Any time spent listening to Dr. Tyson is always time well spent. He is so good at story telling it doesn't matter what the topic, it will be a good story.
This man has a God given GIFT for teaching!!✨ I am 41yrs old, & have never in my life been interested in anything involving science, yet since finding Dr.Tyson online, I have learned sooooo much!! God Bless, Neil!! 💕
I could watch these two people for many hours. I am very grateful to have come across this very informative and entertaining interview, thanks to whoever made this possible😊
Tyson is a real Hero, he is bridging the gap between people that think Science is not cool by making it cool and even more interesting, he knows how important it is for people to educate themselves on it, Science is the most useful subject in life, for us all to progress as a species.
Been listening to NDT for years. One of the most inspiring human beings. Learning is fun. Facts are fun. Tough questions are encouraged. What i don't know i don't know and as normal as breathing.
There are plenty of people like him, they are the teachers at school, college and university who we remember fondly throughout our lives. They inspire us and because of their talent for teaching others some of their pupils go on to lives studying a subject and encouraging others to do the same. Good teachers deserve more credit and pay in society. Without them we would not know a lot of what we do now. Richard Feynman, Brian Cox, James Burke and others now and in the past have shown the same talent for encouraging us to listen, learn and progress.
@@nigeh5326 There might be plenty like him, but unfortunately, there are 278 folks who hate reality so much that they went out of their way to downvote this video. I`m afraid the U.S.A. is becoming an Idiocracy if it isn`t already one. C`est la vie! 😢
@@IAMNIVERSE Yes, because he is changing the world. The only reason why the major manufactures are moving to electric vehicles is because they have to in order to not get left behind. If Tesla did not exist, then no major auto manufacturers would be going electric. Also, without Elon, Tesla would have failed. Tesla succeeded because of his vision. He is also changing the world by making reusable rockets that land instead of falling into the ocean. this is making access to space extremely affordable. Underground tunnels haven’t caught on yet, but I’m hoping they will because I believe they are a brilliant idea and could potentially revolutionize transportation if the idea catches fire. He is also making humanized robots and implanting computer chips into people’s brains. He is very much on the cutting edge.
@@mikemccormick6128 I agree with a lot of what you mentioned (I'm surprised you mentioned the tunnels company because no one does), but he's not actually making anything, he's giving money to creators of cool things and taking credit--big difference, historically speaking. There are non-famous people/companies doing things that he is the frontman for, such as sy chron (which may arguably be better than neu alink, I'm not sure).
Neil deGrasse Tyson, You are my inspiration. I am 70 years old and I am inspired to be an astrophysicist and a linguist. Luckily I in live in California and I can go back to school to become my dream and the state will pay for it.
Mr. Tyson is a true scientist. He looks for facts and data, uses his common sense, is funny 😂, and WILLING TO SHARE his findings with us! A delightful human being, open and candid, elevated yet perceptionally common for all of us to enjoy.
dear NDGT, in reference to the end of this interview, i am doing what i love right now: sitting in my garage, smoking, drinking sparkling wine watching YOU on youtube. that's what i love doing so thank you for another great evening! :-)
Dr. Tyson, you've been my intellectual mentor for years - this is the only time I gotta call you out on your pronunciation of cacOphony! (If that's the only thing I ever caught you on in these many years, you're doing pretty good! All-in-all, you're a gift to humanity!!! ;-)
Nobody is perfect we all have variations in the way we pronounce words depending on where we live, who we grew up with, our class etc. Some Americans pronounce the word leisure as leizure which to my British ears sounds off just as Americans say zee for the letter Z but Brits say zed 😊. It’s all relative and given Dr NDT’s talents for bringing science to the masses I think we can forgive him lol
Neil deGrasse Tyson towers in our generation as a beacon - in the full sense of a monumental lighthouse - lighting the way to true scientific curiosity, thrills, and enlightenment, and even more importantly, warning a world of unwary souls away from the shoals of superstition, misinformation, and narrow mindedness. He is a giant as a scientist and teacher, and equally so as a person.
I wish so much that my granddaughter would have a teacher like Dr.Tyson .if only the teachers had the passion he does when talking about the Universe. The teacher they have ,lack passion and skills how to Teach , to share information with the teens.
