He goes to these auctions and other places and will just film a bunch of episodes all in a day or two then space them out over a month or so. RUclips allows you to schedule when a video is uploaded so he's not actually doing 1 episode a day.
The two oldest pistols in existence, the one in the Royal Armouries and the similar but considerably better made example in the Germanisches Museum in Nürnberg (both c.a, 1515-1525), both have belt hooks, so belt hooks are literally as old as pistols are.
@@nicholaspatton5590 Not really as nice as you'd think. The pistol in the Royal Armouries has an ignition wheel locking mechanism that I would not trust enough to carry with the pyrite resting on top of the pan cover ready to fire for fear that if the gun gets a bump you'd get an unwanted discharge. It was found in a bog and I can't help but theorise that whoever owned it might have thrown the thing in there after carrying it in his belt with that belt clip and almost accidentally shooting his reproductive equipment off during a particularly vigorous horse ride. The gun in the Germanisches Museum has a much more bump proof mechanism to lock the ignition wheel. Neither of them has a trigger guard though and interestingly enough they are only about 10mm calibre which contrasts with the flinter in this video which is basically a sawn-off musket with a pistol grip and a caliber of ~17mm.
I love each and every one of your videos, but I must admit as a retired Sailor, I'm especially thankful for the great work you do on US Navy weapons; from clubs with barrels to Stoner LMG's to M110's. Thanks Ian.
Of course you would. I would too. I would even pay $250, the inflation cost, for one. But it will sell for $1000's. Minimum Bid: $2,500.00 Estimate: $5,000 - $10,000
@@TheGM-20XX That's where we put the currency symbol in Germany. It also makes sense to do it that way. Or do you say "I payed dollars 12 for that gun."? Probably not.
I love the look of flintlocks, something to do with how "smooth" they look, for lack of a better term. Many modern pistols, rifles etc. don't have quite the same appeal.
Flintlocks are quite simple, so they look smooth. It's a lot more difficult to do the same thing for a complex mechanism without compromising it's effectiveness.
@@jackvernian7779 Which doesn't really matter to me in this case as I could care less about it. Don't get me wrong complex mechanisms have their place but outside the internals of watches they tend to bore me. In the case of form over function they matter even less, I love the "look" not the function. If any of this makes sense...
The second flintlock pistol I made was a copy of the 1808. The belt hook was fun to forge as it is a direct copy of the belt hook for the pattern 1756 English sea service pistol which was the first flintlock pistol I made. Come to think of it, the side plate was also a direct copy from the 1756 sea service pistol. Maybe you might want to do colonial arms too. You already have the Maryland committee of safety pistol. That counts as colonial as the committee's of safety to back at least as far as the interwar period between the seven years war and the Rev. war.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine "Could" as in it would be technically possible. No sane person would ever do it, except for a dare perhaps ("bet you a dollar you can't carry all these revolvers at once!).
It'd be great to see a series of videos on US muskets and rifles as well, most people don't know the difference between a Brown Bess and a Charleville musket, much less the history and development of those two families of musket and their use in Colonial and US history.
Although this particular model is not very extreme, I wonder why the hammers of flintlocks and many percussion locks are in a curved 'S' shape. The relative position of the flint to the pivot would still be maintained if it were straight.
I see that this particular auction also has examples of flintlock pistols with detachable shoulder stocks. It would be great if you could do a video on one of those :-)
It's interesting to see the breech plug tang that extends clear down to the butt cap and the trigger guard tail or tang that goes nearly all the way down the front of the grip. You could really wail on someone with the butt of that pistol without worrying about breaking it.
