AFF Jump, pilot chute entanglement with the instructor's camera
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2015
- BFU Reggio Emilia, Italia, during an AFF jump the bridle of pilot chute of the student has wrapped around the camera of the Instructor.
He quickly pull out his helmet while the instructor take the bridle to avoid the opening of the main container.
It's awesome that:
1. Other instructor grabbed the bridle.
2. Student was so aware and calm that he was able to help the situation.
Yes, you're definitely right, if the other instructor wouldn't grab that bridle the main container would get in the air and if it opens before he opens the buckle of his helmet.... the tangled instructor should not have released the student that was a very dangerous move. I don't judge him (this was a very unusual and stressful situation), just an observation from my view.
I agree student was calm and didn't panic and the instructor unbuckled his helmet and the other instructor grabbed the bridle to stop chute from opening. I would skydive with the 3 of them anytime.
@@matyasmatepeter those gopro clips break very easily
@@matyasmatepeter it seemed like the instructor that got his gopro caught waited until the filming instructor grabbed the rope before he released the student to try to untangle himself. Or maybe it was just luck idk
@@matyasmatepeter i am not judging, i wasnt in his position but, in order to remove the helmet, he might needed 2 hands... other things i was thingking off is that camera stands should have a quick release in case of these things happens... thats why i do have my camera at my chin, so i can see it and i have a quick release in case. but in the end, all were safe, thats what matters most.
That AFF student is the man! first jump, kept flying belly to earth while unscrewing the instructors helmet cam. Damn. quick thinking and great flying.
The student didn’t unscrew the camera, the instructor pulled his helmet cut away strap
are you blind, thats not what happened lmao
That’s was awesome for a level 1 or 2 student to have that awareness and calm. Great for you!
Legend has it... his helmet and camera lived on.
It's a good thing that instructor kept his cool and didn't lose his head.
In more ways than one...
Great job staying calm and assessing the situation. All three of you handled that well.
Wow! Quick thinking by all three of them. If that chute had come out, it might've broken the instructors neck.
I have a feeling the mount would have failed first. Either the attachment itself or the adhesive on the mount.
@@user-cb1ln8vc8d yes and no... depends on what kind of mount was used. As all of my skydiving cameras are screwed onto my helmet, it would not have come off. Which is why I have a helmet cutaway.
It would have for sure broken the AFFI's neck or entangled him with the student. That's why I rock the
V Mag Chin Mount or V Mag Top Mount (depends on the jump or if I'm shooting outside video for tandem) which has a magnetic Cutaway just in case. The AFFI did a Phenomenal job not wasting too much time trying to undue that and just taking helmet off! Going for my AFFI Rating in February #BlueSkies
@@NateDaGreat3Hoe5 i had a great time in my course. As I told my IE "I had a blast, but i don't wanna ever do it again." Lol
@@theginganinjaofficial Congrats! The AFFI's in my DZ have told me that they had nightmares for a month after doing course. One guy I know quit after the first hot eval. Lol doing 15 minutes of tunnel time and 15 jumps a week to get ready for it. Who was your IE?
Вот сколько раз думал, что камеры должны быть встроены в шлем. Не должно быть выступающих частей.
Wow the AFF student was so calm and the instructors new what to do. I would skydive any day with the 3 of them. I am still a student skydiver and loving it.
AGAIN! flight instructor excellence. From ALL the vids I've enjoyed here, I'd have no qualms trying this for the fact that I would KNOW I was in great hands! Well done, gentlemen!
What a great save by the student. Excellent situational awareness.
The student did nothing, watch again, the instructor removed the helmet
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The instructor did stuff up wearing a GoPro on that side of the student but dealt with the entanglement very calmly. He let go and dropped both elbows, stayed close enough to not pull the bridle and allow the student to give a helping hand. The other instructors actions gave all a good chance to help it end well. That student has to be given high praise for staying so calm and being switched on enough to see what was needed in a high pressure situation. I would definitely jump with him! I hope he went on to be a good jumper. Well done all!!
Ramon MedeirosGreat job, for both instructors.Kept the student controlled, and avoid an out of sequence deployment, until the problem have been solved. Great jog guys!!!
When I skydived, you could not wear anything on your helmet, frap hat, suit or body that was likely to snag on lines. Anyone wearing a helmet mounted camera had to have cracks and snag points filled and streamlined. Wearing a camera required clearance from the CCI to allow people to jump with a safe system. GoPros bolted to helmet or wrist are not safe from line or bridle snags; this video just proves the reason why those precautions were/ are valid.
The AFF student was lucky and yes bravo, he was very situationally aware.
