Why Digimon Survive is One of Digimon's Best Games
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- Опубликовано: 29 фев 2024
- I love the Digimon Franchise with all of my heart but for a lot of reasons the games have always been its weakest part, but once Kazumasa Habu came along, they started to get way better until eventually we got Digimon Survive, one of the franchise's best games.
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Question of The Video: Alright People, Lopmon or Terriermon, which is your favorite also counting Evolution Lines?
Terriermon!
Hm, rabbit vs dog. Will go with terriermon line. Like the cybernetic focus.
Lopmon. I love how mystical all its evolutions are
Lopmon. Deva line specifically, though I prefer dianamon as the mega cause that's what I did in cyber sleuth
Lopmon because I was an edgy teen and Wendigomon and Antylamon from the movie were the right kind of creepy and strong.
great analysis! Hopefully we'll get more digimon games with mature stories like Survive.
Oh man, I wanted nothing more than to help Ryo and was so devastated when I found out I couldn't save him on the first play through. I had to put the game down and process when it happened
The most horrifying thing about this game is the deaths are locked by route so if anyone goes insane there's literally nothing you can do about it, and there are multiple attempts by in game characters to console these people back to their senses but you already know it won't work. And I am 99.99% sure this is a conscious design choice and not programming incompetence.
Oh it's definitely an intentional part of the game's design, if it were a programming error that would've been patched by now
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There were a lot of problems with the dialogue that became infamous. They also used used the wrong pronouns for the professor once and their biggest mistake was having Takuma read a script of actions that was happening during a scene. It felt like a group project where different translators were assigned specific chapters and they never looked over each others’ work for consistency or errors.
luckily fan translations fixed that. But it sadly shows incompetence on the devs part
Oh hush… you people, always expecting perfection.
@@rietzhu Nah, what I’m expecting is for characters to not say stuff like “Takuma’s portrait and name are not shown for this line.” at the very least. Spelling and grammar is one thing, including those instructions into Takuma’s dialogue is totally different.
@@rietzhu I guess expecting someone to proofread their work is asking for perfection?
I’m assuming you felt the same way when you were in school and your teacher said your essays were poorly written.
Don't forget misgendering some Digimon during the main part of Part 5. Constantly calling Labramon a he lol
Dude thank you for mentioning that weirdness with the true route. The script needed to have been looked over and the conversations needed to have drastically change in the true route. It didnt make sense for them not to trust their digimons since the death didnt happen. Also didnt make sense that everyone was “shooked” and freak out after seeing the hands not kill ryu. It made sense in the other 3 routes due to the death but when the deaths were avoid it still plays out the same which doesnt make sense. Glad someone else is thinking this as well.
As much as I liked the ending of the Truth Route, I did feel like that particular route was kinda...bolted on to a degree. Like the first three had been planned from the beginning but someone higher up the food chain came along and said "Add a route where nobody dies," and that was how the Truth Route came to be.
@@canisblack actually, it comes off more as a fate stay night type of thing. By the true route the player themself will see and understand the reasonings of the suspicion, as a result instead of treading the same ground it instead transfer over prev path feelings to continue to a different plot
Great review.
I hadn't considered/realized Kunemon's chirping was a representation of Ryo's inability to express himself.
He was a tough one to get through to. It seemed like all the right answers were reaffirming his anxieties. Which, I guess affiration is nice, but when the answers are something like "You're right, we're all doomed" I didn't expect his response to be wry acceptance.
To add to the post-dark-EVO thing, I also think that was an awkward time to trigger the Ultimate-EVO sequences. I'd go from having these strong character bonding scenes, only for them to completly revert once I got back to the main story.
They should'a held it back til after the reconsiliation sequence.
I'm playing through NG+ right now after not touching the game for a year lol. My eyes popped wide open when I got Kunemon to Digivolve to JewelBeemon and it started talking lol
I played this game 5 times because i liked this games story and gameplay alot would have been 4 but i missed an important collectible so yeah 5 times it is, i do hope that there will be an other Survive game since they its an good game.
I got this game on release, but the rather slow beginning led me to putting it on the shelf for about half a year before I randomly got the urge to play again, and boy was I pleasantly surprised.
SPOILERS:
I played through the “Wrath” route and at first I didn’t really take the character deaths too seriously because all the previous games and even the anime had conditioned me to expect everyone to somehow survive in the end.
When I finally realized this wasn’t going to be the case this time around, I got fully invested.
And the Wrath ending was something straight out of SMT, loved it.
Nice video, pretty much hit the nail on the head. BTW Have you played all the routes? If so which is your favourite?
Thank you! I've not played through all of the routes myself, but of the ones I've played, my favorite goes to the true route for its purely happy ending after how dark a normal playthrough can be.
That being said though, from what I've seen of the wrath route, it might be a close second!
@@Berdomlikesgames Nice. Wrath is my personal favourite. Such a different tone from what we usually see from Digimon.
I've been watching a bunch of reviews of survive to see if it's worth buying, and it seems like it is, tamers has always been my favorite season of the anime. Im excited to get to play it this weekend!
