In the early 90s there was a MIDI-controlled coffee mascine (on/off) in the studio of a friend, controlled by C-Lab Creator. Not sure which brand that was, I think Miele or AEG ;-)
@@kaitsu9608 yes, it would somehow :D (But the coffee machine was in the kitchen anyway). The funny thing was that nobody had drunk coffee ... but he had a midified coffee machine: D
ADHD Synth agreed. I realize I forgot a Tap Tempo button. It would be great to even have something like a looping pedal option. Just hold it down and release when you want the loop to start.
Back in the 80's, I've owned many 'analog' synths that nowadays would give some people a hard on. Sold them all for a lot of money. M12, Chroma, P5, VS, Mini, OB8, and many more. What Behringer and other manufacturers do, is to catch (mainly) young people making them (mis)believe that these analog synths are kinda magical. That they sound 'better', warmer or whatever(which is not) It's a hype. (i.e. TR909 or TB303 that go ridiculous prices) Blind tests at university level have proven that people simply can not hear the difference. And to be honest Steven, you are the best example that proves that it's not about the kitchen, but all about the cook. I have no analog synths left, and I don't regret. My latest purchase is a Novation Summit. IMHO, (and many others ) It's been since the release of the Virus (ABCTI) that a synth has been made with such a sweet, wide, deep, dark, shiny, crispy, naughty, aggressive palette, that every 'serious' synth-lover should own one...check it out. And yes, I've tried the DM. And sold it after 5 days and bought a Peak. Followed by the Summit.
Joe Sayle I have two CS-80s. Invested a ton and just recently had to buy a fully pristine CS-60 to dismantle for parts to keep them going. They are amazing. No kidding, there is nothing like them. Most owners I know have more than one as they are afraid to be stuck with a non working one. If Behringer somehow manages to keep the absolutely true magic that happens whilst playing this synth, I’d gladly endure the depreciation of these beasts. They pull the power of nine traditional flagship synths out of the socket. A lot of that magic happens when all those electrons are sifting through the machine. We’ll see. Happy new year!
Joe Sayle Any attempt to work an analog (or even digital, hybrid etc ) attempt to recreate the CS-80, should be considered valiant. They shot for the moon, but like most, have to compromise areas as the workings inside an actual CS-80 are inefficient (but beautiful to me), this cacophony of wires and electronics takes about 30 actual minutes to heat up. When it does, something happens to the sound as well. The squelchy cutting tone turns into magic, as the poly aftertouch extracts the nuances of what’s going on inside. If Behringer falls short of exactness, maybe they’ll come across their own magic sound. In that event, that is my hope. Most people who get to play one usually just try to do Bladerunner etc, as it is intimidating to create something new without trying to showcase the poly AT and their own musicianship, showing that they are deserving of playing one. The truth is, and I mean this to all that would get one if Behringer succeeds, you do not have to be a virtuoso. Even we’ll thought out simple playing is rewarded in a way that is never showcased. I put a phone recording of a five measure song core I looped with the CS-80, and a hint of Memorymoog on Instagram a few days ago trying to illustrate this. I am TheSynthesizerGrouch.
Just missed one thing...the all important back of the synth. I/O ! gotta have stereo audio input, so we can use the amazing multi-FX section with external audio sources. If they really wanted to go all out and one-up the competition, it could have USB audio with the option to send the external processed audio signal back out on it’s own channel, separate from the internal synth. (either via USB or one of two pairs of L/R analog outs) They could also develop something like Elektron’s overbridge, so we can use the synth as a VST. From what I understand, these modern VCO’s are usually auto tuned by a DSP chip at certain intervals (not constantly like a DCO) .give the user an option to disable that auto-tuning, providing the user a button or menu option to tune OSCs when needed.
A vocoder section, a breath controller section and also a real-time looper with at least 5 minutes of looping time and 2 buttons record, overdub and stop erase.
Perhaps the best feature of DeepMind for me is the adjustable slope for each stage of the envelopes. Just that feature alone makes it possible to change sounds more effectively than many more powerful synths. The difference between a straight line, a concave curve, and a concave curve is immense--unfortunately Behringer haven't made them very intuitive to quickly edit from the front panel, but by adjusting the values in the envelope menu you can emulate just about any envelope style from other synths. Keeping that functionality (and improving it with a knob for each segment to directly adjust the curve separately and simultaneously with the time parameter) is something I want to see on every Behringer synth--and ones from other manufacturers, too. I would go even further to add slope curves to the filters as well--12dB and 24dB are all good, but changing the slope/curve on either side of a center point suddenly would give you tremendous sound shaping potential--for instance, a lowpass filter with a very gradual curve joined with just a custom high pass trim to take out lows below 50Hz to allow more room for the bass, all in one filter.
About time someone made a wishlist/ dreamsynth video! thank you sir! I would like to posit 2 features of my own: 1- jogwheel for data entry (it's so smooth to move quickly or slow down for fine movements) 2- who was it that used that "traveler"-style control whereby a slider controls a value amount as always, but there are "side sliders" above and below the main slider which limit both the physical travel of the main slider as well as the floor and ceiling of the control value itself? So not just the amplitude of a control signal can be adjusted, but both the positive and negative peaks- independently!
I played all the new clones like Prophet X, Brute,Quantum, Grandmother etc. and I came to the conclusion that everyone sounded more or less very similar. With eyes closed, it made no difference if I played a Moog or Waldorf clone, respectively I couldn`t really say what synth I actually played. In the 80s I also played the originals and each thing had its own sound character and charme. You could really tell the difference. This individualism is somehow almost completely absent today. Of course, today it's actually impossible to create a completely different sounding synth. So it is about implementing techniques in a device that lets you experience the old familiar practically new. So I wished that different synthesis interfaces and generators would be implemented in one device so that you can switch and combine between them. You wanted your synth sounding like a Wavestation and have that kind of vector sequences ? Just push the button. You wanted your synth sounding like a Moog, Synclavier, Fairlight, CS80,Wave PPG ? Just push the button...and combine it all together. (The Hybrid`s goes a little in that direction...but without having that sound of old vintage charme). For me, there`s no need for another clone of a CS80, Jupiter 8 etc. if they all sound very similar anyway. I just wanted a synth which includes different programmable synths in one device (not a simple sampler...but including a sampler, too). And if Behringer does it, please use a well playable keyboard ;-)
So you basically want a box that let's you switch and combine different types of synthesis by pushing a few buttons? We already have that - it's called a DAW. ;)
@@-VCO- Yep, we`ve got DAW`s...but I want that in one hardware synth. I don`t want a single clone that sounds like a version of a Moog etc.I want a synth that could emulate all different synths in just one hardware device... and I don`t mean not only the sound-character...I mean things like vector sequencing from wavestation, patch-editing from synclavier, arp`s from analog synths etc.
3 osc, 2 filters (parralel or serie) low pass, band pass, high pass 12/24 dB + comb filter sliding, 4 DADSR + Adjusting the time (start and time) of the envelopes by pressing or vélocity on the keyboard, 3 LFO, effects, stéréo out, osc phase shift, osc sync, fm, eight voice polyphony
I really hope they make desktop versions of everything. Won‘t have 10+ keybeds cluttering my studio, there‘s already enough companies that never do synths w/o keybeds.
I think it’d be awesome if they branched out and built a killer modern drum machine/groove box. Digital/Analog hybrid, something with enough depth to attract Elektron (or Synthstrom Audible) fans.
