Wow. My gosh, this answered ALL my questions about the Pod. I’ve learned enough over the past years to “get” what you’re saying about each of the factors you presented. But I had a lot of questions about the various use cases of the Pod itself and its integration into a collaborative work flow. Now I get it, exactly. You’re da man! Subscribed.
Great breakdown of what this does and doesn't do. Also, that was a really well done quick slice through the potentially confusing issues that come with 10gbe networking.
Glad it was helpful! I try to not get too into the weeds, but I myself had to go down the rabbit hole of things like affordable small 10 gig switches so hopefully this provides some good insight for others wanting to do the same.
Your videos get better and better Chadwick. I tried the cloud version and it is really fun. I just need a team. Are there any special needs or procedures for dropbox use between editors? Does every editor need a special or paid dropbox account? How does "autosync" work in real life? Are Google drive and Dropbox sync not really connected to the DR cloud process and the box automates the steps? Thanks for all you do.
Hi Kevin! You are too kind, but I love hearing from you. Great to hear you've been giving the version 18 beta a try. I think the main thing about "dropbox procedures" is making sure whoever is doing a final export, gets a hold of the camera originals at some point. They have made it pretty straightforward with options to choose the sync direction. Regarding the drive and dropbox sync, I think I understand what you're asking. Basically the computer doesn't need to have those apps on them or running. The Cloud pod does all the login and syncing. Hope this helps and you have a great day!
I was an IT managed services provider for most of the last 25 years before my right hemisphere took over. I need to look at this and see if it is something that will add value to my existing network. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching - you can probably teach me a lot! One thing I forgot to mention is the use case for filming directly to a hard drive - like with a blackmagic camera and then editing it with others right away. Let me know what you think.
@@CreativeVideoTips Indeed re: SSD recording! I have a 6K pro and I record via the usb 3.x port to a portable NVMe drive enclosure (about the size of a disposable vape). I can take the NVMe out of the enclosure and plug it directly into the PC via a PCIe expansion card... or use the USB cable. Fast and faster! I basically created a de facto pod using my network and a business continuity device that stores backups locally and in the cloud. BMD's device looks to be something I'd add down the road once the weather breaks here in San Antonio and we start doing location shoots again.
Awesome video Chadwick! It contains all the information I needed, I still can't believe that they came up with such an easy and affordable solution. I've been looking at buying a NAS for a while now, mostly for the server aspect, but the up-front cost and complexity is a bit too much for our small team. This cloud Pod seems to be the perfect solution. We can instantly have a 8TB server with very little complexity and easy to bring around when we are shooting events on multiple days that require same-day editing. So pumped about this all thing! Again thank you for your video, it's always very well put together, we have a lot to learn from you ahah
Hey I love your channel - and I have a ton to learn from you too! I think you hit the nail on the head about this having little complexity. I appreciate that about the choices blackmagic made for this unit. It won't solve all the worlds problems, but there's not an easier way to get started to share files and work together.
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Nice! Love the suggestion. It might be a bit till I can make that video, in the middle of a move right now but basically it’s just plug and play. Create a folder system template that works for you. Also check out my blackmagic cloud collaboration video to see how syncing files can work over Dropbox. Google drive too.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks Chadwick for the reply. Hope the moves goes well. Just a heads up, I have both Mac and PC versions of Cloud Store Setup (Firmware 1.0.3) and the PC experience is pretty bad. Can't connect via network (only USB) and the File Explorer experience is terrible - slow to load and sometimes crashes.
For a two person team on one physical location each, would we need one pod each? If we alter who has master media? Also, worth getting the mini pod with storage or not? A pod + 2x4TB SSD is almost same as the 8tb pod
Love your videos buddy! Quick question, I've just set this up and purchased the Unifi Flex for 10GB. I am using a Sandisk G40 SSD with over 2500 mbps speeds on a Mac M1 Ultra Studio (which has a 10GBps capable Ethernet port) and yet, I am getting a slow speed of about 300mbps read/write speed. Would love to know where I am going wrong here? Any other gear I need to try and maximise my SSD speed? Thank you!
I'm looking to hire a remote editor. Does that mean that I buy one of these for myself, syncing to Dropbox for my editor to access, or how does this workflow work?
Hey thanks for making this! It's very informative. I'm trying to figure out the best solution for my needs. I also do a lot of photo editing. Do you think I could use this to access my photo library while on the go? I also use Google Drive but I don't want to upgrade that further than I need to if I can do it through a NAS instead. :P
Thanks mate, great video. The lack of proper USB-C, or even better, Thunderbolt, is a killer. You’re really limited on capacity and of course performance. I have an investment in a TB3 NVMe RAID with massive bandwidth, and using this would cut that down dramatically, from 18,000 mbps to 5,000 mbps - assuming the USB-C gen 1 actually sustains that (and it won’t). I need to explore the proxy app more; you did say something that is NOT handled if you’re doing proxies in resolve itself, and that’s handling (syncing) of the non-video files. Do you know if the proxy app does that? As it currently stands I have to manually move anything that Resolve doesn’t make a proxy of into the Dropbox that my remote editor uses. I agree with your assessment that they missed the mark on a few things here that would have made it much better. But I suppose they are leaving room for the big CloudStores. Thanks again!
Hi Joseph, thanks for the thoughtful comment. Yes this would drastically cut your speeds down, so I don't think the pod is a great idea for anything outside of these small nvme usb drives. But for that, it's pretty slick. I should have been more clear about the non-video files. I think this is a gem that makes the cloud stores and pods (which will likely all work the same) regarding syncing - is that the pod will push everything in a folder, with the exception of the big camera originals if you check the box for proxies only. This is ideal, because you can point the sync folder to a root project level folder on both ends, keep your original big files on your local SSD, and the blackmagic device is smart enough to send over everything except for the big honkin orignal video files. So you can edit with all the extra assets on the other end. You just get to skip the step of uploading and downloading the big files. Without this device, you would manually need to manage the location of the proxy files and make sure to not include your originals in a synced folder.
@@CreativeVideoTips Yeah, that is the advantage. So I need the big one. I mean… I DON'T NEED IT!!! haha Of course if BMD can make the Proxy app work that way, then problem solved.
Hey I've been curious about one of these vs a NAS especially if I already have a NAS. I don't know if it's worth another video or not, but what would be reasons for cloud pod vs an already owned Synology NAS? I'm wondering if it's better for syncing files because the cloud sync app on the Synology NAS can't use USB as a source for syncing unless I have the computer sync while mounted. From the same network, no syncing necessary of course. Are there also settings where it can generate proxies upon syncing? I guess the ultimate question I'm asking is would this be good to have if I already have a NAS.
So does this thing rely on a cloud storage plan to use? I figured I could just use this thing in place of the blackmagic cloud storage space subscription
Great video and explanations, also on the new collab features in Resolve 18. By any chance, are you planning to review the Cloud Store Mini as well? Information and/or reviews are nowhere to be found. Would love to see some real world usage and hopefully additional sync services will be implemented in the future. Thanks again!
Thanks Sam, I had originally planned to review it, but the unit I received had some issues so I was unable to properly test it. I will keep this in mind if I can get a hold of another one though. It should be pretty blazing fast and quiet.
Great video, thank you. Is it possible to use the device for the internal network (without internet). Lets say 2 people in the same room. In that case do you still have to pay the 5 dollar per month?
