'Most stable and reliable' power: Australia's largest coal-fired power plant set to close
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2022
- Energy economist Alan Moran says wind and solar energy get "massive amounts of subsidies" from the government as Australia's largest coal-fired power plant is set to close down seven years earlier than planned.
"The wind and the solar basically get massive amounts of subsidies - it's about $7 billion dollars every year in subsidies and they still can't compete because they want the taxpayer, or rate payer, to spend another $10 billion or $20 billion on new transmission to allow them to get their product ... to the market," Mr Moran told Sky News host Andrew Bolt.
"It is very largely due to the federal government's rules ... half of the subsides actually do come from the federal government.
"Matt Kean, of course, has turbo charged all of this ... and created this dreadful situation where we've now got 40 per cent within the next year or so of New South Wales' coal fire - that's its most stable and reliable and cheapest power, closing down."
Coal is king . No coal. No Oil. No gas .No steel .No Country 👍💯
Net zero = net nothing .
We're done for. What a detrimentally insane decision to make.
It’s economic woke green madness, but keep exporting the coal for others to use why don’t you
Its the company itself that wants to close the plant. The plant isn't economically viable anymore as the plant has to be run continuously amd can't be turned off. When generation passes demand.
So the options are your taxes go to subsidies to keep it running or the company goes in debt and shuts down anyway.
@@Aaronwhatnow no, and don’t blame the fking plants for government regulations killing them. Taxes are going to “renewable” energy, which isn’t renewable, as subsidies already. Which makes the cost to run them “zero” at market auction and coal/gas can’t compete with “zero”. On top of that you global warming dumbfucks have been increasing emission fines every year, which drives coal/gas generation prices up even more. And you have the retardedness to blame a PRIVATE company for shutting down “just because they aren’t making a profit”? How about the ILLEGAL favoritism where one business is getting “free” tax money while the others in the same industry are getting nothing except more tax hikes? Dumbfuck!
They’re all bonkers
We're going straight back to the stone age
Yep exactly what Red China wants for us..
Government has put us in this position because of their lack of foresite, proscration and sheer stupidity. We need a new political party that can think for itself and act on the energy security requirements of Australia. This counts out Liberal and Labour.
The power industry in Australia makes over 3 BILLION PROFIT a year and they can't "Afford" to keep the power station going?
Give me a break!!
BUT WE CAN HAVE THE COMM AND OLYMPIC GAMES.
basic history reminder: Industrial revolution is based on stable, cheap and reliable energy...
And green energy is cheaper and becoming more reliable all the time
@@Aaronwhatnow it depends what "green" means
@@Aaronwhatnow that's a fabricated lie!!
Klaus Schwab wants to usher in the fourth industrial revolution.
@@Aaronwhatnow I'm sure you haven't got a clue what 'green' energy is.
You need to have reliable sustainable renewable energy technology, a elaborate and strategic blue print for the transitional period, and proper recycling facilities for batteries and materials. I had no idea this was happening and why is this allowed to happen without referendum votes and lengthy public consultation is just absolutely insane. The government has way too much power and represents no one other than corrupt business deals for political or personal benefit. Australia is done for.................it's worse than I thought.
It will be hard for anyone to deny how farkin stupid these muppet politicians are when people are paying record high prices for power and blackouts and brownouts will be also at record high, if coal goes, nuclear has to come in or eveyone will end up on tarriffs, you wont be able to run aircon in summer or heater in winter
@@adamthrelfall3668 I know some people in Germany who are currently living this and it really is that bad.
@@honestaussie5064 One of the american states iced over last year which wasnt part of their fully solar plan, they had to run a heap of temporary cable from neighbouring state to get through winter, sounds crazy but seems to be the trend lately, its like they are trying to fuck everything up and waste all our our hard earned tax payed dollars to do it
@@adamthrelfall3668 These are the results of when government sells out for political or personal benefit while also have a democracy system that has been strategically and systematically compromised over time. We are left with a rogue government that has no transparency or accountability, complete failure of democratic processes and government committees full of the dumbest people on earth who are only interested in corrupt business deals rather than common sense. Australia government needs to be dissolved immediately.