4:19 Oscillator shape shifting is technically easy to do. Use Log/Lin/Exp curves to morph between Square/Tri/Pulse and adjust the duty cycle to slide between Saw/Tri/RevSaw.
I spoke to some guys at Behringer last week and they will announce a new analog 12 voice polysynth before Xmas. I heard some of the demos and this is the OB-X, P5 and Jupiter 8 killer because it can do all these 3 synths can do. At the same time they are still working on the CS-80 clone as well.
Replace the sequencer with a BBD circuit, and place a switchable passive jensen transformer over the output stage, leading to bal. xlr output... No usb either, just midi and cv. +kettle-lead power, NO WALLWARTS, or external psu... The filter section could be a eurorack powered slot, - with the manufacturer providing their own filter options cw ribbon cable usage for normalized operation of vcf.
The great thing about 2019+ is that you can just gather a dream team and crowdfund something yourself. The 8 Bit Guy did it with his dream 80's computer. It just requires constant love and care.
a lot of cool stuff here. I like the staggered knobs for each osc. One thing I would love would be a synth that makes use of the montage/Kronos touch screen but would have 2 dedicated screens for the envelopes. Always on for visual feedback and you can use the knobs to program or just click the points and drag. A luxury sure but would be awesome to work with. I'd also love a knob that adjusts the envelope curve like the one in sonic academy's ANA2 soft synth so you can really fine tune those plucks, stabs or basslines. And since most envelopes are digital anyhow I don't see how this would be too difficult to implement (even the prophet 6 has digital envelopes.) Its fun to day dream and nerd out about this stuff.
Hasn’t the idea been kicked around that they are going to re-create a Jupiter 8? That of course would be the sickest analog synth on the planet, and a dream come true to have in my studio.
@@FoxGAMING-NTF There seem to be all sorts of things cooking in Behringers' kitchen. They have the UB-Xa still coming up, and the DS-80, as well as the Prophet 600 clone kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if a fully fledged Prophet 5 and Jupiter 8 replica was in the works as well. It almost like a given that all those synths will see the day of light sooner or later.
It should have all that stuff and be multitimbral -- supporting split keyboard, multipatch arrangements, layering, separate effect per layer etc.. Also don't forget an arp per layer;)
my main gripe with most poly-synths with patch memory is that the panel doesn't (and can't) update when one changes patches. I'm convinced endless encoders (rotary) with light rings indicating position is where it's at. I often dream of someone implementing the so called "saturn ring" knobs from NI's Massive with 2 or more color coded lit rings per knob (the preposterously expensive waldorf quantum is the closest thing i can think of that does this).
Right now they are still in the learning phase copying the most iconic synths . In the end they will have all the knowledge to build the flagship to rule them all ... I am very excited about the PPG, but also I don’t have space for so many keyboard so I’m hoping for modules
I like your ideas! It’s funny you mention the poly 800 adrsdsdssr (or something lol) i still don’t really get that a 100% on mine haha.. Here are some additional ideas by me (I’d love to hear what you think!): 1) Motorized controls (faders, knobs, on/off buttons, and yes.. even the switches!) combined with storing/recalling presets which can be loaded/dumped through USB etc. (all the modern-day possibilities). This would be especially useful, maybe even necessary, when there are that many dedicated controls on a synth!.. It would also be pretty nice to use the synth as a plugin (plugout?) in your DAW like Elektron’s Overbridge or Roland Aira (not sure) 2) Different modes for the curves of the envelopes (linear, exponential, inversed exponential, etc.) 3) Also for envelopes: attack time ‘scale’ very fast/normal, ideal for percussion combined with the previous idea. I could go on for a while, it’s fun to brainstorm on this.. :D I’m a software developer and I made a simple softsynth a while back, I feel like picking that up again now.. 🤓
If you’re interested, here’s me explaining the Poly800 filter ruclips.net/video/5DwdB-Huk4w/видео.html You have some great ideas! Motorized controls would make preset recall a breeze. I contemplated including that but they would have to be well built. I know the X32 fader motors can break down after a while... I have separate ideas for an Aria style synth. I might do a video on it soon. Keep brainstorming and if you make another soft synth I’d love to check it!
@@StephenLearson why not 3 envelopes like the DM? also... that's a LOT of filters on one synth haha. But if we are throwing everything in there... why not a wavetable oscillator and FM capabilities???
i think ADSR is missing a D in the beginning, for delay. Envelopes should do nothing until assigned, so that way they can be freely assigned to any destination in the routing matrix. Also, motorized faders for patch recall as well as vertical LED meters by every fader that show modulation happening.
I'd like a Deepmind version 2 that's very similar, with an additional wavetable oscillator and some eurorack compatible CV in/out that's mappable to the mod matrix
I agree with putting multiple filters in synths. The oscillators often seem to be very similar from synth to synth, especially when so many classic synths used the same Curtis chips back in the day. The filters and modulation routings are what gave most synths unique character. Even Korg recognized this with the MS20 kit that gave users the old and newer analog filters.
Give it 128 or 256 note polyphony. So many of these keyboards lack it. 4 or 8 or even 16 voices doesn't cut it. One of the reasons I love the Korg Wavestate
How about the option of linking into a modular system, having patch points and a giant version of Arturia's Rack Brute 6U that attaches to it? Behringer have announced they're going to produce 40 modules, at least for now, and modular racks. Obviously, you can't call it the Peak, so how about the Behringer Behemoth?
Three osc Deepmind 12/16, the same but with more waveshapes for the osc, 3 separate control sequencers for each patch, audio in that you can feed through the filter/envelope/fx. Keyboard control of control sequence so that you can use one of them to record a note sequence. 2000 patches. An editor that also works as a VST (multi instance). Free bag when you buy the synth. Colour screen.
Yes, please! I'd also love to see a separate stereo path from the filters onward like in the Matriarch. Oh, and I REALLY want that "record" feature. It's much easier to use in live improvisational sets than the programming sequencers ... why no record?!
This is great. One of the things Behringer did that I prefer is with the Neutron. Having a software based interface. I'd love all hardware synth makers to stop cramming controls in small screens. Have a port that can plug into a tablet and let me do the deep dive changes on a screen size of my choice. No small screen is helpful, especially when playing live.
Bode frequency shifter would be nice. I am enjoying DeepMind12d, Neutron and Model D, along with Korg MS20mini and Odyssey module. Ready to spend some more on great Behringers.
Here are a few of the "flag-ship" synths I'd like to see Behringer tackle: creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/ *Especially the "Grab n' Go" Workstation Keyboard, "Hybrid Vintage Synth" Module and "Rhythm Section"!
It's quite a dream synth indeed. What about the tone? Should it sound more like an OB-Xa, or any other classic synths? The tone interests me the most. It should sound incredible.
I hope they do. I already have DM12 and Model D, but would love to see a total killer synth for them. They have proven their capability to make one by now. If they release this kind of synth, I will buy it.
Wonderful Dream Video, LP! Sort of like Fantasy Football for us geeks...Very cool. I agree that Behringer did a great job on the DeepMInd. Between the Sledge, the DM, ProX and OB6, we've gotten so many choices, not all fully analog, but all exciting and mutually complementary. Am I weird because I'd prefer the octave select switches to be rotary knobs with click-stops, and the ABDSSR knobs to be sliders on our dream machine? Also maybe the octave switches should be higher, on the main panel rather than the side panel, though that seems to make sense? That octave switch location is one thing the Prophet X has over the DM imho. I keep going to the HOLD and ARP buttons on the DM when I want to switch octaves. You can be holding a note and reach them on the PX. Maybe it was necessitated by the missing octave of keys, but old habits die hard I guess... Thanks again for this great video.
