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I think what the games industry doesn't seem to understand is the vast majority of gamers have hundreds of backlog games. Most of us could stop buying games for a decade and still have plenty to play.
Right? I have like 20 games i still haven't touched or need to finish, and honestly it prevents me from buying anything new unless that something is a game i have been waiting for.
Great point. If you are a gamer of a certain age, the patience is crazy (ie. Back log, or slow burn enjoyment). I mean do I really have to play the next “now”. These games will be here next year for reduced price.
Yeah, but they don’t care about any other games BUT their game, or at least the game they are currently releasing. They push them out and just forget them after a week, because that’s what they want
The plan is not to charge customers $100 to buy a game. The plan is to charge customers $100 to buy a license to play a game -- a license which can be revoked by the publisher, at any time, for any or no reason.
Close, as this is already what happens. The plan is to make every game prohibitively expensive so that every game service gives up selling games and moves to game rental subscriptions as Xbox Game Pass and Origin Ultimate already did. This way they guarantee revenue. First they'll include extra DLC in a second more expensive tier, then they'll start selling even more exclusive DLC separately even for the higher tier. Then they'll either add a third tier or push up the price of the higher tier. We'll see the same fragmentation as we do in the streaming service space, a bunch of companies will fail and there'll be layoffs. But that doesn't matter because the game investors will take their cut.
Millions do.. and they will pre order 80$ games. And then buy 200$ premium editions. In the end they will justify it with: "I can spend my money on what I want." Casual gamers are idiots sorry. Seen that GTA can cost 100$ it's ok tweet? Lost
@@saschaberger3212Wow there ! Don't you fuckin dare put casual gamers and morons in the same fuckin category. I'm a casual gamer. Am I like these fuckin idiots ? No, I'm not !
@@saschaberger3212i have a big library of games…like free games from many different platforms(epic game weekly free game, amazon gaming, legacy, gog, ubisoft and more )…games i got for cheap during blackfriday or any 70-90% sells…i get many used triple A games on facebook marketplace for cheap. While i wait for games to go down in price i play my massive library games that just keeps getting bigger 😅
So a single game should be nearly 1/5 the cost of a brand new console? When half these games are broken, unfinished, and filled with microstransactions? On top of everything going digital making it so we don’t even own the games we are paying that price for? Get the F*** out of here.
We've got "top" game studios releasing poor quality, half-finished games, a consumer base thats starting to turn against them, a marketplace saturated with identical games (open world survival crafting, fornite clones, stardew clones), and studios pushing for unsustainable price hikes when consumers are already suffering from inflation. A lot of these conditions existed in the 1980s. It's called a market crash.
I hate the idea of them going up in price, not just because of how much playing video games already costs; but because even if we pay 100 dollars for games, they'll still shove a shitload of microtransactions in them and pay to win bullshit.
The only way we can combat this is to boycott the games as soon as the price increase gets implemented. But then again, People will still pay crazy amount for games.
The masses will just accept and continue to buy, I'm guessing. However, those of us with cooler heads will watch sales and buy games 2 years later at 80% off or more. The increase still sucks as it raises the same price as well, assuming they'll stick with similar percentages.
Let's be real. Many of the games of these companies weren't even worth 60 $ to begin with. For that price I would expect an exceptional game that I would remember a decade or two from now. These companies are just selling games to sell you microtransactions. It isn't about fun. "We don't use the word 'fun'" one executive even said before. It is about making a game that costs as little as possible, while milking the player as much as possible. They are cutting corners while developing games. I have seen it with Final Fantasy. It is best to only buy such games at bargain bin prices of 20 $ or less if at all.
@@hoppa_2184 for real. I'm a sale only buyer (rare exceptions for cheap indie titles). Few companies have released anything more than a "paid beta" in recent years. I'm going to keep waiting until complete editions are released before I consider a purchase. But it's harder for players that only play online. Communities only last for so long for a game (especially when they are routinely under baked). I feel for them.
They push shit all the time these days. Its exhausting. When will these imbeciles realize that forcing things on people never works? Sure you might get your way for a while. But once the resentment is there it will only grow.
I dont mind paying $100 for a complete, no patch required type of game with all future updates free. But i have to get at least 200 hours out of it for it to be worth 100 bucks, replayability is a must. Paying $100 bucks for a remake of skyrim sounds like a good deal to me but mind you it must have all dlc included. Red dead redemption 1 remake in the style of RDR2 is also a contender for a $100 game. Games that are online would not do so good priced at $100 such as shooters or anything that will die out as players stop playing. Timeless video games that are brought back to life like mass effect and dead space where the developers spend lots of time to try and fulfill their original vision with newer available technology, I will gladly support by buying a well done remake at $100. New games must stay at 70 or less to be viable. Raising prices assumes your product is better than what is and has been out there. Youd be taking a leap of faith on new fan bases.
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And watch the gaming industry crumble while hack journalists write "nobody wants to play video games anymore; why the gaming industry is dying and consumers are to blame"
It is important to keep in mind the AAA publishers that push these price hikes don't represent the whole industry. What I can see instead is a decline in sales in the AAA sphere and a shift towards smaller developers. Then again a the same time there are too many people with blind loyalty and casual players for this to bring down AAA scene entirely.
Not only is $70 rediculous, but then there’s micro transactions, premium bundles, dlc’s etc etc. how can they truthfully explain a price hike if micro transactions exist???
4-26$ for Decent Indie game 60-70$ for Live serviced, Denuvo crap, Microtransaction from Paid games, Stupid buggy mess > Gollum+Rise of Kong+The Day Before+Redfall+Forspoken = This
was all for $70. Because AAA devs in the past said if they increase the price mc will go away. It didn't. that's why I refused to pay it. Didn't buy a single $70 game.
Why is 70$ ridiculous? Perhaps for some games. Small ones that take a few hours to finish. To Platinum . Do you realise how expensive games have become to make?🤔
Not a single cent of the extra $20-$40 will go to the actual devs. It's just for the executes and shareholders to get even more money than they already do. Honestly, the fact some of them have the audacity to blame us and put up "Think of the underpaid devs 😢" like they're some meat shield is straight up disgusting.
Completely agree, all they ever want is more and more money in their pockets and they really don't give a rats about their devs let alone their customers. As far as they're concerned if they could take ALL the money, we know for a fact, they certainly would w/o even blinking twice about it.
@@hamptertimewell you should have. Why don't you go indie or create something by uniting most of you instead of relying to these abominations? If you all decide to leave them at their own devices I'm sure they'll change their tune. Sure might not do it but if big enough number does that they get crushed or you negotiate for better agreements. Also have you indie games? If so gimme some titles please, I'm interested if you have in steam or GOG games preferably
@@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ Unfortunately I don't think it would work tbh, they'd just look for the cheapest option an go for it before actually trying to cut a deal w/ the devs, hell, if Activision is any example they hired a union busting company JUST to stop their devs from unionizing so they can keep treating them like dogs. I for one think the devs should be the FIRST to get paid THEN the company. Pay the ones who ACTUALLY MAKE THE GAMES an they'll show them what kinda money they'd make em. but no, that makes it impossible for them to get their 5th yacht let alone their nice squishy 1-10 mil bonus every year it's honestly disgusting
“Games should cost more,” and “Gamers should get used to not owning their games.” Combined, I think I’ll just grab golden oldies and indies for peanuts and enjoy that. Also, every cent of that price increase is going into investors pockets, lets not kid ourselves.
honestly yeah, if these price increases were at least being justified as a way to increase the game developer's salary then I'd be fine with it, but everyone knows this is being done for the sole purpose of corporate profits
The question I have for developers is, what makes your game worth the extra money? How much more content and better quality is your new games that makes them worth $80-$100? I bet no games will be any better than previous ones, even while they are charging much more money.
It’s often said that piracy is a service issue and not a price issue. But at the same time, nobody in their right mind wants to spend $100 for a single video game.
Yes, it's clearly also a pricing issue. That's why there's way more piracy in countries where buying a game is way harder (or impossible) economically for the average gamer.
It is, in a big part, a pricing issue. A developer (PirateSoftware) made a short about this with a game he's developing. He localized the price to Brazil (a country where piracy is rampant) to be in line with people's income, and that country is funding 25% of the income for the development of the game (since right now it's in early access).
"But at the same time, nobody in their right mind wants to spend $100 for a single video game." That's part of the problem though. Collector's editions go up to $100, and the people buying that are people roped in by the marketing.
Ceo: i want to increase my salary and not that of the workers who make me money Ceo *increases game prices* Consumers: *dont buy product* Ceo: time to fire employees for not making quota
@NoOne-py5or I'm hardcore conservative in most moral values, and I still can see the issue with capitalism that makes OP entirely correct. Anything ending in -ism is bad, we knew this in the 40s/50s.
Have they ever considered that if they dropped the prices to like 25-30 bucks they'd not only sell more copies but probably end up with more fans and cash in the end?
these people have room temperature IQ in celcius and can't understand basic common sense. they still won't understand even when they see it actually happening like Palworld. the game is early access and has sold like 6 million copies in 4 days. why? cause it's $30 = very affordable price, so people buy it. and this is early access, Xbox and PC only, game pass. 6 million of people preferred to spend $30 that get it on gamepass.
@@7WhiteSwordCrash 4 was only 40 bucks and it sold incredibly well and had a TON of alt skins that are earned by getting gems in each level. Its a perfect examole of how MTX arent needed in any capacity especially in a single player game. Its that CEOs are heartless, greedy, manipulative assholes who will do whatever rhey can get away with that benefits them. And yiu bet your ass they wish they could add loot boxes again.
It's also good to note that back when AAA games were $50 dlc and microtransactions didn't exist. It was the price to own the game, not an entry ticket to play and pay more.
@@Kr33golaYup. Those of us who've been playing games since the early 2000s and before are NOT their target audience. They want the fortnite crowd and the yungins don't know any better despite us telling them.
@@ctg4818i mean yes profits are always what companies are going to strive towards and that has made a lot of shitty games but I'm saying specifically that article about the ubisoft exec has been kinda blow out of proportion
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I think if companies weren't already doing all the scummiest crap in the book then $100 would be fine. I think most people know how hard it is to make a good game. HOWEVER $100 games will have: Day 1 DLC DLC Data collection Rootkit DRM Aggressive micro-transactions Pay to win Always online requirements (even for single player) Multiple tier "extras" packs like GOY, ultimate or other editions Game being in an early access bug ridden crappy state and fixed later Future plans to raise the prices
I don't think the gaming industry realizes that playing video games is an option, not a necessity. Without the consumer, these companies would collapse
I don't think you realise that the average consumer, which likely numbers in the tens of millions, if not more, will willingly buy any game priced at £100 and have no issue with that
@@odinwhoknowstoomuch8589That's an L AND delusional take. Go to ANY comment sections, ANY form, ANY review section for triple A games over the last 10 years... Nobody in their right mind will ever pay 100$ plus for incomplete and/or mediocre cash grab sequals that are ALSO INCOMPLETE. Relax. There is no tens of millions. There simply is not. Throw that out of your little mind.
The worst part about this is that 90% of this will go straight to the scumbag CEO and executives while everyone else below gets table scraps or the boot.
This is the truth of the matter which is why these price increases are bull. Nintendo flourishes by giving us more games and experiment on services because they put the money back into the business to grow and retain talent as not everything will be a hit. I would buy into their PR if all these companies actually knew how to grow a creative business through action but they don't.
@@maryford3676 Pfffff Nintendo is the worst. They scrap libraries off the earth on a whim, they rerelease the same games over and over and over and over for a FULL PRICE. Their hardware is almost always overpriced, and where they were innovating was the handheld hardware field, which has now become their only hardware product. They're now competing with Steam, Lenovo, and ASUS but are cracking down hard on Emulation despite refusing to give any of those companies a run for their money and don't actualky what to put in the work to see what consumers actually want. Their online marketing team might be deployed 24/7, but I highly recommend they give their execs paycuts, and put that money into making a console that's worth its price and games that are worth buying a console for - instead of just cracking down on Emulation. Edit: Oh and they're making games now based on what the YT or tik tok algorithm tells them "will sell". RIP creativity.
