would love to see a comparison benchmark against the rog ally when it drops. The memory speeds in the GPD are superior to the Ally but the bios updates and firmware changes might make it closer
Yeah we have the ROG Ally on order, just waiting until next week for the launch. We will be doing all the usual benchmarks and comparing with the WM2 2023 etc.
@@DroiX_Storedoes the gpd win max 2 2023 support free synch. The gpd win 4 had stuttering issues reported bc of the lack of support. Worried the same issue will be on the max 2. Does it also support freesync when attached to an eternal mointor. Was there any stuttering issues?
@@SupremeJarJar The 60Hz issue on the Win 4 has been fixed with a firmware update. To be honest many people did not know of this issue until it was mentioned in a video and explained how to notice it. So for many people it is a non-issue. As far as I know the Win MAX 2 2023 does not have the issue as it was related to the Win 4 display and the WM2 2023 has a totally different one.
Yeah a bit of a delay. We have new staff joining the team and some other important work to be done so we were a little delayed for the review. But new staff means we can get more content out now so it is great!
I’ve waited on this model for months just bc of the oculink port. I hope it’s worth it. Could have bought the 6800u version but it doesn’t have that port
The G1 dock could be a game changer for these handhelds. Its an easy way to get connected and we are expecting great things. We hope to get our hands on the G1 soon and do a full review!
The only thing I've been let down by, is the refresh rate. 60 is fine, I wish it were 72 or 90 atleast. VRR would've made this incredible. I wish that 7400MT/s RAM speed were more reliable on my unit as well.
Yeah providing the power bank has enough capacity and power output it is definitely possible.I've added it to the list for something we might look into further in a future video. Thanks.
Old post but I thought I'd reply just in case anyone else sees this vid and asks themselves the same question (I did)! Yes, you can run any of the GPD handhelds from a power bank. However it needs to be a Power Delivery 3.0 bank with an output of 40W or above to be able to keep up with the WinMax2's hunger. Ideally power banks with an output of 65-100W would be best as they can keep the battery topped up even on the most demanding games. A 25000mAh battery will almost double the running time. WARNING: If you put in a power bank that doesn't output fast enough, then the Win Max 2 will try to charge the power bank, rather than the other way around!
Looks more expensive than the rog ally. I'm feeling the burn too because I ordered the onexplayer around January 2023 and don't get me wrong I love it But these things can't compete
Im thinking of selling my rtx3060 11geni7 laptop for this. I think graphics are good enough with this but MUCH more portable and comfortable to use. also will this support nvidia egpu?
Yeah, you can use an eGPU in the 'traditional' way with a GPU enclosure + PSU etc. Or wait for the GPD G1 which is a docking station with an AMD GPU built in to it.
Ahhh been waiting for this. Will droix be packaging the wm2 2023 with g1 once it launches? Also when preordering i dont see an lte option. Will there be an option to order lte module with it like the 2022 wm2? Finally. With 780m being an igpu and relying on system memory for vram, any noticeable benefits to 64 vs 32 gb ram for gaming? Thanks! Look forward to purchasing it.
No noticeable benefits with the higher ram in gaming. 32gb is even overkill unkess you will be doing ram intensive tasks like video editing. Ram speed is what is important
We do not have anything confirmed with regards to a bundle but we hope to do so. The G1 pre-orders will be available soon, we are just waiting on final pricing, release date etc. Regarding the LTE module, we are looking into it at the moment, it means adding three extra SKU to the product page for it to be preinstalled. We have not tried the 32GB RAM option yet, only 64GB so we cant confirm any differences. I think you would see differences between 16GB and 32GB due to VRAM usage, but for 32GB vs 64GB you probably wont see much difference unless you have a lot of apps open etc.
We now have VR in the office but no time recently. Next week going forward we will have more time to dedicate to videos and social media in general so we can check out VR on some different devices.
Oh, cmon, the price on these are just insane fr, i dont care how premium it is. Also, for me, it doesnt help, that my country has a 27% VAT (and the wages isnt that good either for the average pepole). BUT OH GOD, HOW MUCH I WANT ONE.
You can play either, as its a handheld and the games being played it makes more sense to use the controller. For games like strategy games you could use keyboard + mouse.
The 7840u is not much better than the 6800u (2022) version. So I think it has almost the same performance as the Ryzen 5 7640u (2023), no more than %10 difference, while the price difference is %20!!! It's hard to choose between the two honestly.
Keep in mind that these are unoptimised drivers. We are still waiting for proper AMD official release of drivers for these CPUs. There should be an overall performance increase and reliability.
Are these drivers available now? If so how do I go about downloading them? When trying the 7840u drivers from the amd page I get an error code 205 and the solution isn't working that's provided. Some help would be greatly appreciated!!
