Captain takes off under the influence and crashes in Anchorage - Japan Airlines Cargo Flight 1045
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- Japan Air Lines Cargo Flight 1045 was a charter flight on January 13, 1977, from Grant County, Washington, United States, to Tokyo, Japan, with a stopover in Anchorage, Alaska, United States. The flight crashed during the initial climb phase, shortly after takeoff from Anchorage. Registration JA8054 DC-8.
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JAL itself is really to blame after disregarding the cab driver's tip off that the Captain was drunk; whoever ignored that information and did nothing to verify it, should be fired at the very minimum.
Yeah. It was exacerbated by the Japanese complex of feudal hierarchy. The flight crew and JAL were too entrusting of the captain, and to make matters worse, there's the issue of blind respect for those at the top, even if things do go wrong. The flight crew were too afraid to challenge the captain, because they were taught from an early age to respect any 'sensei', and that means anyone who is superior to them. Not to mention that even those on the ground couldn't get JAL to stop the drunken captain from taking command. It's all power-distance.
@@AurumUsagiThe same "fear-of-the-Captain" issue was said to have been a significant factor in the 1977 'Tenerife' crash which killed 583 people.
@@None-zc5vg Yeah, but there's the added dimension of cultural differences. Japan is generally collectivist with elements stemming from centuries-old tradition of feudal hierarchy, while the Tenerife disaster involved individualist cultures and weather. The KLM captain was more concerned about exceeding the hours, which influenced his decision to push ahead with the takeoff, even though he was not properly cleared. There was also the factor of miscommunication, with allegations that ATC were more concerned about football scores than guiding aircraft in low visibility.
Possibly be charged with involuntary manslaughter?
To go from the brave, heroic crew on the flight deck (and cabin crew) on JAL 123 and then revisit this incident makes my heart sink.
Exactly, flying that plane with no stabilizer/hydraulics for around a hour should have been impossible. Captain and crew were heroic even though the final result was the crash. But they kept that plane airborne thru their skill and dedication. Imagine if they would have made it?
Those poor cattle 😢
IKR? 🐮💔
I remember the America West captain who tried to taxi while the Tug was still connected, in Miami. He was drunk as a stunk but neither the cabin crew nor copilot did anything to stop him before pull back.
I’ve never heard the expression drunk as a stunk- only the one drunk as a skunk
Fortunately it was caught and they made him taxi back. I think he got 8 years or so in prison for that and had his license revoked permanently. That was in 2002.
@@muffs55mercury61 the captain got 5 years the co-pilot 2 1/2.
@@bobbypaluga4346 Ok thanks.
Push back.
2:45 I had no idea they shipped cattle on planes. I thought that was just coach class.
Yes, very good replication of the hi-lo starting of the JT3 Pratt’s on the DC8. Loved that sound! Like music to my ears!
Right on!
Bravo to the taxi-driver for reporting the captain to the appropriate authorities. Inexcusable failure of JAL management. Although the Co-Pilot and Engineer had limited authority in those days they could have chosen to not board the aircraft or disembarked and called the police to remove the captain from the flight deck.
The image is that of a DC-8-61 or -63. The -62 is as short as the un-stretched version, but more modern with a greater range. However: the picture @8:21 is most likely a DC8-62.
300mg... Captain nearly topped himself with all that beer!
Yeah
It's amazing that he could even walk. The cockpit had to of reeked of alcohol.
300 mg of Ethanol is nothing, I think it should be per kg of body weight or something, yet that's still not much! It says 300mg% but that doesn't make sense, percentage should be dimensionless!
That pilot wasn’t merely drunk; he was plastered. That’s almost four times the legal driving limit. Go much beyond that and the amount is potentially lethal.
Indeed! He was bloody schnockered!
it was stated, in video, as '300mg%' -i have no idea what that means..
@@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568 it’s roughly .30%. As you probably know the cutoff for DUI in all states of which I’m aware is .08%. So he was almost four times over the limit. He shouldn’t have been conscious. He apparently had built up a huge tolerance.