Great pistol. Don't think i've heard of it. Sure would be a nice display and conversation piece. I would be tempted to fire it once or twice for the experience, although i am sure it is a bad idea. That also presupposes i could find an appropriate mould or modify one to be close (the balls were usually slightly undersized, and compensated for by the patch). Too bad there are not more modern repros of pistols like this. A percussion upgrade would be fine. They wouldn't even have to be a specific model- a general pattern would do (i think the Lyman Plains Pistol is general pattern). But please put on a bead sight! I would lean toward an 8" or 9" barrel too, but anything would be nice. I'm betting probably a 220-ish gr bullet at probably 700 fps. That's only a little below a 455 Webley in weight, at similar velocity. No slouch. Actually about the same as a target level 45 ACP SWC load. When did pistol calibers start to decreaseto 60 and below, and eventually down to 50 and 45? Was it early in the percussion era (i.e. after 1820 or so)? Did gunmakers start to have a sense of aerodynamics, or what prompted it? Did they want to economize on lead? Random thoughts. Anyway, great video as always. Thank you
Why is the belt hook positioned in a way that would mean the barrel would be pointed downward? Wouldn't it be better if the barrels were pointed upward when hooked on a belt to avoid the cartridge from possibly sliding out?
Was that gun fired excessively to cause all that pitting around the touch hole? (Black powder is quite corrosive...) I have a British flintlock pistol from 1813 with no corrosion.Maybe a better quality metal used...just wondering here.
In what state would these have been carried around using that belt clip. I know safety wasn't worried about quite so much back then, but i cannot imagine this was loaded until just before combat. I'd imagine that it was unloaded and when a hostile ship was sighted then these would be loaded.
They probably were not carried at all except when expecting immediate action. Warships at the time had racks where weapons were stored easily accessible; you grab a gun when ordered to and otherwise leave them alone.
Honest question from someone who has zero experience with muzzle loaders. If this has a clip then it can be carried muzzle down. Is the tolerance so tight between the projectile and barrel that it wouldn’t just fall out or would these have only been clipped in when unloaded?
Muzzleloader balls are typically wrapped in a cloth patch as the are loaded which provides a very tight fit in the bore, which is why a ramrod is used to load the ball
@@sdivine13 You still patch an undersized round ball whether it's a pistol or a long gun, rifled or smoothbore, it actually takes a lot of force to 'shave' an oversized ball down to bore size even with pure lead, which is why cap and ball revolvers use a lever mechanism to do this. It's just not practical when you can use a patch and not have to use a mallet to hammer your shot down the bore, which might break or bend your ramrod anyway.
@@bryanphillips6088 it's not that much force, and if you understand fulcrums and dont hold the ramrod at the top you wont break it, I've never used a patch
Not at all, they can be very reliable. Even flintlocks can be moderately to quite reliable, given proper use/pm and good conditions (i.e., not after weeks of unending rain/mist/fog).
Shoot a little black powder sometime and you will learn that sometimes no matter how well you crimp the caps on they don’t always go off the first time, I got me a well shot 1851 navy that proves it and I have tried everything under the sun to increase reliability of percussion caps but they will never be 100%. It’s just the way it is man.
Observation & suggestion: the video setting of black table cloth, black shirt and black background makes it appear as if your head and arms are just floating in space. And, the gun has very dark stick and almost black iron so only the brass shows much detail. Perhaps another color shirt and table cloth would help your production value quite a bit and make dark guns more visible.
Not to criticize you Ian, but I am from Connecticut and Berlin is pronounced there as Burrlin, with the accent on Burr. But everything in New England is pronounced differently than the same word/place in UK/Europe.
serious question: Why did early and late black powder blasters have such large calibre ammunition? Is there some technical reason why smaller projectiles were not favoured over these cannon balls?
black powder can only get you so much velocity (it can only "explode" at a certain speed) so in order to get some energy on target, well, throw more stuff. bigger boolitt means more oomph. thats also why since the invention of nitro powders (which burn much faster than BP) the bullets have been getting smaller and smaller. "full size rifle" to 308 to "intermediate" - the bullet goes faster now, so it doesn't need as much weight to have "enough" killing power
A larger bore is easier to manufacture, tolerates black powder fouling better, easier to load, has the ability to be a shotgun, has a stronger ramrod that is less likely to break off, and tolerates off size bullets better.
