there’s so many random youtube tutorials for spiderweb sweaters and cardigans and vests and all kinds of stuff along those lines 😭 it’s not an original idea in the slightest lol
The idea that "theives always deny it" is just ludicrous. Innocent people would obviously deny theft too. Bc they're innocent. How... how else should they respond?
I agree. Should they say they did it although they didn't? I know that there are some people who would maybe say sorry just to avoid the pressure, but that's not exactly how it should be.
Tbh Starlily using language like "low vibration energy" to justify bullying behavior is the only red flag I need to understand everything going on here👀👀😂
I had this on in the background while cooking and "I don't even have time to respond to that lower vibrational energy" when I'd just heard half an hour of starlily responding very intensely...was a dangerous moment to be chopping veg for sure
I am 72 and started crocheting at 10 years old (1961) and have seen this style vest (both spider web and hippie/Native American influenced in magazines and crochet books over the years. Wtf
Me too!! And think I made several variations of it back in the 70’s ..looking at the picture, making them, and wearing them to numerous ‘parties’ and events 😉That’s the joy of ‘creating’.
I'm 30 and I just learned to crochet from my grandma. Thank you for carrying the craft. I'm sure you've shared it with other people and/or made some great creations for others and yourself. Props to you and take care. Sending you a big hug!
A few months ago someone tried claiming crochet cows. They made rounds in the FB groups, she even had her friends join the groups to leave comments on posts of crochet cows
It's all insane my grandma taught me to knit and shes been dead long before these people were even born. She could crochet anything and everything, i remember a few spider web designs. One of the first comments mentioned there is nothing new under the sun. Its Made up drama for attention pure and simple
That pattern is probably ripped off from the 60's anyhow. I don't know why these gens think they created something completely and utterly new without any inspiration from the past. Ridiculous 🙄
As someone who has worked at a yarn store for the past 7 years - I have seen endless iterations of the spiderweb vest pattern. Can you imagine if someone started claiming they own the rights to granny squares or triangle shaped shawls?? 🙄 Ridiculous. I will be sharing this drama with the girls at work though haha
Right! i’ve been seeing this ‘design’ for yearsssss! There are free tutorials for this style vest and for spider webs off all kinds! Can you imagine if someone tried to call a granny square “theirs”! help us all if a dyer decides that they ‘create’ a particular ‘blue’ tone yarn… no one will ever be able to have blue again ~ indigo be darned!💙
I was so worried Cosmic Crocheter was going to apologise but I absolutely love her attitude. She didn't back down to Jen's absolutely insane ramblings, presented herself calmly and absolutely made it clear Jen is in the wrong. Absolutely more power to her. This Jen gives off very mean girl vibes but hides it all behind her spirituality and hippie look and of course her fans who she is absolutely using to try and bully Cosmic Crocheter. Yes she never told her fans to but she is praising them for defending her. Absolute cult leader vibes
Yes exactly this! I have seen other people like this too where they claim they are just a happy hippie but every other thing they say/post is just rude/toxic
@@sammsspace6888She's a performative "peace and love" girlie. It's all an act but she can't help but let that mean girl bully personality come out under the guise of "defending herself". Perfect example of why you can't judge a book by its boho cover!
@@sammsspace6888 hippie and new age spirituality are absolutely a facade for toxicity, as soon as I saw that was the vibe Jen had I already had alarm bells ringing in my head
Totally agree with this. She reeks of entitlement and seems determined to manipulate others to get what she wants. Claiming she ought to be credited for a design that she openly admits to taking from someone else (although, in reality, it is years older - almost certainly older than she is) is bad enough, but the "I'm here in the trenches" comment really riled me. You're not in WWI, you're not in Ukraine, you're not fighting for your survival - you're at a festival, a leisure event, that other people pay to merely visit! I would give her credit that these things can be long days and hard work, but clearly not for her if she has the time to spend all day repeatedly posting on social media, like some sort of obsessive ex, attacking a creator with a smaller platform, who posed no threat to her (far smaller following, different design, etc). The sheer volume of the attacks is unwarranted and really quite concerning. She's a nasty piece of work, isn't she? Less "loving and peaceful hippy" and more "mean girl looking for someone to bully, then gaslight everyone into thinking she's the victim". Maybe the other festival goers feel the same way, which is why she has no customers and so much time to make all these posts... 🤔
THATS LITERALLY IT!! A big creator once put me on blast on their story about something I never said and when I wrote long-ass parapgraphs explaining the context/intent and what not, people just.....didn't read it???
Man me and my heightened sense of justice just keeps doing that all the time- at least, not wanting to read a long response is a good sign of someone who doesn't care to have a respectful, productive conversation! Reliable red flag I guess?
My grandmother crocheted more or less the same vest for my vampire Halloween costumes in 1996. I hope Starlily never hears about it or she'll accuse her of stealing from her. She sounds so much like a cult leader with the love-bombing of her fans, the "tight-knit group", the "if you aren't with me you are my enemy" mentality and her whole LoWeR VibRatiONNal EnErgY new-age bullcrap
i always love watching drama/tea videos but often they are about things i don't even know about. as an artist and crafter it's so much more interesting to watch drama videos about these communities haha!! i really love these videos!!
It was such a red flag and trigger when Starlily said, “I swear, like, I’m not a mean person.” - I’ve never met a genuinely kind person who has to state they are not mean. I have only ever heard this line from mean people.
i laughed when i saw that the most abusive entiteled violent asshole i’ve ever had the displeasure to meet had ‘Kind❤️’ in their bio on insta just the most ironic thing. she had always been such a fake ass person. wanting to be seen as really the nicest most fun and sweet person when people who know her knows otherwise. i guess the selfish kind of people have to convince people of their niceness with their words because they know their actions will not
its odd to me that the person who steals her personality from other cultures would get so bent out of shape about someone creating a fairly generic Halloween pattern
Honestly bo-ho type chicks are always super sus to me. I mean the majority of hippies of the counter cultural movement of yore are now the innovation smashing capitalists of today.
I was looking to see if anyone posted a comment like this. It's entitlement all the way down. Feeling entitled to other cultural aesthetics leads into feeling like anything you happen to do is exclusively owned by you
right, and then it went from copying the pattern exactly to copying based on photos of the vest lol... how would she able to even get exactly the same as the pattern if she based it on the photo from her own logic
@@_fleurAs a punk, this behavior is rampant in the punk community, it just takes the form of racism and misogyny instead of mean girl cliques. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE punk culture and there are so many great people here, but the problem with any community is that people adopt the aesthetics of the community to give themselves the appearance of being what they want to be (in the case of punks, a lot of them love the aesthetic of rebellion without wanting to actually examine their own biases and bigotry that leads to the oppression they claim to rebel against, and in the case of hippies and this sort of boho chick vibe they want the appearance of being “kind, community based, free spirited” without actually taking the steps to become more mature) Any community is prone to this sort of behavior, and idolizing any community as being “above it” ignores the root of the issue: No aesthetic or fashion style or belief system or ingroup or community will make you a good person if you’re not willing to work to become a good person.
@@neonradius i genuinely think punk culture has been gentrified. i agree with you 100% about people who love the punk aesthetic without looking into their own privileges as well. ive also met people who say theyre punk and yet are complacent with government institutions and law enforcement. you cant rage against the machine when you are part of the machine.
Correct me if I’m wrong but, starlily creates a design that is loosely inspired by another fiber artist’s vest, yet is mad at another person for “copying” her design without having any proof? Girl your own design isn’t fully original, how’re you gonna get mad at someone for supposedly copying you?? The sheer audacity some people have.
@@Sleipnirseight literally! and by the looks of it, CC seems genuine. someone who has been crocheting for years is very much capable of making their own designs and suggesting that they copied something that isn’t even super unique is absurd.
@raindropfairy I know!! like you said, you don’t need to announce you’re a good person, it just shows. it’s always the people who swearrr they’re the nicest that are the most insensitive unfortunately
She's absolutely a bully. Pretending that she is innocent when she uses the word "thief" constantly and eggs on her followers makes it clear that she is THE mean girl. She's the one who keeps talking about this while the other woman hasn't said anything rude once. This is like a high school fight about "she copied my outfit" with only one person being mad. Why can't she understand that she is not the first nor only person to create a design like this? Unfortunate.
I actually find this funny because these patterns have been around for decades. I was able to go through some books that belonged to my mother from the 1970s and found the mandala spider web vest.
She probably just mad cause she was probably the only other one selling anything like what she makes, that SHE has seen, these designs might have been where her popularity spiked, and she now thinks she has competition with this person. She thought she was unique and now she aint. I am sure she also got the idea from books from her mothers era. It looked like those hippy vests to me that was around when my mom was little. she knows she didn't invent them i am sure of it, she's just salty. That said drama in crochet? i never would have thought. lol
I've been crocheting for about 20 years and I promise, patterns go back longer than I've been alive. Other than changing maybe a few stitches or the length or color, there really aren't any new patterns. Also there aren't new stitches 😂
literally went like S: "YOU *STOLE* MY DESIGN!!!" CC: "Ummmm....no? I literally didn't?" S: "YES YOU DID!" CC: "Calm down." S: "YOU DID!" CC: "..." S: "YOU DIIIID! YOU DID! YOU DID!!!" S: "OMG YOU LITERALLY DID!" S: "YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID" S: "WHY ARE YOU BULLYING ME!!!???!?!?!??111??" S: "oh my god guys it's been so hard taking the higher ground and not talking about this! I'm so mature uwu" S: "YOOOOOOOOOUUUUU DIIIIIIIIIIDDDD!!!!!!!" CC: ".....Can I go now?"
omg cosmic crocheter is based. love their responses. starlily sounds like a brat. and immature . she was happy her followers were attacking cosmic. just so wrong and not in the spirit of crochet
absolutely, she was clear and conscise with her replies too, she never engaged in petty jabs or personal attacks, but also did not allow starlily to bully them for something that was absolutely not their fault!
Starlily doesn't want followers, she wants a 100% Yes, Starlily cult, judging by how she responded to what I thought was a very diplomatic follower's reply, with "Defending a thief isn't cute", and in another later post, she basically said that any follower that didn't agree with her/that her pattern had been stolen, should just remove themselves.
The way she (Starlily) just kept posting and posting and posting is very telling lol like move on please, she obviously is doing fine with her crochet business so why even bother with all of this
Starlily: i didnt send anyone to bully her Also Starlily: uwu guys thanks for sticking up for me im just a widdle working goddess in this mean ol world .. 🥺 She absolutely *did* send them by thanking them repeatedly and mentioning it constantly. "So many people are calling her out" it backed up her statement and made it valid. Acting like this was other artists or creators calling her out when it was literally just her fans.. She *did* send them, and made sure they kept going.
And basically saying in her comment it's not my fault my fans love me and defend me. She knew what she was doing when she made her posts. She knew they would go after cosmic.
@@bethannew9207 absolutely!! It drives me crazy when creators act that way, there's a "drama" I'm watching at the moment where one creator is doing the "SO many people pointed this out to me...." when noone did, YOU pointed it out now your fans are repeating it back to you cos they know that's what you wanna hear 🤦
Yes, you're so right. And her saying, "if so many of my followers think it's stolen, then it has to be!" No. It doesn't. Just because her followers agree with her doesn't mean that she is right.
Oh ffs! The Janis Joplin knockoff needs to sit down already because she’s just embarrassing herself. I made these vests in the mid-70s for myself and my girlfriends, and they were already going out of style then. I knew them as “fringe vests.” I learned how to make them from my grandmother, who started crocheting sometime in the 1930s!
Your grandmother and my mother were age peers. After she passed, I ended up with my mother’s “10 cent books” (copyrights anywhere from late 1940’s-1950’s). I found and made a doily from one of these books that was exactly like the vest spiderweb. I used the actual 1940’s-era directions. I was born in 1954. So this design was made fore I was born.
Are StarLily's followers *NOT* fiber artists? Because those tops CLEARLY are *NOT* the same. The icing on that cake is all the people saying how much better/prettier/MORE DETAILED StarLily's variation on the Fae vest is...🤦🏻♀️ Like, Sis - you're literally proving CC's point....
I am not any type of fiber artist. This channel was recommended and I'm hooked 😄. Even I was like 🤔🤔 those look quite different. Spiderweb seems Iike something many people would be inspired by and with knowledge easily figure out how to incorporate it into a piece.
Yeah I'm genuinely baffled how this is a controversy in the first place, aside from both being "festival vests" the patterns look literally nothing alike.
I feel like grannies all over the world would be baffled by the concept of "owning and copying designs." It comes off as self-obsessed. BTW, my nan wants credit for that cardigan.