@@CAROLUSPRIMA he was the drunkman
It was a different time back then. Still, if I’m the FO or FE, I would be fearing for my life.
And the JAL who ignored the cab company? Shame on them.
It was a different world back then, but I still see myself smelling the drunk and telling him that either I fly or I deboard. Sad for those who stood by and were killed at least this sot killed cows and not an additional 100 + people. Small mercies yet terrible for the four who parrished!
Great graphics!!! 👍👍✈️
Excelente clases de video capi teacher saludos cordiales 💯🇺🇲 bendiciones 🙏🙌✈️
Those poor cows! Don't drink and fly!
We should never allow the egos of others to be more important than lives....
Ha obviously a female thought. In patriarchy, nothing is more important than men upholding their ego (or simping for other men's ego)
Obviously a WISE thought! Carolinecarter6874, I agree!
...but we do, as did those on the flight-deck of the KLM Jumbo that caused the 583 deaths in the 1977 runway collision at Tenerife.
Well animated
Alcohol is the worst of all the drugs out there. Give us the wisdom to use it in moderation or not at all.
I couldn’t do it. Almost drank myself to death. 9 months sober now
@@erikarabie Well done! One day at a time...
@@erikarabiegreat to hear, stick with the winners
Great video...very realistic! Thank you for creating, uploading and sharing! HAPPY NEW YEAR 2024!!
Posted: December 31, 2023
Thanks. Happy new year to you too!
Good video, unfortunately, it shows a DC-8-61, not a -62.
You noticed that too, eh?
I like to drink beer when I mow my grass sometimes, but if I crash my mower I don't kill a bunch of people. That damned pilot was a real pos, the cab driver did his best but others failed,and they take some of the responsibility.
Ever end up with some comical mower tread marks on the lawn? 😄
@@billolsen4360 When he was doing burn outs??
I run over a partially hidden tree stump I knew was there after a couple cold ones, in running shoes. The blade remained attached but was hopelessly bent. That's all it took for me to realize that it tastes better when you're finished work
But you didn't kill the stump, right?, so that's the important thing (: @@moemanncann895
Why would the other crew members allow him to fly drunk?
In Japanese and at Japan Airlines the culture was different. I knew an American that flew for JAL. In U.S. airlines if the F/O or the F/E had to go to the LAV they would say to the Captain, Hey Joe, I’ve got to to to the LAV, and leave. At JAL they would ask permission to go.
In those days the captain ran the cockpit with an iron fist and he was not to be challenged---or else. In the US that eased in the 1980s but in foreign countries it went on another 20 years.
@@muffs55mercury61 That is not true. There were a few jerks but most were very pleasant.
They were much less experienced than him. Seniority ruled, to their detriment.
Flying a plane drunk. What could possibly go wrong?
Alcohol is a bitch, man. I’m on the path to sobriety now but I’ve been where this pilot was and it isn’t a good place.
Drunk in an airliner cockpit?
Denzel washington: I drank three bottles 😂
Which is why I recognized the danger of that Denzel movie as soon as I watched it. "The drunken pilot performs skillful acrobatics and heroically saves the plane despite his lack of sleep due to fornication and alcoholism." Sends the COMPLETE wrong message to young minds.
"It was difficult for a co-pilot to contradict their captain." It should be "his or her captain". "Their" should be used in the case of two or more people. For example "It was difficult for a co-pilot and an engineer to contradict their captain."
The grammar nazi!!! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
He’s correct, though. 🙀
@@sludge8506 Using correct grammar is not being a "nazi".
But otherwise, your acknowledgement is appreciated.
@@nycsguy *Many* people will disagree with your first sentence. But, that’s what makes the world go round. (Is my previous sentence correct?)
The singular they has been around for about 600 years.
Hello pal after so long you uploaded video…well nice to see your work❤❤❤by the way do you remember me???
Of course Tony, good to see you
Nope
You forgot to mention that the airport cafe had BBQ half off for two weeks.
