I fell in love with 185s about 40 years ago. I parachuted out of one all summer. It was amazing how we could cram 6 student parachutists with their giant T-35 surplus military parachutes, a jumpmaster, and a pilot into one. Middle of the day, just east of Denver. The density altitude would have been so bad, we'd only put the minimum amount of avgas in it. I swear that 185 landed dead stick more than with power. Halcyon days...
@@skywagonuniversity5023like you, I learned to jump from a 185, ONLY the 185 we used was a Turbo. It was like an express elevator when compared to other aircraft. As far as dead stick, the pilot we had used to routinely go dead stick by choice. The pilot had, at that time just on 6,000 hours on Cessna tail drag gears and about 4,000 on tricycle geared aircraft, he was brilliant.
Excelente video 📸 As a 55 year old ✈️ man who just started his studies in aviation with the end goal being flying in corporate aviation. I'd love to hear about practical first hand knowledge and experience from those in likewise situations. Thank you very much ✈️✈️✈️✈️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Mark, you seemed very familiar with the situations faced by 185 pilots on floats! Do you fly floats? If so, I would love to see some float/float plane videos on the channel!
Reminds me a few decades back when a pair of motorcyclists pulled into a burger joint, the Harley rider back pedaled his bike into a spot and the Indian rider put his sidecar bike into reverse and backed in. Quite memorable. This is an interesting application. I have an aircraft design needing variable pitch for twins to compensate for no vertical tail plane. Common powerplant, fixed differential, counter rotating, and digital control. People will tell me that's crazy or impossible, but I have heard that before and proven otherwise. You just have to have massive experience and do all you can to debunk your own project before you can accept it. Most don't play that game. It's do all you can to prove it, for their game plan. Not good.
Cool video. It would be interesting to hear which Cessna would make the best glider tow plane, and the STC/modifications needed, and which tow hooks are better to install. Just an idea for a future video.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 there are several Cessnas that are used as tow planes. Most commonly is the 182, but 180s, as well as 170s (with the 180hp conversion), and even a 150 (with 150hp conversion) have been used. I’m thinking the AOPA sweepstakes 170b with the 195hp conversion and STOL kit would make a great tow plane.
you didn’t mention it that it could be used on a landing role ., only in a float pane configuration/. I wonder how it would affect a potential ground loops situation.
Neat, thanks. Now please do another recording (not "filming") describing the other updates including the vortex generators, the down visibility window, etc.
One thing to watch for with the reversing prop is that it kills alot of airflow over the tail. Don't want to use almost any reverse if landing with a decent crosswind.
It was a fantastic touch honestly. I'm in the process of developing a Skywagon for Microsoft Flight Simulator... I may borrow that idea as an Easter egg of sorts.
When hot I do this. Full throttle and full mixture rich. Run boost pump until you see a stable fuel flow for a few seconds only. Fuel pump off. Mixture to full lean (off) leave throttle at full. Crank engine and when it starts, very quickly push in the mixture and pull out the throttle to idle before it revs up. If it tries to quit give it a little burst of high boost.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Happy New Year Mark. Thanks..your method backs up what I've finally discovered through much trial and error. The only difference, I run the pumps for 30 sec at ICO to help cool the lines. (I tried the full throttle-rich mixture but that just flooded the engine). Then I follow your method, full thottle-ICO. Can get exciting if I'm slow to bring back throttle or not quick on the mixture when the engine starts. The full throttle, ICO method works!
Yes, all turbo-prop engines have fully reversible pitch propellors (beta pitch) used for after landing braking, but I'm not sure if all turboprop planes can use the reversing feature for ground operations such as backing up. You'd need to read the POH manual for each plane, but I'd think most do.
It was built in 1965 but Cessna kept it until 1973 updating it each year as they developed their models. It eventually became the first 185F made, Landing lights in the nose, cuffed wing etc etc. 1973 to 1985 are 185F's.
A friend of mine has beta in his husky. He has it on floats for exactly the same reason this guy describes. Not that unusual in many cases now. My IA wants me to add an MT prop to my archer. Of course he does, it’s my money not his 😂😂
Wow! That's cool! I didn't think piston engines/props could do that! Thanks Mark!
Those Cessna tail draggers are just downright beautiful ❤
They are!
Brilliant!
A 3 point turn!!
More useful on floats.
I fell in love with 185s about 40 years ago. I parachuted out of one all summer. It was amazing how we could cram 6 student parachutists with their giant T-35 surplus military parachutes, a jumpmaster, and a pilot into one. Middle of the day, just east of Denver. The density altitude would have been so bad, we'd only put the minimum amount of avgas in it. I swear that 185 landed dead stick more than with power. Halcyon days...
Awesome story!!
Yes, awesome. Thanks.
