Honestly, it wouldn’t be too hard to come up with a catalyst for this event. Just say that Bowser and Eggman discovered some relic that is identical in both of their universes and temporarily displaced some of the heroes and villains or combined their worlds. Also imagine what a final boss this game could be. I would pay to see Mario use the chaos, emeralds, and sonic harness, the power of a superstar (the closest we will ever get to a modern hyper sonic)
For the Mario and Sonic RPG route, it would also be pretty cool if just like in Persona Q2 Cinema Labyrinth, certain combinations of characters would perform a special super attack together with exclusive dialogue between the characters like Mario and Sonic, Luigi and Tails, Peach and Amy, Knuckles and Daisy, Shadow and Luigi, Sonic, Mario, Blaze and Rosalina, Wario, Waluigi and Team Chaotix and so much more! It would emphasize the growing bond between the Mario characters and the Sonic characters throughout the journey and would be some sweet fan service at the same time!
@@CuteRedPanda64 True, maybe they can be unlocked as playable party members in the story or even in Tails’ Lab where once you unlock them, you get to create your own Mii to use in battle like in Find Mii or Miitopia.
@@CuteRedPanda64 Good idea! It’ll be like a custom avatar kind of thing, but the Mii is fusing both the Mario and Sonic elements together to form a special Mii for a crossover event. Like they can learn moves that Mario and his friends can do first like using multiple power ups, Luigi’s Poltergust, Daisy’s sports ability, Waluigi’s Party games shenanigans and over time learn Sonic Universe stuff too like the homing attack, Knuckles’ flaming fist, Shadow’s Chaos Spear projectile etc.
If this would happen I would love to see a Mario location combined with one of those casino zones. Like, “Casino Canyon”, a combination with the mountain theme that hasn’t really evolved that much since NSMB
I feel that the dream vision would be something like Pizza Tower. While Mario specializes in platforming, and Sonic thrilling speed, both lack momentum and control. I think that Mario and Sonic should the main playable characters, but they can chose a buddy sonic advance 3 style to expand their skill set (Tail's hover, knuckle's glide, Luigi High jump, Peach's umbrella, etc.)
I had alot of ideas for sonic crossovers like a sonic mario and Crash where it's Musou/Dynasty Warriors type game another is a Sonic Crash platform fighter lot of racing game ideas for a combination of the 3 even riders style racer
Considering Nintendo has been more willing to share their IP with other companies recently (Ubisoft, Illumination, etc) I think a proper Mario and Sonic crossover is a lot more likely now. I’d be down with either of your ideas honestly, as they both sound amazing
Idk how else to describe it tbh. When they have re-used the same levels so much we don't want to see them, but if we don't see them the locations don't feel Sonic-y? I think the problem would be completely erased if they used these locations for world building instead of just 1-off stages. Make them feel like real places in this world rather than just an action stage
@@Garrulous64 the only one i've seen get hate is green hill, everyone would love if they even reused seaside hill like they did in older spin offs and sonic dash.
I've had an idea for a Mario, and Sonic RPG idea in my head for YEARS. I had the same 8 playable characters idea, But replace Yoshi with Peach, and Wario with Bowser to have the teams parallel each other. The story would be about the worlds colliding/mashing together with the team going through various areas that combine elements from the respective settings (I.e. Green Hill mashed with W 1 - 1, Or Chemical Plant mixed with W 2 - 2.) There's so much fun you could have there. A fun idea I had was that Eggman, and Bowser would be teamed up at the beginning, with Eggman betraying Bowser in the second act turning his Castle into a flying fortress forcing him to team up with the heroes to get his home back.
I agree, a Mario and Sonic RPG sounds amazing if done right! I would also add the ability for certain combinations of characters to be able to use the equivalent of the Showitme! attacks from Persona 5 Royal to deal massive damage like if Mario and Sonic did an attack together/ Knuckles and Daisy can do a tag team wrestling kind of thing like what Queen and Noir did/ Mario and Bowser can be brutal in Mario standards like what Joker and Crow do/ Mario, Peach, Sonic and Amy can all do an attack in their respective romantic pairs like what Joker and Violet do together/ Luigi and Tails can make a huge cyclone mixed with orange and green lightning/ Wario can turn into Wario-Man and Shadow can use Chaos Control/ Donkey Kong and Omega can combo off each other with DK softening the enemy up with his massive punches and Omega goes overkill and uses so many bullets to finish off whatever is left of the enemy/ Mario, Luigi and Blaze can combine their fire and electric techniques to create one massive explosion and much more! The possibilities are endless!
