Leonardo da Vinci, Salvator Mundi and the Divine Proportion
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- A study of golden ratio proportions in art composition, focusing on those found in Leonardo da Vinci's "Salvator Mundi" (Christ as Savior of the World). See how Leonardo applied dozens of golden ratios in his greatest works of art, including The Annunciation, The Last Supper and Salvator Mundi, with comments by Dianne Dwyer Modestini, art conservator and restorer of Salvator Mundi. The analysis was performed by Gary Meisner using PhiMatrix design and analysis software, accurate to the pixel and presented here in high resolution.
Finally I understood what the Golden Ratio is. Thanks!
Leonardo da Vinci was an actual legend
IS* an actual Legend
How anyone can deny this as anything but a work by Leonardo truly blows my mind! I can’t help but be emotional when looking at it. Would be a dream to witness in person!
Thank you for this endlessly exquisite video.
As it was says...he's master in human form and in devine color, an engineer and a great mathematician.
I'm a bit obsessed by this amazing picture. Would have preferred more minimal restoration- the raw cleaned image, despite the damage, looks better although the white glued sections tend to distract the eye. Nonetheless, a really powerful work.
Anointing can’t be replicated. He said as an anointed artist. So any true artist knows that the true test is an emotional one . The emotions you feel while looking at it … you leave apart of you in your work… I feel his essence in this piece.
Thank you.
Great interpretation, thank you I will try the software
Simply incredible
this video very helpful to recognize da vinci's handwork.
There is divine proportion is anything. The eye sees what it wants to see.
Still, the two eyes are on different levels, the eyes are on different distances from the nose, only one is looking at us, one eye is panted well, the other eye is a disaster, the right hand's thumb is too small, the nose is not straight, the mouth is too small for the face, and you can see right through the orb.
What is the music that begins at approximately 1:50? It is beautiful.
What about those 3 white dots painted into the orb? It looks like coordinates to a star system.
I'm confused. The basic idea is simple enough, but I take a nosedive right between theory and practice (at the 48 second mark in this particular case). Like the first measurement, why the top of his head rather than the top of his forehead? Or his right hand, why doesn't the bottom portion include the rest of his palm?
I mean, every ratio can't be golden, right? How do we choose what is important and what isn't?
The video shows golden ratios identified using PhiMatrix software, so every set of lines shown are in golden ratio proportion to one another. We can never know exactly what was in an artist's mind, but when we see enough relationships it gives evidence to come to reasonable conclusions. The top of the head was used because my analysis revealed that this dimension provided the basis for golden ratios with the dimensions of the hand, orb and emblem on the robe - all key elements of the composition. The head is the most dominant element of the composition, so it's not an unreasonable place for da Vinci to have begun. The line at the bottom of the fingers of the right hand is also the line at the neckline of the robe. This is the basis for golden ratios in the dimensions of the thumb and index finger.
You could likely take any work of art and find a few obscure points that are in golden ratios, but that would not indicate intent by the artist. In the case of da Vinci, we know that he collaborated in the book "The Divine Proportion" and used it in other paintings. In Salvator Mundi, we find dozens of golden ratios throughout the composition. For some we have to make reasonable assumptions as to his intent, but for others da Vinci's application of the golden ratio is undeniable. As to choosing what is important, there's admittedly some artistic license in this but I think most people would agree that the lines are based on the major elements of the composition where da Vinci made a clear choice as to size and position.
I recommend watching the video in that light, knowing that some of the relationships are more certain than others, and using it as a tool to better understand his approach to composition and his application of the golden ratio.
+phimatrix1618 Well said. From my own experience and my own observation, I find when one creates something, whether a work of art or a structure, etc using the Golden Mean as a basis, one can't help but find other Divine Ratios within the work that weren't consciously intended.
Another example of people attributing meaning to things that have nothing to do with the spiritual and religious but everything to do with science and math.
or it's in da vinci's instinct that whatever he draws naturally follows a set of proportion. Not a conscious technique but something his mind passively applies to his creations. we may have interpreted it according to what we wanna see, but what makes da vinci genius is this uncanny ability... which follows the theory of why some artists can draw a perfect circle in one stroke.
