What most depressing part of this conflict is that when the junta is eventually defeated, its highly likely that the resistance groups will start fighting amongst themselves over the power gap.
There have already been several massacres Rohingya people by the Arakan Army, which is one of the main components of the rebel alliance, even as the Rohingya paramilitary group ARSA is also a part of that alliance. The fall of the Tatmindaw (assuming it actually happens) will in no way mean the end of the Myanmar conflict. Best case scenario, it will mean that the conflict beecomes considerably less intense, and negotiations can begin that lead toward lasting peace. There would still be a few years of conflict, but this conflict would slowly wind down as the new government becomes more stable and more widely accepted as legitimate by the people. But it could just as well result in Myanmar deteriorating further toward total anarchy (as happened in Somalia after the United Somali Congress ousted the Barre Junta in 1991), or negotiations between rebel groups could fall through leading to another civil war a few years from now (as happened in Libya after the National Transition Council ousted Gaddafi in 2011, only for the country to descend into a far longer and bloodier civil war in 2014)
@@p00bix Best chance Burma has of remaining a unified country is to institute a federal democracy in which Burma gets divided into states where the minorities can govern their own affairs at a state level. Otherwise it will collapse like Yugoslavia did in the 1990s.
As someone who has been watching the news reports tick in since the beginning of the coup, the lack of attention about this conflict in major news organisations is genuinely ridiculous. The lives of an entire country have been uprooted for the past couple years, and barely anyone has noticed. I personally would love an episode covering the history of the conflict, and the parties involved just so that more people can get an idea about what is going on over there.
Yep, I remember the day the coup happened and the military arrested the president. Almost zero coverage, I randomly saw it the day it happened and I've paid attention since.
It’s because it’s entirely a civil war and not a transnational affair or case of aggression by a foreign country. On top of that Ukraine, Gaza, and Sudan are far more bloody conflicts/genocides. It’s also not a jihadi conflict like the Sahel insurgencies, nor is it a civil war that is partly a proxy conflict like the civil wars in Syria, Sudan, and Yemen are. It’s certainly a shame it isn’t talked about more in western media, but it’s understandable why.
Think of the major conflicts in Africa covered by Whistleboi.. I haven't seen any other report on them anywhere. Mind you, I don't watch conventional news or tv, but it's still shocking..
As a Burmese citizen, I am pretty sure that the majority, i mean like three-fourths of the population see the resistance forces as their saviors. And PDFs(NUG arm wing) and EROs(3BHA and ethnic forces) already have some agreements over how they will manage the government post-revolution. The main thing that unite these forces are due to the fact that they have the same enemy and they believed that other things can be sorted out with political negotiations after all these are done.
I wish you and your country the best. Sadly, history has shown that after a group of different rebels win a war, they usually turn on each other and start a new civil war. I hope this won't be the case for Myanmar after the current war ends.
Broo we are already fighting each other in the chin state... CNA along with about 20 groups attack us (zra) and also CNA also attack AA...i think this conflict will not end with overthrowing the government... A lot has to be done
I hope you are correct. It’s saddening when rebels defeat dictators only to devolve countries into more civil warfare between their different groups. There are too many past examples of that.
I truly hope that they can truly come together like that. I've been following the conflict off and on since the initial coup videos and the rebels started looking for 3D2A advice.
I'm glad Myanmar is getting media attention again. I'm sorry to hear what's going on in Myanmar. I visited Burma a few years ago as a tourist. It's a beautiful country with wonderful, welcoming people. My heart and prayers go out to Myanmar and her people. ☮✌
No doubt, Myanmar is a beautiful wonderful country and Myanmar people are awesome. I hope Myanmar manages to sort things out. I wish them peace and prosperity! ✌
You think it will matter? It would be one thing if it was unique, but people living under tyrants is the norm in the world. Conflicts and other savage behavior takes place constantly all over the world. Nobody has time for a country that's always in chaos.
@ohlordy9680 You mentioned that the vast majority of the population in Australia/New Zealand, tens of millions of Europeans were from all over Europe brought in over to the Asia-Pacific region. Same here in North & South America where the vast majority of the population hundreds of millions of Europeans were from all over every corner of Europe brought in over to occupy the Native American lands. 😔 Europe for Native Europeans, Africa for Native Africans, America for Native Americans, Asia-Pacific for Native Asians-Pacific islanders.
There’s a slight error at 9:32. Simon states that “The Karen National Liberation Army and the Karenni control much of the border with *China.”* That area is actually where Myanmar’s border with Thailand is.
I lived/worked in Myanmar for 9 years and left at the start of COVID. It's a quagmire, but the junta is evil and needs to go. The "normal" people of the country are some of nicest I've ever met....I hope the best and pray for them.
The reason why the country is a mess is because of Shwe Gas Reserve, everything else is noise. US and allies doesn’t like it’s connected to China, so tried democratize Myanmar out of Chinese influence in 2011. That failed. Then tried to carve out an Islamic State of Rakhine via the Rohingya to seize it. That failed. Then financed anti-Junta rebels who so happened to focus on the pipeline. That’s a tie. Now the US, Netherlands, and Chrisitan NGO’s are financing Kuki Chrisitan militants to replace Rohingya Muslims in establishing a Chrisitan state to secure Shwe. While this occuring the CIA doing its own thing and financing Arakan Buddhists to clean out Muslims and Christian’s both. Recently Bangladesh had a coup, why? sheikhs Hasina said it’s cause she refused to hand over to Biden St. Martin island for their Myanmar operation, so student protests were exploited for regime change. Myanmar, Bangladesh, and India were all fighting Kuki’s to prevent their emergence. The outcome of all this is the Junta will collapse, China will lose Shwe access, non Burmese will started fighting amongst themsles like the Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Kuki’s will waltz through and face off with Arakan Buddhists. Another ex of US vs US proxy war where the US wins and everyone else loses. When you take all of this into account, it’s easy to understand why the junta is ‘evil’ becuase one must be an asshole to try and maintain order in this chaos. Look at Iraq and Libya after Saddam and Qaddafi. Soon to be Myanmar after Junta.
@@anantachonnambat6701 the only problem is we are fighting among ourself for territoty as well.... Last time CNA attack us and they lost about 100+ men while we lost 5 men... We might look like we are working together to fight the government but every group has its own goal so... It's really complicated here
Thank you guys for covering this so consistently. My parents worked for NGOs in Thailand for years assisting refugees from Myanmar (Burma’s) civil wars and ethnic cleansing campaigns. It’s been a chronically underreported part of the world in Western media and I’m glad Warographics and Simon takes the time to cover it. Thank you!
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most ignorant noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most ignorant noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining us. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever.
As a Burmese national, it hurts to see what my country is going through and this channel did really well in explaining the situation. Best case scenario is honestly a federal government “imitating the USA” according to the NUG but that is highly unlikely as both the rebels and NUG are unstable amongst themselves and is highly inexperienced to form a successful federal government and rebuild a broken and divided nation. Obviously, the worst case scenario is Myanmar ending up like Yugoslavia. Economically as well, both the real GDP and PPP are at an all time low with uncontrollable inflation and downward spiral of the country’s currency. Best we can do is pray for the best and hope for the worst.
As an Indian who learned history and North East Indian politics, Couldn’t agree with you more but I am praying that my country will not be drawn into that nutty war.. stay safe brother and get out if you can
As a fan of your channel from Myanmar, I am very thankful that you made this video. Among the 3 plans you suggest, plan C (China intervention) is very possible if the rebels managed to capture Mandalay. But most likely for rescueing their citizens just like Yemen Civil War. Plan B(internal cour) almost happened days before Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi visit to Nay Pyi Taw. People are speculating that it failed. Plan A is surprisingly the hardest among the 3 plans currently. Because revolt by the people is impossible when you don't have enough weapons for Urban warfare. Warsaw uprising is a perfect example.
As a citizen from Myanmar, thank you for covering and paying attention to Myanmar conflict. Things are being hopefully and dark lately. We( the rebels/ freedom fighters) are wining a lot but with a lot of casualties and civilians dead cuz of the shelling and bombing day and night. This might be the final war to the true democracy in Myanmar and we need all the help we can get. Again, thank you for covering and paying attention to Myanmar.
I have a friend from Myanmar/Burma. He moved when he was a teen and all he remembered was constant people coming and going from his city to fight. He eventually moved to the US and has some interesting stories. I'd love to hear more about TBHA and Myanmar because he cannot speak very good english.
Sorry to break you in Warographics, as a native citizen of Myanmar, who knows in the ongoing civil war inside out of the nation, the game has just started - a long trail to end in fact.
Will it ever be "over"? The rebels are winning, yes, but the rebel army itself is splintered and divided among tribal and ethnic lines 🤷🏻♀️ And they've been fighting among themselves in the past. So, the Military Junta loosing, might not "end" the civil war
Who said the rebels hate each other? None of the rebels are calling for speratism nor does anyone have ambition to control the whole country. The victories happening now are in the ethnic regions. It's coming into the central areas which is a Bamar vs Bamar fight
Lol it's almost like a bunch of brits carved up random lines through a jungle and like 30 different ethnic groups were inside of this one or something.
