I agree with you on revisionism; when a work of history or biography states at its beginning what the current consensus is and why there is good reason to dissent and disagree tend to be exciting projects to read, because even if one does not agree throughout the reading of the revision, the experience is at the very least exciting because it trusts that you have spent time in the subject and is leaving you, the reader, to wrestle with that shared base of information to decide what an adequate interpretation of a period, an event, a life, may be.
Oooo, Auchincloss! Love his work. I think The Rector of Justin, The Education of Oscar Fairfax, and The Headmaster’s Dilemma would stand up to a careful reread. And yes, I do see the pattern there. I remember when I first read The Man Behind the Book and Love without Wings; I was beguiled by his elegant prose and his knowledge of the subjects. ETA: geez, could this possibly nerdier?
I bought the 1st edition of the Shakespeare controversy book in the UK for an arm and a leg. It was fun, but I am unconvinced. I tend to think we will never know unless some archive comes up with additional information. I had fun arguing with the book, but am unconvinced as to th authorship, however, I would read any reasonably written book on the subject. To be honest, the important thing is the body of plays and the way the playwright develops over his career. I love the plays and can live with the uncertainty of the identity and life of writer.
Well, Shakespeare isn't listed or described as an actor during his lifetime - and plenty of actors in his lifetime couldn't read much more than the bare minimum!
Is that the same Charlton Ogburn who wrote The Winter Beach and The Adventure of Birds?! I discovered him here on your channel last year, and I've been delighted by his books. Now I've got to find a copy of The Mysterious William Shakespeare!
I have a hard time seeing how anti-Stratfordian theories are founded on anything except snobbery. Shakespeare does seem to have been a petty, middle-class businessman, but to suggest that means he was incapable of writing the plays seems presumptuous.
Hah! Oh come now! Two things: a) is there another example in the Elizabethan period of a petty middle-class businessman writing great literature? and b) is there an example anywhere in human history of a petty middle-class businessman writing works like Henry IV Part 1 or Midsummer Night's Dream (much less King Lear)? A petty middle-class businessman - one with no schooling, no languages, and no travel that can be proven - COULDN'T have written the works of Shakespeare. Not for class reasons, but just for practical reasons!
@@saintdonoghue Yes, but the only reason you're saying there's no proof that he had any schooling is because you're already assuming he didn't write the plays! The plays themselves, attributed to him by contemporaries, are direct evidence of his literacy and of at least some schooling. Also, there's nothing in the plays that make it necessary that their writer was well-traveled. Every historical and geographical detail could have been gleaned from books. In addition, Shakespeare makes significant errors in his writings about foreign lands- the famous mention of the "Bohemian coast" in Winter's Tale, for example. Finally, whatever more the plays may be (and they are of course infinitely more) they were clearly designed to entertain and make money. They respond to trends and capitalize on contemporary events. In other words, they were written by a shrewd businessman, not a financially secure man of leisure.
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Congrats on 17K Steve! 20K coming in no time!
This channel will never, in fact, reach 20K!
I agree with you on revisionism; when a work of history or biography states at its beginning what the current consensus is and why there is good reason to dissent and disagree tend to be exciting projects to read, because even if one does not agree throughout the reading of the revision, the experience is at the very least exciting because it trusts that you have spent time in the subject and is leaving you, the reader, to wrestle with that shared base of information to decide what an adequate interpretation of a period, an event, a life, may be.
You're making me jealous with all these trips to the Brattle!
When you visit, we’ll go together! You can head straight for the Dudebro section!
Oooo, Auchincloss! Love his work. I think The Rector of Justin, The Education of Oscar Fairfax, and The Headmaster’s Dilemma would stand up to a careful reread. And yes, I do see the pattern there. I remember when I first read The Man Behind the Book and Love without Wings; I was beguiled by his elegant prose and his knowledge of the subjects. ETA: geez, could this possibly nerdier?
Um, no - this couldn't possibly be nerdier!
Ah! Medical mysteries. I always enjoyed the Berton Rouche pieces in The New Yorker.
You're dating yourself!
@@saintdonoghue Alas, we can’t all be sexy 28 year old influencers.
@@StephaniePatterson-jb5it That's true! I must remember to be patient with all your Oldie McOldersons!
Brideshead Revisited ❤❤❤
Well, if you ever need to be pushed into another book-buying spree, I'd be more than happy to oblige...
Hah! Haven’t you done enough damage for one week?
Congrats on getting a book for Shaketember this early!
17K subscribers! Time for a Q & A?
Maybe it’ll go back down?
@@saintdonoghue Maybe take a few subscribers out to the gravel pit?
As I recall, you can visit the schoolroom in Stratford where he went to school.
You can indeed visit the local grammar school - but there's no evidence that Shakespeare ever even visited the place, much less enrolled there!
I bought the 1st edition of the Shakespeare controversy book in the UK for an arm and a leg. It was fun, but I am unconvinced. I tend to think we will never know unless some archive comes up with additional information. I had fun arguing with the book, but am unconvinced as to th authorship, however, I would read any reasonably written book on the subject. To be honest, the important thing is the body of plays and the way the playwright develops over his career. I love the plays and can live with the uncertainty of the identity and life of writer.
Shakespeare is listed as an actor so he must have known how to read. Who is the actor listed in the playbill? Oxford or William from Stratford?
Well, Shakespeare isn't listed or described as an actor during his lifetime - and plenty of actors in his lifetime couldn't read much more than the bare minimum!
@@saintdonoghue 🤔 still thinking
Is that the same Charlton Ogburn who wrote The Winter Beach and The Adventure of Birds?! I discovered him here on your channel last year, and I've been delighted by his books. Now I've got to find a copy of The Mysterious William Shakespeare!
It is indeed the same Charlton Ogburn! I wait patiently for a copy of "The Adventure of Birds" to re-appear at the Brattle -
Try Elmer Kelton for June on the range
I've very much liked the Elmer Kelton I've read for earlier versions of June on the Range! But it feels like I'm being pulled to L'Amour ...
I have a hard time seeing how anti-Stratfordian theories are founded on anything except snobbery. Shakespeare does seem to have been a petty, middle-class businessman, but to suggest that means he was incapable of writing the plays seems presumptuous.
Hah! Oh come now! Two things: a) is there another example in the Elizabethan period of a petty middle-class businessman writing great literature? and b) is there an example anywhere in human history of a petty middle-class businessman writing works like Henry IV Part 1 or Midsummer Night's Dream (much less King Lear)? A petty middle-class businessman - one with no schooling, no languages, and no travel that can be proven - COULDN'T have written the works of Shakespeare. Not for class reasons, but just for practical reasons!
@@saintdonoghue Yes, but the only reason you're saying there's no proof that he had any schooling is because you're already assuming he didn't write the plays! The plays themselves, attributed to him by contemporaries, are direct evidence of his literacy and of at least some schooling. Also, there's nothing in the plays that make it necessary that their writer was well-traveled. Every historical and geographical detail could have been gleaned from books. In addition, Shakespeare makes significant errors in his writings about foreign lands- the famous mention of the "Bohemian coast" in Winter's Tale, for example.
Finally, whatever more the plays may be (and they are of course infinitely more) they were clearly designed to entertain and make money. They respond to trends and capitalize on contemporary events. In other words, they were written by a shrewd businessman, not a financially secure man of leisure.