The instructor with the GoPro bolted on his his is negligent and as proven, dangerous (not to mention lucky). And this goes for anyone with a GoPro line and bridle snagger bolted to the helmet without anti-snag precautions.
Have a proper, safe streamlined system to house your camera. Or simply hire a camera jumper with the proper gear. There is no point in having the latest ADD, RSL, hot canopy and all the cool and groovy gear, when videos like this, and thousands of other videos show jumpers have no idea of fundamental basic risk and how to mitigate it.
For all of you whoop-whooping and high-fiving the jumpers in this video, stating how awesome they are; the instructors placed the student in a dangerous situation that is totally avoidable and never should have occurred.
Imagine if the helmet he just disposed of got tangled in the main lines somehow… causing more issues. Could have been bad
Great job handling the problem however it seems a bit irresponsible to have instructor on right wear a camera. The student did as he was supposed to and it is not the first time and no surprise that it resulted in a snag, It should at least be a snag proof camera system
Norman, that was as stupid as it gets. The student was remarkable.
Not really. You know how many Level 1-3 students toss the pilot chute that far out? It takes most 10 jumps to get it right. As they spend most their time just trying to stay level...
@@jons6368 The student was impressive, but the situation should never have arisen and the instructors are negligent in putting the student and themselves in that position in the first place.
Totally irresponsible to be wearing a camera that can snag a line or bridle. I am old school, we only jumped equipment and gear that was safe or the risk mitigated. All that is needed is a streamlined housing for the camera. Anyone who jumps the a camera like this or on their wrist is a hazard to others and themselves.
Happy to discuss this with anyone. But if you cannot understand the issue, know the grim reaper is just over your shoulder, and in skydiving he catches up, eventually.
@@johnny5327 Totally agree with you...Blue skies.
its about time they invent a camera that is anti-parachute entangling. Seeing so many videos on youtube - so clearly a very common occurrence.
Awesome footage! Hats off to the Reserve side JM who held the bridle and bag in the container while the main side JM was busy.
Ha ha! 1:52. Hats off to the main side JM... literally!
Wow,.. that was close! High speed malfunctions can be unforgiving and fatal. Good reaction by the student, because that could have been a gruesome scene.
Awesome display by all three guys!!
hhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wish they showed us the view from the flying camera
abadi alsharif that means it didnt survive/crashed
@@Hollyweed1 or they just never found it
Student was rly aware... good job!
Wow! Great job getting that helmet off.
Legend said the camera is still hook in this parachute.
Left side held the bridle after the pin was out until right side hucked his helmet, that was badass I thought; student aware & all 3 cool as cukes, wow👍
the student could have got the bridle caught around his arm after the instructor released his helmet
Team work at its greatest!!!is all i see here🙌
Good and quick thinking on instructor’s part.
I have actually a Z1 helmet made in Italy for last seventeen years . And it is very difficult to take it off. Specially, to open the front shield due to that tiny black release button. They should do something about it for sure.
Thank you 😘😘😘😘😘😘
That wont be the last time something gets caught on the camera mount.
Quick thinking by the instructor!
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be a pass. I'd LOVE to see the footage from the offending camera, I wonder if it remained tangled & survived? The look on the instructors face (who may have lost his camera) was priceless as he watched it sail away.
I would pay to watch the footage from the second camera!
If it wasn’t for the second guy holding the teal there preventing it from coming out while it was still stuck on the camera, it wouldn’t have ended pretty. Thank goodness for that second guy.
The issue isn’t that the main side instructor is wearing a camera. He was in a good position during the pull sequence too. Fortunately he was able to untangle the bridle in a timely manner but that should not be his first option. If your camera gets entangled reach up there like a big man, and break off the camera. It is by sheer luck that he was able to untangle it. Instructors should also have a means of jettisoning their helmet in instances like this as well. A $300 helmet and/or a $500 GoPro is a small price to pay to save two lives. The roller mounts are nice because they have a lower likelihood of getting snagged on something, however, they can’t be ripped off if something were to happen. I like the old school adhesive GoPro mount. It stands a slightly higher chance of getting entangled if a bridle comes across your helmet but it’s easy to just rip that thing off if needed.
Edit: just noticed in the slowmo that the instructor DID chop his helmet. Incredible head up work on his part. He has obviously rehearsed his emergency procedures in his head for an event like this!
Bravissimo l’istruttore che è rimasto stabile mentre si sfilava il casco!!
well said Norman
impressed by the student's keeping calm .. great job.
it shows a bad Idea having a camera mount on the right side of the student.
