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  • @TheArmchairHistorian
    @TheArmchairHistorian  3 года назад +1201

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    MISTAKES:
    -4:01 Timoshenko is mentioned, but the portrait shown is Budyonny by mistake.

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 3 года назад +3702

    Eastern Front: How many encirclement campaigns do you want?
    German and Soviet Generals: Yes

    • @CatsEyethePsycho
      @CatsEyethePsycho 3 года назад +148

      Gotta love them circles. They never end.

    • @stevemc01
      @stevemc01 3 года назад +183

      @@CatsEyethePsycho A circle of encirclements.
      Circleception.

    • @ace1776
      @ace1776 3 года назад +200

      General they have encircled!
      General: well encircle them back!

    • @CoolNinja925
      @CoolNinja925 3 года назад +80

      Stalin: 👁👄👁
      Hitler: 👁👅👁

    • @CatsEyethePsycho
      @CatsEyethePsycho 3 года назад +112

      @@CoolNinja925 I think you mean: 👁◾️👁

  • @ihavetowait90daystochangem67
    @ihavetowait90daystochangem67 3 года назад +9348

    You know demonitisation has taken a toll on History RUclipsrs when they have to get sponsored by an Insurance Company

    • @dillonhunt1720
      @dillonhunt1720 3 года назад +417

      You know monetization has taken a toll on History RUclipsrs when they have to get sponsored by an Insurance Company

    • @God-yr9rs
      @God-yr9rs 3 года назад +227

      You know monetization has taken a toll on History RUclipsrs when they have to get sponsored by an Insurance Company

    • @aliencreaturei5245
      @aliencreaturei5245 3 года назад +162

      You know monetization has taken a toll on History RUclipsrs when they have to get sponsored by an Insurance Company

    • @tylerlouie8609
      @tylerlouie8609 3 года назад +447

      Its sad that a content creator as high quality and dedicated as AH can't make a profit to continue sustaining themselves because youtube doesn't understand what history is

    • @themiddlecase
      @themiddlecase 3 года назад +136

      You know History has taken a toll on Insurance Companies when they have to get sponsored by monetized RUclipsrs. Or something.

  • @DeciviousDan
    @DeciviousDan 2 года назад +1521

    In a world of reboots and remakes, I can genuinely say that I did not expect this one to be next.

    • @BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis
      @BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis 2 года назад +120

      Except unlike the Russians, Germans know how to do logistics.

    • @OverSchall
      @OverSchall 2 года назад +29

      @@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis At least they did in the past. Nowadays it's a different story...

    • @johnpalmer7263
      @johnpalmer7263 2 года назад +87

      @@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis Lol German Logistics were notoriously terrible during WW2, it's amazing how far they got considering bad it was.

    • @BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis
      @BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis 2 года назад +3

      @@johnpalmer7263 it was more of poor unhinged leadership. Germans are known for their organization and their war machine was really powerful.
      Edit: idk why I’m defending Nazi Germany, bad look, it’s good they got shwacked but it was leadership issues, kinda like Russia now lul

    • @AlexanderDoHcKou
      @AlexanderDoHcKou 2 года назад +2

      @@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis Lol,you are delusional)

  • @marsmaniac1
    @marsmaniac1 2 года назад +553

    “History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” - Mark Twain.

  • @Ashadow700
    @Ashadow700 3 года назад +3388

    "Going around them" - the 2nd most effective strategy in all of world history, only beaten out by the number 1 tactic: "Don't lose"

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +185

      I prefer the US's "annihilate from orbit" strategy. Japanese want to make you fight for every inch? Just reduce the entire battlefield to dust, then send in men to secure the dust. The only time it's really failed was in Vietnam when they blew up empty jungles while leaving actual military bases and population centers alone for the most part.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 3 года назад +94

      @@arthas640 It wasn't really a war so much as it was France invoking NATO rules to try to keep their colonial holdings in Vietnam using American forces. Ho Chi Minh knew this which is why he used attrition tactics to win.

    • @tomazlah8238
      @tomazlah8238 3 года назад +36

      @@arthas640 lol exactelly. vietnam didnot attack usa, that was bogus war with little domestic support.they could oblitared vietnam if wanted,but than SU and China would get involved.

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +38

      @@BurntPlaydoh the fighting in Iwo Jima was intense for a couple reasons:
      1. the majority of the fighting on land the US had done in the Pacific Theater had been in jungles or on fairly flat sandy islands, Iwo Jima was very rocky and had some pretty steep cliffs. This allowed the Japanese to build strong, reinforced bunkers, hard points, and other defenses that could withstand a bombardment and bombing. There were also plenty of natural and man made caves to hide in and store weaponry in.
      2. Most of the islands the US had fought on were almost always recently conquered territory but Iwo Jima was part of Japanese territory. This meant that not only were there more soldiers but there were also civilians and unlike some random useless island where the Japanese might be willing to retreat, on Iwo Jima they would fight to the last man, woman, and child. Since the Japanese expected an attack there they were dug in far more then anywhere else the Americans had gone before and they didnt have the benefit of locals to offer intel or support, and there werent really any pre-war records to fall back on either.
      3. there were civlians there and while the US didnt exactly shy away from bombing civilians they tried to avoid it so they wouldnt quit go as heavy as they probably should have since they'd assume a shorter bombardment might be enough to soften things up while still leaving some survivors for the infantry to pick up.
      4. the biggest reason for the bloodbath though was that the US _NEEDED_ that island. Iwo Jima's biggest use was as an air base to attack Japan with since their longest range fighters could still make it to Japan from Iwo Jima along with most of their bombers. Heavy bombardment would mean the air fields would be ruined and that would require tons of patching which would cost weeks or even months of work and render the whole attack largely useless. They could either go light like they did and let the infantry do the leg work. or they could level the island and take another island closer to Japan (where they'd face all the same issues mentioned above, perhaps even worse since that would give Japan more time to dig in and possibly have more soldiers and civilians to deal with). There was a major argument over the best course of action but they decided to try and take Iwo Jima intact and took heavy losses as a result. No matter what the US knew they'd take heavy losses, whether at Iwo Jima or any other major island close to Japan, but they judged it to be worth getting bombers close enough to strike the home islands without needing to take them the long way from Europe to India to China. The losses werent as heavy as you might think though, they had around 6000 deaths and that included pilots and the hits allied ships took, and for a frame of reference the allies took 7,000 deaths just to take Anzio in Italy and that was just 1 battle on their way to Rome. Iwo Jima was needed to drop the bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and for the bombings of Tokyo so 6000 men was a small price to pay to break the back of the Empire of Japan.