@@honestaussie5064 couldnt agree more
Then just like SA power bills will skyrocket.
You mean decrease, as it does everywhere that uses renewable.
Saw a story a couple of weeks ago about how power prices in SA have come down quite a bit over the last couple of years.
@@oldbloke204 you also completely missed the OP wrote, "will". As in future tense.
@@johnhoyle4401 SA survives on Victorian brown coal power - the most polluting .
@@stewatparkpark2933 Does it really?
Might want to check into how renewables are working in SA again methinks.
The evil and corrupt _will_ be purged.
No mercy.
When?
Nobody talks about the waste and the damage and the cost renewable energy takes to manufacture set up and run
And to dispose of.
Yes they do and LCOE proves wind and solar produce cleaner and cheaper electricity than coal.
It cost less to build renewables stupid, where do you nut jobs get this crap from. Please answer this question, how much does the fuel cost to run a solar or wind farm power station. I will not tell you yet, but a 2000mw coal power station in Australia will use around 18,000 tonnes of coal per day and at around $320 per tonne, that 5.75 million dollars per day. Have you worked out the cost of sun and wind yet, waiting.
Keep reminding people what happened to Texas. Don't let them shut down a power plant if they can't provide the same level of reliability.
We once had a free power source. Did not require fuel. It has been hidden from us. Why. So we have to pay for sources that make others rich
Tesla's energy technologies. 👍
There is so much hidden technology the mind boggles . Tesla wasn’t the only one .
And free of child labour.
Kiss your savings goodbye. 🤦🏻♂️
Wind and solar need to work for ten or more years to even break even on emissions to make them . If they where so good the private sector would not need government money to guarantee they walk away millionaires and the people pick up the bill when it fails .
Solar has 15 yr lifespan and wind 20 yrs
Get ready to start paying for the end of life costs as they can’t be recycled
@@batmanlives6456 Sucks being in a Renewable Energy Zone. With existing, approved and in the pipeline we are up to 200 sq km of arable land that will be utilised for wind, solar and batteries. And that's just near our town, and a fraction of what Kean is supporting across NSW. It's devastating.
@@margaretarmstrong2445 and there is still the burning question…
Who will pick up the mess in a few years when this garbage becomes no longer serviceable
Wind and solar is not able to be recycled
Just landfill
None of these bright spark greens have addressed this problem yet
At least coal fired tech has a 50+ year lifespan and most can be recycled
98% of a solar cell is recyclable. There is an industry in recycling wind turbine blades into cement. LCOE studies prove your comment in demonstrably false.
@@pwillis1589 I want details on solar recycling
My sources suggested not available
And who do you expect will pick up the tab???
California would love to know about wind Turbines recycling… it’s a huge problem there!
Adam Bandt the craziest of woke muppetts we have seen.
Scary part is he was actually voted in
@@adamthrelfall3668 the dude has less cognitive ability than Joe
He's not crazy, he knows exactly what he's doing. Seeking the destruction of western industrialised democracy so it can be replaced with a new Marxist paradise, though ofcourse not a lot of paradise to be had for the counter-revolutionaries that end up in the gulag for wrong-think.
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Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australians a staggering $10.3 billion in FY 2020-21.
"Air pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil was responsible for 8.7 million deaths globally in 2018, a staggering one in five of all people who died that year."
“Australia’s energy market today is very different to the one when Eraring was brought online in the early 1980s, and the reality is the economics of coal-fired power stations are being put under increasing, unsustainable pressure by cleaner and lower-cost generation, including solar, wind and batteries.” Origin Energy CEO Frank Calabria said.
Zali likes the odd lump .
