It’s mostly just older metal bands that have been around for more than 10 years that still have decent guitar solos in their music. But besides not caring about guitar solos I think that the average person doesn’t even care that much about instruments used in music at all. So many times I show people some music I listen to and they ask “so do they ever sing or do they only just play instruments?” because I guess they just cannot stand to listen to music that lasts for more than 30 seconds before the vocals come in.
To look at this in a more positive light is to say "well, there's a power vacuum where I can start coming up with insanely good solos with just as great songwriting, that might just be the next formula for success" No matter how little people care for solos, people will always like something that sounds new and different, as long as it doesn't bore them. The fact that metal nowadays have become formulaic and oversaturated with the same thing means that there is massive opportunity for innovation to be successful. This is what happened with glam and thrash in the 90s, to an extent nu and alternative in the 2000s, so the time for a new sound is now.
There’s also the intro to a solo. One band I like that does it a lot is Machine Head where they have a build up before shredding begins. Testament does it too with their latest album but I agree. There aren’t any guitar solos that you can hear and know which sing it is. Bust that keyboard! 😆
@@Alpharabius99 I have been a fan of machine head ever since I’ve seen them play with Slayer doing Witching Hour…. I hope I got the name of the song right but it was a really good combination.
I agree with a lot of things you say in the video, and I love the main idea of your channel. I just feel like the 80's is over glorified, and it's easy to do that, we only remember the most relevant bands, but saturation and bands doing the same thing over and over again with no creativity and authenticity is not something exclusive to post 80's era music. It has been like that ever since, in any genre. How many hair metal bands tried to copy Van Halen? How many metal bands tried to copy Iron Maiden? How many hard rock bands tried to copy Led Zeppelin? What we always get is an ocean of bands that are not distinguishing themselves for not being creative, for not bringing something new to the table, while a few other bands are fantastic and offer something authentic - and these are the ones we will remember. Today we have a lot of downtuned chug crap, in the 80's we had a lot of the same Em riffs using the same formula...to each genre and era, there's always a LOT of the same crap.
I agree to a point, but at least the 80s had tons of catchy memorable songs and solos. Now it's like the less catchy it is the more people love it. Boring technical djrnt sweeps with no soul or no solos at all. At least the 80s guys could song, riff and solo. Everything now is just people with no songwriting, melody, or feel sense. Boring robots 🤖
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@@shredaintdead9323 the name of the channel is correct, shred ain't dead, you are right, but it is presented in a different setting. There are so many modern bands doing amazing music, with interesting guitar solos and instrumental sections, but it's like you said, it's not found in the mainstream. I guess, people like us, we need to try to keep spreading it around
While solos certainly aren’t as prolific as they used to be, there are players in all manner of heavy bands that absolutely rip some amazing leads: Wes Hauch, Brandon Ellis, Josh Middleton, the guys in Whitechappel and Inferi…I could go on. It’s nothing like it used to be and in the world of 000100010000001 lead playing is definitely sparse. Maybe our bias a players makes most of us agree with Marty, I do for the most part. That being said if a band is tuned to drop Z# I’m not sure how leads would sound anyway. 😂
Def agree here! Andy Gillion from Mors Principium Est aint no slouch either, and Ghost's latest album has some sweet solos, if not on every song. It's also worth noting that the song should still dictate if it should have a solo, though as guitarists, we should always default that it should have one and then concede if it shouldn't. :)
I will say one band in the 90s out of all of the other bands in the 90s was Pantera Dimebag really changed guitar solos plus I believe Dream theater John P had some really great solos on their first album. But I agree with todays modern music so overrated. Basically I do not ever skip guitar solos ever as I believe a good solo whether it’s a five minute or even a 30 second to make a song sound colossal to this day I mix the 90s and the 80s plus late 70s together and take the next step
Petrucci still has great solos, always had lol Invisible Monster from the last album, the outro of Illumination Theory, The Best of Times, Constant Motion, any solo from the song Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... A few, for example.
Great videos, yes the solos from Jake E Lee, George Lynch, Warren D list goes on and on all had very distinct playing styles and I loved the solos. With the band Europe I fast forward the damn songs and listen to the solos!
I would agree with Marty and although I have enjoyed solos, I prefer songs that are not structured to accommodate shredder solos, period. The best generic solos, for me, are the simpler ones in death metal that make use of Floyd Rose divebombs like Allen West or James Murphy in Obituary. More about chaos than pretty rock chordal harmonies. Emphasis on atmosphere rather than technical play.
I’ll go ahead and be the Mastodon fanboy… Brent does massive, powerful solos on nearly every recent song and they have awesome bridges that lead into them. Savage Lands and Roots Remain are 2 examples.
The same boring chugging. That’s how I felt when bands like korn were coming out with nu-metal. It was either that or the more strange you sound the better. I like how RUclips has changed the playing field but yeah guitar solos need to be more prominent.
I miss the good old 80's solos . I play guitar but seems rhythm and singing is my thing. I have tried for many years and still do try to work on leads but I just don't seem to have that skill. It makes me wonder how back in the 80's young kids were instant professional guitar players . All I can figure is their moms and dads got them started early with all the best gear and guitar lessons.
