Peter Thiel on "The Portal", Episode
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2019
- Billionaire Technologist and Investor Peter Thiel is the guest as he joins Eric Weinstein in the studio to Launch "The Portal": a new podcast and video channel dedicated to our search for a path to a more transcendent and transformative future together. Peter and Eric discuss the link between growth and violence and the need to rejoin the quest for a more energizing future for all levels of society.
Eric please consider bringing the portal back when you can. I still re-watch episodes from time to time, the conversations you have and guests you invite create incomparably interesting experiences that make me feel intellectually engaged in a time of much isolation. Thank you for your incredible dedication!
He still has the podcast
@@nintendo9231889 The newest episode in audio form was in December 2020 though, unless I'm mistaken (I'd hope so).
look up the hoover institution, more intellectual interviews with magnates of business and leaders of industry.
Why’d he stop? Do you know?
@@Raiddd__it was after the Epstein thing I wonder if that was linked?
I'm not sure about everyone else, but I really enjoy the video format. The additional stream of information makes the podcast more engaging and intimate. Please keep uploading to RUclips!
*chants RUclips*
agreed.
Take notes, Sam Harris
Zarar I love the RUclips format and find it difficult to listen only to podcasts. During the day though I may not be actively watching, knowing I can glance over is engaging.
Yeah it's really difficult for me to listen to conversations without seeing the people.
Really good point around 20 min mark- specialization makes it easier to lie since we no longer have the capacity to know everything in this info-saturated world.
Good point. It needs to be addressed. Maybe have some experts serve as watchdogs? Also, we need many more generalists for at least a few reasons, including for creativity and invention.
Goes with the expert problem
Thank you.
It's the exact opposite of ELI5... and some of it obscured intentionally, because nobody understands data.
There's a jargon war that causes people to shut out and stop trying to understand assuming that they can't...
"Why do business people speak like idiots." must be applied to science and tech as well. They should make better use of analogy.
@~40min... talking of Polymath not being welcome.
*The feels.*
Yes... connect the dots... and beat them.
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The Portal is a game changer. Thank you so much Eric and all of your team around you. The world needs this.
“You found the portal.” I love that
Im going thru-see ya on the other side!
You only need 10 obsidian to make your own
spoiler: the cake is a lie
@@JockoJonson17 then what is pie?
@Crebs Park nope
What a time to be alive, boys. We were there, at the beginning of The Portal.
Best of luck, Eric!
wizard I love throwing “boys” into stuff. Super jaunty, makes me want a stogie and a bucket o’ suds! Solid. 💪
Great times .. but what do these guys have against Elon ? 😏 #alphaiq #neuralink
The only genuine intellectual in the so called IDW
Confirmed for Greatest Timeline.
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Listening to conversations of this quality is like oxygen straight to my brain, thank you so much guys!
Yes!
I've listened to this a few times. I really cant underscore enough, what an amazing conversation this is. Thank you, Mr. Weinstein.
""By the age 25 I felt much less motivated then when I was 18"". THAT hit soooo hard.
I had the opposite luckily enough
i fully disagree. at 18 all i wanted to do was drink and smoke weed. im much more motivated now at 25 then ive ever been
I feel that beginning in my later teenage years, but especially with the start of my 20s, my imagination completely died. Motivation halfway followed it, though thankfully not completely.
1:04:10
because you listening to brain numbing garbage all your life
Wooh! Hope Eric shoots up in the ranks fast. Most interesting person on the internet right now
Thiel is #1 interesting while Weinstein is #2 for me on all of internet. To have them together! Man!
Really? You prefer Eric over his brother Bret?
Just kidding! Lol. :p
On all the internets
Spenser Roger I love Bret as well but I'm slightly more interested in the subjects Eric is an expert in
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Embarrassed to say I’m back for another viewing of this one specific.
Thank you for this content to our portal. 🤘😇🙏
Any interest in doing a 2020 followup of this talk?
that would be great.
maybe after the election
after the election after the bad press settles down about Thiel hosting a dinner for white nationalists. Its not a good look for them, but then again Eric has dog whistled a few times about white nationalism so it's not farfetched to see it happen again.
@@DerpMuse lol you idiot.