@TTKDMS Yes, they were easy to conquer due to being so divided. Like India was. Ultimately if you aren't a nation state then you won't fare well in the long term. Existing on the tribal level is so backward you'll never achieve anything.
Yes, it will be over sooner than you think. The rebels WERE splintered and WERE fighting among themselves in the past, but NOW, they are UNITED against a common enemy and they have a common goal to form a federal / confederate union of states.
well..someone may know me..i am the gen Z who fighting aginst junta force in myanmar..in yangon the situation is preety tight..the military is roaming around of people house..we cant get internet and electricity most of the time...i dont know what is happening exactly to them..but i am sure that they are starting to scare..but still they are cruel animals..like a dying wolf..also we are really tired now..i am just 19 and we've been fighting for 4 years just to get back our life and dreams..really men..i dont want nothing..just a normal life with the girl i love..i really want live peacefully after this..but as u see our life are very unsure right now..i want to protect the people..i still have to do my best for all of them and for the country until the war end..i erally really cant let this happens again in my future generation..we youth will fight this war to end all wars from my country..also thanks for your video..i am glad the world is still remembering us :'>
I remember when people said the Syrian Civil War had reached its "Endgame" in late 2012, when it looked as though the FSA offensive in the eastern suburbs of Damascus might result in either Damascus being besieged by the FSA, or fear of such a siege triggering a palace-coup to replace Assad with a military junta which would try to negotiate with the rebels. There were very similar predictions in 2021 that the TPLF would march on Addis Ababa and that negotiations would soon begin between the TPLF, Government remnants, and various ethnic paramilitaries, to craft a new constitution for Ethiopia. And now, in 2024, it looks as if the military dictatorship is on the verge of collapse. But the closer the Tatmindaw is to collapse, the more likely it is that some rebel groups would attack their former allies, hoping to get a larger share of power after the Tatmindaw is defeated, or that a neighboring country might take steps to prop up the regime for fear that Myanmar could fall under the influence of geopolitical rivals, and/or become an even bigger hotspot for drug trafficking and small outbreaks of cross-border violence. Saying that any war has entered its 'endgame', especially a war where a massively ideologically, religiously, linguistically, and ethnically divided rebel coalition is seeking to overthrow an incumbent government, is a great way to all but guarantee that whatever other statements you make about that war will age VERY poorly.
Something tells me that the Junta is hoping that if they hold out long enough, then the rebels will fragment and start fighting each other. That seems to be their strategy.
Simon and co mentions their thoughts on the likelihood of a Chinese intervention. Syria was changed by how many foreign actors started to take part. al-Assad was starting to get Russian military aid at that time.
I can see Myanmar possibly going the way of Afghanistan after the 1980s after the Soviets have left, the Afghan government was still in a state of flux and the peace lasted 3 years until the mujahideen decided to fight each other for control.
The difference between those two is that both of those groups the SAA and ENDF both had major power bases they could draw from. The Alawites and Shia with the SAA and the Amharas with the ENDF. The Tatmadaw have not power base. It's supporters are scattered among a unsupportive population rather than being considerated in a single area where they make up the majority.
I remember when this resistance got seriously underway, I was seeing stuff all over Twitter. I’m sure the leaders of the rebel forces aren’t angels, but these leaders couldn’t accomplish anything without the people being behind them, as the junta is rapidly learning. So I’m happy to see the people of Myanmar taking their nation back; whatever other issues arise from the new leadership, can be handled after the junta is gone. With any luck, the people will have learned that no government is more powerful than its united people, so I believe that they can take care of their nation.
@@JM-mh1pp perhaps, but the people have spoken through who they’ve chosen to support. I’m gonna trust the people of Myanmar on this one. If it turns out they made a mistake, they can always throw the new leaders out too.
@@TheCrazyCapMaster I do not think people support anyone. Most people want to live, support their families, and live in peace, they do not care who is in charge
Oh, brother you will be tired. Trust me it dates back to 1962. And yeah, with all the different groups forming and separating since then. You will need to know lots and lots of these small facts to understand what is the cause of the conflict with the Junta and why there are conflicts even between the rebel groups. themselves. I as a Burmese, still have no idea how the conflicts could play out or cease.
Myanmar is a wonderful place and people.Its very sad that all this is going on,they were doing brilliantly.Lets hope that peace and unity comes soon.Vive la Résistance !
Myanmar’s conflict has roots going back to 1948 when the country gained independence from Britain. Since then, multiple insurgencies have sprung up, making this one of the world’s longest-running civil wars.
The Burman racial supremacist group in his own party, the AFPFL, assassinated the independence hero, Aung San, who was the most sensible leader for promising equality for all the ethnic groups. This racial supremacist group kicked out the communist group, the Burma Communist Party (BCP) in the AFPFL to get the trust of the British. Then they military attacked the largest ethnic group, the Karen, for demanding the creation of a Karen State out of their ancestral land. It thought that it could easily eliminate the Karen movement militarily with the support of the British. However, massive military aid from the British failed to wipe out the Karen resistance. In time, the war against the Karen caused the breakout of rebellion by the other ethnic nationalities. A split occurred in the AFPFL into the so-called Stable AFPFL led by the racial supremacist group and the Clean AFPFL led by the former close colleague of Aung San. In the election in 1960, the Clean AFPFL/Union Party won a land-slide victory and it started taking steps for turning the country into a Federal State. Hence, the racial supremacist group drummed up the specter of the country becoming a Communist State. It was at a time when the Cold War was at its height and the Domino Theory was gaining ground. The democracies led by the British and the US had to intervene using the chief of Burma's military, General Ne Win, as a client. Powerful democratic countries continued to support and treat the military juntas with a kid glove well after the Cold War, that was just before the military seized power on the First of February 2021, with the hope of reforming it into a democracy. The rest is now being performed on stage and most likely a finale. We people of Burma sincerely hope that all powers concerned - China, India, Russia, Japan, the British, the US, etc. would do something positive for the restoration of peace to Myanmar/Burma without delay.
I hope the Junta comes to regret its actions and Myanmar can restore the government. Footage of the coup unfolding out in the middle of that dance exercise teacher's video was shocking to see. Such a normal day and then suddenly boom, the military dictatorship is back in your life.
@@stevenoviedo541 They did until they were mostly voted out. They were not as popular as they thought, and the loss of power made them decide to overthrow democracy and return themselves to power just like in the days of Ne Win. Unfortunately for them, the people of Myanmar/Burma not only remember the junta's oppression but also life free from their rule. They weren't going to let the country become a dictatorship again.
I remember when a swedish svt "journalist" was reporting from his 5 star hotel in central Bangkok about the fighting in Yangon..over 370 miles(600km) away.and he was "hearing" and seeing" the protests on the streets in Yangon .. Thats the news coverage of Myanmar in a nutshell.
Please, would love a deep dive into the history of this conflict. Thanks to your channel I've been following the war very closely, whenever I talk to anyone about it they have no idea it's even happening. That being said, of the people aware of the current conflict, I doubt many have in-depth knowledge as to what led up to it. An in-depth vid would be super appreciated!
I lived/taught in Myanmar in 2011. Such a beautiful, but mistreated place and people. They could rise to greatness, should the world ever care to assist the millions trapped between bad and evil. My heart is with the friends I made along the way, there’s literally nothing the people are able to do except watch and wait for this to stabilize while they continue to suffer. Ugh 😢👎🏼❤️
Greetings from Aotearoa 🇳🇿Yes! Please do a deep dive on the history of the conflict in Myanmar! Also have to say I’m a massive fan of all your channels! Keep up the great work! 🤘😎🤘
USD exchange rate before coup 2021 was around 1250 kyats for 1 dollar ( myanmar currency ) . Now it's around 8000 or more. Just so u can see how well the country is doing .
What do you expecting within the ongoing war situation, good economic system ? There is no income money from foreign no export only import item within country and the war is still going in fact there is nothing we can expect as long as the situation is going well ..