God, Imagine if the story was like SMBZ and all those other old sprite animations from the late 2000s/early 2010s that is both a 3d platformer and an RPG?
02:25 Persona Q1 technically did this for example you could play the game on Mario's side and having some exclusive Sonic's characters as an allies and vise versa and to understand fully the story you had to play both side and once done you had the final boss
Plus it could open the doors to some unexpected character development moments between certain characters like imagine a scene where Luigi comforts Tails to assure him that Tails and Sonic are an inseparable team like how Luigi is with Mario, or Peach being able to soften Shadow’s loner attitude a bit due to her pure heart like how Maria was with Shadow, or Silver learning how to just have fun in the moment by playing with Yoshi or even Wario and Waluigi having a rant with Team Chaotix on how to split the reward money on a certain mission completion or Knuckles and Daisy have like a brother/sister type of friendship. It would be nice for the Mario and Sonic characters to bond with each other like how the Persona 3, 4 and 5 casts bonded over the course of their stories.
I definitely think the rpg route is the best option for a Mario and Sonic. Taking elements from the Mario and Luigi games and Sonic Chronicles is great, but yeah Sonic Chronicles had some issues but if nintendo and sega take only the good stuff from those games I think they'll be fine
This should definitely happen one day, great video! But until it does, maybe you could turn the RPG plot into a series, like what you’re currently doing with generations? Whatever you do though, I’m sure it’ll be cool chum!
I always wanted a cool & proper Mario & Sonic crossover game that I wanted to share ideas with anybody for sure, like..I really do. But I have a feeling it’s gonna impossible since no one doesn’t want that to happen because of the olympics series.
When you switch between Mario and Sonic the background music changes to fit either ones style. For example, when you switch to Mario, the song genre sounds more jazz-like, the typical mario music genre. When you switch to Sonic, the song genre sounds more rock-like, keeping the same melody while doing so.
In my mario fangames there is a lot of sonic inspired stuff. For example instead of Flying Battery, i created Wiggler Battery. And because i love Wiggler, i have created new wiggler variants like Spooklers, which are Boo Wigglers. I'm gonna be at SAGE 2024 with my Mario Fangames. I also like your ideas for the cross-over.
Rpg would make sense, and they can have a PQ 2 mechanic. It would be cool to see both Mario and Sonic characters build bonds with each other and the player aka Miis.
Plus we can have special character interactions we wouldn’t normally see like Donkey Kong offering Omega some bananas and Omega having no idea how to consume this potassium the gorilla offered, Knuckles and Daisy having like a brother/sister type of friendship/ Silver and Yoshi surprisingly playing off each other well/ Peach slowly getting Shadow to open up a bit more/ Mario and Cream the Rabbit having some tea with the Chao/ Rouge trying to steal some Star bits and Rosalina unsurprisingly catches her in the act/ Wario, Waluigi and Team Chaotix arguing over who deserves the reward money for a mission using those characters more (Wario and Waluigi needing it for their collection and Team Chaotix for their rent money) and so much more! The Persona Q games give a great idea on how some of those interactions can work out.
@@CuteRedPanda64 Sonic: “I am forever in your debt…. Wait, why did I say that?” This would be a cute reference to the fact that both Sonic and SMT/Persona are owned by SEGA so it’d be a nice small meta joke.