@@daxbertumen8090 It is possible that Leonardo could naturally compose and draw with golden ratio proportions. What makes it unlikely that this is the full explanation is that the proportions of the most important and obvious golden ratios in the composition are accurate to within pixels on a high resolution version of the image, and the fact that Leonardo was the illustrator of the book "The Divine Proportion," published by Luca Pacioli in 1509, around the same time that Leonardo did this painting. The book talked about the benefits and importance of applying the golden ratio in the arts, and Leonardo had clear knowledge of this.
Taken way too far, considering that dimensions of the work itself are not near the golden ratio: 45.4 cm × 65.6 cm, which is a ratio between diminished fifth and the fifth. All full face forward portraits like this are bound to have more natural golden ratios than, for example, three-quarter view portraits .
The aspect ratio of the canvas has nothing to do with an artist's ability to apply the golden ratio in the composition. The golden ratio is a bit longer and narrower than most standard canvas/photo sizes. It's true that a full face forward portrait is going to show the natural golden ratios that commonly appear in the human face, but that doesn't explain the golden ratios that are found everywhere else in the painting. As I say in the conclusion of the video, we can't know that Leonardo intentionally applied EVERY golden ratio that I found in this painting, but some are so obvious and accurate to make their intentional use undeniable.
Are squiffy eyes part of this divine proportion? Still not convinced!
Ott springs to mind!
Waoo .. Finally .Thanks for this video.!
If da Vinci had discovered the Golden Ratio, and if he was the only painter to use it at this point, this video would be a bombshell. However, the Golden Ratio was known to the ancient Egyptians and Greeks, and had been in use for centuries.
It would be way more surprising if there were no Golden Ratios to be found in a painting from the Italian Renaissance.
There is no clear chain of provenance linking this flawed picture to da Vinci, and only circumstantial evidence that is anything to do with him.
Besides the magnificent picture someone knows the name of this beautiful song
"Agnus Dei" of the Four Part Mass by William Byrd (c.1540-1623). Angus Dei means Lamb of God. Performed by The Sixteen.
Imagine having autocad right before computers... Now that is legendart
Please explain why the whole painting does not fit the golden proportion.
You have to look at this through eyes of the spirit. Another words, think of the God that made this man. Ultimately, that's truth.
this is all the proof I need that it is a genuine Leonardo
Love the SYMPHONICA opera music who’s are the singers? The name of the music?
The argument is not whether Leonardo utilized the golden ratio. The argument is whether the painting was done by Leonardo, or by someone from his "school." It's entirely possible that Leonardo told his student to utilize the golden ratio. Finding a gold ratio in the painting means nothing.
I'd agree that "finding 'A' golden ratio in ANY painting" doesn't' mean much. Did you watch till the end of the video? This painting though has DOZENS of golden ratios, connecting the key elements of the composition and extending all the way down to the its most intricate details. Even the patterns in the sash illustrate unusual insight and creativity in the application of the golden ratio. This isn't something that just anyone could do. If you look at other versions of Salvator Mundi by other accomplished artists you'll see that none even came close to this level of detail and harmony of proportions. It's highly unlikely that a student told to "utilize the golden ratio" could conceive or execute this so masterfully. This same type of intricate mastery appears in "The Last Supper," which is known to be by Leonardo.
Taken a bit too far. I tend to agree with Milk Manson.
What does the figure of Christ in the 450M $ painting of " Salvatore Mundi" denote? Irrespective whether Di Vinci painted it or not.
Salvator Mundi, Latin for Saviour of the World, depicts Christ with his right hand raised in a blessing. The three fingers unfolded may also symbolize the Trinity. His left hand holds an orb, known as a globus cruciger. The orb is thought to symbolize the Earth, and testifies to his position as Savior of the world.
Além do magnifico quadro alguém sabe o nome dessa linda canção
What is the star constellation int he glass ball?
