evangelical Bible wanted to make a drastic change to their business model, and produce lower price-point Canterbury editions? I'm not saying they would or wanted to, it actually seems like the opposite is true. But not asking first strikes me as being inconsiderate to Thomas Nelson's brothers at Evangelical Bible. It's important to be giving and graceful, including in the realm of business.
Personally, I do not like what Thomas Nelson did. They delivered an inferior product while taking the combination of elements that makes the Canterbury’s design unique. By "inferior", I mean that the Sovereign collection doesn't seem like it will be scalable like the Canterbury is. I think this shorts those who love the Sovereign collection layout, since they won't get, say, a wide margin edition of it, or a portable size.
(It does not seem like this design is copyrightable, but, in the rare event it is, EVB is at a disadvantage legally. Thomas Nelson is huge, being owned by HarperCollins, and has more money to spend on lawyers without crowdfunding.)
The Sovereign _could_ hurt Schuyler financially, which, if I had to guess, is one reason why EVB is upset. The “wow factor” of the Canterbury has been undercut by Thomas Nelson in most people’s eyes. They may also be upset because they had a unique design that they put in more effort to produce, only for it to be basically copied by another company. The fact that Thomas Nelson is big only hurts more, as you feel like you’re being crushed by an elephant. I'm not saying these are valid reasons to be upset.
To me though, Schuyler is a model publisher. Their typesetting model is great. They make a few fantastic layouts, then scale them up or down for different use cases. They avoid decision paralysis by doing this, and the scalability makes each edition better. Meanwhile Thomas Nelson adopts the policy of a new layout for each Bible, which I think is bad for the customer overall. The only reason I don’t have a Schuyler is because I’m not partial to their layouts.
Different font. Different drop caps. different concordance. Different maps. Different footprint. Standard TN footnotes, references and language helps. Standard TN chapter intros.
Almost identical to a previous TN product, the gusnt print personal reference. So, yes, obviously a poor man's Canterbury, but no ground for a legal case in my opinion.
Yeah I don't think they have any leg to stand on legally. I get why they could be upset, but really, come on. They have carved out a niche for themselves where they sell premium Bibles for $200. That's all they do. This Bible has a different font, all of Thomas Nelson's USP features, it does not have art gilt, It has their own font. It has their own reference system. So if the only similarities are drop cap first letter, and references in the footer, so what? People who want premium options will still go to EVB to get it. This isn't stealing any customers away from them. Nor is it really copying their design.
Is the pace down paper or vinyl?
Honestly I prefer more room to write notes the the Holy Ghost whispers as I'm reading
Get a journaling Bible. They are great!
I kinda wish Nelson would do this in other VERSIONS. But seems like NKJV is well represented elsewhere. And OTHERS ARE still revising themselves. E.g.
NASB
CSB
Which makes NKJV AND ESV my favourites for today.
Plus NKJV and ESV available in TOPAZ and other great and readable BIBLES in LARGE FONT and/ or. ..bold and dark PRINT.
The NKJV is coming in April. :-) www.christianbook.com/nkjv-personal-size-reference-sovereign-collection/9780785265344/pd/265345?event=Bibles|1002224
@@BibleBuyingGuide THANKS Randy.
This is my substitute for the kjv personal size Canterbury. Bigger print. Readable. Cheaper.
Dude you ought to do a bible reading channel Your voice is relaxing.
Thank you!! I appreciate that very much!
I like and have CONCORD and also like and have sovereign in the brown leather like shown here. I do not like goatskin except in some bibles.
THIS is a good size between. ..PSQ..too small.. and Quentel...too big.
SOVEREIGN ..just right. Goldilocks.
I’m needing a kjv with a glossary on the same page as the word.
This one is great for that.
@@BibleBuyingGuide Thank you my southern brother!
I have the gold/tan/chestnut and I bought new ribbon to add an black one or replace them and I have barely even opened it and I moved about 3hours from the store I bought it from …long story short this is the Bible I had in the army My grandmother bought me she recently passed away and I cannot find it so I’m interested in getting this Bible in the black with anybody be interested in trading I have it written in it or barely opened it just curious recently saved and born again I’m from South Carolina by the way God bless anyone who reads this !!take care
9.5 FONT IN THIS IS DARK AND BOLD AND READABLE.
They need to get some lambskin covers instead
which do you prefer? this or the mcclearan.
Excellent question. I'm more drawn to the Maclaren. The Sovereign is thicker and since it's short the overall feel is a bit chunky. The Maclaren is more balanced. Mostly, though, I'm drawn to the larger font of the Maclaren and I like that it has more references.
To paraphrase Sir Mix a Lot, I like big Bibles and I cannot lie!🤣🤣
lol
Im a new saved Christian and im learning. Is this Thomas Nelson Sovereign Bible a pure cambridge text KJV. I have a few KJV bibles and have noticed that there are a few word and spelling differences in them example cambridge cameo and a zondervan KJV are slightly different
It's not PCE. It's closer to the 1769 Blayney, which was the last official update.
