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For those wondering, you can already have a nearly identical experience by using Apple AirPod pros, and AirPod maxes. They have a pair in the studio and check their mixes that way, and tell me it is an almost identical experience… Which is insane!
Yes! Just make sure that head-tracking is turned off.
I have just started using all the wave stuff for head phone mixing but also using real phones etc rather than my main Focal monitors and only going back to ref at the end on the monitors and the mixs have gone to another level for me. Now Cubase 12 has full Dollby atmos built in this is my next step using biannual mixing.
How much music is actually mixed in that fashion? And when are they doing Dark Side of the Moon, lol?
@@HalcyonGuitars How many bands/musicians play in a circle around their audience too? :)
@@Sleemzz wait, turned off? I thought special audio is at its best with head tracking - is the fixed better?
Please Colt, keep educating us about Atmos! Loved this!
I'm having a hard time reconciling that a couple in-ear buds can approximate the sound of a 9.1.4 speaker room.
They check every mix done in this room on AirPod max, and they tell me it is virtually the same sounding, much harder to get to the same end result on headphones, but the listening experience is virtually identical
@@ColtCapperrune what settings did they use for comparison? (E.g. head tracking, etc)
@@ColtCapperrune I guess the head-tracking software is what's doing the heavy-lifting there?
@@ColtCapperrune The Atmos mixes sound better with four full range speakers (downmixed), than earbuds or headphones.
And if so, couldn't we just mix with those earbuds?
Thank you for asking the reverb question. I'm just starting to do Atmos mixes and that has been one of the most difficult things to wrap my head around.
Great video Colt. In almost all atmos videos, there is one thing missing: presentation of the actual physical connections. In this room there is about 15 speakers and I would like to see the flow within pro tools and the chain from pro tools, different computers, audio interfaces, etc, to the speakers.
I think Apple should do a poll and release the results asking: WHAT KIND of system do you listen to music on? Car? Earbuds? BT speaker? Etc.... Just to pointoutthe ridiculousness of forcing atmos on music.
Love your question/answer method used to help this all make sense!!! ✌🏻
The good news...stereo music isn't going away.
I've lived through mono, stereo, binaural, quadrophonic, surround, and now atmos. All were marketed as the way music would be listened to. The only one that has survived for more than 50 years as the mainstream listening for music is Stereo. I am sure Atmos will be around for a long time for movie theaters but I'm not going to invest in it for music production--been there with surround.
That’s be in my opinion throughout all of this for a long time… However, you can now consume Atmos material via Apple Music on AirPod Pro, and AirPod max. I’m already consuming it on a regular basis. The guys at this studio check every mix they do on a pair of AirPod max, and say the experience is nearly identical. So 5.1 was never an easy thing to consume for the consumer, this now is. So it’s definitely here to stay, we will see if its popularity overtakes stereo, but it’s at least going to live alongside it for many many years to come.
I think that's mainly because stereo has consistently been the most natural way to hear it
The most common misconception about Atmos is what the format actually is. Unlike stereo, quad, 5.1, etc, Atmos is not a speaker format. Atmos is a file format. Unlike 5.1, when you playback an Atmos mix on a stereo pair of speakers the playback system will rebalance the file to playback properly, thats the point of an object based system. The longterm goal of the format is for it to be the sole mix, one that can playback on any speaker setup from mono through massive movie theaters, and the stereo mix will just be the 2.0 fold-down.
Agree 100%
surround is not the same as atmos. surround is different speaker setups. atmos is a file format that can be folded down from huge speaker setups all the way down to binaural. completely different premise that literally everyone can make use of with streaming services.
I’m 48 and for my generation there are some engineers like say Steve Albini that only record to tape using nearly all analog gear and I’m wondering if for younger engineers there will be some holdouts that instead of being analog purists will be stereo purists vs the rise of Atmos mixing. In general I’m pretty skeptical that this will really take off. If it’s still around in 5 or so years then maybe I’ll consider crossing over. So far the mixes I’ve heard sound like annoying novelties as everyone gets enamored with things flying around the room. Still seems like something more for movies than albums but we’ll see.
The younger generations want to be entertained for the short amount of time that their attention span can tolerate, rather than have a life changing experience from a song that will one day become a timeless classic. ATMOS will remain for film but the fad will eventually pass for music as 2 speakers are enough.
