Martin Scorsese's FRANK SINATRA Movie - Unmade Biopics
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Martin Scorsese's ''Sinatra'' remains one of the great unmade films of our time, here's the full story on why ''Sinatra'', and ''Dino'' and ''Gershwin'' before it, would ultimately descend into development hell.
Timestamps;
0:00 - The Gershwin project
1:56 - The Dean Martin project
9:46 - The Frank Sinatra project
22:09 - ''Frank Sinatra Has a Cold''
30:10 - Harlaan Ellison Tells a Story
40:26 - The Project Dies
41:16 - Conclusion / End Credits
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You totally miss Dean Martins real torment and crushing tragic event. When he lost his son Deano he fell into an inconsolable depression from which he would never fully recover.
Yeah, I was waiting for that but it never came.
Dino.
I know it’s dead, but I’ve always held out hope one day we’ll get Scorsese’s Sinatra film
In my humble opinion,, Scorsese is absolutely the only one of the Hollywood Elite that could give the project the authenticity such an Iconic representation of the era requires.I don't think Coppola could pull it off.
Or at least a film akin to it.
I'm very shocked this movie has not happened!! I would think scores easy would have the pole to get a movie like this done! 🤔🤔🤔 WHAT IF???
Well what do you know
@@emerald6733 buddy let’s gooooo
Pleasw update this video! This one is so good! It will be even better now with a happier ending
I spent much of my teenage years and early adulthood keeping up on the news of this biopic, every rumor, every interview or commentary, barely able to wait for it to come out. I eventually understood that it would never come to be, but didn't understand why. Thank you so, so much for this video essay, it finally shed light on the history of such a complex project!
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it!
Dude, same.
@Frankie Ortiz Cool
His family didn't let Martin Scorsese do it.
Big part is the current music world is made up of guitar players with no talent. I'm 85 & long for the musical talents of the past to happen again. Alas!
When an artists' life so hectic even Martin himself finds it tricky. He truly did, have it his way. RIP Mr Sinatra.
This video aged like fine wine
Jim Carrey as Jerry Lewis is the best casting I've ever heard.
@Ben Labelle And for the British version of this message: Lee Evans as Norman Wisdom.
Same with Hanks as Dean Martin! =)
I had the exact same reaction. That could be Jim's Oscar.
It's not the best it's the most DUH!!!! casting ever. 😂😂😂😂
Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra would be amazing
If the movie had existed I would have seen Micheal Keaton in old Sinatra
This video was made so well, I came across it by accident and didn't plan to watch the entire thing-but watched the entire thing because it was so interesting. Good Job!
The way he describes the sinatra film storytelling timeline it sounds like what he did with the Irishman
Well, personally I think priorities are all screwed up. There should be a documentary on Gershwin. And I think the kids need to learn what Gershwin was about. And I think they would want to once they got into hearing his addictive scores in styles. I think we might have a whole new bunch of kids wanting to learn to compose and play piano. Well, that's my two cents on the subject.
Gershwin had character and integrity. Better role model than Franky.
Who here wants Scorcese to pick up the project again on Netflix?
Me
I do, but I hope he goes for a no-name actor. Dicaprio looks NOTHING like him.
DiCaprio would be great as Sinatra, especially because of us knowing how good he is at portraying real-life people. He also 'kind of' resembled Sinatra in The Wolf of Wall Street.
Tripleblade 82 Scorsese did say that if he were to make the picture, that the actor would be (realistically) lip syncing over his voice, since no one comes close to him in terms of his singing voice.
He has that Sinatra spark!
Hugh Grant as Peter Lawford sounds interesting. It’s so sad that it is never going to get made.
Dean's life is so deep and complex etc. I don't know how anyone could pull it off to do it justice. I am sure Scorsese feels the same way! Dean was not an easy person to figure out. He didn't cry to the press about his life life like Frank did, he was more private. However the book they are referencing is very good but Dean had nothing to do with it as he had checked out after his son died. Very sad ending for Dean but he was and is the King of Cool and always will be. RIP Dean!
You can't make films about these people. They're unique, and so much more impressive than anyone who could be cast to play them.