Hi, here's Marc again. I am actually missing quite a few things. LFO waveshape selection. LFO destination routing. Mod destinations (for instance pitch, filter, volume). Osc waveshape mixing (With the layout you propose you would for instance not be able to mix the 1st waveshape of an oscillator with the 3rd). Sync, noise and ring mod only in single hardwired routings? More envelope destinations (for instance pitch). And why not put a loop option into the envelopes? Furthermore the ribbon needs to be as long as the keybaord so one can play complete melodies on it. By the way: Have you already taken a look at the Hydrasynth?
Marc Brassé LFO wave selection buttons are on the far left as I mentioned in the video. I didn’t go into all the routing destinations since the whole synth is based on the DeepMind interface.
MERRY Christmas bro. And HAPPY New Year. Wussup with thst hair do? I hope you get paid or recognized if this synth ever gets made. And itll be very expensive too.
Loose the keypad and increase the display to that whole block making it touch sensitive for further deeper control with a Kaossilator style control option. Add all the usual compliments on the back including a patch bay area. As an option an angled up eurorack can be attached to the back to hold all sorts of nifty little modulars. And to top it all off, Behringer needs to come up with there own version of a Roli style key bed..For a hardware synth!!
Almost the perfect synth....my assumption would be on the output in back, full midi, USB to host, USB data storage, VGA or touchscreen video out... so you don't have to have additional apps. And effects module somewhere, maybe buttons next to the filter buttons. Or just buttonize the like DM. No FM or Wave memory is ok on a classic analog.
Thank you .This is well thought through .However it would be good to bridge software and hardware .What if a synth had a number of connection slots .So for example one slot would be for a massive X type module .And another for a Pigments style slot and so on .I like the Roland Fantom concept with the clip launching .The only thing is. It is MAC friendly and not so much with PC connectivity wise .
Holy GO-WHACK-MY-MOLEY! I just had a synthgasm watching this! If Behringer could come up with that I'd be totally onboard buying for my synth rig. About the only suggestion I would add to that would be to look at implementing the Stephen Kay's KARMA algorithm into it somehow because it is (IMO) of the niftiest pieces of accompaniment logic to come out (it is NOT an arpeggiator) and would take this to the next level. Thanks for sharing!
Great idea! My dream synth would have poly after touch and a nice hammer action keyboard. I prefer hammer action most, and if I want semi weighed keys, I can just use my midi board to control the synth. I’m really hoping that they offer a hammer action version as well as a semi weighted action on the cs80, as it won’t feel as good without it I’m afraid, and there will definitely be people willing to pay the bigger price for hammer action.
Of course they are !!! :) They are off the scale with what they are doing. They have demonstrated with vision and drive you can accomplish a lot. Really has put Roland to shame in the side of things
Also I love the sliders. I do not understand the love for knobs in general. The DM12 has the most intuitive user interface of any synth I have used before and I love the sliders and also like the screen. I would love the interface like you present it.
@Murada well the deal is that a mint condition juno 60 is about 2,500.00 plus tax on ebay or reverb. If behinger cloned it would probably be under 1000.00
@Murada A juno 60 doesn't have midi you need to install a mod for that. For me it's no biggie I can solder and fix electronics but others can't. There is a price difference between the Juno 60 and 106. Those 60's go for nearly 2500 while the 106 go for nearly 1500-2000. Their price has increased. But even soundwise there is a huge difference between a Juno 60 and a Juno 106. The Deepmind 12 is a Juno 106 on steroids but IMHO they should have included a 5 octave keybed with 12 parts multitimbrality, split and layer options. Behringer will make DSI look like a little kid in a wheelchair when they release the OBXa clone. They're also cloning a Prophet 5. Roland didn't want to reissue the JP8, Juno 60 etc. They said they don't chase analog ghosts while Behringer said they do chase analog ghosts. They're doing a great job.
I have a juno 106 and a deepmind. I was considering a deepmind first but decided the real thing was better and got the 106. Then after some time I bought the deepmind 12 as the juno was limited. Don't get me wrong, the juno sounds incredible and cannot be matched by the deepmind 12, but the juno simply cannot do what the deepmind can, so they compliment each other really really well. So in my opinion, both works best. They're very different. Also have a model d and that is great too. Behringer make awesome synths.
@Murada wtf are you smoking? Even 106s are like $1500 now. You can get a DM12 for $500 or less used. Also, it can do sooooo much more than a 106. And on top of that, you aren't even factoring in the maintenance issue... synths that are 40 years old have issues. The Junos especially do as the voice chips fail. Forget all the hassle. Yeah, live it won't sound the same. In a mix, I would be shocked if you can pick out a real Juno from a DM12 set to emulate one. Or you could pick up a System 8 and have a Juno, Jupiter, and JX3P... which would also sound great in a mix. Vintage is overrated. I"ll take modern features and no maintenance costs.
I'm totally thinking what you were man. I think they'll be making another deepmind type of polysynth based on some kind of prior polysynth. Deepmind was a massively expanded Juno 6 sort of. Why not make a massively expanded Jupiter 8 next lol. And dude you need to send this video to behringer lol. What you have shown would be my dream polysynth as well. Lol.
@@MajorOSC It's based on a Juno 106 but it isn't a Juno clone. I hope they'll do a proper Juno 60 clone, with 61 keys, Poly at, 12 voices, multitimbrality + layering. The clones should be as close to the originals, the DP12 is a great synth but the menu diving sucks. If they'll do a JP8 clone it should stay as close as it can to the original. No display, no menu diving etc. What I dislike about the DP12 is the 4 octave keyboard, it should have a 5 octave keyboard. Playing basslines on a 4 octave keybed is annoying. 3-4 octaves are fine for mono synths but not for poly synths.
Where do you find the time for all this? I realize Behringer is known for producing inexpensive products but what you’ve designed will be expensive but awesome!
Yes! I agree with most of the design. My only fear is that they will focus on providing these features and not pay enough attention to the quality of the oscillators.
How about removing the keys altogether and adding the best ideas from the comment section and making it a “master module”. Just plug in an inexpensive controller (or use an existing keyboard from ones collection). BAM! No tiny module knobs in a rack mount - just more real-time studio/live performance features at ones fat fingertips!
Here are a few of the "flagship" synth ideas I'd like to see Behringer consider. Especially, the portable "Grab & Go" Workstation Keyboard. What do you think? creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/
I liked your ideas! Here is what I'd put in: Roland horizontal Bender/Mod and/ or a programmable e-beam. Besides, you did not refer to the rear panel at all: Should't one include a mic input to be able to brutally pimp the array of filters to external voices?
The layout of your idea is just a start, close for sure, but could be expanded on... Imagine what this could be if George from UDO and Uli embraced each others strengths, brain stormed, and did not let anything hold them back, and created the ultimate beast...
I'm not a fan of sliders that will eventually develop scratchy noise issues and difficult gummy sliding despite being covered during non-use. Behringer has had serious issues with faulty mixer's sliders which have affected me directly resulting in replacement. Filter sweeps are annoying with sliders too and one of the things I dislike most about my DM12. I'd prefer to see Behringer copy the Moog or Prophet line of synths. I just think that knobs are more convenient, takes up less surface real estate and are more aesthetically pleasing than sliders. A few sliders are okay though. But each to their own...