For someone who is unbothered and doesn’t have time for drama, starlily sure does have a lot of time to be a mean girl online. If you are confident in your designs and your business, you have no reason to be this pressed about a similar design by a small creator. Going so far as to make a story highlight drawing attention to the situation? That uncovers everything about her personality that I need to know, and I am not impressed.
she posted a screenshot of her and a follower praising her for being quiet on a public story. may as well have said "im the most humble person in the world"
also she kept saying cosmic was being mean when cosmic was never mean at all just defending themselves and explaining. i thought they were quite eloquent and based. it was clear their feelings were hurt but their words did not have malice in them
@@QUEERVEEART Saying cosmic was being mean seems to make her think that gives her the go ahead to be mean back.. Kinda like justification for the dog piling and continuing to go on and on about having a design stolen (that has been around for ages) so her followers can continue to attack the other creator. It's also telling that she pushes out her own followers for daring to say that she should stop and maybe chill a little.
The second she starts talking about “vibrational energy” told me all I need to know. This woman is a perpetual victim and refuses to accept any criticism or responsibility because it’s just easier to label it as “negativity” and continue living in her hug box of supporters. I feel terribly for the other smaller creator who did nothing wrong and is now being harassed by this “goddess” and her brainless followers.
god i am so not surprised that starlily is one of those woowoo good vibes only pseudooccult girlies . that whole subculture always gave me “mean girl using their✨spirituality✨as a shield for cruel behavior . like the nurses of the art world
I don't want to sound extremely elitist but these types of dramas seem really indicative of people that haven't engaged much in like the culture of fine art ( which has pleanty of its own issues I know). I went to art school and something that was really hammered into us freshman year was to not to accuse fellow classmates of copying you because 99% of the time it would make you look uninformed and immature. Everyone gets inspiration and steals from one another if you think anything you're doing is original or unique than you're just sticking your head into the sand. Whenever something like this came up in critiques most people would visibly cringe and it was usually the most unskilled conceded people making the accusation.
Absolutely right. I've seen so many people who agonise over people copying their "stuff", when their "stuff" is often the only reasonably good work they managed to produce in their final year at college. A few years out of college, and they haven't created anything new so they lash out. The meltdown is predictable.
Yep, while the mediums of drawing allow more room for creativity and an almost infinite number of potential designs, coincidence is much harder. But crochet has a much more limited scope of potential designs, so it's silly to say someone is copying you when coincidence is much higher.
Creative people also seem to grow into a creative persona. Maybe social media platforms will always spawn a lot of mean girls. "The medium is the message". It's interesting how many of these tantrums are directed from platforms that are perceived as cool, towards users on platforms that move at a completely different pace.
I really hope starlily never steps foot on Pinterest, otherwise she'll have a stroke when she sees how many people have been crocheting those for years. Like, I'm POSITIVE I've seen spiderweb backed crochet vests while just randomly scrolling, it's a pretty simple idea to think of?
Your use of the word 'cringe' is cringe, are you a time traveller from 2016 dearie? The word has become so intertwined with being used as an excuse to harass that I think you shouldn't use it if you want to be taken seriously at all.
@poppythedogofwonders The nerve to shit on the word "cringe", which has not ever fallen out of completely normal use btw. To then not even think twice about calling someone "dearie". 😭
@@poppythedogofwonderslook as against cringe culture as i am calling something like this cringe is completely justified, plus the word is pretty versatile
I swear, every time I see a “so and so is copying meeeee” drama in the creative subsections of the internet, it’s always someone who is just so convinced that they’re more creative and unique than they actually are.
a lot of it's is projection....cause it's usually them copying from other artists. I was at the receiving end of someone trying to blast me for copying an so-called "original design" that's been in the jewelry game for DECADES. Literally the most baseline jewelry technique. The gag was this person is known for stealing from other small/independent artists and it back-fired on them. I was honestly shocked the amount of support i received cause nobody came to their defense so that was nice 🥰
This isn't about Starlily feeling betrayed or wounded by being "copied." This is about being pissed that someone out there is showing how to make something "similar" without her making money off it. She essentially wants a copyright on a pattern that she took and altered from someone else. She supposedly is planning to release her own pattern (paid access,) has more tutorials/patterns on patreon (paid access,) and sells physical pieces (obv paid.) She has her (presumably commando) panties in a twist because she thought she'd be losing out on a teeny fraction of business. Or even worse, she's bringing drama to get more eyes on her and more sales to "support the OG creator" because goddesses support goddesses...monetarily.
"I don't have time for these trolls but I'm gonna spend a ton of time talking about how little time I have to respond to them" lol like it's SO embarrassing
Ok so I work part-time at festivals too and its always the down to earth "spiritual" hippie ladies that are the biggest drama queens lmao. Honestly, there's only so much you can do with yarn and the way YOU present yourself and how your patterns are written matters so much for return customers. Starlily isn't a small creator, she could just have the confidence that her followers/customers would want to have her pattern, instead she tried to make herself a victim and bullied someone over petty drama.
How does she even get time to make the stuff she sells? Between her crap on social media and all the festivals she works so hard at, how are there enough hours in the day to make the stuff herself?
It's so so so so true. It's always the people who feel the need to label themselves as higher energy or peaceful souls that raise the most hell over tiny issues.
I work festivals too (make jewelry and crochet items) and it's always 100% of the time the "high vibe hippie" chicks with the absolute most useless drama
As a crocheter, I saw the photos you showed and they are absolutely NOT the same. Similar, sure, but they are different. The way some designers go after smaller creators assuming similarity means "stolen" makes me block them in all the ways I can. Yuck.
@@fizzknit9446 I find them to be extremely similar. They drape the same way, aside from the spider web, even the rest is the same. They both posted one in white, I can barely tell the difference
@@nodiggity8746the thing is that a vest with a spiderweb on it has been done for decades and neither of them own a fucking vest with a spiderweb on it. It's a vest and a spiderweb. It's been done.
Btw: that vest is not even the ´fae vest’ from Forever Wandering - it’s been around since the 60’s or 70’s - it’s basically a huge doily with arm holes and buttons in the front to hold it closed. There have been a thousand different iterations of it. This is why I don’t even want to post anything I make or share my patterns Bc someone is bound to say « A DOILY?! How dare you not credit ME?! It’s MY DESIGN! » or « I see you use double crochet for a V-shaped scarf. You clearly copied that from ‘OG creator’ » - or worse - to take a design that I offered freely, change one row of stitches and claim I plagiarized it right before they post it on their own to be even sneakier about -stealing what was free- gatekeeping things, like this piece of work in the video ☝️) I’ve even seen this with individual stitches like the crocodile stitch which became the dragon and people are charging for (it was in a crafts book way back from the 70’s that my mom had but y’know someone thinks they invented it....) etc etc
Yes- I'm over 60, and I immediately recognized the vest as a 60s/70s pattern. And it didn't take me much longer to recognize star lily as a narcissist and a grifter.
I feel you about not wanting to show anything you’ve made due to stuff like this. I used to post to DeadJournal (the emo/edgy version of LiveJournal back in the 2000s lol), and was apart of the sewing community there. It was fun, everyone just trying their hardest to genuinely help one another be better at their hobby, never any stress of being told you’re “stealing” simple designs. That’s not to say drama never happened as it did, but it was largely drowned out as these types of behaviors online used to be frowned upon as being extremely embarrassing by every community - can we please go back to _that_ ? lol Ever since the rise of social media and influencers (when monetization started becoming a huge driving factor in driving others to their website/blog/store through followers), it has brought out the worst out in people. More and more becoming entitled to lay claim over simple patterns because they added a design to it, acting like it’s the end of the world that someone could ever make something similar. I’ve wanted to be apart of the more modern sewing communities for a while now online, and I know there are some amazing people out there that genuinely does try to steer clear from these types of behaviors, but the amount of toxic mindsets are just too much. Way too many are ready to jump at another’s throat over “stealing” ideas and patterns that have been around for decades and decades. Just don’t want to deal with the hoards of fans of a number of creators that are way too eager to seek out this type of stuff, intentionally searching for ways to bring attention to their favorite creator that someone “stole” something of “theirs” ... Those massively inflated egos only push the genuinely good people away. Fans going beyond just admiring someone’s work that are ready to pounce and attack anyone for them … It shouldn’t be like this. 😕
Unless someone is a time traveler, that vest Motif - whether called a fey vest or spider web or mandala- has been around since thread was invented. Museums are full of it. Even my 86 year old mom was making things like this in the 60s & 70s. So was designer Ian Spurling in 1973 whose dress can be seen at the V&A online collection. So much sound & fury . . .
The fact that Starlily called herself a goddess says it all. I mean really, what could be the odds of two people on this planet having the same idea at the same time and not copy each other? Preposterous right? It is amazing that a hippie wannabe using Native American culture as inspiration can beat up a tiny creator. I think she was just basking in the attention. Great video! Thanks for informing us! I love what i could see of the sweater you are wearing.
that's what I thought as well! I practice witchcraft, and in my community all this hippie new age stuff is looked at really badly for being 80% cultural appropriation and 20% a slippery slope to the far right. as soon as she started spewing the new age spirituality bullshit I was physically cringing, hard pass on this woman
You’re spot on. Those are some of the most annoying ((white!)) people because they use all this pretentious co-opted positive language but it’s usually just to be manipulative bc they’re ridiculously entitled and toxic
@@m00nj3llyfxsh yeah, it always gives me the ick. I have seen few that weren't already on the far right pipeline, or thinly veiled bigots. Not to mention having to reinstruct my friends that are new to the path away from harmful practices they read some neo-hippie new ager who doesn't understand the culture around witchcraft and paganism beyond just surface level.
yeah the overall silhouette of the vest is really basic and it's matched with an extremely popular theme. I feel like anyone could come up with this design and accusing someone of copying it is ridiculous
This is a really good point. A common theme in all these "you stole my design !!11!!!" dramas is that the design has often been around since before the drama participants were born.
Yes..this style, and its many variations, were very very popular in the late 60's and early 70's. It was fairly quick and was an easy way to use up extra odds and ends of yarn. I personally made quite a few. Ribbon fringe was popular.
Wait, did i hear correct that Starlily accused Cosmic Crocheter of copying a vest that she didn't post the tutorial for yet? How can you steal something not published yet?
I believe starlily’s patreons had early access or had at least seen previews so she thought cosmic crocheter had seen it and released her version … which is a wild and easily fact checkable accusation to make
I think it's hysterical that Starlily seems to think it's fine if she gets inspired by someone elses pattern (The ENTIRE FAE VEST) and changes it and calls it her own, but if someone else appears to take something of hers as inspiration and changes it (those webs don't look the same at all...) THEY aren't allowed to claim it, nope, not at all!
true and her reaction seems so frustrating, she's ignoring the other creator explaining herself and handles it so condescendingly, my anger management issues could not
tbh starlily falls in line with a pattern i've seen of people who are all about "goddess energy" and "positivity" and "vibing with the universe" actually just being awful, nasty ppl lmao i have a decent number of friends who go to raves and dear god the amount of pettiness and drama i hear about second-hand lmao
I've noticed that when people like starlily say they're "aligned with the universe" or similar, it either comes from or becomes a sense of "I am aligned with the universe so I can't be wrong, that would mean the universe being wrong" Any perceived slight against them is seen as the slight-er being "unaligned from the universe" or having "bad vibes" because they've associated their sense of self so strongly with "good vibes" that the two concepts are muddled together (apologies if this is worded badly, I've not put this thought/observation into words before)
She legit has " Goddess energy" All over her account.... And started posting extra hard about " goddess energy" When ppl were calling her out for being a bully..
Honestly, this just made me want to buy from Cosmic Creations instead. Goth is my aesthetic too and the vest is just my style. And she's local. It'll be cool to support a fellow goth artist.
I have been at the receiving end of the "you copied me" claim. I tested a pattern for a dragon. After I finished the test, I leveled up the pattern, improving the legs and body shaping. I was told I could not do that. I must use the pattern exactly as it was written. So I ditched her pattern and made up my own. Head shaping was different, body-shaping was different, wings were different, legs were different, tail was different. I wasn't selling the pattern, just the finished items. I got a nasty message accusing me of stealing and back-stabbing, saying she was going to report me and shut down my shop. I explained that since I wasn't allowed to change anything in her pattern, I made my own from scratch. She kept up with "you copied me!" So i sent her Ravelry links for dragons dating back a few years... all of which looked a little like hers, a little like mine.... because they were all dragons. She blocked me on social media, so I don't know if she blasted me in her groups. I've published dozens of patterns since then, and thankfully I haven't been accused of pattern theft.
@@SanktaLo which one? Hers? Nope, tossed it in the trash. Mine, yes. I have it in typed form with lots of scribbled notes. I haven't made it in a while... I like the cute little chubby dragons better.
@@SanktaLo Right now I'm in full-scale craft show mode... 7 shows between tomorrow and 11/11, with only 10/14 off! Once the shows are over, I hope to get more computer work done, publishing patterns and updating my Etsy shop.
Yes absolutely. I love wreath making on a small scale but I am scared to make the next step and make online content out of it because I keep seeing this type of drama in the creator world
I've been thinking of publishing amigurumi patterns for awhile and asked a group that I've been actively contributing to for advice. I immediately took the post down when the first comment was that I hadn't been putting up my own work already when there is a rule limiting self-promotion to get specific circumstances! That kind of thing is why I'm terrified to break out of my little worsted weight shell.
