In terms of SA manufactured standalone Ecu's I only use Powermods, can control a direct injection motor and a host of other things to boot. And Powermods back up support is outstanding. Look at a PM600, no other SA standalone ecu can compare. Also, climbing in a car in 10 degree cold and it starts instantly and follows the warm up cycle exactly like the factory ecu and it performs like it should, you would never guess the car had a standalone ecu installed. Those are big plus points. Powermods for me thanks.
Hard to compare tow vehicles to sports cars… We basically talking about performance, correct? Dictator , spitronics, blue arc etc def entry level is good for a golf 8v or Opel Corsa If you got a 1jz 2jz rb25 sr20 ej20 etc why would you want a entry level Ecu that only does fuel and spark Trusting a 50k-150k engine on a Ecu “the brains” that cost 5k I say this with no disrespect to any Ecu out there but if you planning on running a modified engine , turbo/supercharger/high comp itbs then do yourself a favour, get the haltech / link / Ecu master - SAFETY FEATURES SAVE ENGINES (oil pressure/knock/fuel pressure/air temp/closed loop/flex fuel etc)
Yeah.. Deactivating the immobilizer for engine swap purposes is a big hassle on some ecus tho. On my 95' mercedes W202 C280 noone has yet to program the immo out of the ecu. It can be done only with an emulator and mercedes diagnostic equipment which costs more than 1000 dollars.. I'm sure noone ever stole a W202 xd.
I think you have to go through a bluearc ecu and see what you can do. I can guarantee that you will be very very surprised. Bluearc can do fueling per cylinder too. Per cylinder safety protocols Multi spark Built in dbw Boost control logic (By gear and rpm) Sustech very good Spitronics good Dicktator aaaaah beginning stage By far the most respected ecu is a motec ecu
Love the video, great thinking. My issue I have with lambda and EGT Pyro tuned engines, is now we have a difference in BMEP across cylinders, do we now have a dynamic shift in harmonics to consider now that the crank is getting varying load amounts from each cylinder, it definitely gets you thinking about harmonic frequencies again 😉
and thats why ill choose the powermods over the dictator as it runs std,60-2 36-1 etc etc has 4 GPO outs and can control fan, can do phase and full sequential, has dual maps, can do DBW, can even do flex fuel etc etc for way less money than the dictator, dictator cant do most of that, and if u want it, to you have to spend even more money to get external modules for it. so cost to feature set it wins hands down even compared to the spitronics
The best ECU is an open source ECU (Speeduino). Completely customizable and add on with modules. You can buy R15k ECU for 1 feature that sub R8k ECUs don't have. I think Spitronics have been "adding" VVTi control for the past 12 years with the Mercury 2, now even the Mercury 3 still doesn't have pure VVTi control...
very informative and not opinionated video.we could sit for hours.well done sir.after being in the motor trade for almost forever and having had my fair share of dictator spitronic and even gotech.i only have one issue with all aftermarket systems.They cannot hold their memory like oem manufacturer ecu's.once that map goes and you have to get it to a workshop and standing in the middle of nowhere.thats the time you know you're i.d.k.plus it then has to be retuned if the original map wasn't backed up.
i get what his saying yes basic ecus can run times, but they unable to protect the engine like the more premier ECUS and every feature is going to cost money, then there is DSG the entry level ecus cant control it.
I hear this a lot. 'X cheap ECU runs the times', as if that's the only thing that people care about. I care about getting into my car, turning the key and driving it within the first 30 seconds of start up. Being able to drive and have an amazing road experience and then taking it to the track and beating on it and thereafter driving home.
I think this is quite bias given blue arc as a lot of features with multiple plugins and outputs. Besides that aspect the blue arc support would be amping the best. As when you buy blue arc you get Chris as a contact that would be on call and able to assist almost anywhere in the world as long as you have internet 🤷🏻♂️ do your own research before hearing someone that only chooses Ecu’s that are a part of his business
For A4 B6 1.8T (2002) exist an ECU which could replace the factory ECU? I mean i want to keep the car as a daily drive so have to work everything in the car just like with the original ECU,but gives me better and easier acess for tuning options?
It's probably due to the fact that it's open source, there is no direct support line since it's not built by a single manufacturer and depending on who built it you can also have weird issues like noise on the triggers due to poor shielding or electrical noise suppression. But Speeduino ftw, I've wired and tuned so many of them now and they're amazing for the price.