Thanks for watching! Yes it certainly is. You will share the footage through the same device and you can run a project with the network style database (the new middle one). Formerly called a postgresQL database. You need to use one computer as the project server and I talk through how this can be setup in this video here - ruclips.net/video/2jSxQfLOR2s/видео.html
My editing setup is in the basement and my router is in the attic and I don't have any wires connecting the two area of the house. Can I get some advice on how to setup the cloud pod if possible, I am absolutely stuck. Thanks in advance.
Great video thanks Chadwick! One question: at 6:55 you mention using the BMD disk speed app to measure speed. When I try that I get an error saying that the disk cannot be writtent to. How did you get the app to bypass the cloud pod restrictions?
Thanks Bradley, correct I'm able to use the BMD disk speed app. I just hit the gear icon above start and point it to the network volume on the cloud pod. There must be some other permissions issue with the network you're on or the drive formatting. Ideally it should work fine. Sorry.
Thanks Morgan, I think it depends how many of these boxes they sell if they'll make a new version of it. If they do, that will be a likely upgrade in version 2 imho.
I wondered about the USB gen, thanks for the clarification. I assume this would work for connecting a Qnap device also. My Qnap has USBC for external devices. I think I will wait for the next iteration and just use my direct Qnap connection for now since I have no collaboration.
Hi Mark, I'm not so sure you could use your Qnap with the cloud pod. My guess is your Qnap allows you to plugin a hard drive and see that through the qnap server. Instead the cloud pod acts like your Qnap does, but without any internal storage. You plug an external drive into the cloud pod. However if you can mount your Qnap like an attached disk and not a server volume then I suppose that could work.
Thanks for watching Jeremy - Yes, it is part of the installer folder in your applications - called "blackmagic cloud store". They opted to just put all the info for all their server devices in one manual, kind of like their pocket cameras have one manual. Hope this helps. I can't wait for google drive support.
I still just can't wrap my brain around this for some reason. I don't understand what hardware a remote editor would need. Like, if I wanted to hire a remote editor across the country, do I first need to ship them an SSD with the proxies pre-loaded onto it and a Blackmagic Cloud Pod?
what is your actual highest speed getting out of the connected SSDs? I am wondering if a 2.5GB Network would be just fine. Or can you really reach the limit of that 5GBE? If it is only 350MBs against 250MBs it is not woth the upgrade to 10GBE for me ;-P
You got it! Yep the octava filmmaker kit with they hyper capsule on it. It might be a tad sibilant for my voice, but glad you like it. I've been having fun trying different mics out this summer.
Hey that is a cool device, I've not seen before until you mentioned it. It looks like it connects just like any other direct attached storage (DAS) so it should work fine.
The usb-c 3.2 has some other quirks inside which can make problems usb 3.1 or 3.0 has this not. The cloud pod basically entry to the bigger world cloud devices from black magic. But hear is also question what future revision of the software will bring since Black magic is not a traditional NAS or SAN provider, but there is a lot potential in this marked. Also for my is big question the HDMI port if it will stay to burn continuously the black magic GUI in your monitor or it will bring you in future some additional controllers e.g. from TV Remote.
Great points Tobias, regarding the hdmi gui - this would possibly burn into a display depending on the kind of display used, so I wouldn't keep it open and running 24/7. There is no ability to make changes from this screen, but I like the idea of giving some functionality to it - a tv remote would be cool!
Thank you for that! Watched both your videos on project colab in Davinci. My question is this: What if your editor already has the proxy files & footage, is it not possible in Davinci to only share the project file (updated in real time on the cloud) but each editor decides where the footage lives on their computer? You can do this in Premiere but in Davinci it seems like you need to have the files, or the proxies at least, onto the Pod or the Cloud (with paid storage -2gb free, 500gb $15/mth).
Hi yes. In 18.6 there is a checkbox to not send any footage with blackmagic cloud storage. It’s in the project settings at the bottom. Relink with the chain link icon on the edit page and it should path map your different local footage locations from then on. The challenge is always adding new media and the sync.
Thanks for the video, super helpful! At 3:37 you mention that the exports will still use the original footage so long as the originals are attached to your computer. Does this mean that a remote editor, working off your system that you have setup to sync "Only Proxies" via Dropbox will not have the ability to render out the full quality thing? Or would it render on the local machine using the original files instead of on their remote machine?
Hi Beau. It will only use footage locally connected. So if it’s just proxies on your local drive it will use those, but if you push originals over the web to the other computer it will use those. It just can’t pull only during export though.
You can ask for whoever has the original footage to render locally the timeline, given you both are using the same project inside a cloud database. If the setup is done well, you can create the render job in the queue and they just press Render.
In most professional workflows, the editor doesn't need the original footage at all. That is called offline editing. After the editing is done, everthing should be handled by the finishing artists, from conforming to online finishing.
I'm not a big networking guy so sorry if this is a dumb question. What does this do that plugging an ssd into my 3rd(?) gen thunderbolt port on my laptop can't do? I can set Resolve to auto clone (per your instructions on a prior video...thank you, that has been quite helpful) to a folder and sync that folder to Dropbox or Drive. Presumably this can be done with the proxy generator as well. I don't *think* this is required to use the cloud collab feature.
Not a dumb question at all, this is a question I kept asking as soon as it was announced. The 2 things this does that your ssd by itself can't do are: 1 - provide a local network storage for multiple people in the same network to word from that SSD (without sharing it from a computer) 2 - sync only proxy files to cloud service, without needing to parse them out or extract them from the default location next to the big originals, saving cloud storage space and time
this cloud pod looks great, but how is it different from for example a "SILEX TECHNOLOGY DS-700AC USB 3.0 Device Server"?, except from the monitor out option?
Wow Rick! I had never scene this device server you mentioned before. I bet the cloud pod was modeled after this! Without having used the silex box my assumption is you basically gain the blackmagic software and firmware which not only has the monitor out option, which is kind of an odd novelty - I'd rather this work over an IP address than an HDMI port, but it's software ability to sync only proxies to dropbox when created with the proxy generator app. It's just less manual placing and locating files.
okay so i can connect the pod to a secured network (at work) and copy files to the pod but then how can i share them remotely ? i wouldn't be able to access them from home if i can't tap into the work server right? so that's where dropbox and google drive come in? the files can be copied to the cloud pod but at the end of the day still have to be uploaded to google drive or drop box in order to access. Am I understanding this correctly? if that's the case can it be setup to automaically upload to google drive/drop box anything that's copied to the pod? thanks
Yes that is a correct understanding. This box will upload to dropbox or google drive. I use google drive. Once its plugged in and has internet it is always watching a sync folder you specify to upload when files are put on it. One of the best advantages to do this over the google drive only app is that it can push only proxies to your cloud service and also include the non video assets.
Can you us the Blackmagic Cloud Pod wirelessly too? Lke it's connected to the network via Ethernet, but then laptops or decides can wirelessly/remotely connect to that network and also have access to the same files?
Why does black magic cloud mess up the files? Once the collaborater have relinked his files some of mine need to be relinked. Just relinked yesterday and today i need to relink again? What is up with this? Im sure you should not have to have an shared online storage? I do have a qnap server, but I did not set up this for this project.
I suspect your comment of being willing to pay a "little" more for faster USB C is exactly why they implemented the gen1 standard. There would be a significant price increase to employ 10gb USB C. Sure, it may only be $5 for the USB C controller chip. But the significant cost would be adding a load balance processor and the firmware associated. Without load balancing, one drive could completely saturate the 10G NIC. Then one could debate whether it would've been better to have a single Gen2 or dual Gen1 ports. Dual ports likely increases the market for the product significantly. And the higher speed file transfers can be accomplished by connecting the drive to a workstation eliminating the need for high speed on the cloud pod. Overall, I can't fault them in that design choice. The big miss for me is not having RAID 0 and/or 1 capability built-in. That alone makes this more of a hobbyist solution or a stop-gap solution for a new business. Enjoy your videos Chadwick!