Shortly before Pearl harbor, a civilian organization called the Civil Air Patrol was signed into existence by the Congress, allowing civilians to participate in the national defense and especially with shoreline reconnaissance. During the events of WWII, the Civil Air Patrol proved to be critical to the defense of the sprawling US shoreline, locating and even bombing several U-boats. Their efforts would go on to lead directly to the capture of the first enigma machine, a major turning point for the allies. The organization is still around today, having transitioned to a primarily youth organization in the 50's (I think, not 100% on that one but you gotta pay your writers to do something, right?). Their primary functions now include land based search and rescue across the Continental US, and some work in Canada and Mexico as well. They assist and often lead disaster relief efforts, including during 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. They are America's unsung heros, truly. During the grounding of all flights in US airspace after the attacks of 9/11, CAP was the only non-military organization allowed to fly, and nearly every photo of 9/11 from the air was taken by a CAP pilot. It is an incredible organization and would be a great fit for most of your channels, but especially Today I Found Out. No one knows about them but everyone has been impacted by their efforts. Feel free to PM if you have questions, I was part of the organization for nearly 10 years and was quite high in the organization. It's a military-esque organization similar to ROTC, but actually MORE affiliated with the military, and has been credited with saving civilian aviation during WWII, when many nations were banning it, we encouraged it and integrated it. When the government wouldn't give them permission to drop bombs, a pilot dropped flour sacks on the white house, showing that not only could they be accurate, but also exposing a HUGE gap in aerial coverage and protection for the capital. I would LOVE to see you do a report on this
_"During the events of WWII, the Civil Air Patrol proved to be critical to the defense of the sprawling US shoreline, locating and even bombing several U-boats. Their efforts would go on to lead directly to the capture of the first enigma machine, a major turning point for the allies."_ The first Enigma Machine was capture by the British Royal Navy in the North Atlantic in May 9, 1941- before USA join the WWII. Is not good idea use Hollywood as source of history. 😜
This is great information. Thank you. And yes, the search and rescue teams are unsung heroes. There are dog breeders who will donate pups to search and rescue teams.
Living and working in bangkok ive seen a real influx of Myanmar refugees here since start . But many are now going back so some areas are probably getting safer
Thank you for continuing to cover the civil wars and conflicts that are happening around the world that most news and journalists aren't covering!!@! 🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌
As of this time: 1) Rakhine State: Arakan Army gets almost all of Rakhine, except Sittwe, Taungup, Ann, parts of Maungdaw and Gwa, the southernmost town. They're clashing not only with Junta, but also several Rohingya rebel groups that either aligned with the Junta or defending themselves against both sides. There are also like allied to SAC like the ALA that hated Arakan Army that much. ARSA and RSO, the leading Rohingya rebel groups fight on all sides. 2) Kachin State: Kachin Independence Army getting swathes of land, closing in on Myitkyina, Bhamo and other major Kachin State cities. Facing them were the Junta. There are also minor rebel groups that aligned with both sides. NDA-K was on the government, presence of PDF, the armed wing of the NUG was insured assistance for both sides. There's also Indian insurgents hiding in the forests and mountain near the border. 3) Chin State: Chin Defence Force had 2 sides now: Chin National Army, and Chin Brotherhood Alliance. They're facing both the Junta, the ZRA, and sometimes infighting among themselves. But they're effectively taken over the state, leaving only pockets of Junta positions in urban areas. 4) Karenni State: the 4K Alliance, made up of KNLA, KNDF, KA, and PDFs who made up of Karennis and a Karen rebel group still encircling on Loikaw. Other urban areas are in encirclement. 5) Kayah and Mon States: The Karen rebel groups made up of KNU are still fighting not only the Junta, but also Karen rebel groups that aligned with them. Several Mon rebel groups are also fighting the Junta. Despite setbacks in capturing Myawaddy and other urban areas, Karen rebels are in control of the areas around them. Mon rebels are setting up roadblocks and ambushes along the highway to the southernmost town of Myanmar. With PDF support, the rebel groups had a foothold and same ideas. 6) Dry States: PDF and other Bamar rebel groups are doing guerrilla ops against the Junta, with drone strikes on the Junta air bases are common and a strike on the SAC leadership's houses were boosting morale. The rebel groups are now planning to besiege many areas, like Mandalay for example. 7) Shan State: Northern Shan State borders and urban areas was solidly on Three Brotherhood Alliance hands now, besides Muse. The rebels are going south, but hampered not only by Junta, but also Shan State Army - North, which had a deal with the Junta to not spread the rebellion southward, but also maintain their positions. Clashes with rebel groups and SSPP were now issolated. TNLA got their share of urban areas, and now assisting the PDF in capturing areas near Mandalay and Madaya. MNDAA are now pushing with TNLA, despite SSPP resistance. Wa State, despite being neutral in this conflict, took over some areas as buffer zones against both sides. Southern Shan State was also chaotic. With two Pa-O rebel groups fighting on different sides, PNLA on the resistance, PNA on the Junta. RCSS was also neutral, but it was in danger of Wa State rebels taking their positions in the border. The two Shan State rebel groups SSPP and RCSS had an uneasy truce. The Karenni rebels also assisted PNLA to push Junta out of the area.
You forgot B-PLA army of the revival Burmese Communist Party (in 2021). The recenlly seige Muong Meed of Shan state, the B-PLA operated with TNLA army. The PDF of Brotherhood allies is B-PLA. No weak and powerless NUG there.
@@centercannothold Nah, the Syrian opposition never really had a figurehead or leader to rally behind, hence why it fell apart so quickly or defected to ISIS who had a full blown Caliph. The rebels in Myanmar have Aung San Suu Kyi as a figurehead and the National Unity Government modelled on the democratic government prior to 2021 to rally behind, they actually have a framework in place ready for the end of the war while the Syrians had nothing in common aside from 'Assad bad'.
I remember all these patters in somalia. SSC, SNM, USC, UCS, RRA. The will become warlords. More powerful than anything we saw in somalia. Tge descent into hell is only starting. Am sorry bro.
I'm always curious why some conflicts get so much media attention and some don't even get a passing mention. Israel Palestine has been talked about EVERY single day for the past 11 months. Yet not a mention of Myanmar. Ukraine Russia is consistently reported, yet no Myanmar again. Who decides what to report? How is that decided?
I dont trust this british individual to try describe my country's complex situation. In reality, the majority of our populations support our rebel forces, including the PDF against the military regime.
Thank you for covering Myanmar. Regarding Tatmadaw soldiers, defections play a significant role in the conflict. Some soldiers defect directly to EOAs, while others defect on their own. Many of them have actively participated in the revolution. There are two channels I’d like to highlight, though I cannot provide the links here. The first is 'Breaking Brainwashed,' a channel run by CDM (Civil Disobedience Movement) soldiers that focuses on reporting and military analysis. The second is 'Nay Myo Zin,' who is active around the Karenni frontline and leads efforts to demoralize frontline outposts, aiming to save soldiers and their families. These channels are in Burmese, but if you need help with translation, please let me know. I believe it's essential to rely on a Burmese perspective because we have found that international experts’ analyses often miss key local insights. For example, the relationship between China and the revolution is frequently misunderstood. Experts overlook the fact that this revolution started as a grassroots movement without a defined leader, and the victories of the EOAs wouldn’t be possible without the support of local communities, especially in terms of information and supplies.
Another point is that after the revolution, there is a concern that it could lead to a fractured state. This might happen, but we all agree that we would rather carry passports to visit different states than let the SAC run the country. However, after three years of fighting, the bond between the Burmese and ethnic groups has grown stronger as we fight a shared enemy, and we are optimistic about keeping the country united. We are all fighting for a federal democracy and agree that more wealth should benefit the local populations, rather than being concentrated in the central government.
I want to share some insights as someone born, raised, and still living in Myanmar. Since 1962, Myanmar has experienced multiple coups, resulting in continuous military control. From 1962 to 2015, the country went through various political systems, all dominated by military dictators. Since 1988, the military has sought to maintain its power, focusing on sustaining its own needs-such as food, energy, and military-owned businesses that operate tax-free-despite the suffering of the people. The military ensured its survival by imposing a constitution in 2008 that permanently reserves 25% of parliamentary seats for military personnel. Behind Myanmar’s political turmoil, countries like Russia, China, India, and some Western nations have tried to exert influence. In 2024, the situation remains bleak, with the junta attempting to bring in Russian military forces, both state and private, under the guise of counter-terrorism. If Myanmar were to become democratic, it could significantly benefit the world economy due to its strategic geopolitical location and potential contributions. Supporting the People’s Defense Force could help achieve this transformation.
@@xsemth I wrote it and check grammar in AI as I am not a native speaker. I just want to make sure the text is clear and concise meaning to understand others.
I am not an expert on the matter, but from what little I know one of the biggest barriers to Myanmar moving away from autocratic control by the military is the fact that, until very recently, the military has never been properly defeated and dissolved or reformed at a base level. Thus, there's always some significant element of empowered military leadership remaining to insist on some manner of control and influence, even behind the facade of a civilian government, and there's always a risk of a coup like in 2021 once they get tired of having to pretend to listen to a civilian government. The Tatmadaw and its leadership are now tasting defeat, and if the Tatmadaw is thoroughly beaten and forcefully dissolved. . .that makes this civil war different from any other changeover of governments in past decades. The military junta is completely out of the picture, and it's down to the many rebel groups and the civilian government-in-exile. . .if they can agree on a more decentralized system of organizing the country that everyone (or almost everyone) can agree with, a better future for Myanmar awaits, without the specter of the military junta hanging over their heads.