@@EagleZtoTheGrave Even if you are a billionaire and buy a game for $100 that does not make it any less stupid. Its the principle of paying for something that is not worth the price, if someone is willing to align themselves with a corporation to be ripped off for a product just becuse they can afford to be ripped off, is even more thick headed and is just enabling a coportate justification for rasing prices when it does not need too.
Can't wait for people to defend this by saying "Times are changing guys games are expensive to make plus this means better and more polished games." and call everyone else poor for calling these companies out.
I don’t know how they justify price raises when it’s already a dice roll whether the game will be finished and bug free at launch for $70. I’ve never once been able to tell a publisher “oh I’ll be $40 for this full priced game” yet they continually get away with underbaked product
It's not even a dice roll....its about 95% that AAA games will not be complete and have a lot of bugs at launch...and even a possibility to blame the consumers that their PCs (for PC versions) are the problem and not the game (yes Todd Howard)....
We already have companies pushing 70$ games with less than 4 hours of content made of reused assets. What's 100$ going to get us? An hour of gameplay, microtransactions, and 70$ dlc?
I mean they technically already do tbh. Just look at Street fighter 6,Mortal Kombat 1 and Tekken 8 ultimate editions for example. Each is over $100 and the stuff they offer imo ain't worth that much and with said dlc pass,it don't even comes up to that much. These companies really really want to give less for more so bad and have been for a long time. Imo it should happen because I get the feeling that will cause the next video game crash we need tbh
I'm in Canada and I stopped buying new games when they went from $60 to $80. The prices are going up but the quality of AAA games keeps going down. The big publishers normalized selling an incomplete or broken product at release.
@@aalwayslucky428 Pokemon Scarlet sais hello. Paper Mario: Color Splash, Skyward Sword had gamebreaking bugs, Mario Kart. Sony had persona 5 and persona 5 royal which you had to re-buy. Couldn't be DLC. Life of Black Tiger. Sony also wanted rebuys for ps5 quality. I'll agree that a lot of PS and Nintendo exclusives are fine. Not all of them.
You know what hasn't gone up? My pay. year on year with the increase from £40, to £60 and now £70 I buy less games. I only buy a fraction of what I used to.
The thing is, games don't have to be so expensive to make, the indie market proves as much. The problem with the triple-A industry is that it has become unsustainably bloated, because they've fallen into the same trap as the film industry, where every release has to be a blockbuster.
Also all those many people working in areas that aren't directly involved in making the game itself. Just watch any of those endless AAA credits roll. No way a good game needs this many people to be made.
Rampant corruption is probably a bigger issue, very little of all the money they make is going toward the devs that made it, it's all going toward the CEOs at the top that sit on their ass in some boardroom all day.
Yeah! AAA game companies/studios having more than 200 (or maybe as same 300 as OG COD MW2) developers are WAY TOO MUCH for their sustainability, I mean 2000 Activision devs (as opposed to 300) is already not worth it. The same reason why there are too many layoffs (or as we know it...AAA gaming bubble burst)
They had to pay or the CEO's and executives, they are also legally required to make money by any means nessesairy (per the law). Publicly traded companis are garbage 100%
Publishers could have said No to the "moar" mentality or just ignored it. They 100% had a choice and they chose to balloon budgets to unsustainable levels @@mr.kwamid-86_43
I really gotta give credit where credit is due. The big publishers really put in so much effort into enabling me to clear my backlog without ever having to pay for a new AAA title ever again. Thank you so much guys.
If this keeps going then I'm sure the gaming industry will see a huge decline in sales, whilst we go to our backlogs until games come down to a reasonable price.
They won't care about the numbers at that point. They'll be making the same amount of money off a fraction of the sales. There's a staggering number of people who are just plain stupid enough to pay whatever anything costs, because they're bad with money, and simply don't care, as long as they get what they want.
As someone who plays mainly indie and buys bigger games only during massive sales, I can only say to the gaming community: Do the same. Bug publishers don't deserve your hard earned money with their broken and unfinished garbage with in-game stores. 100$ is insane.
@@sk8ermGs And this would be a bad thing? I don't think they wouldn't make games anymore. They would be forced to make good games with reasonable budget and marketing behind it, without greed and higher ups who get millions in profit. And even if big publishers stop making games, I don't see this as a huge problem. Let smaller and independent teams keep developing amazing games. Nobody needs a 100$ game with an in-game shop, 20$ skins or other nonsense. I happily pay 60$ for a finished product like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3, physical even 70$. But paying full price became very rare for me.
@@sk8ermGsNo it would make games better. You either never played Ps1 and ps2 and don’t remember how great games used to be, no paywalls, no buggy messes, no “dlc”. Or you are being paid to spread stupidity.
@sk8ermGs man i hate this mind set of course they are going to try 59 course correct like why dont people treat bad games like bad food if you don't like it don't buy it
The company behind the highest grossing entertainment product in human history said they're not charging people enough. I think that says all that needs to be said about bloating corporate greed.
Here's the thing When GTA VI launches and it costs 100€ everywhere, Nintendo and Konami and Fromsoft and any other never-discount Company will see and adapt to it and then the entire Industry follows.
The worst thing then will be, that we have to deal with more Game Pass Ubisoft PS Plus Ahh Subscribtions that flood the market like the Movie-Streaming Market Oh and Piracy will probably reach an all time high
Beat me to it. Games today bareley function, constantly have features removed and sold back if you're lucky plus there's the very real chance the game won't even be playable if it doesn't sell gangbusters. Why tf are we being charged more for increasingly worse and worse products?
@bleachknight90Yeah the only games worth $100 in the past 10 years was witcher 3, bulders gate 3, elden ring, Harry potter and maybe a couple more. All other games were merely rushed.
@bleachknight90sadly baldurs gate isn't worth 80 if everything worked properly maybe but I've lost hours of data and faced almost triple digit crashes.
I feel the same. If I cannot justify it is worth full price I wait for a sale. My back log keeps me busy until a sale and I do not mind waiting. As for 80-100 games...NO THANKS! I will wait a whole year for a sale if that is what it takes
They have been building to this for several years. First of all is get everyone buying digital. This neatly suppressed all those pesky second hand resellers. Those shops and ebay were all that was keeping prices under control.
The upside is that there's already so much out there that you can pick up second hand, it'd take a decade or more of only selling digital to make a dent.
can we start with, "no one generating hundreds of thousands of dollars in net profit with their labor should get paid less than 50% of the money that was created using their bodies" because if we dont, we're stuck in a semantical argument about how europe basically owns the planet and everyone on it because they created this system to make themselves perpetually on top despite never having a way to show where the wealth came from without admitting to masses of crimes against humanity. and how the ability to be alive is literally illegal if you arent actively allowing someone else to take 99.99% of the profit you are generating.
@@thelordofanime6150 If it is all digital, nobody can share their games and there are no loss of sales due to reselling used games. So yeah, pirating is borrowing.
Its not a full on videogame crash like we had in the 80s but we're definitely going thru a recession. I havent seen videogame companies act so desperate in my life.
Post flu bubble crash People spended money like crazy in entertainment during covid Arrow up ⏫ But when back to normal after Arrow down ⬇️ Companies are chasing the high
Its more like they put out unfinished boring game they spent hundreds of millions on and than wondering why it don't sell. Plenty of actual good games got their money back and than some because they actually offered a satisfying experience. Even got indie games blowing up like vampire survivor or lethal company because they just made a fun game for a good price and it caught on. Videogame companies are desperate to price gouge their customer base for sub par experiences. They hide behind graphics and marketing campaigns which is where all the hundreds of millions of dollars are going to. Than when you actually play the game you see how shallow it is that's why many AAA games try to avoid showing gameplay as long as possible instead showing more cinematic trailers setting money on fire trying to put makeup on a turd. This is far worse than the video game crash in the 80s these big AAA companies are laying off thousands of people now far more than their was developers in total back than. Billions upon billions of dollars are concentrated in these companies now that even a little slip up is a huge deal.
@@victor_734 youre probably too young. But there was an era where full ps2 games cost $40. Now we have $70 games, loot boxes, skins, live service, dlc, no creativity-people just copy each other and some of the games still come out bad. Also piracy has gotten worse so big publishers are desperate.
I anticipate a lot of big studios are going to collapse in the next few years, followed by a dramatic increase in indie studios as former staff of those companies group up to make their own passion projects.
@@wolfy6815 Well if the big studios fall at least some of those Indie studios will likely blow up when gamers start playing their shit more and if that causes the Indies to go into the stock market than stockholder interest will probably ruin them too like it has down to big studios...any indie studio owner who respects their own work will keep their company privately owned rather than risk destroying their brand like these bigger companies do.
@@Uzarran RE6 almost put Capcom out of business. I can't remember if it was SF5 financed by Sony or the MASSIVE success of Monster Hunter World that saved their ass.
Gamers are beyond brain dead, bethesda release garbage after garbage after garbage and they are foaming at the mouth to buy the next product. When a game releases broken (Cybergarbage 2077) and 10 years later they fix it and have the audacity to charge for some shit content gamers immediately started praising them.
@@chaoschaoforeverit wouldn't surprise me at all given the direction games are headed. I've been playing tons of city of heroes as of late and that is completely free. If game companies expect us to take out a mortgage to afford our games it is going to cause a crash for the industry.
“Ultimate Editions” already reach that price. Imagine paying 1/4th of a console price to play another 6 out of 10 Ubisoft game. Edit: It’s cute how some of you think your little “gamer boycott” temper tantrums will actually work in an economic system this fundamentally against the 99%. They have never systematically changed anything and never will.
The fact that games are arguably getting worse in all categories except graphics(which is worthless towards making a good game) and devs still think they deserve more money is wild. I don't spend money anymore before I do extensive research into the quality of the game, Cyberpunk 2077 saved me in this way.
the devs deserve the money. they don't get it, and that's the main problem. these price changes are caused by a want from the higher-ups for more money in their pockets. also, saying "games" so broadly acts as if the AAA space is the ONLY space of games to exist.
@squiddu Sorry, I should have narrowed it down to AAA games(and not even all AAA games, there are exceptions). That being said yes the do deserve money for the work they put in. The problem is that AAA is like an adult who has drawn and painted all their life, made a career out of it, and now they are drawing stick figures asking for the same money+more than they asked for when they were painting Monet style paintings, just because of name recognition/brand alone. Just because they take longer to make a bad game doesn't mean they deserve more money for a worse product. Now, to be fair, a lot of this observation could be attributed to me slowly growing away from games(though that's primarily because i keep getting burned by franchises i loved).
@squiddu and another thing, yeah, absolutely, the higher-ups should definitely prepare bigger budgets for game development, but again, that's not the people who want to buy games faults and the higher price will not make them more money in the long run because alot of people already feel like $60 is to much money for a new game much less $70 or an even higher number. All it will do is make the people who were already on the fence about a game hop off and look for an alternative(which obviously means in the long run they lose that customer) or wait until it's on sale because everybody has their own internal value of money.
@@squidduNot entirely. With insanely basic estimates, Bethesda having 450 employees and an us avg salary of 70k per developer. Star Field was in development for 10 years... Yea, that's $300 million in just labor. Sure, the entire studio wasn't working on it full time, but we also didn't factor in marketing costs that, by some strange ass magic I still don't get, can be nearly equal to development costs. Just saying, the rough math doesn't really reveal any bullshit according to their claims. The real take away is massive open world games are just fucking expensive lol.. and it is, cuz it's a shit ton of work.