I would feel like maybe taking inspiration from the Megaman crossover for the story would make sense, like maybe Eggman or Bowser uses the power of chaos emerald or whatever mguffin you want to cause a Genesis wave, merging Mario and Sonic's world while also splitting them into different zones like in Sonic Advance 3 which has aspects of a place in Sonic's world and aspects of a place in Mario's world, with each Zone containing one of the Chaos Emeralds (I also think it'd be fun if, instead of Eggman or Bowser teaming up they're actually enemies fighitng for control of the merged world and to collect the Chaos Emerald, they'd only team up at the end to beat Mario and Sonic)
I think the game should be Bowser and Eggman combinding Mario and Sonic's world into one. Also I think it would so funny is Sonic, Tails and Amy first meet Mario and luigi, and while Tails and AMY have the 2 brains to see that it's not Eggman, Sonic thinks it's Eggman AND THEN THEY FIGHT!!!!!!!! But, become friends because Tails and Amy talked to Luigi and either Wario, Yoshi or peach
I personally think Mario & Sonic would work best as a crossover in a 2D environment, as a guy who's played MANY 2D Mario and Sonic in the past, and even to this day. What I had been thinking was making something in a similar manner to Super Mario Bros Wonder, and taking a lot of aspects from the 2D Sonic games made by Dimps (I DO NOT mean Sonic 4, I mean the handheld titles.) and Sonic Mania. The plot would be similar to Sonic Rush, with both Mario's world and Sonic's world merging together, and if they successfully merge into one world, it would cause massive destruction, in which Bowser and Eggman would not care about if there's still land to conquer. And yes, Bowser doesn't steal Peach. He instead steals her castle to use as the crown jewel of the merged worlds. As the game progresses, Eggman is building a robot stronger than any of the other robots he's constructed, calling it the Egg Titan. This holds the energy between both worlds, and it just needs the Chaos Emeralds to be complete. Obviously you need to collect them first as you go through the 11 worlds the game has to offer. Finally, after achieving full 100% completion, the final two levels are unlocked, one of them being a repeat Champion's Road, and the other being the true final boss, the Egg Titan itself. It's at this point where Mario, Sonic, and their friends have had enough of Bowser and Eggman trying to conquer the world. They use the Chaos Emeralds, as well as various Mario powerups, to transform and fight Bowser and Eggman for the (hopefully) final time. After the final bout, the worlds are restored, as is Peach's Castle. The gang make their way back to the castle during the staff roll (as in NSMB2), and that's game. For gameplay, all controls would be the same as in Wonder, but with additional abilities imported from the 3D games, as well as unique playstyles for each character ala Mario 3D World. Additionally, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy don't need to use a run button (and instead have melee attacks on that input like the Advance trilogy), as well as controlling like in recent 2D Sonic games, including the Spin Dash, rolling, and having the Stomp attack instead of the ground-pound. In particular, Sonic has the Homing Attack and the Drop Dash after jumping, and the Sonic Eagle from Battle as his melee attack. Tails can fly, use his tails as a weapon, and throw bombs. Knuckles has his punch attacks from Advance, and can glide and climb as expected. Amy has a hammer attack and hammer jump (like in Adventure), as well as her abilities from Superstars. Like in the classic games, there's also Special Stages and Chaos Emeralds, with the reward of going Super (Sonic chars only, sorry guys.) after collecting them all. Mario and Luigi also have Super forms, but only at the Egg Titan fight. They are unusable everywhere else. Like in Super Mario Bros Wonder, there's a gimmick in the levels that tie into the story, which screws with the base Mario levels: Sonic elements, such as loops, corkscrews, monitors, springs, dash rings, grind rails, speed pads, and all that good shit can be found in what should normally be platforming levels based off the New Super Mario Bros levels. Except compared to those, THESE have a ramp of difficulty when needed. Thank God for the removal of the lives system. That's right, the lives system is gone. The score and timer are back, but you're still able to spend as much time in the levels as you need to, as it only affects your rank at the end of the level. SA2's scoring system is featured, as are the five letter ranks from Colors and Generations. That's all I gotta say. Maybe I'll pitch this idea to Nintendo and Sega someday. For now, it's just a concept. But something like this should be bound to make a shitload of cash due to everyone wanting a Mario and Sonic crossover. Oh, and for what it's worth, I'm not labeling it as a "Mario & Sonic" game in the title. I want something similar to other 2D Mario games. Like... Super Mario Bros. Mayhem? Would that work? Let me know what you think of this.
I wrote a crossover fic on ao3; Mario&Sonic: Worlds Align. I'm considering a sequel fic starring Luigi and Tails. Zone 1: Mushroom Plains Boss: Metal Mario(Smash 64) Episode Pink(Amy and Peach): Lemmy Zone 2: Dry Dry Desert Zone Boss: Shiny Babylon Rogues Episode Fireball(Blaze and Daisy): Larry World 3: Emerald Islands Boss(Phase 1): Red Birdo Boss(Phase 2): Egg Squid Episode Rouge: Wendy World 4: Mystic Jungle Episode Tails: Ludwig Boss(Phase 1): King Boo Boss(Phase 2): King Ludwig Von Boo Zone 5: Sherbet Land Zone Boss: Mecha Mario Episode Luigi: Iggy Zone 6: Yoshi Mountains Zone Boss: Kamek Episode Island(Knuckles and Yoshi): Roy World 7: Angel Island Boss: Wario and Waluigi Episode Hedgehog(Shadow and Silver): Morton Level 8: Doom Fleet(mix of Egg Fleet and Mario Airships) Boss: Bowser Zone 9: Egg Furnace Zone Boss: Metal Sonic and Bowser Jr. Episode Chaos(Super Sonic and Chaos Mario): Egg Castle Bowser Extra World Brainstorming... World 1: Emerald Hill Boss: Zazz World 2: Mirage Road Boss: Zommom Zone 3: Gelato Beach Zone Boss: Zik Zone 4: Boo Woods Zone Boss: Zeena World 5: Snow Shower Boss: Zor Zone 6: Canyon Cruise Zone Boss: Zavok Zone 8: Dry Deadline Zone Boss: Dry Bowser Nega
My pitch for the story is: Metal Sonic gets out of control by eggman, gets a new form (similar to Neo Metal Sonic) and travels to the Mario universe (yes this is multiverse based) to dominate it but Sonic and friends were able to get teleported to there to stop Metal Sonic with the help of Mario and his friends we could put things in like Shadow being mentally controlled and becoming a boss fight against Mario, we could have Eggman and Bowser trying to stop Metal Sonic by themselves and them teaming up as playable characters, and we could have Toad and Sonic having a dinamic similar to Mario and Toad in the Mario movie being the first Mario character Sonic meets and much more...
