The Crazy World of Tiktok DIY Drama- Taybeepboop
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2023
- On Tuesday, interior decorator creator taybeepboop, called out kaarin joy for copying her projects and brand and received a lot of backlash.
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"Green and blue are not a normal color combo" is like saying pink and purple are an odd combo
my sister and i have blue and green rooms respectively, it was a deliberate choice on our part so our rooms could be sisters like us. it really isn’t that uncommon
I had a green and blue room for 15 YEARS. where in the world did tay get the idea that those colors were unique???
It's literal color theory? 🤣 Blue and green are analogous colors. Meaning, they belong to a same color family or being next to each other in a color wheel, that is literally listed on color that combine in different ways, like for example, purple and yellow and what we call complentary colors, because they are in the opposite side of the color wheel from each other LOL
Well, i think she meant more like the shades of green and blue- they are oddly similar to the ones she used.
My nails are litteraly green and blue 💀💀
I think it’s absolutely wild that she sells her wallpaper and then gets mad when people buy and use it???
yeah lol. she said it's whatever but it kinda came off as her just wanting another thing to add to the list imo.
also the couch thing? i don't know much about interior design but those couches don't look very similar to me. they're both orange?? but they're shaped differently. also i kiiiiinda doubt she made the couch lol, so what was the point of bringing it up??
It’s not her wallpaper lol😂. The company that makes it have stopped her selling it 😅
@@ville__ no one cares
It’s the fact that she DARED to have a piece of furniture in a complimentary color to it. How dare she look at the wallpaper she purchased and go “hey an orange couch would go nicely with this look, and I clearly am inspired by this great creator and love hers”
Just such a copycat 🙄😂
I don't care who deserves credit, that wallpaper is fuck-ugly
Tay and Kaarin missed a solid opportunity to use the "not the same person" song in a collab.
YOURE SO RIGHT
Omg that would have been so cute 😭😭😭 RIP that opportunity
Omg Ik I watch your channel
True
That’s what women do. Women get so damn jealous so easily because they think they’re so special
the thing that’s so funny to me is that their aesthetic is so pinterest basic and all of their projects are capitalizing in trends that have been popular since like, the covid DIY boom
THANK YOU.
Some of them have been around since tumblr being the big deal 😭
yeah. nobody owns the concept of a squiggle…
@@himenyx153probably longer in all honesty
Even before that, like, it's screaming 90's and 70's. It's just, not worth getting in a fight for.
Blue and green are right beside each other on the color wheel. Taking 2 colors next to each other is literally one of the most common ways to get color combos…
Facts
Never tell "taybeepbop" about analogous color harmonies lol
She clearly isn't an interior designer. I am, I studied it. We have color theory, we have history of it. These colors are used together since the beginning of times.
I have no formal training and I still grasp analogous colors..
ETA: green and blue are also VERY common in bedrooms. Most people versed in color psychology would choose one or both colors in their bedroom color palette (mine is sage green and purple, has been my go to combination since I was a teenager).
She would have hated me from 12 years ago ☠️ bedroom was entirely blue/green
at least tay was honest about one thing: she actually didn’t learn anything in that communications degree
Anyone who says they learned nothing in college is a walking red flag to me 👀
@@sadiesaurus54That was my feeling exactly when I heard that line.
I wonder which one of us copied the other 😂
@@KingLizardCountrylmao
wasnt it marketing or did i mishear
@@divineruins I heard marketing degree too. IDK where the communications degree came from.
"I painted my room green and blue, they're very abnormal colour choices" GIRLLLLL.... You're right you're SO terminally unique, no one has ever heard of green and blue before
every ten year old boy deserves credit from tay beepboop for this color combo lmfao
@@jessicawoldlmao literally😭i’m gonna go expose my little brother for copying her
So unique a colour in fact, I am shocked any paint company has even created such new shades of standard colour wheel. LMAO
My childhood bedroom was blue and green.
When I was a kid I wanted purple and green, get on my level interior design girl
The one little detail that makes me extra sad is she bought the wallpaper from a designer she admires. She’s now got this wallpaper she probably spent quite a bit of money on to put on her walls and the designer has just dragged her down personally. I know she’s in the right, I know some people have a great mentality about things like this and can look past but I know if it was me I’d just feel so shitty looking at my walls now with that kind of negative association😭
Dude I agree completely! I'd have to do some serious mental work separating the art from the artist, because there's no way I'd be able to tear it down and waste all that money 😭
Well, if it makes it better, the wallpaper was a gift from the company. She didn’t spend money on it.
No worries!!!! She made a video where she repainted the wall in the same colors (bc she liked the cozy feel)
She’s really mature, she didn’t bash Tay or say anything about redoing it but her fans recognize the wall and everyone is commenting stuff like “yassss good for you!!!!!”
The worst part is, a brand they both worked with GIFTED her the wallpaper bc they wanted them to connect bc they’re so similar 😭😭😭😭
I have a cool geometrical tattoo that my ex also has (just a different placement) and at first it stinged a little but now I still love it and I look past that. Everyone who looks at that tattoo would never know unless I acknowledge it and tell them, same thing with the wallpaper. If she likes the design I’m sure she’s able to look past it soon enough.
Have you seen Tay’s apology? There’s a brand called Otto Sudio. They make and sell wall decals that are squiggles in a variety of colors. They also make and sell Tays cake wallpaper. Well they posted saying they don’t condone her behavior towards Karin and are stopping sale of her wallpaper effect immediately and anyone with a current unfied order will be contacted about refunds. And then suddenly Tay apologizes.
I saw that! She posted the apology a day after I made this video. I did make a tiktok covering all the updates though
It’s scary to be a crafty artist because it seems like someone is always screaming that some idea or another was theirs.
Lol I'm glad attacking someone who looked up to her and was influenced by her had consequences.
Oh wow Kaarin's response is absolutely perfect. Doesn't directly disparage Tay, gives her praise, notes her own disappointment, takes responsibility even though she doesn't habe to... Oh poor Kaarin ☹️.
she had nothing to apologize for but she did anyway :( shes too sweet 😭
For real! Went and subscribed to her RUclips channel because she seems so genuine and great.