@@kristenhanisch8508was it r/crochet? I hate posting their because of all the ridiculous rules, and yea basically anything that mentions sales gets pulled for ‘self promotion’ even if you never mention your shop. I hope you got some advice though and do post your stuff
@@spencerwagner903 Yeah, I pulled it myself before getting advice because the one response really got me down. I've been going through a lot of personal stuff and depression and anxiety, so I just couldn't stand feeling judged like that. I still would like to try it at some point, but it'll take time before I have anything ready for testing anyway. Edit to add: it seems every time I put up a post on Reddit in general I either don't get the information I'm looking for or it gets taken off even though I'm trying to follow the rules. So at this point I only respond to other people's posts to give encouragement and advice anyway.
Holy hell but Starlily is insufferable. Many of us are creatives and while stealing is indeed a big problem, this is not. Everyone who isn't blinded by their love of Starlily is being completely turned off by her acting like this. So incredibly entitled and not even realising that what she's calling theft from Cosmic is the exact same thing she did with the pattern from Wanderer.
@@solidflyer286Even written patterns aren't copyrightable like that in the US (same with recipes, math, and other things that are just a basic list of instructions). The actual format of the instructions might be copyrightable if you make a video with explanation or if you write the instructions in the form of a poem or something, but even then someone can re-write the same instructions into a different format or make their own video or whatever and that's OK.
@@kray3883 you’re right - I should have been specific sorry. It’s the exact wording that’s copyright. So saying “I like to do three double crochets then add a single and a treble” is copyrighted but someone can easily rewrite that in their own words.
@@solidflyer286 No, even the exact wording isn't copyright, as long as as it's just a plain way of giving directions. Your example is probably _not_ copyrightable unless it contains "a substantial literary expression" besides the directions.
@@kray3883 I like to have a cup of tea before I do the first very care double crochet and then smoothly slip into the next stitch to do a single crochet and wrap that yarn tight ladies because it’s on to a yarn over 😂
I love that this is happening online when a lot of the videos were shot at what looks to be the Renaissance festival where you could be at a booth see something you like and then 10 booths down see the exact same products just being sold by different companies or people
I've seen 40 years olds call the cops or try doxxing people writing fan fiction similar to their fan fiction . Some people never aged past a teen's mentality
I've seen 40 years olds call the cops or try doxxing people writing fan fiction similar to their fan fiction . Some people never aged past a teen's mentality
This is why I legit left the whole crochet community. Deleted my insta and closed my shop. Some of those folks are a little out of control with "omg, you stole from me." Like... yo, you didn't invent rainbows 😏
Why are the copying accusations over the most basic bitch patterns? Im a digital artist and I'm always seeing super basic designs being "called out". Sorry, but brown and blue wolfdogs are severely common lmao
It's ALWAYS over basic AF stuff. "HEY! They copied my hexagon cardigan!" Or "Isn't is sus how THEIR 4-Square pullover looks eXaCtLy like *MY* 4-Square pullover?!1¿!?!eleventy!!111?! 🤔" Like...just go make some more items & keep your trap shut, ffs.
I honestly think it's because the more unique and intricate the design, the less people can claim it looks like theirs, so they always get stuck on gatekeeping basic ones. Also, there's been a pattern emerging where crafters who are more focused on online fame and clout are the ones who are so quick to cry plagiarism against crafters who are more invested in the craft itself. 😂
Or when you " steal " a character pose or a landscape perspective. Almost everyone of these DIYers misuse the copyright law while usually commiting copyright themselves especially those that do fanart of the big corporations, Pokémon is a big one that I know of that so many people claim as their "art" and "image" to sell.
@@Panda-od9uj Nah, that one depends, if they made actual art of it I do think they have a right to sell it as they did indeed make a product of their own even if it's using someone else's image as a base.
As an indigenous person, thank you sm for that mention of cultural appropritation / insensitivity at the basis of starlilys aesthetics. That kind of acknowledgement means a lot to Indig artists like me!
starlily's white woman spiritual bypassing energy is sendingggg me "when u r a goddess and u want to lift other artists up you dont rip people off you literally like want to support one another" also why does she keep talking ab how hard it is for her to work festivals that is irrelevant to the "issue" shes tryna talk about
it's cause she sucks and she is trying to manipulate people into feeling bad for her like wow she's working so hard and someone has the audacity to steal from her?! that's the reaction she wants. but she lyin . about the stealing. i'm sure festivals are actually hard to work but there's absolutely no reason to bring it up in this situation except for sympathy points
i think there was a much better way to solve this - designs tend to be similar - over hundreds years of crocheting there is a limit to innovation we can bring. The way Starlily handled this PR-wise and personality-wise was HORRID. To be so stuck up while your design isn't even original, and to attack and put a much smaller creator while saying "i helped so many small accounts grow"????? Girl??? Should I call out every creator who makes crocheted mittens simply because i make mittens?
the thing that gets me the most about this is that it isn't starlily's design in the first place. like the base isnt your pattern why are you so pressed. its also ridiculous that people who have the ability to free hand a design have to tag every single person who may have put out a pattern. like spiderweb crochet motifs are incredibly popular, the chances of two people making a circle vest with one in the middle/back of the vest is likely to happen. like this whole situation is giving a child crying over spilled milk, its not that deep i promise.
and to be honest, it takes like two minutes to go online and see that a spider web vest, slightly different, is a very popular pattern that sells since the 70's, with another similar vest selling since the 1930!!. And then to have the confidence to try to ruin someones life for the sake of a pattern that is not even yours 🤦♀girl the crazyness is real
@mariapaz6379 exactly!! And the headhardeness of her being like NO SHE STOLE FROM *ME* is so incredible to me; it feels like she locked herself in a bubble filled with people who only say yes to anything she says... I hope she will wake up one day because her work looks really fun and I would love to support her, but I can't bring myself to do it when I know how she treats others:(
@@mariapaz6379thank you! 1 million times this! It looks like a flapper vest. It looks like a peace and love hippy vest. It looks like an 80s kid vest. It isn't even vaguely original. I'm surprised there aren't MORE people putting out basically the same thing this time of year. Her complaining sounds sophomoric--she knows enough to make the thing, but not enough to know that other people could do and have done the same, even though SHE got the idea from someone else.
@@Yeehaw0588Absolutely do not throw out your clothes, wear what brings you joy and be respectful of the cultures that develop them. Can’t speak for everyone but as a Romani person I have no problem with it at all.
@@ryantobefunny9587 I'm just tired of being associated with the culturally appropriating hippies and bohemians and I really don't want to offend anybody, I just wish they would explain things to me instead of attacking me while I'm clueless
@@Yeehaw0588Hey, I mean this in the kindest way possible - but you need to concider that everyone leads lives just as complex as yours. Those people you want explanations from probably had to explain it thousands of times already, and even here you are asking a stranger who just left a comment to do that work for you. People have explained the issues with appropriation many many times before! A lot of those explanations are freely available online. Look into them & read a variety & don‘t just take the ones that agree with you to heart :)
In the Universe I’m from, fashion designs/ pattern were NOT COPYRIGHTED and ANYONE can pick apart a garment and sew their own. There was NO SUCH THING as holding a patent for a pattern. I can’t follow patterns. I am a free form crocheter. I have the most disgusting taste in my mouth after the StarLily child started this drama. Grow up, Girl! Nothing new under the sun!
Actually (sorry), patterns can be copyrighted. Alias the thing you buy and use to make the garment. And by that I mean either the paper thing or the PDF you print out. The actual cut pieces of clothing, yeah good luck with that. Not even big fashion brands with billions to their name get to copyright the actual clothes. Just the logos or printed art designs. Which I think is one of the reasons logos are so in fashion for such a long time since you aren't allowed to copy them.
@@ateisate7270 when my mother worked for all THE BIGGEST PATTERN companies in the world, she could copyright her artwork, drawings of the patterns, but the actual patterns could NOT be copyrighted and a crocheted piece would get nowhere NEAR copyright status/ actually held up in court. It’s called, sculpting with string.
I made a spiderweb vest like this back in like 2005 based off of a pattern I bought in a small shop. It is so wild to me when people try to claim this is an original idea and no one else can make a pattern similar. These have been around I'm sure a lot longer than I was conscious of it.
YES! omg i was thinking the same thing!! Thats just a spiderweb doily with larger gauge yarn and chains for arm holes like what is she talking about "original" ? 😆
@@vV_Strixhaven_Sophmore_Vv You are so right! I didn't even think about it being a spider web doily. I have one from the 80s my grandma made. I'm even less impressed with the "original" vest than I was before!
Starlily is the most agitating creator in this sphere. She complains non-stop (despite being a massive bully) and then says she's "staying silent". Not only is she in the wrong for claiming she "owns" a common design and accuse a small creator over a common design publicly, she attacks said creator with her fan base and appropriates native culture
As a native person who hopes to one day sell her art, I feel so disgusted by people who can just nonchalantly appropriate something without giving it any second thought or regard. I'm plains Cree, and we aren't the same as Sioux or Blackfoot, so I'm not just gonna start making "native inspired" art, as if we are all some conglomerate, and not even look into or research the history behind that type of art. At the very least, I would attend some sort of cultural event from those other tribes to learn some things, but I'm not gonna take those ideas and then profit off of it, when there are plenty of native artists that ARE from that specific tribe that are the ones who should profit.
I grew up in the festival scene. I cannot tell you how many people I've met who are just like Starlilly. They're mean girls who hide behind "authentisity", "transparency ", and have s high spiritual vibration. They always accuse others of what they're doing, just so they can play the victim and feel better about themselves 😒
Not in the community enough to know either party but I DO recognize the red flags of self-absorbed bad behavior when I see it. 😬 Just yikes how did Starlily find the nerve to go around accusing someone of 'stealing' a pattern they made almost completely based off of SOMEONE ELSE'S work??
"collaboration over competition!" Proceeds to try to compete with a creator whose following is a FRACTION of their own. Girl why do you feel SO threatened by someone with a following of less than 300 when you have 6 figures??? This is ridiculous 😂
Starlily honestly seems like an unbearable, exhausting person to deal with. Yikes. If I were to sit down and design a mandala vest right now there is a strong chance it would resemble at least one other design. It's a small coincidence and it happens. I feel for Cosmic Creations having to deal with this while trying to launch their business.
I have no doubt that she “stole” many patterns without “giving credit.” There’s rarely a pattern that is absolutely special and can be linked back to one person. Her vest is very basic level, I’ve seen so many of these things. They’re not even that cute to have all this drama over. Tired of these “hippie boho” white women claiming theft. Do they even realize what cultures they are using for their aesthetic? Do they not understand appropriating vs appreciating? I’m not saying you can’t wear hippie clothes. I’m a hippie (I mostly wear ‘70s and ‘60s clothes), but you better be aware of the history.
yeah a lot of these "boho" women steal their shit directly from roma culture and indian culture and then go around claiming roma people are disgusting, thieves, etc. and its so horrible honestly@@antisocialal4799
After this she's been posting how many of her buyers " survived cancer" or some other tragic story and now her followers are back to " omg I love you so much!! I knew you weren't a bad person!!" Like gag me with a spoon 🙃
My favorite part is her repeated “just because I have thousands and millions and billions of followers and I’m so popular and beloved doesn’t mean the little people can’t hurt me.”
It feels like a theme of these videos people get into hobbies or hobby businesses without understanding or learning anything about the history of the art form they are partaking in. It's so wild. These videos always feel like someone is trying to be a choreographer and they are maintaining that they invented the plié, but they call it "bendy legs" instead. Edit SHE CAME FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WENT TO DESIGN SCHOOL 😆☠️⚰️💀
"Lower vibrational energy" "When you are a goddess" "And it's like, and like, I'm like" 😭 Talking like this while being such a mean girl is so funny to me. For one, I'm shocked that people talk like this in real life unironically, but to spout all that while attacking another person feels so off. She looks far too old to act like this.
My grandma had crocheted these spider vests for me and my sisters when we were still little and I am now 65 years old! Would she say my grandma stole her design too? My grandma died in the mid 1990s. Lol!
I’ve been crocheting for a few years and it became my life hobby. Would never believe that some day I would be watching crochet drama videos, but I’m SO invested! I thought to share a video idea with you. It’s crazy how many items get copied by Shein/Cider from small crocheters and knitters and I would love to watch a video about their stories. It’s interesting to know if they filed any lawsuits and won them, or just in general what did they do in situations like this.
Shein is in the middle of a lawsuit rn for RICO violations! I’ll def talk about it more as the case (hopefully) progresses. That’s the real copying drama as far as I’m concerned. They can’t keep getting away with this !!!!
Small creators steal from big brands all the time. They just don’t like it when it’s done to them. If some can’t steal then nobody should be allowed to steal.