@@skywagonuniversity5023like you, I learned to jump from a 185, ONLY the 185 we used was a Turbo. It was like an express elevator when compared to other aircraft. As far as dead stick, the pilot we had used to routinely go dead stick by choice. The pilot had, at that time just on 6,000 hours on Cessna tail drag gears and about 4,000 on tricycle geared aircraft, he was brilliant.
They are an amazing plane. Biggest mistake Cessna ever made was discontinuing them
ohh how wonderful to be alive in the age of marvelous machines like this one
Wow that prop is so cool! What a nice machine!! Really nice panel/paint/interior too
It really is!
N98JB I first figured that was your buddy's aircraft, Juan Browne. Great video.
Maybe It should be.
I've been wanting to see a practical demo of one of these reversing MTs! Thank you!
Me too. It was very user friendly.
Golf Clap - no phone interruption for 2 videos in a row! Another informative video thank you.
Unsubscribed!!!
@@FlyingNDriving why?
We had just finished a shot and my phone rang.
Lol, that's funny! 🤣
Yes, the phone ringing during your productions is as classic as the superb intro to your channel! 😊
An absolute classic video - thanks. You lucky dog.
Love the beeps when it was reversing in the first shot 😂
Thank you! It amused me too! - Don the Camera Guy.
And me, a lot.
Beautiful demo 👍
Thanks for the visit
So awesome thanks Mark!
Glad you liked it!
That is a seriously cool feature, especially on a piston prop.
Excelente video 📸 As a 55 year old ✈️ man who just started his studies in aviation with the end goal being flying in corporate aviation. I'd love to hear about practical first hand knowledge and experience from those in likewise situations. Thank you very much ✈️✈️✈️✈️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
We're editing a podcast (visual on RUclips, sound on Spotify) that will be posted shortly. This is exactly the topic.
Nice plane. Thanks Mark.
This plane used to live in northern Idaho on floats
Big tail dragger! So that's the"No Time to Die" plane? Cool!. I spotted the Dolphin that JB shot out of the sky in Spectre for sale for $1M.
Yes, It might be.
Pretty sure i seen this plane om backcountry 182, nice bird great video mark thanks.
Mark, you seemed very familiar with the situations faced by 185 pilots on floats!
Do you fly floats? If so, I would love to see some float/float plane videos on the channel!
I have flown floats but not a lot. Next time I'm in Alaska with my Ex-Boss and Mentor, I'll do some float videos.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Can't wait!
Reminds me a few decades back when a pair of motorcyclists pulled into a burger joint, the Harley rider back pedaled his bike into a spot and the Indian rider put his sidecar bike into reverse and backed in. Quite memorable.
This is an interesting application. I have an aircraft design needing variable pitch for twins to compensate for no vertical tail plane. Common powerplant, fixed differential, counter rotating, and digital control. People will tell me that's crazy or impossible, but I have heard that before and proven otherwise. You just have to have massive experience and do all you can to debunk your own project before you can accept it. Most don't play that game. It's do all you can to prove it, for their game plan. Not good.
Funny. Excellent.
You got some noise from the alternator in the intercom. Other than that awesome plane, thanks for showing off.
The coolest!
Cool video. It would be interesting to hear which Cessna would make the best glider tow plane, and the STC/modifications needed, and which tow hooks are better to install. Just an idea for a future video.
I'd have to do a lot of research. 180's are good. Pawnees are great. Even Supercubs.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 there are several Cessnas that are used as tow planes. Most commonly is the 182, but 180s, as well as 170s (with the 180hp conversion), and even a 150 (with 150hp conversion) have been used. I’m thinking the AOPA sweepstakes 170b with the 195hp conversion and STOL kit would make a great tow plane.
Mark, I do believe you were twerking with that airplane. Well done!
backwards and forwards.
No way the back up noises haha haha. That would be some flex on the ramp
The beeping may have been editorial license. Ha ha
A very nice bird indeed. After a day's flying mines a Vodka Martini shaken but not stirred.
Exactly.
Thats really cool
Did you hear the beeps? We added those.
Love it...
Happy New Year
Very Cool
you didn’t mention it that it could be used on a landing role ., only in a float pane configuration/. I wonder how it would affect a potential ground loops situation.
I did say that below 40 KTs and at idle it can be reversed and revved while landing. Suddenly there is no air over the tail so you better be straight.
I want one!
If I could buy a tail dragger it would be a 185. Great planes.
Would have liked to have seen a short landing from the cockpit using the tech.
Well, it's $399,000 and I do not fly them unless I'm insured for them. Bit of a risk for a video.
@@skywagonuniversity5023Maybe the person who owns it can give us a short field demo then. See if u can twist their arm..
That may shift into reverse easier than an MG or Triumph... 😂 (got a kick out of the backup beeping)
It actually did.
Neat, thanks. Now please do another recording (not "filming") describing the other updates including the vortex generators, the down visibility window, etc.
Id did not do that on this plane because in the other 150 videos I go into all those mods and options in great depth. This was about the prop.