Hi can you perhaps do some more research about the BlueArcECU and do a video about it I'm pretty sure if you give uncle Chris from BlueArcECU a call he would explain it a bit better to you
Good day very good Video, just a pity he does not know about the features of a Bluearc ECU and the precision of a BlueArc ECU, He did not comment allot of a BlueArc witch is good , but will sugest to Do his homework before commenting on a BlueArc, you can put in in the tier 1 class when it comes to the price, yes it is The most expensive on Tier 1 but have allot more futures , accuracy and beter suport then the rest on tier 1, And it is a customer driven ECU, if you want to add a future to the ECU you contact BlueArc and thy will add it if it is possible.
How come you guys don't even mention the Fueltech FT700. Way superior than many of the ones you talked about, cheaper and with integrated dash and touchscreen. I mean for real if you are going to talk ECU at least get it right. Btw you can put it in the TIER3, with prices under Motec and you get a free dash and a lot more stuff in comparison. I have build cars with M130, FT450/550/600, MS2/3 ECU, and boy did you left out the best one.
BS!!!!! At around 14:45 in this video I heard enough of this sales pitch. Firstly, any Subaru owner will never tune their car on Tier 1 software, doesn't matter which way you spin it. Why on earth will you want to ignore Subaru OEM Advanced Warning Systems, and rather tune on software that will do a hard cut when it is to late? (not sure if the hard cut explained means limp mode or engine broken) That car comes with advanced electronics, sensors, turbo actuation, injector pulse, cam angel, etc, etc. All communicating to a brilliantly designed ECU. It determines everything, from speed sensors at every wheel (making traction control so brilliant) , to your engine protection strategy, like taking into consideration the 'fuel film on last cylinder' you referred to. Respectfully Sir, if you are going to attack ECU's that are not even in your league, you need to advise your customers that those same ECU buyers will know that they also need a Power Control Module. Already equipped to read any and every sensor available on the market. I will make an educated guess, but I am sure most people on this platform are not too worried about pulling boats to the Vaal river. That is like being stuck in the 90's while the tuning world has evolved. And if you are still stuck there, hopefully you know someone with a 3L Ford Cortina, nothing will get you there more in style. Especially if that Cortina is bagged!
Always enjoy listening to Hermann.Such a knowledgeable yet humble person.
Please do more content with Hermann!!!!!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!!!!!
This guy is amazing wish I could spend a little time with him just too learn more love his work great video
The only video I've been waiting for in the whole world. The edits are fire...LOL
"...an engine costs more than an ECU." Solid advice there to consider
What a wonderful knowledgeable guy to listen to. We need more technical stuff not just surface car stuff.
That's a real petrol head.
Great video..Herman is a great guy and tuner. Always a pleasure having my cars tuned by him..they drive out there better then before!
In terms of SA manufactured standalone Ecu's I only use Powermods, can control a direct injection motor and a host of other things to boot.
And Powermods back up support is outstanding.
Look at a PM600, no other SA standalone ecu can compare.
Also, climbing in a car in 10 degree cold and it starts instantly and follows the warm up cycle exactly like the factory ecu and it performs like it should, you would never guess the car had a standalone ecu installed.
Those are big plus points.
Powermods for me thanks.
@@deancrawford2577 facts
Even during the period they were known as gotech their ecu's where the best in SA according to spec sheet compared to everyone else
@s.a.f.r.a6403 but gotech never had great after sales support right?
@arthurasia9300 this isnt the 80s and 90s anymore alot has changed, powermods has one of the best aftersales support
Hard to compare tow vehicles to sports cars…
We basically talking about performance, correct?
Dictator , spitronics, blue arc etc def entry level is good for a golf 8v or Opel Corsa
If you got a 1jz 2jz rb25 sr20 ej20 etc why would you want a entry level Ecu that only does fuel and spark
Trusting a 50k-150k engine on a Ecu “the brains” that cost 5k
I say this with no disrespect to any Ecu out there but if you planning on running a modified engine , turbo/supercharger/high comp itbs then do yourself a favour, get the haltech / link / Ecu master - SAFETY FEATURES SAVE ENGINES (oil pressure/knock/fuel pressure/air temp/closed loop/flex fuel etc)
Well I will be running a 300k 2jz with a B.A. if u tune shit a good ecu won't fix your inputs
The BlueArc ECU does all this in one Ecu and we've developed it to use USB printer cable to connect to the ECU with our BlueArc ECU software.