I think you are right !
Your video essays are fascinating. Keep them coming; always look forward to them.
Just masterful work here, the interviews, particularly the Ellison piece, to me after watching this several times, in some ways I've seen the rough cut of the film! And also seen clearly why the film can only be a film of the mind. There is no movie here, far too complex. For either Dino or Frank. And the book on Dino is really a masterpiece.
This sounds very much like what happened with Bohemian Rhapsody. Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to make a film about something, but as Queen were the producers they insisted on a watered down film for a mass audience of people who just wanted to bop their heads to the songs. This is why biopics shouldn't be produced by their subjects or people with a financial interest in them.
He would have been brilliant in it. Instead I can barely remember tha film
The biopic should be the celebration of the legend singer and not to humiliated the passed singer..It should be remembered the music he made and how he became famous as musician
@@daisyperegrino6380 Either's valid. But both Scorsese's Sinatra and SBC's Queen film would have been interesting in having an outsider examine this for the human interest and insight. Otherwise you get what's basically a filmed concert. Fine if you want that, but not if you don't.
Day Lewis and Hanks as the Gershwin brothers? How did this not happen?
No doubt eh.
@Tripleblade 82 According to the producer yeah, but I don't think that would have actually been true with the public. Not many people these days really know or care about Jimmy Hoffa, and yet the Irishman is a huge deal currently. If the film has a stellar cast, director...etc, that will sell it.
@Tripleblade 82 You raise good points. I do think a good story brought to life by great filmmakers is often enough though. Hacksaw Ridge is another one that comes to mind as a true story that was screen-worthy even though Desmond T. Doss wasn't a household name. There are others. I'll also admit my bias in that I'd love to see Scorsese's Gershwin movie 😊.
@Tripleblade 82 Same! There's a Scorsese film festival happening at TIFF here now in Toronto and I'm hoping to get a chance to see at least one or two of the classics on the big screen.
@Tripleblade 82 I'll go with Goodfellas. Might be a typical answer but it's a giant for a reason. Yours?
This is the first video by this channel I've seen, and I have got to say I am seriously impressed. This is so well done, perfectly narrated, deeply researched and highly entertaining and educational. Great great job.
Thank you very much!
It would be cool to have a Dean Martin movie as well as one on Sinatra
Such a great video. Seriously I love the way you cut this together.
The question is: Will we have a Frank Sinatra biopic under NETFLIX? Hopefully we will we have.
This was not only interesting but well edited. Keep up the good work!
A SERIOUS biopic about Sinatra will probably not be able to be made, as long as his relatives are still alive.
Love it. Keep it coming. Love this channel
Very good video. Super interesting. Big thumb up. Thank you for your time and work.
This is so well done! Thank you!!
@supervoid... the only word i can say.. thanks!! our more closed friends always talk about "the movie never make".. please continue.. amazing job.. and more important .. with the heart;)
Don't know whether anyone here has seen it, but the French biopic "Gainsbourg" (2011) tackles a similar icon with considerable style.
It sidesteps the music problem mentioned here (i.e. do you re-record famous songs or have the actor mime to the original recordings) in a highly creative manner by not actually going there: you *hear* the original recordings on the soundtrack, behind other action, but you don't see an actor pretending to sing them.
Two actors play the man himself: a child for the very early years, and an adult actor with an uncanny resemblance to the man to portray him throughout his adult years.
It takes a very surreal, almost Gilliam-esque, approach to the material, depicting Gainsbourg in dialog with a literal embodiment of his "personal demons" - externalised internal monologue, if you will.
It's well worth a watch. I'm not a major Serge Gainsbourg fan - I like the Melody Nelson album, but that and Je t'aime were all I really knew of his work - but I watched the film on a friend's recommendation and unexpectedly enjoyed the heck out of it.
Anyway, it seems to solve many of the same problems mentioned here with trying to make a biopic that covers the broad sweep of an iconic performer's life. I'm sure that at least some of its creative solutions would also work for a Sinatra biopic :)
Alex Beck's narration always reminded me of the documentaries of the old James Bond making of videos in their DVDs. it's uncannily similar tone. Keep him, he's a treasure.