@@SilentObserver2009 It's true. The military has always kept its hold over Myanmar, never fully stepping aside, even with a civilian government, like what happened with the coup in 2021. But now, they’re facing a serious defeat, and if they can finally be dissolved, it could take them out of the picture for good. What’s different now is the formation of the National Unity Government (NUG) a few months after the coup, which represents the majority and stands as a legitimate government in exile. If the NUG and the various rebel groups can find common ground on a new, more decentralized way to govern, there might be a real chance for a future without the military’s shadow. It won’t be easy, but it could be the start of real change for Myanmar
@@kyawzay4467I'm from a state in NE India that borders Myanmar. We have heard news about the indian govt supporting the kukis of Chin state belonging to the outfit KNA(B). Those rebels from said outfit are also suspected to have been involved in tensions in another state Manipur. I wonder how true that is. The media here won't mention that ever of course. They're busy blaming China.
Can I please request that you are able to add captions to your videos? I’m a native English speaker but find you speak way too fast to really digest your content… I can’t imagine how it’ll sound to someone who isn’t as proficient in English! Otherwise… please keep up the excellent work!
Would love a deeper dive on the Myanmar conflict. I've been doing research on it for several years now and working with a number of NGOs there - it's a significantly more important situation for global stability than most people realize. Really glad you guys made a video on this; hope to see more!
Since gaining independence from the Brits lol, after Aung Sann was assassinated the military leaders after him couldn't keep their hands to themselves, they just have to seek power for themselves
shatter? why would it shatter? its not made of glass .those rebels are flesh and blood of the populace instead they will unite not shatter in the first place their main goal is to over throw a brutal regime/dictatorship.
You cannot produce electricity or grow enough food in the city strongholds. The rebels just need to cut electricity from the sources and food from the farms to the cities.
I think people have this wrong idea that cities need rural areas, but rural areas don't need cities. The fact of the matter is farmers without access to grain markets, the production capacity of cities, and sea ports will be worse off. The rebels would have to keep farmers from selling in cities which would be deeply unpopular. If the price of their grain is low in the countryside and high in the cities then the farmers will more than likely smuggle their products into cities to keep their families afloat.
@@XandateOfHeaven true but this is a siege the farmers could sell to those around them (plenty if city folk in the country side now) or to even other countries after all the people the governments been bombing is the farmers plus what you don’t understand is the rural areas can be self reliant in terms of food and water the cities mostly can’t
Nah, this is the end game of the first chapter of this civil war… the problem is that Three Brotherhood Alliance. After the Junta gets the boot next is a huge power vacuum, ethnic tensions and just pure power trip. The saddest thing is that it’s a never ending cycle
Best result is probably some federalized or confederated system that gives each region/state a large amount of autonomy to run themselves as they wish with little interference from a central government, while still abiding a certain legal framework and contributing in certain agreed-upon national needs.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle You got called out? Op and you are the kind of person who would rather see people die than actually helping out to prevent. Or at least be respectful to those who has suffered since they were born. This war has been going on for 80 years. Also you can't predict future with 100% certainty. It's really stupid.
@@leachblah6313 No wonder why your country couldn’t escape from this chaos. You guys never want to predict what would happen to your country in the future. Of course, no one could predict 100 % what would happen next in the future. But in politics, you have to always open your eyes, ears and start thinking about the causes and the behavior and movements of your so called trusted groups that would affect the future. You people are so gullible and ignorant to trust one certain group of organization.
Excelent video as always and thanks for highlighting this situation, can you also please do a video on the current situation in mexico and the infighting happening in sinaloa cartel?
Every time my FB friends talk about the bad things that are happening in Ukraine or Palestine. I always reply with "what about Myanmar or the Uyghur in china?". They don't talk about it because it's "not the hot topic" to talk about.
What do Myanmar, Liberia, and the USA have in common? No it isn't just that they're on fire again each time you look, it's the imperial measuring system.
I was first on the Thai Burma border in 1983. Last there in 2001. I spent considerable time with the Karen National Liberation Army. Met and talked with many leaders of the KNLA and other factions. Went on a few operations with the guerrilla. Been shot at, shelled on, and bombed by the Burmese Air Force. In short, my interest was deep. I have zero hope for a lasting peace in Burma. So many lovely people there are at the mercy of the evil and the fanatic. So many atrocities and so much hatred. It is a heartbreaking patch of earth.
dead ass, I saw this just dropped, clicked on it so I could pause it and put on a cup of tea, and then thought, "yup, I'm gonna need to roll one for this one, xl"
What most depressing part of this conflict is that when the junta is eventually defeated, its highly likely that the resistance groups will start fighting amongst themselves over the power gap.
Or they could just start a bloody election like educated people, which I also doubt would happen.
human behavior.
There have already been several massacres Rohingya people by the Arakan Army, which is one of the main components of the rebel alliance, even as the Rohingya paramilitary group ARSA is also a part of that alliance.
The fall of the Tatmindaw (assuming it actually happens) will in no way mean the end of the Myanmar conflict. Best case scenario, it will mean that the conflict beecomes considerably less intense, and negotiations can begin that lead toward lasting peace. There would still be a few years of conflict, but this conflict would slowly wind down as the new government becomes more stable and more widely accepted as legitimate by the people.
But it could just as well result in Myanmar deteriorating further toward total anarchy (as happened in Somalia after the United Somali Congress ousted the Barre Junta in 1991), or negotiations between rebel groups could fall through leading to another civil war a few years from now (as happened in Libya after the National Transition Council ousted Gaddafi in 2011, only for the country to descend into a far longer and bloodier civil war in 2014)
It is inevitable.
I don’t think Myanmar/Burma will exist as a nation soon.
It’s about to go the way of Yugoslavia.
@@p00bix Best chance Burma has of remaining a unified country is to institute a federal democracy in which Burma gets divided into states where the minorities can govern their own affairs at a state level.
Otherwise it will collapse like Yugoslavia did in the 1990s.
As someone who has been watching the news reports tick in since the beginning of the coup, the lack of attention about this conflict in major news organisations is genuinely ridiculous. The lives of an entire country have been uprooted for the past couple years, and barely anyone has noticed. I personally would love an episode covering the history of the conflict, and the parties involved just so that more people can get an idea about what is going on over there.
Western media is duplicitous.
Yep, I remember the day the coup happened and the military arrested the president. Almost zero coverage, I randomly saw it the day it happened and I've paid attention since.
It’s because it’s entirely a civil war and not a transnational affair or case of aggression by a foreign country. On top of that Ukraine, Gaza, and Sudan are far more bloody conflicts/genocides. It’s also not a jihadi conflict like the Sahel insurgencies, nor is it a civil war that is partly a proxy conflict like the civil wars in Syria, Sudan, and Yemen are.
It’s certainly a shame it isn’t talked about more in western media, but it’s understandable why.
I agree but i havent payed to much attention to it i find it interesting how no one knows anything abt it
Think of the major conflicts in Africa covered by Whistleboi.. I haven't seen any other report on them anywhere. Mind you, I don't watch conventional news or tv, but it's still shocking..
As a Burmese citizen, I am pretty sure that the majority, i mean like three-fourths of the population see the resistance forces as their saviors. And PDFs(NUG arm wing) and EROs(3BHA and ethnic forces) already have some agreements over how they will manage the government post-revolution. The main thing that unite these forces are due to the fact that they have the same enemy and they believed that other things can be sorted out with political negotiations after all these are done.
I wish you and your country the best. Sadly, history has shown that after a group of different rebels win a war, they usually turn on each other and start a new civil war. I hope this won't be the case for Myanmar after the current war ends.
Broo we are already fighting each other in the chin state... CNA along with about 20 groups attack us (zra) and also CNA also attack AA...i think this conflict will not end with overthrowing the government... A lot has to be done
Ur not burmese...u are a fake troll
I hope you are correct. It’s saddening when rebels defeat dictators only to devolve countries into more civil warfare between their different groups. There are too many past examples of that.
I truly hope that they can truly come together like that. I've been following the conflict off and on since the initial coup videos and the rebels started looking for 3D2A advice.
I'm glad Myanmar is getting media attention again. I'm sorry to hear what's going on in Myanmar.
I visited Burma a few years ago as a tourist. It's a beautiful country with wonderful, welcoming people.
My heart and prayers go out to Myanmar and her people. ☮✌
No doubt, Myanmar is a beautiful wonderful country and Myanmar people are awesome.
I hope Myanmar manages to sort things out. I wish them peace and prosperity! ✌
I'm sadden by the bloody civil war going on in beautiful Myanmar. My thoughts and prayers go out to Myanmar people.
One word: Peace!
You think it will matter? It would be one thing if it was unique, but people living under tyrants is the norm in the world. Conflicts and other savage behavior takes place constantly all over the world. Nobody has time for a country that's always in chaos.
@ohlordy9680 You mentioned that the vast majority of the population in Australia/New Zealand, tens of millions of Europeans were from all over Europe brought in over to the Asia-Pacific region.
Same here in North & South America where the vast majority of the population hundreds of millions of Europeans were from all over every corner of Europe brought in over to occupy the Native American lands. 😔
Europe for Native Europeans,
Africa for Native Africans,
America for Native Americans,
Asia-Pacific for Native Asians-Pacific islanders.
