संवाद # 185: Why Modi must remove Agniveer Scheme | Colonel Yogander Singh
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- #agnipath #agniveer #indianarmy
Colonel (retd.) Yogander Singh is a retired Indian Army officer and military historian, with special focus on Haryana. He has written several books, most prominent among them being 'Hal Wa Samshir: Politico-Military History of Haryana'. (www.amazon.in/HAL-SHAMSHIR-Co..., Future Ready Indian Army and 'Effective Deterrence: Thoughts on India's Security Policy and Structures in the Twenty-first Century' (www.amazon.in/Effective-Deter....
0:00 Intro
1:57 Paramters for judging Agnipath scheme
3:26 Agniveer is a new kind of rank in the army
5:01 Many people don't know this about Agniveer scheme
7:01 66% of army's strength will be Agniveers!
9:08 How Agniveer will change Indian Army's ethos
10:38 Agniveer's pay & allowances
12:56 Biggest MYTH about India's defense budget
19:41 Pro Agniveer argument of 'youthful' fauj is faulty
26:00 Youthful army, Science & Kargil war
29:17 Will India save money by Agniveer scheme
32:02 Lessons from British Empire Vs Agniveer
37:14 Agniveers will be risk averse - basic psychology
42:01 Agniveer ka koi faayda nahi?
46:13 Will Agniveers be as committed soldiers as regular ones?
49:48 Give honest terms of service to soldiers
As a Modi supporter I would agree that elections are over, now is the time to discuss policy issues. This will help not only the nation but also BJP.
Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension.
The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary.
INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits.
INDI is gone crazy!!
Fuck BJP
जैसे मुल्ला की दौड़ मस्जिद तक वैसे स्वार्थी की दौड़ स्थायी नियुक्ति पत्र तक वाली बात हो गई है। इसलिए सरकारी सेवा में शुरुआत में स्थायी नियुक्ति बंद होनी चाहिए । सुधार तो करना ही होगा जबकि पुरानी भर्ती प्रक्रिया के दुष्परिणाम स्पष्ट हैं। आमतौर पर कुछ बातें जनता को नहीं समझती, भावुक होते हैं तो दुष्प्रचार से प्रभावित होते हैं। आपने सुना होगा हर जगह लोग leadership की बात ही करते हैं लेकिन सेना में leadership और followership दोनों qualities चाहिए तभी तो सैन्य _बल_ कहलाता है नहीं तो सब एक दूसरे को कैंसिल आउट करके निर्बल होते। सेना में strict chain of लीडर-फॉलोवर-लीडर-फॉलोवर संरचना से बलपूर्वक एक लक्ष्य को हासिल करते हैं। ये जाति-विशेष का नहीं प्रशिक्षण विधि का परिणाम होता है। अंग्रेजों ने तो अधीन कॉलोनीज की सामाजिक संरचना का अध्ययन किया था उसका दुरुपयोग करने के लिए, तो इसलिए जातिवादी रेजिमेंट बनाया। आपको सिख रेजिमेंट और सिख लाइट इन्फेंट्री में अन्तर का इतिहास जानकर भी शर्म आएगी कि पहले वाले रेजिमेंट में जटसिख भर्ती होते थे और दूसरे में मजहबी और रामदासिया सिख। जटसिख अपने को हाई caste मानते थे और दुसरे वालों के साथ नहीं होना चाहते थे। यही अंतर मराठा लाइट इन्फेंट्री और महार रेजिमेंट का था। यदि pre-modern/feudalist narrow loyalties के नाम निशान ही जारी रखना है तो फिर कोई modernisation ही क्यों करना? याद रखें कि ये narrow loyalties पालने का परिणाम था कि 500 से अधिक जटसिख सैनिक फौजी हथियार सहित आतंकवादी भिंडरावाले से जा मिले, इसके बाद ही हुआ था आपरेशन ब्लू स्टार जो कि अपरिहार्य था।
YES SARKAR REWDI BATNE KE BADLE ESTHAI ROJGAR DENA SAHI HOGA
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Agniveer is one of the main cause of BJP defeat in Rajasthan, Haryana, UP, Punjab..that affect 40 To 50 seats
Agniveer , OPS & Corporatization of Defence Sector specially Ordnance Factories was the main factor, because they were the people who voted for BJP regularly, but got betrayed
Right sir
@@PeshwaMotivations Lamo ! Corporatisation of Defense sector specially HAL , Ordinance Factory Board were needed . Kabhi bhi time se kuch delivery nahi karte ye defence PSUs . Always late-latife hote rahate they yahan .
@@PeshwaMotivations Nah! You are so off
Punjab is drug addict khalistani rest of them hate bjp. I'm from haryana jaat in favour of Hooda because he will give freebies jobs. Don't give this agniveer logic. Bjp winning in vidhan sabha why?