@@zombies_glutesAMD released them a few weeks ago then removed them due to performance issues. You will keep getting error 205 or others. For now stick with the drivers already installed as they work far better than these latest ones.
Do i really need the 32gb version if i dont mind running games at least on the same way i play them on the steam deck? Im looking to get one as a travel replacement only not for a main work station
Keep in mind the RAM is also shared with the GPU so it will take up to 4GB. On a 16GB you will have 12GB then take away Windows and any other software you are running. 16GB is fine for most cases, but 32GB makes things a bit easier.
Sorry for that, we changed the colours in this video as there was more data to show. We will make them look more identifiable next time. Thanks for the feedback.
@@Franciscodecasa I would recommend redoing the fingerprint recognition setup again. I recently done that with my phone as I found when pressing from certain angles it would not recognise. Moving the angle of your finger while setting up helped it be more reliable.
We did not do the exact same test but the battery life is comparable. It is around 2 hours for them running at Cinebench and Street Fighter 6 benchmark on a loop.
@@thecoolestdaniel4554 Do you mean the buttons on the bottom of the handheld shown at 1:21 in the video? We might have got confused what you mean by "backpaddles".
Always interesting to see that performance increase from 20w to 28w is negligible. These machines should practically never be run above 20w on battery.
It depends on the settings you use in particular, run a game on lower settings and you can run with a lower TDP. If you are on power supply you can run with a higher TDP, up to say 28W though.
@@DroiX_Store When you see benchmarks of the 7840u vs Steamdeck it's apparent that this chip has a fairly narrow sweet spot from 15w to 20w. At 10w the steamdeck performs dramatically better, which is just insane coming from a much older chip, 7840u just is not good at low watts. And of course the benchmarks here already show you gain nest to nothing running over 20w.
@@budthecyborg4575 There is a small performance increase from 20 to 28W, it can depend on the game in some cases whether it benefits much or not. Forza Horizon 5 is a good example if I remember right. But definitely after 28W it is barely anything and a waste of battery power.
@@budthecyborg4575 Forza is 93 FPS at 20W and 129 at 28W which is a 32% increase. You wont get this for every game obviously, but you can get some large increases in performance.
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would love to see a comparison benchmark against the rog ally when it drops. The memory speeds in the GPD are superior to the Ally but the bios updates and firmware changes might make it closer
Yeah we have the ROG Ally on order, just waiting until next week for the launch. We will be doing all the usual benchmarks and comparing with the WM2 2023 etc.
@@DroiX_Storedoes the gpd win max 2 2023 support free synch. The gpd win 4 had stuttering issues reported bc of the lack of support. Worried the same issue will be on the max 2. Does it also support freesync when attached to an eternal mointor. Was there any stuttering issues?
@@SupremeJarJar The 60Hz issue on the Win 4 has been fixed with a firmware update. To be honest many people did not know of this issue until it was mentioned in a video and explained how to notice it. So for many people it is a non-issue. As far as I know the Win MAX 2 2023 does not have the issue as it was related to the Win 4 display and the WM2 2023 has a totally different one.
@@DroiX_Store what's the issue? With the win 2023
@@DroiX_StoreHi, so did you get ally?
Win 2 max or Ally for games?)
Great review, thanks. I've got mine on order.
Great!
Took almost 2weeks but thank God the video is finally here
Yeah a bit of a delay. We have new staff joining the team and some other important work to be done so we were a little delayed for the review. But new staff means we can get more content out now so it is great!
@@DroiX_Store oh sure that is great
My god, hall effect, should be default by now, slim bessled at 2560x1600, nice.
Magnets could loose it's charge though eventually.
@@wahidpawana424 way later than potentiometers wear out tho
@50086gtyou big corpo shill?
Can't wait to get mine. 🤩
Can you get me one too
@@foreskinracer8753 lol
I’ve waited on this model for months just bc of the oculink port. I hope it’s worth it. Could have bought the 6800u version but it doesn’t have that port
The G1 dock could be a game changer for these handhelds. Its an easy way to get connected and we are expecting great things. We hope to get our hands on the G1 soon and do a full review!
You can use the smal pcie ssd storage to use a oculink on the 6800u.
The only thing I've been let down by, is the refresh rate. 60 is fine, I wish it were 72 or 90 atleast. VRR would've made this incredible. I wish that 7400MT/s RAM speed were more reliable on my unit as well.
I reckon we will see higher refresh rates in the next model if they make one.
The Older Winmax 2 with the 680 graphics is on CEX for 950 pounds which seems a great deal. 32GB Ram version. So I dunno which to buy.
What did you decide?