Les étoiles de la nouvelle Jérusalem brillent au dessus de Khéops
probably not
Orion
Compare the sfumato of the chin of Salvator Mundi (best seen @2:17) with his self-portrait drawing (@5:59).
It looks as if this area in the painting is the place where Leonardo was intended to paint a beard.
It was even painted in an attempt to restore the painting.
The current restoration didn't, which is the best thing to do, since it keeps the mystery.
Today you might wonder, is this very spot, painted as it should be: the trinity of the spirit (sfumato), the son (painting) and the father (beard).
Note further that there is a line going from the globe (earth) to the right hand, where the middle finger points to the middle of Salvator's fore-head, while the index finger points to heaven, saying he knows his soul will go to heaven.
No one knows what the orb is. Is not a crystal orb. Is the power of creation.
Not by Da Vinci.
Rectangles can be made anyways by changing the crop area
The key here though is to select clearly defined features of the composition, those in which Leonardo made a conscious decision on the size, position and proportion of the elements of the painting.
For instance, look at the section of the fabric that extends down from the hem of the neckline. The width of the decorative brown stone or jewel at its center is based on the golden ratio of the section of fabric. This is shown by the rectangle, divided at its golden ratio point, along with other golden ratio relationships as illustrated here:
www.goldennumber.net/leonardo-da-vinci-salvator-mundi/#jp-carousel-6849
(From the page at www.goldennumber.net/leonardo-da-vinci-salvator-mundi/)
You can't just "change a crop area" to make up any rectangle and get these results.
An examination of the evidence shows that Leonardo very frequently and accurately applied the golden ratio in his paintings. As a historical footnote, Leonardo was also the illustrator of the 1509 treatise "De Divina Proportione" (The Divine Proportion) by Luca Pacioli. This treatise extolled the benefits of using the golden ratio in the arts, and it is clear that Leonardo was well acquainted with the concepts and applications.
wow, one of the best video that i ever seen on youtube.
What does the figure of Christ in the 450M $ painting, " Salvatore Mundi" denote? Irrespective whether Di Vinci painted it or not.
Only a true Christian can reveal it, as for the rest it is just an expensive art.
Why isn't anyone showing the ratios abstracted in Genesis?
Top!
Imagine Leonardo style is so well known from Studying his genius of the years. Now imagine a painer being paid to use the knowledge to FAKE another of his painting.
Modern advances such as radiocarbon dating can prevent this kind of this from occurring
Ridiculous. Leonardo had no interest in the so-called golden ratio. That's a modern day fad. His notebooks clearly establish that he was obsessed with octagonal geometry. There are octagons prominently displayed in this painting. There is a profound octagonal basis to the de Ganay version of the Salvator Mundi, which we believe to be primary. Please see the (incomplete) video documentary which we have made about these two paintings.
Da Vinci wrote a book called the divine proportions... so it's very obvious to anyone who has followed Da Vinci's life that he did indeed have way more then just an interest in this so-called golden ratio... he was obsessed with it. it shows in all of his work including his drawings of the birds he would study in Vienna. it shows in his work on the vitruvian man as well.
Katie, you are a silly, ignorant child who should do some research. Did Leonardo write the book you reference? No. He provided illustrations for a book by Pacioli, which is not about the so-called Golden ratio. Stop pretending to know all about books you've never read! The Vitruvian Man makes no use at all of the Golden ratio. That drawing is based entirely on the Silver ratio, which is derived from the octagon. The claim that the old masters frequently used the Golden ratio is hooey promulgated by pseudoscientists and New Age anti-thinkers.
Look again at the Vitruvian Man. Can you tell me why the circle is where it is, and why it is the size it is? The answer is elegant, obvious, and incontrovertible -- once you learn the basics of octagonal geometry. You may also want to read geometer Mark Reynold's essay (available online) on Leonardo's interest in the octagon, which he drew obsessively. By contrast, his notebooks contain no drawings of the Golden ratio.
Why he likes Mona Lisa?!!