If that helmet though stayed attached to the bridal, wouldn't that create scenario similar to a line over with the bridal? I know you can land if your bridal and pilot chute are wrapped over the main, but with the helmet weighing it down, I imagine that would create a line over scenario and make it unflyable.
Good team work!
That's the best GO-PRO add ever !
Side mount, side mount, side mount. Those top-mounted GoPros are killers-in-waiting. Because they mount on the curve of the helmet and don't require a flat plane to bottom-mount onto, they tend to sit farther forward than the older cameras which were mounted more on the absolute top of the helmet.
And great job by the student. It was his action that finally pulled the camera off and freed the bridle. His awareness and cool under pressure are commendable.
+Angus Dorbie
Ah, yes, I see it. Missed that before. But I still give high marks to the student for trying something. S/he was essentially trying to clear the bridle from the camera and appears to have kept his/her cool.
I agree you can get snag-free top mounts. But since you can, you should. I don't believe a snag is always waiting to happen simply because there's a camera on an AFFI. I have hundreds of AFF jumps with a side mount (Sony PC 7 back in the day and now a Drift. I'm not wild about the Drift as a camera but it more than serves its purpose for student training.) I'm pretty convinced that a side-mount for AFF puts worries of a snag to rest.
Let’s not forget about the quick thinking instructor on the left who, with his right hand grabbed the bridle and held it tight in place stopping the bag & lines from floating up giving the others more time to untangle.
T. Lane & that instructor grabbed the students left arm immediately. My thinking was he did that to prevent the student from going to reserve. Which would have been a bad situation. This situation never should of happened, but either way, the instructor on the left handled this incredibly.
Also, side mounts do not guarantee safety. Cameras always are a snag hazard.
3 guys doing things perfectly.
Student remaining calm, maintaining his body position and trusting his instructors while earth is approaching fast.
Instructor Grabbing bridle to prevent deployment with the other instructor attached
Other instructor wasted no time in "saving his gear". Quick check if he could fix it and decisive remedy by jettisoning the helmet without sacrificing altitude.
Did you ever find the instructors Hemet and cam
So that’s what scared me the other day when that black thing hit the ground and went into a million pieces
That parachute just robbed him!!
So that's why I got a helmet in my head during my Sunday walk...
Should have been possible to break the GoPro of freeing the bridle?
For people that rely on lines some much you guys have a boat lost of snag hazards.
Do you have standardized hand signals?
Great job for the instructor. Wise decision on such short notice :)=
Was GoPro recovered? Purple how cool 😎
;ost important question, was the helmet and camera found? And is there footage?
Imagine walking about and getting hit by a helmet falling from the sky 🤔
Yeaaah what a tension!!! Good bye cam!!!!
I wonder if the student had to cut away ? Did the camera & helmet stay snaged and cause issues with the students main after deployment? If it did stay snagged i would imagine he would of had to cut away cause of the weight of the helmet pulling down the canopy ?? I NEED ANSWERES !
Not part of the incident but I might be able to help. The camera and helmet did not stay attached to the bridle. If you watch at 1:03 and pause at the right moment, you can see the bridle came undone from the camera mount upon releasing the helmet. The helmet probably just fell to the ground following that destroying both helmet and camera (hence why we don't have the footage from the snagged camera). Had it remained snagged, my guess is it would have only resulted in a cut away had the helmet/pilot chute combo fell over the front of the main upon opening, effectively a line over. Other than that I would figure the main to remain fine or at least be there and controllable with a slight deformation on the rear due to the additional weight on the bridle. Might hit you on the head upon landing though.
Great job managing it; all three were spectacular. However, helmets with no quick release are foolish in any situation, IMO. Full-face helmets with no way to quickly release the helmet don't belong on any instructional jump (again, my opinion).
At the least, use a side-mount camera.
And don't float so high on the student. ;)
Again...great job. Super impressive student, and thank you for sharing the video.
That "instructor" is a menace.
Instructor👍 student👍👏👏👏
Why I jump snag free, make a camera cowl from fibre glass etc.
Fuck man ! I'd hate those situation where you have a split second decision to make with no opportunity to try again or step back …
Close to a serious incident. Cool minds at play that day.
lesson learned
Two words.....Roller mount
Why we need Sony and Contour to come back with good quality & less of a fowling hazard cameras
Lots of little lessons to learn in this game
Fuck, that was great presence of mind by the instructor to release his helmet....
Got him in the gopro!
Great job done by all. My question is, "Did the student pass this level?" I know this is a dangerous situation and with the smaller and smaller cameras, more and more of this will happen. Think about what you are doing prior to doing it. Have a "PLAN"..... Better to have a plan and not need it than need it and not have it.