There' are a ton of bands that have good solos. Besides some bands people have already named, Alter Bridge is another good example along with Crazy Lixx, an 80s hair metal inspired band. And even though they are more "simplistic", Ghost has pretty good solos too. I think the main thing you're really railing against is popular music not having solos which is more the case. But we could rag on "top 40 popular" music all day. Good rock music is few and far between on the FM radio these days or MTV/VH1, you have to really search RUclips, Spotify, or Apple to find those bands. I love both 80s and 90s music and each has their place. But I will say that the style of 80s shred wasn't really sustainable long term because it requires so much technique, knowledge of music theory, particular gear, and other nuances compared to the decade before it, the 70's, and the decade after, the 90's. Where the 80s was the peak of guitar musicianship IMO, the 90s had to strip it back down again to focus on the songwriting aspect that was more accessible to less trained musicians.
I don't know that I completely agree with the statement of modern guitar players sucking. Bands like Volbeat, Five Finger Death Punch and Halestorm instantly come to mind for guitar solos but I'm sure there are more. Yes, gone are the days of Dave and Marty trading back and forth or Dime peeling everyone's head back but I think there are still plenty of bands out there flying the flag. My $.02 anyway.
Really well said, dude! I just want to add that I have found this to be more true in America than other markets. My stuff does far better in Latin America and India where there seems to still be a hunger for guitar playing.
Brandon Ellis is one of the few that's still doing something. And Nirvana's solos are better than the rivers of I don't know something super perfect tight "clean" distortion lead sound.
@@shredaintdead9323 yeh sure, I feel cutting the duration of the song in order to enhance their commercial value has been most detrimental to metal in general. Apart from that, guitar tones also sound very generic and quite compressed. I was recently listening to Sabbath's earlier stuff like Into the Void, Sweet Leaf and War Pigs, I am amazed how full, fresh and raw these songs sound. Nowadays it seems that the computer is playing guitar rather than a human. Hope I made some sense. By the way you earned a subscriber
The solo should be a piece of the song so melodic that you can't get it out of your head but that doesn't happen anymore. Just like the new generation doesn't care about music as much.I think Its because of smartphones and tablets. Don't get me wrong we all need our smartphones but music is gone you don't have to pay for it anymore and that really kills the Bands and people just don't go out to see bands like they used to any thoughts let me know. But as far as the players like you and I we will keep going because it is in our blood.
Orchestration is key for me when it comes to a good solo, if it doesn't feel like it's LEADING (duh lead guitar player etc.) the song in a new or interesting direction and it is written for the song then it loses my interest, personally. Marty Friedman is a perfect example of a master orchestrator.
I think that a lot of this was true.... But I also think that it's been coming back in the last handful of years. And it really is because of the RUclips and Instagram guitarists. For a while there was a lot of "generic" sounding music and playing. But with bands like Animals as Leaders, Dreamtheater making a huge comeback in this decade, Polyphia doing their thing.... The newer wave of modern guitarists are really taking those principles from the 80s and earlier (the phrasing, orchestration, intro outro and middle solos, and much longer songs again) and improving upon them and making those techniques their own. You're absolutely right that shred never died, it just kinda fell into obscurity for a while. But I think the last maybe 5-7 years have been a huge revival. There are a ton of players on RUclips that have millions of followers that do not fall into that "generic modern" musician catagory. Ones that take playing to a new level. Guitar got stagnant for a while. Maybe like 15-25 years (depending on what music you tend to like and listen to most) it really did fall to the wayside. Even METALLICA in the early 2000s ditched guitar solos in an entire album. But it's making a huge comeback. Also, with quarantine during 2020 I feel like a ton of people sat down and learned to play well. Got super bored and started developing their own technique and mastering something new. In the last year a bunch of musicians have been posting incredible music that's creative and beautiful and a cut above what the previous 2 decades of rock and metal had to offer. I believe that Marty is right, and you're right too. But I also believe that enough young musicians feel the same way now and are trying to take the instrument and these genres and reviving them into something modern and interesting.
I agree to a point. They're at least trying to bring back solos again, however plopyhia and animals as leaders are reat musicians but terrible writers. Everything they write sounds exactly the same and pretty soulless. They don't emote or make you feel anything. It's mostly wank fests. But I do agree overall that the last few years thanks to youtube and Instagram guitar Solos are definitely coming back.
@@shredaintdead9323 while I agree that a lot of those bands styles do feel pretty linear (I can't stand dragonforce for this reason) they really do a great job with style and genre bending. Bring theory from jazz, Bossa Nova, classical and other things and bending them into more modern music. While I totally agree that the music is often soulless or lacks feeling, the technical and theory side of things is not only impressive, but inspirational. I strive to take principals of older styles (I came up playing metallica, megadeth, maiden, etc...) and combining them with other things like that. I do, however, hate the over use of sweeping. It's a great technique and is super impressive to see and hear..... But it's over used. I'd prefer to hear techniques like that used to bridge sections together (much like arpeggios have been used for for centuries) rather than doing entire chord progressions through sweep. While that can be cool sometimes when applied properly... It, like many other flashy techniques, are over used and leaned on too hard. Making instrumentals feel more lifeless.
Eh. I can see the points, and I definetely understand people who doesn't like the modern solos. But god I absolutely love me some mindless sweep shred tapping madness. I just loove tecnhical shredding and shit, for me it's a pleasure to listen to. I listen to a metric fuckton of deathcore and melodeath, that kinda stuff, and It never ceases to dissapoint for me.