As beautiful as this game was, it took me a long time to get the motivation to complete this game. Was just slow to me. Still an amazing game. Still haven't forgiven Shuji
Honestly, that's fair.
@@Berdomlikesgames the game feeling long or the dislike for Shuji? 😅
@@ethanleach1252 probably both.
Picked it up brand new for £10 cant wait to play was on the fence for awhile
Frankly, I really do enjoy this game.
Mostly because I came to it for the story and was glad to see some really decent characters and partner Digimon that really complemented them.
After playing the Truth Route, it’s clear that Kunemon is the one who needs to be protected most.
Yeah, Shuuji needed some more work in the True route but I wonder how much of it is down to Japan’s cultural handling of familial abuse.
Harmony and Wrath really got under my skin but in a good way. I wanted to at least unlock all the partner digivolutions so I played through those.
Aoi, Saki and Miu have to be the best female cast this franchise has had in years. Miyuki also comes into play here as well. All four do have interesting beats in each route and it does help that their partner is something that adds to them as characters as opposed to some of the least great additions where there’s one girl and they either get a partner because they’re a feminine Digimon or a more masculine Digimon where the personality is all about protecting her and not really being her friend.
Great review.
Ryo is my absolutely favorit Character in this game ❤
And Kunemon my favorite Partner Digimon ❤
I can excuse the combat in Survive being too simplistic. They've been trying to make the games more newcomer friendly and this their first Tactical RPG in over 20 years. Since it wasn't really the focus of the game and they've been commited to try to not dumb down the franchise, I think it was a fair deal, especially considering how much troubled the development was. I do agree that they should improve it in the sequel, though.
My main criticisms with the game are in the post game route and translation too. They really should have started showing the changes Story sooner in that one. They really struggled to find things to do with Ryo and Shuuji in the chapters they weren't in during the other routes and the ending could use another 5 minutes of dialogue before they went into the epilogue (they could space out the dialogue better in the whole game to be honest, most the dialogue was in the first 5 chapters). Sometimes they tried too hard and end up with something that feels too much like a "Hello, fellow kids" script that was either cringe or made it straight up harder to understand, other times the lines didn't match at all to what the characters were saying. As much Cyber Sleuth and Next Order had issues with translation, they stayed in line with the original script for the most part. Those game's translations were also handled by non-native english speakers with the help of machine translation, while Survive was meant to be the big step up from that, since the game is mostly text, with "Professional English Localizers" that didn't even bother typing all the names in the interface cause the higher ups didn't care that they were abbreviating everything (Yes, it was not for due to Character Limit, people from Localization Quality Assurance even reported on it and they just didn't care. I even modded the game text myself and the the UI just adapts itself to the amount of text). The fact that a lot of other languages were translated from the english script instead of the japanese one was another slap on the face for a lot of people.
As much as I love this game, it's also probably the reason why Habu was removed from the leadership of the game series production. Not because it performed bad (it was one of the most successful games in the franchise), but because he was commited to not cancel the project and only deliver it complete. Because of this they spent the biggest part of 5 years with nothing actually new to show to their higher ups. Just by reading his interviews you can tell how much he cared for the series. Unfortunately, this probably also meant he loved the franchise too much for his own good, considering the corporate environment around him.
The game seems to have done well enough to warrant a sequel but if it's anything like it's or story 6's development, we won't see it for a decade
SPOILERS
I think the fix the true route needed in regards to Shuuji and chapter 6, is simple to rewrote the chapter to be focused on Shuuji and Lopmon. The original story about kids being afraid of their digimon like you said, works in the original route cause that's when the dark digivolution happen, but not in the true route, which just does not work and I think the only reason why they repeated the plot line was more for time (which I could say about the true route in some aspects, mostly how Ryo after surviving feels more like copy paste to original events when he was dead, only to say one like ala "I'm here" and not didn't felt like he was organicly part of the events unfolding). So I think the chapter 6 while it was originally focus on Minaru and Falcomon's relationship, just change focus to Shuuji and Lopmon instead and maybe even make that the moment Lopmon digivolves (and maybe in chapter 5 make Kunemon digivolve, since Ryo was the one that stop Shuuji and I think this could have been his actual story moment, as supposed to being sort of a extra scene in chapter 5). Survive is one my favourite games, but like you said, it's not perfect and true route has some writing issues, that could have been fix after a rewrite.
I think sorely the game suffered from the success of Cyber Sleuth. I think most people heard visual novel and were like oh like the cutscenes in cyber sleuth without realizing the combat wouldn't be the focus much like CS and Hacker's Memory! As a lifelong fan of the franchise, I did enjoy the story even though I hate replaying games because things are hidden behind new game plus but all in all enjoyed survive as a whole
Playing this for the first time. I come from SRPGS like Shining Force and GBA Fire Emblems, I for one, appreciate the combats simplicity.
The story segments are also just as, if
not more engaging to the solid combat system.