    • @Wolf-wc1js
      @Wolf-wc1js 3 года назад +6

      @@arthas640 Plus compared to other campaigns and battles fought, the Japanese were commanded by General Kuribayashi who like Admiral Yamamoto was opposed to war with the US because they both had lived in the US for some time prior to the war and were aware of the industrial might the US wielded. As a result, he was instrumental in ensuring that while victory was impossible for Japan, they would hold out as long as possible. As such the troops under his command made a battle for the island that the Marines predicted to take within a week last for over a month.

  • @ConradTheBeetEater
    @ConradTheBeetEater 3 года назад +2371

    "Keep men, lose land: land can be taken again. Keep land lose men: land and men are both lost."

  • @beratedbandit5196
    @beratedbandit5196 2 года назад +341

    Watching this now hits different.

  • @lordgollum3700
    @lordgollum3700 2 года назад +157

    I'm not a fan of the current live action remake

    • @hanszecrusader379
      @hanszecrusader379 2 года назад +5

      Ong not to mention they cancelled it

    • @LaVaZ000
      @LaVaZ000 Год назад +2

      @PSYKING-Ultimate Bro Germany is dumb, they should learn from Mongolia, Russia is easy to conquer if you go from the down up, then it's shorter.

  • @ricefarmer5280
    @ricefarmer5280 3 года назад +1189

    Last time I was this early the Soviet air force was still on the ground

  • @Justin-cw7zf
    @Justin-cw7zf 3 года назад +4804

    I like how Stalin’s face in this video compares to hitlers face in the operation bag ration video. Nice detail

    • @mariano98ify
      @mariano98ify 3 года назад +106

      Yes it is the same "universe" lol then the comeback is sweeter for the Soviets.

    • @shibavekreal
      @shibavekreal 3 года назад +271

      Both were genocidal dictators so ig it makes sense

    • @Neymarinet
      @Neymarinet 3 года назад +118

      Stalin rations food, hitler rations bags

    • @zoch9797
      @zoch9797 3 года назад +170

      @@shibavekreal
      Stalin more so. Truly a despicable human, but still not held to such a standard by the population at large.
      Never forget, he helped start that war.

    • @drotterton793
      @drotterton793 3 года назад +1

      Yeah I noticed that too and was gonna comment it lol.

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography 2 года назад +27

    History never repeats, but it does rhyme.

  • @ultras_fino_alla_morte
    @ultras_fino_alla_morte 2 года назад +296

    Putin: fine, i' ll do it myself

    • @milotura6828
      @milotura6828 2 года назад +16

      Reality can be what ever i want

    • @vladimirivaniovich5024
      @vladimirivaniovich5024 2 года назад +29

      @Christianupd they haven't captured it yet lmao russia is gonna lose

    • @milotura6828
      @milotura6828 2 года назад +5

      @@vladimirivaniovich5024 Nah, its sad but i think it is wishful thinking

    • @vladherasymenko543
      @vladherasymenko543 2 года назад +21

      @@milotura6828 one week passed and they are nowhere near encircling the city. Considering the Germans occupied the quasi-totality of Poland in 21 days and now it is the 17th day of the war in Ukraine, I think it is safe to say that Putin’s blitzkrieg has failed and now the Ukrainians have all chances of winning this war of attrition (if the support of the West continues, that is)

    • @jacobcatanzaro9558
      @jacobcatanzaro9558 2 года назад +3

      Yes but Putin invaded the whole country with a mere 200,000 men thinking he’d win the peoples support and wanting to keep the country intact because he needs the vital resources. He underestimated the tenacity of the Ukrainian people something hitler understand which is why hitler leveled entire cities and invaded with millions. Putin will fail to hold Ukrainian if he can even manage to take it at all

  • @IronDragon-2143
    @IronDragon-2143 3 года назад +3349

    A Field Marshal who actually fights and dies with what men he has left.
    No greater honor to be found.

    • @Aryescent
      @Aryescent 3 года назад +77

      nah if i was a field marshal i would leave.

    • @filb
      @filb 3 года назад +151

      Unlike WW1 when many top ranks stayed in the comforts of their own home (or simply far away from the trenches) while millions of men were being slaughtered...and if anybody mutinied or did not follow orders, they ended up executed even though their mission was suicidal to begin with.

    • @Mmjk_12
      @Mmjk_12 3 года назад +283

      @@filb this is actually a common myth of WWI, generals and field marshals usually were within a few miles of the front line, they innovated new tactics and methods of assualt to avoid trench charges as they were so ineffective and suicidal, the new technology at the time also forced them to change their whole understanding of war which was based on troop formation advances and cavalry charges and if you actually look it up very few are executed for desertion or cowardice.

    • @filb
      @filb 3 года назад +26

      @@Mmjk_12 I am not too sure about that, the numbers may not have been in the millions, but men like Cadorna were known to execute their own men, I think he had the highest count of around 750.

    • @juliuszkocinski7478
      @juliuszkocinski7478 3 года назад +64

      The problem is: With such a high officers every their decision probably cost or save much more lives, than their personal fighting. There's a reason why strategical command is taken away from a front, and generals fight in combat only when they don't really have a choice. It's bravery for sure, but also kind of neccesity

  • @HoLSurena
    @HoLSurena 3 года назад +2828

    Timochenko: But comrade Stalin, if we dont retreat, they are going to encircle us
    Stalin: No retreat and fight to the last man
    Timochenko: We are surrounded
    Stalin: 😮😮😮😮

  • @OakAsmr
    @OakAsmr 2 года назад +18

    RUclips recommendations wrong for this one

  • @izumithegreat4597
    @izumithegreat4597 2 года назад +18

    Here before the 2022 Battle of Kyiv

  • @antitroller101
    @antitroller101 3 года назад +3564

    German soldier: Sir, good news we have successfully encircled the four Soviet armies in Kiev
    German Commander: Ok, I knew it would not be as simple as...Wait, we did WHAT?!?