She didn't dispute the claims because since she'd been blocked she hadn't seen the video at the time, just the hate comments. There's also nothing to apologize for because there are receipts showing she hasn't copied anything tay claimed she did first
right?? why is this girl posting diys other than to INSPIRE others...do it YOURSELF. 🤦♀️ oh im sorry, just watch ME do it.
@@Jordan-db2ogWe know that, that’s why they said she didn’t have to.
I think this is a "Trending Artist Disease", where they start to believe that since they're now famous, no one is allowed to do what they do, look like they do, and/or be inspired like they do. They'll attack the people who they think are a threat, then act like a victim while doing so. That's not an artist behaviour. It's self-entitlement.
Yea, it comes off as desperately seeking validation.
It’s a great way to introduce unnecessary negativity into your life that will only stress you out - things not even worth wasting time on (to only turn and complain about said stress, of course, and wonder why its happening). I’m not one to be all “good vibes 😎 gotta be in tune with the spiritual waves of the cosmos so peace and love only” … but when it comes to creative spaces like this, just let it go lol. It’s not worth it.
If I had half the creativity of some of these people, I’d be blushing with joy towards anyone that created something similar. I’d promote the hell out of it and encourage more to go wild. It’s inspiration for everyone.
This.
Similar thing happened to me with a popular artist who was mad I was influence by the same thing as them and came up with similar design from a very niche genre. They blocked me and turned other of their artist friend, who does the similar art as them, against me. It is plain old hypocrisy and insecurity from their part.
And it's always artists who take inspiration from others who start acting like that. Like girl you copied from another artist and now you want to act like you're the OG creator and can't be touched?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I genuinely have never thought any of Tays designs are actually hers. They're inspired from projects that already existed for years or a part of trends ❤ I do enjoy Tays story but I've always thought it bizarre how famous she became when the projects are not new. The monster heads (boyfriend) are amazing though x
Sorry I wrote this before getting through the video so now know my opinion is a shared one ❤
Yep, that woman loves her Pinterest board…
Her story? She cosplayed poverty. Pretty fucked up.
That was very lovely. Have a nice day (:
My exact thought when I saw this fist. Her entire thing is trends like ofc some things might be similar
The "grew up in poverty" story is a fun one.
I went to high school with someone who became a bit of a celebrity. Years ago she gave an interview saying that she was unpopular in high school and used to hide in the bathroom to eat her lunch. 🤨 She was easily one of the most popular girls in school, she was in the bathroom at lunch time because that's where the dancers and cheerleaders would hang out to touch up their hair and make-up. The kids who were actually unpopular couldn't get into the bathroom at lunch time.
Just because you aren't as rich or popular as your friends doesn't mean you are in poverty or unpopular. But everyone loves an inspiring story, even if it's highly exaggerated.
Name and shame
@@Catwomen4512hints:
in 2013 she both broke up with Ryan Seacrest and was cancelled for wearing blackface to a Halloween party.
The school was Alta High School in Utah.
@@MsFitz134julianne hough... god damn LMAO
@@felixt808 congratulations! 🎉
@MsFitz134 of course it had to be Utah 😂
It is truly the work of a mad woman to go onto DIY tiktok, become a popular creator and show people your DIY and then get mad when someone in the same community does something similar.
Yeah why make a how to tutorial and get mad when people learn how to do what you do?
I mean she is bi-polar 🤷🏻♀️
@@amyfarmer5408 Rocking that retro ableism, huh.
She wanted a DIM channel (Do It Myself)
Yeah, it’s really hard for me to see Tay as anything other than a “mean girl”. Her snarky tone in her original “callout”, her grasping at straws to make Kaarin look bad, her BLOCKING Kaarin so she couldn’t see or respond to the situation, and the fact that she only apologized after losing a collaboration deal with a wallpaper company? Every single move she’s made regarding this is so disingenuous. She literally got famous off of pre-established Pinterest DIYs and then decided to try and tear down another creator for essentially doing the same.
Edit: Revisited this and… god, the way Taylor keeps repeating “omg but it’s okay, it’s ✨creative✨” just sounds so slimy and vindictive, I can’t stand it. It’s so clear from her tone that she’s saying all this in bad faith.
i just don’t understand this whole controversy because i feel like a lot of being an artist is about being inspired by other people. even as fiber artists, we constantly get inspiration from others. kaarin didn’t copy her designs straight up, she took a piece of what she was inspired by and recreated it, and that’s a lot of what art is. to be inspired by nothing would be to not be an artist … i’m not done watching your video yet but i just needed to say this because i feel like creativity is solo but also collaborative and i think this is really important to understand. maybe i don’t get it because i’m not on tiktok but like why are we gatekeeping colors and squiggles?
update: i def agree that artists should be credited as inspiration though, especially small artists! there’s room for all of us to have followers/subscribers. life is not always a competition
yes! there’s room for all of us in the creative space because everyone can bring their unique perspective to something! would’ve been so cool to see them collab on a project instead of things falling out like this
Your take reminds me of some youtube shorts creators who had similar content and now they collaborate and are all friends and it feels more like a community
Edit: turns out her allegations were pretty silly so what I said doesn't apply lol
Sort of an off topic rant but from an art standpoint, inspiration can easily just be an excuse to plagiarise. Some people think that copying someone else's artwork without credit is fine as long as they swap out some elements. Changing the human in the piece into a furry in the same exact pose as the original artwork, doing nearly the same thing. Moving around the magic runic circles to different positions, but keeping all the other shapes and design decisions the original artwork had for those magic circles. Composition, concepting, etc., those all take skill and can be plagiarized. I agree that art is often incredibly collaborative and it's wonderful to continually get inspired by other people. I'm just frustrated by all the people who say tracing is the only form of art theft and copying an entire artwork with minor changes is inspiration.
@@schnozz4301 While composition is important, I will point out that some of your examples do not count as plagiarism on their own. For instance, the pose example is not a form of art theft. Especially as when you do certain things, your body has to be in particular poses for balance. Now, if they match nearly exact proportions and placement within the piece along with the pose and activity, you'd have a slight point because then it is getting to the "You referenced too heavily at best. At worst, you traced." But to illustrate this clearer: let's say I was drawing a person pitching a baseball from a side view and I chose to draw the moment of release. I draw it out and post it. Someone else sees it and decides to draw their furry OC doing this. Unless their work has more than the mere pose (compositional placement, proportions, color, background, etc) in common, I'm not going to go "This was clearly copied from my work!" Now, if the pose is very unique, you might have some ground but even then, repeat after me: pose theft is not a thing. A pose so unique that you can absolutely say you are the only one to have ever thought of it in all of history is going to be fairly rare at best.
