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I prefer the US's "annihilate from orbit" strategy. Japanese want to make you fight for every inch? Just reduce the entire battlefield to dust, then send in men to secure the dust. The only time it's really failed was in Vietnam when they blew up empty jungles while leaving actual military bases and population centers alone for the most part.
@@arthas640 It wasn't really a war so much as it was France invoking NATO rules to try to keep their colonial holdings in Vietnam using American forces. Ho Chi Minh knew this which is why he used attrition tactics to win.
@@arthas640 lol exactelly. vietnam didnot attack usa, that was bogus war with little domestic support.they could oblitared vietnam if wanted,but than SU and China would get involved.
@@BurntPlaydoh the fighting in Iwo Jima was intense for a couple reasons: 1. the majority of the fighting on land the US had done in the Pacific Theater had been in jungles or on fairly flat sandy islands, Iwo Jima was very rocky and had some pretty steep cliffs. This allowed the Japanese to build strong, reinforced bunkers, hard points, and other defenses that could withstand a bombardment and bombing. There were also plenty of natural and man made caves to hide in and store weaponry in. 2. Most of the islands the US had fought on were almost always recently conquered territory but Iwo Jima was part of Japanese territory. This meant that not only were there more soldiers but there were also civilians and unlike some random useless island where the Japanese might be willing to retreat, on Iwo Jima they would fight to the last man, woman, and child. Since the Japanese expected an attack there they were dug in far more then anywhere else the Americans had gone before and they didnt have the benefit of locals to offer intel or support, and there werent really any pre-war records to fall back on either. 3. there were civlians there and while the US didnt exactly shy away from bombing civilians they tried to avoid it so they wouldnt quit go as heavy as they probably should have since they'd assume a shorter bombardment might be enough to soften things up while still leaving some survivors for the infantry to pick up. 4. the biggest reason for the bloodbath though was that the US _NEEDED_ that island. Iwo Jima's biggest use was as an air base to attack Japan with since their longest range fighters could still make it to Japan from Iwo Jima along with most of their bombers. Heavy bombardment would mean the air fields would be ruined and that would require tons of patching which would cost weeks or even months of work and render the whole attack largely useless. They could either go light like they did and let the infantry do the leg work. or they could level the island and take another island closer to Japan (where they'd face all the same issues mentioned above, perhaps even worse since that would give Japan more time to dig in and possibly have more soldiers and civilians to deal with). There was a major argument over the best course of action but they decided to try and take Iwo Jima intact and took heavy losses as a result. No matter what the US knew they'd take heavy losses, whether at Iwo Jima or any other major island close to Japan, but they judged it to be worth getting bombers close enough to strike the home islands without needing to take them the long way from Europe to India to China. The losses werent as heavy as you might think though, they had around 6000 deaths and that included pilots and the hits allied ships took, and for a frame of reference the allies took 7,000 deaths just to take Anzio in Italy and that was just 1 battle on their way to Rome. Iwo Jima was needed to drop the bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and for the bombings of Tokyo so 6000 men was a small price to pay to break the back of the Empire of Japan.
@@arthas640 Plus compared to other campaigns and battles fought, the Japanese were commanded by General Kuribayashi who like Admiral Yamamoto was opposed to war with the US because they both had lived in the US for some time prior to the war and were aware of the industrial might the US wielded. As a result, he was instrumental in ensuring that while victory was impossible for Japan, they would hold out as long as possible. As such the troops under his command made a battle for the island that the Marines predicted to take within a week last for over a month.
@@johnpalmer7263 it was more of poor unhinged leadership. Germans are known for their organization and their war machine was really powerful. Edit: idk why I’m defending Nazi Germany, bad look, it’s good they got shwacked but it was leadership issues, kinda like Russia now lul
@@shibavekreal Stalin more so. Truly a despicable human, but still not held to such a standard by the population at large. Never forget, he helped start that war.
German soldier: Sir, good news we have successfully encircled the four Soviet armies in Kiev German Commander: Ok, I knew it would not be as simple as...Wait, we did WHAT?!?
The Soviet strategy towards personnel was the same as their tanks - they were EXPENDABLE. No other nation could take such huge losses and still field an effective army as rapidly as they did. Of course, blame also Nazi arrogance, which re: Slavic peoples they didn't invent, either. Their atrocities did what not even the most inspiring officers or soldiers or airmen, nor any propagandist or political officer, could ever do...MOTIVATE the Soviet peoples to FIGHT for STALIN. Had the Germans held their bigotry in abeyance, they could have raised legions of "volunteers" to fight alongside them or at least "helpers" to do the scut work, and more than likely the "Cold War" of the latter part of the 20th century is between the USA and Nazi Germany.
Timochenko: But comrade Stalin, if we dont retreat, they are going to encircle us Stalin: No retreat and fight to the last man Timochenko: We are surrounded Stalin: 😮😮😮😮
@ Scorpo Not really. It wasn't a crucial defeat. The claims of prisoners have been widely exaggerated. The Germans never actually counted; Glantz pits the figure as low as 300,000, far less than the actual Stalingrad.
@@DannyBoy777777 They were counted. The soviet soldiers captured were 665,000 plus 163,600 killed or injured. At Stalingrad around 90,000 German soldiers were captured, 200,000 killed. Stalingrad was only so decisive, as the Germans could not afford these casualties. The soviets easily could...
Kirponos was one of the best generals the Red Army had, what a tragedy that he died so early into the conflict. He had actually been a thorn in the side of the Germans since the outset of Operation Barbarossa, primarily due to him having disobeyed Stalin by making defensive preparations before the conflict started. This led to substantial losses on the german side and was the main reason why they had to divert troops from Army Group Centre to break his defensive line.
At 4:01 you mention that the Soviet forces in Kiev are under general command of general Timoshenko, but the portrait given shows Budyonny instead :^), just thought it'd let you know
Budyonny, Stalin's mate in a way, the man who is said to have had brilliant officers killed because they believed tank warfare was more effective than Budyonny's outdated cavarly charges. He was Stalin's dear, that's why he wasn't killed but instead given a remote command.
It’s funny how the mass encirclements of the germans resemble the mass encirclements of Hannibal in the second Punic war. And in both cases their early victories didn’t stop them from getting utterly annihilated at the end of the war. I’m not saying history repeats itself, but...