There’s a slight error at 9:32. Simon states that “The Karen National Liberation Army and the Karenni control much of the border with *China.”*
That area is actually where Myanmar’s border with Thailand is.
He also mentions the Chinese border being under control by other militias later
Right, I also noticed that mistake. Thanks for pointing out
Yeah I was like "Excuse me what?"
Star 😊wars irl
I lived/worked in Myanmar for 9 years and left at the start of COVID. It's a quagmire, but the junta is evil and needs to go. The "normal" people of the country are some of nicest I've ever met....I hope the best and pray for them.
Unfortunately nice people don’t ever end up ruling a country.
Giggity
The reason why the country is a mess is because of Shwe Gas Reserve, everything else is noise. US and allies doesn’t like it’s connected to China, so tried democratize Myanmar out of Chinese influence in 2011. That failed. Then tried to carve out an Islamic State of Rakhine via the Rohingya to seize it. That failed. Then financed anti-Junta rebels who so happened to focus on the pipeline. That’s a tie. Now the US, Netherlands, and Chrisitan NGO’s are financing Kuki Chrisitan militants to replace Rohingya Muslims in establishing a Chrisitan state to secure Shwe. While this occuring the CIA doing its own thing and financing Arakan Buddhists to clean out Muslims and Christian’s both. Recently Bangladesh had a coup, why? sheikhs Hasina said it’s cause she refused to hand over to Biden St. Martin island for their Myanmar operation, so student protests were exploited for regime change. Myanmar, Bangladesh, and India were all fighting Kuki’s to prevent their emergence.
The outcome of all this is the Junta will collapse, China will lose Shwe access, non Burmese will started fighting amongst themsles like the Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Kuki’s will waltz through and face off with Arakan Buddhists. Another ex of US vs US proxy war where the US wins and everyone else loses.
When you take all of this into account, it’s easy to understand why the junta is ‘evil’ becuase one must be an asshole to try and maintain order in this chaos. Look at Iraq and Libya after Saddam and Qaddafi. Soon to be Myanmar after Junta.
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For a while the rebels were using the FGC-9, a 3D printed firearm.
Is it automatic or bolt action
@@ALV694it’s a mag fed semi automatic pistol that kinda looks like a Tec 9 mini. It can take Glock mags too.
@@empirednw6624 you can create a gun like m4 as well not exactly m4 but high caliber but needed to buy the barrel
Truth be told, the rebels are fucking impressive in terms of creativity and resourcefulness.
@@anantachonnambat6701 the only problem is we are fighting among ourself for territoty as well.... Last time CNA attack us and they lost about 100+ men while we lost 5 men... We might look like we are working together to fight the government but every group has its own goal so... It's really complicated here
Far cry 7 just wrote itself
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I could see it 🤣
Probably gonna be as half baked as the rest...
we already have this it's called far cry 4
@@jj_verona make it a battle royal
Thank you guys for covering this so consistently. My parents worked for NGOs in Thailand for years assisting refugees from Myanmar (Burma’s) civil wars and ethnic cleansing campaigns. It’s been a chronically underreported part of the world in Western media and I’m glad Warographics and Simon takes the time to cover it. Thank you!
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most ignorant noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most ignorant noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining this country. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever. Politically active protesters that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground are ruining us. The establishment wants these people ignorant and disillusioned. Chuck shumer just said he wants to give all illegal immigrants the vote. It's like a coup that isn't a coup.
Myanmar, sudan, xinjiang, ethiopia, the sahel, Burkina Faso, aghanistan, nagorno karabakh, yemen, etc all under reported. Even mexico. The only conflicts western media care about are ukraine and Gaza. BTW queers for Gaza is the most lgn0r4nt noun ever.
As a Burmese national, it hurts to see what my country is going through and this channel did really well in explaining the situation. Best case scenario is honestly a federal government “imitating the USA” according to the NUG but that is highly unlikely as both the rebels and NUG are unstable amongst themselves and is highly inexperienced to form a successful federal government and rebuild a broken and divided nation. Obviously, the worst case scenario is Myanmar ending up like Yugoslavia. Economically as well, both the real GDP and PPP are at an all time low with uncontrollable inflation and downward spiral of the country’s currency. Best we can do is pray for the best and hope for the worst.
As a Myanmar citizen, all i have to say about these situation is "everyting is fucked and we're doomed."
As an Indian who learned history and North East Indian politics, Couldn’t agree with you more but I am praying that my country will not be drawn into that nutty war.. stay safe brother and get out if you can
Americans call that Fubar or "fucked up beyond all repair"
Everything's fucked, Everybody suuuuuckhhs - Fred Durst of Limpi Bizkit
@@jacobbarlow6098shocking how few people understand this saying
No offence tho but didn’t Myanmar doomed long ago?…
As a fan of your channel from Myanmar, I am very thankful that you made this video.
Among the 3 plans you suggest, plan C (China intervention) is very possible if the rebels managed to capture Mandalay. But most likely for rescueing their citizens just like Yemen Civil War.
Plan B(internal cour) almost happened days before Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi visit to Nay Pyi Taw. People are speculating that it failed.
Plan A is surprisingly the hardest among the 3 plans currently. Because revolt by the people is impossible when you don't have enough weapons for Urban warfare. Warsaw uprising is a perfect example.
As a burmese citizen I am so happy that people are finally recognising our hardship
Stop stealing ethic groups land and resources. We don’t want to be part of Myanmar
As a citizen from Myanmar, thank you for covering and paying attention to Myanmar conflict. Things are being hopefully and dark lately. We( the rebels/ freedom fighters) are wining a lot but with a lot of casualties and civilians dead cuz of the shelling and bombing day and night.
This might be the final war to the true democracy in Myanmar and we need all the help we can get.
Again, thank you for covering and paying attention to Myanmar.
hold strong my brother! from czech repuhlic.
Democracy is a false god
"Michael" nice Burmese name bro
@@14Misantrop88
Just using fake name
I have a friend from Myanmar/Burma. He moved when he was a teen and all he remembered was constant people coming and going from his city to fight. He eventually moved to the US and has some interesting stories. I'd love to hear more about TBHA and Myanmar because he cannot speak very good english.
Sorry to break you in Warographics, as a native citizen of Myanmar, who knows in the ongoing civil war inside out of the nation, the game has just started - a long trail to end in fact.
Will it ever be "over"? The rebels are winning, yes, but the rebel army itself is splintered and divided among tribal and ethnic lines 🤷🏻♀️
And they've been fighting among themselves in the past. So, the Military Junta loosing, might not "end" the civil war
Who said the rebels hate each other? None of the rebels are calling for speratism nor does anyone have ambition to control the whole country. The victories happening now are in the ethnic regions. It's coming into the central areas which is a Bamar vs Bamar fight
Lol it's almost like a bunch of brits carved up random lines through a jungle and like 30 different ethnic groups were inside of this one or something.
@TTKDMS Yes, they were easy to conquer due to being so divided. Like India was. Ultimately if you aren't a nation state then you won't fare well in the long term. Existing on the tribal level is so backward you'll never achieve anything.
Yes, it will be over sooner than you think. The rebels WERE splintered and WERE fighting among themselves in the past, but NOW, they are UNITED against a common enemy and they have a common goal to form a federal / confederate union of states.
Or they will go back to a messy democracy. You know, like they were before the coup d'etat.
well..someone may know me..i am the gen Z who fighting aginst junta force in myanmar..in yangon the situation is preety tight..the military is roaming around of people house..we cant get internet and electricity most of the time...i dont know what is happening exactly to them..but i am sure that they are starting to scare..but still they are cruel animals..like a dying wolf..also we are really tired now..i am just 19 and we've been fighting for 4 years just to get back our life and dreams..really men..i dont want nothing..just a normal life with the girl i love..i really want live peacefully after this..but as u see our life are very unsure right now..i want to protect the people..i still have to do my best for all of them and for the country until the war end..i erally really cant let this happens again in my future generation..we youth will fight this war to end all wars from my country..also thanks for your video..i am glad the world is still remembering us :'>
stay strong..ma guys
I remember when people said the Syrian Civil War had reached its "Endgame" in late 2012, when it looked as though the FSA offensive in the eastern suburbs of Damascus might result in either Damascus being besieged by the FSA, or fear of such a siege triggering a palace-coup to replace Assad with a military junta which would try to negotiate with the rebels.
There were very similar predictions in 2021 that the TPLF would march on Addis Ababa and that negotiations would soon begin between the TPLF, Government remnants, and various ethnic paramilitaries, to craft a new constitution for Ethiopia.
And now, in 2024, it looks as if the military dictatorship is on the verge of collapse. But the closer the Tatmindaw is to collapse, the more likely it is that some rebel groups would attack their former allies, hoping to get a larger share of power after the Tatmindaw is defeated, or that a neighboring country might take steps to prop up the regime for fear that Myanmar could fall under the influence of geopolitical rivals, and/or become an even bigger hotspot for drug trafficking and small outbreaks of cross-border violence.