And these idiots on Twitter saying that they are willing to pay 100 bucks. What is wrong with these people? You never tell a merchant that you'll pay more!
It is a type of religion to them. In the past people made offerings or donated money to the church to please the Gods. And regardless of what you think of religion this at least provided a sense of community and a belief system. These fan boys replace the church with the game company and the Gods with the characters. The major difference is that the gaming industry isn't made to instill community and a set of morality. It is meant to provide entertainment and make money.
I think those people said:" I would pay 100€ for a game if it has a great quality and has no microtransactions.". The chances of both happening is very slim.
First worlders who can't value their own money. As a poor person in Brazil that has about 181 games on Steam and where AAA games are easily a third of the month's food supply, the situation is already morally obligating me to pirate, let alone now.
And over here in Europe 100 euros is a week's worth of groceries for a bog standard family. In a similar vein, that's nearly the amount you'd spend on a full tank of fuel for a typical sedan. Them thinking we'd be okay with spending this much for one game is ridiculous.
@@primodragoneitaliano Yeah and shopping money isn't what it used to be some 15-20 years ago, all you needed was a 50 or less and that was going enough. Nowadays, 100 doesn't even seem enough forget it with 70 dollars, that's basically a no because this is people's earned shopping money and to make it more relevant, most aren't even playing 4-10 new years as year more liek 1-2, hell even 1 new game a year tbqh.
Depends on the game really. Not all games deliver the same amount of experience in terms of value. But its really up to the gamer to determine its value.
The fact that the diablo survey STARTS at $50 is very telling, they don't even want to hear how many people think that's a ripoff by giving lower options
Well, that statement was probably true at the time he said it. Times change and something that someone said may not hold up after a while. If it wasn't a pricing issue then, it is now.
Remember buying games for $50? Nice case, graphic art on the inside, sometimes reversible cover, booklet, poster, stickers if they cared enough. Lets not forget the collectors editions too. Now its $70 for a download or a disc that requires a day 1 patch or is just a key to download the full game.
In the Famicom days, they had production costs for physical cartridges. This cost was drastically lowered when they switched to disc. Now, most copies sold are digital, which have zero costs to manufacture. Not to mention the popularity of games since those days has also increased massively. They're full of SH17E.
Um but conversely renting or buying servers to keep the games available on cloud, maintaining autosaves, and updating the games real time has big back end costs. I am not saying you are wrong, but I think you aren't looking at both pros and cons of digital pricing.
How many sprites did the average Famicom game have, Zoltar? How many 3d models does the average AAA game in 2023 have? Wanna know what a $60 1993 SNES cartridge would cost nowadays adjusted to inflation? About $100. I'd say the content amount and quality makes up for the increased sales, manufacturing and distribution overheads in most cases. I am finding it really difficult to empathize with your tantrums given all the grief game devs went through with last year's mass layoffs. You are not the good guys in this argument.
If game prices continue to rise then we need legislation that protects our digital purchases. Make them PURCHASES again, not a stupid license. Also, legislation that makes live service games f2p, period. If you're gonna have micro transactions that cost as much as full on DLC, then you don't need to be charging for the game.
Publishers should honestly expect sales to crater if that's their plan. Not only is the world economy in a bad spot, $60 or above is already a steep price for some countries and $70 was already an issue. Plus, a lotta games just aren't worth even $60, so they're fooling themselves here
Have you forgotten how dumb some gamers are? The ones who are whales are the people that caused this problem. Indie-games are objectively better as the game isn't 60+ dollars, but " Hey this is 5-20 dollars okay? ", "Adds actual content improvements.
@@MaoRatto Oh, there's definitely people who would willingly pay $2k for a game or a cosmetic, but they are far from the majority. Eliminating the majority who can't justify $100 for one game and only focus on whales would be a dumb move
Unfortunately, people are dumb enough to pay $100 for a single game, especially if the game is from a huge franchise. I could see companies getting away with that bullshit. There would be some backlash, but not enough for them to lower the price. Every company will not get away will this, hell no. If $100 does become the standard, then having a complete game full of content should be our standard at the very least.
How are these companies not aware that we're entering another Great Depression. no one has that much money to spend on a game that the developers didn't even care about making.
The only reason why they’re thinking about increasing prices is because people are still buying their games. Sales are still massive despite the $70 price tag, so the argument that people don’t have enough money doesn’t really hold water. Either people DO have enough money or they value games so much they’d rather pay $70 for that instead for something else.
I live in a third world country (Brazil), for some time now I cannot pay for game releases because prices are very prohibitive, I have to wait 1-2 years later to buy with a big discount. And I'm sure others do the same here. If the price increases even more, we probably stop buying and resort to piracy, once again.
Sure, let's go back to physical distribution. Can't wait to see your face when you spill Dorito dust and scratch the $150 base copy of your latest FIFA disk (accounting for manufacture and logistics overheads) into uselessness a week after release.
@@zbaschtian I’ve only bought physical.. I still have PlayStation 1 games that are in damn near perfect condition. If you can’t take care of your stuff that’s on you lol.
In Australia we have had to pay more than $100 for some games for quite a while. Some people might say we don’t have real money. The idea of a game costing USD$100 terrifies me at the sorts of prices we will get in Australia
i will literally stop paying for games all together if this happens lmao. these people really do Not understand (or frankly, maybe they just don't care) that the cost of living these days makes it almost impossible for regular, non-upper class people to get by. even 70 dollars is outrageous to me. it's like they WANT people to pirate games or something
To be frank though you don't really have to stop gaming all together. You can just go to the greener pastures of the indie sphere and avoid big name titles like the plegue. Afterall AAA don't represent the whole industry only the overpriced and predatory titles on top that can get away with this shit.
They can charge whatever they want. All they're doing is encouraging people like me to wait and buy it on sale. Steam has never made it easier to wishlist something and wait for a big sale.
When the leading positions in companys are greedy and want more money, they always say "Higher wages need to be paid". And then continue to lay of their workers.
Welp, seems like the triple A industry is going to aink miserably. You are absolutely right, everything has become way too bloated and big. I am going to be honest, I have been looking at the credits of some recent big games and the length is completely ridiculous. Their programming teams are massive, and if you know anything about not even game dev, but software dev, it becomes a nightmare to coordinate and keep everyone in the same page. There's such a thing as too many cooks in the kitchen, ever wondered how come small reduced teams of 20 people can make way better and more polished games than these mega corporations? It's simple, it's because it's always the same 20 people working on it. They know the game they are making in and out. But in a big triple A studio there's layoffs, restructuring, shifting resources. One day one person can be working on a script, then someone else may have to pick it up where they left off... And then that first person has to come back and understand what the other did. Now imagine that but it's 50 people instead of 2 guys, and you have to make sure your work interacts well with what they did. And your manager just told you that we are introducing yet another mechanic to our immensely dense and over saturated open world game, that requires an overhaul of the whole thing. Now, there's big studios that don't operate like a clown fiesta, and they somehow manage to coordinate this. But there's a point where the time you spend on coordination overtakes the time actually developing the game, not to mention how mentally taxing and exhausting it must be to go to meeting after meeting. So bigger doesn't mean better, but companies don't understand that. They've been enlarged so much, so overly bloated and heavy, gorging themselves stuffed full of talent and employees that sometimes they just put them in a project to justify having them around. Even if all they end up doing is very detailed loaves of bread. And of course, when they over indulge themselves too much, they can't help but throw out all those people they consumed. In any case TL;DR current companies suck at management and they 100% could use their resources way better, split into smaller teams and create better more focused games, instead of the massive game triple A SCHLOP
This is the most important lesson I learnt from Valve and Lord Gaben: Never, ever pay full price for any game, no matter how awesome it is. Wait until its inevitable dirtiest, cheapest price comes and then go ahead buy it. Videogame companies nowadays don't deserve our money, at least not all the money they want to milk dry from us.
Pirate games that should be pirate, Ubisoft games should always be pirate no matter what, if it's a indie games shouldnt be pirate sometimes, never buy a sport game, always pirate Activision games or don't play them
Except for Larian. I did pirate BG3 but it was so good, the impressions I got from them was so good I bought it because I wanted to support that kind of work.
my steam backlog could keep me busy for the foreseeable future.... I just started playing Bioshock Infinite for the first time this last week that I purchased in 2019 for like $10. Thanks steam summer and winter sales!
Exactly, I've bought probably about 5 games full price in my entire life. Even before the Internet (I'm old) I would wait for sales or go to flea markets to find the guys selling pirated CDs.
lol what AAA devs? to be one they have to make more AAA titles then not and most games they make now are ABB lol its a grading system not a class of game. they def deserve a crash. its time we teach themm they cant just do as they please we are the customers wihtout us they flounder and since pirating is so simple these days they gonna learn it fast haha
Just because something has gotten bigger doesn’t mean it’s invincible. Research the original crash of ‘83 and you’ll find many of the same reasons for the original line up with current events in the gaming industry. I can’t go into full detail here, but the most notable examples would be excessively high pricing for both low quality games and consoles (of which there were many different consoles),as well the rise in PC gaming over console gaming (it also happened in the early 80s).
Every company kept saying Inflation but they increase price well over %30 while everyone in the USA is getting a bare minimum of %3 increase. How is this justified? Even Wal mart chickens and eggs prices came back down to regular prices after everything settle. If company kept increase prices, Instead of people buying more games and enjoy more new games we gonna sit and wait to buy the game that we really want to play at full price and wait other games prices to drop. Its gonna hurt their bottom line and their quarterly since not everyone can afford pull prices at $100. I haven't bought game at full prices since the $70 price tag. The only game I'm willing to pay full prices are Final fantasy series, naughty dog game, rock stars game. This gonna hurt other small company who think they can compete against these company. Most of these company are already charing $70 price tag for a game full of bugs and issues.
It mostly comes down to Cost vs. Convenience. Frankly, it's disgusting how sports games (of all games) set this stigma of "games need to cost more". While they quite literally drain the wallets of their players with microtransactions.
sports games are practically the same game with just a new year slapped on the cover.. and adding features that were already in previous titles and calling them "new features"
As an aussie that already has to pay over $100 for new AAA games, ive noticed most people i know (myself included) never buy games new anymore. Especially since usually 6 months later the games will be around half price, and less buggy. The only type of games anyone really buys day one is certain multiplayer games since they might be dead in 6 months.
@@WillStecho never even thought of that... Honestly with how many shit games that come out being in Canada as well I'll probably never buy a full priced game. I don't now anyways I'll use my VPN and stuff to buy
That's funny, Publishers are thinking about charging $100 for games, And there's me thinking about pirating every game out there and paying nothing for games lol 😇
I already come at the $70 price point with care. Back in ps3-ps4 days AAA games were a couple updates to complete after purchase or just pop in and play, now every game comes out and its 3-6 months updates will fix the game or its dry of content. I had to make a conscious well thought out decision buying a game when $70 hit, if games go up to $100 its gonna be “will this game change my life and my grandkids lives generations to come.” On the other hand i still have a backlog of 150+ games and rely on deals to get all my current games.
Man I always hate how often people bring up how game prices hadn't gone up in a long time. They also never mention how much money they make now compared to the 90s or 2000s, back when gaming was a strictly "nerdy" thing and not everyone was a gamer. Games sell like crazy nowadays, mostly due to the internet being such free publicity and putting games front and center for everyone to see
@@Dresdenstl also games these days are packed full of microtransactions and other predatory monetization. I'd actually be okay with a price increase if it meant zero battle passes, loot boxes, microtransactions, etc. But this is just them trying to have their cake and eat it too
Development cost went down too as someone pointed out before. And how could it not? Game companies fire people often and crunch the rest harder. Then they fill up games with only the cheapest and easiest to make content, like collectables. Not all games of course, but many. And then they leave the games in broken states lately as well, taking no time to fix them. Many AAA nowadays are overpriced overhyped turds.