I agree that we need skilled ,passionate educators . But just as much ,children who are interested in science and parents who encourage and nurture said interest.
I’ve had so many wonderful experiences through Dr.Tyson. Many thanks to you, for your descriptive abilities, intelligence, crazy humor, and to the memory of your amazing mother.
This is what worries me. It seems there are very few, if any people… following his footsteps. When he is gone from this earth, I fear that we will have nobody to replace him and therefore… Be an earth left without critical thinkers. People who don’t just go with the flow, but question everything to get the correct answer. Not just the right answer for the right people. Which is a very scary prospect. Are people even going into the science field anymore? engineering, yes. But you don’t hear about many people making science their major. It seems everybody wants to be famous or infamous. Very few of those critical thinkers left. Because they are letting the establishment think for them. While they figure out ways to become rich and buy the things they want to buy. Which is worrisome for the future.
@@MeltWithUthere are others but the media world we now live in is based on celebrity not knowledge. I get annoyed when I see people who are known only as celebrities or performers asked their opinions on politics, economics, science etc. Only fools listen to these modern jesters on such matters. But in the modern world it seems people are more and more focused on what entertains them rather than what will educate them. No im not a killjoy I enjoy being entertained as much as anyone. But I don’t see why I should listen to an entertainer, a model etc about things they know little about. You wouldn’t go to a doctor if your car won’t start so why ask a celebrity about academic subjects?
@@matthewcairns2493 agreed people get v insecure about themselves when they meet people who have higher intelligence, better personalities and can communicate as Neil De Grosse Tyson does. The man is a master at delivering scientific knowledge to a population that struggles to understand it. Brian Cox is another great communicator imo
Watching this from Ghana. This man right here is the reason I love astronomy so much more than I used to back in high school.. the perspective he sends my mind's eye to is simply amazing. Neil Degrasse Tyson, I'm your biggest fan in Ghana, West Africa.
This is a Great Show with the Amazing Neil DeGrasse. The Curious mind and finding the enjoyment being knowledgeable on discovering about Life and Society 😊
Both these people are AWESOME! I would love to spend a few years hanging around them, or listening to the continuation of this conversation/interview. Leslie should be interviewed at length, too!!
I wish Neil was my next door neighbour and when I'm in the garden at night we would have chats over the fence, I'd be out there all night not wanting to go to bed, this man is truly a gift. The way he explains and articulates information gets everyone engaged, inspired and looking up. If he was teaching me in school i'd learn! without a doubt he'd get the message through, and I dare say that if he walked into a school now in a place where no one wanted to learn anything, after 10 minutes he would have generated 30+ gum chewing adolescents into something they'd never even heard of, maths, science etc are the scary subjects at school, the ones kids say "thats boring" who would ever come out of a room with this guy and say that again in their lives! He has a gift, his mind is brilliant but he's also charismatic, charming and relatable. Neil - you are 100% on my Christmas card list (if I knew where to send one) but you know what I mean, you're a legend. X
Tyson statement on neurodiversity is brilliant and bravely spoken. I’ve been writing poetry for 23 yrs to help all mankind find joy and change lives. If I hadn’t had daily epilepsy for the last 39 years, I would have never become the author I am. I love my epilepsy.
The fact that we are made out of the same ingredients that's out there in a cosmos makes me more grateful than my creator created me and it makes me feel more special
Never a dull moment....so animated and insightful. Off the radar....has anybody noticed missing earrings on Dr. S before 49 mins and reappearing again post that
He's a great influencer, and i mean "influencer" in the most sincere manner. Through 4 decades he's been influencing students to go into the sciences and adults to be inspired to learn about the natural world.Just like Sagan before him. 👍🏽
Good morning 92NY Lesley and Neil Super dynamic shared conversation. Geopolitics so need to grow up or break up, me thinks. Truly grateful for your sensemaking. Sanity brain gym indeed. Thankyou. 😀 💜
thanks! to CBS moderator and icon of 60 Minutes Ms. Lesley Stahl 🌹and knockout Astrophysicist Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson 🌕 for both of their illuminating views of how humans beings strive to continue to live on 🌍and reach for the ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐✝
Very inspirational, and reminds me of my past education. Due to an accident in middle school records, i was forced to take special math in high school. My course was electronics, and my guidance counselor told me i was going to be failure because i didnt have the math background to handle electronics math. After the 3rd visit i tore up the passes and only went back on graduation week. Where starting class of electronics was 32 students, graduating class, 5 and i was in the top 3.