  • @tjal8709
    @tjal8709 3 года назад +400

    At 4:01 you mention that the Soviet forces in Kiev are under general command of general Timoshenko, but the portrait given shows Budyonny instead :^), just thought it'd let you know

    • @tair_papier250
      @tair_papier250 3 года назад +16

      Enjoy his mustache

    • @tjal8709
      @tjal8709 3 года назад +25

      @@tair_papier250 Ngl tho Budyonny's mustache fire

    • @KP-kg2ky
      @KP-kg2ky 3 года назад +6

      Budyonny, Stalin's mate in a way, the man who is said to have had brilliant officers killed because they believed tank warfare was more effective than Budyonny's outdated cavarly charges.
      He was Stalin's dear, that's why he wasn't killed but instead given a remote command.

    • @The_Liszty.9664
      @The_Liszty.9664 3 года назад +2

      The portrait Look liked bunyonny but timoshenko is bald and had no moustache. Budyonny is on kazahkstan.

    • @_FireHeart
      @_FireHeart 3 года назад +2

      @@tjal8709 , it’s #KyivNotKiev tho (-:

  • @ajmod73
    @ajmod73 2 года назад +10

    Watching this now hits different...

  • @thtkk
    @thtkk 2 года назад +23

    This aged well

  • @thesupremeleader9559
    @thesupremeleader9559 3 года назад +227

    "By employing the brilliant tactic of, going around them" --Armchair Historian

    • @g_superson1c255
      @g_superson1c255 3 года назад +8

      I love his sarcasm lmao

    • @sike5227
      @sike5227 2 года назад +10

      France:cries in maginot line

  • @wetwillyis_1881
    @wetwillyis_1881 3 года назад +534

    "If you're ever thrust into a major conflict far from home..."
    Me: Looks at the news.
    Also Me: Griffin, are you trying to tell me something?

    • @doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274
      @doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274 3 года назад +6

      Damn very bloody

    • @alexander8492
      @alexander8492 3 года назад +14

      Going to fight in Taiwan

    • @zaiz6018
      @zaiz6018 3 года назад +18

      @@alexander8492 I’m probably being send to Israel.
      Good luck in Asia

    • @maarten1115
      @maarten1115 3 года назад +2

      @@zaiz6018 You're an IDF soldier?

    • @zaiz6018
      @zaiz6018 3 года назад +7

      @@maarten1115 Nah but Europe got close ties with Israel
      I do although know someone that lives there. God bless em.

  • @MatyThePotato
    @MatyThePotato 2 года назад +37

    RUclips recommended did a little bit of trolling

    • @zol4996
      @zol4996 2 года назад +1

      We do a little more trolling

  • @jace7541
    @jace7541 2 года назад +17

    There's another encirclement right now!!

  • @VirtualnomadVirtualnomad
    @VirtualnomadVirtualnomad 3 года назад +712

    Respect General Kirponos, one of few high ranked military commanders to fight and die along side their men in modern history

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +81

      Especially the Soviets, who lost more high ranking officers to Stalin then the enemy.

    • @jangrosek4334
      @jangrosek4334 3 года назад +29

      in 1941 the Soviets lost many generals in a similar manner.

    • @jangrosek4334
      @jangrosek4334 3 года назад +1

      @@Publius_Staso Don't embarrass yourself. Better to spend a minute looking for information.

    • @Publius_Staso
      @Publius_Staso 3 года назад +10

      @@jangrosek4334 well done) you’re really reading what is written. And have you read the memoirs of general-colonel Glebov?

    • @selfdo
      @selfdo 3 года назад +17

      The Soviet strategy towards personnel was the same as their tanks - they were EXPENDABLE. No other nation could take such huge losses and still field an effective army as rapidly as they did. Of course, blame also Nazi arrogance, which re: Slavic peoples they didn't invent, either. Their atrocities did what not even the most inspiring officers or soldiers or airmen, nor any propagandist or political officer, could ever do...MOTIVATE the Soviet peoples to FIGHT for STALIN. Had the Germans held their bigotry in abeyance, they could have raised legions of "volunteers" to fight alongside them or at least "helpers" to do the scut work, and more than likely the "Cold War" of the latter part of the 20th century is between the USA and Nazi Germany.

  • @Robbstark2024
    @Robbstark2024 3 года назад +839

    It’s funny how the mass encirclements of the germans resemble the mass encirclements of Hannibal in the second Punic war. And in both cases their early victories didn’t stop them from getting utterly annihilated at the end of the war. I’m not saying history repeats itself, but...

    • @juliuszkocinski7478
      @juliuszkocinski7478 3 года назад +117

      Also in both cases their opponent was much larger and you can defeat them once, then couple more times, but when it comes to war of attrition... It's only matter of time before you loose. And you can't afford loosing. Same for germans, same for Hannibal

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 3 года назад +13

      Because: no resources to finish the job

    • @filthycasual8074
      @filthycasual8074 3 года назад +5

      @@juliuszkocinski7478 when your already stretched thin and continue to make poor strategic decisions

    • @gutsjoestar7450
      @gutsjoestar7450 3 года назад +15

      Hannibal was a great war lords, unfortunately for him, His brothers and other commander weren't match for the romans, Hannibal's brother was defeated and the Iberian was taken, he couldn't siege Rome as it was too late, he wanted to wait until renforcement came,
      if hannibal rushed to rome right after winning one of Rome's greatest lose in history
      It was estimated that 20 percent of Roman fighting men between the ages of 18 and 50 died at Cannae. Only 14,000 Roman soldiers escaped, and 10,000 more were captured; the rest were killed. The Carthaginians lost about 6,000 men.

    • @juliuszkocinski7478
      @juliuszkocinski7478 3 года назад +44

      ​@@filthycasual8074 I doubt it was "poor strategic decisions". Germans knew they can't win war of attricion an tried to win in a quick campaign before Soviets could even turn it into total war.
      I can't think of a better strategy for them, especially considering previous succeses in blitzkrieg (other than not attacking at all)

  • @KDZX4
    @KDZX4 2 года назад +16

    This was recommended to me today...