Saying that any war has entered its 'endgame', especially a war where a massively ideologically, religiously, linguistically, and ethnically divided rebel coalition is seeking to overthrow an incumbent government, is a great way to all but guarantee that whatever other statements you make about that war will age VERY poorly.
Something tells me that the Junta is hoping that if they hold out long enough, then the rebels will fragment and start fighting each other. That seems to be their strategy.
Simon and co mentions their thoughts on the likelihood of a Chinese intervention.
Syria was changed by how many foreign actors started to take part. al-Assad was starting to get Russian military aid at that time.
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I can see Myanmar possibly going the way of Afghanistan after the 1980s after the Soviets have left, the Afghan government was still in a state of flux and the peace lasted 3 years until the mujahideen decided to fight each other for control.
The difference between those two is that both of those groups the SAA and ENDF both had major power bases they could draw from. The Alawites and Shia with the SAA and the Amharas with the ENDF. The Tatmadaw have not power base. It's supporters are scattered among a unsupportive population rather than being considerated in a single area where they make up the majority.
I remember when this resistance got seriously underway, I was seeing stuff all over Twitter. I’m sure the leaders of the rebel forces aren’t angels, but these leaders couldn’t accomplish anything without the people being behind them, as the junta is rapidly learning. So I’m happy to see the people of Myanmar taking their nation back; whatever other issues arise from the new leadership, can be handled after the junta is gone. With any luck, the people will have learned that no government is more powerful than its united people, so I believe that they can take care of their nation.
My dude... just because they are rebels does not mean they are good guys. In fact I would argue it is entirely possible they are worst guys
@@JM-mh1pp perhaps, but the people have spoken through who they’ve chosen to support. I’m gonna trust the people of Myanmar on this one. If it turns out they made a mistake, they can always throw the new leaders out too.
This is like their 10th rebellion
@@siam9914 yep, which just highlights that the people want the junta out so badly that they’ll start their own local rebellion if they have to.
@@TheCrazyCapMaster I do not think people support anyone. Most people want to live, support their families, and live in peace, they do not care who is in charge
We do need a depper dive into the Myanmar conflict. Hope you can make a video on it.
I second this.
100%
Oh, brother you will be tired. Trust me it dates back to 1962. And yeah, with all the different groups forming and separating since then. You will need to know lots and lots of these small facts to understand what is the cause of the conflict with the Junta and why there are conflicts even between the rebel groups. themselves. I as a Burmese, still have no idea how the conflicts could play out or cease.
I for one, would absolutely watch a deep dive into the conflict , especially the part about the 3D printed arms the rebels have been using
Myanmar is a wonderful place and people.Its very sad that all this is going on,they were doing brilliantly.Lets hope that peace and unity comes soon.Vive la Résistance !
Why yes, Simon, I would like a deep dive into this war/conflict Your analysis are always very well written.
Myanmar’s conflict has roots going back to 1948 when the country gained independence from Britain. Since then, multiple insurgencies have sprung up, making this one of the world’s longest-running civil wars.
The Burman racial supremacist group in his own party, the AFPFL, assassinated the independence hero, Aung San, who was the most sensible leader for promising equality for all the ethnic groups. This racial supremacist group kicked out the communist group, the Burma Communist Party (BCP) in the AFPFL to get the trust of the British. Then they military attacked the largest ethnic group, the Karen, for demanding the creation of a Karen State out of their ancestral land. It thought that it could easily eliminate the Karen movement militarily with the support of the British. However, massive military aid from the British failed to wipe out the Karen resistance. In time, the war against the Karen caused the breakout of rebellion by the other ethnic nationalities. A split occurred in the AFPFL into the so-called Stable AFPFL led by the racial supremacist group and the Clean AFPFL led by the former close colleague of Aung San. In the election in 1960, the Clean AFPFL/Union Party won a land-slide victory and it started taking steps for turning the country into a Federal State. Hence, the racial supremacist group drummed up the specter of the country becoming a Communist State. It was at a time when the Cold War was at its height and the Domino Theory was gaining ground. The democracies led by the British and the US had to intervene using the chief of Burma's military, General Ne Win, as a client. Powerful democratic countries continued to support and treat the military juntas with a kid glove well after the Cold War, that was just before the military seized power on the First of February 2021, with the hope of reforming it into a democracy. The rest is now being performed on stage and most likely a finale. We people of Burma sincerely hope that all powers concerned - China, India, Russia, Japan, the British, the US, etc. would do something positive for the restoration of peace to Myanmar/Burma without delay.
I hope the Junta comes to regret its actions and Myanmar can restore the government. Footage of the coup unfolding out in the middle of that dance exercise teacher's video was shocking to see. Such a normal day and then suddenly boom, the military dictatorship is back in your life.
TBF they never truly went away. They held unto power in the parliament and held key positions in the government.
I don't want a return of Myanmar's previous government given the Rohingya Genocide.
@@TheHandgunheroyet that government is the only one that could bring stability back to Myanmar
@@stevenoviedo541
They did until they were mostly voted out. They were not as popular as they thought, and the loss of power made them decide to overthrow democracy and return themselves to power just like in the days of Ne Win.
Unfortunately for them, the people of Myanmar/Burma not only remember the junta's oppression but also life free from their rule. They weren't going to let the country become a dictatorship again.
@@HWDragonborn sorry i thought you were talking about military
1:25 - Chapter 1 - State of the conflict
10:35 - Chapter 2 - Cracking the cities
21:30 - Chapter 3 - Uncertain aims, uncertain future
Nice to see you covering, it’s very important yet so underrepresented.
Thanks from a latino who appreciates Myanmar ✌️
I was really waiting for this one after recent news updates. Thank you, Warographics crew.
Thank you for covering this, Simon. This crisis has gone mostly ignored by major mainstream media.
My first introduction to this conflict admittedly was Top Gear, so yes, please do an entire video on the history of this conflict.
I remember when a swedish svt "journalist" was reporting from his 5 star hotel in central Bangkok about the fighting in Yangon..over 370 miles(600km) away.and he was "hearing" and seeing" the protests on the streets in Yangon ..
Thats the news coverage of Myanmar in a nutshell.
I hope all of the people of Myanmar will be free and peaceful one day.
A longer deepdive video into the conflict would be interesting!
Please, would love a deep dive into the history of this conflict. Thanks to your channel I've been following the war very closely, whenever I talk to anyone about it they have no idea it's even happening. That being said, of the people aware of the current conflict, I doubt many have in-depth knowledge as to what led up to it. An in-depth vid would be super appreciated!
You may know it as Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me....
Worked with a girl from there. She said she speaks Burmese....it's Burma.
Burma feels better
@@theofficialken1755 I'm not entirely sure I'd call a sample size of _one_ representative of an entire nation, but you do you.
As far as I know the name has become politicized: pro-government uses Myanmar while anti-government uses Burma
Burma road
I would absolutely enjoy a deep dive into the entire Myanmar conflict and I think it would be good even just as documentation for posterity.
I lived/taught in Myanmar in 2011. Such a beautiful, but mistreated place and people. They could rise to greatness, should the world ever care to assist the millions trapped between bad and evil. My heart is with the friends I made along the way, there’s literally nothing the people are able to do except watch and wait for this to stabilize while they continue to suffer. Ugh 😢👎🏼❤️
Greetings from Aotearoa 🇳🇿Yes! Please do a deep dive on the history of the conflict in Myanmar!
Also have to say I’m a massive fan of all your channels! Keep up the great work!
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You won't want to know, it's too complicated, there's 2 different versions, how the world see and how we see it. Our country is a mess. Sad but true
Yes please do a episode of a deep dive into the history of Myanmar I feel like they don’t talk enough about it
I would Love seeing more on the Myanmar conflict. It is such an under reported conflict
Would really appreciate a deeper dive on the topic! Thanks for the excellent videos as always ❤
Please do a deeper dive and it would be really nice to get an in-depth dive from you. Thank you.
I would love a longer video on the history of this conflict and the different players. Especially the Karan people.
USD exchange rate before coup 2021 was around 1250 kyats for 1 dollar ( myanmar currency ) . Now it's around 8000 or more. Just so u can see how well the country is doing .
It's around 6000 as of now.
Yea my family's finances got completely fked over
Thanks to the generals' unbelievable economic mismanagement.
What do you expecting within the ongoing war situation, good economic system ? There is no income money from foreign no export only import item within country and the war is still going in fact there is nothing we can expect as long as the situation is going well ..
We are fucked.
Shortly before Pearl harbor, a civilian organization called the Civil Air Patrol was signed into existence by the Congress, allowing civilians to participate in the national defense and especially with shoreline reconnaissance.
During the events of WWII, the Civil Air Patrol proved to be critical to the defense of the sprawling US shoreline, locating and even bombing several U-boats. Their efforts would go on to lead directly to the capture of the first enigma machine, a major turning point for the allies.
The organization is still around today, having transitioned to a primarily youth organization in the 50's (I think, not 100% on that one but you gotta pay your writers to do something, right?). Their primary functions now include land based search and rescue across the Continental US, and some work in Canada and Mexico as well. They assist and often lead disaster relief efforts, including during 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. They are America's unsung heros, truly.
