Good evening Ernest, I just put the 11lb spring in my new full sized PX4. Prior to installing it, my wife couldn't pull the DA trigger. She had to use both hands. Now she can pull the trigger without issue with one finger as she should. The single action is also much improved. Thank you very much for your research, inventiveness, great videos, and customer service.
Love the comment because I just bought and 11lb for my legacy PX4. Can't wait to toss it in! Just found out my handgun was finally getting popular....after 20 years. Thing is a beast.
Ernest, thanks for the quick shipping! I put the 11 # spring in my PX4 this morning and tested it this afternoon. What a difference! The long pull of the DA is the same, but it is MUCH lighter and easier to control. The SA is also much lighter. Great product, thanks!
I have the 12# Hammer spring in my Elite LTT and have had no problems with Federal 115gr target ammo, Winchester 115gr target, Federal 135gr Low Recoil JHP, or Federal 147gr HST JHPs.
Great advice! You've really helped demystify this. Although with the cost of them, I just got a whole set of springs for everywhere I shoot and any ammo type!
Another very informative video, thanks Earnest. I just bought a Beretta 92X Performance and my trigger pull was heavier than what I was hoping for. I installed your 12 lbs hammer spring and now I'm very happy with my 92x Performance DA and SA trigger. All I need now is for a good fixed rear sight that fits it's larger dovetail.
I'm running 14lb on my LTT and that gives me exactly 3lb single action pull. Right where I want it. I actually ran an 8.5lb spring in a DAO LTT for a 4lb 14oz double action pull and it ran with a modified hammer strut and spring cap pushed up past the pin that holds it in. It was good with any primers. You can also run reduced power sear springs to ultimately tune your single action. MCARBO sells a reduced power kit.
Hello Mr. Langdon, can you expand a little on the 10# spring you sell for the PX4? ie; reliability, specifically any ammo concerns (other than rifle primers) Thanks 👍🏼
It is a fairly new spring and very light. I have had no issues with the guns that I have the springs in and we have not had any complaints from customers either. The standard PX4 is just very oversprung when it comes to the hammer spring.
Ernest Langdon Thank you for the reply. I can add that I have recently feed several different boxes from different makers through my PX4 since adding the 10# spring and the optimized trigger bar...WOW! What a noticeable change and not a single issue. The DA is so smooth and light... and the reset is crazy short. The first couple mags I had to concentrate on the reset because I was instinctively moving my finger too far.. (back to where the original reset was) once I started to get a little muscle memory for new reset position, it felt like I could get 2 shots off and only feel one recoil 😂. Very nice, Thank you again and stay safe, stay healthy 👍🏼
It's been such a long time since I swapped it out, I can't remember which one it is, but I have either a 13# or 14# spring in my 92 and it ignites Winchester and IMI 9mm NATO reliably with no problems.
I have an M9 with a 12lb from Wilson combat Ran multiple mags of federal and Winchester ball ammo and several mags of Hornady critical defense and SIG Sauer elite HPs, no issues. It's cycled all the ammo I stockpile with a 6 lb DA trigger pull.
So 13 lb. in the 92 is optimal. What spring weight do you recommend for the PX4? I have a full size and a compact if that makes a difference. The compact seems a little heavier to me than the full size in factory form.
So I have a Px4 storm full size SA/DA I might look into using an 11lb spring as you recommended. Will I be able to use any brand ammo that I want or should I run a specific ammo brand as you mentioned with the 92?
@@GayPrideHD I've run sellier and bellot 115 gr, fiocchi 115 gr, wolf steel 115 gr, and Federal Syntech 150 gr through mine after switching out for the 11#. Had no failures, and have run somewhere between 1,000-1,500 rounds through it during that time.
Since the standard Beretta 92 spring weight is 20 pounds: How is measured? 20 pounds is 88.9 Newtons, but, how? 1-Mounted, hammer down? 2-Mounted, hammer cocked? 3-Solid? (No space between wires) I suspect the spring length is not on the uncocked position. Cocked or solid?
Springs pressure on firearms is normally measured in the compressed state. Even in the undocked position, there is tension in the spring. The spring is never compressed to a solid point with no space between the coils.
@@LangdonTactical I did some tests on a kitchen scale using the compressed length. About 8500 grams, slightly less than 19 pounds. I would love to make a good jig to help me but... I'm too lazy.
Hopefully you still check these comments... I am about to order the TJIAB for the px4 compact and would like to know which hammer spring you would recommend for EDC and home defense? I see that you have tested the snot out of the 11# with no failures, so I'm assuming you will say that one, but I would just like a confirmation. Keep up the great work and videos, we all truly appreciate it!
I was recently bequeathed a late model Italian 92fs from my uncle in which he changed to the #16 hammer spring from the #20. Aim I alright with that weight as I am just a range shooter and the gun will be used in my home as personal protection. Thanks to whoever answers!
Is 20# really the stock weight? I think that's the heaviest one your can get at gunsprings.com They say the factory standard is 14# Wait, nevermind you're taking about hammer spring. I thought I read recoil spring. I'm running a 11# hammer spring with no problem. The 16# is the standard the the Double Action only model. It's still overkill for most ammo
My take away from this video: while the PX4 full/compact and M9/92/96 use the same part number springs, *_the mechanics of the two pistol series are not the same._* The M9/92/96 will need about 2 lbs more to do the same job as a PX4. Example: For very reliable ignition, PX4 full/compact use 12 lb... M9/92/96 use 14 lb. (both are less than the 'D' spring) I am currently using the part number EU00043 from BerettaUSA. It is lighter than the stock spring in my PX4, but want to try the 12 lb spring from LTT... Thanks for the video. Just placed my order!