I own the
"All or Nothing At All" Sinatra documentary ...it provides a thorough bio of SInatra at over 3 hrs. For those who don't know of it, check it out
Watched it last night. Fantastic gripping viewing.. his music interspersed with the story of life was brilliant. Has heightened my interest in sinatra's life and career..
Keep up the great work! Your channel going to blow up soon
Antonio' Sabato jr. Would have been the ideal actor to play Sinatra. Identical smile, and look, a huge opportunity for Antonio to have the biggest comeback of all times as an actor
That was great !
Thank you.
You should make a video on kubricks napoleon.
I keep trying to figure out a way to present the whole saga in less than 6 hours.
Supervoid Cinema make it a series
@@SupervoidCinema So did Kubrick!
@@SupervoidCinema you can't decide what to leave out...
@@SupervoidCinema not a problem for me...I'll watch it
This was a fascinating watch! Extremely entertaining, especially Harlan Ellison's story!
Always good to see clips of Ellison, miss him and his great storytelling.
Your work is well researched and presented. You need far more exposure. I normally never like but in your case I must.
Great video. Hopefully this film will eventually be made.
Please continue making these pieces. They are so entertaining!
I definitely intend to, thanks a lot for watching!
This would be the greatest movie of all time...Imagine you have the Ed Sullivan show open up the film, we see Leonardo DiCaprio play Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, we get appearances of Marilyn Monroe, the rest of the Ray pack... There’s mafia scenes involved. Lots of heavy smoking and drinking involved.. Tons of celebrity appearances. It would be the perfect film.
If it had been made, I could so imagine Scorsese including the following, which actually happened in real life: Sinatra had got Peter Lawford to come to his estate and stay over, and to bring President John F Kennedy. Lawford was married to JFK's sister. Sinatra was so excited by the visit that he spent loads on getting everything right, even down to having a Helipad built, just so JFK could fly in, un-noticed.
Then as the big day approached, Lawford phoned Sinatra to say that The President wouldn't be coming, because his people had decided Sinatra was too unsuitable to be associated with, due to his Mafia connections. Sinatra's response after the call, was to take a sledgehammer to the Helipad, smashing it to pieces in ferocious anger.
The only reason I would watch Sinatra's biopic is to see the famous tantrums this man used to throw when he didn't get his way
@@amadapittaluga1487 Supposedly he dangled one person he had an argument with out of a helicopter in flight.
I always felt sorry for Peter Lawford. He was in an untenable position of being the messenger, whom everyone blames for bad news. Both Sinatra and the Kennedys used him, but neither respected him.
@@suki44883 The two biggest mistakes Peter Lawford made were marrying into the Kennedy family and taking up with Frank Sinatra. Peter paid a heavy price for his few years of glory as JFK's plenipotentiary to the girls of Hollywood and thrower of clandestine parties at his Santa Monica beach house. Dominick Dunne, who lived a couple of houses away from Lawford at the time and liked him, thought so.
Great video!
Not a big Sinatra fan, but do admire the tonal quality of his voice. My favorite song by him: "What Is This Thing Called Love."
GREAT content, bravo
Goddamn I hope this happens one day.
I’ve been wanting to see the Sinatra film for so long 😭 I’ve been in a lot of pain today - but watching this for the first time I didn’t think about it once. Thanks so much 🙏
Wow this was great!! I’m subscribing.
This looks like it could've been fantastic with the director and the cast.
i would love a sinatra film dude
Dam Hanks can't play every thing he would have been terrible as dean Martin
Hahahahaha . yes.
I think he could have played him to be fair
He dont got the voice or the Italian look... I always though Eric Roberts would play a great Dino. He plays mobster Sal Maroni in The Dark Knight. Check him out...
Hanks is too much of a wimp to play Martin. Adam Sandler can play Jerry Lewis...Hello Ladyyyyyyy !
This was so fantastic I subscribed, please try and do Kubrick’s Napoleon
I think the longer this dragged on, and the more the family wanted a ‘friendly’ version of the story... Scorsese probably said this has become a made for TV biopic
You don't hire Scosese to direct a Sinatra family approved biopic. You hire McG.