I've watched this guy for so long I have watched him grow old. He has a talent for relaying information that everyone can understand - he doesn't flaunt his intelligence.
Any time spent listening to Dr. Tyson is always time well spent. He is so good at story telling it doesn't matter what the topic, it will be a good story.
Dr. Tyson is always an inspiration for living, learning, thinking. Thank you forthis podcast!
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I always love listening to Tyson's sound reasoning.
This man has a God given GIFT for teaching!!✨ I am 41yrs old, & have never in my life been interested in anything involving science, yet since finding Dr.Tyson online, I have learned sooooo much!! God Bless, Neil!! 💕
Wow, great interview Lesley Stahl with the great Neil deGrasse Tyson. Thank you both
what wq\as so great about the lady? dumb!
I have watched many of Dr. Tyson's interviews but this was one of the best interviews I ever saw.
What an amazing person! I wish this was longer
you have Neil's RUclips channel, called 'StarTalk', with tons of hours of his content, and still active
I could watch these two people for many hours. I am very grateful to have come across this very informative and entertaining interview, thanks to whoever made this possible😊
The information from Dr. Tyson is one of the main reasons I watch RUclips information podcasts. Thank you
You and me both!
Rofl 🤡🤡🐑🐑
@@arknan9624yet here you are
same here!
Imo, Neil is full of hot air! But, each to their own....🥴
Lesley, best interview yet! Thanks!
The interview is interesting, My first time to watch Lesley, stay safe and take care!
The Passion he brings is Amazing ❤
Yes, he really pumps me up too~!!!
Tyson is a real Hero, he is bridging the gap between people that think Science is not cool by making it cool and even more interesting, he knows how important it is for people to educate themselves on it, Science is the most useful subject in life, for us all to progress as a species.
42:28 So impressed he just pulled that Edgar Mitchell quote out of thin air - what a delivery! Classic NDT-in-a-nutshell moment.
It's in his books, I've read two, it's one of his favorite quotes he likes to pull out. Very powerful statement.
Been listening to NDT for years. One of the most inspiring human beings. Learning is fun. Facts are fun. Tough questions are encouraged. What i don't know i don't know and as normal as breathing.
We saw Dr. Tyson in Tampa, 2 hour show. If you get a chance to see him in person you will not be disappointed.
My wife took me as a birthday treat!
@@oldgymrat71now that is a great birthday present.
When I was married my ex used to get me a card and a shirt 😊
Howw tho? He sells shows?
@@oldgymrat71 HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!🎂💐
lucky you!
The ending made me cry: “when you’re in love you want to tell the world.” I love Lesley and I really love Neil.
I've watched and listened to Ms. Stahl over the decades. It is wonderful to see her moderating this discussion.
Humanity is so much better for having Mr Tyson in our ranks. If only there were more like him.
Amen to that!👍🏻
I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is so funny and so excellent at explaining how to think scientifically.
There are plenty of people like him, they are the teachers at school, college and university who we remember fondly throughout our lives.
They inspire us and because of their talent for teaching others some of their pupils go on to lives studying a subject and encouraging others to do the same.
Good teachers deserve more credit and pay in society. Without them we would not know a lot of what we do now.
Richard Feynman, Brian Cox, James Burke and others now and in the past have shown the same talent for encouraging us to listen, learn and progress.
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@@nigeh5326 There might be plenty like him, but unfortunately, there are 278 folks who hate reality so much that they went out of their way to downvote this video. I`m afraid the U.S.A. is becoming an Idiocracy if it isn`t already one. C`est la vie! 😢
Thanks for this talk, very uplifting in such fraught times.
Watching from Palau 🇵🇼!
You are a true Ambassador for planet earth 🌏 peace! Thanks
The true ambassador of planet earth, yes.
nontalent , and a selfabsorbal unfunny fool,-
Hi from 🇰🇿
Aloha Palau 🇵🇼
Thanks Lesley...great discussion with my favorite astrophysicist...Neil.
I would love to meet Neil just to say thank you!!! ❤️
YES~~Wouldn't that be something~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's absolutely fascinating and so huggable too, I'd probably be stuck to him for an awkwardly long time. Erm... Security... lol Bless him.