Ernest and crew, What may be your recommendation ( number of rounds ) for changing the variety of springs AND firing pin in the Beretta 92 ( compact ) and the Beretta px4 compact carry ? Thanks and best regards, JZ
@@LangdonTactical I have an Elite LTT with a trigger job as my range gun and nightstand gun that's gets shot a lot. After recently breaking a trigger return spring after 3,500 rounds and a million dry fires I realized I should probably not use my range gun for protection. I am wanting to buy another Elite LTT from you guys, would you recommend a factory LTT with spartan sights for this application? Or do you think I should just buy another with the trigger job and night sights? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@@postmaster505012 The factory gun would be fine, but if you're used to a gun with a trigger job, you're going to be very disappointed in the factory trigger. I think getting a gun with the trigger job is well worth the extra cost.
@@LangdonTactical that is a good point, especially since I train with a trigger job pistol I can ensure I am equally competent with both. I really appreciate your response.
Any interest in making a magwell for the 92. I like to run limited from concealment sometimes and it would be cool to have a small carry style magwell for the ltt. Plus big hands, I’m almost hanging off the bottom. Just a thought.
I have arthritis in my hands and want to know what I can do to reduce the effort of racking the slide---the gun is a Beretta 92f ---purchased new in 1985----I use my own reloads --- no crazy loads, just the standard 9mm-----any thoughts would be very grateful---thank you!!!!
The hammer spring and the recoil spring. You could drop to the 12.5 recoil spring and that would help a lot. Also, the hammer spring weight can be reduced. The factory hammer spring is way heavier than it needs to be for standard 9mm.
Thank you for the info---I'm ordering a reduced recoil spring from Wilson Tactial and also a trigger and hammer reduced spring, which all come in the same pkg---again thank you much---will make my life easier!!!@@LangdonTactical
Hello Guys, Thank you for the detailed explanation. I have a 92 FS, I'm not a professional shooter, just a random guy who wants to improve his skills. Can you recommend me the best option to improve the trigger pull, (Which Trigger job in a bag do you recomend?) I’m guessing at the moment the pull is about 20 pounds and I’m just want to be sure that the #13 pound kit will help me with the 92 FS (I’m not sure if the 92, 92S and 92 FS use the same kit). Thank you in advance for your help. Regards and Happy Holidays!!!
The 13 lb spring will be a dramatic improvement in the DA pull on any factory 92. All the 92s use the same hammer spring, but the trigger job in a bag kit needs to be at least a 92SB in order to work correctly. It will not work on a 92 or 92S.
Thanks for the clarification. I've wondered if lighter hammer springs combined with lighter main springs will significantly increase battering of the frame from increased recoil?
It could if your running really hot ammo. The factory recoil spring should be fine, most people drop down to a 12.5 lb recoil spring as it makes the gun shoot a little flatter, but if you're going to run +p or NATO spec stuff, stick with the factory weight.
I actually went with a recoil spring that was a little heavier. Just to keep the thing from getting beaten up. Really made the gun less snappy, but it's also a .40
I just ordered your D spring for both my 92 and PX4. I noticed that you had to specify the pistol model when placing the order, but there was no explanation on the difference between the two. Can you please explain how they differ?
The 11 lb spring has been 100% for me in 6 guns and over 100,000 rounds. We have sold a few thousand of them with no issue that was not due to bad ammo.
Now I'm confused even more. I bought a PX4 Compact Carry about 2 months ago and saw Lucky Gunner's second Review on the PX4 Carry where he said he replaced the hammer spring in his new PX4 Carry to get a lighter Double Action pull, so I ordered what he suggested (D Hammer Spring 8000) from Beretta (it was in the PX4 parts section) and after getting the spring could not find any current RUclips videos on replacing the Hammer Spring. So I contacted Beretta Support and they replied back that I already have the light spring in my new PX4 Carry which is the same spring that I ordered from them. So my conclusion is the hammer spring that I have is a good as it gets?? Or is it?
Will #14 spring hammer help reduce the double action weight in full size px4 storm 45acp? Or the px4 storm itself double action pull weight factory is already lighter than the 92?
The 14# spring will likely be heavier than the factory PX4 Spring. You can easily drop to a 12 or 13 lb spring. I have gone as low as 10lbs in the 9mm with great results.
I bought the PX4 LTT Robar Mod5, and it had a lot of FTF. I'd get a failure about once every 2 magazines. The magazines were np3 coated, too. But, I didn't have the same issues with my hands loads. From this video I'm assuming I should replace the spring with the factory one that came in the box. Is that right?
If you are getting light strikes, the question is with what type of ammo? I put 50,000 rounds through a PX4 with the same 12 lb hammer spring (the same that is in your gun) and did not have a single light strike. We have sold and installed almost 3,000 of them in the last two years alone, and light strikes always go back to some other issue, not the hammer spring weight.