That would be one awesome synth that you have designed there but what about some PCM sounds, like thousands of them, to mix with the analogue waves and also an effects panel. I think decent effects are important for today’s sounds. Even the Roland Gaia from back in the day has got one of these. Also a lot of people are into looping and the Casio XWP1 had a phrase builder, step sequence and arpeggiator and the G1 had a external/internal recording looper. Of course very important to get the tuning mechanism right unlike Korg in their latest and greatest.
They have been working on the SH-5 clone for a while now but not talking about it....but then again, this may be the monster DeepMind 24...or the RD-9 finally.
I love my DeepMind 12 Desktop, even though I had a Juno 106 a long time ago and didn’t like it at the time. It has a certain combination of analog warmth and digital sparkle with the arpeggiator and effects engine.
This still got a backlog. The obx-a hasn't been released the vcs3 has not been released. There was a hint about MPC/deluge type of unit would be released I believe it was a Behringer employee that released the photoshopped image
I Really like your thinking on the design. There are a couple (more than 2 actually) of things I would do differently: Osc Pitch and Osc octave need to be in the same panel or combined so that pitch includes octave, thereby saving panel space..in my humble opinion. BTW this also eliminates the need for a detune slider unless that's for that old school out of tune affect that oscilators did when they drifted out of tune back then. Also, I think this next thing was just an oversight, you forgot to label the Amplitude envelope. probably missed because of proximity....no points off for that. Allow digital control by the sliders so that the display shows the numeric values changes as the adjustments are made.....of course this will require someone to write the code for that...this doesn't affect your panel layout though. Next, you could make a 16 voice version and a 32 voice version (with a circuit board add on option). On the 32 voice version you could slide the LFO buttons down slightly allowing room for a mode button which will be labeled Poly (all 32) or 16 +16 dual. This gives you layering...similar to the Nords and the Novation Summit. And Finally, Dude you gotta have digital effects. I'm sure you want to keep the signal as analog as possible, but that's easily done by allowing a blend knob in the effects. You would have to put that in the edit menus for the effects, which would show up in the display as needed. This way you can blend in some of the dry synth signal with the effected return. You could create preset algorithms for Delay(and other modulation effects), Aux/Multi for overdrive, distortion, ring mod...etc and finally Reverb. I'm not trying to step on your Dream synth, I love your imagination......just want to help give you a bigger dream. Disclaimer: no attempt is made to claim royalties for the use of any of these Ideas...LOL. I love this kinda stuff. I'm subscribing b/c you think like me.
I had an idea today for a synth I would love to see: an FPGA synth with programmable digital synthesizer cores. I got this idea from the vintage gaming community's MiSTer project. It uses a very cheap (~$130) Cyclone V-powered De-10 Nano FPGA board and currently emulates everything from the PDP-1 (no kidding, this piece of hardware can play THE ORIGINAL VIDEO GAME Space War, how cool is that?) to most recently the Neo Geo and Sega CD with almost everything in between. It's even got a super awesome Amiga core that can act as a tricked out Amiga and run all the software ever made for it. Commodore 64 is present and accounted for as well, and Atari ST work is ongoing. The company Analogue makes some commercial products like the Super Nt (SNES) and Mega SG (Genesis), which look similar to the original hardware (but smaller and sleeker, with modern amenities like USB power, SD card slot, HDMI, and a multitude of options for modern displays) and have physical controller ports and cartridge slots to run original games (the Mega SG even has the ability to plug into a real Sega CD just like the original Genesis!). But the MiSTer project is entirely open source, meaning once you put the hardware together, you are free to load up any of the hardware cores that the community has created and use them to run images of the original software. So the idea is to create a synth platform around an FPGA. You'd simply buy the hardware and then load whatever cores into it you want to recreate the actual hardware of the original synth (I'm staring at my ESQ-1 right now). It could also utilize extra storage for PCM samples or something like that. Everything from digital oscillators to ROMplers to VA synths could be supported. The De-10 Nano board is probably powerful enough to cover VA synths well into the 2000's if not even beyond that. Synthesizers could be released as software packages that load hardware cores into the FPGA and software samples and algorithms into the build-in storage. A community-driven project is likely the best way to implement this, and given how many talented people there are out there I'd be surprised if some of them hadn't thought of this already. I think the hard part would be coming up with the algorithms for stuff like VA synths, any kind of deep software programming within the original hardware is likely proprietary and hard to come by. But in terms of replicating digital circuitry, it should be relatively easy given what we've seen the community already accomplish with MiSTer. The best part about the MiSTer project is that it's constantly improving and expanding. New features are being added all the time and bugs are fixed quickly. I'd love to see some kind of digital synth project like this. And if a synth manufacturer decided to release a commercial version, I'd probably pick that up, too! You can sell me the cores individually!
and they did drop another synth today for their last 2019 announcement- the Cat.
So stoked for the CAT! I played one a few years ago at a vintage synth shop and was instantly in love.
and a small coffee maker outputting from the rear panel .....
In the early 90s there was a MIDI-controlled coffee mascine (on/off) in the studio of a friend, controlled by C-Lab Creator.
Not sure which brand that was, I think Miele or AEG ;-)
Well that would justify fan noise for me atleast
@@kaitsu9608
yes, it would somehow :D
(But the coffee machine was in the kitchen anyway).
The funny thing was that nobody had drunk coffee ... but he had a midified coffee machine: D
So much yasss!!!
Like a 5 year old designing his dream car with lil missiles and ejectable seats. Truly brilliant.
Real time recorded!!!!! YES! All synths should have this. I am so glad the Keystep Pro is going to have a real time recording mode as an option.
ADHD Synth agreed. I realize I forgot a Tap Tempo button. It would be great to even have something like a looping pedal option. Just hold it down and release when you want the loop to start.
Where did you hear about Keystep Pro?
@@medotata5356 Well in the end...they cut some features and the keystep pro disappointed me....maybe they will add more via updates.
No assignable/ dedicated knobs for FX, distortion, delay, reverb? shame! linear sliders get dirty inside quickly
Sonikbytes I figure there are so many routing destinations you can assign them yourself. That’s kinda the idea
They can also make 2 versions. Second one with another octave and more space for FX.
Back in the 80's, I've owned many 'analog' synths that nowadays would give some people a hard on. Sold them all for a lot of money. M12, Chroma, P5, VS, Mini, OB8, and many more. What Behringer and other manufacturers do, is to catch (mainly) young people making them (mis)believe that these analog synths are kinda magical. That they sound 'better', warmer or whatever(which is not) It's a hype. (i.e. TR909 or TB303 that go ridiculous prices) Blind tests at university level have proven that people simply can not hear the difference. And to be honest Steven, you are the best example that proves that it's not about the kitchen, but all about the cook. I have no analog synths left, and I don't regret. My latest purchase is a Novation Summit. IMHO, (and many others ) It's been since the release of the Virus (ABCTI) that a synth has been made with such a sweet, wide, deep, dark, shiny, crispy, naughty, aggressive palette, that every 'serious' synth-lover should own one...check it out. And yes, I've tried the DM. And sold it after 5 days and bought a Peak. Followed by the Summit.
If they pull off the cs-80 game over !
Joe Sayle I have two CS-80s. Invested a ton and just recently had to buy a fully pristine CS-60 to dismantle for parts to keep them going. They are amazing. No kidding, there is nothing like them. Most owners I know have more than one as they are afraid to be stuck with a non working one. If Behringer somehow manages to keep the absolutely true magic that happens whilst playing this synth, I’d gladly endure the depreciation of these beasts. They pull the power of nine traditional flagship synths out of the socket. A lot of that magic happens when all those electrons are sifting through the machine. We’ll see.