Yeah I never understood it. I havent bought AAA games since about ten or so years ago. They are always low value, like 10-20 hours of meh gameplay, with a lame story and fancy but buggy graphics. Maybe I have been immune because I never cared about graphics, not even as a kid or a teen. So it really doesnt look like a good proposition me. There have always been plenty of great free games around, and now indie games are great, usually around the 10-25 dollar range, offering at least days of gameplay, that is polished and made by passionate creators. Not to mention they actually take risks and innovate...
seriously. i find gamers to have the least backbone out of anyone and just throw money then shrug it off or pikachu face every time the game is a complete failure....just dont spend your money. why is that so difficult!?
Tell that to the fanboys who will still buy it, even if it's an inferior version. Fuck Sniper Elite 5 fanboys. Some types of gamers are so starved of games that any new game of that type they'll justify the price. No matter what quality it is.
"Fighting back" and "voting with your wallet" are nonsense mottos fed by corporations to keep consumers happy. There will always be idiots with more money than common sense who will disregard your "vote" or "fight" by spending $50000 on skins and other shit, your vote or resistane is useless as long as idiots with too much money can spend as much as they do.
Yeah, it's because most gamers do not know how to grow a spine, and stand their ground against devs who release unfinished, messy and buggy piece of shit they call a game. Also, I blame the internet and streamers who turned gaming into a full time job where they have to buy, and play games on release😔.
I can't remember the last time I bought a game from a AAA publisher. The indie scene has been absolutely killing it for years now. My most played games have all been from non-AAA studios. AAA isn't producing anything fun, innovative, or complete for $70. I don't see that changing if they charge more.
Same here, during December's Steam sale I bought a ton of Indie titles and I've been having a blast with them. I'm only planning on getting Tekken 8 and Dragon's Dogma 2 but other than that....I'm just keeping an eye on Indie games.
Recently bought and completed Spacebourne 1, had a great time. Can't wait for 2 to be complete! Last year Everspace 2, which is phenomenal. And Dungeons of Edera, while "janky", also a lot of fun. Currently having an amazing time with Bloodstained, which i should have bought MUCH sooner.
"It's inflation" Nah, corporations just want more money to please ceos and shareholders. Almost every games are digital now and sell way more copies than they used to. Let's not forget all the macrotransactions.
I've been noticing that the higher the cost a game is the quicker it goes on sale. I'll never pay $70 for a standard game and I'm sure as heck not at $100. Game companies are crazy.
They are because game sales slow down after the first week so they want to keep it going, and what better way to make games 100$ so after a week or 2 you make its 30% and still rake in the big numbers as people will cave at that point, it's stupid.
Why yes, it'll go on sale extremely fast. $100 the first week, then 20% discount, which is a bigger discount than the price of most indie games! People will jump at the opportunity... to pay more than even the overpriced $70 games.
See that's how they get you. You won't pay $60, but you will pay $30 on sale. They increase the price to $70 and now the price on sale is $35 and you buy it for $5 more because "it's on sale".
Many of these CEOs are still making millions a year. It's not the job of the customer to support employees when these higher-ups are making more money than they know what to do with.
$70 is already too much, no way am I ever paying more. I tend to just wait for sales anymore. Plus a lot of trends newer games are doing has been putting me off gaming as a whole. If I want to play anything I have a huge backlog of titles that will last me quite a while.
Games will inevitably go up in price with the times as inflation continues over the years, but some will be more justified in a price hike than others. Games that are heavily monetized and that have already technically been more expensive to fully enjoy don't deserve any leeway.
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I think what the games industry doesn't seem to understand is the vast majority of gamers have hundreds of backlog games. Most of us could stop buying games for a decade and still have plenty to play.
Right? I have like 20 games i still haven't touched or need to finish, and honestly it prevents me from buying anything new unless that something is a game i have been waiting for.
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Great point. If you are a gamer of a certain age, the patience is crazy (ie. Back log, or slow burn enjoyment). I mean do I really have to play the next “now”. These games will be here next year for reduced price.
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Yeah, but they don’t care about any other games BUT their game, or at least the game they are currently releasing. They push them out and just forget them after a week, because that’s what they want
The plan is not to charge customers $100 to buy a game. The plan is to charge customers $100 to buy a license to play a game -- a license which can be revoked by the publisher, at any time, for any or no reason.
AND then they also add all the microtransactions in .
So... less for more?👀 Seems to be the ongoing trend with a lot of stuff🫠
Close, as this is already what happens.
The plan is to make every game prohibitively expensive so that every game service gives up selling games and moves to game rental subscriptions as Xbox Game Pass and Origin Ultimate already did. This way they guarantee revenue.
First they'll include extra DLC in a second more expensive tier, then they'll start selling even more exclusive DLC separately even for the higher tier. Then they'll either add a third tier or push up the price of the higher tier.
We'll see the same fragmentation as we do in the streaming service space, a bunch of companies will fail and there'll be layoffs. But that doesn't matter because the game investors will take their cut.
Yup Remember we have to be "comfortable" in NOT owning a game. We now Simply rent them, like in the day of blockbusters
You will own nothing and you will be happy moment.
I don't even pay $60 for most games, videogame corporations are completely delusional 💀
Millions do.. and they will pre order 80$ games. And then buy 200$ premium editions.
In the end they will justify it with: "I can spend my money on what I want."
Casual gamers are idiots sorry. Seen that GTA can cost 100$ it's ok tweet? Lost
It's all about chasing whales who pay way more than everyone else. Very unfortunate.
There are a ton of indie games where you can spend 100s or 1000s of hours that cost less than $40. Some around $20.
@@saschaberger3212Wow there ! Don't you fuckin dare put casual gamers and morons in the same fuckin category. I'm a casual gamer. Am I like these fuckin idiots ? No, I'm not !
@@saschaberger3212i have a big library of games…like free games from many different platforms(epic game weekly free game, amazon gaming, legacy, gog, ubisoft and more )…games i got for cheap during blackfriday or any 70-90% sells…i get many used triple A games on facebook marketplace for cheap. While i wait for games to go down in price i play my massive library games that just keeps getting bigger 😅
Poor corporations they're not growing enough boo hoo. They're digging their own grave with this greed.
Publisher : raises price to $70
Me : waits 3 years before buying the game on sale
Publisher : raises price to $100
Me : *waits even harder*
My god man dont go full diamond, you never go full diamond.
Me ... dont buy at all
Publisher : 😢
@@jacksmith-mu3eeor be like captain jack and pirate
Lmaoo 💀
Hahaha this.
Stubborn, I like it, I do the same.
"Dear gamers, please pirate our games, we want to go bankrupt."
-Publishers
with pleasure
🤣That's the most funniest comment i ever see.
If you’re going to spend more than 60 bucks for a game, buy it off G2A. Publishers actually lose money if you buy of there
@@user-fb4vl9mh5jso funny…
Denuvo: hi. i'm Denuvo, i would like to *BENCHMARK YOUR PC WHILE PLAYING GAMES FOR NO REASON.*
So a single game should be nearly 1/5 the cost of a brand new console? When half these games are broken, unfinished, and filled with microstransactions? On top of everything going digital making it so we don’t even own the games we are paying that price for? Get the F*** out of here.
Also, you don't own it.
Also, PS6 won't be 500$
Trust me
We've got "top" game studios releasing poor quality, half-finished games, a consumer base thats starting to turn against them, a marketplace saturated with identical games (open world survival crafting, fornite clones, stardew clones), and studios pushing for unsustainable price hikes when consumers are already suffering from inflation.
A lot of these conditions existed in the 1980s. It's called a market crash.
I hope these companies realize that if people had to decide between buying games or food, food will always win.
I hate the idea of them going up in price, not just because of how much playing video games already costs; but because even if we pay 100 dollars for games, they'll still shove a shitload of microtransactions in them and pay to win bullshit.
The only way we can combat this is to boycott the games as soon as the price increase gets implemented. But then again, People will still pay crazy amount for games.
The masses will just accept and continue to buy, I'm guessing. However, those of us with cooler heads will watch sales and buy games 2 years later at 80% off or more.
The increase still sucks as it raises the same price as well, assuming they'll stick with similar percentages.
Let's be real. Many of the games of these companies weren't even worth 60 $ to begin with. For that price I would expect an exceptional game that I would remember a decade or two from now. These companies are just selling games to sell you microtransactions. It isn't about fun. "We don't use the word 'fun'" one executive even said before. It is about making a game that costs as little as possible, while milking the player as much as possible. They are cutting corners while developing games. I have seen it with Final Fantasy. It is best to only buy such games at bargain bin prices of 20 $ or less if at all.
@@hoppa_2184 for real. I'm a sale only buyer (rare exceptions for cheap indie titles). Few companies have released anything more than a "paid beta" in recent years. I'm going to keep waiting until complete editions are released before I consider a purchase.
But it's harder for players that only play online. Communities only last for so long for a game (especially when they are routinely under baked). I feel for them.
They do not need a price increase. They just need to cut executive salaries and pay developers more.
You want exects to starve?
You monster.
Without them those game would fail.
They need even more money.
And cut the graphics that would help cut the budget as well
They already get payed over 6 figure salaries. They need to be whipped into make good games that are fun again.
The devs are making a lot of money too. Obviously not nearly as much as the executives but they are making nothing...
@@MatJan86bobby only has 3 yachts, he needs his 4th one guys plz understand
We just BARELY went to $70, and now they are trying to push $100? Fuck that.
For real
If they are ok with trying to sell us $100 games, Then they should be ok with us pirating the games for free.
They push shit all the time these days. Its exhausting. When will these imbeciles realize that forcing things on people never works? Sure you might get your way for a while. But once the resentment is there it will only grow.
@@alphonsejohnson5601how would you even pirate games for modern consoles
I dont mind paying $100 for a complete, no patch required type of game with all future updates free. But i have to get at least 200 hours out of it for it to be worth 100 bucks, replayability is a must.
Paying $100 bucks for a remake of skyrim sounds like a good deal to me but mind you it must have all dlc included. Red dead redemption 1 remake in the style of RDR2 is also a contender for a $100 game. Games that are online would not do so good priced at $100 such as shooters or anything that will die out as players stop playing.
Timeless video games that are brought back to life like mass effect and dead space where the developers spend lots of time to try and fulfill their original vision with newer available technology, I will gladly support by buying a well done remake at $100.
New games must stay at 70 or less to be viable. Raising prices assumes your product is better than what is and has been out there. Youd be taking a leap of faith on new fan bases.
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And watch the gaming industry crumble while hack journalists write "nobody wants to play video games anymore; why the gaming industry is dying and consumers are to blame"
"It's all your fault, you hear me!? I shat on you and you didn't even pay me for the privilege, it's all your fault!"
Ooh! Maybe they'll blame millennials for it, too! Now there's a broken record those putzes keep spinning.
Yep. That's what's going to happen. That same concept is or has played out so many times in so many different sectors.
I mean whats really going to happen is indie games will take over and pirating will be the go to thing again.
It is important to keep in mind the AAA publishers that push these price hikes don't represent the whole industry. What I can see instead is a decline in sales in the AAA sphere and a shift towards smaller developers.
Then again a the same time there are too many people with blind loyalty and casual players for this to bring down AAA scene entirely.
Not only is $70 rediculous, but then there’s micro transactions, premium bundles, dlc’s etc etc. how can they truthfully explain a price hike if micro transactions exist???
4-26$ for Decent Indie game
60-70$ for Live serviced, Denuvo crap, Microtransaction from Paid games, Stupid buggy mess > Gollum+Rise of Kong+The Day Before+Redfall+Forspoken = This
was all for $70. Because AAA devs in the past said if they increase the price mc will go away. It didn't. that's why I refused to pay it. Didn't buy a single $70 game.