You said it all.... 80's Rocks..... 90's Sucks..... Guitar Solos are the main part of the song in my view. And new guitars heroes will be born.... Since clones of EVH, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Satriani arrives on Earth! Congrats for the channel and also for the video.... great job man!
I skip most of the time the song to the guitar solo and after the solo the song is over😂 Most people don't listen to instrumental music wich is totally fine. It doesnt matter if it is guitar piano or other intrument. I think that the whole music is very importent for good solos. For exaple synister gates solos are my favourit. They are catchy but still very fast and choatic. The think is that their hole songs are catchy and melodic so that people listen to their music and there for the solos. A solo is just as good and memorbel as the song.
I got one for you and anyone who reads this… Wes Hauch he is the best modern lead player out there, besides from his crushing rhythm work his solos are to die for !
It's not even just the guitar solos, the riffs from a lot of modern rock/metal bands also feel incredibly forgettable compared to what it used to be in the past imo.
Listening to young metal bands in person live, I think it's not the guitar solo in and of itself.. in fact I've seen/heard great ones from players in the aforementioned local bands.. but the timing and what they're playing over is wrong. Dead fucking wrong. They don't change the key, do an inversion, change the tempo, it's too early or too late.. it's a compositional issue seemingly. Don't really know how to fix that but it seems to be a widespread issue in garage and professional bands.
Modern technical death metal has gotten more advanced if anything. Carcass started adding melodic guitar solos in the 90s. Chuck Schuldiner had better sideman who could play melodic solos instead of just beat on the whammy bar later in his career (90s) While technical death metal does not give the solo nearly as much weight as cacophony or even megadeth in rust in peace its technically advanced and some of the guitarists are solid performers as lead players (psycroptic for example though there are many others)
I understand why people like grunge music, it was becoming popular when i was about 10 years old. But, grunge imo, was basically a way of a new generation to pretend they didn’t care, and it was slacker music. Kinda Like when kids say to their parents. I don’t care 😒 and it was a way to be darker and more rebellious.but unfortunately to a vets in degree, it killed 80s music.
Music is a reflex of culture. There is more illiterate people than ever in history. So it's imposible to hear a solo like in Comfortably numb. It's almost impossible in this era to grown a real music talent with so poor listeners.
Bro, Elliott Easton of The Cars was awesome! The Bryan Adams guitarist was awesome. In the 80s CC Deville & Mick Mars were considered to b kinda crummy and they were friggin awesome! Unfortunately the 80s just can't b duplicated. It was the pinnacle of guitar.
What I’ve noticed is that not everyone aside from lead guitarists care too much for solos I mean of course there is the epic solos that everyone likes but it’s just not important and cool to everyone aside from guitarists
When is Marty ever wrong is the real question.? I agree “modern “ guitar solos are not what they should be . I don’t think they can play solos to be honest . Just bc you can down tune to the basement and sweep pick at 300 bpm and binary chug isn’t a good player . Why I play my way and care about the solo and melody
@@shredaintdead9323 exactly!!! Hey guys I just wrote a melodic prog metal riff . It goes PM gallop open string then the 1st fret. That’s pretty much the main riff then here comes the solo it’s the same thing but PM the 1st fret this time Lmfao 🤣. Djent chuggy choo choo Butt chugging more like it
Idc if they can sweep pick at light speed or that they can play someone else’s solo . Durr it’s practice good players can play anything some one else wrote . Talent is being able to create not mimic in my opinion . But what do I know only played guitar and bass for over 25 years and always practice always 😎 If you can’t come up with something shouldn’t even play you ask me your just a copier not a creator
Thanks bud. I will keep it in mind. Just started a new job and moneys tight, but I do need to add sweeps to my bag of tricks. I'll contact when I'm caught up.
Guitar solos? Who listens to music for that? We all know it’s the bass player that keeps the band together and a sick bass riff is where it’s at. Plus only 4 strings so it should be easier for me to learn. I’m switching, do you do bass lessons too??
LMAO you are 1000 percent CORRECT 💯💯!! I couldn't have said it any better!! Nirvana SUCKED! The guitar playing was a train wreck. I played better when I was 10 years old... 90s music sucks.. i turn on a rock radio station and get disgusted . When I try to find a demo on RUclips about something Im thinking of buying all I can find is that DROP TUNE CHUG CHUG GARBAGE TALENTLESS PLAYING IF you could even call it playing?? Keep doing what you're doing guys like me Love it!
Nirvana was great at writing melodies for what it is worth, that’s something that got lost in the closing phase of hair metal. It’s easy to blame them for killing off hair metal but bands like Guns ‘n Roses, Metallica, and Aerosmith were already moving away from the 80’s sounds. Then you have other bands in grunge like Soundgarden and Alice In Chains that had underrated guitarists. Even Korn took a lot of influence from artists like Vai. Hair metal would have died regardless but the Seattle scene got in the right place at the right time even though most of them wanted nothing to do with fame.