Even though it's still sport-based, I think a crossover version of Mario Sports Mix would be a great idea. The original Sports Mix on the Wii featured all sorts of gimmicky stadiums inspired by Mario series locations, so the same could also be done for Sonic landmarks like Casino Night or Planet Wisp. We could even expand the number of sports from four to six: basketball, dodgeball, volleyball, handball, rugby and hockey.
I love these ideas, it's clear you put a lot of thought into this. I would love to see Eggman-ified Mario areas. Although, for the Rpg idea, maybe since Amy uses her hammer, I think one of the bros should not use one. Maybe Luigi could the poltergust instead.
Awesome Video Bro! I would also love to see a Sonic and Zelda crossover game. Sonic is copying The Legend Of Zelda after all. And Sonic is a Legend Of Zelda fan.
..Yeeeeah, not gonna lie, it kinda puts bowser down a bit to just have him simply get roboticized into Eggman's minion, I think a much better idea would be to either have Bowser and Eggman team up, only to try to overthrow one another at some point, or Bowser and Eggman are constantly at odds with one another, trying to be the one and only ruler of BOTH worlds.
I totally agree that Bowser would not simply lose a fight and then become a puppet under normal circumstances, but this is the Mario & Luigi series where that exact thing happened in the first 3 games in some form or another. This was meant to be an homage to the previous games, and not a reduction of Bowser himself. M&L Bowser doesn't have the best luck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly my idea for a game like the first one would be to work more like Sonic Generations: Going around iconic mario and sonic levels, with each of the two having their own level design and music but using the same location and general progression So yeah basically sonic generations but mario instead of classic sonic lol I think it'd allow a lot more creativity, considering how hard making two characters that control completely differently work on the same level usually is, and also like, man the music would be so good
i think the easiest way to do a mario and sonic crossover is just. sonic generations. mario has 2d levels, sonic has 3d, have them interact in various cutscenes and meet other characters badabing badaboom easy
Who actually would do the RPG idea? Cause if it is Nintendo, the only in house option is Intelligent Systems who already have to do Paper Mario and Fire Emblem.
Thank god I'm not the only person who wants an ACTUAL Mario and Sonic 3D Platformer. lol
You're not the only one
I always thought an RPG would make the most sense. Their gameplay styles are too different in my opinion.
Honestly, it wouldn’t be too hard to come up with a catalyst for this event. Just say that Bowser and Eggman discovered some relic that is identical in both of their universes and temporarily displaced some of the heroes and villains or combined their worlds.
Also imagine what a final boss this game could be. I would pay to see Mario use the chaos, emeralds, and sonic harness, the power of a superstar (the closest we will ever get to a modern hyper sonic)
For the Mario and Sonic RPG route, it would also be pretty cool if just like in Persona Q2 Cinema Labyrinth, certain combinations of characters would perform a special super attack together with exclusive dialogue between the characters like Mario and Sonic, Luigi and Tails, Peach and Amy, Knuckles and Daisy, Shadow and Luigi, Sonic, Mario, Blaze and Rosalina, Wario, Waluigi and Team Chaotix and so much more! It would emphasize the growing bond between the Mario characters and the Sonic characters throughout the journey and would be some sweet fan service at the same time!
Oh my god that is literally my dream game!
What about the Miis? Considering they were with Mario and Sonic on the first crossover it would kinda suck if they got left out.
@@CuteRedPanda64 True, maybe they can be unlocked as playable party members in the story or even in Tails’ Lab where once you unlock them, you get to create your own Mii to use in battle like in Find Mii or Miitopia.
@@leohernandez8751 They could even use their abilities from their games, along with some Mario universe and Sonic universe like moves too.