I thought this many years ago when atmos was in its infancy.
@@KevinStCroix In the 9 months since I’ve posted that, I still don’t see any good reason to switch. Many of the mixes sound distant and lack punch which is great for some music. In concept I’d love to write music especially for this but none of the headphones do a good job even in my car which supports it and has a bunch of speakers I find myself turning it off for nearly all the music I listen to. For those listeners that can afford to go all out, that will probably sound awesome but I don’t see more than a few audiophiles and wealthy people doing it and as a musicians and recordist it’s not currently worth investing in right now for me. I hope it works but I’m not going to invest in hope. None of musician friends that I would record are interested in it and music is my passion, not my job.
It’s all hype find me one mix that’s better in atmos than stereo
@@joesmith5617 I still haven’t found one. Maybe in some amazing double-digit room they sound amazing but next to nobody will do this. If they can’t make it sound cool in headphones it’ll never take off.
9 month fast forward..A month ago we upgraded our studio from stereo to 7.1.4 and the things I'm hearing right now in the current room sounds surreal!! I think ATMOS thing will stay. 💯
Great video and Atmos is here to stay as you can mix Atmos on headphones now on most daws..
I've mixed in 5.1 for live DVDs and short movies, and it's a blast indeed. I guess it must be even more fun in Atmos. However, they tried to sell us 5.1 surround for music 20 years ago with DVD A and SACD...and it didn't fly. I acknowledge music has changed, technology has changed and the way people consume music has changed. But who's putting a 9.4.1 system in their house just to listen to music from a center sweet spot? Or worse, from a soundbar or earbuds? That's not the way it's supposed to sound like, and I think it's a gimmick to the end user. It makes perfect sense for the movie theater experience, but Atmos in your car? C'mon...plus, to a certain degree I see it as a potential distraction from the emotion and delivery of the music to have things flying around your head, or coming from the back,, from the top or whatever. Unless you are trying to reproduce a live event, which could be a concert, like in classical music, which could be a good representation, it's of no use to me. And again, binaural is not how that is supposed to sound like. I think it will stay because huge corporations like Apple are putting loads of money into that, somehow pushing people to buy more crap, because "it's the new hot thing", not because it necessarily is a better way of listening to music.
Thank you. I've already been insulted by others in the comments for thinking along these lines. Great take. Spot on.
It is of course a subjective matter of taste. I’ve found that Atmos mixes can add a whole additional emotional layer to the music instead of subtracting from the experience. As to the note on no consumer having an x.y.z speaker setup, that’s becoming a classic fallacy on the subject. Atmos is an audio format that is able to give the listener an immersive experience, the level of immersion will be dependent on the playback system. So yes, listening binaurally on headphones, from a soundbar or in a cinema will yield different levels of immersion and different experiences. But you will also get a different experience listening to a stereo mix from a bluetooth speaker, a club PA system or a 100K$ hi-fi speaker setup. Thinking of Atmos as a delivery format that simply allows for more creative possibilities and better scalability to different setups leads away from the less important “gimmicky” aspects that you’ve mentioned.
I've only experienced Atmos once at a display at my local Best Buy. It was interesting. They showed a very short movie of a jet flying over and of course the sound moved over our heads. As for music, well to me I can see it at a rave or EDM party but as far as anything else, I don;t get it. Sure, for movies I understand but I think it's a bit of a gimmick.I can't imagine listening to classical music and having the violins over my head. It'd be the same thing with rock music. Maybe I'm wrong but until I've actually heard it in a good room, I'm skeptical. I do have a pretty good stereo in my living room and 2 pairs of fairly decent speakers in my little recording studio so I think I do have a bit of an understanding.