  • @colobolo7532
    @colobolo7532 2 года назад +17

    Ah sh*t, here we go again

  • @thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448
    @thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448 3 года назад +373

    I clicked this video faster then the 2nd panzer division

    • @miguelgarcia6493
      @miguelgarcia6493 3 года назад +12

      Not to be technical or anything but I don’t think the 2nd panzer division clicked on this video

    • @chickenwarriorr
      @chickenwarriorr 3 года назад +4

      @@miguelgarcia6493 r/woooosh

    • @miguelgarcia6493
      @miguelgarcia6493 3 года назад +3

      @@chickenwarriorr r/wooooosh

    • @connorkenway3654
      @connorkenway3654 3 года назад +2

      @@miguelgarcia6493 r/woooooooooosh

    • @Nathanel-md6uc
      @Nathanel-md6uc 3 года назад

      @@connorkenway3654 wooooooooooosh

  • @vinhmai5566
    @vinhmai5566 3 года назад +303

    Stalin’s face in the thumbnail is priceless

    • @tribunal2977
      @tribunal2977 3 года назад +5

      ruclips.net/video/AwYhpYPftlg/видео.html they did hilter the same way

    • @am1017
      @am1017 3 года назад +23

      Both of Hitler and Stalin face is priceless in bagration and Barbarossa respectively.

    • @tribunal2977
      @tribunal2977 3 года назад +1

      @@am1017 agree

    • @doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274
      @doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274 3 года назад +1

      Hiding out

    • @s4kiko_
      @s4kiko_ 3 года назад +2

      Suprise Pikachu face

  • @oliverdoodoo9991
    @oliverdoodoo9991 2 года назад +10

    Oh man, I wonder why this is being recommended to me now.

  • @sooryan_1018
    @sooryan_1018 3 года назад +503

    Gotta admit, the NKVD secret bombing tactic was pretty clever. Its like your frag killing someone after they shoot you

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +89

      The Soviets and Chinese are the only 2 people who'd pull that sort of thing off on such a scale. Most people dont have the stomach to plant bombs in their own citizens homes and also shift the blame onto said civilians. Sort of a "if i cant have them, nobody can!" sort of thing with the homes/people, just like when Peter the Great burned his peasants homes and farms to prevent Charles the Great from using them in his invasion, or when the Russians did the same to Napoleon, or China destroying their own dams and killing 900,000 of their own people to inconvenience the Japanese.

    • @EndOfSmallSanctuary97
      @EndOfSmallSanctuary97 3 года назад +42

      They just copied what the Russians had already done in 1812 when Napoleon took Moscow. Pretty much the exact same situation.

    • @HippasosofMetapontum
      @HippasosofMetapontum 3 года назад +10

      @@arthas640 Commie Tactics, Nazis were similar, raiding against their important jewish communities

    • @conradmcdougall3629
      @conradmcdougall3629 3 года назад +31

      The NKVD were the absolute worst in regards to killing innocent civilians.

    • @sooryan_1018
      @sooryan_1018 3 года назад +30

      @@conradmcdougall3629 SS and CIA - **chuckles** I'm in danger

  • @MaFo82
    @MaFo82 3 года назад +354

    Kirponos was one of the best generals the Red Army had, what a tragedy that he died so early into the conflict. He had actually been a thorn in the side of the Germans since the outset of Operation Barbarossa, primarily due to him having disobeyed Stalin by making defensive preparations before the conflict started. This led to substantial losses on the german side and was the main reason why they had to divert troops from Army Group Centre to break his defensive line.

    • @chiensyang
      @chiensyang Год назад +20

      If Kirpinos were alive, would he be more famous than Zhukov?

    • @karizmaikili4058
      @karizmaikili4058 Год назад +22

      @@chiensyang probably, yes

    • @yehor_ivanov
      @yehor_ivanov Год назад +7

      @@chiensyang it's "Kyrponos", the guy was Ukrainian)
      great cossack surname, I'd say)

    • @kohtalainenalias
      @kohtalainenalias Месяц назад

      it's easier to win when you have unlimited resources

    • @dudebro91-fn7rz
      @dudebro91-fn7rz 22 дня назад

      ​@@yehor_ivanov his name sounds greek

  • @lb4581
    @lb4581 2 года назад +11

    Why am I getting this recommended? How inexplicable

  • @number6338
    @number6338 2 года назад +13

    Hitting a little bit different right now

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek 3 года назад +85

    Stalin: Wait I don't see the encirclement
    Rundstedt: Don't worry you will

    • @Mitaka.Kotsuka
      @Mitaka.Kotsuka 3 года назад +7

      Do you see that armies the soviets have in kiev?
      Yes Mein Fürer.
      I dont wanna.

  • @ScorpoYT
    @ScorpoYT 3 года назад +2503

    Kiev? more like Stalin's stalingrad

    • @Hrosters
      @Hrosters 3 года назад +39

      I watch ur vids, comrade

    • @mrsobamad3387
      @mrsobamad3387 3 года назад +13

      Love your work man

    • @user-vf3vv8xg9w
      @user-vf3vv8xg9w 3 года назад +74

      "Stalin's stalingrad" lol, such a weird phrase xD

    • @DannyBoy777777
      @DannyBoy777777 3 года назад +13

      @ Scorpo Not really. It wasn't a crucial defeat. The claims of prisoners have been widely exaggerated. The Germans never actually counted; Glantz pits the figure as low as 300,000, far less than the actual Stalingrad.

    • @burgitech8643
      @burgitech8643 3 года назад +112

      @@DannyBoy777777 They were counted. The soviet soldiers captured were 665,000 plus 163,600 killed or injured. At Stalingrad around 90,000 German soldiers were captured, 200,000 killed. Stalingrad was only so decisive, as the Germans could not afford these casualties. The soviets easily could...

  • @frenchhonhon
    @frenchhonhon 2 года назад +13

    Putin: It's rewind time

  • @youtubewatcher4842
    @youtubewatcher4842 2 года назад +79

    Oh boy, I heard there’s a sequel coming out soon!

    • @sexygeek8996
      @sexygeek8996 2 года назад +6

      It's on the news right now.

    • @Prophylaxe
      @Prophylaxe 2 года назад +8

      This time it’s not Germany at least

    • @Fingrek
      @Fingrek 2 года назад +6

      They cancelled it, no budget left

    • @mrlime9526
      @mrlime9526 2 года назад +1

      @@Fingrek looks like all the budget went to those Russians officials jackoozie’s.

  • @streamlinedengine
    @streamlinedengine 3 года назад +250

    How the USSR sustained these mind-boggling loses in 1941/42, then wound-up hoisting the Soviet Flag atop the Reichstag, will never cease to amaze me.