I’m running an 11# LTT Chrome Silicon in a 92x compact. No light strikes on Rem 115gr ball, Rem HST 147gr, Speer GD 124gr or Tula 115gr. Spent primers showing a robust strike. Any specifics on what brand/type ammo have known misfire failures with hammer springs less than 13#?
The hammer weight is also a factor. 11lbs is way on the light side in my opinion. The issue will be later as the gun gets a little dirty, carbon in the firing pin channel, etc. That is when the issues will show up.
Ok, so I just bought an 11# Hammer Spring for my Px4 Storm 45 because the double action pull is ungodly. I wanted a lighter double action pull but I intend to carry my pistol, any thoughts?
I just installed a xtreme 92x performance trigger group. What is the hammer spring weight in this Beretta kit? Will replacing it with a lighter spring retract the slide sooner (causing gases to prematurely escape)?
What is the factory weight on the Beretta PX4 Storm full size F model? Which weight spring would you recommend for shooting self-defense rounds and going to the gun range?
I believe it is about 13.5 to 14 lbs. I do not have the equipment to measure them and I don't have a published weight from Beretta. It is lighter than the 92D 16 lb spring and heavier than our 13 lb CS spring.
@@LangdonTactical Thank you. Question ,on the PX4 9mm full-size, is there alot of side to side play between the frame and slide? What your experience dealing the the firearm? Mine has alot of play. You can rock the slide on the frame. Is this normal?
Yes, the 12# Wilson hammer spring is the same as our hammer spring. Made by the same company. The only difference is that we polish one end of the spring.
Now I'm confused. It seems everyone on Utube recommends replacing the stock hammer Spring on the PX4 Compact (not Compact Carry) with the "D" spring to get a lighter trigger pull in both DA & SA. I bought my second PX4 Compact in early 2019 if that matters. Should I install the "D" spring or not?
My understanding from this video is the D spring is about 16 lbs, which might be lighter than the stock spring in your PX4... but a 12 lb spring will be very reliable. I just ordered two 12 lb springs. One for my PX4 compact and one for the PX4 full size I plan to buy soon.
Yes, or one of our lighter Chrome Silicon trigger springs. Make sure it is a D spring for the PX4 or 8000 series gun and not the D spring for the 92. They are not the same spring. There are two Beretta D model springs.
Yes, it is much lighter than the factory PX4 hammer spring. Beretta even sells it as a D Spring for the PX4 on their pro shop site. It works just fine on the PX4 and comes in at about 12 to 13 pounds depending on the run of springs you get.
Anyone know what the reduction would be in the trigger pull weight if I drop from my stock 13# and go with a 11 or 12# spring? I have an Elite LTT with the in-house trigger job. Looks like it comes with a 13# spring. I am using the gun for USPSA and IDPA.
John Wilson He said the 11 will get the DA to approx 5.5lb. Single probably be around 3. I run a 12 and I’m not sure about the exact weight (I’d guess 6-6.5 and 3.5) but it’s as good as I need it. I use it for production. I’ve never had any LPS with any ammo yet.
@@appliedperformance773 Thanks. I must have missed it. Ton of info in that video. I might give one a try although that trigger is pretty darned nice as it is now.
That is really a different gun, and we have never tested it. Also, rimfire rounds need more firing pin energy and often do not do well with lighter hammer springs.
I’ve had trigger job/action tune and elite hammer and 13lb hammer spring yet my trigger pull is still 4lbs SA, I’m trying to get it down further as it will be for competition. What else can I do? How do I get it lower? I hear the reduced Wolff tcu is not great, is there a reduced power sear spring? I don’t want lighter trigger return spring as I want my trigger resets to be fast.
@@ernestlangdon3075 Thanks. I ended up switching my 92 to a 14 lb hammer and recoil spring. 100% reliable v through 1,000 rounds of various practice and defensive ammo.
Currently have a #14 hammer spring in my M9 and a #14 recoil spring (Came with Wilson Duty Kit) does this combination seem efficient? I'm new to Beretta.
@@Anni3sgotagun We will not likely invest in that project. I have been working with and around Beretta's for over 30 years now, SAO Berettas have always been really poor sellers as you are now competing against 1911s and other SAO guns. They just don't sell as well as everyone thinks they will. Beretta has done several over the years and they just did not move.
Is there a substantial difference between 13 and 14? I ordered both in case I want to change, one with the trigger job kit, one as stand alone. I just need to know which one to put in first. I’d prefer the 14 probably if the diff isn’t that much.
We use the 13 lb spring as our go to standard. It is very reliable and has stood the test of time through many thousands of trigger jobs on guns we sell and custom gun work for customers.
@@ernestlangdon3075 hey man. I just wanted to swing back and say thank you for your company’s hard work. This has made my beretta my favorite pistol to use at the range. Planning to do some simple competition at my range. I feel so much more confident going into it now.