9/10 game for me
The story are dark and good love it
Map designs are honestly the main thing holding the combat back. The mechanics that are already in place can actually provide for a decently challenging game. I haven't played the moral or wrath route yet, but in both the harmony and truthful route, maps get more creative and combat is a lot more fun as a result. Before that, there's the Arukenimon boss, the Wendigomon boss and the Piedmon boss. Those are the best fights before the third act, because they actually get creative with the map design and have tough enemies.
As for what people say about nobody stepping up to Shuji, I want to say this. These characters are all children. Not his therapists. None of them are in a good place to try talking him out of his behavior. Aoi is far too insecure. Minoru is a goofball nobody takes seriously. Saki is 12. No way is he going to listen to her. Don't even get me started on Kaito and Miu. That only leaves Takuma and Ryo. Both of whom actually tell Shuuji to go easier on Lopmon at some points.
Great video. A great story but the light strategy side, hurts the gameplay a bit.
Thank you! And yeah, the map design really does hurt the gameplay, buy hey, that's just one more reason why I would love it if Digimon survive got a sequel!
(SPOILERS for Cyber Sleuth in the first line)
Anyone know if Cyber Sleuth's story changes gears past when Arata uses that eater arm to kill that Royal Knight?
I've been playing for a while and I kind of hate the game. I'm fine with the gameplay (at least in battle) but I literally fell asleep trying to read the dialog. The only character I half way like is Nokia, because she's insane, and I find the rest of them to be bland and uninteresting. I mostly just want to know if it gets better or if this is all I'm going to get and I should take the mons I have and finish it already.
I feel kind of ripped off since I bought the double feature with Hackers Memory and I'm not sure if I'll ever even play it.
love the tactical rpg gameplay... should have the anime storyline... should have sequels... i love digimon survive...
You've not played 13 sentinels if this is the most beautiful visual novel u played!
Right 😅
Just made it to island 2 but biggest gripe with this game is i care more for the digimon amd hate that in order to save a digimon i have to care the character so unfortunately they had to go too
I would say, Digimon Story lost evolution (fan translate) is the best Digimon Game for me 😅
But i never played Digimon survive, maybe i have to play it, but money says no right now 😬 i focus on play on this🙏
It's a good game, I just don't like visual novels all that much.
That's fair, games like this won't be for everyone.
It would be better if it didnt had alot of conversatioms but its cool the dark side like treating digimons as demons
My problem with this game was selling it for $60 when the gameplay is all backloaded. I wish there was more. Oh also losing a character on your first playthrough if you don't befriend shuuji
Pretty sure you lose then regardless in the first playthrough
@IAmMightyMike Yeah, it's tied into whether or not Ryu survives first, and it's impossible to gain enough affinity with him outside of a New Game+ to save him.
Personally, while I tried really hard to get everyone through it on my first playthrough, it was really cool to see how my choices affected the story and Agumon's evolution. Without gaming the system, it really felt like I was in full control over Takuma and even if I couldn't control everyone else, I could control my reaction.
I wished that there was a rewatch cutscene mode and quitting from the battle selection screen. Grinding is ridiculous lol.
@@wardencommander616
> Yeah, it's tied into whether or not Ryu survives first, and it's impossible to gain enough affinity with him outside of a New Game+ to save him.
And I'm sure it's deliberate
@@wardencommander616you lied hard asf😂😂😂😂
Honestly for me survive was fun when I was actually fighting but that’s it I didn’t like the story and I also hated how there are 2 characters you can’t save unless your in a ng+ playthrough
I really don't think Digimon should expand beyond the monster raising games and the jrpgs. It's a real shame this came to Xbox and Cyber Sleuth and Next Order did not
Reasons why :
1. Most digimon games suck
2. Replayability cause of 4 storyline
3. Most digimon games dont rate above survival's @ 7/10
"the combat and strategy is the weakest part of the game" and that is why i have the exact opposite opinion i think its one of the worst digimon games because its combat is bad it tried to do the disgaea style gameplay and failed pretty hard and led to it being very boring to play and sometimes just feeling like you are playing some weird puzzle date-sim game like huniepop where you have to play some wack minigame with no thought put into it to unlock more story bits which for someone like me who plays games almost purely for the gameplay or trophies means its pretty ass to get through
Fun fact: They also misgender Renamon a few times. Sometimes using "He/Him" and other tines "She/Her".
It's understandable when you realize that whoever is behind the translations for the games do an incredibly bad job 80% of the time look at Cyber sleuth is probably one of the best games but it has some God awful translation issues hackers memory did a better job but still had some pretty bad moments it's just something I expect from a Digimon game nowadays
That title is a very good joke ngl
Did they really misgendered the puppy? Or is Labramon is supposed to be a boy, the same way that Lopmon was always male. Cause they often use he/him for both of them
Game was FUCKIN TRASH graphic novel
sad but true
Sorry but it's not.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
its not even a game, its a interactive novel
Just made it to island 2 but biggest gripe with this game is i care more for the digimon amd hate that in order to save a digimon i have to care the character so unfortunately they had to go too