Also in both cases their opponent was much larger and you can defeat them once, then couple more times, but when it comes to war of attrition... It's only matter of time before you loose. And you can't afford loosing. Same for germans, same for Hannibal
Hannibal was a great war lords, unfortunately for him, His brothers and other commander weren't match for the romans, Hannibal's brother was defeated and the Iberian was taken, he couldn't siege Rome as it was too late, he wanted to wait until renforcement came, if hannibal rushed to rome right after winning one of Rome's greatest lose in history It was estimated that 20 percent of Roman fighting men between the ages of 18 and 50 died at Cannae. Only 14,000 Roman soldiers escaped, and 10,000 more were captured; the rest were killed. The Carthaginians lost about 6,000 men.
@@filthycasual8074 I doubt it was "poor strategic decisions". Germans knew they can't win war of attricion an tried to win in a quick campaign before Soviets could even turn it into total war. I can't think of a better strategy for them, especially considering previous succeses in blitzkrieg (other than not attacking at all)
What’s so frustrating is that if History Channel made videos in the EXACT same topics as AH, they would have 0 censorship and get the best possible ads. But if Griffin and his team make a video on a topic like this, they can and will be demonetized because of “potentially offensive historical content and topics”. There’s two separate apps on purpose with RUclips & RUclips Kids. A lot of the censorship on youtube is because of pearl clutching with little kids possibly seeing certain content or corporations being super sensitive on what videos get what ads. I assure you, Colgate, no one is going to associate you with Nazis because an ad of yours ran on a WW2 RUclips documentary.
The eastern front of WW2 had many records. Most casualties, must casualties at a battle, largest tank battle, most brutal siege and many more. This front was brutal, and 4/5 of the Germans who died were on this front.
The Soviets and Chinese are the only 2 people who'd pull that sort of thing off on such a scale. Most people dont have the stomach to plant bombs in their own citizens homes and also shift the blame onto said civilians. Sort of a "if i cant have them, nobody can!" sort of thing with the homes/people, just like when Peter the Great burned his peasants homes and farms to prevent Charles the Great from using them in his invasion, or when the Russians did the same to Napoleon, or China destroying their own dams and killing 900,000 of their own people to inconvenience the Japanese.
Kiev, the biggest encirclement in history and yet not many really know much about, until now Edit: 10 months later, why did this get so many likes? Lmao Edit 2: well this aged well lmao
@@vicenteasaro1823 Kiev is a russian version of transliteration of the city name. Which was formed during long years of Ukrainian territory occupation by ussr after WW2. They suppressed Ukrainian identity including language so if you are not one of the supporters of this ideology please prefer the second version.
@@milotura6828 one week passed and they are nowhere near encircling the city. Considering the Germans occupied the quasi-totality of Poland in 21 days and now it is the 17th day of the war in Ukraine, I think it is safe to say that Putin’s blitzkrieg has failed and now the Ukrainians have all chances of winning this war of attrition (if the support of the West continues, that is)
Yes but Putin invaded the whole country with a mere 200,000 men thinking he’d win the peoples support and wanting to keep the country intact because he needs the vital resources. He underestimated the tenacity of the Ukrainian people something hitler understand which is why hitler leveled entire cities and invaded with millions. Putin will fail to hold Ukrainian if he can even manage to take it at all
As a history enthusiast from Eastern Europe I must admit that I'm impressed by your pronounciation of Russian names. It's almost perfect (certainly better than that of other RUclipsrs):-) What's more, I appreciate your animations for their accuracy. Everything, from the details of the uniforms through the armament to the physiognomy of Russian and German military commanders is accurate and realistic. Very professional video - respect!
His Russian pronunciation was spot on, as Russian was spoken in the Ukraine at that time. Locations and people's real names were not said, but that's only to be expected in an apolitical historical context.
@@commandercorl1544 I'm pretty sure Ukrainian was the official language of the Ukrainian SSR, altough many did speak Russian there (Russian was the language of the state)
Thanks for making these! The amount of detailed videos about the Eastern front (other than about the battle of Berlin or Stalingrad) are pretty few and far between! This was excellent!
The Soviet Union had a _massive_ population while Germany was rather small by comparison. The Soviets had a population roughly double that of Germany's and Germany was also busy in Western Europe, the Balkans, and North Africa. The Germans also sent their best men to begin with while Russia had endless conscript, as the conscripts die one who survive get better and better as they gain experience while Germany couldnt cycle men out so they just lost their best and had to start send their worst. Basically Germany's quality dropped as the Soviets increased, partially because the Germans just started running out of military aged men and refused to use women until it was too late. Russia also had the benefit of drawing in supplies and equipment from the Allies so they didnt need to focus on manufacturing precision equipment or on R&D which left more men available for combat as you could make due with old people or children in factories and farms, and factories could focus on easier to manufacture goods while they imported precision equipment like radios.
@@hayk2792 USSR casualties:27.5 mln, 10.8 mln soldiers among them. Nazi casualties on Eastern Front:6.5 mln,5.5 mln soldiers among them. No they different.
@@arthas640 Only you do not take into account that the Germans occupied the territories of the USSR with a population of 50-60 million people and held them for several years. And the whole of occupied Europe worked for Germany. So there was no such preponderance in numbers, at least not exactly twice.
@@jackyback2578 have you read about Crimean operation? 30000 men died just because Kirponos ignored the data of intelligence, the info about geolocation of his forces, weather info, and data about the skills of his army. In one day the entire Corp was destroyed because his commands were changing every 10 minutes, and he, himself, was running around the battlefield in delusion, stopping soldiers and asking them, why are they running, and when they answered that Germans are attacking, he yelled that this is not happening, and soldier is a traitor. And, yes, this data is written in Russian, so, you didn’t. And I don’t need to be a general to know what does imbecile look like
13:20 People tend to only talk about the Nazi's atrocities towards Jews but they were by far not the only ones, Slavic people were seen as lower beings just as well and were killed in even bigger numbers.
@@mralbert6983 also people tend to ignore the fact that the atrocities committed by the Soviets in Berlin were largely due to the cruelty of the nazis in the early stages of the war, they ignore that violence only calls more violence
@@jaif7327 Yeah I wonder why people would be unwilling to harbour citizens of a country who has slaughtered millions of their ethnicity. I truly wonder.
@@jaif7327 Germans: kill 27 million russian people, 6 million jews, 2 million jypsies, millions of poles, and etc. etc. etc... All those guys enter the Germany and have their revenge: "REEEE GERMAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE REEE"
My great grandparents didn't get out of Donetsk when they had the chance before the Kiev encirlcement and were executed along with their toddler son about a month later. My grandmother - not even 13 at the time - was the only one to escape.