There is a lot in the painting that is very impressive but the face is not Da Vinci. All his portrait paintings the face is extremely 3d and this face is flat as can be. There's no way he would've finished this painting like this.
If you cover one side of the face - the left appears masculine and the right feminine.
Apparently Jesus in the bible has long straggly hair so he think's he's a hippy & a cross breed too greedy then. Also Leonardo tends to use the same feature's in most of his painting's so they always look like him & not much like anybody else that's not very original then.
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Just because the Golden Ratio seemed to have been used dies NIT make it a Leonardo! The nose is TOO LONG to be natural the eyes do NIT align exactly and the fabric across the 'chest' is not right, it should hang low!
If you combine Albrecht Dürer's "Salvator Mundi" and Albrecht Dürer's Self-Portrait, these merge pretty much into what you see here. So maybe it is a Dürer and not a Da Vinci.
If you place the Durer next to the so-called da Vinci you will see what a joke this all is. The Durer shows up how weak this painting is.
@@rodjones117 I agree with you that the Albrecht Dürer Self-Portrait is much better than this so-called "da Vinci."
@@jazzenthusiast4353 Just compare the eyes.
@@mazolab I think it's possible that this from the workshop of da Vinci, and that he contributed a few touches-so,yes, maybe the lower areas of the hair. However the draughtsmanship, which of course is the foundation of any classic painting, is simply not even close to Leonardo's standard.
There is no provenance to this painting, and therefore no evidence whatsoever that it is anything to do with da Vinci. As I said maybe it's from his workshop, but only maybe - there's no evidence for it.
Your faith in the "experts" is touching.
@@mazolab OK, so outline for me, step by step, the links in the chain of ownership that lead us back to da Vinci then please.
Even Martin Kemp doesn't believe there is good provenance, and demolishes several aspects of the common provenance myths in a video here on RUclips.
As to the sketches in Windsor, assuming they are by da Vinci, they are similar, but in themselves are, at most, an indicator, not absolute proof of anything. For example, da Vinci could have done the sketches for one of his followers so that he could use them to help him paint this picture. My art master used to do this for myself and my classmates.
They certainly do not in any way prove that "the design is surely by him", since they are just details, not the actual composition. The design is, of course, a standard one, ultimately derived from ancient Byzantine iconic images of Christos Pantocrator painted centuries before da Vinci was born - crediting him with the design is nonsensical.
This flawed painting could be, maybe, from the workshop with a few touches by the master (value $1 - 2 million), but that's the most it could ever be.
Like you, I wish the painting could have been left unrestored, but you couldn't sell it for $450 million (including those all-important fees) then, could you?
Money answereth all things.
Any mathematician knows that the divine proportion can be applied to anything. This piece is not 100% Leo. It’s a collaboration piece at best with either Boltraffio or Luini. Christ’s right arm is foreshortened incorrectly, the shoulders are not balanced and the drapery on Christ’s left side is not only lighter but literally stands out from the rest of the garment. Also, the color of the right hand is different from the face and chest area. However, the curls, the details in the garment and the right hand can be considered Leonardo’s. There are golden ratios in the works of thousands of artists so nothing new here.
@@mazolab An artist wouldn't have helped any better; if anything, it would've made it worse. Also, the international art community and experts wouldn't have approved of an artist like they've never approved of one in any restoration. An artist trained in a similar style would add details whereas the restorerer brings them to their original condition. This is what happened to this piece. Dianne, the restorerer, was guided by art experts and people close to Leo's style. They should've never touched it and allowed the world to see it in its original condition. And then, decide what was the best path to take. I've gone over this is so many posts and articles so I'll give you the short version: Clearly an imbalance of the shoulders (the color of the garment on the left does not match the rest of the painting). Also, the foreshortening of the arm from the blessed hand is incorrect (the color of the hand does not match the other hand or face, neck and upper chest). Compare Salvador Mundi’s eyelids to Da Vinci’s other portraits. Mundi’s superior eyelids (top) are thicker and his inferior eyelids (bottom) have no detail.