Also to be real nitpicky: as a witch, I literally laughed over the magic circles. The placement of your runes and lines matter. So if someone is designing based on those rules, they're going to be similar to others due to those rules limiting choices. It'll depend on more than just "this magic circle is similar." Also, as someone who does a lot of art, there are tons of brushes out there for magic circles and other assets for these. Made by artists for others to use, and some have very low bars for credit while others have high ones. This is also a bad example for copying.
I agree that art theft can encompass more than just literal tracing, but the examples you gave are terrible for explaining how we figure out what is plagiarized and what is not. Ultimately, lots of art theft that is not simply tracing is more nuanced and can't really be a set of criteria that's easy to go "Oh this is totally okay or not" but rather tends to be more "Let me look at the pieces in question and start a tally list of similarities versus differences and weigh them." And even after you make that list you then have to determine what are the most distinctive parts and give them a greater weight in your decision.
There is a difference between someone straight stealing/copying exact decor etc and getting inspo. Kaarin is clearly getting inspo and doing it in a different way. Tay just acts like she is being ripped off completely when that’s not true.
I think she wasn't happy Kaarin was getting attention for it when she was inspired by Tay, so Tay wanted a shout-out or her handle credited every time Kaarin got inspired and did something like a gradient in a different way.
But also Tay does not own any of her design ideas. So it doesn't matter if someone copies her interior designs, since they aren't actual products or services she is selling.
i love crocheting while i watch a crochet drama tea video it feels so meta
REALLL
Literally me
SAME CROCHETING A CARDIGAN RN
Just don’t monetize it, I’m calling dibs on that! (Am I doing this right?)
Damn I wish I had something to crochet down here but I left all of it home! I had a shrug to finish but I needed some extra yarn I didn't have the budget for and I wasn't sure if I had enough to begin with. Also I didn't know if it would fit into my luggage.
I’m sorry but who has ever said that blue and green is an uncommon colour combo lol I feel like I’ve always known that those go together, especially those shades.
ETA a lot of Tays squiggly design stuff is also very similar to Emily Rayna, especially the shelf door/cover she did for the Australian clients house
ETA (again lol) Kaarin also just painted her bathroom a bright yellow and Tay posted about painting her bathroom July 17
Yeah like this entire ~aesthetic~ reminds me of the 90s. Tay saying "oh well that's 'creative' 🙄" sounds so silly, as if she somehow invented this exact style.
What does ETA means in this context?
@@express999snsd edit to add!
@@express999snsdETA in this context = Edited To Add.
oh my god i can’t believe two people are painting at the same time. obviously someone is copying someone 🙄
OOOOOOKAYYY..... Taybeepboop pulled a punk ass move by posting that video bashing kaarin and blocking her from seeing it. That is truly mean girl behavior and she KNEW her followers would go harass kaarin, while Tay herself is protected from any response due to blocking her. Extremely shitty, passive aggressive behavior.
The point of DIY content is to share inspiration and show people how anyone can do the stuff you're doing. Taybeepboop is being extremely shady and gatekeeping the home decor she literally shows everyone how to do. I've planned to do projects in my own home inspired by her work, I'm sure MANY people have. It's why so many folks follow DIY and home decor accounts. This is icky for sure.
Edit for clarification
So basically, Taylor is being a drama queen and Kaarina is being reasonable. I feel really bad for Kaarina. She deserves better. No one should have to be treated like that ever and the fact that all of these ideas are on Pinterest anyways and I even have several of them on my board before these posts are even made it’s just insane.
Pinterest has hundreds of thousands of things. One person chose some of them. The other person, instead of going to pinterest herself and doing her own research, just lazily chose the ideas from the first person.
i would love if you covered the all time greats of fibre artists faking their own demises
I had never heard of this! Did one google search and now I’m invested. I’m adding this to my list!
I need more information about this lol. I have no heard of this either. I'm nosy lol.
I'm a designer (branding, identity, typography, etc.) and this is SO true in my industry. Even when someone has a truly novel idea, it still connects to the grand scheme of where artistic thought is moving at that moment. Art is kind of like language, constantly evolving and redefining itself while still being connected to its roots from a thousand years ago. ❤
Idk how I found this video, but I really hope you post more like this! You were fair and insightful, and I got real fired up when you started talking about the interconnectedness of art. Subscribing :)
Exactly! I’m a designer as well, and my final year of school we basically had a thesis project. Mine was on originality and discussed inspiration, imitation, and plagiarism. My conclusion was that originality is “dead”, but not in a bad way. Like you said, art is constantly evolving and redefining itself. We’re seeing old styles come back, but with new twists. People are taking existing things and rearranging the elements to make something new. Obviously, yes, outright plagiarism/art theft exists, but I’ve also seen a lot of copying accusations where the two art pieces are quite different. Part of the reason art exists is to inspire, but some people seem to forget this.
Totally!! Honestly to me i find it a really big comment when someone says my art piece reminds them of something they like, or a certain designer or artists (and when i check out theyre always so cool!) and it also allows me to get more inspired from those!
@@christina3115 100%! Your comment got me thinking again, and it just occurred to me why it feels so wrong when people misinterpret inspiration as theft. As artists and designers, we strive to make people feel something. It's not that we're trying to manipulate their emotions-it's actually the opposite. We want to share our vision/perspective/nostalgia/purpose, so other people can connect with it and see what we see.
You said originality is dead, and I agree. Good art doesn't usually feel like something you've never seen; good art feels like someone reached into your memories and pulled out something unique to you, something you thought you were alone in feeling. Good art connects us by exposing the threads of our inner life and weaving them together with other people's perspectives.
So when people misinterpret inspiration as theft, it severs that shared experience and makes the art inaccessible. If an idea only belongs to one person, it can't evolve past that person. It can't live inside other people.