@@beckisagod Everyone I know ditched their "stereo" systems a decade ago and now listens to music from Spotify on a JBL Extreme, or JBL Flip 5, Charge 5 and is able to take it with them to the beach, park, hotel, ballgame... 😉
Really great to see you covering Atmos! I love watching people experience the format as intended with great speakers for the first time. I wrote my thesis paper for school on why Atmos will be the future of recorded music, and I was able to interview a few people who are mixing in the format at the highest level. Theres more benefits to the format than just immersive, the fact that its a mandatory -18 lufs integrated means that there can now be a standardized loudness spec opposed to the various ones set by current streaming services. Atmos is here to stay because theres no downside to the end consumer and way more benefits to artists, producers, and mixers. The only real issue at present is the high barrier to entry to build a room right.
my only concern is this... with the high entry price and with budgets shrinking for all but the biggest of commercial artists, at what point does the artist or the one footing the bill for the actual atmos mix get priced out of the process? If I have a $10k setup in my mix studio (which mine is less than that and I can bang out pro level mixes that people love) and I charge $500 per mix, there is no way that I can still charge $500 per mix when my overhead increases 50x. The point being, who will be able to afford $3-5k per song mixes? People literally scoff when you start getting over $600 unless you are a named top tier mixer and even they are not getting $3-5k per mix. it is just not realistic anytime in the near future even if it is here to stay and it won't be until the cost of entry goes WAY down. Would love to here yours and Colts thoughts on this.
@@chadmcilvenna4711 I think the workflow will end up being something like this. Most mixers will build out Atmos systems that are far less expensive than the room Sweetwater built. Between the new focals and adams both being Atmos ready in terms of mounting, there will be more and more lower cost options that will help bring down the barrier to entry. In my opinion, the reference class rooms will be built out primarily for mastering, and it will be the mastering engineer's responsibility that the Atmos mix meets all the specs, much like how it is currently for stereo. Eventually the goal is for the Atmos mix to be the only mix, with stereo mix being a fold-down of the Atmos ADM Master. It's still really early for Atmos in music, and just like when stereo was brought to market in the 50s/60s it will take a few years for it to become the mainstream.
Love the vid!! How cool is atmos!!!!
Quick little correction. I noticed around 4min in when talking about the bed with reverbs, the guy said the rear heights wouldn't have reverb. This is actually incorrect, the .2 (of 7.1.2) that is the bed height is seperated as stereo heights left and right, not front and back. So you could pan stuff in the bed as all height left or all height right without being able to seperate front to back unless you use objects to get them all discretely :)
There is so much to learn in Atmos but I'm stoked more people are getting into this!!!
I mixed a song of mine in Dolby Atmos already , it’s hella fun , because as the guy said it’s a pretty creative process , it’s funny because a single file can have the size of 25 GB , I guess the only issue I have found is that the distribution per song of this files is really expensive for a non popular artist.
Yes it may be more costly to do it now but you must also remember you get more money per stream from apple for music in Atmos :-) Not 100% sure but i believe spotify is the same more money per stream.
@@QFXmusic so, like per-channel :P lol
@@danymalsound Not sure of how they do it but i will look into it and find out what the difference is in pay per play stereo vs Dolby Atmos
Re-watching this video as I have friends asking about Atmos, so I shared the link with them, and by the looks of your "empty" main room and you actively using your "B" room, I'm guessing the transition to making your main room fully Atmos... looking forward to those videos !!!
Totally agree, Atmos is here to stay because it's compatible with all systems.and even headphones....
In April 2022 I got to Listen and get a demo of the power of Dolby Atmos in this room was amazing for a foot print of my new Dolby Atmos studio
Listening to Atmos mixes in Blackbird Studio C was one of the most mind blowing experiences I’ve had. Amazing technology
What will it be captured/mixed to? A dvd? I was recording in 5.1 but couldn't save my mix to hear it in my car with the ELS system. Reproducing this fun stuff outside a theater is the problem.
That's a lot of Phantoms
Yes Colt - I would absolutely LOVE to see more content on ATMOS. Love your work!
that bass in the intro sounds so good, holy shit
I guess no one has ever heard of
Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd...
Super exciting...thinking spirals of different frequencies traveling in different directions around the room. It seems like you could also spiral in directions other than just equitorially, if that makes sense - so instead of flowing around you side to side, sound also flows around you top to bottom/front to back. I guess I won't know until I can afford a 9.4.1 system for my studio. Soon come.
Started playing with the last update in logic and yes Atmos/Spatial is a blast. I mixed foot steps and bird noises for and hour just making them move around me. Sick.
Very interesting! I just decided to upgrade my stereo mixing room to 5.1 So any info on the field will be much appreciated. I watched a bunch of your videos. They’re great!