I am impressed by Ellison’s ability to tell a story and articulate the components.
As I always say, what do you call a hundred Hollywood and Nashville producers at the bottom of a lake? A good, if hardly adequate start. It is obscene that these three films were kept from us.
Frank Sinatra was an amazing entertainer, devout father, loyal friend, humanitarian, passionate civil rights advocate, and one HELLUVA gentlemen when it came to the women he cared for. That's all respectable, but then again, he DID hang around with the Mafia. I know he was raised around them and that they ran all the places he performed at, so it was near impossible to avoid them, bu the fact that he did favours for, and ADMIRED a bunch of thieves, killers, extortionists and human traffickers does say quite a lot about him.
I think the film just needed to explore his childhood and how he was raised, showing how the people who brought him up helped influence his point of view on the world, and how all this stuff the mob did was just sorta normal to him. Martin Scorsese is a MASTER at exploring the morality of criminals and how they live with their guilt, so he wouldve been able to pull of Sinatra in a way that would've been intriguing, compelling, and endearing, doing a great character study that explored the good, bad and evil of Frank.
Even then, showing all the bad things that Sinatra got up to would certainly cause controversy and make a lot of people unsure of what to think of him, but when you have a life that was as interesting as Sinatra's, that NEEDS to be part of it, a Sinatra biopic should make people lose respect for Frank in many ways, but find more for him in many others.
Clooney, not Hanks, for Dino role.
I have no idea why I clicked on this video, but I'm sure glad I did. This is one of the most intriguing video I've seen in a long time, not even sure why, but I was sad that it was so soon over. Heh
It pisses me off that he axed that project. My favorite filmmaker and my favorite performer, that would have a movie for the ages. It’s a shame though.
how do you even research this thing?! let alone produce 40+ minutes of it! Bravo! :)
Wow. this is such an amazing video. Than you!
Wanna see one about Batman canceled movies :)
Great video
I wanna see y'all's take on the cancelled Batman movies, the cancelled 80s American Godzilla movie, George Miller's cancelled Justice League Mortal movie, and the original Queen/Freddie Mercury biopic.
Super Hero stuff needs to rest the genre for about 10 years ....so overdone.
@Funk O'Matic You can't avoid the hype of a movie even by not going to see it.
I just think the genre is overdone. I realize it's a ratings game until the profits fall.
A quest! Would like to see a biopic on George Gershwin also!
I wouldn't have trusted Ellison to tell me if it was raining outside, but the story is fun.
Ya'll need to do the LONG DEVELOPMENT HELL of Janis Joplin Biopic
Too bad he won't consider finding a talented look-a-like newbie who can act.
Dennis hopper had a fairly good go as an older sinatra in "the night we called it a day"a 2003 Australian film about the catastrophic Australia tour of 1974.not a classic by any means,but worth a watch.
Tosches’ Dean Martin book is a great read. Highly recommended!
The prose style reminded me of a hard boiled detective story. Really fit the subject.
@@grayforester Tosches or Martin?
Any chance of doing a video on the many original scripts written by writers as diverse as John Landis and Anthony Burgess for The Spy Who Loved Me, before they went with Christopher Woods'?
Cast:
Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra
Eddie Reymayne as Dean Martin
Morgan Freeman as Sammy Davis Jr
Margot Robbie as Ava Gardner
Brendan Gleeson as Jerry Lewis
Director: Doug Liman
Distributed by Universal Pictures/Columbia Pictures
A Universal Picture or A Universal Release!
Just brilliant.....thankyou so much!!
Now I'm away to read the Telese piece!!
Alex Beck is my favourite Supervoid narrator. He brings a lecturer / directors commentary vibe .
I remember reading Talese’s stunning article. It was brilliant and insightful. Ol’ Blue Eyes would’ve done better giving the damn interview.
Great to see this video. Sinatra was larger than life. Who’s of comparable stature these days? Stars are smaller now.
Great video, even greater now that the movie is finally happening
Nice piece.