@colonel yoginder singh
गजब का इंटरव्यू हैं।
पुरे देश को सुनना चाहिए।
सैलूट हैं आप दोनों को ।
मैं एक पूर्व नोसैनिक हूँ।
20 वर्ष सेवा किया हूँ।
कर्नल साब के विचार अति उत्तम हैं।
देश और सेना हित मैं हैं।
Although I am Narendra Modi supporter but I fully agree with you Sir...we civilians are surviving because of our Army, Navy and Air force...no playing with defence staff...
Some Officers of armed forces are pushing for change & innovation while other want status quo.
If you hear arguments of other side then you will convince to their point of view.
Our Armed Forces need to push reforms from internal side with consensus.
@@naveenparashar764but 60% temporary employed is extremely large, that's not a goal to have for next ten year atleast, we have to have long term studies for these kind of high will power based services
@@varunkhugshal9049actually the number of permanent ones would be like as before but the policy takes extra in fact 3 times than actual need..
Its useless as you are creating thousands of youth trained in arms who are unhappy. Its better to continue the earlier one.
@@naveenparashar764
officers & rich people think that only their lives & views r important and everyone else is there to serve them, follow their orders without ifs & buts...
how much u agree with this 😅 ?
@@ashuexcelHow do you everyone is unhappy. Many are preferred to go
अरिहंत जी मैंने पूरी वार्ता को ध्यान से सुना। प्रथमदृष्टया कर्नल साहब का विश्लेषण ठीक मालूम पड़ता है, हालांकि मुझे संशय है सरकार और विशेषज्ञों ने इन बिंदुओं पर विचार नहीं किया होगा। मुझे नहीं लगता इतनी छोटी राशि के लिए सरकार सेना की क्षमता से समझौता कर राजनीतिक आत्मघात करेगी। इसलिए आपसे अनुरोध है कि इस विषय पर अन्य लोगों से भी चर्चा की जाए।
Sarkar khud Maan chuki hai ye baat, bjp ka record hai atal ne pension band kiya modi ne army contract pe Diya RSS ke agende me ye sab hota hai
Excellent points are raised by Colonel Yogander Singh. I wish our PM and Raksha Mantri take note. Agnipath scheme is a sure path of folly. It should be scrapped and the old system of recruitment should be reinstated. The government should understand the human factor affecting morale and esprit de corps. Congrats Colonel for this superb analysis.
Maj Gen V K Varma,AVSM (Retd)
Jai hind sir
Sir you are right but don’t you think that colonel Yogendra sir’s point that avg age of the army will not be affected by selecting 22-23 yr old agneeveer as the leader age would be more approx 32or more and the unit will run according to age of the leader not the jawans.
@@dr.anandprakash
Yeah the leader maybe older but the ones he will be instructing will be Young. Young ones can be utilised in good way
Podcast jab sach ke sath hota hai tab bahut hi professional lagta hai.. thank you both...this one of the most professional podcast I came across THANK YOU 🙏
This agniveer scheme was pushed by a certain saboteur/grifter who is the nephew of subramaniam swamy and pretends to be a defense analyst. he was pushing "modernization of defense forces". BJP needs to shun these americanized social media opportunists or they will destroy everything that hindus have fought for not only since rise of BJP but over centuries. They are just nehruvian impostors within "RW".
This particular grifter was against defense indigenization due to his closeness to outfits based out of the US. That alone should have raised red flags. They always propose american solutions that just won't work in India.
This americanized group was also proposing for BJP to shy away from caste equations by attacking jati as antimodern and proposing american style presidential campaigns. Listening to them will result in a rout for BJP next time.
Only genuine reliable Hindu centered channels like Vaad need to be supported by BJP.
Thanks for this discussion.
But it was largely one-sided. Please bring some expert who has some different aspect for Agnipath Scheme.
Remember -> Future war will be largely fought on Robotics, Drones, Nuclear Submarines, AI, Satellites.
It'll be prudent to invest more on such automation and technologies.
Jai Hind.
True brother future wars Saari technology ki hai bhai 😊
If Agniveer has to go then OROP has to go. Army's whole budget is going into extraordinary army pensions, this is why Agniveer was introduced to reduce pentioned army persons.
OROP was a blackmail by army officer community.
@@user-thakur870 In 2022, the overall defence budget of India was $65 billion. Out of which $16 billion was only pension. Thoda padh lia kar Ganwar, koi kuch bhi bolkar chala jata hai.
@@pra8kwhat kind of tooth to tail ratio can that budget afford you?
@@rutvikrs U r dumb the wars will be won by technology more and less on manpower plus if something happens to person the govt has to compensate him too plus is also answerable too..how can we purchase or develop modern weapons if we keep on recruiting men in army as the salaries and pension will take almost 30-40% of budget ...the more technologically advanced the army is ,the more is ur chances of winning ,it is definitely not abt the numbers
Completely agree with you. We need to modernize out defence forces.