Same. Never will buy a $70 game, and rarely ever will buy a $60 game since additional costs get tied into them.
Why is 70$ ridiculous?
Perhaps for some games.
Small ones that take a few hours to finish.
To Platinum .
Do you realise how expensive games have become to make?🤔
@@GameslordXY triple a accidentally makes their own scarecrow on trailers, to deter customers but attracts triple a slanderers
Remember when digital games were supposed to be cheaper relative to physical since they didn't have to manufactur anything?
exactly
"Putting up the price but lowering the quality of games just makes sense ." Some CEO thats never played a game in their life
Not a single cent of the extra $20-$40 will go to the actual devs. It's just for the executes and shareholders to get even more money than they already do.
Honestly, the fact some of them have the audacity to blame us and put up "Think of the underpaid devs 😢" like they're some meat shield is straight up disgusting.
Yeah it sucks "think our poor employees" proceeds to pick up 1mil bonus for 10th time
Completely agree, all they ever want is more and more money in their pockets and they really don't give a rats about their devs let alone their customers. As far as they're concerned if they could take ALL the money, we know for a fact, they certainly would w/o even blinking twice about it.
I'm a dev, and this is a billion percent true lmao. We don't get paid based on how well a game does (or doesn't, fortunately).
@@hamptertimewell you should have. Why don't you go indie or create something by uniting most of you instead of relying to these abominations?
If you all decide to leave them at their own devices I'm sure they'll change their tune.
Sure might not do it but if big enough number does that they get crushed or you negotiate for better agreements.
Also have you indie games? If so gimme some titles please, I'm interested if you have in steam or GOG games preferably
@@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ Unfortunately I don't think it would work tbh, they'd just look for the cheapest option an go for it before actually trying to cut a deal w/ the devs, hell, if Activision is any example they hired a union busting company JUST to stop their devs from unionizing so they can keep treating them like dogs. I for one think the devs should be the FIRST to get paid THEN the company. Pay the ones who ACTUALLY MAKE THE GAMES an they'll show them what kinda money they'd make em. but no, that makes it impossible for them to get their 5th yacht let alone their nice squishy 1-10 mil bonus every year it's honestly disgusting
“Games should cost more,” and “Gamers should get used to not owning their games.” Combined, I think I’ll just grab golden oldies and indies for peanuts and enjoy that. Also, every cent of that price increase is going into investors pockets, lets not kid ourselves.
This needs more likes, because it's the truth, I would do much the same.
Fuck em. I try to pay for my games when I have the budget. But I ain't losing sleep over not getting "official" copies if they keep this shit up.
I'm glad I switched to VR, they're much cheaper even the huge AAA VR games like Asgard's Wrath 2 and Half Life Alyx.
honestly yeah, if these price increases were at least being justified as a way to increase the game developer's salary then I'd be fine with it, but everyone knows this is being done for the sole purpose of corporate profits
F those greedy investors for ruining the game industry.
Publishers wet dream future (Nightmare fuel):
>$100+
>You don't own it
>Requires online connection
>Expires after 5 years
Micro transcations, dont forget those!
5 years? Awfully generous, aren't we?
Expires after a week*
You have to pay a USAGE FEE every time you boot the game
Sad but true. Which is too bad, i play many games for more than 5 yrs after release >< but sadly this will happen sooner than later 😭
The question I have for developers is, what makes your game worth the extra money? How much more content and better quality is your new games that makes them worth $80-$100? I bet no games will be any better than previous ones, even while they are charging much more money.
You make a good point.
That'd be the publishers you should be posing that question to.
That was the argument for the increase to 70 dollars and i see no increase in quality (if anything it dropped) and we still see microtransactions 😂
It’s often said that piracy is a service issue and not a price issue.
But at the same time, nobody in their right mind wants to spend $100 for a single video game.
Yes, it's clearly also a pricing issue. That's why there's way more piracy in countries where buying a game is way harder (or impossible) economically for the average gamer.
It is, in a big part, a pricing issue. A developer (PirateSoftware) made a short about this with a game he's developing. He localized the price to Brazil (a country where piracy is rampant) to be in line with people's income, and that country is funding 25% of the income for the development of the game (since right now it's in early access).
"But at the same time, nobody in their right mind wants to spend $100 for a single video game."
That's part of the problem though. Collector's editions go up to $100, and the people buying that are people roped in by the marketing.
@@dragonicmicrophone6594yeah man but you are at least not FORCED to buy that shi
But we did. Most of the time. In 1998, a game would retail 40-50 dollars at release. Today, that is around 90 dollars.
Day by day I feel myself getting closer to becoming a pirate.
if they want to charge 60% more money as the new standard then they DAMN WELL BETTER be making the next elden ring EVERY TIME.
Yo ho 🏴☠️
Time to said the high seas.
@@quantum5661 yeah but they wont. itll be subpar trash
@@quantum5661 imagine paying $100 for D3 or D4. lol
Ceo: i want to increase my salary and not that of the workers who make me money
Ceo *increases game prices*
Consumers: *dont buy product*
Ceo: time to fire employees for not making quota
Fr
Corpo capitalism. If revenue isn't infinite or arbitrarily easy to pump out, it's the workers fault!
welcome to capitalism
I'm sure some bootlickers will be along shortly to defend this practice.
@NoOne-py5or I'm hardcore conservative in most moral values, and I still can see the issue with capitalism that makes OP entirely correct.
Anything ending in -ism is bad, we knew this in the 40s/50s.
Have they ever considered that if they dropped the prices to like 25-30 bucks they'd not only sell more copies but probably end up with more fans and cash in the end?
these people have room temperature IQ in celcius and can't understand basic common sense. they still won't understand even when they see it actually happening like Palworld. the game is early access and has sold like 6 million copies in 4 days. why? cause it's $30 = very affordable price, so people buy it. and this is early access, Xbox and PC only, game pass. 6 million of people preferred to spend $30 that get it on gamepass.
Plus more in game purchases. They would make more money in the long run. I'm not spending seventy dollars or more for a game. They can get bent.
not necessarily how it works
@@7WhiteSwordCrash 4 was only 40 bucks and it sold incredibly well and had a TON of alt skins that are earned by getting gems in each level. Its a perfect examole of how MTX arent needed in any capacity especially in a single player game. Its that CEOs are heartless, greedy, manipulative assholes who will do whatever rhey can get away with that benefits them. And yiu bet your ass they wish they could add loot boxes again.
It's also good to note that back when AAA games were $50 dlc and microtransactions didn't exist. It was the price to own the game, not an entry ticket to play and pay more.
You need to go up! This is a good comment.
Yeah but new users do not know that
Board games have no such problem
$100 games will be with us soon..
@@Kr33golaYup. Those of us who've been playing games since the early 2000s and before are NOT their target audience. They want the fortnite crowd and the yungins don't know any better despite us telling them.
If I have to get comfortable with “Not owning games” publishers need to get “Okay with piracy”
I dont think anyone actually read the article he didnt actually say that
Why do you think they are making online only games in the first place?
Im not defending shitty companies but i feel that article got incredibly moss represented in what he actually said.
@@ctg4818i mean yes profits are always what companies are going to strive towards and that has made a lot of shitty games but I'm saying specifically that article about the ubisoft exec has been kinda blow out of proportion
@@ambari12it got misconstrued because this is exactly what companies are doing to us.
Where’s my eye patch….
If games costing 100 dolla
I’m pirating THE FUCK outta them
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@@lstsoul4376 you do realise people pirated the harry potter game and it had denuvo you can't stop the pirates
I think if companies weren't already doing all the scummiest crap in the book then $100 would be fine. I think most people know how hard it is to make a good game.
HOWEVER $100 games will have:
Day 1 DLC
DLC
Data collection
Rootkit DRM
Aggressive micro-transactions
Pay to win
Always online requirements (even for single player)
Multiple tier "extras" packs like GOY, ultimate or other editions
Game being in an early access bug ridden crappy state and fixed later
Future plans to raise the prices
Denuvo is a dogshit drm many turrent makers are still able to create a downloadable launch ver of the a game with that dumb shit@@lstsoul4376
We live in a time where games are equal in cost to monthly bills.
which state do you live in where rent cost 60$ a month?
@@7WhiteSword70$
I don't think the gaming industry realizes that playing video games is an option, not a necessity. Without the consumer, these companies would collapse
I don't think you realise that the average consumer, which likely numbers in the tens of millions, if not more, will willingly buy any game priced at £100 and have no issue with that
yet brainless sheeps keep coming for grass
@@odinwhoknowstoomuch8589That's an L AND delusional take. Go to ANY comment sections, ANY form, ANY review section for triple A games over the last 10 years... Nobody in their right mind will ever pay 100$ plus for incomplete and/or mediocre cash grab sequals that are ALSO INCOMPLETE. Relax. There is no tens of millions. There simply is not. Throw that out of your little mind.
I remember when new games were $50
Exactly. They are trying to turn fun hobbies into luxury services. Just not going to work with the gaming community.
The worst part about this is that 90% of this will go straight to the scumbag CEO and executives while everyone else below gets table scraps or the boot.
This is the truth of the matter which is why these price increases are bull.
Nintendo flourishes by giving us more games and experiment on services because they put the money back into the business to grow and retain talent as not everything will be a hit.
I would buy into their PR if all these companies actually knew how to grow a creative business through action but they don't.
Exactly! Shareholders and CEOs will see all the rewards, and workers and consumers will not.
This
@@maryford3676 Pfffff Nintendo is the worst.
They scrap libraries off the earth on a whim, they rerelease the same games over and over and over and over for a FULL PRICE.
Their hardware is almost always overpriced, and where they were innovating was the handheld hardware field, which has now become their only hardware product.
They're now competing with Steam, Lenovo, and ASUS but are cracking down hard on Emulation despite refusing to give any of those companies a run for their money and don't actualky what to put in the work to see what consumers actually want.
Their online marketing team might be deployed 24/7, but I highly recommend they give their execs paycuts, and put that money into making a console that's worth its price and games that are worth buying a console for - instead of just cracking down on Emulation.
Edit: Oh and they're making games now based on what the YT or tik tok algorithm tells them "will sell". RIP creativity.
Bungie did that, reason final shape was delayed...also wondering who at bungie thought Lightfall was perfect
I'm convinced at this point the gaming industry is trying to crash It's self again
Wouldn't be a bad thing... Think of it as a controlled burn to let new foliage grow.
The people telling corporations that they are okay being ripped off for $100 have the neurological activity of a rock.
Or just really rich 😂
A lot of rich people are like rocks then.
@@EagleZtoTheGrave Even if you are a billionaire and buy a game for $100 that does not make it any less stupid. Its the principle of paying for something that is not worth the price, if someone is willing to align themselves with a corporation to be ripped off for a product just becuse they can afford to be ripped off, is even more thick headed and is just enabling a coportate justification for rasing prices when it does not need too.
idk gta6 doe
the rich are like that. many of them are dumb as rocks and would not survive one night by themselves.
Can't wait for people to defend this by saying "Times are changing guys games are expensive to make plus this means better and more polished games." and call everyone else poor for calling these companies out.
My thoughts exactly there. I've seen SO many people trying to justify price increases with this exact same script.. X(
Unfortunately COD MWIII 2023 proves the quality isn't going up...
And there not even better games most of the time there half finished at release and get axed after a month screw paying 100$ for that.
Because these games are expensive to make. Then again I guess you never ran a business before.
Times are changing, games are expensive to make. That doesn't justify the price hike many of these publishers are trying to push.
*Game Publishers:* _"Let's increase the price of games again!"_
*Me:* _"Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for meeee..."_
Also: _♪ Do what you want; 'Cause a pirate is free; You are a pirate… ♪_
good luck pirating PS5 games they make artifically scarce by only releasing on their console.
@@p.ukem0n327 Emulation still exist, and the demand will help make it better.