I wish Hollywood would make itself useful, and do an accurate remake of The Grapes of Wrath. I believe it’s something Americans need to rediscover.
On Sinatra, sometimes it’s better to not know all facets of your heroes.
Kelly Hudson
Couldn't agree with you more .
Elizabeth F Thank you
Very interesting, I thought Martin was handled quite well in Rat Pack, at least at an introductory level if you did not know a whole lot about him. It would have been very interesting to see Scorsese do this of course.
Ronan Farrow should play Frank Sinatra.
@Funk O'Matic Yeah, no.
You hear about Sinatra possibly being Ronan's biological father?
@Funk O'Matic harry styles is gay too .
Have a listen to my goodself doing Fly me to the moon ruclips.net/video/OiGRASG3p7M/видео.html
@@fierro7771 that is why I am saying he would be perfect as he also looks exactly like him.
An interesting story. Thank you.
Personally, for many reasons, I liked Frank Sinatra & much admire him on his loyalty quality. But loved Dean Martin for knowing himself, being who he was & his honesty, sincerity to himself and others.
They’re great men.. in their own way. Will always be remembered.
The FS project is The One That Got Away from Martin.
As to could have played him, Harry Connick Jnr could have done a decent attempt when he was younger,
but the older version of FS would have proved problematic. No current actor of note has FS's physical
characteristics. Even LDC would find that role a tough fit.
The only way Martin could have achieved that feat is to cast a completely unknown actor.
Kubrick's Napoleon and Aryan Papers.... Tarantino's Casino Royale
Charan Tej Sergio Leone ... "STALINGRAD" ...
From Gershwin to Dino to The Chairman...
I think creating a Sinatra movie is just one of those damn near impossible things in life. You have to have an actor that's already established as genuinely suave, cool and has little hints of Sinatra mannerisms; rendering it unlikely.
Daniel Craig lol
@@thamayor6324 Craig's cool, is bondesque and obviously he's already a type cast.
@@thamayor6324 it’s the blue eyes and low voice! Leo dicaprios attitude in Craig’s body would work well
Harlin Ellison should start a RUclips channel.
I could listen to him all day.
@Vlodec Nope, he passed away a couple years ago
ruclips.net/channel/UC1XrlRQsRxYfuc47CCJN05w
That got me excited until I saw never made ....!!
Any word on Scorsese's long rumoured project on The Clash?
I dunno about those other projects, but a docudrama/biopic of H.H. Holmes (a.k.a. Walter Mudget) sounds like one of the scariest movies ever! =)
7:52 Jeremy Northam did a decent job playing Dino in 'Martin and Lewis', with Sean Hayes as Jerry Lewis, which focused on their partnership.
As big as Sinatra was, he was a part of something bigger ‘the songbook’ should be the name of an episodic series of which would include all of the contributors over several generations. That way the characters’ stories could be told thoroughly, characters should recur over several episodes,and overlap in the form of duets,and important moments in American history. A series like that could not fail, regardless of ratings, because all the right people would support it. with all due respect, dubbing a voice over an actors voice is a bad idea.
would you please do alejandro jodorowsky's dune and david lean's nostromo.
@@themasterbaetor3719i just watch the jodorowsky's dune documentary and it was great.
Would be cool to see.
The studio guy didn't think there was enough modern interest in Gershwin . . . and he was EXACTLY RIGHT!!
You should try and do a video on the unmade Superman 5 script
So upset that this bio on FS is not going to happen. I was looking forward to it.
They did a "so so" TV movie about Sinatra starring Ray Liotta
This is gonna sound egotistical and crazy..... But I swear on my life I could play Frank Sinatra and sing like him, hate me if you want
U should put a reel together.
I love this narrator!
I would of really liked seeing this movie. Another what if this were made movie to be losing sleep over lol.
The most entertaining, and convincing portrayal of Frank Sinatra, in later life has to be Dennis Hopper, in 'The Night We Called It A Day'. It's a great fun movie, based on Frank's controversial Australian tour in the 70s. Raymondo
Hopper was good. I also think Philip Casnoff did a superb job in the Sinatra miniseries from 1992 about his life.