@@SocialExperiment232That’s stupid. Big brands are supposed to contact smaller creators for the copyright of their designs. Because they’re big professional brands that make more money then smaller creators ever do. And big brands expect to be copied and don’t lose enough money to sue people who do this. Get that boot out of your mouth. And learn shit about business models.
Thieves are usually the most likely to accuse others of theft. You see others as you are, not necessarily as they are. Starlily has only proven herself to be an insecure and petty person in this situation. Hope she learns, from my personal experience people like her never do
If I were forever wandering, I would tell star lily to stop talking about me already, it's almost starting to feel like she's trying to drag the supposedly original creator of her 'stolen' pastiche pattern down with her in this...
Hearing you say "when you're a goddess..." in her exact tone of voice just sent me into a fit of laughter 😂I've never seen a creator do a voiceover like that and I thoroughly enjoyed it❤
my hands-down fave niche is people online in drama posting story after story after story which all start with “i don’t have time for…” while simultaneously proving they have all the time for the dramatic 😂
I do think that Starlily totally over reacted. Like many have said, that style of crochet vest/jacket has been around the block for quite some time. I also get supper annoyed at pattern designers that will post blurbs on their sales sites that purchasers of the patterns cannot sell the finished items they've made, or can only sell "x" number of finished items made. Like, that's not how selling patterns works. At all. If I purchase a clothing pattern at a store, and I sew up as many of each of the sizes I wanted to and sold them, then I absolute can do that. I paid money for the pattern and I put in the labor to make the completed item. Of course I get to sell it if I want. Sheesh.
YES!! Call out the white hippy ladies appropriating Native culture, calling it “Festival wear” or “Bohemian” and then going off on someone copying THEM. 😂 That was the cherry on the sundae for me, babes. So glad I found this channel.
I'm Blackfoot Cherokee... we didn't invent crochet 😂😂 its not cultural appropriation it's cultural APPRECIATION. Not a single "native" I know on my rez cares. We do get sick of other ppl being offended on our behalf though... especially when we arent even offended to begin with. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy to watch this video. Guess I'm appropriating Korean culture 🙄 sure hope you're a white middle aged male American using ur iPhone cuz if not your appropriating their culture seeing as tho Steve Jobs invented it.... see how absolutely ludicrous it is to say only the race, nationality or culture that created something should be able to use it?? Beyonce wears a head full of white blonde hair and its fine but let a white wear corn rows aka DUTCH BRAIDS and it'd cultural appropriation... the vikings were wearing braids 7 millenias before Africans but somehow its appropriating black culture to wear them 🤦🏻♀️ can you not see how utterly ridiculous that all is?!? Stop it.
@@nomdeplume2213 love your comment. I see exactly what your saying. People just get offended so easily now a days. Is it offensive if i tell people they are all immigrants unless they are Native American Indian. I have been and never thought maybe that's unacceptable and offensive to Indians. Please let me know. Thanks for your comment!🙂
@@ceegee3471Yes it is. And I'll tell you why: It's like saying the Anglo-Saxons are still migrants to England. I was freaking born in North America, my people have been there for hundreds of years, and I certainly didn't freaking migrate there, I migrated to Britain, and I'm about as welcome here as people like you make me feel in my own homeland. So where the HELL do I belong?
@@impishrebel5969 I disagree with you saying "people like me" making you feel unwelcome. First off I'm saying America is your country. Am i suppose to feel bad about what some of my ancestors may or may not have done? Your reasoning is your own but don't try and insult me by saying "people like me"! I'll never defend Indians again that's is a definite. You belong where you want to be, but you might do better if you got rid of that giant chip on your shoulder! Good day and good luck.
@impishrebel5969 "where the hell do I belong?" I ask that all the time, especially when I find something that brings me joy and then the gatekeepers come. "No fun for you!" 😑
Oh my goodness. My cousin had a similar spiderweb vest back in 1973! Starlily needs to realize crocheting has been around for ever and so have these kind of Halloween themed vests.
I hope the cosmic creator made it through this drama okay. They didn’t deserve any of this and I hope they were able to post their pattern and move on in their life.
Agreed. She seemed so rational, completely sensible, and super professional. Hope she continued on and didn't let one mean spirited person and their groupies hold her back.
Starlilly is so lost in this fantasy of a victim righteously standing up for herself that she feels very disconnected from reality. It’s especially noticeable with her series of videos where she compares herself to a fallen tree. Like, girl, someone with 200 followers *maybe* made a pattern inspired by you and instead of a normal reaction, you posted about how much of a freedom fighter for the entire community of craftspeople you are, non-stop, for an entire stories folder. If someone fell that tree, it was Starlilly herself
Starlily has an ego the size of Texas imo. Totally goes against the brand she is selling lol & it's ridiculous. I am 62 years old & did a long jacket (vest) in the 80's, very similar. I even have pictures, should I argue she (Starlily) took my design? Absolutely ridiculous. I am an original hippie/boho/treehugger lol. I've been all over the world making things & crafting. I gave the items away. Starlily needs to grow up. For the record, I do not follow either of these creators & just happened across your video.
Truly I think that the lack of nuance people can have in these "thieving" discussions is ridiculous. *Yes* there are many instances of people or companies who outright steal designs. But like many say, there's nothing new under the sun. Two people can have similar ideas at similar times independently of each other. Not only that, but the fact that people were telling Starlilly that her design was "more detailed" or better shows that they AREN'T exactly the same like she was saying! I think it's extremely foul to weaponize your fan base in the way she did - and I firmly believe that she knew what she was doing, constantly going on and on about it, so her fans would feel hurt on her behalf and rush to her defense but she wouldn't get her own hands dirty.
Honestly, "love and light" / "positive vibrations" new age types scare the shit out of me. They're almost always sitting on top of some big unresolved anger and become completely obsessive and neurotic when something pushes their buttons.
I almost bought one of Starlily's patterns a few months ago but I didn't have the money. When I was looking on etsy at other patterns I found the same pattern for 1/3 of the price, if that. Thing is, this pattern was a vintage pattern that someone had updated slightly and put up for sale BEFORE starlily's ever went up. So I'm extra glad I trusted my gut and didn't buy from her.
the way starlily responded to all this just screams unprofessional! also idk why your channel was recommended to me but you've gained yourself a sub, the way you explain this is so cohesive, easy to follow and keeps my attention! keep it up
Wait-- last year for Halloween my roommate created something almost completely identical to these designs and told me they were just freehanding off of something similar they saw on Pinterest. There's no way Starlily thinks she is the first to do this lmao
they said "find your niche" and you really said "and I fucking WILL"
LOL!
loving it tbh
I like your profile picture! :)
Same
I never realized how much drama was in the craft world until the algo gave me Emma’s channel! Bahah. I am LIVING FOR IT!
Wow when the person who created the granny square speaks up we're all in trouble.
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Exactly! 😂
Oh god I laughed out loud at this!
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I’m pretty sure I saw similar spider web crochet vest things made by middle aged moms in the 90s as a child. Genuinely ridiculous behavior.
Pretty sure my great grandma made the same pattern in the 50's it's a spider web vest not the most original
I can't believe the middle aged moms time travelled to 2023 just to steal the spider web crochet vests from poor baby starlily!! How dare they!! 🤣
there’s so many random youtube tutorials for spiderweb sweaters and cardigans and vests and all kinds of stuff along those lines 😭 it’s not an original idea in the slightest lol
@@29jgirl92I am sooo glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your comment... 😂😂❤
@@29jgirl92take this W
The idea that "theives always deny it" is just ludicrous. Innocent people would obviously deny theft too. Bc they're innocent. How... how else should they respond?
I agree. Should they say they did it although they didn't? I know that there are some people who would maybe say sorry just to avoid the pressure, but that's not exactly how it should be.
I fully agree with this, I'm a klepto. But I'm also honest. Some thieves definitely own up
It's like the historical witch trials - if you denied being a witch you're a liar, if you admitted it, you're a witch and you're killed either way.
plead guilty for a plea deal
But she denys the bullying allegations left right and center. Bullies always deny it
Tbh Starlily using language like "low vibration energy" to justify bullying behavior is the only red flag I need to understand everything going on here👀👀😂
I had this on in the background while cooking and "I don't even have time to respond to that lower vibrational energy" when I'd just heard half an hour of starlily responding very intensely...was a dangerous moment to be chopping veg for sure
I can't believe people say things like that unironically yikes
If I hear that or talk about manifestation, crystals and astrology I pretty much run the other direction.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who cringed at that lol. I rolled my eyes so hard at that, that I saw into time and space
It's truly astounding how many new agers talk about love and light but are so driven by the ego-based mindset they claim to reject
I am 72 and started crocheting at 10 years old (1961) and have seen this style vest (both spider web and hippie/Native American influenced in magazines and crochet books over the years. Wtf
I’m 69, started crocheting at age 11(?), and, like you, had seen this spider web design back in the 1970’s also.
smh, what a weirdo that person is.
Me too!! And think I made several variations of it back in the 70’s ..looking at the picture, making them, and wearing them to numerous ‘parties’ and events 😉That’s the joy of ‘creating’.
I am set to inherit a spider web shawl from the 60's. It's so pretty.
Were they as ugly as the ones made by starily and the cosmic? I am really curious. That is some serious yarn waste
I'm 30 and I just learned to crochet from my grandma. Thank you for carrying the craft. I'm sure you've shared it with other people and/or made some great creations for others and yourself. Props to you and take care. Sending you a big hug!
Nobody tell starlily about spiders... she's gonna go around to every spider nest and yell at them for stealing her idea.
The spiders are thankfully not on instagram.
@@RED-cy7ig The spiders have more sense than humans I guess haha
@@RED-cy7ig You don't actually know this for sure
The mental image of that 😂
Nah, spiders have too many followers for her to go after.
Lol so by starlilly’s logic, everyone that’s created a pumpkin crochet pattern for fall are copying each other. It’s just ridiculous.
Next she's going to accuse E B White of stealing her idea for Charlotte's Web.
I'm literally crippled by the secondhand embarrassment😂 starlilly sounds like a loser
A few months ago someone tried claiming crochet cows. They made rounds in the FB groups, she even had her friends join the groups to leave comments on posts of crochet cows
If you ever do a triangle design you gotta credit the ancient Egyptians
@ville__nobody cares
The fact she did all of this.... and she didn't even come up with the original design is WILD to me.
but she credits her.... and that makes it okay! 🙄
WILD
It's all insane my grandma taught me to knit and shes been dead long before these people were even born. She could crochet anything and everything, i remember a few spider web designs. One of the first comments mentioned there is nothing new under the sun. Its Made up drama for attention pure and simple
That pattern is probably ripped off from the 60's anyhow. I don't know why these gens think they created something completely and utterly new without any inspiration from the past. Ridiculous 🙄
no literally. nothing is original anymore anyway, people need to chill @@thissunchild
starlily: "thats why im staying quiet"
also starlily: does nothing but talk about this drama on all of her platforms that she can
She moves in silence..
She sounds like she's on drugs tbh
Real gangsters move in silence
"I don't have time to be on my phone" - is literally on her phone recording
And mentions how she has a "huge" following on every post, preferably several times 🙈
As someone who has worked at a yarn store for the past 7 years - I have seen endless iterations of the spiderweb vest pattern.
Can you imagine if someone started claiming they own the rights to granny squares or triangle shaped shawls?? 🙄
Ridiculous. I will be sharing this drama with the girls at work though haha
I'm making a granny square blanket who do I credit 😂 which is the og granny square granny
Yesss spill the tea
Right! i’ve been seeing this ‘design’ for yearsssss! There are free tutorials for this style vest and for spider webs off all kinds! Can you imagine if someone tried to call a granny square “theirs”! help us all if a dyer decides that they ‘create’ a particular ‘blue’ tone yarn… no one will ever be able to have blue again ~ indigo be darned!💙
that genuinely made me chuckle 😂@@nephfey2605
Exactly this
I was so worried Cosmic Crocheter was going to apologise but I absolutely love her attitude. She didn't back down to Jen's absolutely insane ramblings, presented herself calmly and absolutely made it clear Jen is in the wrong. Absolutely more power to her.
This Jen gives off very mean girl vibes but hides it all behind her spirituality and hippie look and of course her fans who she is absolutely using to try and bully Cosmic Crocheter. Yes she never told her fans to but she is praising them for defending her. Absolute cult leader vibes
Yes exactly this! I have seen other people like this too where they claim they are just a happy hippie but every other thing they say/post is just rude/toxic
@@sammsspace6888She's a performative "peace and love" girlie. It's all an act but she can't help but let that mean girl bully personality come out under the guise of "defending herself". Perfect example of why you can't judge a book by its boho cover!
Also shaming people for saying “it doesn’t look like copying”.