@@shredaintdead9323 I think there were a lot of great lead players in the 90 they just weren’t necessarily doing shred but there was a lot of great blues players and rock players. And arguably even in the 80s for a lot of the top 40 music there was little to no guitar solos and a lot of electronic stuff. I guess you don’t have to look very hard in the 90s to find a lot of great players. I think Pearl Jam are phenomenal even the dude from Candlebox is great I can’t say enough about Jerry Cantrell‘s even old Marty boy was laying down some really great stuff in the 90s. Now if we want to talk about the late 90s and going into the 2000s huge new metal wave huge pop punk wave. Lots of Metalcore then the solos basically disappeared even Metallica put out an album that had no solos
@@shredaintdead9323 Well I agree the late 90s just wanted it started but for most of the 90s there was all sorts of good stuff out still and even some of those hair metal bands were still out doing stuff and a lot of the shredders were doing stuff to buy by 9899 forget it
i havent watched this video but i can say i 100% disagree with this. i've listened to a good handful of modern metal (metalcore to be more specific) and well, there is a few bad solos yes but, most of the ones i've heard are all packed with a lot of emotion and feel behind it. and thats the main takeaway here, emotion, feel. without those two key factors, a solo isnt a solo. and a lot of modern metal has that. emotion. something older metal didnt really have (go ahead boomers, u can rave all u want to me on that one idc) anyways yeah, modern metal is good so, dont listen to whichever boomer has to say about it saying modern solos are bad or somethin. and one more thing, just listen to whatever u like.
Haven't watched the video and yet you say you disagree with the boomer here. First off my parents are boomers. Im in my early 30s. Apparently you Gen x noobs think anyone who's older then 25 is a boomer now. Super dumb. Leaving an opinion on a video you didnt even watch even dumber. I'm talking music in general, not exclusively metal. Don't be dumb. Watch a video before writing an essay about how you disagree.
@@shredaintdead9323 I can agree with that. I'm 14 right now and I've been playing guitar for 9 months. I started when I was 13. I can't wait until summer vacation because I'm planning on practicing for as much time as I possibly can. I hope I can be like my hero (Dime) one day.
Yep. Can't stand anything they do. It's all boring and sounds the same. Just cuz you're good at playing doesn't mean you can write anything memorable or catchy. It's all forgettable and no soul.
It’s mostly just older metal bands that have been around for more than 10 years that still have decent guitar solos in their music.
But besides not caring about guitar solos I think that the average person doesn’t even care that much about instruments used in music at all. So many times I show people some music I listen to and they ask “so do they ever sing or do they only just play instruments?” because I guess they just cannot stand to listen to music that lasts for more than 30 seconds before the vocals come in.
Sad but true. People are dumber then ever now when it comes to music.
Music Elitists when different opinion:
to be fair vocal melody is still the most important part of music for most non musicians
To look at this in a more positive light is to say "well, there's a power vacuum where I can start coming up with insanely good solos with just as great songwriting, that might just be the next formula for success"
No matter how little people care for solos, people will always like something that sounds new and different, as long as it doesn't bore them. The fact that metal nowadays have become formulaic and oversaturated with the same thing means that there is massive opportunity for innovation to be successful. This is what happened with glam and thrash in the 90s, to an extent nu and alternative in the 2000s, so the time for a new sound is now.
There’s also the intro to a solo. One band I like that does it a lot is Machine Head where they have a build up before shredding begins. Testament does it too with their latest album but I agree. There aren’t any guitar solos that you can hear and know which sing it is. Bust that keyboard! 😆
Sadly it's true
Testament is og tho. They are from 80s metal era. Testament is underrated
Machine head are 80s guys too (started as vio-lence)
@@donovanrebbechi3334 aetstetics of hate a masterpiece
@@Alpharabius99 I have been a fan of machine head ever since I’ve seen them play with Slayer doing Witching Hour…. I hope I got the name of the song right but it was a really good combination.
For me, Rust in Peace is the guitar solo GOAT with few second place contenders.
Same!
Preach dude, I agree. Subbed for the ride the lightning canvas in the back, looking forward to more videos.
Thanks dude! TONS of content on this channel you'd love I'm sure.
I grew up in the 80’s and the reason I picked up a guitar was Warren, George, and Jake E Lee
You sir are a good man!
I agree with a lot of things you say in the video, and I love the main idea of your channel. I just feel like the 80's is over glorified, and it's easy to do that, we only remember the most relevant bands, but saturation and bands doing the same thing over and over again with no creativity and authenticity is not something exclusive to post 80's era music. It has been like that ever since, in any genre. How many hair metal bands tried to copy Van Halen? How many metal bands tried to copy Iron Maiden? How many hard rock bands tried to copy Led Zeppelin? What we always get is an ocean of bands that are not distinguishing themselves for not being creative, for not bringing something new to the table, while a few other bands are fantastic and offer something authentic - and these are the ones we will remember.
Today we have a lot of downtuned chug crap, in the 80's we had a lot of the same Em riffs using the same formula...to each genre and era, there's always a LOT of the same crap.
I agree to a point, but at least the 80s had tons of catchy memorable songs and solos. Now it's like the less catchy it is the more people love it. Boring technical djrnt sweeps with no soul or no solos at all. At least the 80s guys could song, riff and solo. Everything now is just people with no songwriting, melody, or feel sense. Boring robots 🤖
@@shredaintdead9323 the name of the channel is correct, shred ain't dead, you are right, but it is presented in a different setting. There are so many modern bands doing amazing music, with interesting guitar solos and instrumental sections, but it's like you said, it's not found in the mainstream. I guess, people like us, we need to try to keep spreading it around
@ its true we do! Mors pricipium est, all that remains, paladin, spellcaster, sons of Apollo, black tide
@@shredaintdead9323 nice! Keep up with the channel ❤ Im going to follow it closely.
