For whoever thinks its pointless for being so expensive...the bike wasn't meant for you, you don't get the point. This is a hand built prototype with top of the line components (similar to the BMW HP4 race), only the forks cost something like 20k I personally like the fact that 2 stroke isn't dead and i love the concept..they tried to give 2 strokes the final touch of class showing the world what it is capable of. AWESOME
Hypersonik yes they did, for emission reasons it is not possibile to homologate big 2 strokes anymore, modern GP bikes have followed the trend (125->moto3, 250->moto2 etc), 4 strokes have been developed enough with modern technology to trump old 2 strokes and there's no point to investe in the technology anymore..
To the people that say just buy a standard bike and do it up, it would never be the same. This package is unmatchable the chance to ride this beast 576cc 2 stroke is uncomprehendable ... so light so quick try catch this in corners good luck.... if money is no issue why not... the ones with no money do the complaining but if they had the $$$$ their tone would change and make hypocrites of themselves..... 100%
If modern manufactures brought out a new version of the two strokes I grew up with except new 500cc bikes like the RGV NSR KR1s for the road they would sell like hotcakes. All parts top are available now from each manufacturer. Make a fuel injected two stroke put it together and sell it. What a riot!
It's hard for fuel injected four strokes to meet new emission regulations, a two stroke would be impossible, plus all the burning oil would ruin the catalytic convertors the four strokes use to comply with the regs.
Somebody said this is expensive. This bike is about 127kg (280lb) and 195bhp. £87k ($116k) 195bhp from a 576cc is a bit extreme, lets say they produce 165bhp reliably all day. To further reduce cost they mass produce the bike and remove top of the line parts with common ones, which add 26kg (57lb) to the bike. So in the end we have a reliable 153kg (337lb) 165bhp from a 576cc bike for about £28k ($32k) or possibly less. Now lets say they produced a similar (and mass produced to drive down cost) 1000cc two stroke. Just conservative estimates produce 175kg (385lb) 245bhp motorcycle for £35k ($40k) or less. "Exotic" ducatis command those prices these days. Where is your 4 stroke now? Suter is still very exotic and worth its price. Most of the sticker price is just because its produced in small numbers and built by humans not robots anyway.
I bet building a custom carter to house 4 cylinders from high end moped engines, adapting the engine to a chassis, could be from a 600 then making the 4 custom exhausts will cost much less than buying this bike I've seen V2 204cc moped engines and they all pull between 67 to 72hp, so imagine a 4 cyl
It's like having a Turbo charged bike but with less moving parts to work about. I don't own a 2 stroke but if I had a dedicated race bike I'd probably want a 2 stroke.
the same exact day I win the lottery this will be in my garage I would buy a whole nother bike to ride to go get this and hire someone to ride the Ducati v4 back for me
Now this is a machine work of art certainly not pointless i bet the smell is mmm lush and a rush to boot i would love a go on this magnificent machine well done to suter she is beautiful
I don't know why more bikes don't use a 2 stroke, to be honest. The major faults of the 2 stroke were its efficiency and its power curve. With modern fuel injectors the problem of intake air going out the exhaust isn't an issue - it no longer carries fuel as we aren't reliant on carbs. Indeed prototype 2 strokes are actually more efficient than prototype 4 strokes now as they aren't wasting so much energy on "useless" cycles. And with the many modern tools (electronic ignition timing, variable valve timing, throttle by wire, etc) the power curve can be fixed as Suter themselves seem to be demonstrating. For cars it offers a more efficient engine for maybe 20 years into the future, for motorbikes the mix of good efficiency and an amazing power for its size and weight really makes it the ideal engine for any sporting bike. Putting that into a near-GP chassis just makes an absolute dream bike. Complaints of its price really miss the point - its fully race ready bike for less than the price of a mediocre performing supercar. Frankly they could easily have been charging 2-3 times the cost.
Hi everyone, I am looking for a diagram or an explanation of the 2 stroke engine that was used in motor bikes for racing. The engine has 1 or 2 exhaust valves that shut off to hold more in the compression stroke. This is different to the power valve. Thank you
These guys at suter need to develop an engine for a track car like a caterham, radical, KTM, BAC, ariel or lotus! I think a lower specific output might be necessary because with 4 wheels and increased weight you're gonna want more torque but I would imagine that a 1000-1500cc with 250-300hp could be amazing!
Hola gente nececito su ayuda Soy un fanático del 2t, me gustaría estudiar una carrera específica en la creación de motores (no chasis, solo parte motor) ¿Que tengo que estudiar? ¿Ingeniería mecánica sirve, o hay alguna mejor opción?
I may not be much of a fan, but 2 strokes sure are something. 500cc, nearing 200hp... powerband that could bend you over and give you a good spanking, but to me, it sounds like a kids toy. A deadly, deadly kids toy.
that was an old Suzuki rgv500 that kevin schwantz rode back in 1994. the other bike on the far right was an old pagett tt bike, could either be a nsr250 or nsr500v
@@geovani60624 Actually a 2 stroke makes more power AND TORQUE compared to an equivalent 4 stroke. You have to be in the powerband yes but with modern fuel injection and power valves I don't see why they can't bring them back.
I absolutely despise the idling sound of a 2-stroke engine... But then they start revving, and it sounds like a choir of angry angels yelling at the top of their cosmic lungs in perfect harmony... gotta love it
if I had the money I'd be pulling my hair out trying to choose between the RC213v and the 500MMX. I almost bought a ducati 1199 superleggra for $70k USA but it was uncomfortable as hell.