@@sammsspace6888 hippie and new age spirituality are absolutely a facade for toxicity, as soon as I saw that was the vibe Jen had I already had alarm bells ringing in my head
Totally agree with this. She reeks of entitlement and seems determined to manipulate others to get what she wants. Claiming she ought to be credited for a design that she openly admits to taking from someone else (although, in reality, it is years older - almost certainly older than she is) is bad enough, but the "I'm here in the trenches" comment really riled me. You're not in WWI, you're not in Ukraine, you're not fighting for your survival - you're at a festival, a leisure event, that other people pay to merely visit! I would give her credit that these things can be long days and hard work, but clearly not for her if she has the time to spend all day repeatedly posting on social media, like some sort of obsessive ex, attacking a creator with a smaller platform, who posed no threat to her (far smaller following, different design, etc). The sheer volume of the attacks is unwarranted and really quite concerning.
She's a nasty piece of work, isn't she? Less "loving and peaceful hippy" and more "mean girl looking for someone to bully, then gaslight everyone into thinking she's the victim". Maybe the other festival goers feel the same way, which is why she has no customers and so much time to make all these posts... 🤔
Cosmic Creator's mistake was explaining herself too thoroughly- it was too much reading for poor Starlily 😂
Like ... literally 😅
THATS LITERALLY IT!!
A big creator once put me on blast on their story about something I never said and when I wrote long-ass parapgraphs explaining the context/intent and what not, people just.....didn't read it???
If you know how to read, It's really no problem
Man me and my heightened sense of justice just keeps doing that all the time- at least, not wanting to read a long response is a good sign of someone who doesn't care to have a respectful, productive conversation! Reliable red flag I guess?
Should have said “suck it hippy” 😂
My grandmother crocheted more or less the same vest for my vampire Halloween costumes in 1996. I hope Starlily never hears about it or she'll accuse her of stealing from her. She sounds so much like a cult leader with the love-bombing of her fans, the "tight-knit group", the "if you aren't with me you are my enemy" mentality and her whole LoWeR VibRatiONNal EnErgY new-age bullcrap
Lol the lower vibrational energy part killed me 😂 what does that even mean???
It means she skipped science class and went to drama school instead. 😜@@Thenoobestgirl
I'm pretty sure real hippies of the 60s were crocheting this same vest back on the day.
I wish I had a grandma like that ugh🖤
Those toxic parasocial relationships will inflate that ego every time
Making a “theft” highlight on your Instagram and then saying “ I’m not going to give it too much energy” is crazy
She seemed to be giving it more energy than she did for selling her wares.
she doesn't have any self-awareness atp 😭
Exactly! And the, “This is why I’m staying quiet about this.” Make me chuckle..
I am so weirdly invested in crafting community drama....congrats on finding an untapped niche, Emma
Dear lord, yes. It’s almost as bad as the “am I the a$$h0le” subs on Reddit😂
i always love watching drama/tea videos but often they are about things i don't even know about. as an artist and crafter it's so much more interesting to watch drama videos about these communities haha!! i really love these videos!!
same. i don't know how to crochet or knit but the community seems...... fun
Me too. And I’m not sorry for devouring it 🥲 lol
@@briarchambliss wait until you learn about “Stitch and bitch” parties. You’ll be learning how to do both 😎😄
It was such a red flag and trigger when Starlily said, “I swear, like, I’m not a mean person.” - I’ve never met a genuinely kind person who has to state they are not mean. I have only ever heard this line from mean people.
When someone says those words you KNOW they're about to be the highest-key mean person.
Conversely, also a red flag, when people make statements about how kind they are. It's such a bizarre vibe.
Nice people don’t need to tell you they’re nice, their personality speaks for itself!
i laughed when i saw that the most abusive entiteled violent asshole i’ve ever had the displeasure to meet had ‘Kind❤️’ in their bio on insta
just the most ironic thing. she had always been such a fake ass person. wanting to be seen as really the nicest most fun and sweet person when people who know her knows otherwise.
i guess the selfish kind of people have to convince people of their niceness with their words because they know their actions will not
The condescending tone as well.. This is just not a nice person.
"I'm not a mean person" says the woman who spent days obsessively calling a random stranger a thief and liar.
its odd to me that the person who steals her personality from other cultures would get so bent out of shape about someone creating a fairly generic Halloween pattern
😂😂😂get her!
I was thinking this same exact thing, her aditude reminded me of the kinda person to say "I am 5% Native and my great grandma was a Native princess"
@@emotionjournalLMAO
Honestly bo-ho type chicks are always super sus to me. I mean the majority of hippies of the counter cultural movement of yore are now the innovation smashing capitalists of today.
I was looking to see if anyone posted a comment like this. It's entitlement all the way down. Feeling entitled to other cultural aesthetics leads into feeling like anything you happen to do is exclusively owned by you
the irony of the commenters saying starlily's was better/more detailed while also saying that cosmic crocheter ripped off the pattern exactly 😭😭😭
right like which is it, bad or amazing 😭
right, and then it went from copying the pattern exactly to copying based on photos of the vest lol... how would she able to even get exactly the same as the pattern if she based it on the photo from her own logic
Particularly as she said she was 'Getting ready to release the pattern to the masses'. Has she released or not......in her own words..not.
@@spacemono5419that’s called reaching lol. The accusation was nonsense and she had to keep reaching to validate her bogus claims.
Soooo many boho festival free spirited girlies were literally bullies in highschool. I know a few.
when everyone in the world tells you you're wrong and you can only turn to the universe for affirmation. 🙉
they say "hippies are bad people pretending to be good and punks are good people pretending to be bad" for a reason lol
@@_fleurAs a punk, this behavior is rampant in the punk community, it just takes the form of racism and misogyny instead of mean girl cliques. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE punk culture and there are so many great people here, but the problem with any community is that people adopt the aesthetics of the community to give themselves the appearance of being what they want to be (in the case of punks, a lot of them love the aesthetic of rebellion without wanting to actually examine their own biases and bigotry that leads to the oppression they claim to rebel against, and in the case of hippies and this sort of boho chick vibe they want the appearance of being “kind, community based, free spirited” without actually taking the steps to become more mature)
Any community is prone to this sort of behavior, and idolizing any community as being “above it” ignores the root of the issue: No aesthetic or fashion style or belief system or ingroup or community will make you a good person if you’re not willing to work to become a good person.
@@neonradius i genuinely think punk culture has been gentrified. i agree with you 100% about people who love the punk aesthetic without looking into their own privileges as well. ive also met people who say theyre punk and yet are complacent with government institutions and law enforcement. you cant rage against the machine when you are part of the machine.
Correct me if I’m wrong but, starlily creates a design that is loosely inspired by another fiber artist’s vest, yet is mad at another person for “copying” her design without having any proof? Girl your own design isn’t fully original, how’re you gonna get mad at someone for supposedly copying you?? The sheer audacity some people have.
Exactly! And how would Starlily know CC is copying _HER_ and not simply using the original creator's pattern, the same way Starlily is 👀👀🙄
@@Sleipnirseight literally! and by the looks of it, CC seems genuine. someone who has been crocheting for years is very much capable of making their own designs and suggesting that they copied something that isn’t even super unique is absurd.
@raindropfairy I know!! like you said, you don’t need to announce you’re a good person, it just shows. it’s always the people who swearrr they’re the nicest that are the most insensitive unfortunately
She’s obviously insecure at her own lack of creativity
This!!!
She's absolutely a bully. Pretending that she is innocent when she uses the word "thief" constantly and eggs on her followers makes it clear that she is THE mean girl. She's the one who keeps talking about this while the other woman hasn't said anything rude once. This is like a high school fight about "she copied my outfit" with only one person being mad. Why can't she understand that she is not the first nor only person to create a design like this? Unfortunate.
literally!! she's delusional lmao
I actually find this funny because these patterns have been around for decades. I was able to go through some books that belonged to my mother from the 1970s and found the mandala spider web vest.
Sameeeeeee
She probably just mad cause she was probably the only other one selling anything like what she makes, that SHE has seen, these designs might have been where her popularity spiked, and she now thinks she has competition with this person. She thought she was unique and now she aint. I am sure she also got the idea from books from her mothers era. It looked like those hippy vests to me that was around when my mom was little. she knows she didn't invent them i am sure of it, she's just salty.
That said drama in crochet? i never would have thought. lol
It’s essentially public domain
@@Ooweeeooo which means, in terms of copyright, Starlily hasn't got a leg to stand on, or a hand to crochet with.
I've been crocheting for about 20 years and I promise, patterns go back longer than I've been alive. Other than changing maybe a few stitches or the length or color, there really aren't any new patterns. Also there aren't new stitches 😂
literally went like
S: "YOU *STOLE* MY DESIGN!!!"
CC: "Ummmm....no? I literally didn't?"
S: "YES YOU DID!"
CC: "Calm down."
S: "YOU DID!"
CC: "..."
S: "YOU DIIIID! YOU DID! YOU DID!!!"
S: "OMG YOU LITERALLY DID!"
S: "YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID YOU DID"
S: "WHY ARE YOU BULLYING ME!!!???!?!?!??111??"
S: "oh my god guys it's been so hard taking the higher ground and not talking about this! I'm so mature uwu"
S: "YOOOOOOOOOUUUUU DIIIIIIIIIIDDDD!!!!!!!"
CC: ".....Can I go now?"
Well, she clearly knows how to deal with tantrums
Top-tier gaslighting narcissistic behavior on display....
This sums it up so well 😂
@@LolaRabbit I mean she DOES have a kid. but adult tantrums are a little more annoying imo lol
Perfect summary
omg cosmic crocheter is based. love their responses. starlily sounds like a brat. and immature . she was happy her followers were attacking cosmic. just so wrong and not in the spirit of crochet
Immediately based from the first reply!
absolutely, she was clear and conscise with her replies too, she never engaged in petty jabs or personal attacks, but also did not allow starlily to bully them for something that was absolutely not their fault!
Starlily doesn't want followers, she wants a 100% Yes, Starlily cult, judging by how she responded to what I thought was a very diplomatic follower's reply, with "Defending a thief isn't cute", and in another later post, she basically said that any follower that didn't agree with her/that her pattern had been stolen, should just remove themselves.
The way she (Starlily) just kept posting and posting and posting is very telling lol like move on please, she obviously is doing fine with her crochet business so why even bother with all of this
The “good vibes music festivals” crowd is always some of the most toxic folks I’ve ever met….
Starlily: i didnt send anyone to bully her
Also Starlily: uwu guys thanks for sticking up for me im just a widdle working goddess in this mean ol world .. 🥺
She absolutely *did* send them by thanking them repeatedly and mentioning it constantly. "So many people are calling her out" it backed up her statement and made it valid. Acting like this was other artists or creators calling her out when it was literally just her fans.. She *did* send them, and made sure they kept going.
Underrated comment!!
And basically saying in her comment it's not my fault my fans love me and defend me. She knew what she was doing when she made her posts. She knew they would go after cosmic.
@@bethannew9207 absolutely!! It drives me crazy when creators act that way, there's a "drama" I'm watching at the moment where one creator is doing the "SO many people pointed this out to me...." when noone did, YOU pointed it out now your fans are repeating it back to you cos they know that's what you wanna hear 🤦
Yes, you're so right. And her saying, "if so many of my followers think it's stolen, then it has to be!" No. It doesn't. Just because her followers agree with her doesn't mean that she is right.
Oh ffs! The Janis Joplin knockoff needs to sit down already because she’s just embarrassing herself. I made these vests in the mid-70s for myself and my girlfriends, and they were already going out of style then. I knew them as “fringe vests.” I learned how to make them from my grandmother, who started crocheting sometime in the 1930s!
You and your grandmother copied her.😂
Janis Joplin knockoff 😅😅😅 I needed that laugh. Thank you!
Your grandmother and my mother were age peers. After she passed, I ended up with my mother’s “10 cent books” (copyrights anywhere from late 1940’s-1950’s).
I found and made a doily from one of these books that was exactly like the vest spiderweb. I used the actual 1940’s-era directions. I was born in 1954. So this design was made fore I was born.
Are StarLily's followers *NOT* fiber artists? Because those tops CLEARLY are *NOT* the same.
The icing on that cake is all the people saying how much better/prettier/MORE DETAILED StarLily's variation on the Fae vest is...🤦🏻♀️ Like, Sis - you're literally proving CC's point....
I am not any type of fiber artist. This channel was recommended and I'm hooked 😄. Even I was like 🤔🤔 those look quite different. Spiderweb seems Iike something many people would be inspired by and with knowledge easily figure out how to incorporate it into a piece.
No, they're not. They're ravers. That should answer all the questions 😂
I'm willing to bet her followers are mainly her customers
Yeah I'm genuinely baffled how this is a controversy in the first place, aside from both being "festival vests" the patterns look literally nothing alike.
more than being fiber artists, do they have working eyes???
I feel like grannies all over the world would be baffled by the concept of "owning and copying designs." It comes off as self-obsessed. BTW, my nan wants credit for that cardigan.
For someone who is unbothered and doesn’t have time for drama, starlily sure does have a lot of time to be a mean girl online. If you are confident in your designs and your business, you have no reason to be this pressed about a similar design by a small creator. Going so far as to make a story highlight drawing attention to the situation? That uncovers everything about her personality that I need to know, and I am not impressed.