Even after you wash your hands sweat builds up. Sweat is highly corrosive because of it's salt content, and will etch the metal very shortly after contact. You should always use gloves when handling older firearms to protect them.
@@korbetthein3072 Clearly not because his literal job is to handle antique firearms and he isn't wearing gloves. Pretty sure if it was important he would do that, especially if he's handling guns up for auction or in a museum collection. I trust his decision over some mouth breather in the RUclips comment section.
@@ElocTheComrade Seriously? You're acting like we're stabbing you in the balls or beat your dog instead of simply commenting on something. Maybe he powders his hands to keep them dry, maybe he has naturally dry hands. He probably has a perfectly good reason for not putting gloves on. Instead of making a reasonable statement, you just act like a jackass, making biting remarks about anyone who would DARE comment something that could possibly seen as negative towards you. Grow a pair of nuts.
@@korbetthein3072 You just proved my point, that gloves are not necessary and other things can be done to handle old guns. I suspect he does none of those things whatsoever. All I know is that if Ian McCollum isn't wearing gloves, it's not necessary.
First a rotating tube magazine now a belt clip, man the old saying of “What’s old is new again” applies to everything eventually.
I'd be interested to see more arms from the American Revolution and Napoleonic war period.
Man you really gotta hand it to Ian. Uploading like every single day with a new cool forgotten weapon.
He goes to these auctions and other places and will just film a bunch of episodes all in a day or two then space them out over a month or so. RUclips allows you to schedule when a video is uploaded so he's not actually doing 1 episode a day.
The two oldest pistols in existence, the one in the Royal Armouries and the similar but considerably better made example in the Germanisches Museum in Nürnberg (both c.a, 1515-1525), both have belt hooks, so belt hooks are literally as old as pistols are.
A soldier being presented with his pistol in 1515. "Wow, is that a loop to clip it on my belt? NOIIICE!"
I guess it was carried over from war axes and such melee weapons, which had those sort of belt hooks too.
@@nicholaspatton5590 Not really as nice as you'd think. The pistol in the Royal Armouries has an ignition wheel locking mechanism that I would not trust enough to carry with the pyrite resting on top of the pan cover ready to fire for fear that if the gun gets a bump you'd get an unwanted discharge. It was found in a bog and I can't help but theorise that whoever owned it might have thrown the thing in there after carrying it in his belt with that belt clip and almost accidentally shooting his reproductive equipment off during a particularly vigorous horse ride. The gun in the Germanisches Museum has a much more bump proof mechanism to lock the ignition wheel. Neither of them has a trigger guard though and interestingly enough they are only about 10mm calibre which contrasts with the flinter in this video which is basically a sawn-off musket with a pistol grip and a caliber of ~17mm.
Good solid “clunk” on cocking the hammer and the pan!
I love each and every one of your videos, but I must admit as a retired Sailor, I'm especially thankful for the great work you do on US Navy weapons; from clubs with barrels to Stoner LMG's to M110's. Thanks Ian.
Nice! Heck, I'd gladly pay $13 for a pair of those!
Of course you would. I would too. I would even pay $250, the inflation cost, for one. But it will sell for $1000's.
Minimum Bid: $2,500.00
Estimate: $5,000 - $10,000
@@arikwolf3777 So...
A hey-penny?
11,75$ in 1808 is about 239$ today.
12$ in 1810 is about 250$ today.
and?
Dollar sign at the end? disgusting.
Thanks. Because i wanted to know that.
@@Tr4wnet And what?
@@TheGM-20XX That's where we put the currency symbol in Germany. It also makes sense to do it that way. Or do you say "I payed dollars 12 for that gun."? Probably not.
i love weapons from and around the golden age of sails. thank you.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine old Lego pirates... and now I am nostalgic, thx. :)
Gorgeous condition, especially the wood. Looks as dangerous as a club, as it does as a pistol!
Wild Bill .64 Navy pistol $11 in 1808 = $223 in 2019.
Hi-point .45 pistol in 2019 = $229
Spooky!