I've spent years trying to get a solid mix just using two channels. If atmos is here to stay, say goodbye to potential home studio artists. We're never gonna get that sound lol
IK Multimedia has a relatively affordable bundle of speakers for Atmos. You can also do Atmos mixes on headphones. Not the exact same experience, but it is an option to at least get work done.
@@delmixedit Is mandatory to rent a proper Atmos studio to do the final cut + delivery
@@ErickT_MX for music there is not mandatory delivery such as you described. As long as you just follow the loudness spec, you're good to go to upload your tracks straight from your home studio if you wish..
I am blown away with the 128 channels! Talk about a rig right there, would love to just hear one of my pieces converted to ATMOS. Heck I would love just to even mix and play on a $200,000 rig!
When I heard Kx5 new album n tidal... I was blown away by the armos listening experience.. I haven't opened Spotify since lol
thanks for this video, I work with immersive audio , and would reccommend getting atmos as just 1 (very good) way on how to explore 3D sound, which is actually more real than the 2 channels has it all domain. This goes well beyond music, and as I see it, it requires a different kind of compositional approach.
No matter where the sound comes from, It's still going in two ears. Very expensive hype.
Sound is coming from all around you at all times and Atmos allows you to experience this effect..
Only one brain too! Stay narrow minded my friend, life is easier that way.
@@beckisagod amazing… the average listener can barely afford apple headphones
@@evanars1 il stay open minded you can stay narrow minded my flend…
@@kingech_B15 you don't need Apple headphones to listen to Atmos, any regular pair of headphones will work.
Please put up more videos regarding Atmos. Preferably a post production mix on a film if you're able to. That would be super cool! 😎
I was always curious about Atmos mix...!! Now i have a tiny little idea😅
9:21 "one sub" interesting how he set this up, What I know about Atmos comes from building home theaters, in those practices you'd put a sub in each corner of the room to Corner load them, or you place subs in nulls of the room to "cancel" them out. Do mixers use room correction in a mixing environment like this?
Great video man! I like almost everything you put out, however, there is one thing in this video that isn't correct. It has to deal with phantom center on a vertical plane. Unfortunately, there is no phantom center going up and down and that's due to the fact that we do not have an ear growing at the top of our head and another under our chin. On a horizontal plane, we have an ear on either side of our head which makes the phantom center happen. If you were to tilt your head 90 degress, you would then hear a phantom center on a vertical plane. Other than that tidbit, this is a great video, keep it up!
You don't have to have an ear growing at the top of your head. Phantom imaging still works at elevation with height channels due to pinna effects. There's just localization blur that makes it less accurate than phantom imaging on the horizontal plane. It's less accurate, but not non-existent. See Elevation Perception: Phantom Images In The Vertical Hemi-sphere, Barbour. (And yes, it is a total coincidence that I just saw your comment on this video.)
Man this is supper incredible. U've made my day.
Thanks a lot.
Running a modest 5.1.2 system. Love listening to Atmos music mixes. And I'm a 68 year old fart... No Luddite here!!!! And no two channel snob. 👍👍😄😄
This is awesome I own a 5.2.2 dolby atmos setup with Apple TV so I. An stream music in dolby atmos. Which eventually I plan to go up to a 5.2.4 dolby atmos system which I will need a 9 channel amplifier.
The purpose of new formats has always been to have you shell out your dough. How many format changes have we had since the 1970’s? And yet, sound-wise, the seventies are still regarded as the golden age of audio - simple stereo that sounds “thick, warm and punchy” (for the lack of more original adjectives). Save your money, inflation is here to stay.
The romance you have with the past is so cute!
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Totally off topic: For home listening. Could you take 2, 5.1.2 soundbars and put one in the front and one in the rear to get a 10.2.4 ?
The really big benefit of Dolby Atmos is the render, the ability to mix your best sounding mix and have it translate to the end user! The downfall of all of the surround formats of the past was competing incompatible formats! Hears looking at you Apple! I have enjoyed all of the different format, over the years, and I'm adding height speakers, so I can start enjoying Atmos!