He might me the smartest one but he ain't getting out of my hug trap.
Thank you both for the joy & hope! Listening to an interesting interview and conversation made my day.
Wonderful interview! Love listening to Dr. Tyson.
His passion is a beauty to behold. I’ve seen him in person and he’s amazing
100 years from now people will be talking and quoting Dr. Tyson as he becomes a historical figure.
500 years from now, people will be reading about Elon Musk in Middle School history class.
@@mikemccormick6128 10 years from now Elon will be a business case example of how you can screw up a brand and lose all your money.
@@mikemccormick6128 For what reason would Elon be taught about in History class, do you imagine?
@@IAMNIVERSE Yes, because he is changing the world. The only reason why the major manufactures are moving to electric vehicles is because they have to in order to not get left behind. If Tesla did not exist, then no major auto manufacturers would be going electric. Also, without Elon, Tesla would have failed. Tesla succeeded because of his vision. He is also changing the world by making reusable rockets that land instead of falling into the ocean. this is making access to space extremely affordable. Underground tunnels haven’t caught on yet, but I’m hoping they will because I believe they are a brilliant idea and could potentially revolutionize transportation if the idea catches fire. He is also making humanized robots and implanting computer chips into people’s brains. He is very much on the cutting edge.
@@mikemccormick6128 I agree with a lot of what you mentioned (I'm surprised you mentioned the tunnels company because no one does), but he's not actually making anything, he's giving money to creators of cool things and taking credit--big difference, historically speaking. There are non-famous people/companies doing things that he is the frontman for, such as sy chron (which may arguably be better than neu alink, I'm not sure).
Neil deGrasse Tyson, You are my inspiration. I am 70 years old and I am inspired to be an astrophysicist and a linguist. Luckily I in live in California and I can go back to school to become my dream and the state will pay for it.
Lesley, thank you for NOT interrupting as so many others often do.
Well she is a professional. Most arent they are just playing the part
Your joking right? She interrupted quite a bit
Leslie knows when she has a pro. No need to interrupt Neil...he's a one man show!
Mr. Tyson is a true scientist. He looks for facts and data, uses his common sense, is funny 😂, and WILLING TO SHARE his findings with us! A delightful human being, open and candid, elevated yet perceptionally common for all of us to enjoy.
Neal is so passionate about his work and the world. That makes him an interesting person to listen to.
41:00 I never get tired of hearing him relate this.
my favourite birthday gift would be to spend a week or more, nonstop with niel degrasse tyson. listening to him is understanding.
dear NDGT, in reference to the end of this interview, i am doing what i love right now: sitting in my garage, smoking, drinking sparkling wine watching YOU on youtube. that's what i love doing so thank you for another great evening! :-)
that's great
Good luck to you as long as what you are doing doesn’t harm others or interfere with their activities go for it 👍
Wonderful experience! Much gratitude!!
We Are The Universe. ❤
Two of my Favorite people Thank You ,,,,llc
He is a TEACHER. No more honorable task then teaching people and he LOVES IT! Thank you DOC!
Dr Tyson makes science as adorable as he is.
The universe is kinda funny doesn't it
I think this is Neil de grasse Tyson best interview ever ❤ thank you
Leslie is a wonderful interviewer.
Thank you very much for program
The Universe is alive within us. Neil deGrasse Tyson, if only every leader and every empowered entrepreneur would keep that in mind, daily.
True that! We are the children of the stars!
Alive in us? How so? Nonsense.
@@Michael-ni9di Because we are all made by and within the thermodynamic laws of the Universe, "you twitt."
I enjoyed watching this. Leslie Stahl and Neil deGrasse Tyson have it. 💪💪
As good as it gets! ❤
Dr. Tyson, you've been my intellectual mentor for years - this is the only time I gotta call you out on your pronunciation of cacOphony! (If that's the only thing I ever caught you on in these many years, you're doing pretty good! All-in-all, you're a gift to humanity!!!
;-)
Nobody is perfect we all have variations in the way we pronounce words depending on where we live, who we grew up with, our class etc.
Some Americans pronounce the word leisure as leizure which to my British ears sounds off just as Americans say zee for the letter Z but Brits say zed 😊.