Thank you , Ian .
I love the look of flintlocks, something to do with how "smooth" they look, for lack of a better term. Many modern pistols, rifles etc. don't have quite the same appeal.
Flintlocks are quite simple, so they look smooth. It's a lot more difficult to do the same thing for a complex mechanism without compromising it's effectiveness.
@@jackvernian7779 Which doesn't really matter to me in this case as I could care less about it. Don't get me wrong complex mechanisms have their place but outside the internals of watches they tend to bore me. In the case of form over function they matter even less, I love the "look" not the function. If any of this makes sense...
@@widgren87 It really doesn't. That was entirely ridiculous.
@@ostiariusalpha Which is also a reason I never tried to become a writer of any kind, I can rarely write what I think :-)
@@widgren87 Makes sense to me. My AR-15 is more complicated, but there is just something elegant in form of my Finnish Mosin.
when the auction house gets their backdrop in the color of gun jesus' shirt.
You should have a playlist for black powder/early firearms, hard for me to navigate youtube trying to find specifically early weapons
A beautiful piece of history! In two ways, first of all, the pistol and then your presentation of it.
The second flintlock pistol I made was a copy of the 1808. The belt hook was fun to forge as it is a direct copy of the belt hook for the pattern 1756 English sea service pistol which was the first flintlock pistol I made. Come to think of it, the side plate was also a direct copy from the 1756 sea service pistol. Maybe you might want to do colonial arms too. You already have the Maryland committee of safety pistol. That counts as colonial as the committee's of safety to back at least as far as the interwar period between the seven years war and the Rev. war.
When your pistol is a single shot, you carry 8 or 12 on a bandoleer with that huge belt hook! LOL
@@randonwilston Lots of them! LOL
The standard was between 4 and 6. Carrying 12 (!) pistols is unrealistic for many reasons
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine "Could" as in it would be technically possible. No sane person would ever do it, except for a dare perhaps ("bet you a dollar you can't carry all these revolvers at once!).
@@MarvinCZ
40 odd pounds of pistols is not that big of a burden if you think it will save your life.
@@calvingreene90 It wouldn't be such a burden in a backpack or a modern load-bearing vest.
It's a huge load for a gun belt.
If you ever run out of surviving guns you can always just talk about them, never stop.
It'd be great to see a series of videos on US muskets and rifles as well, most people don't know the difference between a Brown Bess and a Charleville musket, much less the history and development of those two families of musket and their use in Colonial and US history.
Although this particular model is not very extreme, I wonder why the hammers of flintlocks and many percussion locks are in a curved 'S' shape. The relative position of the flint to the pivot would still be maintained if it were straight.
Been wanting to see more flintlocks, thank you!
The patina is fab. Flint-locks are not my idea of fun but I'd love to touch it just to feel the history.
Nicccee! Such a beauty in overal design.
Not really into flintlock era guns myself but you went and found an interesting one anyway
That’s my dream gun (besides a mg42)
I got a Barrett sniper rifle ad on this video!
Would what looks like the number 99, stamped in the brass sideplate possibly be the serial number ?
"... as they are doing important sailor things." Nice.
What s about the Harper's ferry pistol? I think IT was the First US Government Pistol for Army and Navy.
I see that this particular auction also has examples of flintlock pistols with detachable shoulder stocks. It would be great if you could do a video on one of those :-)
at 1:02 ".... the new American republic." Thank you for correctly identifying the USA as a republic!
Hi Ian, big fan, please do a vid of the Harper's Ferry...
I guess their isn´t any point of asking for a mudtest. but Can you test fire it.
It's interesting to see the breech plug tang that extends clear down to the butt cap and the trigger guard tail or tang that goes nearly all the way down the front of the grip. You could really wail on someone with the butt of that pistol without worrying about breaking it.
I saw a '99' on the clip side plate.
1:18
alright now thats a good looking weapno
I think Ian knows more about guns than the manufacrers themselves.