And the local K Mart had boys pants half off.
And Michael Jackson was browsing that same Kmart.
@@stevenpatricknorton458👈 👍
I’m glad I never had to face that situation as a F/O but I have head stories from the old days. The stories I heard was they always managed to keep the drunk pilot out of trouble. The remaining sober crew members flew the airplane and the drunk pilot sobered up on the way to the destination The only possibility of turning in the drunk crew member would be if he got hostile. Pilot arrested for being drunk never happened in the old days. A Snitch would be considered one notch below a Scab. The world has changed and so has the way rules are enforced.
Pilots and firefighters.... how can you tell if there's a pilot at your party?
Just wait a minute and he'll tell you.
I don't believe you ever were a fo
@@user-wi8nc9wo3x Unfortunately I had to be a F/O for 16 years, DC8, SVC10, B747 then I took my first opportunity to upgrade to an airplane I had ever flown the 727 Captain, then DC8, a merger B727, MD11, B727, A300, MD11/MD10. Just a little over 43 years from initial DC8 F/O hire at age 21 until retirement at age 65. My new hire class spent 8.5 years on furlough.
Why didn’t the copilot take command if he knew the captain was drunk?
Culture!
At the time it was not done
8:47
I never knew livestock were flown anywhere!
When Aeroflot bought Boeing and Airbus planes some pilots allegedly complained that there was no place for a bottle in the cockpit.
Question, if the Captain would have lowered the angle when it started stalling, would that have saved it in not stalling and crashing, or was it too late with the ice and being that low?
Possibly. I'm also wondering if the steeper angle caused the cargo to shift aft. Picture a few dozen cattle sliding aft and suddenly you have a real weight/balance problem.
This was done with the "rum and coke" setting on MS Flight Simulator
Cattle on the plane ? I figured they’d always shipped them across 🐄
What happened to the cattle?
There was also a cultural part of this accident in hierarchy and respecting seniority in the Japanese culture. Is there any backstory of how late the captain was drinking? I suppose if the captain was up late drinking closing out the bar, being hammered a few hours later is pretty likely…
Pratt must of been out of town when Whitney made that engine
Yeah but did the cattle survive?
All died and were reincarnated as dinner
Cargo planes have windows? Seems legit
They were transporting Wagyu beef, every cow gets a window stall.
This looks like an animated video.
You didn’t say whether any of the cattle survived.
The NTSB noted that the two other flight crew members should have corrected the intoxicated pilot, Hugh L. Marsh, but did not.
If he crashed into a Huge Marsh, that would be over the top.
what about the cows ?
…. And that is no Bull!😂
Bye, bye, Bessie!!! 🐄🐄🐄🐄
Planes travelling + -100 miles an hour towards terrain,unsurvivable.
@@moemanncann895 No, champ, some of the cows survived.
@@sludge8506 Wow, didn't know,my bad. The crew may have had a small chance to survive too, sad situation there
Nowadays TSA/Airport security would stop you if they suspected you had been drinking
What happened to the cows?
Music does not work with this video, whatsoever.
at least any cattle survived ?
Judging by the looks of crash site,no
@@Randomly_BrowsingWell-done.
jajajaja @@mikebarker9187
@@mikebarker9187 Please pass the A-1 steak sauce!!
@@usmale49 The airport ground staff ate good that night!
Something is wrong with the sound.
It makes me wonder how a captain (American) with that many hours and experience is flying cargo....
It does look like he was headed out the door, and knew it, doesn't? Maybe he had a degenerative disease, and knew it, without the resources to face it and deal with it.
Allec Joshua Ibay
Good stuff but as always the overly dramatic music is a bit too much. Thanks
All those cattle as cargo surely added to alot of weight behind. I'm curious does anyone know if cattle are still shipped thus way, I'm assuming alive unless I misunderstood. Shame in JAL for dustrusting the cab company report. They could have saved 5 ppl.
what happened to the cattle?
Steaks :-/
@@mzrzfxr The jet fuel ruined it. Like when you put too much lighter fluid on the charcoal.