I'd honestly buy the 2023 version just for the improved performance, it's a worthy upgrade if you don't have the previous version.
Not planning to buy an EGPU? Then get the new one. Buy the older one otherwise
What’s that side scrolling samurai game he’s playing?
It says the name at 12:58
@@DroiX_Store thanks!
can you charge the device with a powerbank to extend playing time, and if so can you recommend any and/or specs? sorry total newbie...
Yeah providing the power bank has enough capacity and power output it is definitely possible.I've added it to the list for something we might look into further in a future video. Thanks.
Old post but I thought I'd reply just in case anyone else sees this vid and asks themselves the same question (I did)!
Yes, you can run any of the GPD handhelds from a power bank. However it needs to be a Power Delivery 3.0 bank with an output of 40W or above to be able to keep up with the WinMax2's hunger. Ideally power banks with an output of 65-100W would be best as they can keep the battery topped up even on the most demanding games. A 25000mAh battery will almost double the running time.
WARNING: If you put in a power bank that doesn't output fast enough, then the Win Max 2 will try to charge the power bank, rather than the other way around!
Looks more expensive than the rog ally. I'm feeling the burn too because I ordered the onexplayer around January 2023 and don't get me wrong I love it But these things can't compete
How? They are better devices than the Ally
Im thinking of selling my rtx3060 11geni7 laptop for this. I think graphics are good enough with this but MUCH more portable and comfortable to use. also will this support nvidia egpu?
Yeah, you can use an eGPU in the 'traditional' way with a GPU enclosure + PSU etc. Or wait for the GPD G1 which is a docking station with an AMD GPU built in to it.
I use my 6800u with occulink and 4070ti when at home, works flawlessly and has replaced my desktop completely
My sister's laptop's lookin like it needs an upgrade. Bonus points for the ability to hide the gaming hardware.
Exactly. Business in the front, party in the back :)
@@DroiX_Store The quad channel, 7500 memory helps keep the APU well fed. A feature missing in the Win 4 Pro.
Ahhh been waiting for this. Will droix be packaging the wm2 2023 with g1 once it launches? Also when preordering i dont see an lte option. Will there be an option to order lte module with it like the 2022 wm2?
Finally. With 780m being an igpu and relying on system memory for vram, any noticeable benefits to 64 vs 32 gb ram for gaming?
Thanks! Look forward to purchasing it.
No noticeable benefits with the higher ram in gaming. 32gb is even overkill unkess you will be doing ram intensive tasks like video editing. Ram speed is what is important
We do not have anything confirmed with regards to a bundle but we hope to do so. The G1 pre-orders will be available soon, we are just waiting on final pricing, release date etc. Regarding the LTE module, we are looking into it at the moment, it means adding three extra SKU to the product page for it to be preinstalled.
We have not tried the 32GB RAM option yet, only 64GB so we cant confirm any differences. I think you would see differences between 16GB and 32GB due to VRAM usage, but for 32GB vs 64GB you probably wont see much difference unless you have a lot of apps open etc.
@@DroiX_Store thanks for the info!
@@AugustineKusiDuah-bk4fr good to know
we have options for with and without 4G LTE module on the stores now
Would it be possible to test how well the 2023 max 2 does in VR(I’m curious whether playing half life alyx on it would make me vomit lol)?
We now have VR in the office but no time recently. Next week going forward we will have more time to dedicate to videos and social media in general so we can check out VR on some different devices.
its a possibility but the framerate would choppy since the igpu performance something similar to a 1060 mobile
It would probably handle low settings at 60+ I guess. But for high settings and 90 fps + you would have to plug an external GPU through oculink.
Does the SSD expansion slot support NVME drives? Or only regular M2 non NVME?
only NVMe
Oh, cmon, the price on these are just insane fr, i dont care how premium it is.
Also, for me, it doesnt help, that my country has a 27% VAT (and the wages isnt that good either for the average pepole).
BUT OH GOD, HOW MUCH I WANT ONE.
Why play joystick when keyboard and mouse
You can play either, as its a handheld and the games being played it makes more sense to use the controller. For games like strategy games you could use keyboard + mouse.
The 7840u is not much better than the 6800u (2022) version. So I think it has almost the same performance as the Ryzen 5 7640u (2023), no more than %10 difference, while the price difference is %20!!!
It's hard to choose between the two honestly.
Keep in mind that these are unoptimised drivers. We are still waiting for proper AMD official release of drivers for these CPUs. There should be an overall performance increase and reliability.
Are these drivers available now? If so how do I go about downloading them? When trying the 7840u drivers from the amd page I get an error code 205 and the solution isn't working that's provided. Some help would be greatly appreciated!!