Looks like a regular flintlock pistol to me, but other than that, it looks gorgeous.
Great pistol. Don't think i've heard of it. Sure would be a nice display and conversation piece. I would be tempted to fire it once or twice for the experience, although i am sure it is a bad idea. That also presupposes i could find an appropriate mould or modify one to be close (the balls were usually slightly undersized, and compensated for by the patch). Too bad there are not more modern repros of pistols like this. A percussion upgrade would be fine. They wouldn't even have to be a specific model- a general pattern would do (i think the Lyman Plains Pistol is general pattern). But please put on a bead sight! I would lean toward an 8" or 9" barrel too, but anything would be nice. I'm betting probably a 220-ish gr bullet at probably 700 fps. That's only a little below a 455 Webley in weight, at similar velocity. No slouch. Actually about the same as a target level 45 ACP SWC load. When did pistol calibers start to decreaseto 60 and below, and eventually down to 50 and 45? Was it early in the percussion era (i.e. after 1820 or so)? Did gunmakers start to have a sense of aerodynamics, or what prompted it? Did they want to economize on lead? Random thoughts. Anyway, great video as always. Thank you
Why is the belt hook positioned in a way that would mean the barrel would be pointed downward? Wouldn't it be better if the barrels were pointed upward when hooked on a belt to avoid the cartridge from possibly sliding out?
Not a issue cartridge is made to fit tight enough it won't
Man I love hate this guys channel 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I’m binges watching all these videos and it’s controlling my weekend 😂😂
Was that gun fired excessively to cause all that pitting around the touch hole? (Black powder is quite corrosive...) I have a British flintlock pistol from 1813 with no corrosion.Maybe a better quality metal used...just wondering here.
Oh boy.
In what state would these have been carried around using that belt clip. I know safety wasn't worried about quite so much back then, but i cannot imagine this was loaded until just before combat. I'd imagine that it was unloaded and when a hostile ship was sighted then these would be loaded.
It's not even about safety, you just can't carry muzzleloader loaded in wet conditions more than couple hours
@@alexandermarinin7036 depends how well you seal it I guess
@@wierdalien1 that's the thing, you just can't seal pan tight enough
They probably were not carried at all except when expecting immediate action. Warships at the time had racks where weapons were stored easily accessible; you grab a gun when ordered to and otherwise leave them alone.
@@Kaboomf all weapons were kept under lock and key as you wouldn't want weapons at hand if the crew had voted for a mutany.
Honest question from someone who has zero experience with muzzle loaders. If this has a clip then it can be carried muzzle down. Is the tolerance so tight between the projectile and barrel that it wouldn’t just fall out or would these have only been clipped in when unloaded?
Muzzleloader balls are typically wrapped in a cloth patch as the are loaded which provides a very tight fit in the bore, which is why a ramrod is used to load the ball
At least with rifled pistols the projectile leaves a ring of lead after its rammed down so it completely in contact with the rifling
@@sdivine13 You still patch an undersized round ball whether it's a pistol or a long gun, rifled or smoothbore, it actually takes a lot of force to 'shave' an oversized ball down to bore size even with pure lead, which is why cap and ball revolvers use a lever mechanism to do this. It's just not practical when you can use a patch and not have to use a mallet to hammer your shot down the bore, which might break or bend your ramrod anyway.
@@bryanphillips6088 it's not that much force, and if you understand fulcrums and dont hold the ramrod at the top you wont break it, I've never used a patch
I'm guessing this was rarely carried on the hip while being loaded.
You should shoot more flintlock
.64 caliber pistols... when you only get one shot, it’s got to count.
That’s $261.106 per gun if you bought one in 2019, take my money lol
hello. there is a modern Swedish submachine gun named MS but it's not popular. cloud you do a video about it
64 Caliber? Did they use it to pierce wooden hulls?
Don't look bad to me.
AWESOME ! :-)
Belt clip'? But the trigger isn't covered! Where's the trigger guard? LOL!!!!!
W0W!
its smoothbore right?