That's a great insight Matt! I actually hadn't considered the idea of the rest of the components to balance the throughput of that single 10ge nic. I wonder if a future firmware upgrade could give the ability to create a raid out of the jbod disks down the road? I could see a great use case for this system for quick turn around live conference production aside from the smaller indie remote content creator case which I think it was built for.
Great question Sergey. There is not overlap there so yes you would still pay $5 a month. $5 a month pays to store the project files. This device helps transfer video files across dropbox and google drive or in the same network.
🧐 Questions: Would this work for our NAS DiskStation DS1821+? If so, would just the 10G ethernet port work or do we need to use one of the 4 USB-C ports on the NAS? Second question, needing a computer to create proxies, would it be best to use a networked computer in the Lab or could we use a computer located in one of our remote offices? Reason for asking is we don't have any computers at the lab where the NAS resides because of risk of theft. We all use our laptops to do collaborations while in the Lab.
Great questions Jack - Regarding the 1821 - I haven't used that before, but I don't think so. The NAS would need to be connected with the USB port, but my understanding on most of those systems is that the USB is to mount data on it, and not send data out of it. I can't say for sure though. But basically the cloud pod needs to see a drive as if it is a Direct attached storage disk, not a NAS to do the Cloud syncing. The proxy generating computer can be anywhere as long as it's paired with a cloud pod or cloud store. The catch here is that you'll want original footage loaded into a project, before adding the proxy footage to the project. I'm hoping there is a workaround to this order needing be this way in a future update though.
@@CreativeVideoTips So this means dumping our expensive 16TB NAS and purchasing their Cloud Store machine? Uugh! The museum isn't going to be happy with us since they just invested in the NAS five months ago.
@@CaptainJack63 I would not consider this a replacement for a NAS. The BM box offers no redundancy, no checksuming, no tools to make backups, no user controls, no snapshots. I would expect you to pair this with a Nas. BM tool is for WIP, Nas for long term retention
@@jollyoldchris9897 yeah but I don’t need more storage, I have enough lol, just want to link them into the black magic cloud for davinci. Don’t want to sacrifice speed though
I'm curious does the unit have an option to raid the two drives? If so then one could potentially set it up as either Raid0 or Raid10 along with all the pros and cons of each, but then one would have close to the full transfer speeds.
I like the way you think Bill. Unfortunately, no you can't. Each port will remain independent like jbod. However could use a usb hardware raid and feed it into a single slot for more capacity - speeds will always be capped down under 5gbps though.
@@CreativeVideoTips Hmmm..I have another thought as to why they might have used USB3 Gen1. Are the ports on separate independent USB interfaces or on a single shared USB interface? If they are separate interfaces then both drives could be accessed remotely at each ports maximum speed simultaneously with out any risk of bandwidth bottle-necking each other, where as if they had been USB3 Gen2 then one would have risked being throttled whenever the other drive was accessed. Of course if they are a single shared interface then they would risk throttling at a much lower speed.
@@CreativeVideoTips in a related thought to my last post, if they are on independent interfaces then one might be able to put certain types of data on each drive independently. Like one drive could be dedicated to sound, music and images and the other drive dedicate to videos. Given the way Resolve works and how the cloud pod/stores seems to work I would think that isn't the most ideal workflow; however, an alternative, and rather rough idea is to alternate projects between the drives. So while one group of people is editing & grading on drive A, a second group of people are gathering media for the next production on Drive B without ever interfering with each other. Then swap drives. and repeat.
Im new to Davinci, used it twice recently. I have a Synology DS1821+ on my network with an expansion slot for 10Gb QSFP+ upgrade, and my network switch has 10Gb QSFP+. Could I do something similar to this Black Magic product using the equipment I already have? Have you done a video yet showing us how to use a NAS for editing efficiently? Edit: I have UniFi gear and can get 10Gb all the way to my editing machine. I’m currently doing everything locally on my 5950X / RTX 3090 gaming PC. I generate proxies and am constantly deleting cache folder.
The thing i desperately need to know is, if someone opens the project for the first time but is connected to the local network drive already, does Davinci make you relink the files or are the links retained. If they remain attatched this means saving hundreds, if not thousands of hours every year for a small team working together locally. Yet I cannot find an example working locally anywhere, only remote working.....
Biggest question - do both editors need to have the cloud pod? If my editor already has the footage, does the box allow for the collaboration functionality?
@@GuidoGautsch never did. Seems like it would make things easier though. All the cloudpod does is keep the synched files up to date. But it's not like when you upload the files to your cloud they just show up in the your shared project. You have to constantly link and re-link on both sides. At least that's how its been since sharing with my editor who doesn't own one but just syncs with Dropbox
Well if it doesn't have power it then it wouldn't be streaming but ya that depends on what device/chip truthfully, what I'm more interested in tho is what other updates bmd will bring to these devices 😋😋
Good overview - you definitely hit all the pro's and cons. I got it to colaborate remotely with my grandson in colorado and later with some people in New York. Now the 10GBE can present a unique problem if you remain with a 1 gbe network and do not upgrade $$$ to 10GBE immediately. You did not see it because you used a MacBook. I used the Mac Studio Max with a 10GBE output. It kept connecting and disconnecting to the Cloud Pod. It also did the same with the ATEM Mini Pro ISO ??? I switched things and cables - no relief. Finally, I found a post online with the Studio. Seems in Settings - network and equipment setting it is on Automatic. You have to disconnect the ethernet from the Studio - change the setting to manual setup and then 1000Mbs and use all the settings that come up. Then everything works smoothly - seems the Studio wants to switch automatically network speeds and that screws things up. So setting the speed manual cures that.
So cool Chris! Hey I'm in Colorado :) That is a great tip about removing the automatic setup under the hardware, network for the nic. I'm going to pocket this tip, because I'm sure I'll be fixing this on several machines later this year. I really appreciate it!
I love backups, but not sure how you are currently working. If you're using this for collaboration, ideally it should be a central database (postgres or blackmagic cloud). And if that's the case, what I do is a manual project export nightly that is dated since collaborative projects don't do backups. Hope this helps.
It’s just Dropbox or Google drive. Otherwise it’s only shareable inside your local LAN. After using this off and on I have mixed feelings about it, but there’s nothing quite like it for the price.
@@CreativeVideoTips If I were to buy a Synology NAS do I still need to pay for a Dropbox or Google drive account or does that work without a online data service like Dropbox or Google drive?
My question is... if my editor works in another country, what does he need in order to connect to my cloud pod and collaborate on the same project with me? Just Google Drive / Dropbox access or another cloud pod?
Does anyone know if it’s possible to do collaborative editing on Resolve 18 if both parties have their own copies of the original media? I do occasional projects with another person, but not enough yet to justify buying all this extra gear.
Great question. But nope. They only work as individual disks. However you could likely use any other usb raid for a larger capacity over a single port.
As a single user I didn't see a reason to invest in this, but with the Google Drive (I work with a school that has an unlimited account) being worked in maybe I should take a second look... can davinci render files from a Nas? so the proxy files would be stored on the Blackmagic cloud and the original files on a local Nas or dropbox or google drive or do they need to be local?