@@CuteRedPanda64 Good idea! It’ll be like a custom avatar kind of thing, but the Mii is fusing both the Mario and Sonic elements together to form a special Mii for a crossover event. Like they can learn moves that Mario and his friends can do first like using multiple power ups, Luigi’s Poltergust, Daisy’s sports ability, Waluigi’s Party games shenanigans and over time learn Sonic Universe stuff too like the homing attack, Knuckles’ flaming fist, Shadow’s Chaos Spear projectile etc.
If this would happen I would love to see a Mario location combined with one of those casino zones. Like, “Casino Canyon”, a combination with the mountain theme that hasn’t really evolved that much since NSMB
I dont know why the only times they make sonic and mario crossovers theyre always about the olympic games instead of making an actual platformer
15:57 same but for me, it was Earthbound and Deltarune that made me like RP
The Olympic games are underrated.
I feel that the dream vision would be something like Pizza Tower.
While Mario specializes in platforming, and Sonic thrilling speed, both lack momentum and control.
I think that Mario and Sonic should the main playable characters, but they can chose a buddy sonic advance 3 style to expand their skill set (Tail's hover, knuckle's glide, Luigi High jump, Peach's umbrella, etc.)
I had alot of ideas for sonic crossovers like a sonic mario and Crash where it's Musou/Dynasty Warriors type game another is a Sonic Crash platform fighter lot of racing game ideas for a combination of the 3 even riders style racer
Considering Nintendo has been more willing to share their IP with other companies recently (Ubisoft, Illumination, etc) I think a proper Mario and Sonic crossover is a lot more likely now. I’d be down with either of your ideas honestly, as they both sound amazing
“Sonic fans HATE Sonic locations”
This is the realest thing I have ever heard
Idk how else to describe it tbh. When they have re-used the same levels so much we don't want to see them, but if we don't see them the locations don't feel Sonic-y?
I think the problem would be completely erased if they used these locations for world building instead of just 1-off stages. Make them feel like real places in this world rather than just an action stage
@@Garrulous64 the only one i've seen get hate is green hill, everyone would love if they even reused seaside hill like they did in older spin offs and sonic dash.
a 3D game with the boost formula where they just put Mario in roller skates and strap a rocket to his head
I wanna see that. 🤣
I've had an idea for a Mario, and Sonic RPG idea in my head for YEARS. I had the same 8 playable characters idea, But replace Yoshi with Peach, and Wario with Bowser to have the teams parallel each other. The story would be about the worlds colliding/mashing together with the team going through various areas that combine elements from the respective settings (I.e. Green Hill mashed with W 1 - 1, Or Chemical Plant mixed with W 2 - 2.) There's so much fun you could have there. A fun idea I had was that Eggman, and Bowser would be teamed up at the beginning, with Eggman betraying Bowser in the second act turning his Castle into a flying fortress forcing him to team up with the heroes to get his home back.
I agree, a Mario and Sonic RPG sounds amazing if done right! I would also add the ability for certain combinations of characters to be able to use the equivalent of the Showitme! attacks from Persona 5 Royal to deal massive damage like if Mario and Sonic did an attack together/ Knuckles and Daisy can do a tag team wrestling kind of thing like what Queen and Noir did/ Mario and Bowser can be brutal in Mario standards like what Joker and Crow do/ Mario, Peach, Sonic and Amy can all do an attack in their respective romantic pairs like what Joker and Violet do together/ Luigi and Tails can make a huge cyclone mixed with orange and green lightning/ Wario can turn into Wario-Man and Shadow can use Chaos Control/ Donkey Kong and Omega can combo off each other with DK softening the enemy up with his massive punches and Omega goes overkill and uses so many bullets to finish off whatever is left of the enemy/ Mario, Luigi and Blaze can combine their fire and electric techniques to create one massive explosion and much more! The possibilities are endless!
God, Imagine if the story was like SMBZ and all those other old sprite animations from the late 2000s/early 2010s that is both a 3d platformer and an RPG?
02:25 Persona Q1 technically did this for example you could play the game on Mario's side and having some exclusive Sonic's characters as an allies and vise versa and to understand fully the story you had to play both side and once done you had the final boss
True. Different battle themes too for each side. Good song but the P4 Side is my favorite.
Plus it could open the doors to some unexpected character development moments between certain characters like imagine a scene where Luigi comforts Tails to assure him that Tails and Sonic are an inseparable team like how Luigi is with Mario, or Peach being able to soften Shadow’s loner attitude a bit due to her pure heart like how Maria was with Shadow, or Silver learning how to just have fun in the moment by playing with Yoshi or even Wario and Waluigi having a rant with Team Chaotix on how to split the reward money on a certain mission completion or Knuckles and Daisy have like a brother/sister type of friendship.