@@zombies_glutesAMD released them a few weeks ago then removed them due to performance issues. You will keep getting error 205 or others. For now stick with the drivers already installed as they work far better than these latest ones.
Do i really need the 32gb version if i dont mind running games at least on the same way i play them on the steam deck? Im looking to get one as a travel replacement only not for a main work station
Keep in mind the RAM is also shared with the GPU so it will take up to 4GB. On a 16GB you will have 12GB then take away Windows and any other software you are running. 16GB is fine for most cases, but 32GB makes things a bit easier.
How does this device compares with the rog ally?
We compare the Win MAX 2 2023 with the ROG Ally and AYA NEO 2S in our video at ruclips.net/video/JACpSOxnsQo/видео.html
Any chance you can post the cinebench single core score?
Yeah, i'll check and add it in pinned comment tomorrow morning.
@@DroiX_Store Followup question were these tests running off of battery or was it plugged in?
why do you make the bar graphs almost the same color? it gets confusing
Sorry for that, we changed the colours in this video as there was more data to show. We will make them look more identifiable next time. Thanks for the feedback.
Wish I had it
Does the fingerprint reader work better than in previous model?
We have tried both previously and did not have any issues with either to be honest. Did you have a problem with yours?
@@DroiX_Store Well, not problems but it does not seem as realiable as the one in mobile phones by far...
@@Franciscodecasa I would recommend redoing the fingerprint recognition setup again. I recently done that with my phone as I found when pressing from certain angles it would not recognise. Moving the angle of your finger while setting up helped it be more reliable.
Hi
Is there a discount code for this item?
Unfortunately no. Our sale finished on Friday... but if you don't mind waiting a couple of days we have a Christmas sale starting.
Is this more powerful than the Asus ally z1
It's pretty much the exact same hardware.
One last question. Any difference in battery life between the 2022 vs 2023 version?
We did not do the exact same test but the battery life is comparable. It is around 2 hours for them running at Cinebench and Street Fighter 6 benchmark on a loop.
@@DroiX_Store thanks. Great to know.
What about backpaddles?
To be honest I rarely use them on any handheld. You can configure what the buttons do in the GPD software.
@@DroiX_Store yeah you get an entire keyboard which is backlit so it doesn't matter all that much
But there are two of them right?
@@thecoolestdaniel4554 Do you mean the buttons on the bottom of the handheld shown at 1:21 in the video? We might have got confused what you mean by "backpaddles".
@@DroiX_Store i dunno what else to call them
If you meant those two buttons then backpaddles makes sense :) I dont use them on any handhelds or with my controller on desktop PC that often.
Always interesting to see that performance increase from 20w to 28w is negligible.
These machines should practically never be run above 20w on battery.
It depends on the settings you use in particular, run a game on lower settings and you can run with a lower TDP. If you are on power supply you can run with a higher TDP, up to say 28W though.
@@DroiX_Store When you see benchmarks of the 7840u vs Steamdeck it's apparent that this chip has a fairly narrow sweet spot from 15w to 20w.
At 10w the steamdeck performs dramatically better, which is just insane coming from a much older chip, 7840u just is not good at low watts.
And of course the benchmarks here already show you gain nest to nothing running over 20w.
@@budthecyborg4575 There is a small performance increase from 20 to 28W, it can depend on the game in some cases whether it benefits much or not. Forza Horizon 5 is a good example if I remember right. But definitely after 28W it is barely anything and a waste of battery power.
@@DroiX_Store At 28w you're spending 50% more energy for maybe 10% gain, make the OS remind people of that fact and no-one would ever run above 20w.
@@budthecyborg4575 Forza is 93 FPS at 20W and 129 at 28W which is a 32% increase. You wont get this for every game obviously, but you can get some large increases in performance.
When will this ship?
August
We do not have an exact date just yet. But we are expecting the first batch in August, the G1 dock will be around the same time as well.
What’s the refresh rate on this ?
60Hz
From your store when
We are expecting them roughly around the 6th August. You can pre-order yours at go.droix.co.uk/bRRSCZ (Worldwide) and go.droix.co.uk/JEpmhP (UK)
@@DroiX_Store ok
@@DroiX_Store because I think its been moved up so what would happen then
If you mean we get them earlier or later from GPD then we send them out as soon as we get them. There is no sales embargo etc. if early.
@@DroiX_Store ok thank you
'Coupon" winmax25off" does not exist!'
Sorry about that, I've just reported it to the team and they will fix it shortly.
@@DroiX_Store The code works now but just seems to save £3.14 off the deposit price, is that correct?
@@simonwood3638 Yeah its calculating the deposit and final balance separate. So the rest of the 5% discount will be deducted from the final balance.