Hi Joe, as a single user it's a toss up. That's great you have unlimited google storage! I'm excited about this update coming because I'd like to eventually let go of my paid dropbox account and stick with google drive. I'm not fully understanding the question though, but hopefully I can help clarify. Yes resolve and blackmagic proxy generator can create render and create proxies on original footage stored on a nas. "Blackmagic Cloud" is there new cloud based project library/database that only stores the project files, no media files. The "Cloud Pod, or Cloud Store" operate as their own nas that has a special feature to link directly to dropbox/google and push proxy only files back and forth. You will always be editing from a local copy of the footage, either originals or proxies - this device is just a means to help simplify the uploading and downloading of those files. Let me know if this helps answer your questions :)
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for the reply, I am always struggling with local storage as most of my recordings are 1-4 hours, so I am dumping them on a local nas just to free up the ssds for the next recording. It would be nice to have the rendering be able to use the files on a nas even if it was slower. I probably will just double up on my ssds and get another 10Tb of drives and I already plan on getting the 4tb option on the MacBook Pro.
I'm confused about something. You say the T7 has a faster than 5gb/s speed, but their advertised read/write is 1,050/1,000 MB/s. How do you get more bandwidth out of them?
Using a gen 3.2 usb cable into a gen 3.2 port will maximize the speed. I can realistically get 700-800 mBps connected straight in which is about 7 or 8 tenths of the advertised rate. PCs get a faster response from the drive.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for the reply, but I think I'm still a bit unclear about something. In the video you say these drives can easily output 5GB/s, but how can that be possible if their read/write speed is only 700-800 MB/s? The video shows your read/write disk speed test around 300 MB/s, but then your Cloud Pod speed around 3 GB/s. Are these numbers not related?
You absolutely can use a 1G switch. You will be obviously capped to 1G speeds, but for 2-3 people working with proxies that will not be an issue at all.
Buying a 10gbe Thunderbolt adapter is overkill because of the USB3.0 nerf. Get a 2.5 gbe adapter, so much cheaper and you can still get 300MB/s bandwidth which will easily handle the proxy (and more).
Hi, it's because video files need to be downloaded to a machine locally to edited smoothly. Dropbox is just one means to transfer the files. Google Drive will soon be supported as well. The cloudpod is just a way to connect any hard drive to the cloud servers and also share it in a local, same office environment. In the case of being in the same network, no Dropbox is needed and only 1 copy of the footage is used.
@@CreativeVideoTips I understand that, but can they download the full size files and/or proxies to their local machine directly from my cloudpod or does it still need the Dropbox/GDrive middleman?
@@zrgardne Ohhh ok I gotcha now. the connections on the BM box. I always pipe out through my MacBook TB cable to my production hub which has every connection known to mankind. i just plug a single TB cable in and rock. but I would think most laptops need dongles of some sort. my workstation is a PC with enough ports for forty 747's.. but I cant take it to the office everyday. Back to the story. im bummed about BM cloud and the USB speeds. that was a bad move on their part. what a waste
soo many does not understand how over price this is. you can literally buy a cheap NAS, and sett up a file share system and a script for monitor folder and transcode the procy generator and a Dropbox sync to your drobox account. this is an over gloriffied Cloud sync device. infact if you have a High speed upload and download of around 100GB you can even have either work with proxies remotely from you NAS one you set it up correctly.
Great review. However, there is no "cloud" on the Pod. It's a glorified NAS with project syncing and a nice management interface. Nice way to share an SSD on a network.
Thanks Dennis, you are correct in your assessment. But there is a the ability for it to detect a proxy file and only sync that instead of a camera original, to me this is one of it's best "cloud" strengths.
@@CreativeVideoTips the ability to sync with proxy files that have been copied onto a local hard-drive is not a “cloud” feature, but a software feature. Even FCPX has a proxy only feature. The only cloud feature is the ability to share and sync a project file. But the proxies need to be copied onto a local drive or NAS.
As you describe it it’s total useless. I personally run 40 egb network. My cloud is Nextcloud and I run UnRaid and Proxmox servers. And Blackmagic ignores since long time that they are not EU laws compatible. I will do the hell to use something like this for customers.
@@CreativeVideoTips Blackmagic is in a consortium and they promote such like soar bear… for me a reason to leave Davinci Resolve as soon I find a good alternative. Just in comparison. Old enterprise server with double CPU including 40eGP network I did pay 50.-$ and for 100.-$ extra 400 GB of Ram this server is able up to 1500 GB of Ram. 40eGB Network included. So why the hell is should invest in an expensive Cloud like Google or Dropbox. I have 480 TB of harddisk space. You guys promote how to burn money…
Wow. My gosh, this answered ALL my questions about the Pod. I’ve learned enough over the past years to “get” what you’re saying about each of the factors you presented. But I had a lot of questions about the various use cases of the Pod itself and its integration into a collaborative work flow. Now I get it, exactly. You’re da man! Subscribed.
Great breakdown of what this does and doesn't do. Also, that was a really well done quick slice through the potentially confusing issues that come with 10gbe networking.
Thanks Thomas, I really appreciate you.
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Super useful review! Thank you!
Thanks so much for the inns and outs and the hardware detail…Most utubers don’t get that detailed with the equipment and networking standards
Glad it was helpful! I try to not get too into the weeds, but I myself had to go down the rabbit hole of things like affordable small 10 gig switches so hopefully this provides some good insight for others wanting to do the same.
Fantastic and thorough - as always 🤟.
Thanks so much for deep diving for us man - it's very much so appreciated 🙏🏻
Anytime Gary. Likewise back atcha with your kind feedback.
@@CreativeVideoTips 👊✌
Your videos get better and better Chadwick. I tried the cloud version and it is really fun. I just need a team.
Are there any special needs or procedures for dropbox use between editors? Does every editor need a special or paid dropbox account? How does "autosync" work in real life? Are Google drive and Dropbox sync not really connected to the DR cloud process and the box automates the steps?
Thanks for all you do.
Hi Kevin! You are too kind, but I love hearing from you. Great to hear you've been giving the version 18 beta a try. I think the main thing about "dropbox procedures" is making sure whoever is doing a final export, gets a hold of the camera originals at some point. They have made it pretty straightforward with options to choose the sync direction.
Regarding the drive and dropbox sync, I think I understand what you're asking. Basically the computer doesn't need to have those apps on them or running. The Cloud pod does all the login and syncing. Hope this helps and you have a great day!
I was an IT managed services provider for most of the last 25 years before my right hemisphere took over. I need to look at this and see if it is something that will add value to my existing network. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching - you can probably teach me a lot! One thing I forgot to mention is the use case for filming directly to a hard drive - like with a blackmagic camera and then editing it with others right away. Let me know what you think.
@@CreativeVideoTips Indeed re: SSD recording! I have a 6K pro and I record via the usb 3.x port to a portable NVMe drive enclosure (about the size of a disposable vape). I can take the NVMe out of the enclosure and plug it directly into the PC via a PCIe expansion card... or use the USB cable. Fast and faster!
I basically created a de facto pod using my network and a business continuity device that stores backups locally and in the cloud. BMD's device looks to be something I'd add down the road once the weather breaks here in San Antonio and we start doing location shoots again.
Awesome video Chadwick! It contains all the information I needed, I still can't believe that they came up with such an easy and affordable solution. I've been looking at buying a NAS for a while now, mostly for the server aspect, but the up-front cost and complexity is a bit too much for our small team. This cloud Pod seems to be the perfect solution. We can instantly have a 8TB server with very little complexity and easy to bring around when we are shooting events on multiple days that require same-day editing. So pumped about this all thing!