Happy new year!
@@saladdays180s9 what do you think of dekards dream? Have you tried it.
Joe Sayle Any attempt to work an analog (or even digital, hybrid etc ) attempt to recreate the CS-80, should be considered valiant. They shot for the moon, but like most, have to compromise areas as the workings inside an actual CS-80 are inefficient (but beautiful to me), this cacophony of wires and electronics takes about 30 actual minutes to heat up. When it does, something happens to the sound as well. The squelchy cutting tone turns into magic, as the poly aftertouch extracts the nuances of what’s going on inside. If Behringer falls short of exactness, maybe they’ll come across their own magic sound. In that event, that is my hope. Most people who get to play one usually just try to do Bladerunner etc, as it is intimidating to create something new without trying to showcase the poly AT and their own musicianship, showing that they are deserving of playing one. The truth is, and I mean this to all that would get one if Behringer succeeds, you do not have to be a virtuoso. Even we’ll thought out simple playing is rewarded in a way that is never showcased.
I put a phone recording of a five measure song core I looped with the CS-80, and a hint of Memorymoog on Instagram a few days ago trying to illustrate this. I am TheSynthesizerGrouch.
Just missed one thing...the all important back of the synth. I/O !
gotta have stereo audio input, so we can use the amazing multi-FX section with external audio sources. If they really wanted to go all out and one-up the competition, it could have USB audio with the option to send the external processed audio signal back out on it’s own channel, separate from the internal synth. (either via USB or one of two pairs of L/R analog outs) They could also develop something like Elektron’s overbridge, so we can use the synth as a VST.
From what I understand, these modern VCO’s are usually auto tuned by a DSP chip at certain intervals (not constantly like a DCO) .give the user an option to disable that auto-tuning, providing the user a button or menu option to tune OSCs when needed.
A vocoder section, a breath controller section and also a real-time looper with at least 5 minutes of looping time and 2 buttons record, overdub and stop erase.
A looper with easy-to-use quantizing!
Perhaps the best feature of DeepMind for me is the adjustable slope for each stage of the envelopes. Just that feature alone makes it possible to change sounds more effectively than many more powerful synths. The difference between a straight line, a concave curve, and a concave curve is immense--unfortunately Behringer haven't made them very intuitive to quickly edit from the front panel, but by adjusting the values in the envelope menu you can emulate just about any envelope style from other synths. Keeping that functionality (and improving it with a knob for each segment to directly adjust the curve separately and simultaneously with the time parameter) is something I want to see on every Behringer synth--and ones from other manufacturers, too. I would go even further to add slope curves to the filters as well--12dB and 24dB are all good, but changing the slope/curve on either side of a center point suddenly would give you tremendous sound shaping potential--for instance, a lowpass filter with a very gradual curve joined with just a custom high pass trim to take out lows below 50Hz to allow more room for the bass, all in one filter.
About time someone made a wishlist/ dreamsynth video! thank you sir!
I would like to posit 2 features of my own:
1- jogwheel for data entry (it's so smooth to move quickly or slow down for fine movements)
2- who was it that used that "traveler"-style control whereby a slider controls a value amount as always, but there are "side sliders" above and below the main slider which limit both the physical travel of the main slider as well as the floor and ceiling of the control value itself? So not just the amplitude of a control signal can be adjusted, but both the positive and negative peaks- independently!
I played all the new clones like Prophet X, Brute,Quantum, Grandmother etc. and I came to the conclusion that everyone sounded more or less very similar. With eyes closed, it made no difference if I played a Moog or Waldorf clone, respectively I couldn`t really say what synth I actually played.
In the 80s I also played the originals and each thing had its own sound character and charme. You could really tell the difference.
This individualism is somehow almost completely absent today.
Of course, today it's actually impossible to create a completely different sounding synth.
So it is about implementing techniques in a device that lets you experience the old familiar practically new.
So I wished that different synthesis interfaces and generators would be implemented in one device so that you can switch and combine between them.
You wanted your synth sounding like a Wavestation and have that kind of vector sequences ? Just push the button.
You wanted your synth sounding like a Moog, Synclavier, Fairlight, CS80,Wave PPG ? Just push the button...and combine it all together.
(The Hybrid`s goes a little in that direction...but without having that sound of old vintage charme).
For me, there`s no need for another clone of a CS80, Jupiter 8 etc. if they all sound very similar anyway.
I just wanted a synth which includes different programmable synths in one device (not a simple sampler...but including a sampler, too).
And if Behringer does it, please use a well playable keyboard ;-)
So you basically want a box that let's you switch and combine different types of synthesis by pushing a few buttons?
We already have that - it's called a DAW. ;)
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Yep, we`ve got DAW`s...but I want that in one hardware synth.
I don`t want a single clone that sounds like a version of a Moog etc.I want a synth that could emulate all different synths in just one hardware device... and I don`t mean not only the sound-character...I mean things like vector sequencing from wavestation, patch-editing from synclavier, arp`s from analog synths etc.
Some on board effects? The phaser from the arp quadra, a delay from Frontline, the Juno chorus
3 osc, 2 filters (parralel or serie) low pass, band pass, high pass 12/24 dB + comb filter sliding, 4 DADSR + Adjusting the time (start and time) of the envelopes by pressing
or vélocity on the keyboard, 3 LFO, effects, stéréo out, osc phase shift, osc sync, fm, eight voice polyphony
I really hope they make desktop versions of everything. Won‘t have 10+ keybeds cluttering my studio, there‘s already enough companies that never do synths w/o keybeds.
I think it’d be awesome if they branched out and built a killer modern drum machine/groove box. Digital/Analog hybrid, something with enough depth to attract Elektron (or Synthstrom Audible) fans.
4:19 Oscillator shape shifting is technically easy to do. Use Log/Lin/Exp curves to morph between Square/Tri/Pulse and adjust the duty cycle to slide between Saw/Tri/RevSaw.
I didn't think much of Behringer but with their vocoder they convinced me being a solid brand. Actually their clone is better than Rolands own clone!
So is their clone of the 303 and 808 . . .
Yes, the VC 330 is a very sweet vocoder and strings are amazing, too!
I spoke to some guys at Behringer last week and they will announce a new analog 12 voice polysynth before Xmas. I heard some of the demos and this is the OB-X, P5 and Jupiter 8 killer because it can do all these 3 synths can do. At the same time they are still working on the CS-80 clone as well.
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Replace the sequencer with a BBD circuit, and place a switchable passive jensen transformer over the output stage, leading to bal. xlr output... No usb either, just midi and cv. +kettle-lead power, NO WALLWARTS, or external psu...
The filter section could be a eurorack powered slot, - with the manufacturer providing their own filter options cw ribbon cable usage for normalized operation of vcf.
The great thing about 2019+ is that you can just gather a dream team and crowdfund something yourself.
The 8 Bit Guy did it with his dream 80's computer. It just requires constant love and care.
Links?
a lot of cool stuff here. I like the staggered knobs for each osc.
One thing I would love would be a synth that makes use of the montage/Kronos touch screen but would have 2 dedicated screens for the envelopes. Always on for visual feedback and you can use the knobs to program or just click the points and drag. A luxury sure but would be awesome to work with.
I'd also love a knob that adjusts the envelope curve like the one in sonic academy's ANA2 soft synth so you can really fine tune those plucks, stabs or basslines. And since most envelopes are digital anyhow I don't see how this would be too difficult to implement (even the prophet 6 has digital envelopes.)