Right!! Starlily is being super extra.
she posted a screenshot of her and a follower praising her for being quiet on a public story. may as well have said "im the most humble person in the world"
Not drama, "LoWeR ViBrAtIoNaL eNeRgy" 😂
@Alex-zp3kxdo something bad to yourself
@@nyandoesthingsif you have to say youre humble you arent
"I swear I'm not a mean person" *continues to make defamatory statements about cosmic crocheter* if I was cosmic I would definitely sue for defamation
also she kept saying cosmic was being mean when cosmic was never mean at all just defending themselves and explaining. i thought they were quite eloquent and based. it was clear their feelings were hurt but their words did not have malice in them
@@QUEERVEEART Saying cosmic was being mean seems to make her think that gives her the go ahead to be mean back.. Kinda like justification for the dog piling and continuing to go on and on about having a design stolen (that has been around for ages) so her followers can continue to attack the other creator. It's also telling that she pushes out her own followers for daring to say that she should stop and maybe chill a little.
What if she's also a tad jealous that her name is cooler? Because both names are star / space related?
The second she starts talking about “vibrational energy” told me all I need to know. This woman is a perpetual victim and refuses to accept any criticism or responsibility because it’s just easier to label it as “negativity” and continue living in her hug box of supporters. I feel terribly for the other smaller creator who did nothing wrong and is now being harassed by this “goddess” and her brainless followers.
as soon as I hear the words "vibrational energy", I cringed. Pseudo-spiritualistic language is nauseating.
god i am so not surprised that starlily is one of those woowoo good vibes only pseudooccult girlies . that whole subculture always gave me “mean girl using their✨spirituality✨as a shield for cruel behavior . like the nurses of the art world
Exactly
classic spiritual bypassing
facts
“I don’t have time to respond to that *lower* spiritual EnErGy 😃…”
I followed and unfollowed starlily before all of this bc she gave me mean girl vibes
I don't want to sound extremely elitist but these types of dramas seem really indicative of people that haven't engaged much in like the culture of fine art ( which has pleanty of its own issues I know). I went to art school and something that was really hammered into us freshman year was to not to accuse fellow classmates of copying you because 99% of the time it would make you look uninformed and immature. Everyone gets inspiration and steals from one another if you think anything you're doing is original or unique than you're just sticking your head into the sand. Whenever something like this came up in critiques most people would visibly cringe and it was usually the most unskilled conceded people making the accusation.
Absolutely right. I've seen so many people who agonise over people copying their "stuff", when their "stuff" is often the only reasonably good work they managed to produce in their final year at college. A few years out of college, and they haven't created anything new so they lash out. The meltdown is predictable.
Yep, while the mediums of drawing allow more room for creativity and an almost infinite number of potential designs, coincidence is much harder. But crochet has a much more limited scope of potential designs, so it's silly to say someone is copying you when coincidence is much higher.
Creative people also seem to grow into a creative persona. Maybe social media platforms will always spawn a lot of mean girls. "The medium is the message". It's interesting how many of these tantrums are directed from platforms that are perceived as cool, towards users on platforms that move at a completely different pace.
Exactly!
This!!
I really hope starlily never steps foot on Pinterest, otherwise she'll have a stroke when she sees how many people have been crocheting those for years. Like, I'm POSITIVE I've seen spiderweb backed crochet vests while just randomly scrolling, it's a pretty simple idea to think of?
Star Lily IS the mean girl and her flying monkeys are cringe.
Your use of the word 'cringe' is cringe, are you a time traveller from 2016 dearie? The word has become so intertwined with being used as an excuse to harass that I think you shouldn't use it if you want to be taken seriously at all.
@@poppythedogofwonderslmao cringe (cute dog tho)
@@poppythedogofwonderslol talking like that is really cringe
@poppythedogofwonders The nerve to shit on the word "cringe", which has not ever fallen out of completely normal use btw. To then not even think twice about calling someone "dearie". 😭
@@poppythedogofwonderslook as against cringe culture as i am calling something like this cringe is completely justified, plus the word is pretty versatile
I swear, every time I see a “so and so is copying meeeee” drama in the creative subsections of the internet, it’s always someone who is just so convinced that they’re more creative and unique than they actually are.
a lot of it's is projection....cause it's usually them copying from other artists. I was at the receiving end of someone trying to blast me for copying an so-called "original design" that's been in the jewelry game for DECADES. Literally the most baseline jewelry technique. The gag was this person is known for stealing from other small/independent artists and it back-fired on them. I was honestly shocked the amount of support i received cause nobody came to their defense so that was nice 🥰
YES! It's always a standard shape or pattern that is widely available and they get their backs up about it.
Illuminaughti springs to mind 😂
Also, they missed the whole business theory that, “imitation is an honor.”
This isn't about Starlily feeling betrayed or wounded by being "copied." This is about being pissed that someone out there is showing how to make something "similar" without her making money off it. She essentially wants a copyright on a pattern that she took and altered from someone else. She supposedly is planning to release her own pattern (paid access,) has more tutorials/patterns on patreon (paid access,) and sells physical pieces (obv paid.) She has her (presumably commando) panties in a twist because she thought she'd be losing out on a teeny fraction of business. Or even worse, she's bringing drama to get more eyes on her and more sales to "support the OG creator" because goddesses support goddesses...monetarily.
Literally what i thought 😆 did you copy my thought process?!? Or did i copy yours? 🤔
this is exactly it!
"i'm staying quiet" she says as she refuses to stop talking about it... 🤦♀
"I don't have time for these trolls but I'm gonna spend a ton of time talking about how little time I have to respond to them" lol like it's SO embarrassing
Even more IG stories today😅
Ok so I work part-time at festivals too and its always the down to earth "spiritual" hippie ladies that are the biggest drama queens lmao. Honestly, there's only so much you can do with yarn and the way YOU present yourself and how your patterns are written matters so much for return customers. Starlily isn't a small creator, she could just have the confidence that her followers/customers would want to have her pattern, instead she tried to make herself a victim and bullied someone over petty drama.
How does she even get time to make the stuff she sells? Between her crap on social media and all the festivals she works so hard at, how are there enough hours in the day to make the stuff herself?
I’m severely disappointed in her punching down behavior , what happened to “be kind”
Kind of like vegans
It's so so so so true. It's always the people who feel the need to label themselves as higher energy or peaceful souls that raise the most hell over tiny issues.
I work festivals too (make jewelry and crochet items) and it's always 100% of the time the "high vibe hippie" chicks with the absolute most useless drama
As a crocheter, I saw the photos you showed and they are absolutely NOT the same. Similar, sure, but they are different. The way some designers go after smaller creators assuming similarity means "stolen" makes me block them in all the ways I can. Yuck.
i am not defending starlily because she seems a bit insane but i checked on instagram and the designs are pretty much the same.
@@nodiggity8746”pretty much the same” isn’t that far off from “similar” ngl
@@nodiggity8746 Similar.... yes. Almost like the one I crocheted in the 1960's.
@@fizzknit9446 I find them to be extremely similar. They drape the same way, aside from the spider web, even the rest is the same. They both posted one in white, I can barely tell the difference
@@nodiggity8746the thing is that a vest with a spiderweb on it has been done for decades and neither of them own a fucking vest with a spiderweb on it. It's a vest and a spiderweb. It's been done.
Btw: that vest is not even the ´fae vest’ from Forever Wandering - it’s been around since the 60’s or 70’s - it’s basically a huge doily with arm holes and buttons in the front to hold it closed. There have been a thousand different iterations of it.
This is why I don’t even want to post anything I make or share my patterns Bc someone is bound to say « A DOILY?! How dare you not credit ME?! It’s MY DESIGN! » or « I see you use double crochet for a V-shaped scarf. You clearly copied that from ‘OG creator’ »
- or worse -
to take a design that I offered freely, change one row of stitches and claim I plagiarized it right before they post it on their own to be even sneakier about -stealing what was free- gatekeeping things, like this piece of work in the video ☝️)
I’ve even seen this with individual stitches like the crocodile stitch which became the dragon and people are charging for (it was in a crafts book way back from the 70’s that my mom had but y’know someone thinks they invented it....) etc etc
Yes- I'm over 60, and I immediately recognized the vest as a 60s/70s pattern. And it didn't take me much longer to recognize star lily as a narcissist and a grifter.
Yeah you can see someone apartments if you watch the hair musical movie
Similar garments not apartments
@@claudeyaz😂😂😂Damn autocorrect😂
I feel you about not wanting to show anything you’ve made due to stuff like this. I used to post to DeadJournal (the emo/edgy version of LiveJournal back in the 2000s lol), and was apart of the sewing community there. It was fun, everyone just trying their hardest to genuinely help one another be better at their hobby, never any stress of being told you’re “stealing” simple designs. That’s not to say drama never happened as it did, but it was largely drowned out as these types of behaviors online used to be frowned upon as being extremely embarrassing by every community - can we please go back to _that_ ? lol
Ever since the rise of social media and influencers (when monetization started becoming a huge driving factor in driving others to their website/blog/store through followers), it has brought out the worst out in people. More and more becoming entitled to lay claim over simple patterns because they added a design to it, acting like it’s the end of the world that someone could ever make something similar.
I’ve wanted to be apart of the more modern sewing communities for a while now online, and I know there are some amazing people out there that genuinely does try to steer clear from these types of behaviors, but the amount of toxic mindsets are just too much. Way too many are ready to jump at another’s throat over “stealing” ideas and patterns that have been around for decades and decades.
Just don’t want to deal with the hoards of fans of a number of creators that are way too eager to seek out this type of stuff, intentionally searching for ways to bring attention to their favorite creator that someone “stole” something of “theirs” ...
Those massively inflated egos only push the genuinely good people away. Fans going beyond just admiring someone’s work that are ready to pounce and attack anyone for them …
It shouldn’t be like this. 😕
Unless someone is a time traveler, that vest Motif - whether called a fey vest or spider web or mandala- has been around since thread was invented. Museums are full of it. Even my 86 year old mom was making things like this in the 60s & 70s. So was designer Ian Spurling in 1973 whose dress can be seen at the V&A online collection. So much sound & fury . . .
u are 100% right!
She'll be saying that all of the spiders copied her soon enough.
starlily calling herself a goddess reveals why her ego is so hurt by not being the only one allowed to sell this motif
The fact that Starlily called herself a goddess says it all. I mean really, what could be the odds of two people on this planet having the same idea at the same time and not copy each other? Preposterous right? It is amazing that a hippie wannabe using Native American culture as inspiration can beat up a tiny creator. I think she was just basking in the attention.
Great video! Thanks for informing us! I love what i could see of the sweater you are wearing.
that's what I thought as well! I practice witchcraft, and in my community all this hippie new age stuff is looked at really badly for being 80% cultural appropriation and 20% a slippery slope to the far right.
as soon as she started spewing the new age spirituality bullshit I was physically cringing, hard pass on this woman
You’re spot on. Those are some of the most annoying ((white!)) people because they use all this pretentious co-opted positive language but it’s usually just to be manipulative bc they’re ridiculously entitled and toxic
@@m00nj3llyfxsh yeah, it always gives me the ick. I have seen few that weren't already on the far right pipeline, or thinly veiled bigots.
Not to mention having to reinstruct my friends that are new to the path away from harmful practices they read some neo-hippie new ager who doesn't understand the culture around witchcraft and paganism beyond just surface level.
Haven’t crochet vests been around since the 60s? Can anyone truly claim them as their own at this point
I've seen photos of my great grandma holding a spider web crochet vest in the 50's so it probably goes back even earlier
yeah the overall silhouette of the vest is really basic and it's matched with an extremely popular theme. I feel like anyone could come up with this design and accusing someone of copying it is ridiculous
This is a really good point. A common theme in all these "you stole my design !!11!!!" dramas is that the design has often been around since before the drama participants were born.
Yes..this style, and its many variations, were very very popular in the late 60's and early 70's. It was fairly quick and was an easy way to use up extra odds and ends of yarn. I personally made quite a few. Ribbon fringe was popular.
@@ayajade6683your grandma clearly stole it from Star lily AND THIS IS THE ONLY PROOF OF HER EXTENSIVE TIME TRAVEL. Gmas a WITCH 😂😂😂😂
Wait, did i hear correct that Starlily accused Cosmic Crocheter of copying a vest that she didn't post the tutorial for yet? How can you steal something not published yet?
I believe starlily’s patreons had early access or had at least seen previews so she thought cosmic crocheter had seen it and released her version … which is a wild and easily fact checkable accusation to make
the amount of times I've seen this design makes starlily's reaction laughable
I think it's hysterical that Starlily seems to think it's fine if she gets inspired by someone elses pattern (The ENTIRE FAE VEST) and changes it and calls it her own, but if someone else appears to take something of hers as inspiration and changes it (those webs don't look the same at all...) THEY aren't allowed to claim it, nope, not at all!