Maybe this was in 2020 and they came back to the past to troll
Hey Eric, I'd like to suggest something:
Let's add some topic stamps to the video version of your podcast episodes to increase the ability for viewers to compartmentalize the entire episode; e.g. for the first topic a nice little textbox interface showing that you and your guest are talking about x or making arguments about why y is better than w, and so on. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed this video, no as much as how much I expect from future episodes. Cheers.
Second this
Also for viewers returning; having lost where they where at 🏔
Jaekang Lee are you volunteering ? It costs coffee beans to have someone do that
This is true, having a guest | host name on the video works for JRE because the conversation is eclectic, not so much with this particular interview.
Maybe also consider uploading 2 or 3 clips on specific topics to either this channel or a 2nd channel, as Young Jamie does with JRE Clips. That way people who are on the fence about tackling a 3 hour podcast can get a sort of preview.
Eric, since you're looking for dissident polymaths with a realistic view of our financial system, you should bring Catherine Austin Fitts on The Portal. She's the former Secretary of Housing for the Bush administration who underwent a paradigm shift after experiencing firsthand the high level fraud and corruption at the heart of our illusory economy. She's smart, heterodox, and most importantly, noble-hearted.
HUD and real estate is by far the filthiest part of the swamp...
Corpus Mentis I never said Eric was. But Catherine Austin Fitts really is. Eric has more reach at this point, so if she somehow got on the podcast that would be a good thing. Baby steps.
Isn't she the attention seeking one who runs that "solario" or something website who has believed since the 90s that the world and financial markets will collapse and because she claims she predicted (with no evidence) the 2008 mortgage financial collapse that she can predict the next one which she's been making claims about since, despite them never coming true??
Or have I confused her with someone else. (There are more than one woman doing basically the same thing, suprising enough).
I'll have a look
What an absolute joke.
The real causes of most of our problems go.nack much further than the 1970's.
The financial system was infected in the thirties. The bacteriotixins have been building io over time and have mow reached critical levels. And these charlatans hold a conversation in order to steer the solutions toward a band-aid instead of an antibiotic.
We are about to go critical. And guys like Thiel are ready to run to New Zealand when the corpse won't pump any more blood.
This is just so much more demoralization propaganda for anyone who can see the big picture. These two are bit players sent to quell the high end of the commoners, just like Trump is there for the lower end.
Deceivers one and all.
Listening to Mr. Thiel's insights when they are extended non-expurgatorially is priceless. Thank you.
What a civilized, intelligent, provocative conversation. I’m late to the party, but thank you.
Mumbo jumbo wrapped in twenty dollar words.
Mike S
Maybe you’re missing something.
@@mikes9012 Maybe you've peaked at South Park.
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Eric is filling a MASSIVE void with "The Portal" podcast. This shit is going to be YUGE. I can't wait to watch it grow, this is so needed right now. Thanks so much, Eric.
Wait a few months and they eventually will have to dig into "uncomfortable topics", causing outrage and a legion of retards demanding the portal to be shut down...
To fill a masive void you need a massive _____
@Isa ?????
Yeeees!!! Eric Weinstein podcast! Finally! Thank you for doing this, I'm liking it now and watching it first thing in the morning!
Eric, you are amazing and love your interviews and value you add to the world, thank you for your time and efforts.
I'm so glad this conversation is available for us to enjoy
I’ve said it 100 times. Peter Thiel is the smartest person on the planet. Thanks, Eric.
Chris Naff only on par with Eric
Yep . I tell eveyone that lol
@@jakubjodlowski6453 Eric is one of the most fascinating thinkers we have access to. Truly a joy to watch these two converse even though a great deal of it goes over my head!
I've already listened to this podcast on itunes... but it was so full of information and so interesting, I'm listening to it again. Thanks Eric.
Same 😊
Did he put your brain into a recovery mode after consuming so many high level ideas?
Me too
Also video>audio I think, the body language is lost on audio
Me too.
I’d love to have them revisit this together during Covid..... ✨💖
"Unemployment is at 3%"
"Jobs that resist automation are in the service industry"
"Retail is resilient"
Not anymore...
@@zedubal 🤔
Fascinating discussion! I will be recommending this as a "must watch" to others, and will definitely be following this channel closely.