Its fun to day dream and nerd out about this stuff.
Hasn’t the idea been kicked around that they are going to re-create a Jupiter 8?
That of course would be the sickest analog synth on the planet, and a dream come true to have in my studio.
Yeah. If they do that I *_will_* get one, at all costs. Even though I probably can't afford it, lol.
@@FoxGAMING-NTF There seem to be all sorts of things cooking in Behringers' kitchen. They have the UB-Xa still coming up, and the DS-80, as well as the Prophet 600 clone kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if a fully fledged Prophet 5 and Jupiter 8 replica was in the works as well. It almost like a given that all those synths will see the day of light sooner or later.
There is nothing special on a jup 8 just the name and snobism around it
each feature you've listed + a Jx8p filter and the waveforms augmentations of the Arturia Brutes (+ obv their filter and BruteFactor)
Testoh Toby good call. This synth needs some brutalism
It should have all that stuff and be multitimbral -- supporting split keyboard, multipatch arrangements, layering, separate effect per layer etc.. Also don't forget an arp per layer;)
Great video. subbed
my main gripe with most poly-synths with patch memory is that the panel doesn't (and can't) update when one changes patches. I'm convinced endless encoders (rotary) with light rings indicating position is where it's at. I often dream of someone implementing the so called "saturn ring" knobs from NI's Massive with 2 or more color coded lit rings per knob (the preposterously expensive waldorf quantum is the closest thing i can think of that does this).
Right now they are still in the learning phase copying the most iconic synths . In the end they will have all the knowledge to build the flagship to rule them all ... I am very excited about the PPG, but also I don’t have space for so many keyboard so I’m hoping for modules
I like your ideas! It’s funny you mention the poly 800 adrsdsdssr (or something lol) i still don’t really get that a 100% on mine haha.. Here are some additional ideas by me (I’d love to hear what you think!):
1) Motorized controls (faders, knobs, on/off buttons, and yes.. even the switches!) combined with storing/recalling presets which can be loaded/dumped through USB etc. (all the modern-day possibilities). This would be especially useful, maybe even necessary, when there are that many dedicated controls on a synth!.. It would also be pretty nice to use the synth as a plugin (plugout?) in your DAW like Elektron’s Overbridge or Roland Aira (not sure)
2) Different modes for the curves of the envelopes (linear, exponential, inversed exponential, etc.)
3) Also for envelopes: attack time ‘scale’ very fast/normal, ideal for percussion combined with the previous idea.
I could go on for a while, it’s fun to brainstorm on this.. :D I’m a software developer and I made a simple softsynth a while back, I feel like picking that up again now.. 🤓
If you’re interested, here’s me explaining the Poly800 filter ruclips.net/video/5DwdB-Huk4w/видео.html
You have some great ideas! Motorized controls would make preset recall a breeze. I contemplated including that but they would have to be well built. I know the X32 fader motors can break down after a while...
I have separate ideas for an Aria style synth. I might do a video on it soon. Keep brainstorming and if you make another soft synth I’d love to check it!
@@StephenLearson why not 3 envelopes like the DM? also... that's a LOT of filters on one synth haha. But if we are throwing everything in there... why not a wavetable oscillator and FM capabilities???
i think ADSR is missing a D in the beginning, for delay. Envelopes should do nothing until assigned, so that way they can be freely assigned to any destination in the routing matrix. Also, motorized faders for patch recall as well as vertical LED meters by every fader that show modulation happening.
I'd like a Deepmind version 2 that's very similar, with an additional wavetable oscillator and some eurorack compatible CV in/out that's mappable to the mod matrix
Koss Billingham But with a different filter than the Roland filter that distorts too quickly.
@@josephwright5921 I'd like a choice of analogue filters actually, that's a good point.
Yes, that. Add wavetable capability, and the touch strip, to the Deepmind, and I'm in.
an LFO that could be modulated by an envelope is something I would really value
If they can pull off the Yamaha CS-80 then there's no other synth they couldn't do , I honestly don't think It can be done right for cheap.
I agree with putting multiple filters in synths. The oscillators often seem to be very similar from synth to synth, especially when so many classic synths used the same Curtis chips back in the day. The filters and modulation routings are what gave most synths unique character. Even Korg recognized this with the MS20 kit that gave users the old and newer analog filters.
I'm waiting for a company to attach a looper to their synth similar to how Roland did with their SP-555 Sampler. I feel like that would be dope.
Just can’t get enough of that synthahol...
It must have been pretty windy on the way over to the studio! Haha.
Give it 128 or 256 note polyphony. So many of these keyboards lack it. 4 or 8 or even 16 voices doesn't cut it. One of the reasons I love the Korg Wavestate
How about the option of linking into a modular system, having patch points and a giant version of Arturia's Rack Brute 6U that attaches to it? Behringer have announced they're going to produce 40 modules, at least for now, and modular racks. Obviously, you can't call it the Peak, so how about the Behringer Behemoth?
I'd go for 4 audio oscillators, two analogue and two SFZ/SF2 playback; I mean, this IS the mothership!
Three osc Deepmind 12/16, the same but with more waveshapes for the osc, 3 separate control sequencers for each patch, audio in that you can feed through the filter/envelope/fx. Keyboard control of control sequence so that you can use one of them to record a note sequence. 2000 patches. An editor that also works as a VST (multi instance). Free bag when you buy the synth. Colour screen.
Joystick is a must have for me.
Yes, please! I'd also love to see a separate stereo path from the filters onward like in the Matriarch.
Oh, and I REALLY want that "record" feature. It's much easier to use in live improvisational sets than the programming sequencers ... why no record?!
Btw what did you use for the graphics for the panel layout? Thanks in advance.
system5guy Adobe Photoshop
This is great. One of the things Behringer did that I prefer is with the Neutron. Having a software based interface. I'd love all hardware synth makers to stop cramming controls in small screens. Have a port that can plug into a tablet and let me do the deep dive changes on a screen size of my choice. No small screen is helpful, especially when playing live.
Bode frequency shifter would be nice. I am enjoying DeepMind12d, Neutron and Model D, along with Korg MS20mini and Odyssey module. Ready to spend some more on great Behringers.
Here are a few of the "flag-ship" synths I'd like to see Behringer tackle: creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/ *Especially the "Grab n' Go" Workstation Keyboard, "Hybrid Vintage Synth" Module and "Rhythm Section"!
It's quite a dream synth indeed. What about the tone? Should it sound more like an OB-Xa, or any other classic synths? The tone interests me the most. It should sound incredible.
I hope they do. I already have DM12 and Model D, but would love to see a total killer synth for them. They have proven their capability to make one by now. If they release this kind of synth, I will buy it.
They did a fine job with the model d
Wonderful Dream Video, LP! Sort of like Fantasy Football for us geeks...Very cool. I agree that Behringer did a great job on the DeepMInd. Between the Sledge, the DM, ProX and OB6, we've gotten so many choices, not all fully analog, but all exciting and mutually complementary.
Am I weird because I'd prefer the octave select switches to be rotary knobs with click-stops, and the ABDSSR knobs to be sliders on our dream machine? Also maybe the octave switches should be higher, on the main panel rather than the side panel, though that seems to make sense? That octave switch location is one thing the Prophet X has over the DM imho. I keep going to the HOLD and ARP buttons on the DM when I want to switch octaves. You can be holding a note and reach them on the PX. Maybe it was necessitated by the missing octave of keys, but old habits die hard I guess...