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +94

      The Soviet Union had a _massive_ population while Germany was rather small by comparison. The Soviets had a population roughly double that of Germany's and Germany was also busy in Western Europe, the Balkans, and North Africa. The Germans also sent their best men to begin with while Russia had endless conscript, as the conscripts die one who survive get better and better as they gain experience while Germany couldnt cycle men out so they just lost their best and had to start send their worst. Basically Germany's quality dropped as the Soviets increased, partially because the Germans just started running out of military aged men and refused to use women until it was too late.
      Russia also had the benefit of drawing in supplies and equipment from the Allies so they didnt need to focus on manufacturing precision equipment or on R&D which left more men available for combat as you could make due with old people or children in factories and farms, and factories could focus on easier to manufacture goods while they imported precision equipment like radios.

    • @vantom6194
      @vantom6194 3 года назад +6

      Now you gotta look at how many soviet casualties for them to able to do that

    • @hayk2792
      @hayk2792 2 года назад +2

      @@vantom6194 Almost as much as Germans

    • @scevol29
      @scevol29 2 года назад +12

      @@hayk2792 USSR casualties:27.5 mln, 10.8 mln soldiers among them.
      Nazi casualties on Eastern Front:6.5 mln,5.5 mln soldiers among them.
      No they different.

    • @user-qe6qp9rn9f
      @user-qe6qp9rn9f 2 года назад +36

      @@arthas640 Only you do not take into account that the Germans occupied the territories of the USSR with a population of 50-60 million people and held them for several years. And the whole of occupied Europe worked for Germany. So there was no such preponderance in numbers, at least not exactly twice.

  • @DiracComb.7585
    @DiracComb.7585 3 года назад +72

    9:25 now I have to start wondering if we’ll get Armchair Historian comic books

  • @ShinerCCC
    @ShinerCCC 2 года назад +45

    I've been reading this book I got from a friend who moved away, called Babi Yar. It was written by Anatoli Kuznetsov, who grew up in Kiev when this encirclement happened. He lived near the gorge in the center of town where citizens were executed once the Nazis occupied the city, but didn't see any fighting in his neighbourhood when the Germans came, just looting once the newspapers announced the takeover. And bombs falling before that. He describes the Red Army retreating on horse-drawn carts, looking exhausted, and the desperate pleas to be hidden and dressed as civilians. It mentions the mining of the main buildings on the main street of Kreschatik by the NKVD.
    edit: I have read farther and his house was in the "forbidden zone" where the German military said fighting would be taking place once the Red Army counterattacked. Bombs landed right beside his house.

    • @pizzatimeee3317
      @pizzatimeee3317 Год назад

      I'm gonna read it, do you have other recommendations?

    • @raptorreddelta3986
      @raptorreddelta3986 4 месяца назад

      The Russians bombed the holocaust monument in Babi Yar

  • @finley8113
    @finley8113 2 года назад +10

    Bruh they're encircling it again.

  • @nematolvajkergetok5104
    @nematolvajkergetok5104 3 года назад +41

    11:55 "You see Ivan, when you fire Tokarev without touching trigger, Tokarev gets worn slower and you save rubles for Motherland!"

  • @jordengg3629
    @jordengg3629 3 года назад +982

    No other country in history can take 5 devastating encirclement and still fight and win, incredible

    • @joehonson4981
      @joehonson4981 3 года назад +263

      If you throw enough men against an army, they will eventually fall.

    • @kingmuddy5898
      @kingmuddy5898 3 года назад +56

      I think the US could have

    • @kevinjohn5412
      @kevinjohn5412 3 года назад +234

      The romans would like a word with you....

    • @lazr9672
      @lazr9672 3 года назад +14

      It did come at a price tho

    • @CatsEyethePsycho
      @CatsEyethePsycho 3 года назад +5

      Nice pfp. I love Ducktators.

  • @jandrov-c6856
    @jandrov-c6856 2 года назад +36

    Kiev rn: “ah sh** here we go again”

  • @britsboy2967
    @britsboy2967 2 года назад +425

    1941: kiev is encircled.
    2022: kiev is once again maybe going to be encircled (hopefully not) .
    But seriously i hope the Ukrainians can hold and see an end to this conflict. God bless the people of Ukraine 🇺🇦

    • @carloscegelski4914
      @carloscegelski4914 2 года назад +15

      Kiev will be encircled again i think

    • @britsboy2967
      @britsboy2967 2 года назад +11

      @@carloscegelski4914 sad to say i agree, hopefully however they can hold long enough for any kind of relief.

    • @degroot9914
      @degroot9914 2 года назад +7

      @@britsboy2967 the EU is to scared to do anything, I'm sorry for this, I feel ashamed. I hope Ukraine can forgive us. Many of us are serving on the Ukraine front now, even some of my friends. I pray to God the EU will see reason and if not may God have mercy on there souls

    • @deliciousnoodles5505
      @deliciousnoodles5505 2 года назад +15

      It's kinda surreal that there are Ukrainians, many in fact, that lived through both battles of Kyiv. Early 40s German invasion and now 2022 Russian invasion...

    • @degroot9914
      @degroot9914 2 года назад +5

      @@deliciousnoodles5505 another generation that's destroyed by war, even before the last generation with ptsd has died.

  • @jno9512
    @jno9512 3 года назад +28

    “When you surround an enemy, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.” - Sun Tzu

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 3 года назад +6

      the Germans in 1942 failed to close their encirclements multiple times and hundreds of thousands of Soviets escaped to fight them another day.

    • @jno9512
      @jno9512 3 года назад +2

      @@stuka80 I suppose you could look at the battle of Kiev as more of a representation of the greater Nazi approach to warfare. It’s a war of annihilation of groups like the Slavs, so getting killed or captured by the Nazis really meant the same thing for the Soviets.

    • @vantom6194
      @vantom6194 3 года назад

      @@jno9512 Yes because they did not do it in Dunkirk the german panzers halt and let the 300,000 allied troops escape to Britain..but later on this will be a grave mistake those soldiers will return to make the germans fight in 3 fronts west, east and south

    • @vantom6194
      @vantom6194 2 года назад

      @@kms_scharnhorst Nope at this stage of war USSR and Germany is still allies, France has surrendered and US has no interest in the war the best thing to do with those 300,000 prisoner if they were captured in DUNKIRK is to use it as a LEVERAGE for NEGOTIATIONS of peace with Britain without MEN and EQUIPMENT and the backlash of the love ones of those 300,000 prisoner in BRITAIN Winston CHURCHILL will force to submit to Germany.