Aur agar in chutiyo ko meat shield Banna hi hai to Bhajpa ko apna gardan age karne ki koi zarurat nahi hai. Revoke agniveer for economical reforms in private sectors.@@pra8k
@@user-thakur870... ये कांग्रेसी कर्नल साहब हैं, इनको अग्निवीर स्कीम में एक भी अच्छाई नजर नहीं आई
BJP should start listening to subject matter expert not the ias babus and ips babus
This agniveer scheme was pushed by a certain saboteur/grifter who is the nephew of subramaniam swamy and pretends to be a defense analyst. he was pushing "modernization of defense forces". BJP needs to shun these americanized social media opportunists or they will destroy everything that hindus have fought for not only since rise of BJP but over centuries. They are just nehruvian impostors within "RW".
This particular grifter was against defense indigenization due to his closeness to outfits based out of the US. That alone should have raised red flags. They always propose american solutions that just won't work in India.
This americanized group was also proposing for BJP to shy away from caste equations by attacking jati as antimodern and proposing american style presidential campaigns. Listening to them will result in a rout for BJP next time.
Only genuine reliable Hindu centered channels like Vaad need to be supported by BJP.
Absolutely
Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension.
The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary.
INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits.
INDI is gone crazy!!
Fantastic program
Great host
Great guest
Thank you
I tried very hard but could not find a single logical reason for Agniveer. This scheme is hurting our national intrest.
Modi should smell the coffee
Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension.
The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary.
INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits.
INDI is gone crazy!!
Then you did not try very hard:
1. The military equipment is becoming more tech oriented than personnel focused. Less soldiers, more quality.
2. Each time a new equipment is developed/acquired it comes with a skill tree that keeps only the young people ready. Ex, if you never used Google maps to explore unfamiliar places, Uber/Ola is harder for you. Same thing with controllers modelled after Xbox controllers, vr headsets and 3rd person perspective.
3. Since the Vietnam war, only two styles have won out. A super technical army that can level a country in minutes and a meat grinder that sacrifices people for attrition. Which one is better?
4. What happens if our army is filled with 35-50 yos who are unable to adapt to highly technical equipment?
@@rutvikrs study the isareal and hamas war. See what happens when u bring in lot of tech only in to defence sector. Also India don't have own technologies, we borrow or buy tech from others. Now u want more tech dependability, I mean do u think that other tech companies from whom u buy will not betray you.
Look how us plays game when it finds ally in trouble, look Ukrainian model. Ukraine is test field for both super power where they r testing 30 years of tech modernization.
U should re think before MAKING SUCH big big policy changes just because u can not increase 10 billion dollar defence budget.
Indians talk as high as sky but don't even bother to attempt walk first.
@@Saurabh-illumina on the Israel Hamas war:
1. Who is winning right now?
2. Who has the capability to wipe out the other in 6 minutes?
3. Who will obligate other countries to support them through finance, industry and academia?
4. Which army can take on a variety of forces?
5. Which army can handle a multi front war?
6. Which army sacrifices its people, let alone soldiers?
7. What kind of headcount is needed by each side to win a war?
8. Who wins between 3 drones vs 100 infantry?
9. Does your economy in the near and mid future make human life less or more expensive?
10. Is your enemy upgrading or downgrading?
2 more things Agniveer is to create a huge reserve in case of world war and to fight 0.5 war inside.@@rutvikrs
Thank you Vaad for starting these conversations. Jai hind! 🇮🇳
Please share as much as possible.Much appreciated podcast. Finally someone understood and articulated my opinion in this video.
Very good and very useful debate with the respective colonel Sahib ji for the future betterment of India. Modi ji must look this vedeo and reconsider Agniveer Scheme as early as possible
Top Reason for Uttar Pradesh Loss: 1) 400 Par - slogan made Hindus complacent, 2) 90% Muslims voted unitedly against BJP, 3) Congress fake narrative of BJP will change Constitution worked.
1 Modi's pasmanda prem.
2 Abasi Karan of system and ministry.
3. Destruction of temples and murtis, whereas in the same places, preservation of mosques
4. Too much overconfident. Very much Self centric behavior
5. Anti hindu bills and their provisions getting implemented
Maulana Mohammad Modiuddin
Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension.
The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary.
INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits.
INDI is gone crazy!!
Bolte raho ye sab hariyan me bhi haro ge abhi
@@the.king.of.pirates Khattar should get chappal 👡. The person who puts Hindus in jail just for opposing namaj on public places.
Sir very Balanced and good massage to government.
Please do continue this series no matter the odds.
Sir best discussion
अग्निवीर देश के लिए अच्छी योजना है,क्योंकि इससे के नौजवानों को अनुशासित करती है,इस उम्र के बच्चे ज्यादातर गलत चीजो में पङ जाते उन्हें अच्छी ट्रेनिंग ,रु. कि कमाई भी है ,अधिकतर जवान शारीरिक रुप से सुदृढ होगें
Unfortunately government is playing with the future of human resources of nations .
Bhai phir sab ko tranning krwa do
Excellent effort to educate everyone on Agnipath Scheme. Thanks
Technology is changing every moment and forces are being upgraded to meet the emerging situation.