Thanks again for this great video.
great vid - i designed a behringer polysynth where you draw your own wave shapes with a pen (rebirth of fairlight)
What is that synth on your top shelf next to the Korg MS20mini?
Transcendental Airwaves Korg Delta ruclips.net/video/5J9b9SHBxu8/видео.html
Hi, here's Marc again. I am actually missing quite a few things. LFO waveshape selection. LFO destination routing. Mod destinations (for instance pitch, filter, volume). Osc waveshape mixing (With the layout you propose you would for instance not be able to mix the 1st waveshape of an oscillator with the 3rd). Sync, noise and ring mod only in single hardwired routings? More envelope destinations (for instance pitch). And why not put a loop option into the envelopes? Furthermore the ribbon needs to be as long as the keybaord so one can play complete melodies on it. By the way: Have you already taken a look at the Hydrasynth?
Marc Brassé LFO wave selection buttons are on the far left as I mentioned in the video. I didn’t go into all the routing destinations since the whole synth is based on the DeepMind interface.
@@StephenLearson I assumed you wanted to make it a bit more hands on then the Deep Mind.. So it that sense it still stays a bit more menu oriënted. OK
MERRY Christmas bro. And HAPPY New Year. Wussup with thst hair do? I hope you get paid or recognized if this synth ever gets made. And itll be very expensive too.
Loose the keypad and increase the display to that whole block making it touch sensitive for further deeper control with a Kaossilator style control option. Add all the usual compliments on the back including a patch bay area. As an option an angled up eurorack can be attached to the back to hold all sorts of nifty little modulars. And to top it all off, Behringer needs to come up with there own version of a Roli style key bed..For a hardware synth!!
its time for behringer to make their own motherships of a synth
Almost the perfect synth....my assumption would be on the output in back, full midi, USB to host, USB data storage, VGA or touchscreen video out... so you don't have to have additional apps. And effects module somewhere, maybe buttons next to the filter buttons. Or just buttonize the like DM. No FM or Wave memory is ok on a classic analog.
Seems like arturia listened with their poly brute release. Got the ribbon and morphee. What ya think?
Brian Hurley i know right! You’re welcome Arturia!
Thank you .This is well thought through .However it would be good to bridge software and hardware .What if a synth had a number of connection slots .So for example one slot would be for a massive X type module .And another for a Pigments style slot and so on .I like the Roland Fantom concept with the clip launching .The only thing is. It is MAC friendly and not so much with PC connectivity wise .
Mark QUAVERTUNE Great ideas! I have another design for a synth that would integrate with software. I’ll post it soon.
Holy GO-WHACK-MY-MOLEY! I just had a synthgasm watching this! If Behringer could come up with that I'd be totally onboard buying for my synth rig. About the only suggestion I would add to that would be to look at implementing the Stephen Kay's KARMA algorithm into it somehow because it is (IMO) of the niftiest pieces of accompaniment logic to come out (it is NOT an arpeggiator) and would take this to the next level. Thanks for sharing!
Great idea! My dream synth would have poly after touch and a nice hammer action keyboard. I prefer hammer action most, and if I want semi weighed keys, I can just use my midi board to control the synth. I’m really hoping that they offer a hammer action version as well as a semi weighted action on the cs80, as it won’t feel as good without it I’m afraid, and there will definitely be people willing to pay the bigger price for hammer action.
Of course they are !!! :) They are off the scale with what they are doing. They have demonstrated with vision and drive you can accomplish a lot. Really has put Roland to shame in the side of things
Also I love the sliders. I do not understand the love for knobs in general. The DM12 has the most intuitive user interface of any synth I have used before and I love the sliders and also like the screen. I would love the interface like you present it.
I would also like a Juno 60 nearly identical to the original... not a deepmind
With 61 keys, else it would suck to play the basslines. Especially if it has a split function.
@Murada well the deal is that a mint condition juno 60 is about 2,500.00 plus tax on ebay or reverb. If behinger cloned it would probably be under 1000.00
@Murada A juno 60 doesn't have midi you need to install a mod for that. For me it's no biggie I can solder and fix electronics but others can't. There is a price difference between the Juno 60 and 106. Those 60's go for nearly 2500 while the 106 go for nearly 1500-2000. Their price has increased. But even soundwise there is a huge difference between a Juno 60 and a Juno 106.
The Deepmind 12 is a Juno 106 on steroids but IMHO they should have included a 5 octave keybed with 12 parts multitimbrality, split and layer options.
Behringer will make DSI look like a little kid in a wheelchair when they release the OBXa clone. They're also cloning a Prophet 5.
Roland didn't want to reissue the JP8, Juno 60 etc. They said they don't chase analog ghosts while Behringer said they do chase analog ghosts. They're doing a great job.
I have a juno 106 and a deepmind. I was considering a deepmind first but decided the real thing was better and got the 106. Then after some time I bought the deepmind 12 as the juno was limited. Don't get me wrong, the juno sounds incredible and cannot be matched by the deepmind 12, but the juno simply cannot do what the deepmind can, so they compliment each other really really well. So in my opinion, both works best. They're very different. Also have a model d and that is great too. Behringer make awesome synths.
@Murada wtf are you smoking? Even 106s are like $1500 now. You can get a DM12 for $500 or less used. Also, it can do sooooo much more than a 106. And on top of that, you aren't even factoring in the maintenance issue... synths that are 40 years old have issues. The Junos especially do as the voice chips fail. Forget all the hassle. Yeah, live it won't sound the same. In a mix, I would be shocked if you can pick out a real Juno from a DM12 set to emulate one. Or you could pick up a System 8 and have a Juno, Jupiter, and JX3P... which would also sound great in a mix. Vintage is overrated. I"ll take modern features and no maintenance costs.
Dude you’re a good synth designer. I’m waiting for the Solina strings, I’m enjoying very much the VC-340 on my new tracks
I'm totally thinking what you were man. I think they'll be making another deepmind type of polysynth based on some kind of prior polysynth. Deepmind was a massively expanded Juno 6 sort of. Why not make a massively expanded Jupiter 8 next lol. And dude you need to send this video to behringer lol. What you have shown would be my dream polysynth as well. Lol.
@@MajorOSC It's based on a Juno 106 but it isn't a Juno clone. I hope they'll do a proper Juno 60 clone, with 61 keys, Poly at, 12 voices, multitimbrality + layering. The clones should be as close to the originals, the DP12 is a great synth but the menu diving sucks. If they'll do a JP8 clone it should stay as close as it can to the original. No display, no menu diving etc. What I dislike about the DP12 is the 4 octave keyboard, it should have a 5 octave keyboard. Playing basslines on a 4 octave keybed is annoying. 3-4 octaves are fine for mono synths but not for poly synths.
Solina or an ARP Omni 2
32ndBrother both if Behringer can
Needs the same number of effects as on the DeepMind. Also a full size oscilloscope/spectrum analyzer
Where do you find the time for all this?
I realize Behringer is known for producing inexpensive products but what you’ve designed will be expensive but awesome!
Yes! I agree with most of the design. My only fear is that they will focus on providing these features and not pay enough attention to the quality of the oscillators.
I am frothing for this synth. My man you are a f:+king genius.
!!! BEHRINGER!!! GET THIS MAN A JOB.
thats your dream synth? i have never seem such a lack of imagination
A 256 step sequencer like Moog has on the Grandmother. 64 step is so last year and not enough for composing a full project.
why dont you make your cimbination from modular synth?
