For all poeple that doubt about effectivity - it realy does it´s work. When car is going fast, air isn´t going in the shape of a car but overflow it, so there is pressure of all the air car aerodynamics collected on the wing but almost no air under it. So in the corner air flows only on higher point of the wing and much less air pressure is applied on the bottom point of the wing. Thanks to that car has pretty more stability in the corners because pressure from the wing is applied only on that side of car that lifts during taking the corner (part inside of corner). Pretty awesome :)
But isn't the angle of attack too much for it to create downforce instead of drag which could instabilize the car? Doesn't the wing produces the downforce mostly with the underside of the wing edit : so wouldn't it be more practical and effiecient to make it an "swan neck wing"? And tilting the wing does it not put the edge of the wing to more "dirty" air? Just curious not an engineer so no hate just trying to learn :D
It´s all about how much you "learn" electronic to control that wing. Computers in cars like this are smarter than you would think and they know how much speed creates how much downforce in several places at the wing. If air flow under the wing you are just going too slow for air to overcome that gap to reach the wing but it´s in speeds when you don´t need downforce, in fact you are actualy going too slow to create some. If you are going fast all air is going directly in the wing and computer in car can analyze when it´s time to move wing to reach the best compromise between downforce and drag. I realy need to see some real timeattack testing ig it will be such a difference, but I hope that it will be huge success. We are living in the fokin future man :D
The wing isn't made to create extra downforce when it's tilted that way actually. The description of its function is in the name, 'Centripetal wing'. The wing directs air so that it pushes the car towards the centre of the turn (that is the definition of centripetal force). The wing actually loses a bit of downforce when tilted that way (a few percent), but the wing pushes the rear INWARDS so any extra tendency for the rear to throw out is negated. There should still be sufficient downforce to keep the tyres in check, but now there is also significant inward force that's further keeping the rear tyres aligned to the turn.
I'm pretty sure FIA only govern motorsports, not every single car; there are other active aero out there that was proven, or at least the manufacturer said so... I just wanna know if this Zenvo one is as effective or not.
Looks to me like it's still a work in progress, getting it better dialed to a G meter would be better. And faster responding actuators would probably help with the leaving of corners and transitions between corners
Noel From what I've seen in FSAE tech discussions about active aero, having it reacting to only an accelerometer makes it react too slowly, even with fast actuators. You want the downforce to come at the same time as your turn in, not after. Otherwise you'd be dealing with changes to your grip envelop part way though your turn in which would probably mess with the driver. Maybe a system that reacts to both steering input and G force?
looks like a standard GT3RS or an AMG GT can easily keep up with that 1200HP tilt wiong car. It doesn't seem to work at all. It looks like it makes the car even slower. This video is from 2018 is there any proof out yet that this wing actually works? any lap times with some compatitors?
I’d *_really_* love to see this on something like a *Radical* or some other such lightweight, purpose built track car... the effect would be so much greater !!
It looks wicked... though not sure how I feel about it. but if they could optimize the programming and so it takes effect where it matters and with faster input, high-speed corners, and high-speed braking, here it could see a huge gain-.. low-speed corners, I would reckon it would be more con than an actual gain. but kudos to Zenvo for taking chances and trying to elevate.,
I can‘t see where this car goes flat out. I mean the porsche gt3 has no problem keeping up and the porsche isn‘t nearly as fast on paper. I don‘t think zenvo is a company that is to be taken seriously
How will it put more drag on one side? What I think they intend to do here is try to push the car on the line it is going by lateral "down"force. Doesn't look very precise, though. :D
Active Aero. These guys deserve a top 10 award. Now if they could sell their idea to VW, BMW and GM? We could save millions of gallons of fuel every year by reducing the "at speed weight' of cars through aerodynamics...