So painters use graph lines its not new or hidden haha
Its a wondraful subjects.
Probably no golden ratio at this painting
Facepalm... For the sake of making videos, everything became golden ratio....
I believe what distinguishes the true artist and genius is the ability to use phi "sub-consciously" isn't that the "talent" that we see and admire? Without phi works would not be noticed or admired. When I just sketch I just have an 'eye" for what looks "right" . Imagine how difficult it would be to purposely measure and implement the ratio down to the smallest detail. It would be a disaster 1st. 2nd it would take much longer that your inspiration or desire to complete the work.. imho
Ok, I'm stupid. Or I need numbers for these rectangles.
I’m sorry but you missed the mark on this painting..there are far more important features here unlike golden ratios which can be found literally everywhere..i won’t say(I can’t now) too much but how many people do you see? What or who’s body do you see? What exactly is this painting saying? What’s the grand message? ...right to left
Well for me i can clearly visualized secret code of every inch of Salvator mundi..
Music please ?..
So .. its Angus dei-misrere .. but what version ?
Etrick where's the beef?
music was ohsom....
And yet people think this ia not a leonardo 🤦♂️
Imagine Da Vinci planning and measuring each element of his composition.
Imagine a charlatan, creating a youtube video 500 years later, using Da Vinci's recent press to opportunistically push his debunked premise to try to sell the books that are piled up in his garage.
Imagine that this video was created and uploaded in 2014.
Imagine that the subject of the video came into the spotlight again, just a few days ago - 3 years after the video was made.
Imagine making a comment that appears to serve no other purpose than to discredit a man that you apparently don't care for.
BobbieJo Jackson - imagine making an absolutely useless and unimaginative comment.
Another example of people attributing meaning to things that have nothing to do with the spiritual and religious but everything to do with science and math.
Imagine so many people who can't find their own ass with both hands, pretending to know anything about anything. Imagine no longer, just look at the comments section.
@@mraccident Bobbie Jo Jackson has the right timing. As the video's creator, I can tell you the sequence of events: I did the research and produced the video in 2014. I was first contacted by a publisher to do a book on the golden ratio in June 2017. Salvator Mundi was sold at auction in November of 2017. My book wasn't even published until September 2018.
So Kendall Davis has his all his timing and facts wrong in his malicious comment. The appearance of the golden ratio in Salvator Mundi has not been debunked, as the evidence is quite clear and easy to corroborate. There are no books in my garage. They're all in book retail and online bookstores, and generating some very good comments and support from readers, as shown at bit.ly/goldenratiobook.
Da Vinci Illuminati too
WHY is there nothing out there about PhiMatrix, since around 6 years ago..?!!! I would figure that if it were was, and still is, a great & useful piece of software, people would be making RUclips videos and we'd be hearing about it all the time. This is the main reason for not buying it - it must have been a fad that died quickly.
Its because people find Phi and applying Phi to their art too complicated. I was watching a video about Golden Ratio vs Rule of Thirds in photography and while the Golden Ratio photo's looked significantly more stunning compared to the more static Rule of Thirds. General consensus in the comments was "golden ratio looks a lot nicer but seems more complicated so I'll stick with rule of thirds".
Keep in mind Phi as a concept is relatively easy to understand, but its quite hard to apply it to your art. If you can overcome the challenge and use it as a framework
ahhh that old lady knows the proportion thats why he junked the painting of leonardo
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Despite his genius and all this golden ratio it's far from being a very genius/interesting composition ...if I may be honest.
This painting is definitely a fake there are a ton of mistakes that Leonardo would not have made. The eyes are not strait and do not match. The neck is blurry. The blue robe does not finish on the right side of the body behind the hand and arm. The gap where the thumb is should have blue robe in it. The hand is out of proportion the pinky finger is way to small. Leonardo is known for being a perfectionist when it came to painting hands. The image of Christ is crowded into the frame. There are just too many mistakes in this painting for it to be from Leonardo.