How about removing the keys altogether and adding the best ideas from the comment section and making it a “master module”. Just plug in an inexpensive controller (or use an existing keyboard from ones collection). BAM! No tiny module knobs in a rack mount - just more real-time studio/live performance features at ones fat fingertips!
Behringer would name it the POET01 ;)
Great idea. I love it
Here are a few of the "flagship" synth ideas I'd like to see Behringer consider. Especially, the portable "Grab & Go" Workstation Keyboard. What do you think? creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/
looks nice, but i would get rid of the screen a key pad for a tone of patch points. oh and it needs another envelop.
I liked your ideas!
Here is what I'd put in:
Roland horizontal Bender/Mod and/ or a programmable e-beam.
Besides, you did not refer to the rear panel at all: Should't one include a mic input to be able to brutally pimp the array of filters to external voices?
i agree on everything but the number keyboard.. just put the deepmind rotating selector
both please.
The layout of your idea is just a start, close for sure, but could be expanded on... Imagine what this could be if George from UDO and Uli embraced each others strengths, brain stormed, and did not let anything hold them back, and created the ultimate beast...
Is there a synth that has any of these designs in one? Or close to it?
That looks pretty good! I would add LFO tempo sync/reset.
Laura Reynolds great idea 💡
I realize I forgot a few things. It needs Tap Tempo as well...
My dream synth would be a Prophet T8 with Prophet 5 sound.
That was very impressive! Behringer should offer you a job now! I hope they were watching.
No behringer are secretly building a Death Star
I'm not a fan of sliders that will eventually develop scratchy noise issues and difficult gummy sliding despite being covered during non-use. Behringer has had serious issues with faulty mixer's sliders which have affected me directly resulting in replacement. Filter sweeps are annoying with sliders too and one of the things I dislike most about my DM12. I'd prefer to see Behringer copy the Moog or Prophet line of synths. I just think that knobs are more convenient, takes up less surface real estate and are more aesthetically pleasing than sliders. A few sliders are okay though. But each to their own...
Behringer One, $2500, smesh everything in sight
Right?
how about the occiloscoop 16 drum pads and a slide rail and 2 rows off 9 drawbars then it is a perfect master controler to
That would be one awesome synth that you have designed there but what about some PCM sounds, like thousands of them, to mix with the analogue waves and also an effects panel. I think decent effects are important for today’s sounds. Even the Roland Gaia from back in the day has got one of these. Also a lot of people are into looping and the Casio XWP1 had a phrase builder, step sequence and arpeggiator and the G1 had a external/internal recording looper. Of course very important to get the tuning mechanism right unlike Korg in their latest and greatest.
That would be a beast sinty, i Hope behinger listen to you.
I like what you got going here. Also I'd go along w/you on the CS-80, but Anyone else want a Music Easel clone?
They have been working on the SH-5 clone for a while now but not talking about it....but then again, this may be the monster DeepMind 24...or the RD-9 finally.
Yeah, that just about looks like my dream synth.. someone make this please 😂
If you just add a shift button and add some functions to the sequencer knobs, all the extra buttons wont be needed (korg like)
I would be happy, if Behringer gave us a clone of the fantastic Maxi-Korg!
I love my DeepMind 12 Desktop, even though I had a Juno 106 a long time ago and didn’t like it at the time. It has a certain combination of analog warmth and digital sparkle with the arpeggiator and effects engine.
Fully on board with your thoughts
This still got a backlog. The obx-a hasn't been released the vcs3 has not been released.
There was a hint about MPC/deluge type of unit would be released I believe it was a Behringer employee that released the photoshopped image
I Really like your thinking on the design. There are a couple (more than 2 actually) of things I would do differently: Osc Pitch and Osc octave need to be in the same panel or combined so that pitch includes octave, thereby saving panel space..in my humble opinion. BTW this also eliminates the need for a detune slider unless that's for that old school out of tune affect that oscilators did when they drifted out of tune back then. Also, I think this next thing was just an oversight, you forgot to label the Amplitude envelope. probably missed because of proximity....no points off for that. Allow digital control by the sliders so that the display shows the numeric values changes as the adjustments are made.....of course this will require someone to write the code for that...this doesn't affect your panel layout though. Next, you could make a 16 voice version and a 32 voice version (with a circuit board add on option). On the 32 voice version you could slide the LFO buttons down slightly allowing room for a mode button which will be labeled Poly (all 32) or 16 +16 dual. This gives you layering...similar to the Nords and the Novation Summit. And Finally, Dude you gotta have digital effects. I'm sure you want to keep the signal as analog as possible, but that's easily done by allowing a blend knob in the effects. You would have to put that in the edit menus for the effects, which would show up in the display as needed. This way you can blend in some of the dry synth signal with the effected return. You could create preset algorithms for Delay(and other modulation effects), Aux/Multi for overdrive, distortion, ring mod...etc and finally Reverb. I'm not trying to step on your Dream synth, I love your imagination......just want to help give you a bigger dream. Disclaimer: no attempt is made to claim royalties for the use of any of these Ideas...LOL. I love this kinda stuff. I'm subscribing b/c you think like me.
I would like to see the OBX remake combined with the arpeggiator and effects engines of the DeepMind.
I had an idea today for a synth I would love to see: an FPGA synth with programmable digital synthesizer cores. I got this idea from the vintage gaming community's MiSTer project. It uses a very cheap (~$130) Cyclone V-powered De-10 Nano FPGA board and currently emulates everything from the PDP-1 (no kidding, this piece of hardware can play THE ORIGINAL VIDEO GAME Space War, how cool is that?) to most recently the Neo Geo and Sega CD with almost everything in between. It's even got a super awesome Amiga core that can act as a tricked out Amiga and run all the software ever made for it. Commodore 64 is present and accounted for as well, and Atari ST work is ongoing.
The company Analogue makes some commercial products like the Super Nt (SNES) and Mega SG (Genesis), which look similar to the original hardware (but smaller and sleeker, with modern amenities like USB power, SD card slot, HDMI, and a multitude of options for modern displays) and have physical controller ports and cartridge slots to run original games (the Mega SG even has the ability to plug into a real Sega CD just like the original Genesis!). But the MiSTer project is entirely open source, meaning once you put the hardware together, you are free to load up any of the hardware cores that the community has created and use them to run images of the original software.
So the idea is to create a synth platform around an FPGA. You'd simply buy the hardware and then load whatever cores into it you want to recreate the actual hardware of the original synth (I'm staring at my ESQ-1 right now). It could also utilize extra storage for PCM samples or something like that. Everything from digital oscillators to ROMplers to VA synths could be supported. The De-10 Nano board is probably powerful enough to cover VA synths well into the 2000's if not even beyond that. Synthesizers could be released as software packages that load hardware cores into the FPGA and software samples and algorithms into the build-in storage.
A community-driven project is likely the best way to implement this, and given how many talented people there are out there I'd be surprised if some of them hadn't thought of this already. I think the hard part would be coming up with the algorithms for stuff like VA synths, any kind of deep software programming within the original hardware is likely proprietary and hard to come by. But in terms of replicating digital circuitry, it should be relatively easy given what we've seen the community already accomplish with MiSTer. The best part about the MiSTer project is that it's constantly improving and expanding. New features are being added all the time and bugs are fixed quickly. I'd love to see some kind of digital synth project like this. And if a synth manufacturer decided to release a commercial version, I'd probably pick that up, too! You can sell me the cores individually!