oil companies don't want fuel to be conserved... otherwise wed have 80mpg cars by now...1940s cars had 40mpg...not much evolution in that department since
The age old thing, there's no advantage if everybody's running the same gear. But if it wins races, then they'd have an advantage until everybody else gets one on ebay
There’s a lot of flat-out wrong information here on what this wing is doing... ruclips.net/video/Hvocv9zF10c/видео.html ...is a video created by EE explaining what’s going on. The short of it is this: when you go into a corner the car’s center of gravity is moved to the outside tires creating an imbalance of grip we call roll. *The downforce of a wing is **_always_** perpendicular to it,* so by tilting the wing *you add a lateral force* to counteract the roll... this balances the load on the tires creating better mechanical grip which allows for much faster cornering.
countering oversteer by applying the force of the wing not directly downwards, but down and towards the inside of the corner, pushing the back end inwards. basically it's the same principle as a plane leaning into a turn.
mattie roelvink dat zal wel meevallen maar je hebt zo'n auto ook niet om 30.000km per jaar mee te rijden. En dan is het natuurlijk ook nog zo dat als je deze auto kan betalen het ook niet echt een issue zal zijn :)
why not? movable wings are the only reason planes can fly anything other than straight lines, sure maybe this wing moves a bit much for the result its getting, but i'd bet you could feel it working at high speed, under quick steering
I've never seen the Fast and Furious movies. It also appears to me that the wing tilting like that takes a lot of weight off of the inner tire. It must oversteer like a bitch at speed. At lower speeds I can't imagine there would be any real aerodynamic advantage.
Cat Car I was just thinking about what they got inspired by to make that wig on that car all I could think of was Koenigsegg one 1 and Bugatti the Pagani Huayra is a good comparison lol
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...**its a wing**
You winged it ^^
I see what you did there. 🤣
For all poeple that doubt about effectivity - it realy does it´s work. When car is going fast, air isn´t going in the shape of a car but overflow it, so there is pressure of all the air car aerodynamics collected on the wing but almost no air under it. So in the corner air flows only on higher point of the wing and much less air pressure is applied on the bottom point of the wing. Thanks to that car has pretty more stability in the corners because pressure from the wing is applied only on that side of car that lifts during taking the corner (part inside of corner). Pretty awesome :)
But isn't the angle of attack too much for it to create downforce instead of drag which could instabilize the car? Doesn't the wing produces the downforce mostly with the underside of the wing edit : so wouldn't it be more practical and effiecient to make it an "swan neck wing"? And tilting the wing does it not put the edge of the wing to more "dirty" air? Just curious not an engineer so no hate just trying to learn :D
It´s all about how much you "learn" electronic to control that wing. Computers in cars like this are smarter than you would think and they know how much speed creates how much downforce in several places at the wing. If air flow under the wing you are just going too slow for air to overcome that gap to reach the wing but it´s in speeds when you don´t need downforce, in fact you are actualy going too slow to create some. If you are going fast all air is going directly in the wing and computer in car can analyze when it´s time to move wing to reach the best compromise between downforce and drag. I realy need to see some real timeattack testing ig it will be such a difference, but I hope that it will be huge success. We are living in the fokin future man :D
The wing isn't made to create extra downforce when it's tilted that way actually. The description of its function is in the name, 'Centripetal wing'.
The wing directs air so that it pushes the car towards the centre of the turn (that is the definition of centripetal force). The wing actually loses a bit of downforce when tilted that way (a few percent), but the wing pushes the rear INWARDS so any extra tendency for the rear to throw out is negated. There should still be sufficient downforce to keep the tyres in check, but now there is also significant inward force that's further keeping the rear tyres aligned to the turn.
in 50mph corners? wut?
but it looks like Koenigsegg just destroys it. With such aerodynamics logic this car should be much faster in cornering without any hesitation.
I've love to see some test/experiment about that spoiler, compare to non-active one.
+1 me too
It’s faster the reason why other car manufacturers don’t do it is because the FIA has banned wings as such many years ago.
I'm pretty sure FIA only govern motorsports, not every single car; there are other active aero out there that was proven, or at least the manufacturer said so... I just wanna know if this Zenvo one is as effective or not.
Im sure it is effective but I meant most manufacturers race their cars thats why they dont do active aero as much, like the AMG GT and Porsche GT -s
ruclips.net/video/Hvocv9zF10c/видео.html
Where the hell is this man? Looks like a typical Gran Turismo Sport lobby
Its at the TT-Assen circuit in the Netherlands. Its actualy a Motorcycle track.