I’m glad it’s not just me. Like, I’ve seen this design sooo many times it’s so simple how in the world does she think she owns it
true and her reaction seems so frustrating, she's ignoring the other creator explaining herself and handles it so condescendingly, my anger management issues could not
tbh starlily falls in line with a pattern i've seen of people who are all about "goddess energy" and "positivity" and "vibing with the universe" actually just being awful, nasty ppl lmao
i have a decent number of friends who go to raves and dear god the amount of pettiness and drama i hear about second-hand lmao
sadly a bunch of people think that being spiritual will immediately make them a good person
Illuminaughti vibes😂
I have yet meet a person who is “vibing with the universe” and actually hold it true. It’s like those people claiming they’re humble.
I've noticed that when people like starlily say they're "aligned with the universe" or similar, it either comes from or becomes a sense of "I am aligned with the universe so I can't be wrong, that would mean the universe being wrong" Any perceived slight against them is seen as the slight-er being "unaligned from the universe" or having "bad vibes" because they've associated their sense of self so strongly with "good vibes" that the two concepts are muddled together
(apologies if this is worded badly, I've not put this thought/observation into words before)
She legit has
" Goddess energy"
All over her account.... And started posting extra hard about
" goddess energy"
When ppl were calling her out for being a bully..
Honestly, this just made me want to buy from Cosmic Creations instead. Goth is my aesthetic too and the vest is just my style. And she's local. It'll be cool to support a fellow goth artist.
I cant find her Instagram, do you know if shes changed her user or something?
I have been at the receiving end of the "you copied me" claim. I tested a pattern for a dragon. After I finished the test, I leveled up the pattern, improving the legs and body shaping. I was told I could not do that. I must use the pattern exactly as it was written. So I ditched her pattern and made up my own. Head shaping was different, body-shaping was different, wings were different, legs were different, tail was different. I wasn't selling the pattern, just the finished items. I got a nasty message accusing me of stealing and back-stabbing, saying she was going to report me and shut down my shop. I explained that since I wasn't allowed to change anything in her pattern, I made my own from scratch. She kept up with "you copied me!" So i sent her Ravelry links for dragons dating back a few years... all of which looked a little like hers, a little like mine.... because they were all dragons. She blocked me on social media, so I don't know if she blasted me in her groups. I've published dozens of patterns since then, and thankfully I haven't been accused of pattern theft.
Exactly, there's only so much you can change for it to look like a dragon!
Wait, do you have this dragon pattern still? 👀
@@SanktaLo which one? Hers? Nope, tossed it in the trash. Mine, yes. I have it in typed form with lots of scribbled notes. I haven't made it in a while... I like the cute little chubby dragons better.
@@ElainefromPenguinPlaceCrafts I definitely meant yours! 😂 Dragons are next on my list of plushies to make
@@SanktaLo Right now I'm in full-scale craft show mode... 7 shows between tomorrow and 11/11, with only 10/14 off! Once the shows are over, I hope to get more computer work done, publishing patterns and updating my Etsy shop.
People like starlilly are literally the reason some of us are scared to take the next step
That really resonated with me.
Yes absolutely. I love wreath making on a small scale but I am scared to make the next step and make online content out of it because I keep seeing this type of drama in the creator world
I've been thinking of publishing amigurumi patterns for awhile and asked a group that I've been actively contributing to for advice. I immediately took the post down when the first comment was that I hadn't been putting up my own work already when there is a rule limiting self-promotion to get specific circumstances! That kind of thing is why I'm terrified to break out of my little worsted weight shell.
@@kristenhanisch8508was it r/crochet? I hate posting their because of all the ridiculous rules, and yea basically anything that mentions sales gets pulled for ‘self promotion’ even if you never mention your shop. I hope you got some advice though and do post your stuff
@@spencerwagner903 Yeah, I pulled it myself before getting advice because the one response really got me down. I've been going through a lot of personal stuff and depression and anxiety, so I just couldn't stand feeling judged like that. I still would like to try it at some point, but it'll take time before I have anything ready for testing anyway.
Edit to add: it seems every time I put up a post on Reddit in general I either don't get the information I'm looking for or it gets taken off even though I'm trying to follow the rules. So at this point I only respond to other people's posts to give encouragement and advice anyway.
okay but the accuracy of the VOICEOVERS???? emma's hidden talent!!!!!
(also - this was such a good video - thank you for your service)
Holy hell but Starlily is insufferable. Many of us are creatives and while stealing is indeed a big problem, this is not. Everyone who isn't blinded by their love of Starlily is being completely turned off by her acting like this. So incredibly entitled and not even realising that what she's calling theft from Cosmic is the exact same thing she did with the pattern from Wanderer.
I have literal trauma from women like her in the festival scene lol
She gives me a fight/flight reaction
I just googled spiderweb crochet and found a pattern from the 70’s. Also why not just sue the woman if she thinks she stole from her?
Because only the written pattern can be copyright. If you buy something and reverse engineer it it’s perfectly legal.
@@solidflyer286Even written patterns aren't copyrightable like that in the US (same with recipes, math, and other things that are just a basic list of instructions). The actual format of the instructions might be copyrightable if you make a video with explanation or if you write the instructions in the form of a poem or something, but even then someone can re-write the same instructions into a different format or make their own video or whatever and that's OK.
@@kray3883 you’re right - I should have been specific sorry. It’s the exact wording that’s copyright.
So saying “I like to do three double crochets then add a single and a treble” is copyrighted but someone can easily rewrite that in their own words.
@@solidflyer286 No, even the exact wording isn't copyright, as long as as it's just a plain way of giving directions. Your example is probably _not_ copyrightable unless it contains "a substantial literary expression" besides the directions.
@@kray3883 I like to have a cup of tea before I do the first very care double crochet and then smoothly slip into the next stitch to do a single crochet and wrap that yarn tight ladies because it’s on to a yarn over 😂
I love that this is happening online when a lot of the videos were shot at what looks to be the Renaissance festival where you could be at a booth see something you like and then 10 booths down see the exact same products just being sold by different companies or people
Starlily creations is acting like an unhinged bully and needs to realise she isn't the main character.
Crafting drama is so wild because the people involved aren't teens with undeveloped brains but fully grown adults with businesses! It’s just feral!
I've seen 40 years olds call the cops or try doxxing people writing fan fiction similar to their fan fiction . Some people never aged past a teen's mentality
I've seen 40 years olds call the cops or try doxxing people writing fan fiction similar to their fan fiction . Some people never aged past a teen's mentality
The second anyone refers to being in a festival as "being in the trenches", you KNOW something is up.
This is why I legit left the whole crochet community. Deleted my insta and closed my shop. Some of those folks are a little out of control with "omg, you stole from me." Like... yo, you didn't invent rainbows 😏
Why are the copying accusations over the most basic bitch patterns? Im a digital artist and I'm always seeing super basic designs being "called out". Sorry, but brown and blue wolfdogs are severely common lmao
It's ALWAYS over basic AF stuff. "HEY! They copied my hexagon cardigan!" Or "Isn't is sus how THEIR 4-Square pullover looks eXaCtLy like *MY* 4-Square pullover?!1¿!?!eleventy!!111?! 🤔"
Like...just go make some more items & keep your trap shut, ffs.
I honestly think it's because the more unique and intricate the design, the less people can claim it looks like theirs, so they always get stuck on gatekeeping basic ones. Also, there's been a pattern emerging where crafters who are more focused on online fame and clout are the ones who are so quick to cry plagiarism against crafters who are more invested in the craft itself. 😂
Or when you " steal " a character pose or a landscape perspective. Almost everyone of these DIYers misuse the copyright law while usually commiting copyright themselves especially those that do fanart of the big corporations, Pokémon is a big one that I know of that so many people claim as their "art" and "image" to sell.
@@Panda-od9ujor the people who claim they own a color palette
@@Panda-od9uj Nah, that one depends, if they made actual art of it I do think they have a right to sell it as they did indeed make a product of their own even if it's using someone else's image as a base.
As an indigenous person, thank you sm for that mention of cultural appropritation / insensitivity at the basis of starlilys aesthetics. That kind of acknowledgement means a lot to Indig artists like me!
starlily's white woman spiritual bypassing energy is sendingggg me "when u r a goddess and u want to lift other artists up you dont rip people off you literally like want to support one another"
also why does she keep talking ab how hard it is for her to work festivals that is irrelevant to the "issue" shes tryna talk about
it's cause she sucks and she is trying to manipulate people into feeling bad for her like wow she's working so hard and someone has the audacity to steal from her?! that's the reaction she wants. but she lyin . about the stealing. i'm sure festivals are actually hard to work but there's absolutely no reason to bring it up in this situation except for sympathy points
It's the "this lower vibrational energy" for me 🙄
because clearly being a hard worker makes you morally superior which means youre always correct in every situation. basic logic
the way she said working a festival was “working in the trenches”, like okay girl..
@@alywayart me at the music festival dodging machine gun fire and dying of trench foot
i think there was a much better way to solve this - designs tend to be similar - over hundreds years of crocheting there is a limit to innovation we can bring. The way Starlily handled this PR-wise and personality-wise was HORRID. To be so stuck up while your design isn't even original, and to attack and put a much smaller creator while saying "i helped so many small accounts grow"????? Girl???
Should I call out every creator who makes crocheted mittens simply because i make mittens?
the thing that gets me the most about this is that it isn't starlily's design in the first place. like the base isnt your pattern why are you so pressed. its also ridiculous that people who have the ability to free hand a design have to tag every single person who may have put out a pattern. like spiderweb crochet motifs are incredibly popular, the chances of two people making a circle vest with one in the middle/back of the vest is likely to happen. like this whole situation is giving a child crying over spilled milk, its not that deep i promise.
and to be honest, it takes like two minutes to go online and see that a spider web vest, slightly different, is a very popular pattern that sells since the 70's, with another similar vest selling since the 1930!!. And then to have the confidence to try to ruin someones life for the sake of a pattern that is not even yours 🤦♀girl the crazyness is real
@mariapaz6379 exactly!! And the headhardeness of her being like NO SHE STOLE FROM *ME* is so incredible to me; it feels like she locked herself in a bubble filled with people who only say yes to anything she says... I hope she will wake up one day because her work looks really fun and I would love to support her, but I can't bring myself to do it when I know how she treats others:(
@@mariapaz6379thank you! 1 million times this! It looks like a flapper vest. It looks like a peace and love hippy vest. It looks like an 80s kid vest. It isn't even vaguely original. I'm surprised there aren't MORE people putting out basically the same thing this time of year. Her complaining sounds sophomoric--she knows enough to make the thing, but not enough to know that other people could do and have done the same, even though SHE got the idea from someone else.
They are my mittens! Shout me out until everyone will know me. Sincerely, the mittens lady.
Imagine appropriating Indigenous, Romani and other cultures and then accusing someone of copying you and being a thief.😂
As someone who likes bohemian asthetic, is all of it bad? Should I like throw all my boho stuff out or?...
TEAAA!!! Let's really talk about it
@@Yeehaw0588Absolutely do not throw out your clothes, wear what brings you joy and be respectful of the cultures that develop them. Can’t speak for everyone but as a Romani person I have no problem with it at all.
@@ryantobefunny9587 I'm just tired of being associated with the culturally appropriating hippies and bohemians and I really don't want to offend anybody, I just wish they would explain things to me instead of attacking me while I'm clueless
@@Yeehaw0588Hey, I mean this in the kindest way possible - but you need to concider that everyone leads lives just as complex as yours. Those people you want explanations from probably had to explain it thousands of times already, and even here you are asking a stranger who just left a comment to do that work for you. People have explained the issues with appropriation many many times before! A lot of those explanations are freely available online. Look into them & read a variety & don‘t just take the ones that agree with you to heart :)
In the Universe I’m from, fashion designs/ pattern were NOT COPYRIGHTED and ANYONE can pick apart a garment and sew their own. There was NO SUCH THING as holding a patent for a pattern. I can’t follow patterns. I am a free form crocheter. I have the most disgusting taste in my mouth after the StarLily child started this drama. Grow up, Girl! Nothing new under the sun!
Free form crocheters unite!
"All great minds think alike and fools seldom differ" ... I agree !
The only thing i can freeform crochet is dishcloths lol
Actually (sorry), patterns can be copyrighted. Alias the thing you buy and use to make the garment. And by that I mean either the paper thing or the PDF you print out.
The actual cut pieces of clothing, yeah good luck with that. Not even big fashion brands with billions to their name get to copyright the actual clothes. Just the logos or printed art designs. Which I think is one of the reasons logos are so in fashion for such a long time since you aren't allowed to copy them.
@@ateisate7270 when my mother worked for all THE BIGGEST PATTERN companies in the world, she could copyright her artwork, drawings of the patterns, but the actual patterns could NOT be copyrighted and a crocheted piece would get nowhere NEAR copyright status/ actually held up in court. It’s called, sculpting with string.