Clearly it is every person for themselves with regards to energy production because the Governments both Federal and State can no longer be relied on to supply ones electricity....
I pity businesses.
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So why not go geothermal?
Greens won't let us , might hurt the planet .
Where were the hot springs you visited in Australia? Or are you referring to Tim Flannerys plan on getting "geothermal" from decaying uranium?
Australia isn’t New Zealand .
Already tried that courtesy of Tim Flannery some years ago. Some 90 million dollars later it failed miserably.
@@paulveenings6861 Or Iceland.
batteries..what an absolute joke
And therein lies the problem - most of the mouthpieces making these bold proposals for green energy don't have a clue how the power distribution system actually works. They will be relying on some poor lunk to try and make it all work after all the lights have gone out. Good luck with that!
You are absolutely right! It hasn't been successful anywhere in the world and they have an energy crisis as a direct result of renewables. Russia and France are doing well. France is selling so much of its nuclear power that it's increasing the number of nuclear power plants.
Much like Andrew Bolt, it's useful life is over.
The argument just presented to you is too hard to understand isn't it? MORON!
Agree. It's irresponsible to use coal today.
Has this anything to do with China?
Seeing China owns the power stations and their coal supply for the next 99 years …
I’m guessing YES
Welcome to the Pre Industrial Dark Ages.
No no no no don’t close It are you mad
Let’s hope the giant battery is an Energizer & not an Eveready !!!
It's a joke!
In a Liberal state, no-less, with the NSW Treasurer and Energy Minister Matt Kean saying NSW’s energy supply will be secured through a “super” battery.
He's a Green in reality. Sadly they have infiltrated the major parties and the Independents. He never did explain why he gave ten million dollars to the largest wind turbine manufacturer in China.
This is self sabotage
Yep. Not shooting our feet off. But It's worse. More like shooting our heads off.
Stupid to shot down coal power stations without building nuclear power plant first. The renewable s cannot t support the major needs of homes and industries.
Look at Germany, which closed down the coal power plants without building nuclear power plants first and wanting to develop and rely on green renewables, - Germany found they need to rely on the natural gas supply from Russia without any alternative power source.
It is best to have multiple power sources , don't close coal power plants and start building nuclear power stations.
I suppose prices won't go up , they can't charge for what they can't provide
flog after flog after flog...
Coal is just about dead & for every politician and energy retailer whinging about it. You all rode the wave of profit and did absolutely stuff all for the best part of 3 decades.
Selling off our now highly inefficient transmissions lines was pretty much the nail in the coffin.
Even the renewable golden child Elon Musk said building new coal fire plants in Australia as oppose to doing nothing would’ve produced far cheaper electricity.
I see alot of opposition 10 comments and only 3 to see.
I just despair at the stupidity of this.
This is super crap news.
Yeah, they didn't even mention the fact that nothing Australia does is going to make an ounce of difference to the worlds climate and that's even if you accept the theory of man made CO2 emissions causing global warming, oops I mean "climate change".
So glad I’ve got a diesel generator big enough to power my whole property and still have reserves to help out the neighbours if they drop over some extension leads
seen the guy running his big diesel genset on wood from around his property, not logs, but sticks , leaves and other crappy stuff made into pellets and fed to his gasifier? search gasifiers ect to get the idea , it may be essential knoledge soon .....
*and non financially viable
There i fixed it for you
Stop ridiculous wasteful subsidies and start building more coal, gas and uranium power stations. Spread the risk, and invest now so that our economy can grow! And of course, earn much needed revenue by exporting these fuels.
Excellent assessment
LCOE proves beyond reasonable doubt that everything this bloke said was complete rubbish.
Retain the coal power plants , and build nuclear power plants they are the comparative advantages of Australia, because Australia has plenty of cheap abundant coal and abundant underground . uranium
Do you know how much carbon is released by mining uranium and coal?