Again thank you for your video, it's always very well put together, we have a lot to learn from you ahah
Hey I love your channel - and I have a ton to learn from you too! I think you hit the nail on the head about this having little complexity. I appreciate that about the choices blackmagic made for this unit. It won't solve all the worlds problems, but there's not an easier way to get started to share files and work together.
Thank you for the in-depth review
My pleasure! This was a fun one.
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00:00 Blackmagic Cloud Pod Review
00:20 What is a Cloud Pod?
00:57 - Local Collaboration
02:36 - DaVinci Resolve Cloud Remote Collaboration
04:16 - Premiere Pro
05:10 - Final Cut Pro
05:37 - Silence
06:07 - USB "C"
07:37 - Extra Gear
09:52 - HDMI Only Monitoring
If you want silent don’t get the dock with 10GbE because it has a fan inside.
Great job! Thank you so much!!!
Can I use my QNAP NAS on Blackmagic Cloud?
I’ve just bought the Cloud Pod and 10G switch. Would love a video on your workflow and how to setup the Cloud Pod.
Nice! Love the suggestion. It might be a bit till I can make that video, in the middle of a move right now but basically it’s just plug and play. Create a folder system template that works for you. Also check out my blackmagic cloud collaboration video to see how syncing files can work over Dropbox. Google drive too.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks Chadwick for the reply. Hope the moves goes well. Just a heads up, I have both Mac and PC versions of Cloud Store Setup (Firmware 1.0.3) and the PC experience is pretty bad. Can't connect via network (only USB) and the File Explorer experience is terrible - slow to load and sometimes crashes.
Great review! 👏🏽 Do you think this works with the BMD Multidock 10G? Could you potentially hook up two of them and get access to eight disks? 😮
For a two person team on one physical location each, would we need one pod each? If we alter who has master media? Also, worth getting the mini pod with storage or not? A pod + 2x4TB SSD is almost same as the 8tb pod
Phenomenal overview, thank you
Thanks for watching! I really appreciate you Mat!
Love your videos buddy! Quick question, I've just set this up and purchased the Unifi Flex for 10GB. I am using a Sandisk G40 SSD with over 2500 mbps speeds on a Mac M1 Ultra Studio (which has a 10GBps capable Ethernet port) and yet, I am getting a slow speed of about 300mbps read/write speed. Would love to know where I am going wrong here? Any other gear I need to try and maximise my SSD speed? Thank you!
I'm looking to hire a remote editor. Does that mean that I buy one of these for myself, syncing to Dropbox for my editor to access, or how does this workflow work?
hi! Is it necessary to purchase the cloud pod so that we can use the davinci cloud feature?
Hey thanks for making this! It's very informative. I'm trying to figure out the best solution for my needs. I also do a lot of photo editing. Do you think I could use this to access my photo library while on the go? I also use Google Drive but I don't want to upgrade that further than I need to if I can do it through a NAS instead. :P
Legend thank you! Ordering mine now :)
Hope you enjoy it! It has really simplified the whole networking thing for a small team for me.
Awesome, great video!
Thanks for the visit
Thanks mate, great video. The lack of proper USB-C, or even better, Thunderbolt, is a killer. You’re really limited on capacity and of course performance. I have an investment in a TB3 NVMe RAID with massive bandwidth, and using this would cut that down dramatically, from 18,000 mbps to 5,000 mbps - assuming the USB-C gen 1 actually sustains that (and it won’t). I need to explore the proxy app more; you did say something that is NOT handled if you’re doing proxies in resolve itself, and that’s handling (syncing) of the non-video files. Do you know if the proxy app does that? As it currently stands I have to manually move anything that Resolve doesn’t make a proxy of into the Dropbox that my remote editor uses. I agree with your assessment that they missed the mark on a few things here that would have made it much better. But I suppose they are leaving room for the big CloudStores. Thanks again!
Hi Joseph, thanks for the thoughtful comment. Yes this would drastically cut your speeds down, so I don't think the pod is a great idea for anything outside of these small nvme usb drives. But for that, it's pretty slick. I should have been more clear about the non-video files. I think this is a gem that makes the cloud stores and pods (which will likely all work the same) regarding syncing - is that the pod will push everything in a folder, with the exception of the big camera originals if you check the box for proxies only.
This is ideal, because you can point the sync folder to a root project level folder on both ends, keep your original big files on your local SSD, and the blackmagic device is smart enough to send over everything except for the big honkin orignal video files. So you can edit with all the extra assets on the other end. You just get to skip the step of uploading and downloading the big files.
Without this device, you would manually need to manage the location of the proxy files and make sure to not include your originals in a synced folder.
@@CreativeVideoTips Yeah, that is the advantage. So I need the big one. I mean… I DON'T NEED IT!!! haha Of course if BMD can make the Proxy app work that way, then problem solved.
Hey I've been curious about one of these vs a NAS especially if I already have a NAS. I don't know if it's worth another video or not, but what would be reasons for cloud pod vs an already owned Synology NAS? I'm wondering if it's better for syncing files because the cloud sync app on the Synology NAS can't use USB as a source for syncing unless I have the computer sync while mounted. From the same network, no syncing necessary of course. Are there also settings where it can generate proxies upon syncing? I guess the ultimate question I'm asking is would this be good to have if I already have a NAS.
So does this thing rely on a cloud storage plan to use?
I figured I could just use this thing in place of the blackmagic cloud storage space subscription
Very impressive! Very informative! Thanks!!!!!
Thanks for watching! It’s a pretty cool new tool.
@@CreativeVideoTips You are the best! I watch all your videos always! Have a LOVELY day!
Great video and explanations, also on the new collab features in Resolve 18. By any chance, are you planning to review the Cloud Store Mini as well? Information and/or reviews are nowhere to be found. Would love to see some real world usage and hopefully additional sync services will be implemented in the future. Thanks again!
Thanks Sam, I had originally planned to review it, but the unit I received had some issues so I was unable to properly test it. I will keep this in mind if I can get a hold of another one though. It should be pretty blazing fast and quiet.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks a lot, would be much appreciated. Noise is always one of my main concerns, so hopefully it will be quiet!
i agree with you 100% -- still no web portal?
Great video, thank you. Is it possible to use the device for the internal network (without internet). Lets say 2 people in the same room. In that case do you still have to pay the 5 dollar per month?
Thanks for watching! Yes it certainly is. You will share the footage through the same device and you can run a project with the network style database (the new middle one). Formerly called a postgresQL database. You need to use one computer as the project server and I talk through how this can be setup in this video here - ruclips.net/video/2jSxQfLOR2s/видео.html
Can I record straight from ursas and bmpcc4k to the pod?
My editing setup is in the basement and my router is in the attic and I don't have any wires connecting the two area of the house. Can I get some advice on how to setup the cloud pod if possible, I am absolutely stuck.
Thanks in advance.
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Great review, thanks a lot!
Also: Ubiquiti ftw 😉
Heck yeah, thanks to you for watching. Awesome to have another Ubiquiti fan I can bond with on here! :)
Great video thanks Chadwick! One question: at 6:55 you mention using the BMD disk speed app to measure speed. When I try that I get an error saying that the disk cannot be writtent to. How did you get the app to bypass the cloud pod restrictions?
Thanks Bradley, correct I'm able to use the BMD disk speed app. I just hit the gear icon above start and point it to the network volume on the cloud pod. There must be some other permissions issue with the network you're on or the drive formatting. Ideally it should work fine. Sorry.
But can you store final cut libraries on blackmagic cloud connected disks ?
Great video - do you think they'll upgrade the USB-C ports to gen2?
Thanks Morgan, I think it depends how many of these boxes they sell if they'll make a new version of it. If they do, that will be a likely upgrade in version 2 imho.