4:01 I think the General's portrait that pops up here is Bodyonny, not Timoshenko. He wasn't a great general, but he had the greatest mustache of the war!
Correct me if I am wrong but at 4:01 that doesn't look like Timoshenko, but Budyonny. Or maybe he grew a mustache that looks just like it, idk Also great episode, I like how you are focusing more on the eastern front of WW2 which is either under represented, or misrepresented
@@raketny_hvost wahh? Why would country that defends itself try to 'justify' its actions? What are you up to? Let me guess: youre gonna try to tell me they are nazis? Well, ive heard from your propaganda that in my country we teach kids how to masturbate, that we demolish red army monuments, beat up people for speaking Russian etc. I wonder if you really believe in that bs xd... I mean, i guess thats a form of defense mechanism: you dont want to believe you live in a terrorist country so much that you start to believe in the most silly piece of propaganda. And tbh i dont get you guys... You dont mind spending billions of public money on senseless war while earning 400 or 500 dollars a month... This is just grotesque.
@@Icelandicmaster00 Kiev it's better so it stays Kiev. English names for cities is always better otherwise good luck using the name of each city based on it's language.
@@0xCAFEF00D don't think so, Russia doesn't even use the same alphabet so why would they name it that? in Russia ends up like this Київ, so Kiev is pretty much english
@@stuka80 I suppose you could look at the battle of Kiev as more of a representation of the greater Nazi approach to warfare. It’s a war of annihilation of groups like the Slavs, so getting killed or captured by the Nazis really meant the same thing for the Soviets.
@@jno9512 Yes because they did not do it in Dunkirk the german panzers halt and let the 300,000 allied troops escape to Britain..but later on this will be a grave mistake those soldiers will return to make the germans fight in 3 fronts west, east and south
@@kms_scharnhorst Nope at this stage of war USSR and Germany is still allies, France has surrendered and US has no interest in the war the best thing to do with those 300,000 prisoner if they were captured in DUNKIRK is to use it as a LEVERAGE for NEGOTIATIONS of peace with Britain without MEN and EQUIPMENT and the backlash of the love ones of those 300,000 prisoner in BRITAIN Winston CHURCHILL will force to submit to Germany.
@@kms_scharnhorst Just like i said in that STAGE of war Germany is not in conflict with US or the USSR infact the USSR is supplying the GERMANS with war materials even STALIN at that time is so amazed how germany defeated france and UK in just 6 weeks vs his winter war with finland his late reaction during operation barbarrosa unmasked how stalin feared the Germans in early days of the war.. if Germany decide to finish the war with BRITAIN at that time UK will fall
I've been reading this book I got from a friend who moved away, called Babi Yar. It was written by Anatoli Kuznetsov, who grew up in Kiev when this encirclement happened. He lived near the gorge in the center of town where citizens were executed once the Nazis occupied the city, but didn't see any fighting in his neighbourhood when the Germans came, just looting once the newspapers announced the takeover. And bombs falling before that. He describes the Red Army retreating on horse-drawn carts, looking exhausted, and the desperate pleas to be hidden and dressed as civilians. It mentions the mining of the main buildings on the main street of Kreschatik by the NKVD. edit: I have read farther and his house was in the "forbidden zone" where the German military said fighting would be taking place once the Red Army counterattacked. Bombs landed right beside his house.
My great grandfather served in the Battle of Kiev, he was a Soviet soldier that after the encirclement he went rogue and disguised himself as a civilian who took a boat to Spain and then to Brazil. He died at the age of 82 of natural causes.
Never ask: A womam - her age A man - his salary A 1941 German commander - how they managed to encircle more people than Soviets' South-Western Front ever had and why they stopped despite there was no enemy forces in front of them (they all were in pocket)
1941: kiev is encircled. 2022: kiev is once again maybe going to be encircled (hopefully not) . But seriously i hope the Ukrainians can hold and see an end to this conflict. God bless the people of Ukraine 🇺🇦
@@britsboy2967 the EU is to scared to do anything, I'm sorry for this, I feel ashamed. I hope Ukraine can forgive us. Many of us are serving on the Ukraine front now, even some of my friends. I pray to God the EU will see reason and if not may God have mercy on there souls
It's kinda surreal that there are Ukrainians, many in fact, that lived through both battles of Kyiv. Early 40s German invasion and now 2022 Russian invasion...
At 4:00 you have drawn Marshall Budyonnyi, whom you can recognize by his huge hussar-style mustache. He was a commander of the cavalry forces. Timoshenko was accurately shown in the beginning of this video.
@@asiankingsman3038 the only way the Russians are going to make progress on Kiev its if they just carpet bomb the whole city, because I don’t see them taking it with conventional methods, seeing their “stellar performance” on battle until now
The refusals by Hitler and Stalin to allow their troops to fallback and retreat allowed for tragic, irreplaceable losses even if critical cities or locations in the front had to be abandoned.
@Fabian Kirchgessner imagine being a russian man born around 1900 1905: uprising 1914: ww1 1917: revolution 1917: revolution 1917: civil war 1917-22ish: famine 1930s: famine 1930s: purges 1930s: mass deportations 1939: war with japan 1939:war with finland 1939:war with poland 1941: great patriotic war 1942-5: mass deportations 1945-6: famine Honestly, its more impressive people survived, and no wonder there population now is almost the same as 50 years ago.
Honestly with everything the Russians have been through in those times I can’t help but have mad respect for them. Imagine if any other country including the US took the amount of casualties they did. The Russians went through literal hell and still came out standing strong
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How has this comment 1 hour ago and the vid just got posted-
"Going around them" - the 2nd most effective strategy in all of world history, only beaten out by the number 1 tactic: "Don't lose"
I prefer the US's "annihilate from orbit" strategy. Japanese want to make you fight for every inch? Just reduce the entire battlefield to dust, then send in men to secure the dust. The only time it's really failed was in Vietnam when they blew up empty jungles while leaving actual military bases and population centers alone for the most part.
@@arthas640 It wasn't really a war so much as it was France invoking NATO rules to try to keep their colonial holdings in Vietnam using American forces. Ho Chi Minh knew this which is why he used attrition tactics to win.
@@arthas640 lol exactelly. vietnam didnot attack usa, that was bogus war with little domestic support.they could oblitared vietnam if wanted,but than SU and China would get involved.