Engine Type
Rotary 1,2 And 3 Rotary and
1 to 12 cylinders.
Trigger Inputs - can be hall or inductive, all in one unit. All selectable on the BlueArc Ecu software
Distributor
Ls1 24 Unevenly spaced
18 - 1 + Cam home (Nissan)
24 - 2 , 24 - 0 + Cam home
36 - 1, 36 - 1 + Cam home
36-2-2-2 ROTARY
36-2-2-2 SUBARO
36 - 2, 36 - 2 + Cam home
60 - 2, 60 - 2 + Cam home
60 - 2 + 2, 60 - 2 + 2 + Cam home
Crank / Trigger offset can be adjusted from -400° to +400°, to calibrate actual timing and Flip Cam home.
Inputs x 10 - 2 x fixed, 8 x reconfigurable depending on configuration.
3 x Resister to Ground - Temp sensors, Fuel / Timing / Boost Trim pots…
2 x 5V ADC’s - TPS, AFR input, Fuel / Timing / Boost Trim pots…
2 x Hall / inductive - Trigger Input & Cam Home
1 x 12V ADC - Air con, Immobilizer, Activate switch…
2 x Signal to Ground - Immobilizer, Activate switch…
Outputs x 21 - most are reconfigurable depending on configuration.
6 x ignition outputs
7 x injector outputs
3 x relay outputs
4 x idle control outputs
1 x 5V sensor supply
Reconfigurable Outputs
Vvt 1 pulsed frequency 0 to 400Hz with map or Tps Map,Vvt 2 pulsed 0 to 400Hz with map or Tps Map and Dbw 0 to 400Hz with map or Tps Map, Fuel pump , Aux Fuel pumps , Starter Relay , Boost Ctrl , Air con Relay, Ign Relay , Nitro switching , VTEC switching , Fan/Water pump Relays… The outputs are control with a list of combinations of options / ranges of: RPMs, Loads, Temperatures, and Battery Voltages. With the option of Adding fuel and timing per Output. Drive by Wire Throttle and Electronic bypass Valve.
Reconfigurable RevCouter output
Injector Options - trimming per cylinder (cam home required)
Resolution 0.001 ms
Full Sequential. Up to 6 Cylinder
Semi-Sequential. Up to 12 Cylinder
Full Sequential plus Auxiliary injections. Depending on number of cylinders.
Semi-Sequential plus Auxiliary injections. Depending on number of cylinders.
Batch Fire - ignition divided by 2, for every second ignition event all injectors are fired at once.
Auto tuning AFR with realtime AFR Data logging displayed in the Fuel map.
AFR Safety cutout requires a exturnal AFR gauge
Ignition Options - trimming per cylinder (cam home required)
Ignition Timing Resolution 0.001 Degrees
Single coil
Wasted spark
Multi coil per cylinder up to 6 cylinder - Each coil fires individually - cam home is needed will run in wasted spark mode if no Cam home is seen.
Multi Spark - Can fire up to 11 times Piston, Rotary's 33 Leading and 3 on Trailing. Per ignition event. Number of extra sparks are decreased as RPM increases automatically (prevent over laps).
Start Delay Spark - to prevent backfires on ignition on/off. On high compression. Engines to achieve more inertia before ignitions are fired.
Multiple Rev Limiters
Methods: Cut spark , Cut fuel or Cut fuel and spark
Rev Limiters Types:
Main Rev Limiter - Changes map scaling but does not influence the maps
Cold Rev Limiter - prevents over revving on cold engines
Over Boost Limiter and warning Buzzer - For engine protection and also Changes map scaling but not the increments of the maps
Auxiliary Rev Limiter (Launch control)
Cut spark or cut fuel or both. Enrichment and timing retard on request. Also has a variable trim Function Rpm can be adjusted via a trim pot.
Auxiliary Rev Limiter (Semi-launch control) Minimize wheel spin. Boost on gear shifting (Flat Shifting).
Overheat cutout and warning Buzzer
Engine Cut on Hot Water Temperature.
Compensation Maps - Individual maps for adding fuel and timing on :
Battery voltage
Water temp
Air Temp
Aux Temp
Altitude - Build in Barometric pressure sensor.
Electronic Boost Controller - (Standard 4 Bar map sensor -1 to 3 Bar maximum boost) Optional Trim pot if configured for adjustable boost level.