@@christina3115 That said, straight-up copying is super shitty. If you aren't adding your own spin on it, you're actively cheapening something that should've been special. (BUT I also think copying is important in an artist's early career! It's normal for a young designer/artist's work to feel derivative, because they're still learning the medium and don't know their style yet. I kinda wonder if that's what happened in this video... Tay seems like the more advanced designer, and it would've been cool if she'd reached out and collaborated to help the younger designer evolve.)
Sorry for writing a whole essay lol. I guess I care about this more than I realized 🤪
@@adatewithkate Ohmygod no, don't apologize for writing that much!! I LOVE talking about this stuff, especially with fellow designers and artists, and could seriously talk about it all day haha.
I think you nailed it there. Art truly is about connection/shared experience, and I think in this specific situation, that's part of the reason people are siding with Kaarin more than Tay. Tay's response makes it seem like her ideas are only her's and no one else can recreate or be inspired by them (despite the fact she was also drawing inspiration from other places). She's cut that connection and the sense of community surrounding art and design, especially DIY.
And yeah, totally agree-outright copying is bad, especially if you're trying to pass it off as your own/something "original". I also agree that copying is a great learning tool. I remember one prof telling my class to copy designs we like on purpose so we understand what it actually is that we like about the original piece, then use what you've learned to create something new. I do think Kaarin did this with some of her designs, where it was clear there was probably some inspiration/copying from Tay, but she was trying to add her own twist.
You know this obsession with uniqueness is a disease when people are saying "don't do my do-it-yourself projects yourself"
You’re actually so funny
Its funny, my dad was telling me the other day that sometimes people have a very angry and negative internal dialog so by the time they say something it comes out hostile and accusatory. I then told him about this situation because it seems to match up with that theory. I think a lot of people around Tay backed up her negative feelings on the situation so she expected that no matter how bad her attitude was people would agree with her. As an artist myself I expect to make mistakes in my career but I hope i'll learn from those situations. That's what I hope for Tay. Its a shame that she has to learn such a hard lesson after gaining a huge audience.
Interesting insight. This could also be related to her going off her medications and letting herself have more of that negative internal dialogue than she would normally have when her bipolar is more regulated.
this makes so much more sense. some days my int dialogue is so angry and vile, usually about myself and just life in general, but when I'm finally spoken to I say it a lot more harshly than I even mean to. I'll try to keep this in mind, thank you.
I’m definitely meaner in comments and in real life when I’m feeling extremely anxious or negative
Tay seems like the type of person to see another girl wearing the same shirt at a party and throw a fit demanding she go home and change.
Edit to add: The game cafe near me has a mounted troll head the someone made to commemorate the end of the first dnd campaign. It’s in the Center wall above the big table where the DM-in-residence runs weekly drop in sessions, and it’s been there since 2016, so I guess HER bf should be giving a random game cafe in Canada credit lmao
I unfollowed and blocked Tay months ago when she was being rude to her own followers for having the audacity to say they would’ve done things differently…she shot down any criticism immediately and harshly and I was not a fan of that at all
Thank you so much for making the point that saying you saw something on Pinterest is not the same thing as crediting the artist. I curate & share art online as a hobby and special interest, and I only share something if a) I can directly credit and link back to the piece, or b) it's an antique or historical piece that's confirmed to have no known artist. It drives me absolutely nuts when people share things uncredited, but it's somehow even MORE irritating when they just caption it "credit to artist" or "found on Pinterest/Facebook/Reddit." That means they know enough to know they SHOULD be giving credit, but are too lazy to actually do the work to find the source.
Me too. And I can understand that sometimes it can be difficult to trace things (I blame sites like Pinterest for this) but most of the time it comes across as pure laziness/disregard for wherever the idea for the piece actually came from
"credit goes to the artist!" the funny thing is that it didnt
For real! Anyone even using pinterest gives me the creeps instantly just necause of how much the platform is built off of uncredited image use. No matter what you say about how easy and inspiring it is, the POINT of the website/app as a whole is to hoover in pictures that have not been credited OR asked permission for. Boils my blood.
@@jasminv8653tbh Pinterest shouldn’t be used to source images, just to gather inspo. I use it a lot but if I ever want to post an image I find from there I reverse image search to find the first instance of it online or the name of the artist
I get a lot of fandom stuff in my Pinterest feed which means a LOT of uncredited art, because I mostly hang out on Tumblr I recognize a lot of the artists I see (the two I can think of right now are Ministarfruit and Sinlizard's Ace Attorney art, both of which are fantastic artists btw) so I try to credit them whenever I think I recognize their art style
You are the only person I’ve seen cover this situation that has mentioned Kaarin’s previous crediting faults. I personally enjoy Kaarin’s posts & work a lot and think she is generally in the right in regards to the Taybeeboop stuff. I do however think it’s super weird to not credit other creators, especially those that you openly admit to being inspired by
Kaarin's colour choices make her kitchen look like its a plastic playhouse - which I think was probably part of the point. It creates a completely different vibe to the fireplace.
Imagine having a diy channel and getting mad when people are inspired to do the diy.
I love this channel. There's something about extremely low-stakes drama that is addictive
Most of the designs both of them are doing are some sort of redesign of stuff you can find on Pinterest or Tumblr. The Tumblr girlies have been doing things like that for years. There are a lot of "quirky and colourful" interior design pics going around the internet. This whole drama is ridiculous.
Do you remember we❤it? The page with pictures? Yeah... There's been a lot of that kind of stuff on that site in like 2012...
Just make your art the way you want and stop caring about what people do.
Even the crocheted animals with fruit and things have been done a million times. Adding decals to your glass surfaces as well.
Their niche is diy, but they still act like influencers. I think they're okay with their viewers doing the diy, but should that fan become just as popular then it becomes a problem.
A lot of the common interior design trends come from 50s and onward, so is she willing to go all the way back to and credit the interior designers for her inspiration?
However I am all about crediting people. I would love a video on pinterest. The lack of crediting people on posts is bad.
I mean, they are literally influencing each other, so they are *influencers*
On Tumblr there is an entire blog dedicated to finding the original source, simply because they find it fun,
They've discussed how often these images get completely decoupled from their orginial context and their creators see no recognition for creating some of the most iconic and recognizable images on the internet.