FINALLY!! Thank you Eric! I’m Listening in Bristol England. It’s so necessary and heart warming to hear this kind of discussion. In our polarised society it is so refreshing to hear educated, grounded people discussing new directions, and an honest dissection of the current state of affairs.
You are an inspiration sir and one of my role models.
So excited to see/hear new content.
Many thanks 🙏
I'm only 35 min in and my mind is completely blown. These guys are on a different level.
Try Naval & Nivi as well
@@jimihendrixx11 Naval? Seriously? I've listened to him and he's so full of himself and out of touch. He has a bad case of survivorship bias.
I could listen to this conversation 1000 times and still find it incredible. Bring back the portal!!
I'm blown away - so many great insights in this podcast and I'm listening for the 2nd time.
26:52 Re the narratives that nobody really believes, but that institutions keep putting out there.... "Nobody understood better than Stalin, that the true purpose of propaganda was neither to convince nor persuade, but rather to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance so that ANY dissent stood out immediately as jarring dissonance". Eric, I think you are making a mistake about the purpose of the narrative propaganda. You are still talking about the institutional narratives as if they are about convincing or attempting to persuade people. But what I see is much more soviet than that... We now are told Narratives that are patently ridiculous and stupid... and the REAL acid test is whether or not we unquestioningly repeat these falsehoods and absurdities... Those who do repeat them advance. Those who question these narratives are ground to bits by the pundit-ocracy.
It's no accident that what you describe is precisely Orwellian; Stalin was Orwell's exemplar. It's good that you point out the function of controlling and directing public discourse to reveal independent thinkers.
indeed. By mimicking we gain the safety of social acceptance. its as old as humanity.
@@timedowntube but the question remains, why, in America.....are we all so goddamn conformist....
Its the most common advice when looking for a new job that don't talk "too much", you don't show " all your personality", and most importantly you don't EVER talk to your co workers about conspiracy theories lol.
But really, the subtle push for compliance is literally all around us. And the shittiest part of it?
WE ARE THE ONES that enforce it....
@B.T. 333 huh????
I'd love for Eric to have on Nassim Taleb. The two of them would make for a great conversation, even though Taleb's not great with articulating himself in English.
Neither is Thiel, but we get the message.
Yes!
ive fantasized about a conversation between the two for years. it would however be even better to have thiel on because nassim's probabilistics views SEEMS to conflict with thiel empowering non determinist optimism. in reality the two probably have more in comon than one might first assume.
I have a feeling that Taleb's not great at articulating his ideas in Arabic either.
@Ron Burgundy Yes, please.
Incredibly high level conversation. Really high level thoughts and ideas presented here.
I've had this nagging idea that something was fundamentally wrong with ALL society, not just Western. Never quite put scientific stagnation. More importantly, our society's acceptance and "sweeping under the carpet" of this fact rather than facing it head on trying force our way into new breakthroughs as one of the critical reasons for that feeling.
This conversation really oriented some of my feelings, impressions, and thoughts.
Can't wait to have you back in this role, Eric. We could really use your voice these days. Hope you're well!
Growing up in a large family of brilliant thinkers, conversations around the supper table were thought experiments, discussions of physics, politics, molecular biology (I kid you not) literature etc. I thought all families were like this.
They are not.
This is the kind of discussion, admiration, respect, and fluidity of thought that is so desperately missing from our current discourse.
Thank you Eric. I look forward to listening to this podcast again and to your future podcasts as well.
I feel much more engaged with the ideas when a podcast has not only a video component, but also when the host and guest are in the same location. If they bother to meet each other, I feel more obliged to invest in their dialogue. Mr. Weinstein's strafing some of his competitors in this direction. I also hope Mr. Weinstein fully embraces this format to invite guests as disparate as possible but for their exceptionalism. This factor is, in my opinion, the primary strength of JRE. I can't imagine myself missing a single episode of The Portal. Thanks team!
Sean Carroll's "Mindscape" is also a hidden gem.
Thanks for this podcast, I’m a huge fan. Discussing ideas not each other...
I have a grade 8 education.... I'll have to watch this a couple times but finally I'm no longer bored...
Exciting conversation ! Incredibly juicy to use Eric's words !
If you are interested in furthering your education, with nothing more than an internet connection, I would have some suggestions :)
Once again I see the wisdom of my mother's advice: "Always wear an undershirt" Great conversation by the way.