It's easy to think that it's manufacturers that push for a "new thing" to sell "new products"... maybe it's true, however, I still do believe it's something to stay. Once I saw that Apple was converting their whole Apple Music catalog to Dolby Atmos, but also when I saw they did include a way to support this format in the update of Logic and then we can see it's also integrated in Protools, in Cubase Pro, and more and more DAW that announce that they're now supporting Dolby Atmos, I tend to think it's gonna be THE format for the feature... even better since binaural could be used with Dolby Atmos to fake immersion when listening with just stereo speakers/headphones. Surround such 5.1 or 7.1 have been existing for decades now and a lot of DAW developers never bother to include surround mixing features on their DAW... beside Nuendo, Protools HD and few others. And yet, now we see like everyone is supporting Dolby Atmos... And somehow, it's the first time I think; damn, I would love to have a Dolby Atmos system at home to try to mix in immersion... that must be fun, but challenging, but somehow it could help to place the listener in the middle of a band on stage, even better with the AR tracking so the mix move when you turn your head. So yeah, I think it's great...
Gear is great. Sweetwater all the way. Love it
Jacob Collier would completely blow minds with an Atmos mix.
It’s all hype stereo will always rule
Shazam…….as a fellow kid from Peoria don’t know bout you but now my brain hurts.
Damn it, now that I've been watching more and more videos on the topic I really want an Atmos setup.
Besides all the technical stuff I love how it's all fresh and there aren't any real rules yet (besides the technical specs of course).
It's just a pity that having an Atmos setup in a home studio is absolutely not a viable option.
Even if you were to use budget speakers and Logic's built-in workflow, you would still need a monitor controller and calibration system that's capable of 7.1.4 (i.e. JBL Intonato & remote). Yet alone a room that's big enough...
And if you ever wanted to listen to any music, you'd need more expensive hardware just to be able to hook up an Apple TV via HDMI as that seems to be the only option right now.
Check out this video from Present Day Production. It may be slightly more attainable than you think! :-) ruclips.net/video/xEebyVtEhnw/видео.html
Kali speakers and an RME interface is the way to go on a budget. RME has the ARC USB that acts as a digital monitor controller. Also, for calibration, I'm using Nuendo which has the Control Room section where I can calibrate speaker arrays without the need for something like an Intonato.
@@analogexplosions Well, I can't say enough good things about RME.
But I wasn't aware that Nuendo has all the needed features to time-align and calibrate so many speakers.
But how can you listen to any commercial music this way?
@@error8418 you could use RME’s loopback functionality to route system audio back through an input channel and monitor through Nuendo.
@@analogexplosions Does that work on Mac OS? I've only used it in Windows so far and there aren't any streaming services with Atmos for Windows that I'm aware of.
More information!
Hey colt I'm guessing you're not going to see this is an old video, but could you do a top five or top 10 or just tier list of what starter amps you would suggest considering you probably know way more than us / me
Damn......I just spent my last $300K on diesel for the truck, some frozen grass finished beef, and a few dozen loaves of gluten free bread, else I could consider an Atmos system like this.......Maybe after the crash.........
I love @sweetwater too. The guys Dennis and Justin are super cool.
And as always thanks @colt for your videos.
Who will install 9+ speakers in their homes? I don`t mean no one could. I just mean hard facts-numbers. 1% of music listeners? Cause this is what will define if this tech survives.
I remember experiencing my first Surround Cinema movie when i was really impressed. About 30+ years later almost none of the people i know has a Surround system at home.
I think atmos will be one of the most expensive experiments in music history but i doubt it will stay. You go to the movies to enjoy a big screen and the atmosphere but no one will
go to an "Atmos Boutique Bar" just to listen to a few songs
it works on headphones thats the point of atmos over normal surround file formats
@@joederbyshire_ in this case it would be interested to see some stats on how much % of music listening is through headphones. I listen to a great lot of music and maybe 10-20 % of the time is on headphones. I would not need music that i cant listen to on all my listening chains equally. But thats just my opinion.
@@saardean4481 ur missing the point of atmos. no matter what sound system and speaker setup u are using an atmos file will play back spatially on any system with software that supports it
@@joederbyshire_ i know. i miss even more points than that. It`s the age i guess or something.
To your text,
exactly. "any system with software that supports it". so in "system" equals 9.4, 7.4 or whatever surround amount-constellation as far i know and it will not work on 2.0 or 2.1 by definition. So if this is not the case and you have " just 2.0 or 2.1 " then your system is either not compatible with Atmos or you use some kind of emulation in which case i have never heard an emulation based 2.0 system, 2.1 system , soundbar system etc etc that sounds convincing yet. .