@@BurntPlaydoh the fighting in Iwo Jima was intense for a couple reasons:
1. the majority of the fighting on land the US had done in the Pacific Theater had been in jungles or on fairly flat sandy islands, Iwo Jima was very rocky and had some pretty steep cliffs. This allowed the Japanese to build strong, reinforced bunkers, hard points, and other defenses that could withstand a bombardment and bombing. There were also plenty of natural and man made caves to hide in and store weaponry in.
2. Most of the islands the US had fought on were almost always recently conquered territory but Iwo Jima was part of Japanese territory. This meant that not only were there more soldiers but there were also civilians and unlike some random useless island where the Japanese might be willing to retreat, on Iwo Jima they would fight to the last man, woman, and child. Since the Japanese expected an attack there they were dug in far more then anywhere else the Americans had gone before and they didnt have the benefit of locals to offer intel or support, and there werent really any pre-war records to fall back on either.
3. there were civlians there and while the US didnt exactly shy away from bombing civilians they tried to avoid it so they wouldnt quit go as heavy as they probably should have since they'd assume a shorter bombardment might be enough to soften things up while still leaving some survivors for the infantry to pick up.
4. the biggest reason for the bloodbath though was that the US _NEEDED_ that island. Iwo Jima's biggest use was as an air base to attack Japan with since their longest range fighters could still make it to Japan from Iwo Jima along with most of their bombers. Heavy bombardment would mean the air fields would be ruined and that would require tons of patching which would cost weeks or even months of work and render the whole attack largely useless. They could either go light like they did and let the infantry do the leg work. or they could level the island and take another island closer to Japan (where they'd face all the same issues mentioned above, perhaps even worse since that would give Japan more time to dig in and possibly have more soldiers and civilians to deal with). There was a major argument over the best course of action but they decided to try and take Iwo Jima intact and took heavy losses as a result. No matter what the US knew they'd take heavy losses, whether at Iwo Jima or any other major island close to Japan, but they judged it to be worth getting bombers close enough to strike the home islands without needing to take them the long way from Europe to India to China. The losses werent as heavy as you might think though, they had around 6000 deaths and that included pilots and the hits allied ships took, and for a frame of reference the allies took 7,000 deaths just to take Anzio in Italy and that was just 1 battle on their way to Rome. Iwo Jima was needed to drop the bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and for the bombings of Tokyo so 6000 men was a small price to pay to break the back of the Empire of Japan.
@@arthas640 Plus compared to other campaigns and battles fought, the Japanese were commanded by General Kuribayashi who like Admiral Yamamoto was opposed to war with the US because they both had lived in the US for some time prior to the war and were aware of the industrial might the US wielded. As a result, he was instrumental in ensuring that while victory was impossible for Japan, they would hold out as long as possible. As such the troops under his command made a battle for the island that the Marines predicted to take within a week last for over a month.
Eastern Front: How many encirclement campaigns do you want?
German and Soviet Generals: Yes
Gotta love them circles. They never end.
@@CatsEyethePsycho A circle of encirclements.
Circleception.
General they have encircled!
General: well encircle them back!
Stalin: 👁👄👁
Hitler: 👁👅👁
@@CoolNinja925 I think you mean: 👁◾️👁
"Keep men, lose land: land can be taken again. Keep land lose men: land and men are both lost."
That’s the only quote by a commie that I agree with
Lmao Zedong
Was this from Mao Zedong or is my brain just messing its own memory up?
@@itstime6974 yeah thats mr zedong
@@ihavetowait90daystochangem67 same
In a world of reboots and remakes, I can genuinely say that I did not expect this one to be next.
Except unlike the Russians, Germans know how to do logistics.
@@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis At least they did in the past. Nowadays it's a different story...
@@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis Lol German Logistics were notoriously terrible during WW2, it's amazing how far they got considering bad it was.
@@johnpalmer7263 it was more of poor unhinged leadership. Germans are known for their organization and their war machine was really powerful.
Edit: idk why I’m defending Nazi Germany, bad look, it’s good they got shwacked but it was leadership issues, kinda like Russia now lul
@@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis Lol,you are delusional)
I like how Stalin’s face in this video compares to hitlers face in the operation bag ration video. Nice detail
Yes it is the same "universe" lol then the comeback is sweeter for the Soviets.
Both were genocidal dictators so ig it makes sense
Stalin rations food, hitler rations bags
@@shibavekreal
Stalin more so. Truly a despicable human, but still not held to such a standard by the population at large.
Never forget, he helped start that war.
Yeah I noticed that too and was gonna comment it lol.
Last time I was this early the Soviet air force was still on the ground
Damn you. No more formations for you. Everything is played in square.
Ouch
5 square
Please. Please stop writing "I was this early" comments it is so retarded.
Hold up...
German soldier: Sir, good news we have successfully encircled the four Soviet armies in Kiev
German Commander: Ok, I knew it would not be as simple as...Wait, we did WHAT?!?
Surprised pickachu face
But bad news sir: they have 20 more armies.
Another bad news: the Red Army just took the Reichstag
@@mapeditorjon5306 yes
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And that's why there aren't any do overs.
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@@ilovemama6997 badly
Yeah, Nazis again tried to capture Kyiv
Respect General Kirponos, one of few high ranked military commanders to fight and die along side their men in modern history
Especially the Soviets, who lost more high ranking officers to Stalin then the enemy.
in 1941 the Soviets lost many generals in a similar manner.
@@Publius_Staso Don't embarrass yourself. Better to spend a minute looking for information.
@@jangrosek4334 well done) you’re really reading what is written. And have you read the memoirs of general-colonel Glebov?
The Soviet strategy towards personnel was the same as their tanks - they were EXPENDABLE. No other nation could take such huge losses and still field an effective army as rapidly as they did. Of course, blame also Nazi arrogance, which re: Slavic peoples they didn't invent, either. Their atrocities did what not even the most inspiring officers or soldiers or airmen, nor any propagandist or political officer, could ever do...MOTIVATE the Soviet peoples to FIGHT for STALIN. Had the Germans held their bigotry in abeyance, they could have raised legions of "volunteers" to fight alongside them or at least "helpers" to do the scut work, and more than likely the "Cold War" of the latter part of the 20th century is between the USA and Nazi Germany.