Keeps my bulging gut from bulging and pit stains don't reach the outer layer. I wish I had that advice early on :)
Or a shirt that fits
People that complain about aesthetics are shallow😎😎😎
Absolutely phenomenal. When this podcast hit's it's stride we may just get somewhere.
Giffica I completely agree
Without the quarentine I doubt that I would have been able to listen to this. Such a tremendous treat.
Great discussion. I'd love to see a post-COVID version!
We have that. See the dark horse podcast with Steve kirtsch.
@@nintendo9231889 meaning Thiel and Portal host- Post covid.
If I knew there was a video component I would have waited for the RUclips drop before listening to the audio on iTunes.
Oh well, I suppose I’ll just have to listen again.
I'm glad it's not just on iTunes, 'cause I only use RUclips.
Yep same
Or just dont...
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>1:56 This proves we're not the same person
>Never shows them both in the same frame, always alone with camera cuts
Definitely the same person.
26:13
sihTdaeRtnaCuoY I’m not the only person that thought the same thing!
3:15
This thing I am connected to it 26 min
6:32
"We are being distracted from very important issues"... spot on sirs. Thank you so much for such a fascinating chat
Thanks for putting your podcast on RUclips. I feel it's better to watch people talk as well as just listen. Have been looking forward to The Portal since you mentioned it on your last JRE. I can't think of anyone more eloquent, educated, & well-placed to pull this off. Hope you get more subs; what you're trying to do here is immensely important for humankind's...march of progress.
This was a great conversation, its truly great to see people talk at this level without stopping to explain basics to the audience/participant - If I don't understand a term I can pause and search myself - If you can keep up this standard, you're onto a winner. Keep uploading to youtube too!
Best way to keep your job: Invite your boss on your podcast and give him some ad royalties.
That's a little nasty! Or am I wrongly assuming that you are making the wrong assumptions?
Just found this. Great conversation. I try to speak the truth as much as I can in my life. I find that dropping seeds of truth may not always get immediate results but often grow over time. It's also a good way to filter out the pretenders.
Two revolutionaries conversing without adult supervision. Awesome.
This is such a good back and forth. These men are established in their industries and this is a gem of a conversation. Looking forward to more.
This was amazing, great job Eric! I'm just an average guy, and it's so exciting to listen to you two geniuses talk back and forth. The world needs more of this content. Please keep up the great work.
Ohhhh nooooo but today on NPR, they explained ohhhh sooo painnnnfully that China's Social Credit System is just for criminals, won't affect you, Citizen!
I liked it too, but he should've asked Thiel about PayPal's deplatforming of people. Hope he has him on again to discuss at length.
@@RCCarDude very good point. Totally forgot about that
if youre average then how do you know what genius is?
@@KingNigelthegreat stop impeachment add your name
Hilarious to watch two brilliant, well-meaning, and honest intellectuals try to talk about what's wrong with the world, without touching on anything that could be called a "conspiracy theory!"
I can tell you this: the man should leave economic thought to economists. The idea that the Globalists or the "elites" want free trade is so comical it boggles the mind. These are things these people claim, not what they do. The "Gloabalists" want "free trade" for themselves and their friends.. they don't actually want it for the people... which is why you and I can't start a business and engage in anything we might consider to be free trade. They want "free trade" for multi-national corporations to take what they want from people who have no say in the matter because they lack property rights. That's not free trade, that's theft, but they use the euphemism of "free trade" and people like Weinstein buy it.
Very Worthwhile Conversation!
This podcast needs to be listened at least 3 times to fully absorb it.
What did you gather? It seemed like they mentioned the idea of real issues but skirted around actually talking about them. This was a bust for average Americans.
@@howdydutt1e To be fair you have a good point, but the issues they've discussed, at least to me feel that they are high-impact enough if addressed, will significantly improve American lives (or everyones' lives, for that matter) - the stagnation of the economy since 1973 is one they should have covered more deeply.
@@jayanthkumar7964 Stagnation? it's called demographics, want to know why it is happening in America just look at the Japanese. America just needs to get out of the lie that it is a Meritocracy, it has Communism for the rich, market capitalism for the rest.
Yeah, it's like drinking out of a flowing fire hydrant.
Thanks Eric, thanks Peter. Hugely enjoyable and much appreciated.