    • @vantom6194
      @vantom6194 2 года назад

      @@kms_scharnhorst Just like i said in that STAGE of war Germany is not in conflict with US or the USSR infact the USSR is supplying the GERMANS with war materials even STALIN at that time is so amazed how germany defeated france and UK in just 6 weeks vs his winter war with finland his late reaction during operation barbarrosa unmasked how stalin feared the Germans in early days of the war.. if Germany decide to finish the war with BRITAIN at that time UK will fall

  • @galladesamurai2380
    @galladesamurai2380 3 года назад +1279

    Kiev, the biggest encirclement in history and yet not many really know much about, until now
    Edit: 10 months later, why did this get so many likes? Lmao
    Edit 2: well this aged well lmao

    • @EmperorHirohito-kv2uc
      @EmperorHirohito-kv2uc 3 года назад +52

      *Kyiv

    • @Tomas_2555
      @Tomas_2555 3 года назад +28

      @@EmperorHirohito-kv2uc *Kyiv

    • @vicenteasaro1823
      @vicenteasaro1823 3 года назад +97

      @@Tomas_2555 both Kiev and Kyiv are correct.

    • @shawnv123
      @shawnv123 3 года назад +2

      @@vicenteasaro1823 kum

    • @MrSomeonebody
      @MrSomeonebody 3 года назад +50

      @@vicenteasaro1823 Kiev is a russian version of transliteration of the city name. Which was formed during long years of Ukrainian territory occupation by ussr after WW2. They suppressed Ukrainian identity including language so if you are not one of the supporters of this ideology please prefer the second version.

  • @carpboy0077
    @carpboy0077 2 года назад +18

    The only thing on this God damn earth that has a worse sense of humour then me is the RUclips algorithm.

  • @tomtomzhang313
    @tomtomzhang313 2 года назад +11

    Putin : write that down! Write that down!!!!

  • @skymaster4743
    @skymaster4743 3 года назад +212

    Hannibal: I have caught the Romans in the greatest encirclement battle in history.
    Rundstedt: *laughs in kesselschlacht.

  • @lodzianin1973
    @lodzianin1973 3 года назад +269

    As a history enthusiast from Eastern Europe I must admit that I'm impressed by your pronounciation of Russian names. It's almost perfect (certainly better than that of other RUclipsrs):-) What's more, I appreciate your animations for their accuracy. Everything, from the details of the uniforms through the armament to the physiognomy of Russian and German military commanders is accurate and realistic. Very professional video - respect!

    • @UeArtemis2
      @UeArtemis2 Год назад +2

      But Semen Tymoshenko was a Ukrainian. So not Semyon.

    • @Gaylord69420
      @Gaylord69420 Год назад

      K

    • @commandercorl1544
      @commandercorl1544 Год назад

      His Russian pronunciation was spot on, as Russian was spoken in the Ukraine at that time. Locations and people's real names were not said, but that's only to be expected in an apolitical historical context.

    • @Testimony_Of_JTF
      @Testimony_Of_JTF Год назад

      They're Soviet commanders

    • @Testimony_Of_JTF
      @Testimony_Of_JTF Год назад

      @@commandercorl1544 I'm pretty sure Ukrainian was the official language of the Ukrainian SSR, altough many did speak Russian there (Russian was the language of the state)

  • @VoodooDangerbird
    @VoodooDangerbird 2 года назад +15

    History repeats

  • @crow1an
    @crow1an 2 года назад +9

    the algorithm has a sick sense of humour

  • @greenkoopa
    @greenkoopa 3 года назад +350

    Kirponos was a true Chad general. Rest in power my man ✊

    • @Publius_Staso
      @Publius_Staso 3 года назад +8

      He was an imbecile, who was not competent enough to manage even a single Corp

    • @jackyback2578
      @jackyback2578 3 года назад +15

      @@Publius_Staso literally an armchair general, as if you could do better lmao

    • @Publius_Staso
      @Publius_Staso 3 года назад +10

      @@jackyback2578 have you read about Crimean operation? 30000 men died just because Kirponos ignored the data of intelligence, the info about geolocation of his forces, weather info, and data about the skills of his army. In one day the entire Corp was destroyed because his commands were changing every 10 minutes, and he, himself, was running around the battlefield in delusion, stopping soldiers and asking them, why are they running, and when they answered that Germans are attacking, he yelled that this is not happening, and soldier is a traitor.
      And, yes, this data is written in Russian, so, you didn’t.
      And I don’t need to be a general to know what does imbecile look like

    • @yajrobot
      @yajrobot 3 года назад +5

      He was just an ordinary Ukrainian, nothing special lmao

    • @edmundjones8500
      @edmundjones8500 2 года назад +1

      In power? Cringe

  • @Eni504
    @Eni504 3 года назад +32

    it’s crazy how all of this actually happened

  • @briankarcher8338
    @briankarcher8338 2 года назад +30

    Fascinating timing on this video. History repeats but this time, no encirclement thankfully.

    • @elefkae7483
      @elefkae7483 2 года назад

      Oh they tried- that was the original war plan Russia came up with afterall.

    • @benvergus1573
      @benvergus1573 2 года назад

      Quite ironic how Putin talks about denazifying Ukrain, yet uses nazi tactics to win this war

  • @jelly4frog498
    @jelly4frog498 2 года назад +12

    time for a part 2

  • @darren7550
    @darren7550 3 года назад +129

    These videos are better than movies, wow

  • @leratt355
    @leratt355 3 года назад +28

    That’s what happens when you troop stack in a single tile

  • @91plm
    @91plm 2 года назад +37

    Putin: *WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!!*

  • @BrodieB762
    @BrodieB762 2 года назад +55

    I see the Ukrainian civilians haven’t changed much from throwing Molotov cocktails at tanks.. lol 😂

    • @HenriqueRJchiki
      @HenriqueRJchiki 2 года назад +5

      On a sidenote it's pretty sad seeing these two people who once fought together against extermination fighting each other instead 🥲

    • @krowaswieta7944
      @krowaswieta7944 2 года назад +8

      @@HenriqueRJchiki They dont fight each other. Russia fights Ukraine and Ukraine defends itself.