I feel like, especially when it comes to small businesses like these when an influencer takes that 5 - 30 seconds, they are truly using their audience to do good in a way that a lot of them dont seem to realize. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but even 100 extra clicks and 1 extra sale can mean so much to a pattern maker or an etsy store. And it makes me sad that these influencers have not taken the time and the lesson to show greater care to the community
Also, great video and congrats on the new channel! This popped up organically in my feed so you're doing something right!
Omg please what's the tumblr name ?
@@asterya6913 its @my-hobby-is-finding-the-source ! They are a wonderful blog!!!
I would also like the name of the account if you remember it
I love her being like “who else could’ve come up with blue and green together” as if there isn’t a billion instances of those two colors being paired for, like, hundreds of years in a ton of categories of life. I mean hell my sorority’s colors were bright blue and green. Did someone go back into the 90s to copy her when it was founded?
My mother ran her craft shop for decades, teaching everything from needle crafts (beading, ribbon, etc included), to brush crafts.
I used to teach basic folk art in the store and helped many times over creating craft lessons or testing designs she had created using bead craft, papercraft, candle making, screen printing, etc.
Lost count of the amount of times I have seen a creator "invent" something my Mother used to do daily.
Folk art stippling was repurposed as "daubing" for fingernails and the inventor spoke like she had created the stroke.
Marbling cakes, psychedelic cakes, cartoon cakes was something I and my friends loved making in the 80's yet social media creators act like they've done a revolution.
People need to learn to be humble in any craft they didn't completely invent, as many have said. The hands that came before opened the path to what you're doing now so be thankful, and pass it on.
This right here. They act like it's all new stuff, but just trends ebbing and flowing with the times.
It's nothing more than a cycle.
I can't believe this is your 1st video. Great job.
I don't have tiktok & don't know these people but I am passionate about DIY. Honestly I would be beyond flattered if someone took inspiration from one of my diys. This really seems petty & unnecessary IMO.
they have another channel, Made In The Moment, where they do crochet and knit! This is just the first video on this channel:)
I think the issue is, its not just me or you being inspired by her designs, it's another major content creator who makes money from their DIY content. If you believe that your original content is being ripped by another creator and they can grow and profit without crediting you, then you can rightfully call it out. It happened all the time in the makeup community with artists stealing other artists look. I think this is ultimately a petty drama but the reaction to it seems totally blown out of proportion.
And honestly same!! I am an artist(with like painting/drawing and sewing) and honestly I would be absolutely overjoyed that someone liked MY design enough to make something. Like man that just blows my mind
TayBeepBoop needs help, coming from someone with the same condition as her. She's made 2 videos now denying her bipolar diagnosis while off her medication, her latest one having her friends stage an intervention. I don't know if it's her personality or because she's mid manic episode but she treats it like a "haha funny game that gets me attention". I sincerely hope she works with her psychiatrist and sees a psychologist. This is coming from someone with bipolar who has been there. I know from experience how dangerous it is and how mania warps our perception of reality and how it feels like nothing is wrong and everything is normal. If she's anything like me, and now revisiting this drama after her latest bipolar video, she's talking the way she does in her bipolar videos, not taking anything seriously, talking like a petty teenager. If she is manic, it's likely she gets paranoid delusions. Speaking from experience, it's like everyone is coming after you. You'll cling onto anything that feeds your delusions.
I was hoping to find a comment like this and you laid it out better than I could! And as another bipolar person, her behavior and the way she talks about it is really off putting and feels stigmatizing to me. Even/especially when she says she's on her meds, she's very dismissive and yet attention seeking in a way that makes me really uncomfortable, even outside this situation. I get that a lot of people don't like or trust their diagnosis sometimes but she definitely needs to get the right kind of help and it seems like she isn't
I was literally thinking this as well 💜
@@omgmo1962 same same same!!!!
One of the reasons I unsubscribed from TayBeepBop on YT Shorts a bit ago was because her bipolar videos made me so uncomfortable. I have several people in my life with this condition and it just felt like watching someone slowly destroy their life... it's really fucking sad. I hope she takes a break from social media and seeks help.
Oh jesus, yeah mania will make you do dumb shit like this. Edit: omg I remember her now! Yeah she seems like she’s slowly going off the rails. Bipolar disorder is such a sad and scary disease
Tay is delusional. I literally know three people with homes with the same aesthetic as hers. All three people had their homes that way before Tay even blew up. And we all live in the same city as Tay. It’s wild she thinks she “owns” this style.
I’m not a DIY-er, but i’ve been a long time member of art communities, and it reminds me of artists who would accuse each other of “stealing their art styles” despite their art style being a pretty basic anime style or otherwise derivative of popular styles that neither artist created in the first place
😂 lol yeah, “style theft” & “pose theft” accusations on deviant art & similar sites always revealed the accusers age/ maturity to be quite low. Now if you trace, then you should credit, but I can’t tell you how many kids I’ve seen accuse each other of “style theft” for mediocre copies of anime characters
It really does people a disservice when they get caught up in being "one of a kind" and "different", instead of just doing something because they love it
one time I saw taybeepboop post a reel where she was painting a ceiling and she painted over a fire alarm
someone politely commented saying that’s not up to regulations and isn’t safe (ie the alarm wouldn’t work properly in the case of a fire) and taybeepboop responded poking at the person and saying she can do whatever she wants etc when it was just an informational comment not attacking her
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I mean she can do what she wants but damn poking fun at a supporter 😮💨
I was renting a place and all fire alarms were put on the ceiling way too soon, so the paint or whatever made them stick to it, I was going insane trying to rip them off the ceiling when their batteries died and they started beeping like every minute 🤪
I have a friend who's always looking out for people 'copying' them, and money is always the driving factor. Making money from your creative work makes you a lot more protective over it, and it's a shame that it kept Tay from recognizing that she was lucky enough to have someone who shared her tastes. Collaboration can be a great way to grow, there's no reason that she couldn't have seen this situation as an opportunity rather than unwanted competition. And that's only taking the business side of things into account!
I cannot imagine posting DIY content and then saying people are copying you... that's like the whole point of sharing your DIY projects. And she put her own spin and style into all the stuff too. None of it was exactly the same other than the wallpaper. So sad they could've been good friends and collaborated instead of this mess.