@@p.ukem0n327Theres plenty of games… no need to play console exclusives
I'm going to be KING of the pirates!!!!!
I don’t know how they justify price raises when it’s already a dice roll whether the game will be finished and bug free at launch for $70. I’ve never once been able to tell a publisher “oh I’ll be $40 for this full priced game” yet they continually get away with underbaked product
It's not even a dice roll....its about 95% that AAA games will not be complete and have a lot of bugs at launch...and even a possibility to blame the consumers that their PCs (for PC versions) are the problem and not the game (yes Todd Howard)....
We already have companies pushing 70$ games with less than 4 hours of content made of reused assets. What's 100$ going to get us? An hour of gameplay, microtransactions, and 70$ dlc?
"Modern" Warefare
😭@@klaushassen3954
Imagine if people stopped paying for them
Yeah if they go 80 to 100 bucks I’m just gonna move to steam and wait for steam sales
I mean they technically already do tbh. Just look at Street fighter 6,Mortal Kombat 1 and Tekken 8 ultimate editions for example. Each is over $100 and the stuff they offer imo ain't worth that much and with said dlc pass,it don't even comes up to that much. These companies really really want to give less for more so bad and have been for a long time. Imo it should happen because I get the feeling that will cause the next video game crash we need tbh
I'm in Canada and I stopped buying new games when they went from $60 to $80. The prices are going up but the quality of AAA games keeps going down. The big publishers normalized selling an incomplete or broken product at release.
Playstation and Nintendo exclusives are quality
@@aalwayslucky428 Pokemon Scarlet sais hello. Paper Mario: Color Splash, Skyward Sword had gamebreaking bugs, Mario Kart.
Sony had persona 5 and persona 5 royal which you had to re-buy. Couldn't be DLC. Life of Black Tiger. Sony also wanted rebuys for ps5 quality.
I'll agree that a lot of PS and Nintendo exclusives are fine. Not all of them.
Careful there, nowadays speaking the truth is dangerous...
That's why you play indie games! Hah!
Me too. I wait for a sale
You know what hasn't gone up? My pay. year on year with the increase from £40, to £60 and now £70 I buy less games. I only buy a fraction of what I used to.
Same. I can’t remember the last time I bought an AAA title brand new. I wait for heavy sales now, if I pick it up at all.
The video game industry can do what ever it wants all I know is that I'll never pay over 30$ for a game. I'll never pay full price for a game.
The thing is, games don't have to be so expensive to make, the indie market proves as much. The problem with the triple-A industry is that it has become unsustainably bloated, because they've fallen into the same trap as the film industry, where every release has to be a blockbuster.
Exactly.
It's even worse for the gaming industry since indie games can blow up quite big very quickly.
Also all those many people working in areas that aren't directly involved in making the game itself. Just watch any of those endless AAA credits roll. No way a good game needs this many people to be made.
Rampant corruption is probably a bigger issue, very little of all the money they make is going toward the devs that made it, it's all going toward the CEOs at the top that sit on their ass in some boardroom all day.
Yeah! AAA game companies/studios having more than 200 (or maybe as same 300 as OG COD MW2) developers are WAY TOO MUCH for their sustainability, I mean 2000 Activision devs (as opposed to 300) is already not worth it. The same reason why there are too many layoffs (or as we know it...AAA gaming bubble burst)
Just a reminder that nobody forced publishers to increase budgets to ridiculous levels
they were forced by consumer demand for moar!!!!!
@@mr.kwamid-86_43 not really. if anything ppl want indie games budgets to be more for they can do more.
They had to pay or the CEO's and executives, they are also legally required to make money by any means nessesairy (per the law). Publicly traded companis are garbage 100%
and their budget increases are to advertising most likely and nothing else
Publishers could have said No to the "moar" mentality or just ignored it. They 100% had a choice and they chose to balloon budgets to unsustainable levels @@mr.kwamid-86_43
I really gotta give credit where credit is due. The big publishers really put in so much effort into enabling me to clear my backlog without ever having to pay for a new AAA title ever again. Thank you so much guys.
Exactly
Aye... replaying the Stalker Series hasnt been this fun in a long time.
If this keeps going then I'm sure the gaming industry will see a huge decline in sales, whilst we go to our backlogs until games come down to a reasonable price.
They won't care about the numbers at that point. They'll be making the same amount of money off a fraction of the sales. There's a staggering number of people who are just plain stupid enough to pay whatever anything costs, because they're bad with money, and simply don't care, as long as they get what they want.
They'll go bankrupt before they drop game prices.
As someone who plays mainly indie and buys bigger games only during massive sales, I can only say to the gaming community: Do the same. Bug publishers don't deserve your hard earned money with their broken and unfinished garbage with in-game stores. 100$ is insane.
If everyone did that they just wouldn’t make games anymore
@@sk8ermGs And this would be a bad thing? I don't think they wouldn't make games anymore. They would be forced to make good games with reasonable budget and marketing behind it, without greed and higher ups who get millions in profit. And even if big publishers stop making games, I don't see this as a huge problem. Let smaller and independent teams keep developing amazing games. Nobody needs a 100$ game with an in-game shop, 20$ skins or other nonsense. I happily pay 60$ for a finished product like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3, physical even 70$. But paying full price became very rare for me.
@@sk8ermGsNo it would make games better. You either never played Ps1 and ps2 and don’t remember how great games used to be, no paywalls, no buggy messes, no “dlc”. Or you are being paid to spread stupidity.
@@RipperMaggoo would be nice but will never work too many people aren’t cheap like you and just wanna buy games
@sk8ermGs man i hate this mind set of course they are going to try 59 course correct like why dont people treat bad games like bad food if you don't like it don't buy it
The company behind the highest grossing entertainment product in human history said they're not charging people enough. I think that says all that needs to be said about bloating corporate greed.
It's never enough to get a lot of money, they need to get ALL the money, and then more
Here's the thing
When GTA VI launches and it costs 100€ everywhere, Nintendo and Konami and Fromsoft and any other never-discount Company will see and adapt to it and then the entire Industry follows.
The worst thing then will be, that we have to deal with more Game Pass Ubisoft PS Plus Ahh Subscribtions that flood the market like the Movie-Streaming Market
Oh and Piracy will probably reach an all time high
I find most modern games struggle to justify even a 60 dollar price tag, as far as quality and originality of the experience goes.
Beat me to it. Games today bareley function, constantly have features removed and sold back if you're lucky plus there's the very real chance the game won't even be playable if it doesn't sell gangbusters. Why tf are we being charged more for increasingly worse and worse products?
With how many are broken at launch and have to be fixed it’s ridiculous
@bleachknight90Yeah the only games worth $100 in the past 10 years was witcher 3, bulders gate 3, elden ring, Harry potter and maybe a couple more. All other games were merely rushed.
@bleachknight90sadly baldurs gate isn't worth 80 if everything worked properly maybe but I've lost hours of data and faced almost triple digit crashes.
I feel the same. If I cannot justify it is worth full price I wait for a sale. My back log keeps me busy until a sale and I do not mind waiting. As for 80-100 games...NO THANKS! I will wait a whole year for a sale if that is what it takes
They have been building to this for several years. First of all is get everyone buying digital. This neatly suppressed all those pesky second hand resellers. Those shops and ebay were all that was keeping prices under control.
The upside is that there's already so much out there that you can pick up second hand, it'd take a decade or more of only selling digital to make a dent.
remember, if buying is not owning, piracy is not stealing
Everything is a "license" to "own" this is what soldiers fight and die for lol
Privacy to me is never stealing it just like borrowing a game from a friend.
can we start with, "no one generating hundreds of thousands of dollars in net profit with their labor should get paid less than 50% of the money that was created using their bodies" because if we dont, we're stuck in a semantical argument about how europe basically owns the planet and everyone on it because they created this system to make themselves perpetually on top despite never having a way to show where the wealth came from without admitting to masses of crimes against humanity. and how the ability to be alive is literally illegal if you arent actively allowing someone else to take 99.99% of the profit you are generating.
@@thelordofanime6150 If it is all digital, nobody can share their games and there are no loss of sales due to reselling used games. So yeah, pirating is borrowing.
Its not a full on videogame crash like we had in the 80s but we're definitely going thru a recession. I havent seen videogame companies act so desperate in my life.
Post flu bubble crash
People spended money like crazy in entertainment during covid
Arrow up ⏫
But when back to normal after
Arrow down ⬇️
Companies are chasing the high
Its more like they put out unfinished boring game they spent hundreds of millions on and than wondering why it don't sell. Plenty of actual good games got their money back and than some because they actually offered a satisfying experience. Even got indie games blowing up like vampire survivor or lethal company because they just made a fun game for a good price and it caught on.
Videogame companies are desperate to price gouge their customer base for sub par experiences. They hide behind graphics and marketing campaigns which is where all the hundreds of millions of dollars are going to. Than when you actually play the game you see how shallow it is that's why many AAA games try to avoid showing gameplay as long as possible instead showing more cinematic trailers setting money on fire trying to put makeup on a turd.
This is far worse than the video game crash in the 80s these big AAA companies are laying off thousands of people now far more than their was developers in total back than. Billions upon billions of dollars are concentrated in these companies now that even a little slip up is a huge deal.
How are they desperate?
@@victor_734 they are grasping for straws/money
@@victor_734 youre probably too young. But there was an era where full ps2 games cost $40. Now we have $70 games, loot boxes, skins, live service, dlc, no creativity-people just copy each other and some of the games still come out bad. Also piracy has gotten worse so big publishers are desperate.
this is why i believe that the indie industry will get a big push really soon
I anticipate a lot of big studios are going to collapse in the next few years, followed by a dramatic increase in indie studios as former staff of those companies group up to make their own passion projects.
Or the indie scene will follow suit
@@wolfy6815 Well if the big studios fall at least some of those Indie studios will likely blow up when gamers start playing their shit more and if that causes the Indies to go into the stock market than stockholder interest will probably ruin them too like it has down to big studios...any indie studio owner who respects their own work will keep their company privately owned rather than risk destroying their brand like these bigger companies do.
@@Uzarran RE6 almost put Capcom out of business. I can't remember if it was SF5 financed by Sony or the MASSIVE success of Monster Hunter World that saved their ass.
@@XVa-uj8m it was Monster Hunter World that saved them
I don't think I could afford a 100$ game
Corporate greed. Time to wake up people. Time to say no! Stop paying these ridiculous prices.
I wish but dumbasses will continue to pay for it especially for sports games and cod
Yeah.... that message went out to gamers after horse armor. They don't want to wake up.
Gamers are beyond brain dead, bethesda release garbage after garbage after garbage and they are foaming at the mouth to buy the next product.
When a game releases broken (Cybergarbage 2077) and 10 years later they fix it and have the audacity to charge for some shit content gamers immediately started praising them.
if gamers could read they would be angry.
Ya man, I am not paying for the mk1 price too, we can wait for better discount, let them eat dort
We entered a gaming era where pirating a game is better than buying it legally
this shit is outrageous
I only pirate game company i hate like Ubisoft, EA or the cod company
We could be approaching another "fill a landfill with ET cartridges" moment.
@@HiSodiumContent A few people have actually said within the next 3 to 5 years we'll experience another crash if shit like this keeps up.
Where are some places to download games. I have a few games I bought that I want back up of
@@chaoschaoforeverit wouldn't surprise me at all given the direction games are headed. I've been playing tons of city of heroes as of late and that is completely free. If game companies expect us to take out a mortgage to afford our games it is going to cause a crash for the industry.
“Ultimate Editions” already reach that price.
Imagine paying 1/4th of a console price to play another 6 out of 10 Ubisoft game.
Edit: It’s cute how some of you think your little “gamer boycott” temper tantrums will actually work in an economic system this fundamentally against the 99%. They have never systematically changed anything and never will.
honestly, save both your time and money on rehashed ubisoft games
They have been sneaking this stuff in..slowly. Indoctrination.