Boost Control Options
Disable Boost Control after RPM - Functions to go back to gate pressure after specific RPM has been reached
Turbo timer based, temp and or time based
Idle Control - 6% to 80% duty cycle per RPM range as well as frequency 4 - 200 Hertz per RPM range
Dual Fuel Mapping - Run 2 types of fuels on different maps with separate injectors at the same time. Optional fuel Trim pot if configured.
MAP & TPS based - Rotary and (Wild camshaft with High compression engines) On low RPM there are no Vacuum and engine too Rich. To overcome this problem you can take fuel away on TPS fuel Map.
Timing Map - Optional timing Trim pot if configured.
MAP based
TPS based
Data Logging - Can be used for fault finding and analytical data
Cranking - Add fuel on Cold and normal temperature.
Options - with safety activation input is also available
Push button Starting
Push pedal Starting
Software Update - Software and Firmware Update is done via USB printer cable
No running around to find a communication cable.
READY TO SAVE?
CONTACT Chris De Weerdt 0827431723
© 2016 BLUEARC ECU Engine Management System.
can we get a review on different piggyback systems and their feature sets?
Stock ECU FTW🎉
Yeah.. Deactivating the immobilizer for engine swap purposes is a big hassle on some ecus tho. On my 95' mercedes W202 C280 noone has yet to program the immo out of the ecu. It can be done only with an emulator and mercedes diagnostic equipment which costs more than 1000 dollars.. I'm sure noone ever stole a W202 xd.
And all i can think of is the very cheaty yellow mk3 golf at the lemons race. XD
Awesome content. ty
I think you have to go through a bluearc ecu and see what you can do.
I can guarantee that you will be very very surprised.
Bluearc can do fueling per cylinder too.
Per cylinder safety protocols
Multi spark
Built in dbw
Boost control logic
(By gear and rpm)
Sustech very good
Spitronics good
Dicktator aaaaah beginning stage
By far the most respected ecu is a motec ecu
you know how I adjust my ECU with just a flat screwdriver
Hermann is Gifted, He is a god in cars. He never goes wrong
Very well done and informative episode.
Hermann is building my future high performance engine.
Love the video, great thinking. My issue I have with lambda and EGT Pyro tuned engines, is now we have a difference in BMEP across cylinders, do we now have a dynamic shift in harmonics to consider now that the crank is getting varying load amounts from each cylinder, it definitely gets you thinking about harmonic frequencies again 😉
Brilliant content bro. Management systems understood. 🤝
Making me think...i can do that...Hermann logic,legend
Love this type of content. Very kwaai for us ouens that dont know a lot 😅
The best ecu is the one your tuner knows well.
And when I say we'll I mean really well.
To this day this is a question I always ask 😂 eager to find an answer now lol
I say any management for any engine.
Loads of people don't have the budget even when they ask what is the best ecu.
great content as always, learning new things everyday
and thats why ill choose the powermods over the dictator as it runs std,60-2 36-1 etc etc has 4 GPO outs and can control fan, can do phase and full sequential, has dual maps, can do DBW, can even do flex fuel etc etc for way less money than the dictator, dictator cant do most of that, and if u want it, to you have to spend even more money to get external modules for it. so cost to feature set it wins hands down even compared to the spitronics
What is DBW,4 GpO and flex fuel.
I enjoyed this video, Very informative...")
Learnt a lot. Great video.
Give that man a Bells 😅
The best ECU is an open source ECU (Speeduino). Completely customizable and add on with modules. You can buy R15k ECU for 1 feature that sub R8k ECUs don't have. I think Spitronics have been "adding" VVTi control for the past 12 years with the Mercury 2, now even the Mercury 3 still doesn't have pure VVTi control...
Wholeheartedly agree with this
Thanks Hermann 👍
Herman seems like a top guy, thanks Ernest top content, where do I find Herman’s workshop
What custom ECU would work for a convertible BMW 330ci e46?
You should perhaps look at the RBT EFi which is new on the market aswell.
Ayyy Jono. That would probably fit under the blanket of Speeduino.
very informative and not opinionated video.we could sit for hours.well done sir.after being in the motor trade for almost forever and having had my fair share of dictator spitronic and even gotech.i only have one issue with all aftermarket systems.They cannot hold their memory like oem manufacturer ecu's.once that map goes and you have to get it to a workshop and standing in the middle of nowhere.thats the time you know you're i.d.k.plus it then has to be retuned if the original map wasn't backed up.
so its all about what you want
i get what his saying yes basic ecus can run times, but they unable to protect the engine like the more premier ECUS and every feature is going to cost money, then there is DSG the entry level ecus cant control it.