I don`t know software that well but i follow speaker and sound production evolution for about 30+ years and feel comfortable saying that i reliably know what 2 speakers can do and one of the things they ca not do is convincing surround coverage by using 2 speakers. So what i see now is something that will not work on a typical stereo system.
Atmos will not work to a satisfiying level on a normal stereo system, no matter what software you use and 99% of listeners have-use 2 speakers and i don`t see them moving to 7-9-10 etc speaker setups any time soon. This is all i say. As i say. Its just my opinion and just an estimate and not the only truth. Its all good
sorry if i repeat some sentences as i drank 1 beer more than i was allowed to
@@saardean4481 yet again completely missing the point. they PLAYBACK on any speaker setup u get surround out of any surround speaker setup or a binaural system (headphones), stereo plays back in stereo
As someone who mixes Atmos for the last 3 years, AirPods are good but are crude approximations of a discreet speaker rig. Don’t get me wrong, Atmos in AirPods is still better than stereo.
I have AirPod Max’s, Pro’s, Beats, and Sony. We monitor in Spatial Audio as well.
Atmos will replace stereo just as stereo replaced mono.
According to Dolby, there are over 1 billion Atmos enabled devices out there now.
I would like more info on how to connect two PC's together using Presonus Studio One 6.5 Dolby Atmos 7.1.4 setup. And is there a way to use ASIO4ALL to link UAD Apollo Twin USB's 4 outputs and Behringer xr18's 8 outputs???
Dig in...
Any thoughts on adoption of Atmos on a wide scale? I mean 3D video seems like it went through the exact same hype and production interest and cost, but failed in the real world.
You can already consume Atmos mixes via Apple Music with Apple AirPod Pro, and AirPod max. The guys at this studio check every mix on them and tell me it is a nearly identical experience
@@ColtCapperrune right. But are the masses seeking it out or is it a novelty? Just curious… to me, while it’s cool, it’s not for normal “band” music. Unnatural with gimmicks. I’ve never seen a band perform live with some sounds panning around me. Just seems like a gimmick if not done subtly. And my question, is it worth the investment (ROI) to produce this kind of content.
@@AndrewCCM the adoption is coming , this is going to be huge for movies , music , video games and virtual reality, VR headsets are going to be mainstream in a few years , so I think every sound engineer should be prepared for the future of the sound , just imagine the way you can mix sound effects with video games and music in different spaces , the experience for the users is going to be incredible, of course all of this is going to be a lot more important for the next generations of young people
@@AndrewCCM According to Apple in February of this year, over 40% of US Apple Music users were using spatial audio.
@@davidstagl does that mean they want it or is it just because it’s available? For me, it’s more of a movie thing where it’s natural to have sounds coming from around you. Music not so much. But…it’s just my opinion.
I will be checking out an ATC Atmos system at VK in LA very soon! Can’t wait!
Where does one sit in the sweet spot in a normal, non pro room? Is there more than one sweet spot? Or does the
Atmos work the entire room?
Great video Colt!
So with all outboard gear like for mix buss and say mastering, will these become obsolete with atoms? All my outboard gear is two channels
That's what I'm asking myself as well. No even just for using outboard gear, but the whole concept of bus processing will become obsolete. That doesn't sound right seeing bus processing is such a huge part of mixing and making a records sound cohesive.
Atmos seems more suited for movies, gaming, and VR, where spacial cues or more important. Imo, music is a different ballgame compared to those. Atmos for music will probably wow at first because it's such a new experience, but I'm not sure how it will hold up once the novelty is gone and people really start to compare the quality of the mixes.
People born into Atmos, if it's here to stay, will look back at our era the same way we look back on the 70's, 60's, etc.
Any chance there will be budget studio rigs coming soon? Like how much does a home Atmos for listening cost? Or does the ultra surround mix somehow translate back into stereo when listening with headphones for example? Thanks Kev
Logic with Atmos is all for me now on my M1 Mac. I own all. Can't afford Avid monthly.
Superb, 👍I have 7.1.4, highly recommended
So cool. Also nice hair bro
Seems awesome but who is the consumer for a Harry Styles album mixed in 9.4.1?