Timochenko: But comrade Stalin, if we dont retreat, they are going to encircle us
Stalin: No retreat and fight to the last man
Timochenko: We are surrounded
Stalin: 😮😮😮😮
Stalin: uhh...his fault (points to Marshall Budyonny)
Budyonny: I did what now?
did i stutter
Get the grenade
The four gasping are Kirponos, Budyonny, Timosheko and Kruschev
Stalin: ok now you can retreat
I'm not a fan of the current live action remake
Ong not to mention they cancelled it
@PSYKING-Ultimate Bro Germany is dumb, they should learn from Mongolia, Russia is easy to conquer if you go from the down up, then it's shorter.
@@LaVaZ000 just don't tell mama I'm in Chechnya!
Kiev? more like Stalin's stalingrad
I watch ur vids, comrade
Love your work man
"Stalin's stalingrad" lol, such a weird phrase xD
@ Scorpo Not really. It wasn't a crucial defeat. The claims of prisoners have been widely exaggerated. The Germans never actually counted; Glantz pits the figure as low as 300,000, far less than the actual Stalingrad.
@@DannyBoy777777 They were counted. The soviet soldiers captured were 665,000 plus 163,600 killed or injured. At Stalingrad around 90,000 German soldiers were captured, 200,000 killed. Stalingrad was only so decisive, as the Germans could not afford these casualties. The soviets easily could...
Kirponos was one of the best generals the Red Army had, what a tragedy that he died so early into the conflict. He had actually been a thorn in the side of the Germans since the outset of Operation Barbarossa, primarily due to him having disobeyed Stalin by making defensive preparations before the conflict started. This led to substantial losses on the german side and was the main reason why they had to divert troops from Army Group Centre to break his defensive line.
If Kirpinos were alive, would he be more famous than Zhukov?
@@chiensyang probably, yes
@@chiensyang it's "Kyrponos", the guy was Ukrainian)
great cossack surname, I'd say)
it's easier to win when you have unlimited resources
@@yehor_ivanov his name sounds greek
Watching this now hits different.
Kiev just always seems to be the victim.
@@usul573 poor ukraine
@@usul573 The Poland of capitals
ikr its crazy
incoming wave of these fking comments
At 4:01 you mention that the Soviet forces in Kiev are under general command of general Timoshenko, but the portrait given shows Budyonny instead :^), just thought it'd let you know
Enjoy his mustache
@@tair_papier250 Ngl tho Budyonny's mustache fire
Budyonny, Stalin's mate in a way, the man who is said to have had brilliant officers killed because they believed tank warfare was more effective than Budyonny's outdated cavarly charges.
He was Stalin's dear, that's why he wasn't killed but instead given a remote command.
The portrait Look liked bunyonny but timoshenko is bald and had no moustache. Budyonny is on kazahkstan.
@@tjal8709 , it’s #KyivNotKiev tho (-:
Stalin’s face in the thumbnail is priceless
ruclips.net/video/AwYhpYPftlg/видео.html they did hilter the same way
Both of Hitler and Stalin face is priceless in bagration and Barbarossa respectively.
@@am1017 agree
Hiding out
Suprise Pikachu face
It’s funny how the mass encirclements of the germans resemble the mass encirclements of Hannibal in the second Punic war. And in both cases their early victories didn’t stop them from getting utterly annihilated at the end of the war. I’m not saying history repeats itself, but...
Also in both cases their opponent was much larger and you can defeat them once, then couple more times, but when it comes to war of attrition... It's only matter of time before you loose. And you can't afford loosing. Same for germans, same for Hannibal
Because: no resources to finish the job
@@juliuszkocinski7478 when your already stretched thin and continue to make poor strategic decisions
Hannibal was a great war lords, unfortunately for him, His brothers and other commander weren't match for the romans, Hannibal's brother was defeated and the Iberian was taken, he couldn't siege Rome as it was too late, he wanted to wait until renforcement came,
if hannibal rushed to rome right after winning one of Rome's greatest lose in history
It was estimated that 20 percent of Roman fighting men between the ages of 18 and 50 died at Cannae. Only 14,000 Roman soldiers escaped, and 10,000 more were captured; the rest were killed. The Carthaginians lost about 6,000 men.
@@filthycasual8074 I doubt it was "poor strategic decisions". Germans knew they can't win war of attricion an tried to win in a quick campaign before Soviets could even turn it into total war.
I can't think of a better strategy for them, especially considering previous succeses in blitzkrieg (other than not attacking at all)
What’s so frustrating is that if History Channel made videos in the EXACT same topics as AH, they would have 0 censorship and get the best possible ads. But if Griffin and his team make a video on a topic like this, they can and will be demonetized because of “potentially offensive historical content and topics”.
There’s two separate apps on purpose with RUclips & RUclips Kids. A lot of the censorship on youtube is because of pearl clutching with little kids possibly seeing certain content or corporations being super sensitive on what videos get what ads. I assure you, Colgate, no one is going to associate you with Nazis because an ad of yours ran on a WW2 RUclips documentary.
"By employing the brilliant tactic of, going around them" --Armchair Historian
I love his sarcasm lmao
France:cries in maginot line
An insane battle. Thanks for covering this!
yea, pretty much the entire eastern front was insane, the western allies couldnt comprehend
Yeah it was! Amazing how Ukrain- oh wait you're talking about the video.
I clicked this video faster then the 2nd panzer division
Not to be technical or anything but I don’t think the 2nd panzer division clicked on this video
@@miguelgarcia6493 r/woooosh
@@chickenwarriorr r/wooooosh
@@miguelgarcia6493 r/woooooooooosh
@@ReBrande.d wooooooooooosh
The eastern front of WW2 had many records. Most casualties, must casualties at a battle, largest tank battle, most brutal siege and many more. This front was brutal, and 4/5 of the Germans who died were on this front.
Gotta admit, the NKVD secret bombing tactic was pretty clever. Its like your frag killing someone after they shoot you
The Soviets and Chinese are the only 2 people who'd pull that sort of thing off on such a scale. Most people dont have the stomach to plant bombs in their own citizens homes and also shift the blame onto said civilians. Sort of a "if i cant have them, nobody can!" sort of thing with the homes/people, just like when Peter the Great burned his peasants homes and farms to prevent Charles the Great from using them in his invasion, or when the Russians did the same to Napoleon, or China destroying their own dams and killing 900,000 of their own people to inconvenience the Japanese.
They just copied what the Russians had already done in 1812 when Napoleon took Moscow. Pretty much the exact same situation.
@@arthas640 Commie Tactics, Nazis were similar, raiding against their important jewish communities
The NKVD were the absolute worst in regards to killing innocent civilians.