It would be nice for the Mario and Sonic characters to bond with each other like how the Persona 3, 4 and 5 casts bonded over the course of their stories.
I definitely think the rpg route is the best option for a Mario and Sonic. Taking elements from the Mario and Luigi games and Sonic Chronicles is great, but yeah Sonic Chronicles had some issues but if nintendo and sega take only the good stuff from those games I think they'll be fine
All I want is a game version of Super Mario Bros. Z, that's a solid enough idea.
This should definitely happen one day, great video! But until it does, maybe you could turn the RPG plot into a series, like what you’re currently doing with generations? Whatever you do though, I’m sure it’ll be cool chum!
Also, hear me out…
Waluigi and Big the cat DLC?
The Spin-offs are unironically the perfect way to cross them over.
I always wanted a cool & proper Mario & Sonic crossover game that I wanted to share ideas with anybody for sure, like..I really do. But I have a feeling it’s gonna impossible since no one doesn’t want that to happen because of the olympics series.
When you switch between Mario and Sonic the background music changes to fit either ones style. For example, when you switch to Mario, the song genre sounds more jazz-like, the typical mario music genre. When you switch to Sonic, the song genre sounds more rock-like, keeping the same melody while doing so.
In my mario fangames there is a lot of sonic inspired stuff. For example instead of Flying Battery, i created Wiggler Battery. And because i love Wiggler, i have created new wiggler variants like Spooklers, which are Boo Wigglers. I'm gonna be at SAGE 2024 with my Mario Fangames. I also like your ideas for the cross-over.
Rpg would make sense, and they can have a PQ 2 mechanic. It would be cool to see both Mario and Sonic characters build bonds with each other and the player aka Miis.
I did not expect so many people to mention the PQ games. Glad to see i've got some Persona enjoyers watching these videos 🔥
Plus we can have special character interactions we wouldn’t normally see like Donkey Kong offering Omega some bananas and Omega having no idea how to consume this potassium the gorilla offered, Knuckles and Daisy having like a brother/sister type of friendship/ Silver and Yoshi surprisingly playing off each other well/ Peach slowly getting Shadow to open up a bit more/ Mario and Cream the Rabbit having some tea with the Chao/ Rouge trying to steal some Star bits and Rosalina unsurprisingly catches her in the act/ Wario, Waluigi and Team Chaotix arguing over who deserves the reward money for a mission using those characters more (Wario and Waluigi needing it for their collection and Team Chaotix for their rent money) and so much more! The Persona Q games give a great idea on how some of those interactions can work out.
@@leohernandez8751 and also
Mii: MII EAT YOU WHOLE!
@@CuteRedPanda64 Sonic: “I am forever in your debt…. Wait, why did I say that?”
This would be a cute reference to the fact that both Sonic and SMT/Persona are owned by SEGA so it’d be a nice small meta joke.
I would feel like maybe taking inspiration from the Megaman crossover for the story would make sense, like maybe Eggman or Bowser uses the power of chaos emerald or whatever mguffin you want to cause a Genesis wave, merging Mario and Sonic's world while also splitting them into different zones like in Sonic Advance 3 which has aspects of a place in Sonic's world and aspects of a place in Mario's world, with each Zone containing one of the Chaos Emeralds (I also think it'd be fun if, instead of Eggman or Bowser teaming up they're actually enemies fighitng for control of the merged world and to collect the Chaos Emerald, they'd only team up at the end to beat Mario and Sonic)
I think the game should be Bowser and Eggman combinding Mario and Sonic's world into one. Also I think it would so funny is Sonic, Tails and Amy first meet Mario and luigi, and while Tails and AMY have the 2 brains to see that it's not Eggman, Sonic thinks it's Eggman AND THEN THEY FIGHT!!!!!!!! But, become friends because Tails and Amy talked to Luigi and either Wario, Yoshi or peach
I personally think Mario & Sonic would work best as a crossover in a 2D environment, as a guy who's played MANY 2D Mario and Sonic in the past, and even to this day.
What I had been thinking was making something in a similar manner to Super Mario Bros Wonder, and taking a lot of aspects from the 2D Sonic games made by Dimps (I DO NOT mean Sonic 4, I mean the handheld titles.) and Sonic Mania.