The only person at fault for that would be yours. Who in their right mind would buy an Ubisoft game at full price and expecting it to be good.
so STOP buying their bullshit.
Ubisoft straight up digging their graves recently.
I'm all for it.
The fact that games are arguably getting worse in all categories except graphics(which is worthless towards making a good game) and devs still think they deserve more money is wild.
I don't spend money anymore before I do extensive research into the quality of the game, Cyberpunk 2077 saved me in this way.
the devs deserve the money. they don't get it, and that's the main problem. these price changes are caused by a want from the higher-ups for more money in their pockets.
also, saying "games" so broadly acts as if the AAA space is the ONLY space of games to exist.
@squiddu Sorry, I should have narrowed it down to AAA games(and not even all AAA games, there are exceptions). That being said yes the do deserve money for the work they put in. The problem is that AAA is like an adult who has drawn and painted all their life, made a career out of it, and now they are drawing stick figures asking for the same money+more than they asked for when they were painting Monet style paintings, just because of name recognition/brand alone. Just because they take longer to make a bad game doesn't mean they deserve more money for a worse product.
Now, to be fair, a lot of this observation could be attributed to me slowly growing away from games(though that's primarily because i keep getting burned by franchises i loved).
@squiddu and another thing, yeah, absolutely, the higher-ups should definitely prepare bigger budgets for game development, but again, that's not the people who want to buy games faults and the higher price will not make them more money in the long run because alot of people already feel like $60 is to much money for a new game much less $70 or an even higher number. All it will do is make the people who were already on the fence about a game hop off and look for an alternative(which obviously means in the long run they lose that customer) or wait until it's on sale because everybody has their own internal value of money.
@@squidduNot entirely. With insanely basic estimates, Bethesda having 450 employees and an us avg salary of 70k per developer.
Star Field was in development for 10 years... Yea, that's $300 million in just labor.
Sure, the entire studio wasn't working on it full time, but we also didn't factor in marketing costs that, by some strange ass magic I still don't get, can be nearly equal to development costs.
Just saying, the rough math doesn't really reveal any bullshit according to their claims.
The real take away is massive open world games are just fucking expensive lol.. and it is, cuz it's a shit ton of work.
The graphics don't even live up to the expectations. By this date I expected these games to look photo realistic and 3-D.
They will make it 100 to then pretend they are so generous when giving you a 30% discount a month later. Which would still be 70 bucks...
Classic marketing
And these idiots on Twitter saying that they are willing to pay 100 bucks. What is wrong with these people? You never tell a merchant that you'll pay more!
It is a type of religion to them. In the past people made offerings or donated money to the church to please the Gods. And regardless of what you think of religion this at least provided a sense of community and a belief system. These fan boys replace the church with the game company and the Gods with the characters. The major difference is that the gaming industry isn't made to instill community and a set of morality. It is meant to provide entertainment and make money.
It’s rich kids that don’t buy their own games or work for them
NPCs, the lot of them. Whether the digital variant or the biological one remains to be seen.
I think those people said:" I would pay 100€ for a game if it has a great quality and has no microtransactions.". The chances of both happening is very slim.
First worlders who can't value their own money. As a poor person in Brazil that has about 181 games on Steam and where AAA games are easily a third of the month's food supply, the situation is already morally obligating me to pirate, let alone now.
They're insane. $100 is half the minimum wage in my country, people won't starve to pay for games, they're shooting themselves in the foot.
CEOs really think that pirating is not an option for us
And over here in Europe 100 euros is a week's worth of groceries for a bog standard family. In a similar vein, that's nearly the amount you'd spend on a full tank of fuel for a typical sedan. Them thinking we'd be okay with spending this much for one game is ridiculous.
@@primodragoneitaliano Yeah and shopping money isn't what it used to be some 15-20 years ago, all you needed was a 50 or less and that was going enough. Nowadays, 100 doesn't even seem enough forget it with 70 dollars, that's basically a no because this is people's earned shopping money and to make it more relevant, most aren't even playing 4-10 new years as year more liek 1-2, hell even 1 new game a year tbqh.
I mean, if your wage is $100 then you don't have a PC to play newest AAA games, then why bother?
As someone who dosent pirate, im about to join a crew of maties.
This aint inflation. This is extortion
Yep
Man, the gaming industry is getting worse.
This is exactly what is going on. We are living during a price-fixed period everywhere we look, not just gaming.
Depends on the game really. Not all games deliver the same amount of experience in terms of value. But its really up to the gamer to determine its value.
Are you being forced to buy games?
The fact that the diablo survey STARTS at $50 is very telling, they don't even want to hear how many people think that's a ripoff by giving lower options
Remember when Gabe Newell said piracy is rarely a pricing issue?
It may very well become a pricing issue soon.
It always has been a pricing issue in developing world.
How so?@@dagnisnierlins188
Well, that statement was probably true at the time he said it. Times change and something that someone said may not hold up after a while.
If it wasn't a pricing issue then, it is now.
ya, here in Brazil any AAA game costs around 25% of a monthly fulltime work wage for ~3/4 of its population, not viable.@@dagnisnierlins188
@@dagnisnierlins188 That is why there are market segments. E.g. to prevent someone travelling from expensive Europe to cheap Asia to buy a DVD.
Waiting for sales sucks but it's a must...
Sailing the high seas is also an option, should you ever require it!
Remember buying games for $50? Nice case, graphic art on the inside, sometimes reversible cover, booklet, poster, stickers if they cared enough. Lets not forget the collectors editions too.
Now its $70 for a download or a disc that requires a day 1 patch or is just a key to download the full game.
I still haven't gotten over when price with up to $60. These $70 prices hurt my cheep eyes.
@@monfr0 Not only that but we are paying our hard earned for an UNFINISHED game with bugs.
In the Famicom days, they had production costs for physical cartridges. This cost was drastically lowered when they switched to disc. Now, most copies sold are digital, which have zero costs to manufacture. Not to mention the popularity of games since those days has also increased massively. They're full of SH17E.
Keep in mind that the development cost has skyrocketed. The only relevant question for a consumer is "is X game worth the set price for me?"
So has the fucking audience @@lucy-pero
Um but conversely renting or buying servers to keep the games available on cloud, maintaining autosaves, and updating the games real time has big back end costs. I am not saying you are wrong, but I think you aren't looking at both pros and cons of digital pricing.
@@IndianTelephone and they are additional costs to the price of the game in the form of Xbox live, psplus, battlepasses or monthly subs.
How many sprites did the average Famicom game have, Zoltar? How many 3d models does the average AAA game in 2023 have?
Wanna know what a $60 1993 SNES cartridge would cost nowadays adjusted to inflation? About $100. I'd say the content amount and quality makes up for the increased sales, manufacturing and distribution overheads in most cases.
I am finding it really difficult to empathize with your tantrums given all the grief game devs went through with last year's mass layoffs. You are not the good guys in this argument.
I don’t even buy games at $70. Hell will freeze over before I pay $100 for the quality of games publishers are putting out these days.
If game prices continue to rise then we need legislation that protects our digital purchases. Make them PURCHASES again, not a stupid license. Also, legislation that makes live service games f2p, period. If you're gonna have micro transactions that cost as much as full on DLC, then you don't need to be charging for the game.
Publishers should honestly expect sales to crater if that's their plan. Not only is the world economy in a bad spot, $60 or above is already a steep price for some countries and $70 was already an issue.
Plus, a lotta games just aren't worth even $60, so they're fooling themselves here
Have you forgotten how dumb some gamers are? The ones who are whales are the people that caused this problem. Indie-games are objectively better as the game isn't 60+ dollars, but " Hey this is 5-20 dollars okay? ", "Adds actual content improvements.
@@MaoRatto Oh, there's definitely people who would willingly pay $2k for a game or a cosmetic, but they are far from the majority. Eliminating the majority who can't justify $100 for one game and only focus on whales would be a dumb move
But thats literally what theyre doing e.g. diablo immortal@@FOF275
@@FOF275but you failed to realize, the mobile game market thrives solely on whales
Unfortunately, people are dumb enough to pay $100 for a single game, especially if the game is from a huge franchise. I could see companies getting away with that bullshit. There would be some backlash, but not enough for them to lower the price. Every company will not get away will this, hell no. If $100 does become the standard, then having a complete game full of content should be our standard at the very least.
Billionaire CEOs saying that their prices are too low and should be increased.
You really cannot make this up.
Their salary numbers are bigger than their IQ numbers
I swear they are smoking a crack pipe
A genuine mental illness
It's tough out here, not being a trillionaire.
@@blannk You have all the money in the world, a mansion, a game company to call your own, limos, jacuzzis, all that shit
A fate worse than death
How are these companies not aware that we're entering another Great Depression. no one has that much money to spend on a game that the developers didn't even care about making.
Entering??? we have been living in one for a while now
HAHAHA entering, we've been in one for 10 years, people can't buy houses, can't pay rent, work 70h a week, get real, lol
Its not improved since the crash around 2008
The only reason why they’re thinking about increasing prices is because people are still buying their games. Sales are still massive despite the $70 price tag, so the argument that people don’t have enough money doesn’t really hold water. Either people DO have enough money or they value games so much they’d rather pay $70 for that instead for something else.
when have the rich ever cared about those that can't afford?
I live in a third world country (Brazil), for some time now I cannot pay for game releases because prices are very prohibitive, I have to wait 1-2 years later to buy with a big discount. And I'm sure others do the same here.
If the price increases even more, we probably stop buying and resort to piracy, once again.
And you know these greedy corpos will STILL have microtransactions, gambling, battle passes and loot boxes even at a $100 pricetag.
And you know these pathetic games will STILL buy the games and the microtransactions even at a $100 pricetag.
@@thedarkemissary yeah, fuking fanboys ruin everything
The game industry is slowly killing itself with all of these problems
not for indies
When we go digital, it will all be cheaper. "They" said.
100,- For all digital no fucking way.
And you don't even get to own it 😂
well if its on steam. it can get on a fire sale in a week after launch
It's not even a full game. It's just dlc. Probably just an hours worth of content.
Sure, let's go back to physical distribution. Can't wait to see your face when you spill Dorito dust and scratch the $150 base copy of your latest FIFA disk (accounting for manufacture and logistics overheads) into uselessness a week after release.
@@zbaschtian I’ve only bought physical.. I still have PlayStation 1 games that are in damn near perfect condition. If you can’t take care of your stuff that’s on you lol.
In Australia we have had to pay more than $100 for some games for quite a while. Some people might say we don’t have real money. The idea of a game costing USD$100 terrifies me at the sorts of prices we will get in Australia
i will literally stop paying for games all together if this happens lmao. these people really do Not understand (or frankly, maybe they just don't care) that the cost of living these days makes it almost impossible for regular, non-upper class people to get by. even 70 dollars is outrageous to me. it's like they WANT people to pirate games or something
@@pamdabeep
It seems like you Entirely missed the point of the comment.
If this happens...
Stick to older games
Pirate as much as you desire
Emulation is your friend
@@pamdabeep FOUND THE CORPORATE GAME DEVELOPER PROPAGANDA ACCOUNT!!!
To be frank though you don't really have to stop gaming all together. You can just go to the greener pastures of the indie sphere and avoid big name titles like the plegue. Afterall AAA don't represent the whole industry only the overpriced and predatory titles on top that can get away with this shit.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 That's because he's a Game Dev spreading misinformation and propaganda
They can charge whatever they want. All they're doing is encouraging people like me to wait and buy it on sale.
Steam has never made it easier to wishlist something and wait for a big sale.
@RAM_845that's true and sad. We'll never OWN games but just mere licences.
Piracy
The SALE price will be higher too for longer. It will still impact you heavily.