I hear this a lot. 'X cheap ECU runs the times', as if that's the only thing that people care about. I care about getting into my car, turning the key and driving it within the first 30 seconds of start up. Being able to drive and have an amazing road experience and then taking it to the track and beating on it and thereafter driving home.
I think this is quite bias given blue arc as a lot of features with multiple plugins and outputs. Besides that aspect the blue arc support would be amping the best. As when you buy blue arc you get Chris as a contact that would be on call and able to assist almost anywhere in the world as long as you have internet 🤷🏻♂️ do your own research before hearing someone that only chooses Ecu’s that are a part of his business
In my experience the Gotech management is healthier on the engine more than Dicktator
For A4 B6 1.8T (2002) exist an ECU which could replace the factory ECU? I mean i want to keep the car as a daily drive so have to work everything in the car just like with the original ECU,but gives me better and easier acess for tuning options?
ECUMaster EMU Black would be your cheapest option, it supports the VW/Audi CANBUS Protocols as well as drive by wire etc.
What about Speeduino? It's tier 3, but is it better than some tier 3 ecus?
It's probably due to the fact that it's open source, there is no direct support line since it's not built by a single manufacturer and depending on who built it you can also have weird issues like noise on the triggers due to poor shielding or electrical noise suppression. But Speeduino ftw, I've wired and tuned so many of them now and they're amazing for the price.
OG Herman tunes my b20turbo and rs3.
Hi can you perhaps do some more research about the BlueArcECU and do a video about it I'm pretty sure if you give uncle Chris from BlueArcECU a call he would explain it a bit better to you
Good day very good Video, just a pity he does not know about the features of a Bluearc ECU and the precision of a BlueArc ECU, He did not comment allot of a BlueArc witch is good , but will sugest to Do his homework before commenting on a BlueArc, you can put in in the tier 1 class when it comes to the price, yes it is The most expensive on Tier 1 but have allot more futures , accuracy and beter suport then the rest on tier 1, And it is a customer driven ECU, if you want to add a future to the ECU you contact BlueArc and thy will add it if it is possible.
😂Mr page.. How are you doing my friend 😅
Which car is the best! 😂
Powermods ?? I fitted powermods and they are very easy and flexible to the engines needs
Mr turbo is also good
How come you guys don't even mention the Fueltech FT700. Way superior than many of the ones you talked about, cheaper and with integrated dash and touchscreen. I mean for real if you are going to talk ECU at least get it right. Btw you can put it in the TIER3, with prices under Motec and you get a free dash and a lot more stuff in comparison. I have build cars with M130, FT450/550/600, MS2/3 ECU, and boy did you left out the best one.
Speeduino best for cheap you literally build it urself
BS!!!!! At around 14:45 in this video I heard enough of this sales pitch. Firstly, any Subaru owner will never tune their car on Tier 1 software, doesn't matter which way you spin it. Why on earth will you want to ignore Subaru OEM Advanced Warning Systems, and rather tune on software that will do a hard cut when it is to late? (not sure if the hard cut explained means limp mode or engine broken) That car comes with advanced electronics, sensors, turbo actuation, injector pulse, cam angel, etc, etc. All communicating to a brilliantly designed ECU. It determines everything, from speed sensors at every wheel (making traction control so brilliant) , to your engine protection strategy, like taking into consideration the 'fuel film on last cylinder' you referred to. Respectfully Sir, if you are going to attack ECU's that are not even in your league, you need to advise your customers that those same ECU buyers will know that they also need a Power Control Module. Already equipped to read any and every sensor available on the market. I will make an educated guess, but I am sure most people on this platform are not too worried about pulling boats to the Vaal river. That is like being stuck in the 90's while the tuning world has evolved. And if you are still stuck there, hopefully you know someone with a 3L Ford Cortina, nothing will get you there more in style. Especially if that Cortina is bagged!
RusEFI
no one spoke about powermods ecu .i guess he says spitronics is the best in my opinion
Would just be you and powermods neh😂😂😂
There's alot of guys using it nd the fastest e30 in SA was running it
Save yourself 17 mins buy the most applicable ecu for you needs often ruled by budget for average folk