Why do I carry a .64? Cuz they dont make a .65!
No really though it's just what the navy issued to me.
It looks very similar to the British "tower" pistols...
I forgot about that weapon.
Wow they nearly paid $230 for each pistol for that first contract
@@jmd1743 it was expensive back then
Hearing percussion and reliable in the same sentence is a sin.
Not at all, they can be very reliable. Even flintlocks can be moderately to quite reliable, given proper use/pm and good conditions (i.e., not after weeks of unending rain/mist/fog).
Shoot a little black powder sometime and you will learn that sometimes no matter how well you crimp the caps on they don’t always go off the first time, I got me a well shot 1851 navy that proves it and I have tried everything under the sun to increase reliability of percussion caps but they will never be 100%. It’s just the way it is man.
$11 in 1808 is about $200 spending power today
CPI Inflation Calculator says $223.98
Prices are 1.936.17% higher then average prices in 1808 via officialdata.org inflation calculator
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I love you gun Jesus.
Please can u name the gun eddie remayne holds in elizabeth 2 movie please help
Any updates on your book?
Observation & suggestion: the video setting of black table cloth, black shirt and black background makes it appear as if your head and arms are just floating in space. And, the gun has very dark stick and almost black iron so only the brass shows much detail. Perhaps another color shirt and table cloth would help your production value quite a bit and make dark guns more visible.
Adjust your screen, looks fine here.
Can it shoot?
Can I boot carry it?
Nice
What wood was used for it,
Looks like mohagany.
@@jamesdunning8650 thanks
Not to criticize you Ian, but I am from Connecticut and Berlin is pronounced there as Burrlin, with the accent on Burr. But everything in New England is pronounced differently than the same word/place in UK/Europe.
its pronounced "Burlin".
serious question: Why did early and late black powder blasters have such large calibre ammunition? Is there some technical reason why smaller projectiles were not favoured over these cannon balls?
may be because black powder burn slowly so you need heavy slow projectile?
black powder can only get you so much velocity (it can only "explode" at a certain speed) so in order to get some energy on target, well, throw more stuff. bigger boolitt means more oomph.
thats also why since the invention of nitro powders (which burn much faster than BP) the bullets have been getting smaller and smaller. "full size rifle" to 308 to "intermediate" - the bullet goes faster now, so it doesn't need as much weight to have "enough" killing power
A larger bore is easier to manufacture, tolerates black powder fouling better, easier to load, has the ability to be a shotgun, has a stronger ramrod that is less likely to break off, and tolerates off size bullets better.
Black powder is pretty slow stuff and it's also dirty, bigger bores with loose round balls get fouled up less quickly, for starters.
The bigger the hole the faster they bleed out.
",.. chronologically, as I find them." LoL, which translated means, in a virtually random order.
Luckily it wasn't made by Peter North
It’d look more like a buntline
Wow, amazing condition. I kind of cringe when he handles it without a white glove on.
you're an idiot
Even after you wash your hands sweat builds up. Sweat is highly corrosive because of it's salt content, and will etch the metal very shortly after contact. You should always use gloves when handling older firearms to protect them.
@@korbetthein3072 Clearly not because his literal job is to handle antique firearms and he isn't wearing gloves. Pretty sure if it was important he would do that, especially if he's handling guns up for auction or in a museum collection. I trust his decision over some mouth breather in the RUclips comment section.
@@ElocTheComrade Seriously? You're acting like we're stabbing you in the balls or beat your dog instead of simply commenting on something. Maybe he powders his hands to keep them dry, maybe he has naturally dry hands. He probably has a perfectly good reason for not putting gloves on. Instead of making a reasonable statement, you just act like a jackass, making biting remarks about anyone who would DARE comment something that could possibly seen as negative towards you. Grow a pair of nuts.
@@korbetthein3072 You just proved my point, that gloves are not necessary and other things can be done to handle old guns. I suspect he does none of those things whatsoever. All I know is that if Ian McCollum isn't wearing gloves, it's not necessary.