@ thanks will do!
As long as the solo fits the song than it's no problem if not it can ruin a great song and never bore us get to the chorus!🤘
While solos certainly aren’t as prolific as they used to be, there are players in all manner of heavy bands that absolutely rip some amazing leads: Wes Hauch, Brandon Ellis, Josh Middleton, the guys in Whitechappel and Inferi…I could go on. It’s nothing like it used to be and in the world of 000100010000001 lead playing is definitely sparse. Maybe our bias a players makes most of us agree with Marty, I do for the most part. That being said if a band is tuned to drop Z# I’m not sure how leads would sound anyway. 😂
Haha drop z for sure. And yeah still some great players, but very few and far between compared to other decades
Def agree here! Andy Gillion from Mors Principium Est aint no slouch either, and Ghost's latest album has some sweet solos, if not on every song. It's also worth noting that the song should still dictate if it should have a solo, though as guitarists, we should always default that it should have one and then concede if it shouldn't. :)
@@Wyldwulf Andy Gillion is probably the best modern guitarist right now. So absolutely under appreciated!!!
Dave Davidson from revocation is another great guitarist in my opinion. I also really dig some of the jazzy instances he has in his playing.
@@Pablo-cv2yx yeah he's killer
I will say one band in the 90s out of all of the other bands in the 90s was Pantera Dimebag really changed guitar solos plus I believe Dream theater John P had some really great solos on their first album. But I agree with todays modern music so overrated. Basically I do not ever skip guitar solos ever as I believe a good solo whether it’s a five minute or even a 30 second to make a song sound colossal to this day I mix the 90s and the 80s plus late 70s together and take the next step
Totally agree buddy 👍
Petrucci still has great solos, always had lol Invisible Monster from the last album, the outro of Illumination Theory, The Best of Times, Constant Motion, any solo from the song Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... A few, for example.
@@JubaDeMetalAlumínio yeah that’s right
Great videos, yes the solos from Jake E Lee, George Lynch, Warren D list goes on and on all had very distinct playing styles and I loved the solos. With the band Europe I fast forward the damn songs and listen to the solos!
Thanks! And same here!!
I would agree with Marty and although I have enjoyed solos, I prefer songs that are not structured to accommodate shredder solos, period. The best generic solos, for me, are the simpler ones in death metal that make use of Floyd Rose divebombs like Allen West or James Murphy in Obituary. More about chaos than pretty rock chordal harmonies. Emphasis on atmosphere rather than technical play.
On the other hand, Painkiller and Rust in Peace are two of the best metal albums ever made and have plenty of sensational solos!
What about drum solos?
I knew it was over for music when Fates Warning released an album with no solos.
Seriously though
I’ll go ahead and be the Mastodon fanboy… Brent does massive, powerful solos on nearly every recent song and they have awesome bridges that lead into them. Savage Lands and Roots Remain are 2 examples.
80s, 90s, solo guitar is legend, that's musically, it's not just about shred, but feeling and emotional,
The same boring chugging. That’s how I felt when bands like korn were coming out with nu-metal. It was either that or the more strange you sound the better. I like how RUclips has changed the playing field but yeah guitar solos need to be more prominent.
Yep!
I miss the good old 80's solos . I play guitar but seems rhythm and singing is my thing. I have tried for many years and still do try to work on leads but I just don't seem to have that skill. It makes me wonder how back in the 80's young kids were instant professional guitar players . All I can figure is their moms and dads got them started early with all the best gear and guitar lessons.
There' are a ton of bands that have good solos. Besides some bands people have already named, Alter Bridge is another good example along with Crazy Lixx, an 80s hair metal inspired band. And even though they are more "simplistic", Ghost has pretty good solos too. I think the main thing you're really railing against is popular music not having solos which is more the case. But we could rag on "top 40 popular" music all day. Good rock music is few and far between on the FM radio these days or MTV/VH1, you have to really search RUclips, Spotify, or Apple to find those bands. I love both 80s and 90s music and each has their place. But I will say that the style of 80s shred wasn't really sustainable long term because it requires so much technique, knowledge of music theory, particular gear, and other nuances compared to the decade before it, the 70's, and the decade after, the 90's. Where the 80s was the peak of guitar musicianship IMO, the 90s had to strip it back down again to focus on the songwriting aspect that was more accessible to less trained musicians.
I don't know that I completely agree with the statement of modern guitar players sucking. Bands like Volbeat, Five Finger Death Punch and Halestorm instantly come to mind for guitar solos but I'm sure there are more. Yes, gone are the days of Dave and Marty trading back and forth or Dime peeling everyone's head back but I think there are still plenty of bands out there flying the flag. My $.02 anyway.
Sure there are a few modern guitarists that can solo, but it's very few and far in-between unfortunately.
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Really well said, dude! I just want to add that I have found this to be more true in America than other markets. My stuff does far better in Latin America and India where there seems to still be a hunger for guitar playing.
Thanks! And yeah there's a reason Marty moved to Japan haha. Crazy that America isn't into solos hardly at all anymore.
Brandon Ellis is one of the few that's still doing something.
And Nirvana's solos are better than the rivers of I don't know something super perfect tight "clean" distortion lead sound.
Can't agree more with what you said
Sounds like we just became best friends!