@@BibleBuyingGuide Thank you, i still went ahead and purchased this bible sometimes i believe if we think to much into it we are just making big issues over nothing. Thanks for your help
@@justinhenshaw1550 you're welcome! I agree. I like the way you think.
@@BibleBuyingGuide i know your busy, but if you haven't yet and want to do a neat bible review try the Humble Lamb company they have many different versions and looks. I think you would like them
@@BibleBuyingGuide also trinitarian bible society check out the Westminister reference bible its kind of like a Thompson chain. The review would be more so of the quality bible your getting for a reasonable price. God bless ya brother
IMHO the Nelson Sovereign beats all you have shown!
That looks like a beautiful Bible? I prefer the ESV translation myself but that's my personal preference? Praise and glory to God. God Bless. Jesus Christ, is the name of God. He lives. Praise and Bless God's holy name.
Great use of RED. NOW I won't buy a pure black BIBLE. Either in cover or inside use of red. .preferably in verse #s. This one has BOTH.
Don't like the edgeline hump...=calfskin over goatskin. Imo.
Dakes or Schofield
CAMBRIDGE AND NELSON DO RED LETTER WELL.
ooh i want this one
I just can't make myself spend the money on the Schuyler. I purchased one, which I gave to my husband's youngest granddaughter, because she was getting interested in the Bible (finally!), and had been reading a paperback ESV. Since Schuyler made the ESV in her favorite color, I splurged and bought her one. I looked it over before gifting it to her, and realized that I would never be buying one for myself. I won't go into all of the details, but topping the list was of course the high price. I like the look of this new release by Nelson, but still have a few knocks against it. I need a large print, for starters. And I also prefer center column references and a decent concordance. I don't mind the fact that it is kind of a rip off of Schuyler's design since it gives them some competition. I just hope they will make a few changes in the future and revert back to the center column references while maintaining the beauty of the drop caps and the nice choice of color for the red letter editions. Thank you for your very thorough review.
This bible will keep me going until after PS Canterbury is reprinted. It is good size between PS Canterbury and reg size Canterbury. A goldilocks bible all around.
Cambridge CONCORD IS a goldilocks BIBLE. 9--9.5 ? point but with dark Bold readable PRINT.
In comfort print I would go to the dark 9.5 in SOVEREIGN.
To 9 POINT FONT in CONCORD.
To 8 FONT in CONCORD wide margin.
To 8 in CAMEO.
JUST BECAUSE Cambridge KJV bibles read bigger.
E.g. 10 point in LARGE PRINT looks like 12 font in bold and dark design.
Plus CAMBRIDGE printing BIBLES from 1591 deserve some consideration. For availability and range of choice..e.g. Calfsplit or calfskin...vs. Goatskin ONLY which is what Schuyler DOES and Nelson to a degree. In PREMIER collection. But their 50 % discount to Schuyler means I can learn to love and even like THEIR goatskin. Some is very thick and nice. I think they understand their audience better.
This is almost the goldilocks BIBLE. Between PSQ and regular size QUENTEL.
Everybody is copying QUENTEL and Canterbury. Could do worse. In between full size and PSQ and PSC.
I like it.
This bible has good Dark PRINT.
Wow I just got this for $25. I'm disappointed it's made in China. Everywhere I looked online it said they were printed in TN. Oh well I guess
Hmm. TN (Thomas Nelson) is in TN, but most of their Bibles are made in China. The wide-margin version of this Bible is made in India.
@@BibleBuyingGuide yeah it's fine. My mistake! It's not like my phone and other everyday items aren't made there! Plus I'm sure it's helping someone put food on the table and provide. We have many brothers and sisters there fighting the good fight. You never know the printing facility may be what leads someone there to Christ. All I can do is keep praying for our brothers and sisters who are in country's that persecute christians. Thank you for the review I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and happy new year!
@@A.V1611_BIBLEBELIEVER thank you! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!
Fakes or Schofield
You won't need more tools if you let the Holy Spirit do the preaching dear brother
Here's an excellent review by Crucified4Me ruclips.net/video/sNecPCcJuFE/видео.html&ab_channel=crucified4me
cheaper version of Canterbury.. same typesetting
They do look similar, but they are different typesetting and the pagination doesn't match. They use different fonts (Milo vs KJV Comfort Print) and the Sovereign adds footnotes, book introductions, different cross-references, and single-column Proverbs. The drop-cap is a different font, different size, and is offset differently. The cross-references in the Sovereign don't taper to the bottom of the page like the Canterbury.
@@BibleBuyingGuide gotcha. It's a poorman's Canterbury lol
Made in China??
No.
NEW Thomas Nelson's advertising of there new lines of premium Bibles:
"Words of Christ in black for a reading experience that is easy on your eyes throughout Scripture. The black text, improving readability".
AT LAST... They said that!
Remember brethrens: Red Letter - AGAINST Word of God...