Running 12lb hammer spting and a Wilson hammer. So far 2,000 rounds without a failure of all ammo types. Another 1,000 and I will replace it with another 12lbs
I did not say it was the "wrong spring". The factory springs work fine, sometimes other springs work better. Have you looked into my background and what I have with and for the Beretta 92 and PX4 series pistols? I have been designing pistol products for Beretta since 1998. I was the one that got Beretta USA to put the 16 lb hammer spring in the first DASA production gun from the factory, the Elite II when I worked there. It went into production in late 1999. I won both the IDPA National Championships and the USPSA Production National Championships with that gun in 2000. I am a paid consultant for Beretta USA and Beretta Italy on pistol design to this date. There have now been 7 very successful pistols sold by Beretta that were my projects. I was also a consultant for pistol product design for Sig Sauer in 2004 and 2005 and worked for Smith and Wesson from 2005 to 2008, my main project was the M&P 45. I was a consultant for Wilson Combat as well from 2014 to 2017 with part of my duties to consult on Beretta 92 parts that Wilson Combat makes for the Beretta 92. I have been Gunsmithing on Beretta 92s since 1997. I have built and worked on tens of thousands of Beretta 92 in the last 20 plus years. I have 4 full-time Gunsmiths that work for me that build Beretta pistols and shotguns all day, every day. I don't know who you are, but clearly, you do not know who I am.
CCI 500 primers are rock hard, they won't work with the 11-13 lb. hammer spring. Federal 100 small pistol primers are the way to go, they work with the 11-20 lb. hammer springs. I've been reloading 34+ years. I'll gladly help, if anyone has questions.👍. STAY AWAY FROM Alliant BE-86 powder, it'll ruin your RCBS powder hoppers, and leave your action filthy.
Good evening Ernest, I just put the 11lb spring in my new full sized PX4. Prior to installing it, my wife couldn't pull the DA trigger. She had to use both hands. Now she can pull the trigger without issue with one finger as she should. The single action is also much improved. Thank you very much for your research, inventiveness, great videos, and customer service.
awesome!!
How do you install the hammer spring?
Love the comment because I just bought and 11lb for my legacy PX4. Can't wait to toss it in! Just found out my handgun was finally getting popular....after 20 years. Thing is a beast.
13# works great in my 92. Even fires small rifle primers reliably.
Ernest, thanks for the quick shipping! I put the 11 # spring in my PX4 this morning and tested it this afternoon. What a difference! The long pull of the DA is the same, but it is MUCH lighter and easier to control. The SA is also much lighter. Great product, thanks!
Right for $13 you cant beat it as an upgrade
I just order me the #11 hammer spring for my px4. We'll see how it works.
I have the 12# Hammer spring in my Elite LTT and have had no problems with Federal 115gr target ammo, Winchester 115gr target, Federal 135gr Low Recoil JHP, or Federal 147gr HST JHPs.
Thank you I was going to swap the D spring on the PX4 but I don't have to 3:45
This answer some questions I’ve had for a while.
Thanks!
Thank you sir. I've got your 92 Elite and your PX4 and this has finally cleared up several questions I needed answered. Good video.
Great advice! You've really helped demystify this.
Although with the cost of them, I just got a whole set of springs for everywhere I shoot and any ammo type!
This was really educational! 👍🏻😀
Thank you this video so helpful 👍just installed my trigger bar n did lil shaveing to get double action work properly
Thank you, glad to hear it worked well for you.
Another very informative video, thanks Earnest. I just bought a Beretta 92X Performance and my trigger pull was heavier than what I was hoping for. I installed your 12 lbs hammer spring and now I'm very happy with my 92x Performance DA and SA trigger. All I need now is for a good fixed rear sight that fits it's larger dovetail.
Ready for my LTT Elite Compact!!!
I'm running 14lb on my LTT and that gives me exactly 3lb single action pull. Right where I want it.
I actually ran an 8.5lb spring in a DAO LTT for a 4lb 14oz double action pull and it ran with a modified hammer strut and spring cap pushed up past the pin that holds it in. It was good with any primers.
You can also run reduced power sear springs to ultimately tune your single action. MCARBO sells a reduced power kit.
Other reviews of the 14# said 4.5 lb SA. 3 seems pretty light.
Great explanation. I also was clueless regarding the 92d and PX4 Storm hammer springs being different.
So much useful information in a concise video. I bow to the master. Thank you.
Installed the #13 spring and your trigger bar today-8 1/2 pound double action 4 1/2 single
Waiting on your ARX-160 upgrades.
Amazing breakdown. Love the 13lb and 14lb hammer springs. Both have a their purpose!
What size recoil spring do you use with the 14 hammer spring?
@@alexneville8168 14 pound go up one pound when you go down on hammer spring
Hello Mr. Langdon, can you expand a little on the 10# spring you sell for the PX4? ie; reliability, specifically any ammo concerns (other than rifle primers) Thanks 👍🏼
It is a fairly new spring and very light. I have had no issues with the guns that I have the springs in and we have not had any complaints from customers either. The standard PX4 is just very oversprung when it comes to the hammer spring.
Ernest Langdon Thank you for the reply. I can add that I have recently feed several different boxes from different makers through my PX4 since adding the 10# spring and the optimized trigger bar...WOW! What a noticeable change and not a single issue. The DA is so smooth and light... and the reset is crazy short. The first couple mags I had to concentrate on the reset because I was instinctively moving my finger too far.. (back to where the original reset was) once I started to get a little muscle memory for new reset position, it felt like I could get 2 shots off and only feel one recoil 😂. Very nice, Thank you again and stay safe, stay healthy 👍🏼
I’m using a 14# spring on my M9, and it’s never failed. 👍
It's been such a long time since I swapped it out, I can't remember which one it is, but I have either a 13# or 14# spring in my 92 and it ignites Winchester and IMI 9mm NATO reliably with no problems.