@@conradmcdougall3629 SS and CIA - **chuckles** I'm in danger
11:55 "You see Ivan, when you fire Tokarev without touching trigger, Tokarev gets worn slower and you save rubles for Motherland!"
Kiev, the biggest encirclement in history and yet not many really know much about, until now
Edit: 10 months later, why did this get so many likes? Lmao
Edit 2: well this aged well lmao
*Kyiv
@@EmperorHirohito-kv2uc *Kyiv
@@Tomas_2555 both Kiev and Kyiv are correct.
@@vicenteasaro1823 kum
@@vicenteasaro1823 Kiev is a russian version of transliteration of the city name. Which was formed during long years of Ukrainian territory occupation by ussr after WW2. They suppressed Ukrainian identity including language so if you are not one of the supporters of this ideology please prefer the second version.
History never repeats, but it does rhyme.
Stalin: Wait I don't see the encirclement
Rundstedt: Don't worry you will
Do you see that armies the soviets have in kiev?
Yes Mein Fürer.
I dont wanna.
No other country in history can take 5 devastating encirclement and still fight and win, incredible
If you throw enough men against an army, they will eventually fall.
I think the US could have
The romans would like a word with you....
It did come at a price tho
Nice pfp. I love Ducktators.
"If you're ever thrust into a major conflict far from home..."
Me: Looks at the news.
Also Me: Griffin, are you trying to tell me something?
Damn very bloody
Going to fight in Taiwan
@@alexander8492 I’m probably being send to Israel.
Good luck in Asia
@@zaiz6018 You're an IDF soldier?
@@maarten1115 Nah but Europe got close ties with Israel
I do although know someone that lives there. God bless em.
Hannibal: I have caught the Romans in the greatest encirclement battle in history.
Rundstedt: *laughs in kesselschlacht.
Lots of crying
Also Rundstedt: Hold my Panzer
*v Rundstedt. The only one you don't do that with is Paulus.
Putin: fine, i' ll do it myself
Reality can be what ever i want
@Christianupd they haven't captured it yet lmao russia is gonna lose
@@vladimirivaniovich5024 Nah, its sad but i think it is wishful thinking
@@milotura6828 one week passed and they are nowhere near encircling the city. Considering the Germans occupied the quasi-totality of Poland in 21 days and now it is the 17th day of the war in Ukraine, I think it is safe to say that Putin’s blitzkrieg has failed and now the Ukrainians have all chances of winning this war of attrition (if the support of the West continues, that is)
Yes but Putin invaded the whole country with a mere 200,000 men thinking he’d win the peoples support and wanting to keep the country intact because he needs the vital resources. He underestimated the tenacity of the Ukrainian people something hitler understand which is why hitler leveled entire cities and invaded with millions. Putin will fail to hold Ukrainian if he can even manage to take it at all
As a history enthusiast from Eastern Europe I must admit that I'm impressed by your pronounciation of Russian names. It's almost perfect (certainly better than that of other RUclipsrs):-) What's more, I appreciate your animations for their accuracy. Everything, from the details of the uniforms through the armament to the physiognomy of Russian and German military commanders is accurate and realistic. Very professional video - respect!
But Semen Tymoshenko was a Ukrainian. So not Semyon.
K
His Russian pronunciation was spot on, as Russian was spoken in the Ukraine at that time. Locations and people's real names were not said, but that's only to be expected in an apolitical historical context.
They're Soviet commanders
@@commandercorl1544 I'm pretty sure Ukrainian was the official language of the Ukrainian SSR, altough many did speak Russian there (Russian was the language of the state)
9:25 now I have to start wondering if we’ll get Armchair Historian comic books
An illustration book would be goat, ngl
i'd buy that
This is so amazing man ngl
Kiev rn: “ah sh** here we go again”
Thanks for making these! The amount of detailed videos about the Eastern front (other than about the battle of Berlin or Stalingrad) are pretty few and far between! This was excellent!
How the USSR sustained these mind-boggling loses in 1941/42, then wound-up hoisting the Soviet Flag atop the Reichstag, will never cease to amaze me.
The Soviet Union had a _massive_ population while Germany was rather small by comparison. The Soviets had a population roughly double that of Germany's and Germany was also busy in Western Europe, the Balkans, and North Africa. The Germans also sent their best men to begin with while Russia had endless conscript, as the conscripts die one who survive get better and better as they gain experience while Germany couldnt cycle men out so they just lost their best and had to start send their worst. Basically Germany's quality dropped as the Soviets increased, partially because the Germans just started running out of military aged men and refused to use women until it was too late.
Russia also had the benefit of drawing in supplies and equipment from the Allies so they didnt need to focus on manufacturing precision equipment or on R&D which left more men available for combat as you could make due with old people or children in factories and farms, and factories could focus on easier to manufacture goods while they imported precision equipment like radios.
Now you gotta look at how many soviet casualties for them to able to do that
@@vantom6194 Almost as much as Germans
@@hayk2792 USSR casualties:27.5 mln, 10.8 mln soldiers among them.
Nazi casualties on Eastern Front:6.5 mln,5.5 mln soldiers among them.
No they different.
@@arthas640 Only you do not take into account that the Germans occupied the territories of the USSR with a population of 50-60 million people and held them for several years. And the whole of occupied Europe worked for Germany. So there was no such preponderance in numbers, at least not exactly twice.
it’s crazy how all of this actually happened
RUclips recommended did a little bit of trolling
We do a little more trolling
You don't know how much I look forward to this man's videos!
Keep up the great content!
In one encirclement, Marshal Budyonny and some of his troops managed to escape on horse.
These videos are better than movies, wow
We don’t got time for boring actors
I would be happy to see this battle in movie from German perspective
That is true. :)
RUclips recommendations wrong for this one
Kirponos was a true Chad general. Rest in power my man ✊
He was an imbecile, who was not competent enough to manage even a single Corp
@@Publius_Staso literally an armchair general, as if you could do better lmao
@@jackyback2578 have you read about Crimean operation? 30000 men died just because Kirponos ignored the data of intelligence, the info about geolocation of his forces, weather info, and data about the skills of his army. In one day the entire Corp was destroyed because his commands were changing every 10 minutes, and he, himself, was running around the battlefield in delusion, stopping soldiers and asking them, why are they running, and when they answered that Germans are attacking, he yelled that this is not happening, and soldier is a traitor.
And, yes, this data is written in Russian, so, you didn’t.