@@shredaintdead9323 yeh sure, I feel cutting the duration of the song in order to enhance their commercial value has been most detrimental to metal in general. Apart from that, guitar tones also sound very generic and quite compressed. I was recently listening to Sabbath's earlier stuff like Into the Void, Sweet Leaf and War Pigs, I am amazed how full, fresh and raw these songs sound. Nowadays it seems that the computer is playing guitar rather than a human. Hope I made some sense. By the way you earned a subscriber
@@danishhussain7127 I completely agree. Everything is so boring and robotic now. And thanks for subscribing!!!
The solo should be a piece of the song so melodic that you can't get it out of your head but that doesn't happen anymore. Just like the new generation doesn't care about music as much.I think Its because of smartphones and tablets. Don't get me wrong we all need our smartphones but music is gone you don't have to pay for it anymore and that really kills the Bands and people just don't go out to see bands like they used to any thoughts let me know.
But as far as the players like you and I we will keep going because it is in our blood.
Well said dude!!
Orchestration is key for me when it comes to a good solo, if it doesn't feel like it's LEADING (duh lead guitar player etc.) the song in a new or interesting direction and it is written for the song then it loses my interest, personally. Marty Friedman is a perfect example of a master orchestrator.
Totally agree! Marty is my favorite. Total master
I think that a lot of this was true.... But I also think that it's been coming back in the last handful of years. And it really is because of the RUclips and Instagram guitarists. For a while there was a lot of "generic" sounding music and playing. But with bands like Animals as Leaders, Dreamtheater making a huge comeback in this decade, Polyphia doing their thing.... The newer wave of modern guitarists are really taking those principles from the 80s and earlier (the phrasing, orchestration, intro outro and middle solos, and much longer songs again) and improving upon them and making those techniques their own. You're absolutely right that shred never died, it just kinda fell into obscurity for a while. But I think the last maybe 5-7 years have been a huge revival. There are a ton of players on RUclips that have millions of followers that do not fall into that "generic modern" musician catagory. Ones that take playing to a new level. Guitar got stagnant for a while. Maybe like 15-25 years (depending on what music you tend to like and listen to most) it really did fall to the wayside. Even METALLICA in the early 2000s ditched guitar solos in an entire album. But it's making a huge comeback. Also, with quarantine during 2020 I feel like a ton of people sat down and learned to play well. Got super bored and started developing their own technique and mastering something new. In the last year a bunch of musicians have been posting incredible music that's creative and beautiful and a cut above what the previous 2 decades of rock and metal had to offer. I believe that Marty is right, and you're right too. But I also believe that enough young musicians feel the same way now and are trying to take the instrument and these genres and reviving them into something modern and interesting.
I agree to a point. They're at least trying to bring back solos again, however plopyhia and animals as leaders are reat musicians but terrible writers. Everything they write sounds exactly the same and pretty soulless. They don't emote or make you feel anything. It's mostly wank fests. But I do agree overall that the last few years thanks to youtube and Instagram guitar Solos are definitely coming back.
@@shredaintdead9323 while I agree that a lot of those bands styles do feel pretty linear (I can't stand dragonforce for this reason) they really do a great job with style and genre bending. Bring theory from jazz, Bossa Nova, classical and other things and bending them into more modern music. While I totally agree that the music is often soulless or lacks feeling, the technical and theory side of things is not only impressive, but inspirational. I strive to take principals of older styles (I came up playing metallica, megadeth, maiden, etc...) and combining them with other things like that. I do, however, hate the over use of sweeping. It's a great technique and is super impressive to see and hear..... But it's over used. I'd prefer to hear techniques like that used to bridge sections together (much like arpeggios have been used for for centuries) rather than doing entire chord progressions through sweep. While that can be cool sometimes when applied properly... It, like many other flashy techniques, are over used and leaned on too hard. Making instrumentals feel more lifeless.
But Gregg, what about Mastodon, Ghost, and Muse?
Haha muse. Ghost and mastodon have Been around forever. Not even really modern bands at this point.
Eh. I can see the points, and I definetely understand people who doesn't like the modern solos.
But god I absolutely love me some mindless sweep shred tapping madness. I just loove tecnhical shredding and shit, for me it's a pleasure to listen to.
I listen to a metric fuckton of deathcore and melodeath, that kinda stuff, and It never ceases to dissapoint for me.
I'm an avenged stan. I would say they are one of the last mainstream bands to do solos justice.
You are correct sir!
You said it all.... 80's Rocks..... 90's Sucks..... Guitar Solos are the main part of the song in my view. And new guitars heroes will be born.... Since clones of EVH, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Satriani arrives on Earth! Congrats for the channel and also for the video.... great job man!
Thanks dude!!!
I skip most of the time the song to the guitar solo and after the solo the song is over😂
Most people don't listen to instrumental music wich is totally fine. It doesnt matter if it is guitar piano or other intrument.
I think that the whole music is very importent for good solos. For exaple synister gates solos are my favourit. They are catchy but still very fast and choatic. The think is that their hole songs are catchy and melodic so that people listen to their music and there for the solos. A solo is just as good and memorbel as the song.
Bassist: Now our Frenemies are experiencing our pain
Haha
I got one for you and anyone who reads this… Wes Hauch he is the best modern lead player out there, besides from his crushing rhythm work his solos are to die for !
He is absolutely incredible!