One thing to watch for with the reversing prop is that it kills alot of airflow over the tail. Don't want to use almost any reverse if landing with a decent crosswind.
That is a very good point.
Now I just need to hit the lotto.
I'd love to own that plane
Me too
QUESTION: Is there a limit how long you can stay in reverse (beta?) thrust so as not to overheat the engine?
You'd have to be in beta a while to get hot but I can see it.
6:10 lol, your editor added the reverse sound 😆 (sorry ed- forgot your name)
Yes, it was Don, he added the beeping which I thought was very amusing.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Don! that's right. What makes it funny is that it's so understated.
It was a fantastic touch honestly. I'm in the process of developing a Skywagon for Microsoft Flight Simulator... I may borrow that idea as an Easter egg of sorts.
That plane has to be worth a small fortune. New paint, new interior, great avionics, new engine and prop. I’m guessing 350-400k
You are exact. It is just under $400,000.
A little out of my price range
It would almost be like having a 'License to Kill' Parking Permit!!! LOL!!!
Talk to someone who owns a hanger home at O61 for the podcast!
I've been taking your classes. When is the final exam? 😊
This week
Soon.
Should have the words " No Time To Stop " on the engine cowling
Yes it should.
How does the system work? Some sort of solenoid on the governor arm with low pitch stop on prop set up to allow negative blade angle?
Yes exactly, It just allows it to go beyond flat.
Mark, What's your normal hot start procedure?
When hot I do this. Full throttle and full mixture rich. Run boost pump until you see a stable fuel flow for a few seconds only. Fuel pump off. Mixture to full lean (off) leave throttle at full. Crank engine and when it starts, very quickly push in the mixture and pull out the throttle to idle before it revs up. If it tries to quit give it a little burst of high boost.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Happy New Year Mark.
Thanks..your method backs up what I've finally discovered through much trial and error. The only difference, I run the pumps for 30 sec at ICO to help cool the lines. (I tried the full throttle-rich mixture but that just flooded the engine). Then I follow your method, full thottle-ICO. Can get exciting if I'm slow to bring back throttle or not quick on the mixture when the engine starts.
The full throttle, ICO method works!
"Once you back, no going back!" OK. Someone had to say it. These plastic props are way cheaper than the all-metal ones, right?
Seems like it would tend to spawn ground loops?
Not really if you are slow and straight and TW locked. You do not HAVE to use it. It is best used on floats.
It would be fun with a backup alarm
Did you hear the beeps we added?
Just how much does having a 3 blade prop + the gearing for reverse prop add to the nose? Dream plane there.
Lighter than a stock C58 metal two blade.
Mark this doesn’t sound like a 185 but very interesting if on floats and what will be the retail price
It's $399,000. It has a 90 hour IO-550 engine in it.
Perhaps videos on aging aircraft and what to look for to keep them flying. The GA fleet is getting old
Good idea.
Where did he get the work done on this plane?
It was done up in Washington.
That’s so cool. Can turboprops like the PC-12 backup too?
Yes, all turbo-prop engines have fully reversible pitch propellors (beta pitch) used for after landing braking, but I'm not sure if all turboprop planes can use the reversing feature for ground operations such as backing up. You'd need to read the POH manual for each plane, but I'd think most do.
Plus you have to be careful about tipping them back on their tails.
I've often wondered why more piston engine planes didn't have beta capabilities.
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Lancair’s should have this so they can land and stop at airports other than ridiculously expensive jet airports.
True.
Why is it 1965/1973?
It was built in 1965 but Cessna kept it until 1973 updating it each year as they developed their models. It eventually became the first 185F made, Landing lights in the nose, cuffed wing etc etc. 1973 to 1985 are 185F's.
Don’t you have to wear Kuiu when operating a fancy, upscale 185?😊
What is Kuiu?
A friend of mine has beta in his husky. He has it on floats for exactly the same reason this guy describes. Not that unusual in many cases now. My IA wants me to add an MT prop to my archer. Of course he does, it’s my money not his 😂😂
It is a great thing to have on floats. Cool on wheels but not so necessary.
Be sweet on floats..
That is where it is best.
Perhaps the title should say "Cessna 185 with a Reversible Pitch Prop".. 😎
Tomato tomato.
@@skywagonuniversity5023A "reverse prop" could be one that rotates counter-clockwise when viewed from behind it..
Above my pay grade
How much?
$399,000. It has a 90 hour IO-550 in it. It's on my website at www.skywagons.com
If only that Wren you showed had a beta prop and floats!
That Wren used to have a reversible pitch prop when it was new in 1963.
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I have to tell you taildraggers not my favorite.
You do have the option to put it on floats..... :^). (sorry, low hanging fruit)
Cool but gimmicky.
Gimmicky on wheels but almost essential on floats.
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Didn't you mean 👍🏼👍🏼👏👊💥🥃?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 👏👌😁⚡😉😃😁🤪🤸🪂🎂🍰🍻🥂✈️💰