    • @a.oshankar8741
      @a.oshankar8741 2 года назад

      lmao but that's a very very bad idea in 2022

    • @raketny_hvost
      @raketny_hvost Год назад

      @@krowaswieta7944 lmao "defending" is absolute reason of being justified, okay

    • @krowaswieta7944
      @krowaswieta7944 Год назад

      @@raketny_hvost wahh? Why would country that defends itself try to 'justify' its actions? What are you up to? Let me guess: youre gonna try to tell me they are nazis?
      Well, ive heard from your propaganda that in my country we teach kids how to masturbate, that we demolish red army monuments, beat up people for speaking Russian etc. I wonder if you really believe in that bs xd...
      I mean, i guess thats a form of defense mechanism: you dont want to believe you live in a terrorist country so much that you start to believe in the most silly piece of propaganda.
      And tbh i dont get you guys... You dont mind spending billions of public money on senseless war while earning 400 or 500 dollars a month... This is just grotesque.

  • @bbcmotd
    @bbcmotd 3 года назад +159

    13:20 People tend to only talk about the Nazi's atrocities towards Jews but they were by far not the only ones, Slavic people were seen as lower beings just as well and were killed in even bigger numbers.

    • @mralbert6983
      @mralbert6983 3 года назад +62

      Exactly. What the Nazis did to the Slavs was horrific and nightmarish but people rarely ever talk about it.

    • @th3kgbdog385
      @th3kgbdog385 2 года назад +21

      @@mralbert6983 also people tend to ignore the fact that the atrocities committed by the Soviets in Berlin were largely due to the cruelty of the nazis in the early stages of the war, they ignore that violence only calls more violence

    • @jaif7327
      @jaif7327 2 года назад +9

      ppl here also forgetting those same slavs also initiated an ethnic cleansing against the germans in the east post wwii

    • @nara6540
      @nara6540 2 года назад +20

      @@jaif7327 Yeah I wonder why people would be unwilling to harbour citizens of a country who has slaughtered millions of their ethnicity. I truly wonder.

    • @vhlamingostreamsaudioconte403
      @vhlamingostreamsaudioconte403 2 года назад +14

      @@jaif7327 Germans: kill 27 million russian people, 6 million jews, 2 million jypsies, millions of poles, and etc. etc. etc...
      All those guys enter the Germany and have their revenge: "REEEE GERMAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE REEE"

  • @HistoryHustle
    @HistoryHustle 3 года назад +23

    An insane battle. Thanks for covering this!

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 3 года назад +2

      yea, pretty much the entire eastern front was insane, the western allies couldnt comprehend

    • @LaVaZ000
      @LaVaZ000 Год назад

      Yeah it was! Amazing how Ukrain- oh wait you're talking about the video.

  • @relentless6505
    @relentless6505 2 года назад +11

    I’m seeing The Sequel of this live rn

  • @charliethenecromancer4422
    @charliethenecromancer4422 2 года назад +18

    Second Battle of Kiev 2022 Edition

    • @Aqua.man045
      @Aqua.man045 2 года назад +6

      Actually third. There was a 1943 battle

    • @unhomesenzill4366
      @unhomesenzill4366 2 года назад +1

      There were many other battles there

    • @teutonic_crusader1175
      @teutonic_crusader1175 2 года назад

      Kharkov has like 6 by now...

    • @Jake-rs9nq
      @Jake-rs9nq 2 года назад

      @@Aqua.man045 There were 3 battles in Kiev in the Russian Civil War alone

  • @ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available
    @ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available 3 года назад +21

    My great grandparents didn't get out of Donetsk when they had the chance before the Kiev encirlcement and were executed along with their toddler son about a month later. My grandmother - not even 13 at the time - was the only one to escape.

    • @dzungtran314
      @dzungtran314 2 года назад +1

      Respect and salute from Vietnam

  • @bread_man6206
    @bread_man6206 3 года назад +41

    Correct me if I am wrong but at 4:01 that doesn't look like Timoshenko, but Budyonny. Or maybe he grew a mustache that looks just like it, idk
    Also great episode, I like how you are focusing more on the eastern front of WW2 which is either under represented, or misrepresented

  • @bluejesus105
    @bluejesus105 2 года назад +16

    Kiev: "I shall not be encircled again! "

    • @Brekisigurdsson2000
      @Brekisigurdsson2000 2 года назад +6

      Kyiv, not Kiev

    • @Real_SkyRipper
      @Real_SkyRipper 2 года назад

      @@Brekisigurdsson2000 Kiev it's better so it stays Kiev. English names for cities is always better otherwise good luck using the name of each city based on it's language.

    • @0xCAFEF00D
      @0xCAFEF00D 2 года назад +2

      @@Real_SkyRipper that's the Russian name.

    • @Real_SkyRipper
      @Real_SkyRipper 2 года назад

      @@0xCAFEF00D don't think so, Russia doesn't even use the same alphabet so why would they name it that? in Russia ends up like this Київ, so Kiev is pretty much english

    • @WorldHistory42
      @WorldHistory42 2 года назад

      @@0xCAFEF00D and?

  • @LeLe-bo7cs
    @LeLe-bo7cs 2 года назад +12

    Well this aged like milk

  • @oldgringo2001
    @oldgringo2001 3 года назад +22

    4:01 I think the General's portrait that pops up here is Bodyonny, not Timoshenko. He wasn't a great general, but he had the greatest mustache of the war!

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 3 года назад +28

    In one encirclement, Marshal Budyonny and some of his troops managed to escape on horse.

  • @Table4830
    @Table4830 10 месяцев назад +15

    *Just to clarify Kiev was the official name for the city in ww2
    Ukraine only made the name “Kyiv” official in 1995*

    • @thefirstkingdogo1126
      @thefirstkingdogo1126 9 месяцев назад

      So they want that name?
      Its there city so lets call it Kjiv

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo 4 месяца назад

      ​@thefirstkingdonogo1126

  • @Bill.Cipher.101
    @Bill.Cipher.101 2 года назад +10

    This aged like the CSA.

  • @larllarfleton
    @larllarfleton 3 года назад +12

    Thanks for making these! The amount of detailed videos about the Eastern front (other than about the battle of Berlin or Stalingrad) are pretty few and far between! This was excellent!

  • @fighterjet001dco7
    @fighterjet001dco7 3 года назад +32

    This is so amazing man ngl

  • @Agent_Charlie
    @Agent_Charlie 2 года назад +12

    Fast forward and Kiev is again about to be encircled. Crazy how history repeats itself.

    • @errata
      @errata 2 года назад +9

      what are you talking about, UA army is pushing them out and back on all sides, you are a month behind duide.

    • @Agent_Charlie
      @Agent_Charlie 2 года назад +3

      @@errata Thanks for the update.