I wondered about the USB gen, thanks for the clarification. I assume this would work for connecting a Qnap device also. My Qnap has USBC for external devices. I think I will wait for the next iteration and just use my direct Qnap connection for now since I have no collaboration.
Hi Mark, I'm not so sure you could use your Qnap with the cloud pod. My guess is your Qnap allows you to plugin a hard drive and see that through the qnap server. Instead the cloud pod acts like your Qnap does, but without any internal storage. You plug an external drive into the cloud pod.
However if you can mount your Qnap like an attached disk and not a server volume then I suppose that could work.
thank you so much. is there a manual for this device telling you how to set it up? can't find anyone anywhere.
Thanks for watching Jeremy - Yes, it is part of the installer folder in your applications - called "blackmagic cloud store". They opted to just put all the info for all their server devices in one manual, kind of like their pocket cameras have one manual. Hope this helps. I can't wait for google drive support.
I still just can't wrap my brain around this for some reason. I don't understand what hardware a remote editor would need. Like, if I wanted to hire a remote editor across the country, do I first need to ship them an SSD with the proxies pre-loaded onto it and a Blackmagic Cloud Pod?
what is your actual highest speed getting out of the connected SSDs?
I am wondering if a 2.5GB Network would be just fine. Or can you really reach the limit of that 5GBE? If it is only 350MBs against 250MBs it is not woth the upgrade to 10GBE for me ;-P
Is that mic an oktava mk-012? It sounds super clear!
You got it! Yep the octava filmmaker kit with they hyper capsule on it. It might be a tad sibilant for my voice, but glad you like it. I've been having fun trying different mics out this summer.
What is the protection case used at 6:26?
Could this work with something like the pro-blade system that’s an ssd hub? :) great video!!
Hey that is a cool device, I've not seen before until you mentioned it. It looks like it connects just like any other direct attached storage (DAS) so it should work fine.
The usb-c 3.2 has some other quirks inside which can make problems usb 3.1 or 3.0 has this not.
The cloud pod basically entry to the bigger world cloud devices from black magic. But hear is also question what future revision of the software will bring since Black magic is not a traditional NAS or SAN provider, but there is a lot potential in this marked.
Also for my is big question the HDMI port if it will stay to burn continuously the black magic GUI in your monitor or it will bring you in future some additional controllers e.g. from TV Remote.
Great points Tobias, regarding the hdmi gui - this would possibly burn into a display depending on the kind of display used, so I wouldn't keep it open and running 24/7. There is no ability to make changes from this screen, but I like the idea of giving some functionality to it - a tv remote would be cool!
Thank you for that! Watched both your videos on project colab in Davinci. My question is this:
What if your editor already has the proxy files & footage, is it not possible in Davinci to only share the project file (updated in real time on the cloud) but each editor decides where the footage lives on their computer? You can do this in Premiere but in Davinci it seems like you need to have the files, or the proxies at least, onto the Pod or the Cloud (with paid storage -2gb free, 500gb $15/mth).
Hi yes. In 18.6 there is a checkbox to not send any footage with blackmagic cloud storage. It’s in the project settings at the bottom.
Relink with the chain link icon on the edit page and it should path map your different local footage locations from then on.
The challenge is always adding new media and the sync.
Oh sweet! thank you kind sir
Works with Atem Mini Extreme ISO?
Nice video, and thanks for buying it instead of me :P . Did you tryed with Windows? (And if the drive is in NTFS, does it work?)
Thanks, I didn't try it with Windows, but the manual does state that NTFS will not work. Only HFS+ and ExFat.
Thanks for the video, super helpful! At 3:37 you mention that the exports will still use the original footage so long as the originals are attached to your computer. Does this mean that a remote editor, working off your system that you have setup to sync "Only Proxies" via Dropbox will not have the ability to render out the full quality thing? Or would it render on the local machine using the original files instead of on their remote machine?
Hi Beau. It will only use footage locally connected. So if it’s just proxies on your local drive it will use those, but if you push originals over the web to the other computer it will use those. It just can’t pull only during export though.
You can ask for whoever has the original footage to render locally the timeline, given you both are using the same project inside a cloud database. If the setup is done well, you can create the render job in the queue and they just press Render.
In most professional workflows, the editor doesn't need the original footage at all. That is called offline editing. After the editing is done, everthing should be handled by the finishing artists, from conforming to online finishing.
I'm not a big networking guy so sorry if this is a dumb question. What does this do that plugging an ssd into my 3rd(?) gen thunderbolt port on my laptop can't do? I can set Resolve to auto clone (per your instructions on a prior video...thank you, that has been quite helpful) to a folder and sync that folder to Dropbox or Drive. Presumably this can be done with the proxy generator as well. I don't *think* this is required to use the cloud collab feature.
Not a dumb question at all, this is a question I kept asking as soon as it was announced. The 2 things this does that your ssd by itself can't do are:
1 - provide a local network storage for multiple people in the same network to word from that SSD (without sharing it from a computer)
2 - sync only proxy files to cloud service, without needing to parse them out or extract them from the default location next to the big originals, saving cloud storage space and time
this cloud pod looks great, but how is it different from for example a "SILEX TECHNOLOGY DS-700AC USB 3.0 Device Server"?, except from the monitor out option?
Wow Rick! I had never scene this device server you mentioned before. I bet the cloud pod was modeled after this! Without having used the silex box my assumption is you basically gain the blackmagic software and firmware which not only has the monitor out option, which is kind of an odd novelty - I'd rather this work over an IP address than an HDMI port, but it's software ability to sync only proxies to dropbox when created with the proxy generator app. It's just less manual placing and locating files.
okay so i can connect the pod to a secured network (at work) and copy files to the pod but then how can i share them remotely ? i wouldn't be able to access them from home if i can't tap into the work server right? so that's where dropbox and google drive come in? the files can be copied to the cloud pod but at the end of the day still have to be uploaded to google drive or drop box in order to access. Am I understanding this correctly? if that's the case can it be setup to automaically upload to google drive/drop box anything that's copied to the pod? thanks
Yes that is a correct understanding. This box will upload to dropbox or google drive. I use google drive. Once its plugged in and has internet it is always watching a sync folder you specify to upload when files are put on it. One of the best advantages to do this over the google drive only app is that it can push only proxies to your cloud service and also include the non video assets.
my cloud pod broke after a power outage and I still have not received it back.
Can you us the Blackmagic Cloud Pod wirelessly too? Lke it's connected to the network via Ethernet, but then laptops or decides can wirelessly/remotely connect to that network and also have access to the same files?
Yes but it wouldn’t be very good performance because of the latency issues with most Wi-Fi.
@@CreativeVideoTips ah right - so only good for basic or small file transfers and not editing simultaneously?
Is that a DVX100b in the background?
Why does black magic cloud mess up the files? Once the collaborater have relinked his files some of mine need to be relinked. Just relinked yesterday and today i need to relink again? What is up with this? Im sure you should not have to have an shared online storage? I do have a qnap server, but I did not set up this for this project.
I was so gratified to see that you had GLaDOS on your system. That's the name of my personal computer right now. Most excellent.
Heck yeah! One of the best games ever created. Cheers.
I suspect your comment of being willing to pay a "little" more for faster USB C is exactly why they implemented the gen1 standard. There would be a significant price increase to employ 10gb USB C. Sure, it may only be $5 for the USB C controller chip. But the significant cost would be adding a load balance processor and the firmware associated. Without load balancing, one drive could completely saturate the 10G NIC.