That's exactly what they want: all digital. It's a trap 🪤
I'm not even going to bother waiting for it to go on sale.
When the leading positions in companys are greedy and want more money, they always say "Higher wages need to be paid". And then continue to lay of their workers.
Welp, seems like the triple A industry is going to aink miserably.
You are absolutely right, everything has become way too bloated and big. I am going to be honest, I have been looking at the credits of some recent big games and the length is completely ridiculous. Their programming teams are massive, and if you know anything about not even game dev, but software dev, it becomes a nightmare to coordinate and keep everyone in the same page.
There's such a thing as too many cooks in the kitchen, ever wondered how come small reduced teams of 20 people can make way better and more polished games than these mega corporations? It's simple, it's because it's always the same 20 people working on it. They know the game they are making in and out. But in a big triple A studio there's layoffs, restructuring, shifting resources. One day one person can be working on a script, then someone else may have to pick it up where they left off... And then that first person has to come back and understand what the other did. Now imagine that but it's 50 people instead of 2 guys, and you have to make sure your work interacts well with what they did. And your manager just told you that we are introducing yet another mechanic to our immensely dense and over saturated open world game, that requires an overhaul of the whole thing.
Now, there's big studios that don't operate like a clown fiesta, and they somehow manage to coordinate this. But there's a point where the time you spend on coordination overtakes the time actually developing the game, not to mention how mentally taxing and exhausting it must be to go to meeting after meeting. So bigger doesn't mean better, but companies don't understand that. They've been enlarged so much, so overly bloated and heavy, gorging themselves stuffed full of talent and employees that sometimes they just put them in a project to justify having them around. Even if all they end up doing is very detailed loaves of bread. And of course, when they over indulge themselves too much, they can't help but throw out all those people they consumed.
In any case TL;DR current companies suck at management and they 100% could use their resources way better, split into smaller teams and create better more focused games, instead of the massive game triple A SCHLOP
This is the most important lesson I learnt from Valve and Lord Gaben: Never, ever pay full price for any game, no matter how awesome it is. Wait until its inevitable dirtiest, cheapest price comes and then go ahead buy it. Videogame companies nowadays don't deserve our money, at least not all the money they want to milk dry from us.
Pirate games that should be pirate, Ubisoft games should always be pirate no matter what, if it's a indie games shouldnt be pirate sometimes, never buy a sport game, always pirate Activision games or don't play them
Except for Larian. I did pirate BG3 but it was so good, the impressions I got from them was so good I bought it because I wanted to support that kind of work.
@@00r0rysame here, I did pirate bg3 and then bought it.
Now that I got to act 3 I really regret buying the game.
my steam backlog could keep me busy for the foreseeable future.... I just started playing Bioshock Infinite for the first time this last week that I purchased in 2019 for like $10.
Thanks steam summer and winter sales!
Exactly, I've bought probably about 5 games full price in my entire life. Even before the Internet (I'm old) I would wait for sales or go to flea markets to find the guys selling pirated CDs.
Its a shame the industry has gotten so big there can't be another video game crash like 1983. The AAA studios deserve it.
The bigger they are
They do, but people keep buying from them so they don't see anything wrong.
Go indie.
lol what AAA devs? to be one they have to make more AAA titles then not and most games they make now are ABB lol its a grading system not a class of game. they def deserve a crash. its time we teach themm they cant just do as they please we are the customers wihtout us they flounder and since pirating is so simple these days they gonna learn it fast haha
Just because something has gotten bigger doesn’t mean it’s invincible. Research the original crash of ‘83 and you’ll find many of the same reasons for the original line up with current events in the gaming industry. I can’t go into full detail here, but the most notable examples would be excessively high pricing for both low quality games and consoles (of which there were many different consoles),as well the rise in PC gaming over console gaming (it also happened in the early 80s).
Games are 70 dollars now, but we don't even get an instruction manual anymore.
No cool poster no nothing
Not to mention macro transactions that keep them swimming in profits without a need for a price hike.
No cheat codes for money, instead put in your card
Every company kept saying Inflation but they increase price well over %30 while everyone in the USA is getting a bare minimum of %3 increase. How is this justified? Even Wal mart chickens and eggs prices came back down to regular prices after everything settle. If company kept increase prices, Instead of people buying more games and enjoy more new games we gonna sit and wait to buy the game that we really want to play at full price and wait other games prices to drop. Its gonna hurt their bottom line and their quarterly since not everyone can afford pull prices at $100. I haven't bought game at full prices since the $70 price tag. The only game I'm willing to pay full prices are Final fantasy series, naughty dog game, rock stars game. This gonna hurt other small company who think they can compete against these company. Most of these company are already charing $70 price tag for a game full of bugs and issues.
It mostly comes down to Cost vs. Convenience. Frankly, it's disgusting how sports games (of all games) set this stigma of "games need to cost more". While they quite literally drain the wallets of their players with microtransactions.
sports games are practically the same game with just a new year slapped on the cover.. and adding features that were already in previous titles and calling them "new features"
@@PolishHussarian they do update the rosters of the teams though.... [sarcasm]
They cost a lot because of licensing lol. They gotta pay the sports leagues which charge more and more and more.
As an aussie that already has to pay over $100 for new AAA games, ive noticed most people i know (myself included) never buy games new anymore. Especially since usually 6 months later the games will be around half price, and less buggy. The only type of games anyone really buys day one is certain multiplayer games since they might be dead in 6 months.
Usually always take this route if it's single player usually always reduced in less than 6 months lol
Same thing in Canada. If they go up to $100 ISD, then they’ll be charging us like $140; that’s ludicrous!!’
Same. I did find a glitch that makes triple AAA games cheaper in JBHI FI. I got elden ring and red dead for only 69 dollars
@@WillStecho never even thought of that... Honestly with how many shit games that come out being in Canada as well I'll probably never buy a full priced game. I don't now anyways I'll use my VPN and stuff to buy
JB you’ve done it again. 😁
That's funny, Publishers are thinking about charging $100 for games, And there's me thinking about pirating every game out there and paying nothing for games lol 😇
I already come at the $70 price point with care. Back in ps3-ps4 days AAA games were a couple updates to complete after purchase or just pop in and play, now every game comes out and its 3-6 months updates will fix the game or its dry of content. I had to make a conscious well thought out decision buying a game when $70 hit, if games go up to $100 its gonna be “will this game change my life and my grandkids lives generations to come.” On the other hand i still have a backlog of 150+ games and rely on deals to get all my current games.
Man I always hate how often people bring up how game prices hadn't gone up in a long time. They also never mention how much money they make now compared to the 90s or 2000s, back when gaming was a strictly "nerdy" thing and not everyone was a gamer. Games sell like crazy nowadays, mostly due to the internet being such free publicity and putting games front and center for everyone to see
Not to mention that they don't need to ship anything physical when it comes to digital copies.
@@Dresdenstl also games these days are packed full of microtransactions and other predatory monetization. I'd actually be okay with a price increase if it meant zero battle passes, loot boxes, microtransactions, etc. But this is just them trying to have their cake and eat it too
Development cost went down too as someone pointed out before. And how could it not? Game companies fire people often and crunch the rest harder. Then they fill up games with only the cheapest and easiest to make content, like collectables. Not all games of course, but many. And then they leave the games in broken states lately as well, taking no time to fix them. Many AAA nowadays are overpriced overhyped turds.
Cant even release a game with no bugs/glitches and they planning to charge you $100 for games?
this is what happens when gamers don’t fight back and simp for corporations. we need to band together and fight this corporate greed
Yeah I never understood it. I havent bought AAA games since about ten or so years ago. They are always low value, like 10-20 hours of meh gameplay, with a lame story and fancy but buggy graphics. Maybe I have been immune because I never cared about graphics, not even as a kid or a teen. So it really doesnt look like a good proposition me. There have always been plenty of great free games around, and now indie games are great, usually around the 10-25 dollar range, offering at least days of gameplay, that is polished and made by passionate creators. Not to mention they actually take risks and innovate...
seriously. i find gamers to have the least backbone out of anyone and just throw money then shrug it off or pikachu face every time the game is a complete failure....just dont spend your money. why is that so difficult!?
don't buy the game, done.
Tell that to the fanboys who will still buy it, even if it's an inferior version. Fuck Sniper Elite 5 fanboys. Some types of gamers are so starved of games that any new game of that type they'll justify the price. No matter what quality it is.
"Fighting back" and "voting with your wallet" are nonsense mottos fed by corporations to keep consumers happy. There will always be idiots with more money than common sense who will disregard your "vote" or "fight" by spending $50000 on skins and other shit, your vote or resistane is useless as long as idiots with too much money can spend as much as they do.
If Guybrush taught me abything was "Never pay more than 20$ for a game". I live by this wisdom
The only reason this is happening is because we gamers are allowing it.
Gamers are idiotic NPC Consumers
Yeah, it's because most gamers do not know how to grow a spine, and stand their ground against devs who release unfinished, messy and buggy piece of shit they call a game. Also, I blame the internet and streamers who turned gaming into a full time job where they have to buy, and play games on release😔.
Same with broken games built on lies.
But apparently the majority of players are not watching RUclipsvideos like this to get informed about this.
@@gokumore5719😢
@@gokumore5719true
This is why I wait 6 months to buy a new game when the price has dropped by like 50%
I quit gaming for a couple years, recently bought a system and have decades of older games I can play for much less.
And after major bug patches are released…
I can't remember the last time I bought a game from a AAA publisher. The indie scene has been absolutely killing it for years now. My most played games have all been from non-AAA studios. AAA isn't producing anything fun, innovative, or complete for $70. I don't see that changing if they charge more.
Same here, during December's Steam sale I bought a ton of Indie titles and I've been having a blast with them. I'm only planning on getting Tekken 8 and Dragon's Dogma 2 but other than that....I'm just keeping an eye on Indie games.
Same.
What are these good indie games tho? can u list some well known? I'm tired of these AAA openworld bloated games
Recently bought and completed Spacebourne 1, had a great time. Can't wait for 2 to be complete!
Last year Everspace 2, which is phenomenal. And Dungeons of Edera, while "janky", also a lot of fun.
Currently having an amazing time with Bloodstained, which i should have bought MUCH sooner.
@@miletfan4363Momodora (both of them) Monoria, Last Faith, Frontier Hunters, Enshrouded, Palworld, Lies of P to name a few
"It's inflation"
Nah, corporations just want more money to please ceos and shareholders. Almost every games are digital now and sell way more copies than they used to. Let's not forget all the macrotransactions.
I've been noticing that the higher the cost a game is the quicker it goes on sale. I'll never pay $70 for a standard game and I'm sure as heck not at $100. Game companies are crazy.
They are because game sales slow down after the first week so they want to keep it going, and what better way to make games 100$ so after a week or 2 you make its 30% and still rake in the big numbers as people will cave at that point, it's stupid.
Don't worry millions of people will still buy at $100. Unfortunately we cannot fix people
You see them GTA6 tweets? Trust me. Game companies ain't crazy.
Why yes, it'll go on sale extremely fast. $100 the first week, then 20% discount, which is a bigger discount than the price of most indie games! People will jump at the opportunity... to pay more than even the overpriced $70 games.
See that's how they get you. You won't pay $60, but you will pay $30 on sale. They increase the price to $70 and now the price on sale is $35 and you buy it for $5 more because "it's on sale".
Many of these CEOs are still making millions a year. It's not the job of the customer to support employees when these higher-ups are making more money than they know what to do with.
It’s not your job, no one has ever told you that you need to support employees they don’t know
$70 is already too much, no way am I ever paying more. I tend to just wait for sales anymore. Plus a lot of trends newer games are doing has been putting me off gaming as a whole. If I want to play anything I have a huge backlog of titles that will last me quite a while.
That is crazy, I am also already thinking about paying $0 for games!