This guy needs his head read
Will be the same old thing. The corporate will completely fk the power grid then walk away and leave the taxpayer to foot the bill for billions to fix it while the corporate walk away. Done it with so many other things before.
Keep poisoning my air; we’ll see how you get on!
Who is poisoning the air and with what? Be specific.
@@mickoz9389 when you burn coal, it poisoned my air.
@@guineapigzed I see.
I thought I was taking the red pill to get out of the movie the matrix. I’ve come to realize with our current world leaders I’m stuck in the movie dumb and dumber.
So, what's Morrison and his woke Libs doing (saying) about this .... blame China or listen to Greta?
fun fact :- there is hundreds [ probably millions but im being conservative and too lazy to do the math for this comment] of times more energy locked up in the ash from coal power stations in thorium than we got from burning the coal! wouldnt that be a thing of beauty, burn the coal, get power, extract the thorium and turn the waste into cement, burn the thorium in a molten salt reactor , get 100x the power, get industrial heat, desalinate water with the waste heat, capture co2 and make diesel / petrol / gas from this abundant energy ! carbon negative, safe, efficient and the big corporations get zero dollars in refuelling contracts! probably why they refuse to do it!
I can smell Matt keans
Clown politics in a Clown World, every single solar panel and wind turbine is built using coal.!
We Must Stop 90 % of All Australian Coal Mining by 2028.
Corporations such as BHP, Anglo American, Glencore, Peabody, Whitehaven, Stanwell, NRG must begin Closures Immediately and Build Renewable Power Stations at Their Mine Sites.
Go Australia Go.
Coal is essential for the renewables industry.
@@margaretarmstrong2445
More than a Thousand Years ago Coal Was Essential to the Advancement of Humankind.
However Humankind, Especially Australians, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, Russians, Canadians and Chinese Must Use Their Brains and Insist BHP, Mitsubishi, Anglo American, Peabody, Stanwell, Glencore, Whitehaven, Adani etc Stop Mining and Burning Coal because We can Get Our Energy from Cleaner Renewable Sources Now.
coal power no longer makes economic sense. solar is cheaper
We will get our power from our solar panels in the daytime and our EV battery at night.
So when you've used the energy from your EV at night how will it be fully charged the next day? The free rapid charging stations won't be free forever. And, what happens if it's a really cloudy day? Or week?
@@margaretarmstrong2445 It doesn't have to be fully charged the next day. The power that we export to the grid during the day is more than double what we use at night. That is the average over 4 cloudy weeks. Solar panels produce power on cloudy days too.
@@glencozens2940 Show me one, just one town with a population of 20,000 or more anywhere on Earth only relying on wind and solar. And that after more than 30 years of trying. Wind and solar are an idiot's pipe dream for generating masses of reliable power 24/7/365. Batteries can't store nearly enough energy to bridge the low or no-production gaps.
@@grasonicus Batteries aren't the only kind of storage there are many more, and they work.
@@glencozens2940 The only other viable one is pumped hydro, which is 80% efficient if the horizontal pumping distance is small. That means building dams at a height, which requires suitable terrain. Certain countries, like Norway and NZ, are more suited to that than Australia. On the other hand, nuclear works everywhere.
East West solar and extremely high voltage transfer plus we have lithium so we must make our own batteries
At the moment there is too much solar power so we can pump water into hydro dams.
We don't need coal
So high voltage DC power will allow us to add many hours to the solar grid
And now a word from our wealthy sponsors. The coal industry is dying. Why, there are cleaner. cheaper and more reliable alternatives that don't kill our water ways or pollute the air. So greedy people built castles of sand and it's crumbling down around them. Skyfool to the rescue, brought to you by uncle Rupert.
How dare the Aussie taxpayer wanting a cleaner future for their kids, huh, Allan? Your just pissed those subsidies aren't going into your pocket.
:I
Jai Hinduja. Ozzies have enough cheap coal to burn for 1,000,000 years
gg
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- Psalm 50: 15
Stop nagging, just do it!