Agniveer is just like compulsory military service in some countries. People who do that are more motivated and can achieve many things in life. I have seen a Swiss guy who is now CEO of a mechanical Company. Very motivated.
How is it compulsory if all are not serving?
Its not like that the same people who were joining earlier are joining today
@@brar1320 they have compulsory military service for 1-2 years. After that you go into real world.
Agniveer too 75% of them leave after 2 years.
Problem is with 60% anniveer goal.. taking it above 10 % without long term impact studies, is dangerous for such sensitive services
Faalatu ki baat hain ye sab. Let us give some time to this scheme then to be revisited if needed.
Watched the Full video. Most important things I learnt 1. The importance of the covenants. 2. Bloated civilians accounting for def budget. 3. Effect on morale and risk averseness by 75 % attrition, I work in a place that has 10 % attrition and it has effect on morale and team work so imagine 75 %. These are very real problems but he does not give any solutions. Future wars will not be so manpower intensive we need more investment in indigenous technology. He also doesn’t mention OROP for which the officers fought and has an impact on bringing this scheme. Overall we will have to scrap this until the economy becomes usd 10k per capita. Very very long way to go 2045 maybe
BJP leadership ka ek aur failure tha Arihant aur inke jaise dher date right wing RUclipsrs ko support na karna. Govt should fund them and support them. Dhruv Rathe ki video ki quality dekh ke lagta hai ek badi tech team hai peeche aur uske confidence se saaf pta chalta hai ki solid political backing hai. Agar Modi Ji chahien toh 50 Dhruv Rathee khade kar sakte hain. Aur ek aur baat ye, ki in sab well wishers ki baatien aur analysis pe gaur karien aur feedback pe work karien
During era of Ranjit Singh even British officers came to India to join his army because one rupee was equivalent thirteen dollars.
Colonel Sahab ne kaafi sahi points bataye hain. Inn pe sarkar ko dhyaan dena chaiye
One of the best interviews, highly factual and arguments were driven by presenting data vs emotions, as is case with most podcasts. Good Job Colonel
Factual? He said OTA received only 100-150 officers / year because terms of services acchi nahi hai. That’s clearly not the reason. This man is clearly cooking up a false narrative here!
Non-Combatist staff in safe areas can be made Agniveer but Combatist forces in sensitive areas should not be Agniveer at any cost.
Otherwise after some years we will have people in army who will not dedicate themself completely to forces and its operations resulting in Failed Defence System of Country.
राजा और सैनिकका संबंध
और देश काॅन्स्ट्यूट्यूशनल संदर्भसे चलने लगनेका संदर्भके उपर एक सटिक समीक्षा व विश्लेषण है
बहोत बहोत धन्यवाद सर
सुप्रभातंम
Defence ka finance .....ministry of finance karwa do....
Aur ye 40,000 posts minimalist kar lo.......
Par hamare soldiers ko full salary...
Aur uske family ko bhi full pension mile🙏🇮🇳
In a pre industrial agrarian society such as ours any reform with a long term trickle down effect is very difficult to implement because most people do not have a viable source of income and as such people won't accept it as it calls for some sort of a sacrifice which people can't afford. Sad but true. Good conversation
I hope the logic explained by Colonel saab reaches the Govt .. because todays topmost leadership don't have guts to explain the same in the right forum
A lot of problems highlighted by Colonel Yogander. Eye opening.
great conversation sir
आप बहुत ही अच्छा कार्य कर रहे है कभी अपने प्रॉडकास्ट में पूर्व राजनायिक व संसद एन के सिंह को भी बुलाए उनका परिवार का प्रत्येक सदस्य भारत के इतिहास में प्रशासन व राजनीति में गहरी योगदान दिया है। उनकी पुस्तक को अभी पढ़ रहा हूं बेहतरीन तरीके से लिखा गया है
पुस्तक का नाम:- Portraits of Power: Half a Century of Being at Ringside
Book by N. K. Singh
Indian Coast Guard budget is also from Defence Civil budget.
13,842 is the sanction strength (2018-19) of Indian Coast Guard.
Excellent patriotic approach.
Mr Manhas' point is very valid. On an average, there are 20-25% deadwood. Those deadwood are not those who perform differently in war. That lot is different.
What was colour service tenure till 1971?
Why member of parliament are not following agniveer scheme.
Good informative debate.
Chacha 42:00 me faas gye.. 😅 gol mol bolne lage...
Its Democracy always welcome healthy criticism
@@user-thakur870 Matlab Sare suwar milkar bhi or itna propaganda chala kar bhi 234 pe reh gye or wo akela 241 le aagya... Or suwar k chamche baas ispe hi nach rahe h... 😅😆 acha h nacho...