During the grounding of all flights in US airspace after the attacks of 9/11, CAP was the only non-military organization allowed to fly, and nearly every photo of 9/11 from the air was taken by a CAP pilot.
It is an incredible organization and would be a great fit for most of your channels, but especially Today I Found Out. No one knows about them but everyone has been impacted by their efforts. Feel free to PM if you have questions, I was part of the organization for nearly 10 years and was quite high in the organization. It's a military-esque organization similar to ROTC, but actually MORE affiliated with the military, and has been credited with saving civilian aviation during WWII, when many nations were banning it, we encouraged it and integrated it.
When the government wouldn't give them permission to drop bombs, a pilot dropped flour sacks on the white house, showing that not only could they be accurate, but also exposing a HUGE gap in aerial coverage and protection for the capital.
I would LOVE to see you do a report on this
You need a life
_"During the events of WWII, the Civil Air Patrol proved to be critical to the defense of the sprawling US shoreline, locating and even bombing several U-boats. Their efforts would go on to lead directly to the capture of the first enigma machine, a major turning point for the allies."_
The first Enigma Machine was capture by the British Royal Navy in the North Atlantic in May 9, 1941- before USA join the WWII. Is not good idea use Hollywood as source of history. 😜
CAP was not thew only one to fly CON air was allowed, too and those carrying vital things like anti venom for snakebite victims.
This is great information. Thank you. And yes, the search and rescue teams are unsung heroes. There are dog breeders who will donate pups to search and rescue teams.
Living and working in bangkok ive seen a real influx of Myanmar refugees here since start . But many are now going back so some areas are probably getting safer
Man such a beautiful place, with such beautiful people/traditions/food…
And so much violence
I would like to hear more about this. A dedicated video about it perhaps.
Thank you for continuing to cover the civil wars and conflicts that are happening around the world that most news and journalists aren't covering!!@! 🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌
As of this time:
1) Rakhine State: Arakan Army gets almost all of Rakhine, except Sittwe, Taungup, Ann, parts of Maungdaw and Gwa, the southernmost town. They're clashing not only with Junta, but also several Rohingya rebel groups that either aligned with the Junta or defending themselves against both sides. There are also like allied to SAC like the ALA that hated Arakan Army that much. ARSA and RSO, the leading Rohingya rebel groups fight on all sides.
2) Kachin State: Kachin Independence Army getting swathes of land, closing in on Myitkyina, Bhamo and other major Kachin State cities. Facing them were the Junta. There are also minor rebel groups that aligned with both sides. NDA-K was on the government, presence of PDF, the armed wing of the NUG was insured assistance for both sides. There's also Indian insurgents hiding in the forests and mountain near the border.
3) Chin State: Chin Defence Force had 2 sides now: Chin National Army, and Chin Brotherhood Alliance. They're facing both the Junta, the ZRA, and sometimes infighting among themselves. But they're effectively taken over the state, leaving only pockets of Junta positions in urban areas.
4) Karenni State: the 4K Alliance, made up of KNLA, KNDF, KA, and PDFs who made up of Karennis and a Karen rebel group still encircling on Loikaw. Other urban areas are in encirclement.
5) Kayah and Mon States: The Karen rebel groups made up of KNU are still fighting not only the Junta, but also Karen rebel groups that aligned with them. Several Mon rebel groups are also fighting the Junta. Despite setbacks in capturing Myawaddy and other urban areas, Karen rebels are in control of the areas around them. Mon rebels are setting up roadblocks and ambushes along the highway to the southernmost town of Myanmar. With PDF support, the rebel groups had a foothold and same ideas.
6) Dry States: PDF and other Bamar rebel groups are doing guerrilla ops against the Junta, with drone strikes on the Junta air bases are common and a strike on the SAC leadership's houses were boosting morale. The rebel groups are now planning to besiege many areas, like Mandalay for example.
7) Shan State: Northern Shan State borders and urban areas was solidly on Three Brotherhood Alliance hands now, besides Muse. The rebels are going south, but hampered not only by Junta, but also Shan State Army - North, which had a deal with the Junta to not spread the rebellion southward, but also maintain their positions. Clashes with rebel groups and SSPP were now issolated. TNLA got their share of urban areas, and now assisting the PDF in capturing areas near Mandalay and Madaya. MNDAA are now pushing with TNLA, despite SSPP resistance. Wa State, despite being neutral in this conflict, took over some areas as buffer zones against both sides.
Southern Shan State was also chaotic. With two Pa-O rebel groups fighting on different sides, PNLA on the resistance, PNA on the Junta. RCSS was also neutral, but it was in danger of Wa State rebels taking their positions in the border. The two Shan State rebel groups SSPP and RCSS had an uneasy truce. The Karenni rebels also assisted PNLA to push Junta out of the area.
It's Syria all over again.
You forgot B-PLA army of the revival Burmese Communist Party (in 2021). The recenlly seige Muong Meed of Shan state, the B-PLA operated with TNLA army. The PDF of Brotherhood allies is B-PLA. No weak and powerless NUG there.
@@centercannothold Nah, the Syrian opposition never really had a figurehead or leader to rally behind, hence why it fell apart so quickly or defected to ISIS who had a full blown Caliph.
The rebels in Myanmar have Aung San Suu Kyi as a figurehead and the National Unity Government modelled on the democratic government prior to 2021 to rally behind, they actually have a framework in place ready for the end of the war while the Syrians had nothing in common aside from 'Assad bad'.
I remember all these patters in somalia. SSC, SNM, USC, UCS, RRA. The will become warlords. More powerful than anything we saw in somalia. Tge descent into hell is only starting. Am sorry bro.
@@fludblud Day dream!
Thank you for taking about these less well known conflicts
I know this is a serious world event, but every time i hear simon say Arakin Army, i can't help but think of Dune
I'd love a series that does comprehensive, 1-2 hour long deep dives on modern conflicts and events
21:48 what the rebels need to do is consolidate the areas they control and establish a untied provisional government
Well researched, properly explained and brilliantly presented by Si. Lovely stuff!
I'm always curious why some conflicts get so much media attention and some don't even get a passing mention. Israel Palestine has been talked about EVERY single day for the past 11 months. Yet not a mention of Myanmar. Ukraine Russia is consistently reported, yet no Myanmar again. Who decides what to report? How is that decided?
Israel and Europe are Americans holy cow..
The corrupted asf Left-Wing bias media
glad that someone is covering this much overlooked war.
I would like a deep dive into this conflict please.
I dont trust this british individual to try describe my country's complex situation. In reality, the majority of our populations support our rebel forces, including the PDF against the military regime.
Bileave me, if u trust in the west media, u go to kawhtoolei, u can lost ur life
I would love a deeper dive into this conflict
Please give us a bigger video on this conflict
Would love a longer deep dive into what’s been happening in Myanmar over the years
I want a longer deep dive into the Myanmar conflict
Yes please. A deeper dive into the conflict would be great
Thank you for covering Myanmar. Regarding Tatmadaw soldiers, defections play a significant role in the conflict. Some soldiers defect directly to EOAs, while others defect on their own. Many of them have actively participated in the revolution. There are two channels I’d like to highlight, though I cannot provide the links here. The first is 'Breaking Brainwashed,' a channel run by CDM (Civil Disobedience Movement) soldiers that focuses on reporting and military analysis. The second is 'Nay Myo Zin,' who is active around the Karenni frontline and leads efforts to demoralize frontline outposts, aiming to save soldiers and their families. These channels are in Burmese, but if you need help with translation, please let me know.
I believe it's essential to rely on a Burmese perspective because we have found that international experts’ analyses often miss key local insights. For example, the relationship between China and the revolution is frequently misunderstood. Experts overlook the fact that this revolution started as a grassroots movement without a defined leader, and the victories of the EOAs wouldn’t be possible without the support of local communities, especially in terms of information and supplies.
Another point is that after the revolution, there is a concern that it could lead to a fractured state. This might happen, but we all agree that we would rather carry passports to visit different states than let the SAC run the country. However, after three years of fighting, the bond between the Burmese and ethnic groups has grown stronger as we fight a shared enemy, and we are optimistic about keeping the country united. We are all fighting for a federal democracy and agree that more wealth should benefit the local populations, rather than being concentrated in the central government.
Yes, please do a deep dive into the history of Myanmar! Keep up the great work!
I'd like to see him do a history of the British colonization of Burma.
I want to share some insights as someone born, raised, and still living in Myanmar. Since 1962, Myanmar has experienced multiple coups, resulting in continuous military control. From 1962 to 2015, the country went through various political systems, all dominated by military dictators. Since 1988, the military has sought to maintain its power, focusing on sustaining its own needs-such as food, energy, and military-owned businesses that operate tax-free-despite the suffering of the people. The military ensured its survival by imposing a constitution in 2008 that permanently reserves 25% of parliamentary seats for military personnel.