    • @ernestov1777
      @ernestov1777 2 года назад +3

      @@errata lol, delusional lies.

    • @asiankingsman3038
      @asiankingsman3038 2 года назад +2

      Once Mariupol falls, you can count on Kiev getting encircled when the entire East is already taken.

    • @d.olivergutierrez8690
      @d.olivergutierrez8690 2 года назад +1

      @@asiankingsman3038 the only way the Russians are going to make progress on Kiev its if they just carpet bomb the whole city, because I don’t see them taking it with conventional methods, seeing their “stellar performance” on battle until now

  • @benkendrick8465
    @benkendrick8465 2 года назад +10

    80 years later...

    • @thebeamerdreamer
      @thebeamerdreamer 2 года назад +4

      Lmao, "the" comment that I clicked on the video for .

  • @The_Liszty.9664
    @The_Liszty.9664 3 года назад +63

    A.H: * says Semyon Timoshenko *
    Also him: * Shows photo of Budyonny *
    Me: Am i blind or wot

  • @evaristoderby6021
    @evaristoderby6021 3 года назад +6

    You don't know how much I look forward to this man's videos!
    Keep up the great content!

  • @mynamesmatthew1551
    @mynamesmatthew1551 2 года назад +20

    This month there will probably be a 2nd battle of Kiev 😂

    • @TheEGames
      @TheEGames 2 года назад +4

      there already is

    • @tomtomzhang313
      @tomtomzhang313 2 года назад +1

      @@TheEGames nope they are encircling it.

    • @G.A.C_Random
      @G.A.C_Random 2 года назад +2

      @@tomtomzhang313 what is your definition of encirclement because i had a different one

  • @fryhyh
    @fryhyh 2 года назад +17

    We're witnessing another encirclement of Kyiv

  • @BigRedFatGuy
    @BigRedFatGuy 3 года назад +17

    Amazing video, the animation is very high quality now

  • @wagdbikerider
    @wagdbikerider 2 года назад +7

    Lol at the ad... Life insurance does not pay out if you die in war

  • @dblum
    @dblum Год назад +14

    The eastern front of WW2 had many records. Most casualties, must casualties at a battle, largest tank battle, most brutal siege and many more. This front was brutal, and 4/5 of the Germans who died were on this front.

  • @Briguy1027
    @Briguy1027 2 года назад +11

    Hmmm . . . history repeats itself again and again.

  • @Knirin
    @Knirin 3 года назад +7

    Actual life insurance agent here. I am incredibly skeptical of your advertiser's ability to save 50% on a policy and keep the same face value.

  • @EndellionQT
    @EndellionQT 2 года назад +18

    "Why isn't this working for me?"
    - Vlad Putin March 2022

  • @patriotjohn3179
    @patriotjohn3179 2 года назад +10

    The sequel is here

  • @ivobednar5608
    @ivobednar5608 2 года назад +11

    It’s funny how the history is repeating itself.

  • @obiwanfisher537
    @obiwanfisher537 2 года назад +10

    This video aged well.

  • @ariatalebi1779
    @ariatalebi1779 2 года назад +10

    History repeats itself...

  • @kimchiii3200
    @kimchiii3200 2 года назад +9

    Putins been watching Armchair Historian

  • @Hdtjnddujnv
    @Hdtjnddujnv 2 года назад +27

    History repeats itself

  • @eatsh1t
    @eatsh1t 3 года назад +27

    Interesting, I’ll check this out. I thought Stalingrad was at an equal level of encirclement with the 6th army being trapped.

    • @user-gm3wr9dc9m
      @user-gm3wr9dc9m 3 года назад +2

      @Fabian Kirchgessner By the time of Stalingrad, greater german reich population was about 110 million (+half of europe as allies). Soviet population, considering occupied territories by axis, was about 120 million. Literally Wikipedia stuff, and people still misunderstand eastern front.

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 3 года назад +13

      @@user-gm3wr9dc9m what?? Germanys population including Austria didnt get near 85 million. Thats at least 35 million less than the Soviet Union. Where are you getting 110 million from?
      If youre adding its allies, which is not the same as a single unified nation under a single unified government, then be fair and add the British Empire which had at least 500 million people and the US which had 140 million to the Soviet numbers.
      So going by your standard and numbers, Germany + allies is 110 million while Soviets + allies is 760 million. So the comment by the other poster still holds true, Germany could not afford such losses while the Soviet Union can.
      This is the problem i have with people and new age historians like the youtuber TIK that try to desperately reach and make arguments on why Germany wasnt as disadvantaged or more skillfull as its enemies. Theyll make up flawed arguments like including all of Europe in Germanys stats so that it will equal Soviets as if a bunch of countries that dont speak the same language with different leaderships, commitments and goals are the same as 1 single country. Or that Germany which singlehandidly gave US, SU, Britain the toughest fight in their history was somehow composed of bumbling, incompetent generals.

    • @user-gm3wr9dc9m
      @user-gm3wr9dc9m 3 года назад +2

      @@stuka80 As I said, literal Wikipedia stuff. It places population of Germany in 1940 at 110 million, including de-facto annexed territories (primarily Czech lands), and even if we consider that fewer people were mobilized there, the loss ratio of 1:1.3 (you have to include that half of europe i was talking about, and its losses) certainly shows that USSR's victory wasn't achieved by throwing countless bodies at the enemy, WW2 didnt occur during middle ages when that kind of a tactic could be useful.

    • @user-gm3wr9dc9m
      @user-gm3wr9dc9m 3 года назад +2

      @@stuka80 And by the way, the number of PoWs during the war is comparable, but more than half of soviet prisoners died in nazi camps, but about 1/6 or 1/7 axis prisoners died in soviet camps. This skews the data, the USSR did not commit genocides against its enemies and axis did. This was an intentional policy.

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 3 года назад

      @@user-gm3wr9dc9m my source states otherwise, but lets go with your numbers, it still doesnt answer for the other factors ive laid out like the problem of equating multiple states as the same as a single unified state nor the numbers that the British commonwealth or US brings to the table.

  • @Ukpmmafighter
    @Ukpmmafighter 3 года назад +7

    I had a test of history from the german invasion of The USSR and your videos helped me a lot

  • @RetractedandRedacted
    @RetractedandRedacted 2 года назад +8

    So.... Here we are again

  • @S.Bianchi
    @S.Bianchi 2 года назад +7

    "Little did we know..."