I just ordered a 14 hammer spring and 14 recoil spring from wilson combat.
11# and hundreds of rounds without a light strike
I have an M9 with a 12lb from Wilson combat Ran multiple mags of federal and Winchester ball ammo and several mags of Hornady critical defense and SIG Sauer elite HPs, no issues. It's cycled all the ammo I stockpile with a 6 lb DA trigger pull.
So 13 lb. in the 92 is optimal. What spring weight do you recommend for the PX4? I have a full size and a compact if that makes a difference. The compact seems a little heavier to me than the full size in factory form.
Anicus he’s extensively tested his PX4s with his 11# springs and has shown to be reliable
Yes, as Jesse says, I have extensively tested the 11lb hammer spring in the PX4 and that is what I would recommend.
So I have a Px4 storm full size SA/DA I might look into using an 11lb spring as you recommended. Will I be able to use any brand ammo that I want or should I run a specific ammo brand as you mentioned with the 92?
@@GayPrideHD I've run sellier and bellot 115 gr, fiocchi 115 gr, wolf steel 115 gr, and Federal Syntech 150 gr through mine after switching out for the 11#. Had no failures, and have run somewhere between 1,000-1,500 rounds through it during that time.
I run the #11s in all my px4s. 9mm all the way to .45. Never had an issue and makes thr trigger butter haha
Since the standard Beretta 92 spring weight is 20 pounds:
How is measured? 20 pounds is 88.9 Newtons, but, how?
1-Mounted, hammer down?
2-Mounted, hammer cocked?
3-Solid? (No space between wires)
I suspect the spring length is not on the uncocked position. Cocked or solid?
Springs pressure on firearms is normally measured in the compressed state. Even in the undocked position, there is tension in the spring. The spring is never compressed to a solid point with no space between the coils.
@@LangdonTactical I did some tests on a kitchen scale using the compressed length. About 8500 grams, slightly less than 19 pounds.
I would love to make a good jig to help me but... I'm too lazy.
So with the 92X compact the #12 won't be the greatest choice for target and self defense ?
I would recommend #13 if you are going to use it for defense.
@@LangdonTactical Thanks! Your Vids are really helpful.
Hopefully you still check these comments... I am about to order the TJIAB for the px4 compact and would like to know which hammer spring you would recommend for EDC and home defense?
I see that you have tested the snot out of the 11# with no failures, so I'm assuming you will say that one, but I would just like a confirmation.
Keep up the great work and videos, we all truly appreciate it!
Yes, I would go with the 11# hammer spring.
@@LangdonTactical thank you!
I was recently bequeathed a late model Italian 92fs from my uncle in which he changed to the #16 hammer spring from the #20. Aim I alright with that weight as I am just a range
shooter and the gun will be used in my home as personal protection. Thanks to whoever answers!
You will be fine with the 16 lb spring. It should be 100% reliable for you.
Is 20# really the stock weight? I think that's the heaviest one your can get at gunsprings.com
They say the factory standard is 14#
Wait, nevermind you're taking about hammer spring. I thought I read recoil spring. I'm running a 11# hammer spring with no problem.
The 16# is the standard the the Double Action only model. It's still overkill for most ammo
Beretta 92 GTS... Does this come with the 16 lbs hammer spring?
What about the recoil spring weight?
My take away from this video: while the PX4 full/compact and M9/92/96 use the same part number springs, *_the mechanics of the two pistol series are not the same._*
The M9/92/96 will need about 2 lbs more to do the same job as a PX4.
Example: For very reliable ignition, PX4 full/compact use 12 lb... M9/92/96 use 14 lb. (both are less than the 'D' spring)
I am currently using the part number EU00043 from BerettaUSA. It is lighter than the stock spring in my PX4, but want to try the 12 lb spring from LTT...
Thanks for the video. Just placed my order!
11# works great in my 96
Might be the ammo
They are not the same part number. The PX4 D hammer spring is different than the 92/96 D hammer spring.
Ernest and crew, What may be your recommendation ( number of rounds ) for changing the variety of springs AND firing pin in the Beretta 92 ( compact ) and the Beretta px4 compact carry ? Thanks and best regards, JZ
We have a whole other video on that, I believe it is on our IG page as well.
@@LangdonTactical I have an Elite LTT with a trigger job as my range gun and nightstand gun that's gets shot a lot. After recently breaking a trigger return spring after 3,500 rounds and a million dry fires I realized I should probably not use my range gun for protection. I am wanting to buy another Elite LTT from you guys, would you recommend a factory LTT with spartan sights for this application? Or do you think I should just buy another with the trigger job and night sights? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@@postmaster505012 The factory gun would be fine, but if you're used to a gun with a trigger job, you're going to be very disappointed in the factory trigger. I think getting a gun with the trigger job is well worth the extra cost.
@@LangdonTactical that is a good point, especially since I train with a trigger job pistol I can ensure I am equally competent with both. I really appreciate your response.
More Videos Please, I need you to make a Dry Fire Video for IDPA AND USPSA training!!! I will Pay!!!!
Any interest in making a magwell for the 92. I like to run limited from concealment sometimes and it would be cool to have a small carry style magwell for the ltt. Plus big hands, I’m almost hanging off the bottom. Just a thought.