Check out Kraftwerk 3D and Yello Point, both Atmos mixes are superb!
Can I master any Beatles song in Dolby Atmos ? or do special requirements apply to the stereo master to be mastered ?
Do a 10 hour loop of “speaker…speaker…phantom center here”
Until there's a solution for true atmos solutions (no bouncing sound off ceilings) for the home and apt I can't see it being a music thing. In fact most theaters where I 've have piss poor atmos setups.
Very Cool! Gnarly and kinda unfathomable .... Cool nonetheless
Dolby Atmos is great but when it comes down to listening the average person uses headphones or car speakers so what is the pros of mixing a record in it if the audience won’t get the same experience???
They will as Dollby atoms is best in head phones
Apparently the experience is identical via Apple spatial audio with AirPods Pro, or AirPods Max. So if you have one of those two headphone systems, you can already consume audio in exactly the same way.
@@ColtCapperrune Can confirm Atmos mixes sound equally amazing in AirPods pro...well, at least until my set went through the washing machine.
IDK why Apple pushed atmos on people. Most music is listened to on earbuds or a bluetooth speaker. The world is still stereo. We've had 5.1 music and it was never something a single person I've ever met has mentioned or said they wanted. I'D BE PISSED if standard producers ditched stereo.
That's crazy!
how about incorporating the GPU?
stupid comment with just the atmos stystem costing $150k
Incorporation of GPU into audio should be the next great advancement IMHO.
@@AndrewCCM saw a few weeks ago that there is a company, cant remember which, but they specifically use the gpu to run their program freeing up the cpu for everything else
gpu audio
@@joshuareynolds302 Oh for sure. There's already tons. All the big Adobe products do it such as After Effects or Photoshop. They utilize the memory on the video card and the GPU for extra processing power. That's nothing new at all. That was the whole backbone to mining crypto (which wrecked the video card market for 2 years). But yeah, it's high time for ALL the big major DAWs to start tapping into that extra GPU power. Pro Tools should have been doing that 10 years ago.
Are you going to be going atmos any time soon Colt? I hope your house is well built if you want to hang those Focals.
Definitely will be Keen to learn more about Atmos
if is neceserry to have these setup to here the mix?
I’m just going to say it and risk the possible back lash against my luddite view.
Other than for theatrical uses and gaming. I do not see atmos in the domestic environment for general consumption of music. We’ve seen a gradual slowing of interest in the latest incarnation of such technology. Noone it seems wants to watch the news in 3D, 4K has not blown up. Surround sound systems are wearisome on a practical level and owners will simply not bother to turn them on.
I think we are at a point of technological fatigue or perhaps it does not feel like a frontier with any long term benefit, only more other than opportunities for bug fixes, upgrades and downloads.
The appetite is for authenticity and utilitarianism and with two ears we are equipped to appreciate the most authentic stereo field. The rest, impressive as it is, is a firework show.
As I say, great for theatres, theme parks and immersive gameplay but not day to day.
u mention speakers but u dont need a speaker setup to experience it. its definitely a more fun way to experience music, u should try it
@@joederbyshire_ I’m sure its fun, rollercoasters are fun too, but I believe people will ultimately opt for much less sensory demanding experiences day to day.
It will be interesting to see how it is recieved in a practical sense, what I suspect is that most needs we have are already met with the technology available, Atmos will have a place, I just don’t see it in most homes.
Agree with you 100%, Atmos is cool but the average listener is not going to care.
@@brianmclendon1647 they already do care. 50% of apple musics subscribers listen in spatial audio already and it is constantly growing
And as has been noted elsewhere, its just an attempt to sell you Dark Side of the Moon…again.
Thought I was about to hear something new. Not just talking.
Amazing technology for movies but as far as music as a working mix engineer I haven’t seen the demand for it. Can’t imagine record labels are rushing to get all there catalogue remixed in atmos. Think it’s always great to go forward but there’s still existing 5.1 systems that didn’t get a big demand.