The plot would be similar to Sonic Rush, with both Mario's world and Sonic's world merging together, and if they successfully merge into one world, it would cause massive destruction, in which Bowser and Eggman would not care about if there's still land to conquer. And yes, Bowser doesn't steal Peach. He instead steals her castle to use as the crown jewel of the merged worlds.
As the game progresses, Eggman is building a robot stronger than any of the other robots he's constructed, calling it the Egg Titan. This holds the energy between both worlds, and it just needs the Chaos Emeralds to be complete. Obviously you need to collect them first as you go through the 11 worlds the game has to offer.
Finally, after achieving full 100% completion, the final two levels are unlocked, one of them being a repeat Champion's Road, and the other being the true final boss, the Egg Titan itself. It's at this point where Mario, Sonic, and their friends have had enough of Bowser and Eggman trying to conquer the world. They use the Chaos Emeralds, as well as various Mario powerups, to transform and fight Bowser and Eggman for the (hopefully) final time.
After the final bout, the worlds are restored, as is Peach's Castle. The gang make their way back to the castle during the staff roll (as in NSMB2), and that's game.
For gameplay, all controls would be the same as in Wonder, but with additional abilities imported from the 3D games, as well as unique playstyles for each character ala Mario 3D World. Additionally, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy don't need to use a run button (and instead have melee attacks on that input like the Advance trilogy), as well as controlling like in recent 2D Sonic games, including the Spin Dash, rolling, and having the Stomp attack instead of the ground-pound.
In particular, Sonic has the Homing Attack and the Drop Dash after jumping, and the Sonic Eagle from Battle as his melee attack. Tails can fly, use his tails as a weapon, and throw bombs. Knuckles has his punch attacks from Advance, and can glide and climb as expected. Amy has a hammer attack and hammer jump (like in Adventure), as well as her abilities from Superstars.
Like in the classic games, there's also Special Stages and Chaos Emeralds, with the reward of going Super (Sonic chars only, sorry guys.) after collecting them all. Mario and Luigi also have Super forms, but only at the Egg Titan fight. They are unusable everywhere else.
Like in Super Mario Bros Wonder, there's a gimmick in the levels that tie into the story, which screws with the base Mario levels: Sonic elements, such as loops, corkscrews, monitors, springs, dash rings, grind rails, speed pads, and all that good shit can be found in what should normally be platforming levels based off the New Super Mario Bros levels. Except compared to those, THESE have a ramp of difficulty when needed.
Thank God for the removal of the lives system. That's right, the lives system is gone. The score and timer are back, but you're still able to spend as much time in the levels as you need to, as it only affects your rank at the end of the level. SA2's scoring system is featured, as are the five letter ranks from Colors and Generations.
That's all I gotta say. Maybe I'll pitch this idea to Nintendo and Sega someday. For now, it's just a concept. But something like this should be bound to make a shitload of cash due to everyone wanting a Mario and Sonic crossover. Oh, and for what it's worth, I'm not labeling it as a "Mario & Sonic" game in the title. I want something similar to other 2D Mario games. Like... Super Mario Bros. Mayhem? Would that work?
Let me know what you think of this.
I wrote a crossover fic on ao3; Mario&Sonic: Worlds Align. I'm considering a sequel fic starring Luigi and Tails.
Zone 1: Mushroom Plains
Boss: Metal Mario(Smash 64)
Episode Pink(Amy and Peach): Lemmy
Zone 2: Dry Dry Desert Zone
Boss: Shiny Babylon Rogues
Episode Fireball(Blaze and Daisy): Larry
World 3: Emerald Islands
Boss(Phase 1): Red Birdo
Boss(Phase 2): Egg Squid
Episode Rouge: Wendy
World 4: Mystic Jungle
Episode Tails: Ludwig
Boss(Phase 1): King Boo
Boss(Phase 2): King Ludwig Von Boo
Zone 5: Sherbet Land Zone
Boss: Mecha Mario
Episode Luigi: Iggy
Zone 6: Yoshi Mountains Zone
Boss: Kamek
Episode Island(Knuckles and Yoshi): Roy
World 7: Angel Island
Boss: Wario and Waluigi
Episode Hedgehog(Shadow and Silver): Morton
Level 8: Doom Fleet(mix of Egg Fleet and Mario Airships)
Boss: Bowser
Zone 9: Egg Furnace Zone
Boss: Metal Sonic and Bowser Jr.
Episode Chaos(Super Sonic and Chaos Mario): Egg Castle Bowser
Extra World Brainstorming...