I remember the first solo I heard welcome home Metallica got me into guitar
Likewise dude. Metallica made me want to play guitar and guitar Solos.
The Balck Dahlia Murder has some of the most break-neck guitar solos I've heard in a modern metal band.
Brandon Ellis rules!
Agree.
It's tough to find originality as a whole now too...most of its been done before, that's how this super down tuned 8 string crap started lol.
Yep 💯 %
GREAT channel Greg, l think Slash might be the last great “ guitar hero “ , ( andZakk W ) 🤘
Thanks! And I totally agree 👍
It's not even just the guitar solos, the riffs from a lot of modern rock/metal bands also feel incredibly forgettable compared to what it used to be in the past imo.
Totally agree
I dont skip solos bcause I dont listen to modern bands 😎 ok, Steel Panter, but then again - its basically an 80s band
Satchel rules!
Am I the only one only enjoying the more recent videos in my left ear?
I'm not sure whats up with that. Switched mics recently must be something with that. I'll get it figured out and fixed for future stuff.
Listening to young metal bands in person live, I think it's not the guitar solo in and of itself.. in fact I've seen/heard great ones from players in the aforementioned local bands.. but the timing and what they're playing over is wrong. Dead fucking wrong.
They don't change the key, do an inversion, change the tempo, it's too early or too late.. it's a compositional issue seemingly. Don't really know how to fix that but it seems to be a widespread issue in garage and professional bands.
Definitely agree
Modern technical death metal has gotten more advanced if anything. Carcass started adding melodic guitar solos in the 90s. Chuck Schuldiner had better sideman who could play melodic solos instead of just beat on the whammy bar later in his career (90s) While technical death metal does not give the solo nearly as much weight as cacophony or even megadeth in rust in peace its technically advanced and some of the guitarists are solid performers as lead players (psycroptic for example though there are many others)
If you want People listening guitar solos again the worst way to do it is telling them is their fault
Haha ok well not saying anything hasn't helped either.
I still care about interludes, guitar, sax, synthesizer whatever interesting.
I understand why people like grunge music, it was becoming popular when i was about 10 years old. But, grunge imo, was basically a way of a new generation to pretend they didn’t care, and it was slacker music. Kinda Like when kids say to their parents. I don’t care 😒 and it was a way to be darker and more rebellious.but unfortunately to a vets in degree, it killed 80s music.
Music is a reflex of culture. There is more illiterate people than ever in history. So it's imposible to hear a solo like in Comfortably numb. It's almost impossible in this era to grown a real music talent with so poor listeners.
Totally agree 👍
Bro, Elliott Easton of The Cars was awesome! The Bryan Adams guitarist was awesome. In the 80s CC Deville & Mick Mars were considered to b kinda crummy and they were friggin awesome! Unfortunately the 80s just can't b duplicated. It was the pinnacle of guitar.
It really was!
skip guitar solos? Sometimes I go into a song just to hear the solo lol
Right? Same here!
What I’ve noticed is that not everyone aside from lead guitarists care too much for solos I mean of course there is the epic solos that everyone likes but it’s just not important and cool to everyone aside from guitarists
Probably true
@@shredaintdead9323 you would also think tho that this generation of guitarists who grew up on megadeth and such would try to emulate it a bit more
Seriously though!
When is Marty ever wrong is the real question.? I agree “modern “ guitar solos are not what they should be . I don’t think they can play solos to be honest . Just bc you can down tune to the basement and sweep pick at 300 bpm and binary chug isn’t a good player .
Why I play my way and care about the solo and melody
Exactly! These guys can barely write riffs ir songs, so now way they can write a good memorable and melodic solo
@@shredaintdead9323 exactly!!! Hey guys I just wrote a melodic prog metal riff . It goes PM gallop open string then the 1st fret. That’s pretty much the main riff then here comes the solo it’s the same thing but PM the 1st fret this time
Lmfao 🤣. Djent chuggy choo choo
Butt chugging more like it
@@ronswary hahaha
Idc if they can sweep pick at light speed or that they can play someone else’s solo . Durr it’s practice good players can play anything some one else wrote . Talent is being able to create not mimic in my opinion . But what do I know only played guitar and bass for over 25 years and always practice always 😎
If you can’t come up with something shouldn’t even play you ask me your just a copier not a creator
@@shredaintdead9323 🤪🤣
Whenever I listen to Behemoth’s Messe Noire, the guitar solo remains the best part. If I’m short on time, I’ll skip to the guitar solo.
That's only time skipping is acceptable
How can you skip a solo if it doesn’t exist LOL. I’m definitely not skipping solos because I’m still listening to Vulgar display of power
Shred aint dead but my right ear is
Yeah yeah I'm aware of the issue. It's been commented several times.
@@shredaintdead9323 no probleme, do not take it like an insult, it was just a joke
Bodom / Wintersun solos are nice
Yeah except no more bodom and wintersun can't finish a full length album now with more then one solo on it to save their lives
I care about guitar solos. I want to learn sweeping and I got books but after the first chapter I'm like dude this sucks.
Dude there's only 3 sweep shapes. Its actually really simple. Email me at shredaintdead666@gmail.com if you ever want zoom lessons from me.
Thanks bud. I will keep it in mind. Just started a new job and moneys tight, but I do need to add sweeps to my bag of tricks. I'll contact when I'm caught up.