Esa pintura es igual a mona lisa.desifra de donde es jesucristo. Todo apunta ala constelacion de leo de donde es jesus.
Beautiful music! ....$450,000,000,000 for this painting tells me that it isn't a painting but a KEY! To what I dont know? But the owner and 2nd place loser sure did😏 Probably a map to the Arc and the Holy Grail, I'm guessing the Templar vault.
The number u wrote is 450 billion. It's sold for 450 million.
What syllabus of math you learnt.... 450,000,000,000 wow golden number....
I don't especially like this image. imo it is over done with sfumato- to the point where I find it irritatingly hard to make out the face, especially the eyes. And yet what I can see of the face, to me swings between looking utterly blank or just plain smug , rather than spiritual, ethereal and wise. But I also don't like Leonardo's John the Baptist either. Another bizarrely smug face to me. But I do love his old men's faces, and young women's. It's his young men that I'm not with the zeitgeist on. Lovely hands though.
Keep in mind that this painting went through a significant restoration process, after being painted over by someone who clearly didn't understand its source or value. See a time lapse of the before and after at ruclips.net/video/ZII-wmzjgqs/видео.html. I suspect the original interpretation of the eyes was perhaps the most difficult to capture in the restoration.
Art history is a shame
The Bacchus
Maybe it was coincidence?
There's no coincidences in Art
...and there is another video discrediting this. Also all lines to art are not perfect. Not that they need be. Im not an art eye but if this was a Leonardo, I dont think its finished. There are a few glaring issues
Please be clearer in your statement and provide a link to the video that is "discrediting this." Discrediting what? Do you mean that it discredits that Salvator Mundi was created by Leonardo, or more specifically that it discredits that golden ratios appear in its composition?
@@GaryMeisner1 This video contradicts that there is such perfection in the painting. He has some pretty decent arguments. Video was created by a plastic surgeon. Take from it what you will.
Watch "Did Leonardo Da Vinci Paint the Salvator Mundi?" on RUclips
ruclips.net/video/VxNwWEJAJgk/видео.html
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Neosporno Leonardo je đinius, ali vi bez veze serete sa tim linijama . Sve te proporcije o koji.a pricate ja isto to imam na svojim slikama a strogi amater sam .
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It is not the christ! Long hair no beard. STRAIGHT collar! mens were round. look at mona lisas collar!
Look at Leonardo's "The Last Supper." There Christ is also portrayed with very minimal facial hair, just as in Salvator Mundi." You're correct that the collar was more typical of male attire in Renaissance fashion, but I would think that Leonardo intended this to be Jesus of biblical times, when a tunic or robe style of garb would have been more common for men. Note the similar appearance of the necklines in Leonardo's "The Last Supper."
its a fake
the eyes are not in line; fake drawing
@@mazolab nope, its just that di vinci didn't draw the head
@@mazolab ruclips.net/video/tU5lVV8SRHY/видео.html&ab_channel=CannonfireVideo
@@mazolab and no way was this one either
She doesn't argue the face is done by Leonardo
@@mazolab but still, doesn't match the drawing sketch inside a kings place
Judging by da Vinci's art - it should be called - "the ugly proportion".
Explain yourself
This is fake paiting !!!!
I smell shite.
As the developer of this video, I'd like to thank you for your thoughtful analysis and insightful perspective. Leonardo was the illustrator of Pacioli's "The Divine Proportion," which extolled the benefits of using the golden ratio in the arts. It is also evident in his earlier paintings, such as The Last Supper. Perhaps you could be more specific on your review of the evidence that led you to your conclusions.
Total BS. That's not how anyone paints, either then or now. It's simply impossible.
The music is nauseating. This is Da Vinci we are talking about here! He needs something more epic like Carmina Burana or Verdi’s Requiem “Dies irae” or even Disturbed - Down With The Sickness!!!!
Are you even sure its da Vinci
Look up Lord Steven Christ channel and research LSC Earth... you will know why and who the Salvator Mundi is...
THAT looks like an insane cult!!!