And I don’t need to be a general to know what does imbecile look like
He was just an ordinary Ukrainian, nothing special lmao
In power? Cringe
13:20 People tend to only talk about the Nazi's atrocities towards Jews but they were by far not the only ones, Slavic people were seen as lower beings just as well and were killed in even bigger numbers.
Exactly. What the Nazis did to the Slavs was horrific and nightmarish but people rarely ever talk about it.
@@mralbert6983 also people tend to ignore the fact that the atrocities committed by the Soviets in Berlin were largely due to the cruelty of the nazis in the early stages of the war, they ignore that violence only calls more violence
ppl here also forgetting those same slavs also initiated an ethnic cleansing against the germans in the east post wwii
@@jaif7327 Yeah I wonder why people would be unwilling to harbour citizens of a country who has slaughtered millions of their ethnicity. I truly wonder.
@@jaif7327 Germans: kill 27 million russian people, 6 million jews, 2 million jypsies, millions of poles, and etc. etc. etc...
All those guys enter the Germany and have their revenge: "REEEE GERMAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE REEE"
Always good when you guys upload
The only thing on this God damn earth that has a worse sense of humour then me is the RUclips algorithm.
My great grandparents didn't get out of Donetsk when they had the chance before the Kiev encirlcement and were executed along with their toddler son about a month later. My grandmother - not even 13 at the time - was the only one to escape.
Respect and salute from Vietnam
4:01 I think the General's portrait that pops up here is Bodyonny, not Timoshenko. He wasn't a great general, but he had the greatest mustache of the war!
They said his moustache was bigger than his brain
Correct me if I am wrong but at 4:01 that doesn't look like Timoshenko, but Budyonny. Or maybe he grew a mustache that looks just like it, idk
Also great episode, I like how you are focusing more on the eastern front of WW2 which is either under represented, or misrepresented
I see the Ukrainian civilians haven’t changed much from throwing Molotov cocktails at tanks.. lol 😂
On a sidenote it's pretty sad seeing these two people who once fought together against extermination fighting each other instead 🥲
@@HenriqueRJchiki They dont fight each other. Russia fights Ukraine and Ukraine defends itself.
lmao but that's a very very bad idea in 2022
@@krowaswieta7944 lmao "defending" is absolute reason of being justified, okay
@@raketny_hvost wahh? Why would country that defends itself try to 'justify' its actions? What are you up to? Let me guess: youre gonna try to tell me they are nazis?
Well, ive heard from your propaganda that in my country we teach kids how to masturbate, that we demolish red army monuments, beat up people for speaking Russian etc. I wonder if you really believe in that bs xd...
I mean, i guess thats a form of defense mechanism: you dont want to believe you live in a terrorist country so much that you start to believe in the most silly piece of propaganda.
And tbh i dont get you guys... You dont mind spending billions of public money on senseless war while earning 400 or 500 dollars a month... This is just grotesque.
That’s what happens when you troop stack in a single tile
A.H: * says Semyon Timoshenko *
Also him: * Shows photo of Budyonny *
Me: Am i blind or wot
I had a test of history from the german invasion of The USSR and your videos helped me a lot
Why am I getting this recommended? How inexplicable
"I'm not stuck in here with you, YOU'RE stuck in here with...okay, I'm stuck in here with you, HEEEELP!"
Kiev: "I shall not be encircled again! "
Kyiv, not Kiev
@@Icelandicmaster00 Kiev it's better so it stays Kiev. English names for cities is always better otherwise good luck using the name of each city based on it's language.
@@Real_SkyRipper that's the Russian name.
@@0xCAFEF00D don't think so, Russia doesn't even use the same alphabet so why would they name it that? in Russia ends up like this Київ, so Kiev is pretty much english
@@0xCAFEF00D and?
This was recommended to me today...
Putin: It's rewind time
the algorithm has a sick sense of humour
There's another encirclement right now!!
This aged well
Oh boy, I heard there’s a sequel coming out soon!
It's on the news right now.
This time it’s not Germany at least
They cancelled it, no budget left
@@Fingrek looks like all the budget went to those Russians officials jackoozie’s.
“When you surround an enemy, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.” - Sun Tzu
the Germans in 1942 failed to close their encirclements multiple times and hundreds of thousands of Soviets escaped to fight them another day.
@@stuka80 I suppose you could look at the battle of Kiev as more of a representation of the greater Nazi approach to warfare. It’s a war of annihilation of groups like the Slavs, so getting killed or captured by the Nazis really meant the same thing for the Soviets.
@@jno9512 Yes because they did not do it in Dunkirk the german panzers halt and let the 300,000 allied troops escape to Britain..but later on this will be a grave mistake those soldiers will return to make the germans fight in 3 fronts west, east and south
@@kms_scharnhorst Nope at this stage of war USSR and Germany is still allies, France has surrendered and US has no interest in the war the best thing to do with those 300,000 prisoner if they were captured in DUNKIRK is to use it as a LEVERAGE for NEGOTIATIONS of peace with Britain without MEN and EQUIPMENT and the backlash of the love ones of those 300,000 prisoner in BRITAIN Winston CHURCHILL will force to submit to Germany.
@@kms_scharnhorst Just like i said in that STAGE of war Germany is not in conflict with US or the USSR infact the USSR is supplying the GERMANS with war materials even STALIN at that time is so amazed how germany defeated france and UK in just 6 weeks vs his winter war with finland his late reaction during operation barbarrosa unmasked how stalin feared the Germans in early days of the war.. if Germany decide to finish the war with BRITAIN at that time UK will fall
Oh man, I wonder why this is being recommended to me now.
Bruh they're encircling it again.
Putin: *WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!!*
I've been reading this book I got from a friend who moved away, called Babi Yar. It was written by Anatoli Kuznetsov, who grew up in Kiev when this encirclement happened. He lived near the gorge in the center of town where citizens were executed once the Nazis occupied the city, but didn't see any fighting in his neighbourhood when the Germans came, just looting once the newspapers announced the takeover. And bombs falling before that. He describes the Red Army retreating on horse-drawn carts, looking exhausted, and the desperate pleas to be hidden and dressed as civilians. It mentions the mining of the main buildings on the main street of Kreschatik by the NKVD.
edit: I have read farther and his house was in the "forbidden zone" where the German military said fighting would be taking place once the Red Army counterattacked. Bombs landed right beside his house.
I'm gonna read it, do you have other recommendations?