I made a spiderweb vest like this back in like 2005 based off of a pattern I bought in a small shop. It is so wild to me when people try to claim this is an original idea and no one else can make a pattern similar. These have been around I'm sure a lot longer than I was conscious of it.
YES! omg i was thinking the same thing!! Thats just a spiderweb doily with larger gauge yarn and chains for arm holes like what is she talking about "original" ? 😆
@@vV_Strixhaven_Sophmore_Vv You are so right! I didn't even think about it being a spider web doily. I have one from the 80s my grandma made. I'm even less impressed with the "original" vest than I was before!
For real, there literally is one in this book I picked up from goodwill for fall themed projects
i'm pretty sure that in just the past couple months several new spiderweb clothing patterns have popped up on ravelry
i'm sorry but the whole "when you are a goddess" line absolutely sent me into a giggling fit😭😭
Ohhhh lmao she actually said that 😂
I hope starlilly sees this and realizes how silly she is. There are 50,000 people who make the same things she does. Another great video from you!!
more like starSILLY
Starlily is the most agitating creator in this sphere. She complains non-stop (despite being a massive bully) and then says she's "staying silent". Not only is she in the wrong for claiming she "owns" a common design and accuse a small creator over a common design publicly, she attacks said creator with her fan base and appropriates native culture
Love that she says she feels gaslit when she is gas lighting lmao
As a native person who hopes to one day sell her art, I feel so disgusted by people who can just nonchalantly appropriate something without giving it any second thought or regard. I'm plains Cree, and we aren't the same as Sioux or Blackfoot, so I'm not just gonna start making "native inspired" art, as if we are all some conglomerate, and not even look into or research the history behind that type of art. At the very least, I would attend some sort of cultural event from those other tribes to learn some things, but I'm not gonna take those ideas and then profit off of it, when there are plenty of native artists that ARE from that specific tribe that are the ones who should profit.
She sounds like 8 year old me being upset over someone "stealing" my oc design... it was a pure white wolf.
I grew up in the festival scene. I cannot tell you how many people I've met who are just like Starlilly. They're mean girls who hide behind "authentisity", "transparency ", and have s high spiritual vibration. They always accuse others of what they're doing, just so they can play the victim and feel better about themselves 😒
Not in the community enough to know either party but I DO recognize the red flags of self-absorbed bad behavior when I see it. 😬
Just yikes how did Starlily find the nerve to go around accusing someone of 'stealing' a pattern they made almost completely based off of SOMEONE ELSE'S work??
My grandma had a vest like that from the 60's. The design has been around for forever. Starlily seems to be suffering from main character syndrome.
"collaboration over competition!"
Proceeds to try to compete with a creator whose following is a FRACTION of their own. Girl why do you feel SO threatened by someone with a following of less than 300 when you have 6 figures??? This is ridiculous 😂
Starlily honestly seems like an unbearable, exhausting person to deal with. Yikes. If I were to sit down and design a mandala vest right now there is a strong chance it would resemble at least one other design. It's a small coincidence and it happens. I feel for Cosmic Creations having to deal with this while trying to launch their business.
I have no doubt that she “stole” many patterns without “giving credit.” There’s rarely a pattern that is absolutely special and can be linked back to one person. Her vest is very basic level, I’ve seen so many of these things. They’re not even that cute to have all this drama over. Tired of these “hippie boho” white women claiming theft. Do they even realize what cultures they are using for their aesthetic? Do they not understand appropriating vs appreciating? I’m not saying you can’t wear hippie clothes. I’m a hippie (I mostly wear ‘70s and ‘60s clothes), but you better be aware of the history.
yeah a lot of these "boho" women steal their shit directly from roma culture and indian culture and then go around claiming roma people are disgusting, thieves, etc. and its so horrible honestly@@antisocialal4799
After this she's been posting how many of her buyers " survived cancer" or some other tragic story and now her followers are back to
" omg I love you so much!! I knew you weren't a bad person!!"
Like gag me with a spoon 🙃
My favorite part is her repeated “just because I have thousands and millions and billions of followers and I’m so popular and beloved doesn’t mean the little people can’t hurt me.”
It feels like a theme of these videos people get into hobbies or hobby businesses without understanding or learning anything about the history of the art form they are partaking in. It's so wild. These videos always feel like someone is trying to be a choreographer and they are maintaining that they invented the plié, but they call it "bendy legs" instead.
Edit SHE CAME FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WENT TO DESIGN SCHOOL 😆☠️⚰️💀
"bendy leg" isn't too far off.
"Bendy legs" made me chicken on my drink 😂
@@ME-jv7hn “chicken on my drink” made me spit out my water 😭
"Lower vibrational energy" "When you are a goddess" "And it's like, and like, I'm like" 😭 Talking like this while being such a mean girl is so funny to me. For one, I'm shocked that people talk like this in real life unironically, but to spout all that while attacking another person feels so off. She looks far too old to act like this.
Every response she gives has some high insecurity vibes. Which is the same as mean girl energies, just more pathetic tbh
My grandma had crocheted these spider vests for me and my sisters when we were still little and I am now 65 years old! Would she say my grandma stole her design too? My grandma died in the mid 1990s. Lol!
I’ve been crocheting for a few years and it became my life hobby. Would never believe that some day I would be watching crochet drama videos, but I’m SO invested!
I thought to share a video idea with you. It’s crazy how many items get copied by Shein/Cider from small crocheters and knitters and I would love to watch a video about their stories. It’s interesting to know if they filed any lawsuits and won them, or just in general what did they do in situations like this.
Shein is in the middle of a lawsuit rn for RICO violations! I’ll def talk about it more as the case (hopefully) progresses. That’s the real copying drama as far as I’m concerned. They can’t keep getting away with this !!!!
Small creators steal from big brands all the time. They just don’t like it when it’s done to them. If some can’t steal then nobody should be allowed to steal.
@@SocialExperiment232... yeah nobody should steal.
@@SocialExperiment232HAHAHAH ok ??
@@SocialExperiment232That’s stupid.
Big brands are supposed to contact smaller creators for the copyright of their designs. Because they’re big professional brands that make more money then smaller creators ever do.
And big brands expect to be copied and don’t lose enough money to sue people who do this.
Get that boot out of your mouth. And learn shit about business models.
Thieves are usually the most likely to accuse others of theft. You see others as you are, not necessarily as they are. Starlily has only proven herself to be an insecure and petty person in this situation. Hope she learns, from my personal experience people like her never do
"For real, like I swear, I am not a mean person."
-Every girlie right before they're about to say something mean fr.
If I were forever wandering, I would tell star lily to stop talking about me already, it's almost starting to feel like she's trying to drag the supposedly original creator of her 'stolen' pastiche pattern down with her in this...
I'd love to know what Forever Wandering thinks of it all
@@eliflames5157I was hoping they'd responded
Hearing you say "when you're a goddess..." in her exact tone of voice just sent me into a fit of laughter 😂I've never seen a creator do a voiceover like that and I thoroughly enjoyed it❤
my hands-down fave niche is people online in drama posting story after story after story which all start with “i don’t have time for…” while simultaneously proving they have all the time for the dramatic 😂
I do think that Starlily totally over reacted. Like many have said, that style of crochet vest/jacket has been around the block for quite some time. I also get supper annoyed at pattern designers that will post blurbs on their sales sites that purchasers of the patterns cannot sell the finished items they've made, or can only sell "x" number of finished items made. Like, that's not how selling patterns works. At all. If I purchase a clothing pattern at a store, and I sew up as many of each of the sizes I wanted to and sold them, then I absolute can do that. I paid money for the pattern and I put in the labor to make the completed item. Of course I get to sell it if I want. Sheesh.
YES. Excellent point.
YES!! Call out the white hippy ladies appropriating Native culture, calling it “Festival wear” or “Bohemian” and then going off on someone copying THEM. 😂 That was the cherry on the sundae for me, babes. So glad I found this channel.
I'm Blackfoot Cherokee... we didn't invent crochet 😂😂 its not cultural appropriation it's cultural APPRECIATION. Not a single "native" I know on my rez cares. We do get sick of other ppl being offended on our behalf though... especially when we arent even offended to begin with. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy to watch this video. Guess I'm appropriating Korean culture 🙄 sure hope you're a white middle aged male American using ur iPhone cuz if not your appropriating their culture seeing as tho Steve Jobs invented it.... see how absolutely ludicrous it is to say only the race, nationality or culture that created something should be able to use it?? Beyonce wears a head full of white blonde hair and its fine but let a white wear corn rows aka DUTCH BRAIDS and it'd cultural appropriation... the vikings were wearing braids 7 millenias before Africans but somehow its appropriating black culture to wear them 🤦🏻♀️ can you not see how utterly ridiculous that all is?!? Stop it.
@@nomdeplume2213 love your comment. I see exactly what your saying. People just get offended so easily now a days. Is it offensive if i tell people they are all immigrants unless they are Native American Indian. I have been and never thought maybe that's unacceptable and offensive to Indians. Please let me know. Thanks for your comment!🙂
@@ceegee3471Yes it is. And I'll tell you why: It's like saying the Anglo-Saxons are still migrants to England. I was freaking born in North America, my people have been there for hundreds of years, and I certainly didn't freaking migrate there, I migrated to Britain, and I'm about as welcome here as people like you make me feel in my own homeland. So where the HELL do I belong?
@@impishrebel5969 I disagree with you saying "people like me" making you feel unwelcome. First off I'm saying America is your country. Am i suppose to feel bad about what some of my ancestors may or may not have done? Your reasoning is your own but don't try and insult me by saying "people like me"! I'll never defend Indians again that's is a definite. You belong where you want to be, but you might do better if you got rid of that giant chip on your shoulder! Good day and good luck.
@impishrebel5969 "where the hell do I belong?"
I ask that all the time, especially when I find something that brings me joy and then the gatekeepers come.
"No fun for you!" 😑
Oh my goodness. My cousin had a similar spiderweb vest back in 1973! Starlily needs to realize crocheting has been around for ever and so have these kind of Halloween themed vests.
I hope the cosmic creator made it through this drama okay. They didn’t deserve any of this and I hope they were able to post their pattern and move on in their life.
Agreed. She seemed so rational, completely sensible, and super professional. Hope she continued on and didn't let one mean spirited person and their groupies hold her back.
Yeah, same. I'd also love to see her handwritten notes for her patterns, sounds awesome ☺️❣️
She actually gained alot of support so all starlily did was lose followers and give cosmic more followers by causing the drama.
Starlilly is so lost in this fantasy of a victim righteously standing up for herself that she feels very disconnected from reality. It’s especially noticeable with her series of videos where she compares herself to a fallen tree. Like, girl, someone with 200 followers *maybe* made a pattern inspired by you and instead of a normal reaction, you posted about how much of a freedom fighter for the entire community of craftspeople you are, non-stop, for an entire stories folder. If someone fell that tree, it was Starlilly herself
it’s so funny how obsessed starlily is while cosmiccrocheter is just so unbothered
Starlily has an ego the size of Texas imo. Totally goes against the brand she is selling lol & it's ridiculous. I am 62 years old & did a long jacket (vest) in the 80's, very similar. I even have pictures, should I argue she (Starlily) took my design? Absolutely ridiculous. I am an original hippie/boho/treehugger lol. I've been all over the world making things & crafting. I gave the items away. Starlily needs to grow up. For the record, I do not follow either of these creators & just happened across your video.
Truly I think that the lack of nuance people can have in these "thieving" discussions is ridiculous. *Yes* there are many instances of people or companies who outright steal designs. But like many say, there's nothing new under the sun. Two people can have similar ideas at similar times independently of each other. Not only that, but the fact that people were telling Starlilly that her design was "more detailed" or better shows that they AREN'T exactly the same like she was saying! I think it's extremely foul to weaponize your fan base in the way she did - and I firmly believe that she knew what she was doing, constantly going on and on about it, so her fans would feel hurt on her behalf and rush to her defense but she wouldn't get her own hands dirty.
Honestly, "love and light" / "positive vibrations" new age types scare the shit out of me. They're almost always sitting on top of some big unresolved anger and become completely obsessive and neurotic when something pushes their buttons.
i agree, it's much easier for her to brush off people by saying "they have low vibrations" than to actually accept that she did something wrong
I almost bought one of Starlily's patterns a few months ago but I didn't have the money. When I was looking on etsy at other patterns I found the same pattern for 1/3 of the price, if that. Thing is, this pattern was a vintage pattern that someone had updated slightly and put up for sale BEFORE starlily's ever went up. So I'm extra glad I trusted my gut and didn't buy from her.
emma doing star lily’s inflections is hilarious. the best thing to happen to me today
the way starlily responded to all this just screams unprofessional! also idk why your channel was recommended to me but you've gained yourself a sub, the way you explain this is so cohesive, easy to follow and keeps my attention! keep it up
Wait-- last year for Halloween my roommate created something almost completely identical to these designs and told me they were just freehanding off of something similar they saw on Pinterest. There's no way Starlily thinks she is the first to do this lmao