The comments on Tay's posts being all about Kaarin sucks BUT if she can handle it mentally then it's smart to keep posting and keep comments on because her account is still getting views and interaction. It will help her with the algorithm in the long run.
that’s fair I didn’t think about that. Plus even though ALL the comments are about this…at least they’re pretty tame as far as hate comments go
the illuminaughtii school of post your way through the controversy 😭
The funniest part of this video is where it shows that Karin posted so many of these supposed "copycat" diys before Tay. I just about died laughing. How ridiculous.
Obviously Kaarin must receive psychic visions so she can steal Tay's work and post it first so people would think Tay is the copier, it's the most reasonable explanation xD
girl watched the designs from the 70's and thinks she owns the aesthetics of it
*posts DIY tutorial on tiktok*
Anyone: *uses it*
Creator: HOW DARE YOU!
“I’m going to shown you how I did this. BUT DON’T MAKE IT YOURSELF!!” That’s the vibe I’m getting…like what the hell there is room for both of them in the design world… no one is unique anymore just trying to do what makes us happy and showing what we thought was cool to others. SHE SUPPORTED YOUR WALLPAPER LINE! no room for girls that aren’t girls girls ❌🙅🏼♀️
the i stayed at a hotel in 1977 give me credit TOOK ME OUTT
This happened to me on a smaller level with a "tumblr famous" poet when I was a teenager and let me tell you, it's one of my core wounds
This is genuine curiosity, why was she posting DIYs online in the first place if she was going to have a fit over someone using the DIYs? What was even the point of making them then???? Or is it only okay for people to use her DIY stuff for inspo as long as that person doesn't get ~attention~? Truly baffling thought process.
Also, my friend in middle school had a blue and green painted room with almost the exact same shades and that was back in the 90's💀
Some people seemingly require near constant praise in order to feel normal, others just like showing off and being, at least temporarily, the center of attention. I'm sure that there are other options, but I'm not an expert in these things.
Yes thank you for being VERY objective! I think both are not 100% right. Some commentary are saying Tay is 100% wrong while Kaarin is 100% right and I just feel like that's not the case at all. Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy but credit is still very important (no matter that's a small or big creator).
My bias as a designer made me initially want to see where Tay was coming from. A public accusation like that doesn’t come out of nowhere but this seems to be a case of parallel thought/both of them having really similar inspiration sources probably outside of either of them. If either of them had credited more thoroughly we could’ve followed the line of inspiration more. And Kaarin could’ve better protected herself from a call out like this- however ridiculous the vehicle of the criticism was.
Kaarin has credited Tay on multiple occasions. What your missing is that a large portion of tay’s following literally came from Kaarin shouting her out and giving her credit😂😂 there’s thousands of people that didn’t even know tay existed before Kaarin told them about her 😂
love to see Crutches and spice! she always has excellent insight on stuff like this
always!
The funniest part is that not even the monster heads are a new idea 😂 I have seen super old cartoons with monster heads mounted as trophies, I also saw it in a haunted house at six flags years ago. It all comes from the idea of hunting trophies, and if you go to Etsy , there are makes that do that kind of stuff and have been doing it for YEARS.
I love that she was called out by her friend and showed receipts.
Also, Kaarin is just showing the process of decorating HER house. She’s not selling her services as decorator or anything, she’s just making her home cozy and fun for her and her husband. And every time she has a project she saw online and wants to try she shows screen captures and all, so… even if both have a huge following, one is making it to sell herself as a decorator, but the other is doing it for fun and to get her house done.
Also, my grandma had a moss mirror in the 90s and then it was already an old one. My school had squiggles on the walls as decor. Green and blue are my son’s favourite colour combos and there’s a lot of clothes with that mix. Tay is pretty dumb thinking she’s the first person to discover all that.
At first, the comments were in support of Tay, I saw it 11 mins after she posted the initial video. It felt really bizarre reading through them and feeling like I didn't agree
oh super interesting to know! I wouldn't be surprised if people JUST saw that video with no other context that they could think that. I saw a similar thing happen before in a knitting plagiarism accusation.
The "poverty" thing always seemed like a lie to me. Girl owns property in SF, and you don't get to that point as a millennial in marketing without something else going on (family help cough cough). Also, I don't buy how many things she claims to get for free or super cheap that cost sooooo much money irl. It just all seems to work out too conveniently. She's trying to pretend she's a lot more scrappy and resourceful than I think she probably is. Omg you needed this exact shaped rug in this color and just happened to find it for $12?! NO WAY!
Imagine the cool things that would come if they just did a collab instead of Tay having a tantrum because she wasn’t the most “unique” person on the room. Real shame
I just had to say that I CAN'T BELIEVE this is your first video! So good, so thorough and excellent commentary! As a musician, so excited when you talked about art inspiring art and the ties in classical music! Please continue making more!
I think it's all very childish. Like live your life, be happy that others are taking inspiration from you. Be adults about it if it bothers you that much. Give credit where it's due and just move on, know what I'm saying? Also love how you are taking the time to get info from both sides so we get a well rounded look at what's going on :)
Correction on follower counts is that caarin had 1.8 at the time the Vidor of rays dropped and Tay was at 1.9, so even more amazing how this drama backfired and helped caarin gain over 2mill now
Why can’t Tay just be happy that there’s someone else out there with a similar vibe that loves her art and aesthetic?? Like bro why can’t we just be friends???
"Blue and green are abnormal color choices" tay is beefing with the windows xp wallpaper🗣📣
This is so sad. I feel so bad for Karin. She has to look at her house now and remember this whole ugly ordeal. How terrible. 😞
I used to be a part of the digital scrap booking community years ago as a designer - I remember one time coming up with this quirky idea that I hadn't seen before - on the day I was due to release the design, a very popular designer came out with a very similar idea. I didn't end up releasing my design because I knew that I would be accused of copying, even though we just had the same idea at the same time but she was popular and I was not. I had already seen my share of copying drama in the community prior to this and I just didn't want to go there.