The Russians bombed the holocaust monument in Babi Yar
Actual life insurance agent here. I am incredibly skeptical of your advertiser's ability to save 50% on a policy and keep the same face value.
Man to be honest this guy has an awesome sense of animating. Get him an oscar, he obviously deserves more than 1 million subscribers
Hitting a little bit different right now
Fascinating timing on this video. History repeats but this time, no encirclement thankfully.
Oh they tried- that was the original war plan Russia came up with afterall.
Quite ironic how Putin talks about denazifying Ukrain, yet uses nazi tactics to win this war
Watching this now hits different...
My great grandfather served in the Battle of Kiev, he was a Soviet soldier that after the encirclement he went rogue and disguised himself as a civilian who took a boat to Spain and then to Brazil. He died at the age of 82 of natural causes.
Never ask:
A womam - her age
A man - his salary
A 1941 German commander - how they managed to encircle more people than Soviets' South-Western Front ever had and why they stopped despite there was no enemy forces in front of them (they all were in pocket)
"A hungry wolf is stronger than a satisfied dog"
- Ukranian Proverb
as a ukrainian i don't know such proverb.
also almost any wolf is stronger than a dog
@@righthomosphere7962 "Don't believe everything you see on the internet." ~ Abraham Lincoln
@@righthomosphere7962 What's the point of your comment? Do you have anything else to complain about?
@@DylarianTalks i'm not complaining. whats the point of your comment?
Also, a satisfied wolf is stronger than a hungry dog.
Lol at the ad... Life insurance does not pay out if you die in war
He uploaded! It's Christmaaaas!
*Dr Who vibes*
This is one of the greatest channels in youtube history. Outstanding !
1941: kiev is encircled.
2022: kiev is once again maybe going to be encircled (hopefully not) .
But seriously i hope the Ukrainians can hold and see an end to this conflict. God bless the people of Ukraine 🇺🇦
Kiev will be encircled again i think
@@carloscegelski4914 sad to say i agree, hopefully however they can hold long enough for any kind of relief.
@@britsboy2967 the EU is to scared to do anything, I'm sorry for this, I feel ashamed. I hope Ukraine can forgive us. Many of us are serving on the Ukraine front now, even some of my friends. I pray to God the EU will see reason and if not may God have mercy on there souls
It's kinda surreal that there are Ukrainians, many in fact, that lived through both battles of Kyiv. Early 40s German invasion and now 2022 Russian invasion...
@@deliciousnoodles5505 another generation that's destroyed by war, even before the last generation with ptsd has died.
Ah sh*t, here we go again
At 4:00 you have drawn Marshall Budyonnyi, whom you can recognize by his huge hussar-style mustache. He was a commander of the cavalry forces. Timoshenko was accurately shown in the beginning of this video.
It’s funny how the history is repeating itself.
Here before the 2022 Battle of Kyiv
I’m surprised I’ve not heard more about such a big WW2 battle as this one. Fascinating.
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends.😊
Bless you too mate❇
This battle was ignored by all soviet historians, as well as blaming germans for explosions in whole citycentre
It's cause the Germans were making some hay.
Another big one you probably never heard of is Dubno-Brody
@@scotttracy9333 I looked it up! Once again, I had not. Thanks for the recommendation there.
It's amazing how similar were both Stalin and Hithler. Command "NO RETREAT" was the the biggest mistake for both of them
Fortunately the soviets could afford to make mistakes like those the same could not be said for the nazis
Hitler was a bad guy but he knew way more than stalin about military
Honey I was work today?
Generalfeldmarschall Gerd von Rundstedt: Good I encircled 4 armies.
The amount of loses in that battle are staggering, more than the whole war for some. I've never really learned about the battles in the east before.
Hitler: You-kraine? More like OUR-kraine
Wouldn't that be Stalin?
Putin: "Write that down, write that down!"
Fast forward and Kiev is again about to be encircled. Crazy how history repeats itself.
what are you talking about, UA army is pushing them out and back on all sides, you are a month behind duide.
@@errata Thanks for the update.
@@errata lol, delusional lies.
Once Mariupol falls, you can count on Kiev getting encircled when the entire East is already taken.
@@asiankingsman3038 the only way the Russians are going to make progress on Kiev its if they just carpet bomb the whole city, because I don’t see them taking it with conventional methods, seeing their “stellar performance” on battle until now
Griffin: "It is the largest encirclement in military history."
South Africa: "That's nothing!"
*Declares war on Lesotho*
"Biggest Encirclment in History"
Hoi4 players: "So...its a challenge?"
ywnbaw ypwuyrnwyd
*Just to clarify Kiev was the official name for the city in ww2
Ukraine only made the name “Kyiv” official in 1995*
So they want that name?
Its there city so lets call it Kjiv
@thefirstkingdonogo1126
@@thefirstkingdogo1126yes but in this context it's Kiev.
We don't call it the Siege of Petrograd and the Battle of Volvograd
And 80 years later, Kiev is encircled again.
81 years and the Russians have encircled the city.
It’s not even close to being encircled
@@ivandebekker3468 look at the maps)
@@snaymer1858 and they took back the suburb.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Who
Simeon: “sir we should retreat.”
Stalin: “no no you stay.”
Man, RUclips algorithm has a really weird sense of humor.
The refusals by Hitler and Stalin to allow their troops to fallback and retreat allowed for tragic, irreplaceable losses even if critical cities or locations in the front had to be abandoned.
Putins been watching Armchair Historian
The amount of suffering these poor eastern Europeans have endured throughout history is truly shocking
@Fabian Kirchgessner imagine being a russian man born around 1900
1905: uprising
1914: ww1
1917: revolution
1917: revolution
1917: civil war
1917-22ish: famine
1930s: famine
1930s: purges
1930s: mass deportations
1939: war with japan
1939:war with finland
1939:war with poland
1941: great patriotic war
1942-5: mass deportations
1945-6: famine
Honestly, its more impressive people survived, and no wonder there population now is almost the same as 50 years ago.
Honestly with everything the Russians have been through in those times I can’t help but have
mad respect for them. Imagine if any other country including the US took the amount of casualties they did. The Russians went through literal hell and still came out standing strong
@@dezbiggs6363 or in the napoleonic wars where the punishment for dodging a cannon ball while in rank was being whipped to near death
@@viktorrodriguez5660 right now russians are being limited in rights in the baltics and nobody talks about it
@@dezbiggs6363 Russians started half of these wars, you mention, and organised the 1930s famine in which Ukrainians died.