World 1: Emerald Hill
Boss: Zazz
World 2: Mirage Road
Boss: Zommom
Zone 3: Gelato Beach Zone
Boss: Zik
Zone 4: Boo Woods Zone
Boss: Zeena
World 5: Snow Shower
Boss: Zor
Zone 6: Canyon Cruise Zone
Boss: Zavok
Zone 8: Dry Deadline Zone
Boss: Dry Bowser Nega
Great idea! I think a Sonic (and Mario) RPG deserves a second change
My pitch for the story is:
Metal Sonic gets out of control by eggman, gets a new form (similar to Neo Metal Sonic)
and travels to the Mario universe (yes this is multiverse based) to dominate it but Sonic and friends were able to get teleported to there to stop Metal Sonic with the help of Mario and his friends
we could put things in like Shadow being mentally controlled and becoming a boss fight against Mario,
we could have Eggman and Bowser trying to stop Metal Sonic by themselves and them teaming up as playable characters,
and we could have Toad and Sonic having a dinamic similar to Mario and Toad in the Mario movie being the first Mario character Sonic meets
and much more...
This video deserves more views
Even though it's still sport-based, I think a crossover version of Mario Sports Mix would be a great idea. The original Sports Mix on the Wii featured all sorts of gimmicky stadiums inspired by Mario series locations, so the same could also be done for Sonic landmarks like Casino Night or Planet Wisp. We could even expand the number of sports from four to six: basketball, dodgeball, volleyball, handball, rugby and hockey.
Someone could make a fan game out of this.
holy moly i havent seen this guy in so long
Uploading every week!
I love these ideas, it's clear you put a lot of thought into this. I would love to see Eggman-ified Mario areas.
Although, for the Rpg idea, maybe since Amy uses her hammer, I think one of the bros should not use one. Maybe Luigi could the poltergust instead.
Still waiting for the Sonic Advance 3 review
Awesome Video Bro! I would also love to see a Sonic and Zelda crossover game. Sonic is copying The Legend Of Zelda after all. And Sonic is a Legend Of Zelda fan.
if we got a mario and sonic rpg with a bad story or bad gameplay like paperjam, sticker star, and origami king, id be fuming
Can someone please make a Mario and Sonic RPG Crossover that way.
..Yeeeeah, not gonna lie, it kinda puts bowser down a bit to just have him simply get roboticized into Eggman's minion, I think a much better idea would be to either have Bowser and Eggman team up, only to try to overthrow one another at some point, or Bowser and Eggman are constantly at odds with one another, trying to be the one and only ruler of BOTH worlds.
I totally agree that Bowser would not simply lose a fight and then become a puppet under normal circumstances, but this is the Mario & Luigi series where that exact thing happened in the first 3 games in some form or another.
This was meant to be an homage to the previous games, and not a reduction of Bowser himself. M&L Bowser doesn't have the best luck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly my idea for a game like the first one would be to work more like Sonic Generations: Going around iconic mario and sonic levels, with each of the two having their own level design and music but using the same location and general progression
So yeah basically sonic generations but mario instead of classic sonic lol
I think it'd allow a lot more creativity, considering how hard making two characters that control completely differently work on the same level usually is, and also like, man the music would be so good
i think the easiest way to do a mario and sonic crossover is just. sonic generations.
mario has 2d levels, sonic has 3d, have them interact in various cutscenes and meet other characters badabing badaboom easy
I think I'll took inspiration for my Sonic and Rayman cross over
I want Sonic characters with mario powerups like: Fire Flower Sonic, Tanoki Suit Tails, or Cat Bell Knuckles
I think the dialogue should look like Sonic Battle
Yeah, I too want a real crossover
Who actually would do the RPG idea? Cause if it is Nintendo, the only in house option is Intelligent Systems who already have to do Paper Mario and Fire Emblem.
The only good Olympic Mario Sonic is Winter DS.
Might consider Rio 2016 for the playable Zavok.
Here's one question I do have regarding the platformer: the final boss fight. Is it going to be Super Sonic? ;)
There should be a amy and peach team up if eggman and bowser kidnapped them and luigi and tails team up
Awesome Review
17:00 fin.
3D or 2d, don't matter to me. I just want something that isnt Olympics
Most importantly, make sure Nintendo is the primary developer and not Sega.
I feel like sonic is more gun ho than mario
Sorry cannot watch the video going through every Sonic game and I'm playing through Sonic Chronicles right now Im 6 games in
Honestly I want you to keep talking.
There are a lot of videos of me talking on this channel! And i'll be back next week with more words to say ✌️
@@Garrulous64 I fucking love words.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that this crossover would need the freaking chao garden.
The way you talk reminds me of Ellen Degeneres. Just saying.
That is where the similarities end, thankfully
This sucks