It’s all relative and given Dr NDT’s talents for bringing science to the masses I think we can forgive him lol
Just one word! "Aluminium" (maybe 2) "soder" !!!
I need to listen to Dr Tyson - all day long!!!!
He has tons of talks. Check out his congressional one.
Neil deGrasse Tyson towers in our generation as a beacon - in the full sense of a monumental lighthouse - lighting the way to true scientific curiosity, thrills, and enlightenment, and even more importantly, warning a world of unwary souls away from the shoals of superstition, misinformation, and narrow mindedness.
He is a giant as a scientist and teacher, and equally so as a person.
I just watched you and Leslie Stahl you are valuable
I love the way Lesley Stahl conducted this interview, this is one of her best.
I wish so much that my granddaughter would have a teacher like Dr.Tyson .if only the teachers had the passion he does when talking about the Universe. The teacher they have ,lack passion and skills how to Teach , to share information with the teens.
I agree that we need skilled ,passionate educators . But just as much ,children who are interested in science and parents who encourage and nurture said interest.
I’ve had so many wonderful experiences through Dr.Tyson. Many thanks to you, for your descriptive abilities, intelligence, crazy humor, and to the memory of your amazing mother.
I feel inspired❤
Love from India
The intellectual heir of Carl Sagan…we need many more especially in the younger generations…Also Stahl is 82!!
This is what worries me. It seems there are very few, if any people… following his footsteps. When he is gone from this earth, I fear that we will have nobody to replace him and therefore… Be an earth left without critical thinkers. People who don’t just go with the flow, but question everything to get the correct answer. Not just the right answer for the right people. Which is a very scary prospect. Are people even going into the science field anymore? engineering, yes. But you don’t hear about many people making science their major.
It seems everybody wants to be famous or infamous. Very few of those critical thinkers left. Because they are letting the establishment think for them. While they figure out ways to become rich and buy the things they want to buy. Which is worrisome for the future.
Absolutely! Thank you for saying that. ❤
Lesley crushed.
Wow! I had no idea.
@@MeltWithUthere are others but the media world we now live in is based on celebrity not knowledge.
I get annoyed when I see people who are known only as celebrities or performers asked their opinions on politics, economics, science etc.
Only fools listen to these modern jesters on such matters.
But in the modern world it seems people are more and more focused on what entertains them rather than what will educate them.
No im not a killjoy I enjoy being entertained as much as anyone. But I don’t see why I should listen to an entertainer, a model etc about things they know little about.
You wouldn’t go to a doctor if your car won’t start so why ask a celebrity about academic subjects?
How can someone hate Dr Tyson. He is just absolutely an ideal human being.
Ignorance finds a way.😂
Because he told us Pluto isn’t a planet lol
Nobody hates Dr. Tyson.
The only people that hate him are the ones insecure about their intelligence and confidence, I find.
@@matthewcairns2493 agreed people get v insecure about themselves when they meet people who have higher intelligence, better personalities and can communicate as Neil De Grosse Tyson does.
The man is a master at delivering scientific knowledge to a population that struggles to understand it.
Brian Cox is another great communicator imo
Watching this from Ghana. This man right here is the reason I love astronomy so much more than I used to back in high school.. the perspective he sends my mind's eye to is simply amazing. Neil Degrasse Tyson, I'm your biggest fan in Ghana, West Africa.
another brilliant interview from Tyson ! thank you!
So much respect Sir...no words!
This is a Great Show with the Amazing Neil DeGrasse. The Curious mind and finding the enjoyment being knowledgeable on discovering about Life and Society 😊
maybe greatness has no bounds. Thanks for exposing yourself to us. I appreciate your, may all continue to be well for you.
Both these people are AWESOME! I would love to spend a few years hanging around them, or listening to the continuation of this conversation/interview. Leslie should be interviewed at length, too!!
Thanks Leslie and Neil! Two beautiful people in a great conversation!
The best personal interview that I have ever watched.
Lesley Stahl you are an angel, must be joy to be with. Living to meet you. Love
NDT Is probably one of the best ambassadors for science making it real for everyday people.