Or jaha tk baat kar fauj k... Uske liye dil se izzat h... Unke liye jo bhi faisla liya jaye wo unke ache ko dhyan me rakh kar liya jana chahiye... Or agar koe faisla galat ho to usse dubara sochna chahiye... Or jo chamchu@# baap ka gyan de raha jese fauj desh k liye h usse tarah hm citizen bhi apna tax pay karte h.. Yaha koe free me apna service nhi de raha h.... Or ye Democrecy h yaha sawal puchne ka sabka adhikar h... Koe yaha special nhi h
To what about modernisation duniya pta bhi hai kha ja rahi hai China bhi apni army ka size kam kar rha hai dheere dheere 😊@@user-thakur870
Agneeveer Scheme was worst decision of BJP government. Instead of giving more employment to middle class people, they deliberately took this bad decision.
Col Yogender need to publish a White report on this issue along with his some other Defence forces officers
The problem in India is that there is no mechanism to hold even a democratic government accountable for its decisions in any way except in the elections after 5 years. When people hold a government accountable then it is surprise to everyone.
RTI hey na
@@ayushmankar4100RTI file karna thodi aata hai in critiques ko.
Bas bakwaas karni hai.
@@rscsingh7848 Ye baat to hey
There is a mechanism for that also but gyaani babu like you just like to comment nonsense and that's it.
@@rscsingh7848 PM Cares Fund par RTI lagu nahi hota. Uska accountability?
Agnipath Scheme has made Defense Forces last priority for the youth due to the worst terms and conditions.
Think about the Quality of Soldiers India will have after few years.
Agniveer should be run with 50 % retention and last year compulsory intake by cisf,bsf,crpf and other central government if agniveer applies provided they clear medical and written exam and be given seniority as they have rendered service already;money to who doesnot want and reservation in police state services
अगनिवीर Scheme is the best in Indian history for more to more youths serve for four year for nation, after serve for para military, police forces reserves, BEST SCHEME IN HISTORY ❤🇮🇳🌄🌱🌳✌👍
Saandar 🌄🌱🌱
🌄🌱🌳🇮🇳❤
🙏🥇👍🌱🌳
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Why can't the soldier retire by 20 years of work and join police force. We will get trained police force.
*My proposal for modification in Agnipath Scheme*
*Age Limit for application*:- 17 Years 3 Months to 20 Years 9 Months
After being selected as an Agniveer:-
*Stage 1*
9 Month training
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 17.25 to 20.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
18 to 21.5
*Stage 2*
39 Months deployment as per the requirements of the Indian army 🪖
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5
Final Age bracket (In years):-
21.25 to 24.75
*Stage 3*
Provision for extension of 2 years
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
23.25 to 26.75
Those who don't opt for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 4*
2 Year extension for maximum 85 % of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 3.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 5*
Permanent enrolment into the Armed Forces, of maximum 85% of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 4.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Benefits*:-
1) Indian army will get young personnel of age bracket (18 to 28.75 years) reducing the average age of Indian army from it's current figure of 32- 33 years to below 30 years.
2) After each stage, some portion of the Agniveers will go back, most of them would go to the Central forces and the remaining ones would assimilate in the society where it is made sure that they are well off due to the Seva Nidhi package given under the Agniveer Corpus fund, created by the Government of Bharat. These Agniveers who will be assimilating in the society will still be young enough to build their career from scratch, equipped with mental strength and discipline required to succeed in today's fast- paced world.
3) The central forces will benefit from the experienced, battle- hardened Agniveers which would not require rigorous training unlike the other fresh recruits in the central forces. This will also save the finances of the central forces which could then be used instead in the modernization of the weapons and strengthening of the systems in place.
4) Agniveers who are even left out after a certain stage will constitute a skilled backup force in case of a war like situation or in case of Internal strifes/ Natural calamities/ Pandemics & Epidemics, etc.
I am a staunch Hindutva supporter but Modi goverment should end agniveer policy otherwise it will be a disaster for country
देश हित मे अग्निवीर योजना का रिव्यू जरूर होना चाहिए।
Gen G.D. Bakshi also disagrees with the Agniveer policy. They should rather make 1 year military service mandatory after 18 years and then give voting rights to citizens, after a civilian serves the mandatory 1 yr in armed forces or other border forces etc.
Me being a sociology student...marriage institution is also disturbed with this scheme where rural belt parents are facing hardships
Great video
I saw so many reports on how Agniveer is affecting rural youth... After that I realised it's not really beneficial for the youth...neither for army ethos. I had left the expert commentary about its benefits to the army but as a citizen I saw it's hurting youth aspirations in a bad way. Agniveer must be scrapped.
It's not possible to scrap it.
OROP drains a lot of Indian Defence budget. It cannot be continued forever. Additionally, Police reforms haven't been done in over a hundred years. Agniveer is meant to serve both these purposes. Manpower needs to be cut down, diverted to other paramilitary forces, retrained, and kept engaged till the age of 50+. That is why Agniveer was introduced.
Ha agniveer se paramilatry me direct transfer karni chahiye. Agar 25% military me jarah hai to 75% ko paramilitary forces me recruitment ke liye jyada recommendation Dena chahiye.