Then one could debate whether it would've been better to have a single Gen2 or dual Gen1 ports. Dual ports likely increases the market for the product significantly. And the higher speed file transfers can be accomplished by connecting the drive to a workstation eliminating the need for high speed on the cloud pod.
Overall, I can't fault them in that design choice. The big miss for me is not having RAID 0 and/or 1 capability built-in. That alone makes this more of a hobbyist solution or a stop-gap solution for a new business.
Enjoy your videos Chadwick!
That's a great insight Matt! I actually hadn't considered the idea of the rest of the components to balance the throughput of that single 10ge nic. I wonder if a future firmware upgrade could give the ability to create a raid out of the jbod disks down the road? I could see a great use case for this system for quick turn around live conference production aside from the smaller indie remote content creator case which I think it was built for.
DO I still have to pay $5/User a month if I have this device?
Great question Sergey. There is not overlap there so yes you would still pay $5 a month. $5 a month pays to store the project files. This device helps transfer video files across dropbox and google drive or in the same network.
🧐 Questions: Would this work for our NAS DiskStation DS1821+? If so, would just the 10G ethernet port work or do we need to use one of the 4 USB-C ports on the NAS?
Second question, needing a computer to create proxies, would it be best to use a networked computer in the Lab or could we use a computer located in one of our remote offices? Reason for asking is we don't have any computers at the lab where the NAS resides because of risk of theft. We all use our laptops to do collaborations while in the Lab.
Great questions Jack - Regarding the 1821 - I haven't used that before, but I don't think so. The NAS would need to be connected with the USB port, but my understanding on most of those systems is that the USB is to mount data on it, and not send data out of it. I can't say for sure though. But basically the cloud pod needs to see a drive as if it is a Direct attached storage disk, not a NAS to do the Cloud syncing.
The proxy generating computer can be anywhere as long as it's paired with a cloud pod or cloud store. The catch here is that you'll want original footage loaded into a project, before adding the proxy footage to the project. I'm hoping there is a workaround to this order needing be this way in a future update though.
@@CreativeVideoTips So this means dumping our expensive 16TB NAS and purchasing their Cloud Store machine? Uugh! The museum isn't going to be happy with us since they just invested in the NAS five months ago.
@@CaptainJack63 I would not consider this a replacement for a NAS.
The BM box offers no redundancy, no checksuming, no tools to make backups, no user controls, no snapshots.
I would expect you to pair this with a Nas. BM tool is for WIP, Nas for long term retention
Can you access the media from a mobile phone, Android or iOS
You could through the Dropbox or google drive apps
A Pro version of the Cloud Pod would be great. I run everything Thunderbolt 3/4 and 10-40GBs Ethernet, so something like that would be great!
The more advanced models have link aggregation across multiple 10Gbe ports.
@@jollyoldchris9897 yeah but I don’t need more storage, I have enough lol, just want to link them into the black magic cloud for davinci. Don’t want to sacrifice speed though
I think you're on to something jean, an easy start would be usb 3.2 gen 2 ports :)
@@CreativeVideoTips they did this with the ATEM mini's, so hopefully they do it with this!
I'm curious does the unit have an option to raid the two drives? If so then one could potentially set it up as either Raid0 or Raid10 along with all the pros and cons of each, but then one would have close to the full transfer speeds.
I like the way you think Bill. Unfortunately, no you can't. Each port will remain independent like jbod. However could use a usb hardware raid and feed it into a single slot for more capacity - speeds will always be capped down under 5gbps though.
@@CreativeVideoTips Hmmm..I have another thought as to why they might have used USB3 Gen1. Are the ports on separate independent USB interfaces or on a single shared USB interface? If they are separate interfaces then both drives could be accessed remotely at each ports maximum speed simultaneously with out any risk of bandwidth bottle-necking each other, where as if they had been USB3 Gen2 then one would have risked being throttled whenever the other drive was accessed. Of course if they are a single shared interface then they would risk throttling at a much lower speed.
@@CreativeVideoTips in a related thought to my last post, if they are on independent interfaces then one might be able to put certain types of data on each drive independently. Like one drive could be dedicated to sound, music and images and the other drive dedicate to videos. Given the way Resolve works and how the cloud pod/stores seems to work I would think that isn't the most ideal workflow; however, an alternative, and rather rough idea is to alternate projects between the drives. So while one group of people is editing & grading on drive A, a second group of people are gathering media for the next production on Drive B without ever interfering with each other. Then swap drives. and repeat.
Im new to Davinci, used it twice recently. I have a Synology DS1821+ on my network with an expansion slot for 10Gb QSFP+ upgrade, and my network switch has 10Gb QSFP+. Could I do something similar to this Black Magic product using the equipment I already have? Have you done a video yet showing us how to use a NAS for editing efficiently?
Edit: I have UniFi gear and can get 10Gb all the way to my editing machine. I’m currently doing everything locally on my 5950X / RTX 3090 gaming PC. I generate proxies and am constantly deleting cache folder.
The reviews on B&H say that Blackmagic Pods don't (and won't) support raid arrays being plugged in.
The thing i desperately need to know is, if someone opens the project for the first time but is connected to the local network drive already, does Davinci make you relink the files or are the links retained. If they remain attatched this means saving hundreds, if not thousands of hours every year for a small team working together locally. Yet I cannot find an example working locally anywhere, only remote working.....
hey, i just got this together with a sabrent dock with internal NVMe SSD, but the cloud pod doesn't see the drive. any ideas?
It could be the format. Is the drive apfs by chance? If it’s in a Mac it needs to be Mac OS extended. (HFS+)
@@CreativeVideoTips no, i checked that. It's ExFAT.
Biggest question - do both editors need to have the cloud pod? If my editor already has the footage, does the box allow for the collaboration functionality?
Did you ever find the answer to this?
@@GuidoGautsch never did. Seems like it would make things easier though. All the cloudpod does is keep the synched files up to date. But it's not like when you upload the files to your cloud they just show up in the your shared project. You have to constantly link and re-link on both sides. At least that's how its been since sharing with my editor who doesn't own one but just syncs with Dropbox
Regarding remote monitoring maby possible with an atem stream bridge 🤔🤔
That would be an interesting solution. I’d have to always be streaming out the monitor though. I like the way you think!
Well if it doesn't have power it then it wouldn't be streaming but ya that depends on what device/chip truthfully, what I'm more interested in tho is what other updates bmd will bring to these devices 😋😋
I already use a QNAP NAS which almost saturates 10gbe. Does it make sense to route this into one of the BM Cloud solutions?
The only benefit you would gain is the proxy only syncing. I probably wouldn’t if you don’t need to push files to another location.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for the fast + concise reply, and the video of course.
Good overview - you definitely hit all the pro's and cons. I got it to colaborate remotely with my grandson in colorado and later with some people in New York.
Now the 10GBE can present a unique problem if you remain with a 1 gbe network and do not upgrade $$$ to 10GBE immediately. You did not see it because you used a MacBook. I used the Mac Studio Max with a 10GBE output. It kept connecting and disconnecting to the Cloud Pod. It also did the same with the ATEM Mini Pro ISO ??? I switched things and cables - no relief. Finally, I found a post online with the Studio. Seems in Settings - network and equipment setting it is on Automatic. You have to disconnect the ethernet from the Studio - change the setting to manual setup and then 1000Mbs and use all the settings that come up. Then everything works smoothly - seems the Studio wants to switch automatically network speeds and that screws things up. So setting the speed manual cures that.