Such a crazy machine!
ITS ALIVE! ALIVE!
Looks to me like it's still a work in progress, getting it better dialed to a G meter would be better. And faster responding actuators would probably help with the leaving of corners and transitions between corners
Noel
Who's to say the actuators can't change faster than that? You don't want sudden changes unless you want turbulence to go with it.
Noel From what I've seen in FSAE tech discussions about active aero, having it reacting to only an accelerometer makes it react too slowly, even with fast actuators. You want the downforce to come at the same time as your turn in, not after. Otherwise you'd be dealing with changes to your grip envelop part way though your turn in which would probably mess with the driver. Maybe a system that reacts to both steering input and G force?
Gotta love that wing tilting in all directions
Spoiler, go home, you're drunk!
hah
That car is simply amazing!
the next generation of the zenvo will have an active front spoiler and skirts too.
Beautiful, amazing
It realy is!
For a country with only 1 car manufacture, we make one hell of a car!
I read an article how it "understeers" I wonder if also adding a rudder would help... lol.
Just imagine if the gtr had this wing with just 800hp and just a little under 3000lbs ohh god
looks like a standard GT3RS or an AMG GT can easily keep up with that 1200HP tilt wiong car. It doesn't seem to work at all. It looks like it makes the car even slower. This video is from 2018 is there any proof out yet that this wing actually works? any lap times with some compatitors?
haha die van jou is ook dik viral gegaan! lekker man
That spoiler is doing..what?! Ive seen active aero..but this is like hyper af aero!
I’d *_really_* love to see this on something like a *Radical* or some other such lightweight, purpose built track car... the effect would be so much greater !!
It looks wicked... though not sure how I feel about it.
but if they could optimize the programming and so it takes effect where it matters and with faster input, high-speed corners, and high-speed braking, here it could see a huge gain-..
low-speed corners, I would reckon it would be more con than an actual gain.
but kudos to Zenvo for taking chances and trying to elevate.,
wow the spoiler is so cool!
I can‘t see where this car goes flat out. I mean the porsche gt3 has no problem keeping up and the porsche isn‘t nearly as fast on paper. I don‘t think zenvo is a company that is to be taken seriously
Does that kind of active aero movement actually does something to the rear downforce? I'm curious. It's weird seeing that kind of movement.
Michael V, I see....interesting. I wonder how it will do in Nurburgring? Just for fun.
It does almost nothing. But looks very cool. :)
How will it put more drag on one side?
What I think they intend to do here is try to push the car on the line it is going by lateral "down"force.
Doesn't look very precise, though. :D
Doubt they'd be using it if it did nothing...
TheFreakyGames are you kidding me active aero is the best thing that happend to cars in recent years
Active Aero. These guys deserve a top 10 award. Now if they could sell their idea to VW, BMW and GM? We could save millions of gallons of fuel every year by reducing the "at speed weight' of cars through aerodynamics...
Hehehehehe no that's not how it works
oil companies don't want fuel to be conserved... otherwise wed have 80mpg cars by now...1940s cars had 40mpg...not much evolution in that department since
the wing can help in aerodynamics but it's only going to taunt and distract other drivers.......... My bet this is the Deadpool of cars
Super impressive still!
That gear shift tho, so slow compared to other dual clutches
So beautiful episode
I'm sad I never saw it go full speed :(
The age old thing, there's no advantage if everybody's running the same gear.
But if it wins races, then they'd have an advantage until everybody else gets one on ebay
G35 Vaydor?
looks like deadpool owned this car..
There’s a lot of flat-out wrong information here on what this wing is doing... ruclips.net/video/Hvocv9zF10c/видео.html ...is a video created by EE explaining what’s going on. The short of it is this: when you go into a corner the car’s center of gravity is moved to the outside tires creating an imbalance of grip we call roll. *The downforce of a wing is **_always_** perpendicular to it,* so by tilting the wing *you add a lateral force* to counteract the roll... this balances the load on the tires creating better mechanical grip which allows for much faster cornering.