Behind Myanmar’s political turmoil, countries like Russia, China, India, and some Western nations have tried to exert influence. In 2024, the situation remains bleak, with the junta attempting to bring in Russian military forces, both state and private, under the guise of counter-terrorism.
If Myanmar were to become democratic, it could significantly benefit the world economy due to its strategic geopolitical location and potential contributions. Supporting the People’s Defense Force could help achieve this transformation.
this is ai written
@@xsemth I wrote it and check grammar in AI as I am not a native speaker. I just want to make sure the text is clear and concise meaning to understand others.
I am not an expert on the matter, but from what little I know one of the biggest barriers to Myanmar moving away from autocratic control by the military is the fact that, until very recently, the military has never been properly defeated and dissolved or reformed at a base level. Thus, there's always some significant element of empowered military leadership remaining to insist on some manner of control and influence, even behind the facade of a civilian government, and there's always a risk of a coup like in 2021 once they get tired of having to pretend to listen to a civilian government.
The Tatmadaw and its leadership are now tasting defeat, and if the Tatmadaw is thoroughly beaten and forcefully dissolved. . .that makes this civil war different from any other changeover of governments in past decades. The military junta is completely out of the picture, and it's down to the many rebel groups and the civilian government-in-exile. . .if they can agree on a more decentralized system of organizing the country that everyone (or almost everyone) can agree with, a better future for Myanmar awaits, without the specter of the military junta hanging over their heads.
@@SilentObserver2009 It's true. The military has always kept its hold over Myanmar, never fully stepping aside, even with a civilian government, like what happened with the coup in 2021.
But now, they’re facing a serious defeat, and if they can finally be dissolved, it could take them out of the picture for good. What’s different now is the formation of the National Unity Government (NUG) a few months after the coup, which represents the majority and stands as a legitimate government in exile.
If the NUG and the various rebel groups can find common ground on a new, more decentralized way to govern, there might be a real chance for a future without the military’s shadow. It won’t be easy, but it could be the start of real change for Myanmar
@@kyawzay4467I'm from a state in NE India that borders Myanmar. We have heard news about the indian govt supporting the kukis of Chin state belonging to the outfit KNA(B). Those rebels from said outfit are also suspected to have been involved in tensions in another state Manipur. I wonder how true that is. The media here won't mention that ever of course. They're busy blaming China.
Yes, do a deeper dive into the conflict. Cheers from Tennessee
Can I please request that you are able to add captions to your videos? I’m a native English speaker but find you speak way too fast to really digest your content… I can’t imagine how it’ll sound to someone who isn’t as proficient in English! Otherwise… please keep up the excellent work!
Would love a deeper dive on the Myanmar conflict. I've been doing research on it for several years now and working with a number of NGOs there - it's a significantly more important situation for global stability than most people realize. Really glad you guys made a video on this; hope to see more!
They were in a civil war?? Wtf, we are so focused on fighting the dictatorship in Bangladesh that we didn't even realise what was happening there
Since gaining independence from the Brits lol, after Aung Sann was assassinated the military leaders after him couldn't keep their hands to themselves, they just have to seek power for themselves
A deep dive would be well worth the watch
It's never a clear cut good guy vs bad guy thing. That only happens in movies.
UK vs Germany, WW2.
@@DarkWarchieff oh yeah that's right, the English never did anything wrong.
@@DarkWarchieff whats your skin color
@@DarkWarchieff Why did UK bomb Dutch civilians?
@@DarkWarchieff well the UK campaign was conducted on the back of starving Indians and other colonies
Please do another video on Myanmar. I would love to hear and learn more about the country along with its history and the different rebel groups.
Thank you for sparing me another acronym early on in the video. My tiny, smooth, pea-sized brain couldnt follow otherwise.
I work with many folks who fled the chaos. They're wonderful people with big hearts. They deserve to be free in their homelands
Myanmar took a look at far cry 4 and went “hmm…”
Myanmar was the inspiration for far cry 4
As soon as the regime falls the alliance will shatter… mark my words
shatter? why would it shatter? its not made of glass .those rebels are flesh and blood of the populace instead they will unite not shatter in the first place their main goal is to over throw a brutal regime/dictatorship.
I would love a deep dive into Myanmars civil war! My family is from Thailand, right next door so I’d love to be informed for them. Thank you 🙏
You cannot produce electricity or grow enough food in the city strongholds. The rebels just need to cut electricity from the sources and food from the farms to the cities.
I think people have this wrong idea that cities need rural areas, but rural areas don't need cities. The fact of the matter is farmers without access to grain markets, the production capacity of cities, and sea ports will be worse off. The rebels would have to keep farmers from selling in cities which would be deeply unpopular. If the price of their grain is low in the countryside and high in the cities then the farmers will more than likely smuggle their products into cities to keep their families afloat.
@@XandateOfHeaven true but this is a siege the farmers could sell to those around them (plenty if city folk in the country side now) or to even other countries after all the people the governments been bombing is the farmers plus what you don’t understand is the rural areas can be self reliant in terms of food and water the cities mostly can’t
Would definitely be interested in a longer deep dive into the history of the conflict and the complicated make up of Myanmar!
Nah, this is the end game of the first chapter of this civil war… the problem is that Three Brotherhood Alliance. After the Junta gets the boot next is a huge power vacuum, ethnic tensions and just pure power trip. The saddest thing is that it’s a never ending cycle
Best result is probably some federalized or confederated system that gives each region/state a large amount of autonomy to run themselves as they wish with little interference from a central government, while still abiding a certain legal framework and contributing in certain agreed-upon national needs.
@@JapaneseAmericanaJiuJitsu Another one who likes to predict war like a football match
@@leachblah6313 this isn’t a football prediction lmao the three brothers alliance entire thing is guaranteeing ethnic regions state autonomy
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle You got called out? Op and you are the kind of person who would rather see people die than actually helping out to prevent. Or at least be respectful to those who has suffered since they were born. This war has been going on for 80 years. Also you can't predict future with 100% certainty. It's really stupid.
@@leachblah6313 No wonder why your country couldn’t escape from this chaos. You guys never want to predict what would happen to your country in the future. Of course, no one could predict 100 % what would happen next in the future. But in politics, you have to always open your eyes, ears and start thinking about the causes and the behavior and movements of your so called trusted groups that would affect the future. You people are so gullible and ignorant to trust one certain group of organization.
Excelent video as always and thanks for highlighting this situation, can you also please do a video on the current situation in mexico and the infighting happening in sinaloa cartel?
I wonder how many students will build encampmemts for this
Yes, please. A longer deep dive would be nice. This war doesn't get enough coverage.
Every time my FB friends talk about the bad things that are happening in Ukraine or Palestine. I always reply with "what about Myanmar or the Uyghur in china?". They don't talk about it because it's "not the hot topic" to talk about.
Sad but true, people just follow what is trendy at the moment.
Which is exactly why Simon should do a deep dive… bring it on.
@@AsusMemopad-us5lk Simon should prepare for the Chinabots when he does a topic on the Uyghurs.
So why can’t folks care about a number of flashpoints around the globe? Suffering is not a contest.
No, its because its extremely unlikely to spill over to affect them. Even Africa is flooding Europe with migrants
Thank you for covering Myanmar.
Last time I arrived this early, my wife was pissed...
Last time I pissed this early, my wife was arrived
I think a deep dive into the conflict is what we're here for
Funny how everyone forgets Myanmar.
Because it's a proxy war and people in the West don't want other to know it
just my 2 cents worth...We would LOVE ❤️ to have one of your deep analysis, that helps us fully understand a complex geo-political region, of Myanmar!
9:33 Think that suppose to be Thailand and not China
Need that deep dive!!! Coming from this channel is most of my world news at this point can't lie
9:33 KNU and KNDF actually controll the border with Thailand,not China.
A deep dive video would be awesome and much appreciated very interesting topic. Keep up the great videos ;)
What do Myanmar, Liberia, and the USA have in common?
No it isn't just that they're on fire again each time you look, it's the imperial measuring system.
Would love a deeper dive into the conflict
I was first on the Thai Burma border in 1983. Last there in 2001. I spent considerable time with the Karen National Liberation Army. Met and talked with many leaders of the KNLA and other factions. Went on a few operations with the guerrilla. Been shot at, shelled on, and bombed by the Burmese Air Force. In short, my interest was deep. I have zero hope for a lasting peace in Burma. So many lovely people there are at the mercy of the evil and the fanatic. So many atrocities and so much hatred. It is a heartbreaking patch of earth.
I was helping at a refugee camp on the Myanmar-Thailand border in early 2022 met a few of the KNLA there.
I'm overseas Burmese. There is no hope
You covered that mess pretty good Simon
dead ass, I saw this just dropped, clicked on it so I could pause it and put on a cup of tea, and then thought, "yup, I'm gonna need to roll one for this one, xl"
I'm packing my bowl rn reading comments to see what im in for
@@KILLERBanshee DUDE SAME
Junkie
Just packed a cone of some 29% Thai Sunset.
DUDE WEED LMAO