So cool Chris! Hey I'm in Colorado :) That is a great tip about removing the automatic setup under the hardware, network for the nic. I'm going to pocket this tip, because I'm sure I'll be fixing this on several machines later this year. I really appreciate it!
What do you think about storing automatic project backups of every local workstation onto one ssd with the pod? Will it work or go into conflict?
I love backups, but not sure how you are currently working. If you're using this for collaboration, ideally it should be a central database (postgres or blackmagic cloud). And if that's the case, what I do is a manual project export nightly that is dated since collaborative projects don't do backups. Hope this helps.
@@CreativeVideoTips ooh, is there a way to automate theses nightly backups? Or do you msmuodo this at the end of each day?
Do you realy need a drop box account to share the data in other places or is it also possible to just use the cloud pod?
It’s just Dropbox or Google drive. Otherwise it’s only shareable inside your local LAN. After using this off and on I have mixed feelings about it, but there’s nothing quite like it for the price.
@@CreativeVideoTips If I were to buy a Synology NAS do I still need to pay for a Dropbox or Google drive account or does that work without a online data service like Dropbox or Google drive?
My question is... if my editor works in another country, what does he need in order to connect to my cloud pod and collaborate on the same project with me? Just Google Drive / Dropbox access or another cloud pod?
Just the google drive or Dropbox access is all. The cloud pods benefits are for local collaboration and auto syncing of proxies.
Does anyone know if it’s possible to do collaborative editing on Resolve 18 if both parties have their own copies of the original media? I do occasional projects with another person, but not enough yet to justify buying all this extra gear.
This is what I also cant figure out. Curious if its possible
Can you raid the 2 drives?
Great question. But nope. They only work as individual disks. However you could likely use any other usb raid for a larger capacity over a single port.
As a single user I didn't see a reason to invest in this, but with the Google Drive (I work with a school that has an unlimited account) being worked in maybe I should take a second look... can davinci render files from a Nas? so the proxy files would be stored on the Blackmagic cloud and the original files on a local Nas or dropbox or google drive or do they need to be local?
Hi Joe, as a single user it's a toss up. That's great you have unlimited google storage! I'm excited about this update coming because I'd like to eventually let go of my paid dropbox account and stick with google drive.
I'm not fully understanding the question though, but hopefully I can help clarify. Yes resolve and blackmagic proxy generator can create render and create proxies on original footage stored on a nas. "Blackmagic Cloud" is there new cloud based project library/database that only stores the project files, no media files. The "Cloud Pod, or Cloud Store" operate as their own nas that has a special feature to link directly to dropbox/google and push proxy only files back and forth.
You will always be editing from a local copy of the footage, either originals or proxies - this device is just a means to help simplify the uploading and downloading of those files.
Let me know if this helps answer your questions :)
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for the reply, I am always struggling with local storage as most of my recordings are 1-4 hours, so I am dumping them on a local nas just to free up the ssds for the next recording. It would be nice to have the rendering be able to use the files on a nas even if it was slower. I probably will just double up on my ssds and get another 10Tb of drives and I already plan on getting the 4tb option on the MacBook Pro.
I'm confused about something. You say the T7 has a faster than 5gb/s speed, but their advertised read/write is 1,050/1,000 MB/s. How do you get more bandwidth out of them?
Using a gen 3.2 usb cable into a gen 3.2 port will maximize the speed.
I can realistically get 700-800 mBps connected straight in which is about 7 or 8 tenths of the advertised rate. PCs get a faster response from the drive.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for the reply, but I think I'm still a bit unclear about something. In the video you say these drives can easily output 5GB/s, but how can that be possible if their read/write speed is only 700-800 MB/s? The video shows your read/write disk speed test around 300 MB/s, but then your Cloud Pod speed around 3 GB/s. Are these numbers not related?
Can you not use a generic Gigabit Unmanaged Ethernet Network Switch?
You absolutely can use a 1G switch. You will be obviously capped to 1G speeds, but for 2-3 people working with proxies that will not be an issue at all.
@@CreativeVideoTips Thanks for getting back Chadwick. I'm going to give it a shot!
Buying a 10gbe Thunderbolt adapter is overkill because of the USB3.0 nerf. Get a 2.5 gbe adapter, so much cheaper and you can still get 300MB/s bandwidth which will easily handle the proxy (and more).
Ugh, why does it need Dropbox? Can I not let someone I'm working with online connect directly to the cloudpod?
Hi, it's because video files need to be downloaded to a machine locally to edited smoothly. Dropbox is just one means to transfer the files. Google Drive will soon be supported as well. The cloudpod is just a way to connect any hard drive to the cloud servers and also share it in a local, same office environment. In the case of being in the same network, no Dropbox is needed and only 1 copy of the footage is used.
@@CreativeVideoTips I understand that, but can they download the full size files and/or proxies to their local machine directly from my cloudpod or does it still need the Dropbox/GDrive middleman?
Am I the only one that feels lost listening to the overload of information? It's frustrating but wow this guy knows his stuff!
Mac, living that dongle life. 🤣
the struggle is real, although I am liking having an SD card slot again!
not getting the joke. does this device need a dongle on MacBooks?
@@flipnap2112 unless you have a 10gb Ethernet port on your laptop
You could use 1gb Ethernet. But that seems a poor choice
@@zrgardne Ohhh ok I gotcha now. the connections on the BM box. I always pipe out through my MacBook TB cable to my production hub which has every connection known to mankind. i just plug a single TB cable in and rock. but I would think most laptops need dongles of some sort. my workstation is a PC with enough ports for forty 747's.. but I cant take it to the office everyday. Back to the story. im bummed about BM cloud and the USB speeds. that was a bad move on their part. what a waste
soo many does not understand how over price this is.
you can literally buy a cheap NAS, and sett up a file share system and a script for monitor folder and transcode the procy generator and a Dropbox sync to your drobox account.
this is an over gloriffied Cloud sync device.
infact if you have a High speed upload and download of around 100GB you can even have either work with proxies remotely from you NAS one you set it up correctly.
Just need BM to allow Cloud in Europe :(
Great review. However, there is no "cloud" on the Pod. It's a glorified NAS with project syncing and a nice management interface. Nice way to share an SSD on a network.
Thanks Dennis, you are correct in your assessment. But there is a the ability for it to detect a proxy file and only sync that instead of a camera original, to me this is one of it's best "cloud" strengths.
@@CreativeVideoTips the ability to sync with proxy files that have been copied onto a local hard-drive is not a “cloud” feature, but a software feature. Even FCPX has a proxy only feature. The only cloud feature is the ability to share and sync a project file. But the proxies need to be copied onto a local drive or NAS.
If each USB C port gives 5 gig and there’s 2 … that’s 10 gig?
I would love to hack this thing just for the software and somehow use SATA to make a cheap ass editing NAS that would just work
NO TIME TO EXPLAIN! UNMOUNT THE GLADOS!
As you describe it it’s total useless. I personally run 40 egb network. My cloud is Nextcloud and I run UnRaid and Proxmox servers. And Blackmagic ignores since long time that they are not EU laws compatible. I will do the hell to use something like this for customers.
it's not for everyone, but was a start to selling network storage tools
@@CreativeVideoTips Blackmagic is in a consortium and they promote such like soar bear… for me a reason to leave Davinci Resolve as soon I find a good alternative. Just in comparison. Old enterprise server with double CPU including 40eGP network I did pay 50.-$ and for 100.-$ extra 400 GB of Ram this server is able up to 1500 GB of Ram. 40eGB Network included. So why the hell is should invest in an expensive Cloud like Google or Dropbox. I have 480 TB of harddisk space. You guys promote how to burn money…