I have a feeling it is very distracting to other drivers behind the Zenvo. Especially for the ones who struggle with tunnel vision at times.
Can that spoiler be applied on my Honda?
The side mirrors of this car belong to "LEON FR". .....SEAT LEON FR :)))
Still looking for the “FLAT OUT” part!
So, its purpose it what exactly? Confusing the drivers behind them? Countering oversteer? Countering understeer?
countering oversteer by applying the force of the wing not directly downwards, but down and towards the inside of the corner, pushing the back end inwards. basically it's the same principle as a plane leaning into a turn.
countering body roll and helping the car turn better. unlike other systems with flaps that open on one side, this keeps downforce on both sides
only in reverse. it's pushing down left when turning left. by pitching right.
Ryan Swick yep. Exactly like a plane upside down, which is sort of what a spoiler is
real life cyber formula concept
did the rimac guy ever hit the accelerator?
yes but it was out of juice because he already drove 2 laps
as ackward it looks as good it can help the aerodynamics I guess
More interested in those Koenigseggs and the Rimac
zenvo next project will be plane :D
Looks like a bunch of understeer
Zenvo flex edition
This is flatout? It looks slow
what track?
TT Circuit Assen
Lol that wing is sexual
Anybody notice the Porsche 959 towards the end of the video?
This thing is mental for sure but nobody in the right mind would pay 1.7+ Million dollar for this unless a collector or Jay Leno lol
Lmao everyone is giggling
Ik weet niet heeft geen lang levensduur met die 2 cilinders die zien er goedkoop uit
mattie roelvink dat zal wel meevallen maar je hebt zo'n auto ook niet om 30.000km per jaar mee te rijden. En dan is het natuurlijk ook nog zo dat als je deze auto kan betalen het ook niet echt een issue zal zijn :)
Retro exhibition with old-school cars, they're still powered by fossil fuel....
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No wing
I would be willing to bet that that does almost nothing.
Phillguy I bet the Porsche and Corvette in the video were up its wing. That's why they cut scenes.
Well it does something.... drag
Yes. It tilts.
why not? movable wings are the only reason planes can fly anything other than straight lines, sure maybe this wing moves a bit much for the result its getting, but i'd bet you could feel it working at high speed, under quick steering
This is not a plane.
Doesn't look like it helped the car get ahead.
James leclaire I think it was just cruising around the track. It didn't seem it went all out.
were you expecting the wing to tilt then the zenvo get blurry and hits all 30 gear shifts and end up in front like the fast and furious?
Its not a race in the first place.
I've never seen the Fast and Furious movies. It also appears to me that the wing tilting like that takes a lot of weight off of the inner tire. It must oversteer like a bitch at speed. At lower speeds I can't imagine there would be any real aerodynamic advantage.
yeah its possible its just for show at lower speed, at the end of the day it's a "luxury track car"
can I just say
LOL
It'd be better if the whole body leant in.....
The rimac gives zero fucks
As functional as it may be, esthetically it is sooooo wrong. Imagine driving behind this car. So distracting 😳😬
Doesn't seem to be any faster than the other cars (which have considerably less power) plus that must be distracting at fuck for the other drivers.
pagani should buy this car :)
Wan To it looks nothing like a pagani
I mean, huayra has an active aero too, so, why not put something similar to this on to the next pagani hypercar ?
Wan To Zenvo can sue Pagani for using their active aero spoiler on a car without permission
This wing looks like shit IMO
Pagani did this better on the Huayra.
Cat Car I was just thinking about what they got inspired by to make that wig on that car all I could think of was Koenigsegg one 1 and Bugatti the Pagani Huayra is a good comparison lol
Cat Car I almost forgot about that car LOL
No they didn't. It was a more compact solution, sure, but it's less effective.
Come on. Nobody notices a tiny flap. This is a batshit crazy idea
Regardless of how effective that is, this is hilarious 😂
That looks so dumb
my grandma can drive faster than that. At these speeds that spoiler does fuck all
Go home, spoiler! You’re drunk.
Of all the amazing intricate tricks they could’ve incorporated they choose this gimmick. Wow 😮 😞
Looks kinda pathetic!