*My proposal for modification in Agnipath Scheme*
*Age Limit for application*:- 17 Years 3 Months to 20 Years 9 Months
After being selected as an Agniveer:-
*Stage 1*
9 Month training
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 17.25 to 20.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
18 to 21.5
*Stage 2*
39 Months deployment as per the requirements of the Indian army 🪖
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5
Final Age bracket (In years):-
21.25 to 24.75
*Stage 3*
Provision for extension of 2 years
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
23.25 to 26.75
Those who don't opt for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 4*
2 Year extension for maximum 85 % of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 3.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 5*
Permanent enrolment into the Armed Forces, of maximum 85% of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 4.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Benefits*:-
1) Indian army will get young personnel of age bracket (18 to 28.75 years) reducing the average age of Indian army from it's current figure of 32- 33 years to below 30 years.
2) After each stage, some portion of the Agniveers will go back, most of them would go to the Central forces and the remaining ones would assimilate in the society where it is made sure that they are well off due to the Seva Nidhi package given under the Agniveer Corpus fund, created by the Government of Bharat. These Agniveers who will be assimilating in the society will still be young enough to build their career from scratch, equipped with mental strength and discipline required to succeed in today's fast- paced world.
3) The central forces will benefit from the experienced, battle- hardened Agniveers which would not require rigorous training unlike the other fresh recruits in the central forces. This will also save the finances of the central forces which could then be used instead in the modernization of the weapons and strengthening of the systems in place.
4) Agniveers who are even left out after a certain stage will constitute a skilled backup force in case of a war like situation or in case of Internal strifes/ Natural calamities/ Pandemics & Epidemics, etc.
Great Video Arihant Bhai
Good content
Agree with Colonel Sahab.
Simply brilliant
बहुत सुंदर विवेचना रही है,अग्निवीर योजना को पुनः मन्थन की आवश्यकता है।
जो सच्चा देशभक्त होता है,देश से कुछ भी अपेक्षा नहीं करता।
Agniveer hataoo desh ko majboot banaoo .army ko plss politics se door rakheee🙏🙏
Hello Arihant ji, thank you for the informative podcast with figures and more insights. Please make a video on how Amritpal got elected, as it been assumed that Khalistan propaganda is not supported by the population residing in Punjab but here we are observing some under current something being cooked without any smoke. People of Punjab are not directly supporting Khalistani propaganda but election results are telling completely controversial. Please if possible try to raise this issue in your next podcast with any host who can share.
I maybe be biased but idk I find his analysis very selective and when he was asked that this person is stating benefits of agniveer then he side lined the agreement very conveniently, also he stated a historical battle, maybe he is right but I don't think the senas while fighting with britishers will see that ki unko pension kitni milrr hai ya salary kitni milre hai, and also he said avg age toh Kam hojaegi but, jo lead krega uss unit ko uski age toh vo he rahega and sab uske pace se he kaam karenge, and thodi deer baad he said ki 35 age is the peak age for endurance and vagera vagera,, toh obv unit toh uske leader k pace pr chalegi, but who said ki pace kam hojaega ya Jada hojaega? Agveer aane k baad, and finally the study he quoted the amount of benefits from agniveer scheme (20 yrs mai 2lakh crore something) should be reviewed .
Agree.
He was contradicting at many times.
Agneever pe aur bhi discussions honi chahiye
5:33 Britisher used to recruit army personnel from Punjab, Haryana, HP, Rajasthan and now uttrakhand because such men are hard working and physically more built-up.
I am not at aware of military so here is my Question
- I see Army personal Buying kitchen Items in local market
- I see Army personal Driving their officers
- I see Army personal Helping in emergency situation
This Agniveer people are just Workers they not needed to be involve in Risk Situation
I have heard so many service man just doing gardening of bungalow so i think they are better as after some year he will be out this way upper level officer cant keep permanent Gardener
and yes This Upper level personal are pushing back Agniveer as their Status is at risk .. think about it if Agniveer which is retired can say anything about their superior officer .. normal Service man can not complain ..
Remember that one Army man Complain over his food .. What is is status of him.. one cared ..
Very nice discussion held. Good vedio. Detailed points explanationed. Thanks.
Govt should think about for the betterment.
Defense सिविलियन का पेंशन मैं हिस्सा 40% हैं।
एक फ़ौजी औसत रिटायर 15-22 वर्ष सेवा में होता हैं।जबकि सिविलियन 60 कि उम्र में रिटायर होता हैं और फ़ौजी से 6 गुणा पेंशन पर रिटायर होता हैं!
अगली बार सीट जीतनी हो उसके लिए यह संवाद हो तो इसका कोई मतलब नही रहेगा। देश की सेना की भलाई के लिए अगर ये संवाद हो और ऐसे सभी क्षेत्रों में हो तो अच्छी पहल होगी। 👌
Even after seeing this episode I still support Agniveer Scheme
Me too
*My proposal for modification in Agnipath Scheme*
*Age Limit for application*:- 17 Years 3 Months to 20 Years 9 Months
After being selected as an Agniveer:-
*Stage 1*
9 Month training
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 17.25 to 20.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
18 to 21.5
*Stage 2*
39 Months deployment as per the requirements of the Indian army 🪖
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5
Final Age bracket (In years):-
21.25 to 24.75
*Stage 3*
Provision for extension of 2 years
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
23.25 to 26.75
Those who don't opt for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 4*
2 Year extension for maximum 85 % of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 3.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 5*
Permanent enrolment into the Armed Forces, of maximum 85% of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 4.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Benefits*:-
1) Indian army will get young personnel of age bracket (18 to 28.75 years) reducing the average age of Indian army from it's current figure of 32- 33 years to below 30 years.