Very nice
Why don't they make an enclosure for the camera that is smooth like a plastic pimple on the helmet?
Isso acintece com frequência. Deveriam proibir essa forma de de instalar câmeras, deveria ter uma proteção em volta da câmera para que isso não aconteça.
That would be an interesting statistic - How many people have needlessly died or been injured in the vain pursuit of taking a great selfie or video?
There was the story of the guy that was so busy checking his camera gear was rolling, that he forgot to put his rig on. Was jumping camera for a tandem, and didn't notice until he went to pull. Ivan Lester McGuire in 1998. Apparently he chucked his rig in the aircraft, planning to don it on the way up, and didn't.
@@justingould2020 many many people... i dont mean skydiving, i mean in general, loads of people taking selfies have killed themselves by mistake, or filming someone else and forgotten there doing whatever activity they happen to be doing
Yes, you can always get another helmet and a camera
Welp, there goes that camera. Not to mention the helmet.
Reminds me of the time I was jumping and my friends parachute got wrapped around my Johnson and almost ripped it clean off.
Your Johnson almost ripped his parachute clean off?!! (Dang, you should tuck that thing into your boots as a safety precaution.)
@@earlleegrace3318 That Kyle was a lucky man. A Johnson capable of being tucked in the boots, when suddenly released into the airstream at or near terminal
velocity speeds, a quick calculation using the Schlong-Dongson Aero Ratio Equation shows that a flailing Johnson could whip around and pummel him about
the face, striking with heavy force at the rough frequency of 3 times per second, rendering him into a catatonic state. Stopping it's madness would compare to
wrestling a 247 pound Anaconda, and forcing it to tap out with a rear naked choke hold. Lucky to be alive , man. Very lucky. The power of an oscillating Johnson
is incredible at that speed! Hope he thinks about using Velcro on that rascal, and keeps a belt cutter handy at all times.
@@KSparks80 Any man who can't keep his Johnson tucked in his boot deserves to be beat about the face with it. Positive Johnson Control is a foundational tenet of safety.
This changed my DZ over night. All AFF on the right, no cameras. Fortunately he cut away his helmet ok when altitude was burning fast. This could have been a fatality very easily. If you want camera, get a camera flyer. That's what we do.
never dived /13 days n counting for my first/ i say shit happens , so glad to see the instructor say fuck the helmet and camera(money) before another life
Good awareness by holding the bridle till he got the bridle off the camera.
That falls under the category, "Shit Happens"!
you are stay cool...nice Job
👍👍👍
Is this an auto A license!??
Yes
Genau dieses Problem habe ich auf mich zukommen sehen. Die Ausbilder verstanden das nicht. Wie man sieht, geht es schneller wie man denkt.
Jumper did a fine job!
I see a need for a helmet with a streamlined camera compartment. If thats not a thing already someone should get on that pronto.
"I want 5 ideas on my desk by 6. NO! Make that 6 ideas by 5!"
good job recognizing the issue and u taking off the helmet - not much time to play around
I wanna see the gopro footage from the flying helmet 😄
LOOKOUT BELOOOOOW!
Kind sucks cause it was just barely looped on there in hindsight. Great quick thinking skills though
Sorry about your helmet and camera bro.
That instructor was smart... Had he went tumbling.. Both of them would be tangled up. So he goes right for the helmet. To remove it. While holding the pilot chute line..
No the instructor was not smart, he was lucky to get away with a problem he created. The instructors (both of them) should never have place the student in that situation in the first place. Any camera worn should be in a streamline housing that cannot snag on lines or bridle. No whoop whoop from me. I would recommend anyone stay away from those who jump with such naive attitude to equipment and safety, especially someone who is an instructor!
@@johnny5327 Norse shit. He created nothing. As the student tossed that PC in his face. Not as instructed. And ever student does it. It it's either a weak toss or they can't find it and need help..
Thank You
That falling helmet could kill someone on the ground.
Yes but I believe most jump zones are free and clear of people below during a jump.. in case of an accident above..
Bet he don't wear that camera anymore
To bad, the camera might have break and the instructor had to spent his money to buy another one for himself
Sheeesh! Great job everyone! However, that helmet could have killed someone on the ground. Thank God it didn't.
No helmet cutaway? Mmmh
Deveria ser proibido câmeras com quinas expostas para capacetes de PQD
Dude -that coulda taken your head off
Wow, I can't believe the student was aware of what was going wrong and that he could get the bridle off. if that helmet stayed on, who knows if it would have created a line twist.
Helmet gone....