This was an extremely interesting conversation. I'm impressed and hungry for more.
😎
Eric your rationale and insight into what's truly going on in our societies, is just refreshing!!!
It is so nice to hear a thoughtful conversation. It gives me a lot of hope.
I literally just finished JRE where Eric mentioned The Portal and BOOM this drops at this exact moment. Synchronicity
I hate to be "that guy", but does that count as a synchronicity? I think that's one of those words that people throw around and it leads to the word losing it's surreal definition (which is a tragic shame imo) through misuse. In my understanding it's not just a synonym of "coincidence"; it's a *really* fucking weird collection of specific coincidences that are so striking that they demand to not be categorised as mere coincidence. Coincidences can be curious, but synchronicities are supposed to be outright ludicrous
It's pronounced scrantonicity.
It's incredibly empowering to know that you're a hair's breath away from Superpowers, I want to help people explore that.
Eric Weinstein.
@@tommeakin1732 Looks like it dropped at the exact time shown on the Watch (in EST zone) in the latest Q Post qalerts.app/media/10501aed0d2b3ce4cc72ee720573ee519877d600ab795cf4115aa1bb75875531.jpg
THAT'S synchronicity!
@@tommeakin1732 Synchronization describes perspective and realization. You may not like to be called "that guy" but your ego prefers to judge, collect what it deems useful for survival and discard what it does not.
01:40 on working together
02:42 Dominant Narrative of present age
08:50 bright future of specific fields & slow progress
12:15 scientific or man-made problem
i’m positive that you are still working on this table of contents and that maybe another 2 years roughly will be enough.
@@dunk1089 XD
Eric I love your impatience for progress, keep us marching forward
OOOOOOHHHHH SHIIIIIIT.
He did it!!!
So excited for my favorite guest on other streams to finally be doing his own. Thank you, Eric!!
I was pretty concerned with his caughing. Then I remembered it's 2019, not 2020
Caugh - caugh! YOU have Covid-19 Not!!!
Last year we knew a cough was just a cough. Now due to media hysteria we think a cough is the end of civilization. We need to regulate media (especially social). Hospitals are empty. The flu turned out to be mild. We need to re-open the world before we have more violence and despair.
@Happy Joy Bravo "to control you " and your "mind ". Why ? Why would people want to do that ? Nothing in it for anyone.
@@rentboy15 So you don't believe that all those people around the world have the Virus. Should have known this from you prior to the Virus.19 Pandemic.
I was thinking the same thing haha
wow its so refreshing to see two people have a conversation so objectively while taking care of each other at the same time and being sensitive to mainstream perspectives.
I've anticipated a podcast from you since I first saw you on the Rubin Report in 2018. You're truly one of the greatest minds of our century. Thank you for bringing us real conversations, portals, and hope. Cheers, Dr. Weinstein!! Let us continue stepping through the Looking Glass and finding Toll Booths together.
When confronted with a heavyweight like Weinstein, Thiel shows his genius. Didn't get that picture from his talk with Rubin. Thank you for the great interview / Portal. Writing you from Germany & missing you (Jews).
1:01:50 What is the Thieliology :P
I'm a PhD Candidate in psychology/cognitive neuroscience. This is 100% accurate. IMHO, nobody should do a Bachelor's degree in psychology. It's useless. Study something real (e.g. statistics) and you can still go to grad school in psychology. Indeed, I think we should split undergrad psychology into two degrees: one social science degree for people who just need any degree to work at Krispy Kreme and a distinct difficult grad-shcool-prep psychology course based on engineering that would get you to the level of at least a current Master's psychology student (probably mid-PhD). This would make the students more valuable when they graduate (ideally enough to be hired as a data scientist), and it would make the ones that want to do grad school much more capable of doing more advanced research so we overcome the terrible low-quality psychology we have today.
There's so much more we could know about the brain, but the smart people study math/physics. We need more of those smart brains working in the orchard of psychology so we can fix the field. I started in computer science and switched and it's easy to succeed in psychology with a more advanced math background because you out-pace your peers so utterly.
Brilliant conversation. If you judge a conversation/educational material by the number of new ideas that it leaves you with, then this one scores very high on it.