2) After each stage, some portion of the Agniveers will go back, most of them would go to the Central forces and the remaining ones would assimilate in the society where it is made sure that they are well off due to the Seva Nidhi package given under the Agniveer Corpus fund, created by the Government of Bharat. These Agniveers who will be assimilating in the society will still be young enough to build their career from scratch, equipped with mental strength and discipline required to succeed in today's fast- paced world.
3) The central forces will benefit from the experienced, battle- hardened Agniveers which would not require rigorous training unlike the other fresh recruits in the central forces. This will also save the finances of the central forces which could then be used instead in the modernization of the weapons and strengthening of the systems in place.
4) Agniveers who are even left out after a certain stage will constitute a skilled backup force in case of a war like situation or in case of Internal strifes/ Natural calamities/ Pandemics & Epidemics, etc.
*My proposal for modification in Agnipath Scheme*
*Age Limit for application*:- 17 Years 3 Months to 20 Years 9 Months
After being selected as an Agniveer:-
*Stage 1*
9 Month training
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 17.25 to 20.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
18 to 21.5
*Stage 2*
39 Months deployment as per the requirements of the Indian army 🪖
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5
Final Age bracket (In years):-
21.25 to 24.75
*Stage 3*
Provision for extension of 2 years
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
23.25 to 26.75
Those who don't opt for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 4*
2 Year extension for maximum 85 % of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 3.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75
Final Age bracket (In years):-
25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Stage 5*
Permanent enrolment into the Armed Forces, of maximum 85% of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 4.
Initial Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75
Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat.
*Benefits*:-
1) Indian army will get young personnel of age bracket (18 to 28.75 years) reducing the average age of Indian army from it's current figure of 32- 33 years to below 30 years.
2) After each stage, some portion of the Agniveers will go back, most of them would go to the Central forces and the remaining ones would assimilate in the society where it is made sure that they are well off due to the Seva Nidhi package given under the Agniveer Corpus fund, created by the Government of Bharat. These Agniveers who will be assimilating in the society will still be young enough to build their career from scratch, equipped with mental strength and discipline required to succeed in today's fast- paced world.
3) The central forces will benefit from the experienced, battle- hardened Agniveers which would not require rigorous training unlike the other fresh recruits in the central forces. This will also save the finances of the central forces which could then be used instead in the modernization of the weapons and strengthening of the systems in place.
4) Agniveers who are even left out after a certain stage will constitute a skilled backup force in case of a war like situation or in case of Internal strifes/ Natural calamities/ Pandemics & Epidemics, etc.
Arihant you are superb so is Colonel Saab Salute
Nice point of view .. thanks for knowledgeable session. Hope gov will take note of it in +ve way. Ultimate goal to serve nation with passion !!
Agniveer Yojna band honi chahiye
Arihant bhai you have been doing a consistent job. I have some recommendations for you with regards to the topics -
Urban infrastructure and other issues.
Rural waste management( big issues )
Climate change ( recent heatwaves )
Water availablity.
फौज का कमर तोड दिया भविष्य में इस योजना को अगर वापस नही लिया गया तो बहुत बुरा दिन हमको देखना परेगा। सिर्फ टेक्नोलॉजी और आधुनिक हथियार से लड़ाई जीता नही जाता। मैनपावर का substitute कुछ नहीं हो सकता।
My maternal uncle is serving in Army.. he is diagnosed with heart disease and he is posted in Leh... Would he defend the country against foreign aggression? I think.. No. But Is he taking care of his family with regular income? Absolutely... Yes. Now the government and citizens have do decide... What is the motto of Defence forces?
जो social benefit hoga... Us par to bat hi nahi kiya
Very true... He is कांग्रेसी कर्नल 😅
We need to reduce our army size but agniveer is not the solution. Plus those who come out of service should be transitioned into police force. This will raise fitness of our police force too and the army men will also have a good civilian life.
Though I am also in favour of scheme reform however Mujhe pata nahi aisa kyun lag raha hai k guest ye Batana chah rahe hain k military man normally kuchh karna nahi chahte bas paise and job security se hi military join rate hain. Positive side ye bhi ho sakta hai k 25% me aane k liye vo 4 year apna best dega and jab vo select ho jayega to ek Bahut hi deciplined shoulder ban k nikle.
Def Civilians jaise ki
DEOs
Cantt Executive Officers etc..
...MES civilians...
CDA civilians..
BRO civilians
Ordnance Depot workers..etc
Ordnance factories...iofs cadre officers..