@@AndrewGrey22 good call, like when your 11 and douse the grille with lighter fluid because it will make steaks faster, whoops 😂
What about the cattle? 🤷♀️🥺
Retired B747 Captain here. Man, I used to get so hammered before those long haul flights that I'd only start to sober up about 6 or 7 hours into them. One time I was supposed to be flying from Auckland, New Zealand to Narita, Japan but woke up halfway through the flight as we were descending into Honolulu. Talk about awkward!! The F/O had a porn habit that was a little on the 'young' side shall we say, so he kept his mouth shut after a few threats from me. As for the passengers, actually who cares about them, they got to watch an additional 2 movies while we slowly banked the aircraft and made our way back over the Pacific to Japan. Made it to Narita 3 hours late and with about a teaspoon of fuel vapor left in the tanks.
glad you are retired, hope you never fly again
I'm not buying the Brooklyn Bridge from you, so don't ask.
Sure.
You are more believable than most of the fake pilots in the comments of these debrief vids. But still not very. You need to google some obscure facts about the plane. That usually helps
BUT what happen to the load of cattle
Not all the cattle died. If I remember correctly, at least 4 or 5 ended up on a friends farm out in the Matanuska Valley. I was in Anchorage at the time.
Hamburger
This airplane was NOT a "McDonnell Douglas DC-8". It was a Douglas DC-8. 1971 was years before the McDonnell and Douglas merger. Patrick Cowdrey, Central Point, Oregon
McDonnell Douglas Corporation was a major American aerospace manufacturing corporation and defense contractor, formed by the merger of McDonnell Aircraft and the Douglas Aircraft Company in 1967. ~Wkikpedia
pcowdray should not drink before posting!
Best Burger's in town I heard....!
Meh, had a oily tang to them.
Crass and not at all funny.
Sorry....I couldn't resist.
If copilot I would not fly with intoxicated Pilot no matter how well he held up. And the Company went scot free?
What about the cows???
Oh the cows were fine. They have no problem hitting the ground at over 100mph from a height of a few hundred feet while in a metal tube. Does he really have to spell it out? FFS.
Dinner
All those damn drunks in Alaska.
What else is there to do?
DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL AND FLY! THE TAXI DRIVER SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED FOR ALERTING THE AIRLINE.THAT ONE OF THEIR PILOTS WAS DRUNK!
All that meat wasted.
I bet it smelled like a huge steak on the grill at the crash site.
Pilots under the influence, doors and other parts falling off, invasive airport practices are a few reasons why I will never fly.
It is far safer than any other method
Fui- flying under the Influence
Warm Saki in the middle of the day. ???
Me: "That's so unusual for a Japanese person to do something so irresponsible."
Video: **the captain was American**
Me: "Oh..."
Probably not a good idea for the other foru people to stay on a plane with a drumk pilot.
Your comment makes me wonder, are you possibly drumk ??
Terrible.
poor cows.
10 degrees is too much rotation? Or did he mean insufficient flap? Why don't you give us flap settings and other necessary data. Without that information this is a jackass ninny clip which is utterly meaningless. To create a good crash clip you must MUST give the viewer the necessary information to determine the probable cause of the crash for themselves and the after crash should simply be a more detailed corroboration. What you have done is give absolutely no details and a very sketchy subsequent explanation which fails to match what we actually saw. Boring and irritating EXTREMELY IRRITATING to watch. You failed on this one.
The 10 degrees is ANU. The Flap would have been 23 or 25. My guess it was 23 since that was normal for the -63 and 25 for the -61 and earlier DC8s. I just read the accident report available if you just google it. The airplane rotated to 15 degrees which was too high for their weight. There is also the possibility of Ice on the wing. The flaps were set to 23 as I previously stated.
I'm afraid I disagree with you and find your attitude boring and extremely irritating. It is not helped , in any way, by you 'Trumpish' use of capitals. Go away and shout at some Karens.
@@EuroScot2023 With whom are you addressing?