The thing with this drama is that most of these diys and styles aren't new, they've been around for a while, mostly seen in Pinterest and other sites. So all of this just a bit funny as these creators make it look as though they came up with it when in reality they most probably just recreated something they saw.
i swear i wanna shake some of these people and just scream at them "YOU ARE NOT ORIGINAL!" y'all there are 8 BILLION people on this planet - originality is dead! and it's been rotting in its grave for literal centuries now. even without tiktok, would it really be so farfetched to think of someone coming up with the idea to paint a squiggle on their wall? glue moss to random shit? hell, the monster heads also gets a chuckle from me bc like... practical effects have been That Bitch since the golden age of hollywood. were movie monster artists back in the 80s retroactively copying her boyfriend?
the point is that we all get inspiration from somewhere, and that's totally okay! i need y'all to go to a painting class where everyone is made to paint the same still life or model, and just observe how each individual interprets it. even if they're meant to do a one for one recreation, i promise you that there will be quirks to each piece, something that cannot be easily reproduced due to the very nature of painting.
i have no idea where the hell this neurotic desire to be seen as unique and special stems from, so much so that you grow incredibly possessive and childish whenever someone else comes up with a similar idea or interpretation, but it's fucking exhausting. kill your ego!
Yeah once it becomes livelihood it becomes something people's baser natures try to protect. You can see it with multilevel marketers who get pissy when you decide to leave.
Basically, late stage capitalism hurts us all.@melissamarieable
Even more so, I want to shake them and say "ART IS INHERENTLY DERIVATIVE, THE FIRST ART WAS DERIVED FROM NATURE"
The fact that I first saw that moss (and mushroom) mirror idea from PricklyAlpaca here on RUclips, and she only did it because the mirror was broken and she wanted to salvage it 😂
I don't use TikTok, so I had no idea who these people were until now.
Literally no idea is original. There have been historical cases where two inventors have made the exact same thing completely independently from each other, the same scientific "discoveries" by two completely different scientists from opposite sides of the world.
And as you said, in art everyone copies everyone. There are paintings by Leonardo Da Vinci where he directly copied his teacher.
So this actually reminds me of something that I saw a little while back. I’m in the horror art community and there was this artist who basically accidentally found a way to harness Twitter’s image compression to create a sort of “click to reveal” effect on his pieces, where if you initially look at the post, it’s one thing, but actually clicking on it exposed a fuzzy second image that was hidden before due to the formatting. He BLEW UP from this work and was seen as really really talented for it.
Another artist I know somehow found a way to replicate that effect and tried it on a few pieces - both artists have different artstyles and both draw different things. I think they even followed each other. Well, when the second artist tried out that tactic, the first one ended up commenting some vague petty statements underneath his posts, as if he was claiming he owned the technique or something. It was weird, and the second artist only tried it out a few times anyways.
I don’t like the idea that certain concepts can be owned or specific to one individual. The arts and creativity is all about sharing the love, anyways, so why act like that in the first place?
Edit - ofc credit is due where it’s due! I have redrawn the works of other artists I know and when I do and I post it I always make sure to credit the original.
I wish you'd posted a link to this! I'm interested now
Omg 😭 this is another illuminaughti situation. She claimed legal eagle stole a video transition and highlighting. 😃 there is a video on her I think that’s better than me but this reminds of this so much
Who is the artist? I'd love to follow them!
Who's the artist I'd love to know
this level of drama and discourse over the fugliest most generic 2020 ass design choices is ridiculous 😭
The witch store I frequent has a moss mirror with a bunch of crystals and toy animals incorporated. Did my favorite witch store copy Tay? 🤔
Tay pulled the same sort of foolish stunt as Creepshow Art and Blair (Iiluminaughtii or however it’s spelled) by publicly accusing someone of committing some injustice against them, only to be exposed for doing the same thing and worse. Creepshow Art obviously to a vastly larger and more sinister scale (although Blair is pretty sinister too). Tay hasn’t done anything even close to Blair and Shannon but it’s a similar pattern of behavior. Blair used her platform to baselessly accuse LegalEagle of plagiarizing her video editing effect, then was lambasted for thinking she owned one of the most common effects you can use. It only got worse because she was accused of multiple acts of plagiarism that actually held water. Her whole situation is a massive rabbit hole so I won’t elaborate anymore. But Tay did the same thing! Publicly bashing Kaarin for “copying” her and doing it in an unnecessarily nasty and mean way, getting backlash, then people finding out she “copies”/doesn’t credit people all the time. I have to imagine it has something to do with the competitive nature of social media success (or these creator’s perception of the competitive nature), poor impulse control, and an inflated ego that makes them feel invincible and like they are just so fantastic and unique. I can’t think of another reason why they have so much audacity. Don’t throw stones from a glass house! If you have a recent history of doing something sh*tty, don’t get on your soapbox and act all high and mighty while you call someone else out for that same thing, especially if the person you’re calling out didn’t even actually do it. It’s a tale as old as time apparently, but I sincerely hope people learn from these creators and stop doing it. It really is unbelievable to me that Tay, a do-it-yourself creator, thought it was a good idea to make a video bashing a fellow do-it-yourself creator for, well, doing it herself. That’s such a ridiculous thing to do. If she had approached Kaarin privately and asked for her to make sure to credit Tay when she is inspired by her that would be totally fine (but Tay should take her own advice there). But she didn’t do that, and because she made her public post in such a petty and underhanded way, it made people even more pissed off. The fact that Tay thought it was her right to act as though these designs that she claimed Kaarin copied were her own original ideas shows that she needs to humble herself and be more mindful of her own actions. You can find basically any of Kaarin or Tay’s designs somewhere online before they posted videos doing the project, so Tay has no leg to stand on in accusing Kaarin of “copying” her without credit when she herself draws inspiration from other art and doesn’t credit the original creator either. The very nature of their genre of content makes it tricky to make that kind of accusation, because they both make tutorials showing people how they made their various projects and decor. As many have said, don’t become an influencer if you don’t want to influence. I think the main takeaway should be to credit the original creator whenever possible, and not just mentioning them, but tagging them/linking to their account as well. And don’t let your success get to your head like this! This whole thing was so unnecessary and stupid.