Humare soldiers toughest life jee rahe hain aur ye ek jagah dhuni lagakar chipke rehte hain without transfer...always cities ,peace station...
Corruption alag
They are deep rooted in corruption too
The idea is to train Indian youth to fight. In some countries like Israel, they have compulsory military service.
I felt as if data is presented that way it would look like an anti Agniveer podcast. At least at two instances the argument is contrary. You should also invite an intellectual who is in favour of Agniveer. This would have the right prospects.
Good podcast, Col Singh gave every kind of arguments against Agniveer, some convincing and some not so. Now try to bring a guest, former armed forces personnel, who argues FOR agniveer. You can counter him with Col Singh's points.
Also could not find the studies he was quoting on ORF and IDSA website, if anyone find those papers, kindly share the link in the comments reply.
Thanks
*जब सेना और सैनिक की उम्र कम होगी तो देश की स्वतंत्रता भी घटती जाती है।।*
*अनुभव के आगे ताकत कुछ भी नहीं।।*
In 2014 national debit was 55 lakh crores and now it has crossed 170 lakh crores,
Very good and factual analysis
अदभुत विश्लेषण 👍🙏
loved the interview, if you look at age of athletes who break world records they are mostly in their 30s so 30s is more resilient than 20s, additionally the age of unit might decrease but so does the wisdom
Also agniveers are not allowed to give any examination during their tenure, it is one of the main issue in agniveer
Good, Agniveer will distroy army moral
Very good conversation....I myself as a regular army person can see a huge difference between an Agniveer and a regular Soldier
जैसे मुल्ला की दौड़ मस्जिद तक वैसे स्वार्थी की दौड़ स्थायी नियुक्ति पत्र तक वाली बात हो गई है। इसलिए सरकारी सेवा में शुरुआत में स्थायी नियुक्ति बंद होनी चाहिए । सुधार तो करना ही होगा जबकि पुरानी भर्ती प्रक्रिया के दुष्परिणाम स्पष्ट हैं। आमतौर पर कुछ बातें जनता को नहीं समझती, भावुक होते हैं तो दुष्प्रचार से प्रभावित होते हैं। आपने सुना होगा हर जगह लोग leadership की बात ही करते हैं लेकिन सेना में leadership और followership दोनों qualities चाहिए तभी तो सैन्य बल कहलाता है नहीं तो सब एक दूसरे को कैंसिल आउट करके निर्बल होते। सेना में strict chain of लीडर-फॉलोवर-लीडर-फॉलोवर संरचना से बलपूर्वक एक लक्ष्य को हासिल करते हैं। ये जाति-विशेष का नहीं प्रशिक्षण विधि का परिणाम होता है। अंग्रेजों ने तो अधीन कॉलोनीज की सामाजिक संरचना का अध्ययन किया था उसका दुरुपयोग करने के लिए, तो इसलिए जातिवादी रेजिमेंट बनाया। आपको सिख रेजिमेंट और सिख लाइट इन्फेंट्री में अन्तर का इतिहास जानकर भी शर्म आएगी कि पहले वाले रेजिमेंट में जटसिख भर्ती होते थे और दूसरे में मजहबी और रामदासिया सिख। जटसिख अपने को हाई caste मानते थे और दुसरे वालों के साथ नहीं होना चाहते थे। यही अंतर मराठा लाइट इन्फेंट्री और महार रेजिमेंट का था। यदि pre-modern/feudalist narrow loyalties के नाम निशान ही जारी रखना है तो फिर कोई modernisation ही क्यों करना? याद रखें कि ये narrow loyalties पालने का परिणाम था कि 500 से अधिक जटसिख सैनिक फौजी हथियार सहित आतंकवादी भिंडरावाले से जा मिले, इसके बाद ही हुआ था आपरेशन ब्लू स्टार जो कि अपरिहार्य था।
Sir modernisation ka bhai to sochna hai kyuki aane waali war future wars modern hai technological hai 😊
Sir what a wonderful initiative sir request krta hu hatwa digiye agniveer scheme
See what is happening in NEET and UPSC NET where money plays a major role to attain 25 % cutoffs.
Agniveer is already under MOD, NCC can be tapped as lauchpad of agniveers to sipoy, its functional & save the resources & time of forces
Col sahib is giving very wrong figure of civilians in Defence, the number is very very less
Check IDSA number. He is right.
Bahut badhiya podcast.
Facts/Data can be easily picked from history and across global which was brilliantly picked Yogendra sir.
Hum Bhakt hain
Deshbhakt not BJP bhakt
Fortunely/unfortunately BJP was most near to deshbhakt line.
BJP trying to be like Congress/CPI... has corrupted it's ideological line.
Mp government expenses 14400 cr rupees on ladli behen yojna which greater than expenses on pension of army personnel
What a hypocrisy this is ?
Ladies ko dene ke liye paise hai pr army jo ki saviour hai hamare unko ke liye paise nhi hai
Not very convincing argument on the age factor but the salary part is something govt should review