Springer Precision makes one for the full-size 92, you do have to run there magazine bottoms to make it work.
Check out FLOYDS CUSTOM WORKS..THEY HAVE IT AND FITS LIKE A GLOVE!
Do you offer any customization services (trigger, milling etc) for the PX4 sub compact?
So what's the hammer spring weight for the stock PX4 hammer spring? 14 lbs since the 92 D spring is rated at 16 lbs?
Michael Sestak
I used a #12 hammer spring from LTT to replace my Px4 compact and it did the trick!
he’s extensively tested his PX4s with his 11# springs and has shown to be reliable
If I want to give my 92 the best chance to function in Extreme cold, I would go with the 20# hammer spring?
Personally, i am ok with the my 20# spring, but upgrading to LTT trigger bar for the short reset is a must
I have arthritis in my hands and want to know what I can do to reduce the effort of racking the slide---the gun is a Beretta 92f ---purchased new in 1985----I use my own reloads --- no crazy loads, just the standard 9mm-----any thoughts would be very grateful---thank you!!!!
The hammer spring and the recoil spring. You could drop to the 12.5 recoil spring and that would help a lot. Also, the hammer spring weight can be reduced. The factory hammer spring is way heavier than it needs to be for standard 9mm.
Thank you for the info---I'm ordering a reduced recoil spring from Wilson Tactial and also a trigger and hammer reduced spring, which all come in the same pkg---again thank you much---will make my life easier!!!@@LangdonTactical
Hello Guys, Thank you for the detailed explanation. I have a 92 FS, I'm not a professional shooter, just a random guy who wants to improve his skills.
Can you recommend me the best option to improve the trigger pull, (Which Trigger job in a bag do you recomend?)
I’m guessing at the moment the pull is about 20 pounds and I’m just want to be sure that the #13 pound kit will help me with the 92 FS (I’m not sure if the 92, 92S and 92 FS use the same kit).
Thank you in advance for your help. Regards and Happy Holidays!!!
The 13 lb spring will be a dramatic improvement in the DA pull on any factory 92. All the 92s use the same hammer spring, but the trigger job in a bag kit needs to be at least a 92SB in order to work correctly. It will not work on a 92 or 92S.
@@ernestlangdon3075 Thank you for your time on this matter, Best regards!!!!
Thanks for the clarification. I've wondered if lighter hammer springs combined with lighter main springs will significantly increase battering of the frame from increased recoil?
It could if your running really hot ammo. The factory recoil spring should be fine, most people drop down to a 12.5 lb recoil spring as it makes the gun shoot a little flatter, but if you're going to run +p or NATO spec stuff, stick with the factory weight.
@@LangdonTactical Thanks!
I actually went with a recoil spring that was a little heavier. Just to keep the thing from getting beaten up. Really made the gun less snappy, but it's also a .40
I just ordered your D spring for both my 92 and PX4. I noticed that you had to specify the pistol model when placing the order, but there was no explanation on the difference between the two. Can you please explain how they differ?
Please, excuse my ignorance. But why a trigger job in a bag or in house trigger job vs just changing the hammer spring?
Are the hammer springs in the 22LR 92 guns the same as the 9mm 92s?
I can confirm the springs in the 22 caliber guns are the same. I’m running a 14# Wilson Combat spring in mine now and it’s very nice.
Nice Sinn watch! And great info! For range/HD is it better to stick with 13 vs 12 in a LTT Elite with TJIAB?
Yes, I would stick with the 13 for range and HD.
How heavy is the stock spring in the px4 storm?
For Px4 Compact Carry what is a good option for a lighter pull over factory stock spring
The 11 lb spring has been 100% for me in 6 guns and over 100,000 rounds. We have sold a few thousand of them with no issue that was not due to bad ammo.
What about the #10 hammer spring on a px4. Shooting seller& bellot .40?
works fine!
Now I'm confused even more. I bought a PX4 Compact Carry about 2 months ago and saw Lucky Gunner's second Review on the PX4 Carry where he said he replaced the hammer spring in his new PX4 Carry to get a lighter Double Action pull, so I ordered what he suggested (D Hammer Spring 8000) from Beretta (it was in the PX4 parts section) and after getting the spring could not find any current RUclips videos on replacing the Hammer Spring. So I contacted Beretta Support and they replied back that I already have the light spring in my new PX4 Carry which is the same spring that I ordered from them. So my conclusion is the hammer spring that I have is a good as it gets?? Or is it?
Anyone know what Dave Olhasso's competition spring is at?
Will #14 spring hammer help reduce the double action weight in full size px4 storm 45acp? Or the px4 storm itself double action pull weight factory is already lighter than the 92?
The 14# spring will likely be heavier than the factory PX4 Spring. You can easily drop to a 12 or 13 lb spring. I have gone as low as 10lbs in the 9mm with great results.
He didn't say what trigger spring to use in the PX4
I run a 11lb in mine and have been 100% with the 10lb hammer spring test gun so far.
I bought the PX4 LTT Robar Mod5, and it had a lot of FTF. I'd get a failure about once every 2 magazines. The magazines were np3 coated, too.
But, I didn't have the same issues with my hands loads. From this video I'm assuming I should replace the spring with the factory one that came in the box. Is that right?