Guitar solos? Who listens to music for that? We all know it’s the bass player that keeps the band together and a sick bass riff is where it’s at. Plus only 4 strings so it should be easier for me to learn. I’m switching, do you do bass lessons too??
Hahaha so true. It's all about da bass! And I sure do!
LMAO you are 1000 percent CORRECT 💯💯!! I couldn't have said it any better!! Nirvana SUCKED! The guitar playing was a train wreck. I played better when I was 10 years old... 90s music sucks.. i turn on a rock radio station and get disgusted . When I try to find a demo on RUclips about something Im thinking of buying all I can find is that DROP TUNE CHUG CHUG GARBAGE TALENTLESS PLAYING IF you could even call it playing?? Keep doing what you're doing guys like me Love it!
Thanks dude!
Nirvana was great at writing melodies for what it is worth, that’s something that got lost in the closing phase of hair metal. It’s easy to blame them for killing off hair metal but bands like Guns ‘n Roses, Metallica, and Aerosmith were already moving away from the 80’s sounds. Then you have other bands in grunge like Soundgarden and Alice In Chains that had underrated guitarists. Even Korn took a lot of influence from artists like Vai. Hair metal would have died regardless but the Seattle scene got in the right place at the right time even though most of them wanted nothing to do with fame.
I live for the guitar solos 🛐
I breathe guitar solos 🛐
You sir are a great man!
Hey hey hey there was a shit ton of good music in the 90s it just all ended in the late 90s. But I digress I’m pretty sure korn came out in 94😛
I agree but that was still the death of good solos especially the late 90s
@@shredaintdead9323 I don’t know brother there was still a lot of thrash bands holding it down hard in the 90s
@@shredaintdead9323 I think there were a lot of great lead players in the 90 they just weren’t necessarily doing shred but there was a lot of great blues players and rock players. And arguably even in the 80s for a lot of the top 40 music there was little to no guitar solos and a lot of electronic stuff. I guess you don’t have to look very hard in the 90s to find a lot of great players. I think Pearl Jam are phenomenal even the dude from Candlebox is great I can’t say enough about Jerry Cantrell‘s even old Marty boy was laying down some really great stuff in the 90s. Now if we want to talk about the late 90s and going into the 2000s huge new metal wave huge pop punk wave. Lots of Metalcore then the solos basically disappeared even Metallica put out an album that had no solos
@@jessemuscato I agree, but late 90s Hair metal was dead and thrash wasn't as popular and its been going downhill ever since.
@@shredaintdead9323 Well I agree the late 90s just wanted it started but for most of the 90s there was all sorts of good stuff out still and even some of those hair metal bands were still out doing stuff and a lot of the shredders were doing stuff to buy by 9899 forget it
The 90's came...enter flannel-clad Grunge Greg lol thats what you should have done!
Haha I've been actually planning on doing that character!!!
sabaton's new album has some amazing solos
Yeah but Sabaton has been around forever
What do you mean??? Lil Wayne and Adam Levine both play guitar solos live!
TRUTH!!! the true virtuosos of our time!!!
i havent watched this video but i can say i 100% disagree with this. i've listened to a good handful of modern metal (metalcore to be more specific) and well, there is a few bad solos yes but, most of the ones i've heard are all packed with a lot of emotion and feel behind it. and thats the main takeaway here, emotion, feel. without those two key factors, a solo isnt a solo. and a lot of modern metal has that. emotion. something older metal didnt really have (go ahead boomers, u can rave all u want to me on that one idc) anyways yeah, modern metal is good so, dont listen to whichever boomer has to say about it saying modern solos are bad or somethin. and one more thing, just listen to whatever u like.
Haven't watched the video and yet you say you disagree with the boomer here. First off my parents are boomers. Im in my early 30s. Apparently you Gen x noobs think anyone who's older then 25 is a boomer now. Super dumb. Leaving an opinion on a video you didnt even watch even dumber. I'm talking music in general, not exclusively metal. Don't be dumb. Watch a video before writing an essay about how you disagree.
I skip TO guitar solos
SAME!
I graduated in '86 Yea my era. Todays rock - heavy metal music sucks shit. You an Glen Fricker is my only saving grace. Oh and KK Downing
Haha totally agree and thanks dude!
This comment is nothing insightful or whatever, just leaving this to help your video on the algorithm.
Thanks!
Tim Henson is a guitar hero imo
I still prefer dimebag
Dimebag yes. Henson meh. Great ability. Can't write anything that has any feel. It's just pure boring overly technical ability
@@shredaintdead9323 I can agree with that. I'm 14 right now and I've been playing guitar for 9 months. I started when I was 13. I can't wait until summer vacation because I'm planning on practicing for as much time as I possibly can. I hope I can be like my hero (Dime) one day.
@@thesetupwizard666 very cool! I was your age when I started and had the same goals. You'll get there!
Man absolutely right, 4 example Polyphia all the songs same beat, its like reggaeton on acoustic guitars with endelessly repetitive patterns
Yep. Can't stand anything they do. It's all boring and sounds the same. Just cuz you're good at playing doesn't mean you can write anything memorable or catchy. It's all forgettable and no soul.
@@shredaintdead9323 wdym they have written so many memorably and catchy melodies
@@pinterakos3349 if you say so. I mean they were catchier like 10 years ago. Now it's all boring acoustic harmonics over trap beats.
there ALL lame