Thank you thank you thank you. The Portal is the podcast I have been waiting for all my life. Thank you Eric. I'm not alone! With deep gratitude and anticipation, Belinda
It's about time!! Absolutely honest, great discussion, well needed.
This is an "uncontrolled narrative".
Nice.
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
This is Eric’s best episode to date imo.
now there is one better.........................
Mr. Weinstein is trying to go from 0-1 with this podcast
...and he ended up at 11.
Very good book.
What are you talking about?
@@Avengerie google "zero to one"
good one
Super excited about this! Thank-you Mr. Weinstein.
Its such a joy to listen to you both with so much of knowledge and insights.
What A great discussion. This podcast is worth gold!
I'm so happy this exist.
Eric, great first launch! I'm a huge fan of your work.
IMHO, you should get Camille Paglia or Victor Davis Hanson. That would be quite a meeting of the minds as well, and neither have been invited into these IDW discussions, though both are stellar luminaries.
Prof. Paglia had a conversation with Prof. Peterson, but that was pretty much it, methinks.
I think Paglia and Weinstein are of different magisteria; Paglia is more about art and culture and Eric is more about science and mathematics. They would overlap in the sociological domain
VDH please
You’re terrific, Eric! Simple, just terrific!
I have less answers now than I did before I watched this. Well done. I can't wait for more!
The pitcher on the table is called a Klein Bottle. If you travel its length, you'll find yourself back at the point of origin upside down. Eric, the fact that this is one of three props you chose for the table gets you so many cool points in my book. Thanks for the podcast, looking forward to more!
Does it pour water easily?
Not really. The Klein Bottle Wine Bottle like he has holds about as much as fits in the handle.
Can't be a Klein Bottle otherwise the part where you'd pour from would have to be closed.. And since it looks like a pitcher, I can't imagine that would be the case.
You're right, I just looked at it again. Not a true Klein Bottle, but it's similar.
No, it's a real Klein bottle. Check this out, for example: ruclips.net/video/2WKJhsFHH3o/видео.html
"You've found the portal."
I'm living for it. Can't wait to see who else you get on and where your conversations take us Eric.
Now, after listening to the next 15 portals, I find this very first one the most solid and thoughtful... you seem to do best in conversations with people with opposing ideas and ideals and politics.
What a refreshing and essential level of analysis.
Just one tiny production critique: Please cut to the wide shot more often.
and pause for wardrobe if there is an issue lol
@Tuco The Rat stop impeachment add your name
> 17:30 "There's simply too much knowledge"
> 57:37 Thiel Fellowship (BA is more prestigeous than MD)
> 56:12 CED - College Equivalency Degree
> 1:01:47 Teleology
> 1:04:20 "Low hanging fruit"
> 1:07:43 Power laws
Did you zone out at this point Daniel? I thought it was just getting interesting!
Roger Patterson The timestamps are from my second play, which I couldn’t finish
thanks for doing that
1:27:27 when your employer tells you that people like your family were useful idiots.
Thanks
Incredibly educational and necessary message both in the content and the context of - sometimes - opposing views and how to discuss issues. Loved it!
Beautiful podcast. Amazing from beginning to end.
2 of this centuries greatest minds and strategic thinkers. Amazing podcast and thanks!!!
I appreciate what you're trying to do for my country, Eric.
You're a good man.
When the first episode of your podcast gets almost a million views. Amazing
You're a brilliant man Mr Weinstein. I really enjoy your measured narrative and ability to ask the "right" questions .... :)
Fantastic podcast Eric, extremely enlightening on every issue!
Well that was a pleasant little spark of excitement that just hit me when I saw this haha
haha
No shit. Dopamine lever.
Great conversation. Thank you both.
This chat just got better as it went on. Epic.
Love both guys. Great conversation. I prefer these type conversations over music any day.
I love Thiel, he breathes intelligence and wisdom
he is one man i will always follow, until the day i die or he does.
although I must add there is little content in this vid and I wouldnt expect a lively debate to flourish between a boss and his employee
Intelligent people don’t always make the right choice- you do know he supports trump right?
@@khmer31 the choice was either Trump or Hillary. Thiel made the right choice. Whatever you may think about Trump it's still better than Hillary.
Like Weinstein too?
Just love the art of an interview. Thank you.
There are so many golden nuggets here that it’s hard to keep track of them all.