If you are getting light strikes, the question is with what type of ammo? I put 50,000 rounds through a PX4 with the same 12 lb hammer spring (the same that is in your gun) and did not have a single light strike. We have sold and installed almost 3,000 of them in the last two years alone, and light strikes always go back to some other issue, not the hammer spring weight.
I’m running an 11# LTT Chrome Silicon in a 92x compact. No light strikes on Rem 115gr ball, Rem HST 147gr, Speer GD 124gr or Tula 115gr. Spent primers showing a robust strike. Any specifics on what brand/type ammo have known misfire failures with hammer springs less than 13#?
The hammer weight is also a factor. 11lbs is way on the light side in my opinion. The issue will be later as the gun gets a little dirty, carbon in the firing pin channel, etc. That is when the issues will show up.
@@jason3211 No, the skeletonized hammer will not give you more striking power. I would be the #14 would bust everything if the gun is clean.
How do I get a chigger spring for my 98 arcus
Lotsa great options..
Question answered! Thanks
Is +p ammo too much for 13 lb hammer spring?
What is an example of a NATO spec primer or ammo that the 13# spring could not use?
S&b
Ok, so I just bought an 11# Hammer Spring for my Px4 Storm 45 because the double action pull is ungodly. I wanted a lighter double action pull but I intend to carry my pistol, any thoughts?
You should be fine with US-made ammo. Large Pistol Primers need more firing pin energy than small primers, so I would test it for sure.
@@LangdonTactical
Well, it worked. The PX4 45 feels amazing now.
I just installed a xtreme 92x performance trigger group. What is the hammer spring weight in this Beretta kit? Will replacing it with a lighter spring retract the slide sooner (causing gases to prematurely escape)?
I don't know, you would have to ask Beretta. We do not sell that kit.
@@ernestlangdon3075 THANK YOU for such a quick reply. You are the best Ernest and company!
What is the factory weight on the Beretta PX4 Storm full size F model? Which weight spring would you recommend for shooting self-defense rounds and going to the gun range?
I believe it is about 13.5 to 14 lbs. I do not have the equipment to measure them and I don't have a published weight from Beretta. It is lighter than the 92D 16 lb spring and heavier than our 13 lb CS spring.
@@LangdonTactical Thank you. Question ,on the PX4 9mm full-size, is there alot of side to side play between the frame and slide? What your experience dealing the the firearm? Mine has alot of play. You can rock the slide on the frame. Is this normal?
@@28_babyshark Pretty normal, and pretty normal on all polymer frame guns.
Thanks you, good to know. Do you have a reduced trigger reach for the regular 92x full size?
Great talk and super informative thanks
So would a 12# wilson combat hammer spring for a 92 work well in a px4 compact? It is an option on your trigger job in a bag for the px4, correct?
Yes, the 12# Wilson hammer spring is the same as our hammer spring. Made by the same company. The only difference is that we polish one end of the spring.
What spring rate for the hammer that comes in the chrome spring kit from beretta
We do not know. We do not sell that kit. Maybe ask Beretta CS on this one.
@@LangdonTactical thank you for your response
Now I'm confused. It seems everyone on Utube recommends replacing the stock hammer Spring on the PX4 Compact (not Compact Carry) with the "D" spring to get a lighter trigger pull in both DA & SA.
I bought my second PX4 Compact in early 2019 if that matters. Should I install the "D" spring or not?
My understanding from this video is the D spring is about 16 lbs, which might be lighter than the stock spring in your PX4... but a 12 lb spring will be very reliable.
I just ordered two 12 lb springs. One for my PX4 compact and one for the PX4 full size I plan to buy soon.
Yes, or one of our lighter Chrome Silicon trigger springs. Make sure it is a D spring for the PX4 or 8000 series gun and not the D spring for the 92. They are not the same spring. There are two Beretta D model springs.
@@LangdonTactical Do you know the hammer spring weight of a stock px4?
do you need a lighter firing pin spring for a 12 pound hammer spring on a 92 fs?
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So is a heavier spring harder to shoot but more reliable? And vise versa
You could say that for sure.
What about the D spring for the 8000? There are videos claiming they use it in the PX4 ? Is that a lighter spring than the stock px4 ?
Yes, it is much lighter than the factory PX4 hammer spring. Beretta even sells it as a D Spring for the PX4 on their pro shop site. It works just fine on the PX4 and comes in at about 12 to 13 pounds depending on the run of springs you get.
What is the weight of the factory D spring of the for the PX4 ?
16#
Anyone know what the reduction would be in the trigger pull weight if I drop from my stock 13# and go with a 11 or 12# spring? I have an Elite LTT with the in-house trigger job. Looks like it comes with a 13# spring. I am using the gun for USPSA and IDPA.
John Wilson He said the 11 will get the DA to approx 5.5lb. Single probably be around 3. I run a 12 and I’m not sure about the exact weight (I’d guess 6-6.5 and 3.5) but it’s as good as I need it. I use it for production. I’ve never had any LPS with any ammo yet.
@@appliedperformance773 Thanks. I must have missed it. Ton of info in that video. I might give one a try although that trigger is pretty darned nice as it is now.
I put a 12# in mine, but i'm a small woman with small hands and reach was problematic with that heavy, stock spring.
What spring does the 92x RDO comes with?
Pretty sure it is a 16lb spring.
Can I change the one on my m9 A1 that's in 22lr.