Actually that is exactly what is happening… All these engineers are paying for their Atmos rigs because they are getting hired to mix their entire back catalog in Atmos. Also the big difference here is that there was no easy way to consume 5.1 without six speakers, but you can already listen to Atmos on AirPods Pro and AirPods Max. So the consumer devices are already in place and being used
@@ColtCapperrune that’s great and happy for them. It’s one of those things if there is a demand happy to invest but I’ve only had a couple request for atmos mixes the majority still doing stereo. So it’s going to have to scale to fit.
Time will tell but even though I’ve become familiar with it I don’t see it being a standard for the consumer. Once they make it standard in a Honda then we’re talking.
@@ColtCapperrune you dont even need airpods for it to work, u can get spatial sound (albeit without head tracking) using a normal stereo headphone output. even works thru apple music on my samsung :D
Listen to Apple Music... There's a ton of Atmos mixes on there. 👍
@@nickcgligor5260 for sure. I was referring to scaling a business. The majority of mix work being done in stereo. Although I say the best approach I’ve seen is Cla. Make the stereo mix then from there create the stereo stems to mix in atmos.
Interesting, PRO studios are so happy to promote and push Atmos so they can get back some advantage over home studios. Comprehensive but not convincing. Nothing beats mono and stereo for music. You don’t want to be distracted by things moving all around.
That’s an opinion, this is evidently the next step in music. I’m sure people said the same when stereo came from mono.
Atmos makes stereo feel outdated. When it's done right, it is reality changing. Even high order ambisonic recordings make stereo seem old.
Yes, please more information on Atmos. Thanks!
Crazy cool Colt!
Too many channels, I need to lay down 😂
Seems odd that they wouldn't do 9.4.4. Directional bass is an absolute game changer. It's the foundation for all of the low level room information.
Bass isn't directional
@@morbidmanmusic what's it like to be that stupid? Every fucking thing is directional. If I turn my speakers off of in my 2.2 setup, do you think I can't tell where explosions are coming from? Having a 2.2 system over a 2.1 is leaps better for directional sound, it's not even debatable.
So what are the “128 objects”, and how do they relate to 14 outputs? Why isn’t it just a rig with 14 outputs? What is all of that information being passed around?
Think of the Atmos mix as a mix in a virtual space, not related to any speaker count. You can assign any track to one of those 128 Objects and move them around to whatever position you like in that virtual space. When you print that mix, all the sound files will have this Object metadata with the panning information added to them. Any device that the mix will be played back on will translate the panning information into whatever speaker count it is using, be it a 5.1.2, 9.1.6, stereo headphones, a soundbar or a multitude of other options, so that the listener can experience the mixing engineers intentions as best as they can on their available setup. So the 14 outputs here just correspond to their monitoring setup, but that is just it - a setup to monitor the mix. You could just as well monitor that same mix on other channel count monitoring systems(including headphones).
When money is no object. HaHa. You have to look at return of investment. You can do it for much less. I am a Sweetwater long time patron. Planned my room and did it for around $24k maybe less and am working with clients now.
Movies in atmos I get for the surround sound experience. I don’t see the need for it with music.
sicckkk, im so jealous i also want to experience this kind of stuffsss
Please make more videos about Atmos! It's fascinating.
Atmos is great for hardware vendors, Dolby and anyone else who stands to gain from the hardware purchases.
How can Atmos be “here to stay” when the majority of listeners can’t or won’t spend the money for the ridiculous hardware requirements necessary to fall short of the promises.
The pro mixers seem to be strong armed or afraid of missing out on potential business.
Amazing stuff!
Thanks for watching!
Nice video, Atmos is interesting.
Yes! More Atmos please! Dig in! :-D
Question. What is the basic ATMOS setup, is it 7.1.2? Or does ATMOS morph into what ever you send it to, i.e. 5.1, 2.1, or even just 2?
Dolby recommends a 7.1.4 setup to monitor professionally when mixing in Atmos. But that is just for monitoring - you are correct in assuming that for (consumer) playback, it’ll fold up/down to pretty much whatever speaker count.
@@beckisagod thank you for the reply. That helps!!
I would absolutely love more Atmos content!
I would put this room in my house but id have to sell my house to do it
Yes everyone- Atmos is too expensive to get into. Send me your mixes instead and I’ll make them Atmos mixes for you. 🙃
Very cool, but so unnecessary for good music. I’ll stick to stereo mixing.
Geez, how much would it cost just for all the monitors? A lot of $$$.