I didn’t intend to write a whole essay but here we are I guess! Side note, thank you Emma for this great video! You really did your due diligence and made an insightful and entertaining video. I’m looking forward to more of your videos in the future! :)
I couldn't agree with you more! 👏👏👏👏👏
I saw a tiktok that was clearly satirical that was like "im gonna put blue and green frosting on my cookies! im so sorry if i copied u!" u or something and i understood right away it was a joke but looking back it was def making fun of this situation
17:33 bro i grew up in a tiny 2 bedroom apartment and even with food stamps trips to the local food bank were a normal occurrence all the way through highschool and i still wouldn't say i grew up in _poverty,_ just poor. she grew up going to a private school, both parents working government jobs with a family beachhouse and she thinks that's poverty???
niche tiktok drama is wild asf bc this was super inconsequential and dumb. it reminds me of the old art commentary community here on youtube who would do months long cancellation campaigns over tracing. i think people went too hard at that tay person, tbh its gross seeing people who usually wouldnt say anything salivate to kick someone as theyre getting piled on by everyone even if they did something wrong.
anyway good video! i knew nothing about these people or this niche but you caught me up pretty well. congrats on hitting the algo on your first vid
I created a wall of dino heads in 1997 for my son's room. So I guess they're both copying me.
'she asked me not to do any of her DIYs' what did she think DIY meant when she posted them??? if you don't want people to do it themselves, why are you posting a 'do-it-yourself' 😭
This really all could have been avoided if the original creator just said like “Hey if you get inspired by my work or decide to do this yourself please tag me! I’d love to see what you’ve made and would love the shout out for being your inspiration, maybe others could be inspired by all of this as well.” Like, why be offended as a DIYer if your practically someone’s muse.
Not only is art derived from other things actively, art is a response to culture. They both are in the school of thought that renters (and everyone) deserve to enjoy their living place. They also a part of dopamine decor. Ombres and gradients are certainly not original, they’ve been around for quite some time and seem to be a culturally popular pattern. Squiggles are a joyous and child-like, and Ive seen other designers use them in similar ways quite recently.
One might say that theyre responding to our current economic situation and the need for joy in spite of COVID and climate change and all of the terrible things. They also both earned degrees that they are not using, and I could see either talking about needless productivity or the push into adulthood and maturity too soon. If we really want to treat DIY and craft as art, we need to criticize people ‘owning’ ideas and we should desire to work together, as contemporaries do. These two could be in conversation, but instead theyre in conflict.
This all reminds me of the Carl Sagan quote 'If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe'
“ Art is derived from other art” YES! THIS! ❤
I keep being thrown by the monster head mount thing. You can literally buy that kind of stuff at a comic book store. The one in my mall sells dnd dragon head mounts. If i want a monster head gallery, it would not be hard to achieve. How can she claim the idea of monster head mounts as a thing just between her and her boyfriend?
This is something an artist friend of mine and I talk about a lot. Even "off the wall/creative" style has become weirdly standardized. My friend and I live 400km apart and really struggle to find each other unique gifts.
And the stupid things is, it used to be a lot easier! But it feels like things handmade either get commodified very quickly or die or even more quickly.
And the other part is, it never was that "unique" in the first place, and we just didn't know because it wasn't all on the same few platforms.
I worked my way out of poverty by painting my room green and blue. I worked hard for my moss mirror.
shes not selling a product or anything, shes decorating HER HOUSE, why cant she decorate it how she like damn
For your first video, I think it was really well done. I've been following all of this for the last week and you had a lot of information that I hadn't seen so I think you did a great job putting all of this together as well as providing great commentary. 💜
i couldnt believe this was your first video, this is so well done and i love the calm energy you bring to these kinds of "discourse" videos! excited for whatever you put out next ^-^
Seconding. This is amazing for a first video.
Idk who you are or how DIY drama ended up on my home page BUT, I really enjoyed this video. Very to the point while also touching the necessary bases. As someone who has no idea who these people are or what the drama was, I was able to understand and became interested. 🙌🏽 Thank you!
thank you for making this, it’s an amazing first video!!! i’m excited to listen to you talk more about drama involving topics i know nothing about & people i will never meet, lol. art is derivative, copying with credit is one of the purest forms of love, and your takes are solid across the board ✨
i’m happy this video was recommended to me because once the drama started i got the back half of that content on my fyp. thanks for the recap and good luck on your youtube journey!!
Tay wants to be the only quirky home on tik tik person while ironically promoting DIY which is about recreating or making stuff for yourself. Tay you ain't the only 'colourful quirky' person in the world get over yourself.
Around 25:30 when you criticize Kaarin for saying she saw someone else on tiktok do the squiggle but not specifying the name - I think it is very normal to see an idea you like, not immediately use it but remember it, then not be able to recall the specific source later. This feels like a bizarre criticism that forgets normal human behavior.
Yeah upon reflection that critique was a bit harsh. I know I’ve certainly forgotten to credit people before as much as I try to give credit when I can. Appreciate you calling me out on the unfair criticism
That's normal for someone who doesn't monetize their art, not for an influencer of her size. She should absolutely do a better job at crediting artists, especially if she herself acknowledged there was a *specific* video from a *specific* person that inspired her.
Not to mention that she didn't see the idea from an obscure and random source but from the only other creator who has a similar style and following. There is no way she wasn't able to recall the source in that instance.
The critique is more than valid, especially given Kaarin's history with not crediting crochet patterns
I totally agree. Especially on tiktok where most people primarily watch their fyp full of random videos. I've lost so many videos I wanted to go back to because I forgot to save it and have no idea who posted it.
The way Kaarin pointed out that Tay shows everyone how to do it and then gets mad was absolutely the key
I lovw how much you added to the conversation! I hadn't seen anything about crochet anywhere with this interior design drama. Cool to learn
Repeatedly not crediting people is a red flag. It really isn't that difficult to do. So, they both have room to improve.
Man why are people so pissy about how people like the inside of their homes? It’s their living space! Recording the process and showing it online should be a nice bonus, but why should they be forbidden from using something simply because they’ve got a camera now?
this is a great first video! excited to see what you cover and create in the future :)
Second girl is so obviously in the right. Great point about the irony about a DIY channel getting made people were influenced by them
"she's copying my boyfriends monster heads" *shows dinosaurs* girl