That is really a different gun, and we have never tested it. Also, rimfire rounds need more firing pin energy and often do not do well with lighter hammer springs.
I’ve had trigger job/action tune and elite hammer and 13lb hammer spring yet my trigger pull is still 4lbs SA, I’m trying to get it down further as it will be for competition. What else can I do? How do I get it lower? I hear the reduced Wolff tcu is not great, is there a reduced power sear spring? I don’t want lighter trigger return spring as I want my trigger resets to be fast.
You could drop to the 11# or 12# hammer spring, but we don't recommend those for EDC, Comp only.
If I install a 13 or 14 lb hammer spring do I have to increase the recoil spring weight?
No, we have done thousands with no change in recoil spring weight.
@@ernestlangdon3075 Thanks. I ended up switching my 92 to a 14 lb hammer and recoil spring. 100% reliable v through 1,000 rounds of various practice and defensive ammo.
@@chrisragone8785 notable difference ? I ordered the 13 and 14 because I can’t decide
@@SkyOutside I haven’t tried the 13 lbs hammer spring yet. I like the 14 lbs fine.
Currently have a #14 hammer spring in my M9 and a #14 recoil spring (Came with Wilson Duty Kit) does this combination seem efficient? I'm new to Beretta.
That should work just fine together for duty and carry.
@@ernestlangdon3075 with the tjiab for beretta 92 14 pound is 100 percent reliable for duty?
Ernest does this apply to p series Sigs as well?
He's a Beretta guy.
When do we get a SAO 92?
The beretta 92x
I’m talking about from Langdon
@@Anni3sgotagun We will not likely invest in that project. I have been working with and around Beretta's for over 30 years now, SAO Berettas have always been really poor sellers as you are now competing against 1911s and other SAO guns. They just don't sell as well as everyone thinks they will. Beretta has done several over the years and they just did not move.
Understood. Would you work on then though?
@@Anni3sgotagun Sure, we have worked on a few of the ones that Beretta has already made.
Is there a substantial difference between 13 and 14? I ordered both in case I want to change, one with the trigger job kit, one as stand alone. I just need to know which one to put in first.
I’d prefer the 14 probably if the diff isn’t that much.
We use the 13 lb spring as our go to standard. It is very reliable and has stood the test of time through many thousands of trigger jobs on guns we sell and custom gun work for customers.
@@ernestlangdon3075 Alright thanks man. Lookin forward to getting it all in.
@@ernestlangdon3075 hey man. I just wanted to swing back and say thank you for your company’s hard work. This has made my beretta my favorite pistol to use at the range. Planning to do some simple competition at my range. I feel so much more confident going into it now.
@@SkyOutside Thank you for the kind words.
I have the 11# spring in my 96 and so far not a single light strike
Edit: Nevermind I get them now
I'd leave it stock 20 lbs if its a defensive pistol. If it's for fun only, I like 14 lbs. Never had issues
13# is fine Never had an issue with 13 #
Running 12lb hammer spting and a Wilson hammer. So far 2,000 rounds without a failure of all ammo types. Another 1,000 and I will replace it with another 12lbs
Who is responsible for the thumbnail? Ernest's face in the thumbnail looks like he just checked in for a colonoscopy appointment.
LOL
Appreciate the detailed advice. / / / Have your cameraman raise your camera 12" or so [reference: 5 C's of Cinematography] You're too low....
Do you really think Beretta would use the wrong springs in manufacturing their weapons. What engineering degree do you have?
I did not say it was the "wrong spring". The factory springs work fine, sometimes other springs work better.
Have you looked into my background and what I have with and for the Beretta 92 and PX4 series pistols? I have been designing pistol products for Beretta since 1998. I was the one that got Beretta USA to put the 16 lb hammer spring in the first DASA production gun from the factory, the Elite II when I worked there. It went into production in late 1999. I won both the IDPA National Championships and the USPSA Production National Championships with that gun in 2000. I am a paid consultant for Beretta USA and Beretta Italy on pistol design to this date. There have now been 7 very successful pistols sold by Beretta that were my projects.
I was also a consultant for pistol product design for Sig Sauer in 2004 and 2005 and worked for Smith and Wesson from 2005 to 2008, my main project was the M&P 45.
I was a consultant for Wilson Combat as well from 2014 to 2017 with part of my duties to consult on Beretta 92 parts that Wilson Combat makes for the Beretta 92.
I have been Gunsmithing on Beretta 92s since 1997. I have built and worked on tens of thousands of Beretta 92 in the last 20 plus years. I have 4 full-time Gunsmiths that work for me that build Beretta pistols and shotguns all day, every day.
I don't know who you are, but clearly, you do not know who I am.
@@LangdonTactical I stand corrected. Thanks for setting me straight!
CCI 500 primers are rock hard, they won't work with the 11-13 lb. hammer spring. Federal 100 small pistol primers are the way to go, they work with the 11-20 lb. hammer springs.
I've been reloading 34+ years. I'll gladly help, if anyone has questions.👍. STAY AWAY FROM Alliant BE-86 powder, it'll ruin your RCBS powder hoppers, and leave your action filthy.
Glad I got the 14lb.
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What hammer spring comes stock in a regular 92x?
16 pounds.
@@ernestlangdon3075 thanks for that info. I ordered a 14 pound spring from you but thinking about a 13 pound next just to see.