I wish Neil was my next door neighbour and when I'm in the garden at night we would have chats over the fence, I'd be out there all night not wanting to go to bed, this man is truly a gift. The way he explains and articulates information gets everyone engaged, inspired and looking up. If he was teaching me in school i'd learn! without a doubt he'd get the message through, and I dare say that if he walked into a school now in a place where no one wanted to learn anything, after 10 minutes he would have generated 30+ gum chewing adolescents into something they'd never even heard of, maths, science etc are the scary subjects at school, the ones kids say "thats boring" who would ever come out of a room with this guy and say that again in their lives! He has a gift, his mind is brilliant but he's also charismatic, charming and relatable. Neil - you are 100% on my Christmas card list (if I knew where to send one) but you know what I mean, you're a legend. X
Tyson knocks it out of the park... Good job sir.
It is always a joy to hear Dr. Tyson. He is inspiring in ways that go way beyond cosmology. This was a really good discussion, thankyou!
Tyson statement on neurodiversity is brilliant and bravely spoken. I’ve been writing poetry for 23 yrs to help all mankind find joy and change lives. If I hadn’t had daily epilepsy for the last 39 years, I would have never become the author I am. I love my epilepsy.
A lot of wonderful people came from the Bronx. Neil is just one of them.
The fact that we are made out of the same ingredients that's out there in a cosmos makes me more grateful than my creator created me and it makes me feel more special
Fascinating and powerful dialogue from two individuals at the top of their game.
I just loved this!
Never a dull moment....so animated and insightful. Off the radar....has anybody noticed missing earrings on Dr. S before 49 mins and reappearing again post that
I’m fortunate to be alive in the same time frame with Dr.Tyson. #CosmicPerspective 🌍
Thank you for teaching us about our whole reality.
Yes he is a beautiful and kind person. Thank you for sharing this stimulating discussion
What a great discussion! Thanks to everyone involved.👍
Incredible as usual 😊
My mind is forever blown 🤯
He's a great influencer, and i mean "influencer" in the most sincere manner. Through 4 decades he's been influencing students to go into the sciences and adults to be inspired to learn about the natural world.Just like Sagan before him.
👍🏽
Great stuff! 👍
I 2nd Leslie, you are a beautiful person whose joy and humor is contagious..the finest kind of contagious!!!❤
This was one of his best conversations that I’ve seen. Excellent
Good morning 92NY Lesley and Neil
Super dynamic shared conversation.
Geopolitics so need to grow up or break up, me thinks.
Truly grateful for your sensemaking.
Sanity brain gym indeed.
Thankyou.
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"Sanity brain gym.." for sure (my new expression). 👌
whatt a great talk and great questions!!!!!!!
And thank you Mr Neil for being my teacher on astrophysics.
thanks! to CBS moderator and icon of 60 Minutes Ms. Lesley Stahl 🌹and knockout Astrophysicist Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson 🌕
for both of their illuminating views of how humans beings strive to continue to live on 🌍and reach for the ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐✝
Amazing talk thank you 😊❤️
Another RUclips gem that needs to be shared with your friends. Pass it on,
Very inspirational, and reminds me of my past education. Due to an accident in middle school records, i was forced to take special math in high school. My course was electronics, and my guidance counselor told me i was going to be failure because i didnt have the math background to handle electronics math. After the 3rd visit i tore up the passes and only went back on graduation week. Where starting class of electronics was 32 students, graduating class, 5 and i was in the top 3.
Neil, you should be the President of the USA, and of the Cosmic Universe
EXCELLENT VIDEO, PRESENTATIONS, SPACE RESEARCH, DISCUSSIONS, INFORMATIONS....🎉
I love listening to the knowledge that Dr. Neil Degrass Tyson has. I saw him when he came to Richmond and I just loved his show. Keep us informed! ❤
I've watched this guy for so long I have watched him grow old. He has a talent for relaying information that everyone can understand - he doesn't flaunt his intelligence.
both are great in this interview,
Great stuff!
Just loved this conversation ❤❤❤❤❤
I love when Dr Tyson pauses for a sec to find the best word to continue his sentence.
Lesley Stahl is 82 and still strikingly beautiful!!
Love love love Neil !!!!❤
i could listen to dr. tyson for-e-v-e-rrrr...his ease of explaining anything just enthralls my interest..
"Then back when Columbus was okay". That made me chuckle so much.
But how long before people say, "back when Jesus was okay."