Congratulations to Suter, it's an amazing engine for a lowcost price at this level. But everyone has to know what the current (2007) 2stroke level can do to day: http//:facebook.com/lucfoekema/media_set?set=a.1992436069636.77827.1805454134&type=3
I guess there are some people out there who have the money to throw around on this...or no one would have taken the time and cost to develop it. But it is NOT for me... It looks nice, but I could style up something with some time and some modelling clay, that I could stick on my low-cost Suzuki and still be in about the same weight area, and similar HP...for WAY LESS money! I could even style some exhausts that look like expansion chambers! It looks like an Awesome Bike...but no more a 'match' for me than a Bugatti Veyron ...
Floyd Burdett The price comes from the race parts... FGR Forks, Suter Swingarm, Brembo Race Calipers, TTX Shock, adjustable race frame, Carbon chassis, direct injenction for 2 strokes released before KTM's + developed by a small company, race ECU, probably carbon fiber wheels, etc. Just the fact that this is a purchasable prototype makes 100k look like nothing.
I wasn't 'disputing' the costs... I am WELL aware of the costs involved, including finding the "just right" parts as well as the developmental costs and creating all the intricate parts and fitting all that together, etc. Heck, you should see my recent Bill for simply repairing/replacing some Stock Parts on my own bike! (frown) I am just saying that there are Very Few who can reasonably afford such a bike, and even fewer who would be such 'fanatics' for 2-strokes that they actually Would spend that much for a 'street bike'... Sort of like the VERY Limited 'market' for the Honda RC213V-S or the Kawasaki Supercharged H2 ... Those few will more likely just keep them as "Collector Items" rather than actually riding and enjoying them.
And a LOT less speed... This is RACE bike, and if u want to see how much faster race bike is, check moto2 bikes, which uses 2007 600CBR RR engine. Same engine in race frame and suspension makes them a LOT faster as CBR...
For whoever thinks its pointless for being so expensive...the bike wasn't meant for you, you don't get the point. This is a hand built prototype with top of the line components (similar to the BMW HP4 race), only the forks cost something like 20k
I personally like the fact that 2 stroke isn't dead and i love the concept..they tried to give 2 strokes the final touch of class showing the world what it is capable of. AWESOME
All the reasons 2 strokes are dead aren't mentioned in this video.
Hypersonik yes they did, for emission reasons it is not possibile to homologate big 2 strokes anymore, modern GP bikes have followed the trend (125->moto3, 250->moto2 etc), 4 strokes have been developed enough with modern technology to trump old 2 strokes and there's no point to investe in the technology anymore..
Marco Brotto what about the Husqvarna 2 strokes? I thought the New Husqvarna bikes would fit into the emission regulations.
I'm talking about road bikes..plenty of room for 2 strokes out of tarmac
Marco Brott
That noise brings back so many memories. It's a shame we can't smell it too
Hell yeah.
I literally can smell it through the monitor
come to Malaysia we have many 2-stroke like Yamaha RXZ 125Zr😂
i smell it everyday
@sprinter cepat bonk...from my 125z
Yessssssss. 2 stroke is life
Can’t get enough of that beautiful sound takes me back to my teens at Brands Hatch watching Sheene thank you Sutter for keeping 2 strokes alive 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
To the people that say just buy a standard bike and do it up, it would never be the same. This package is unmatchable the chance to ride this beast 576cc 2 stroke is uncomprehendable ... so light so quick try catch this in corners good luck.... if money is no issue why not... the ones with no money do the complaining but if they had the $$$$ their tone would change and make hypocrites of themselves..... 100%
Well said brother.
I'd give up a kidney to take it for a ride👍🇺🇸
Worth every Euro for sure
Till one crashes his
Ugh
Not to mention weight, or lack of it in case of the Suter.
AMAZING! Congratulations for the job! The SUTER MMX 500cc its SPECIAL.
2T Racing
If modern manufactures brought out a new version of the two strokes I grew up with except new 500cc bikes like the RGV NSR KR1s for the road they would sell like hotcakes. All parts top are available now from each manufacturer. Make a fuel injected two stroke put it together and sell it. What a riot!
It's hard for fuel injected four strokes to meet new emission regulations, a two stroke would be impossible, plus all the burning oil would ruin the catalytic convertors the four strokes use to comply with the regs.
Well KTM has already made reliable 2 strokes TPI engines. They just need to put it on street bike instead of dirt bike
Ayamcingcang there’s a huge difference in a dirt bike and a street legal motorcycle that also has to be reliable
Dead Doll look into Rotax etec. They are direct injected and have better emissions than four strokes...
I love 2 strokes,back in the 1980s H1 500 & H2 750 was the fastest bikes! That Suter is one sweet bike,and the sound and smell in bike Haven
Somebody said this is expensive. This bike is about 127kg (280lb) and 195bhp.
£87k ($116k)
195bhp from a 576cc is a bit extreme, lets say they produce 165bhp reliably all day.
To further reduce cost they mass produce the bike and remove top of the line parts with common ones, which add 26kg (57lb) to the bike.
So in the end we have a reliable 153kg (337lb) 165bhp from a 576cc bike for about £28k
($32k) or possibly less.
Now lets say they produced a similar (and mass produced to drive down cost) 1000cc two stroke.
Just conservative estimates produce 175kg (385lb) 245bhp motorcycle for £35k
($40k) or less. "Exotic" ducatis command those prices these days.
Where is your 4 stroke now? Suter is still very exotic and worth its price. Most of the sticker price is just because its produced in small numbers and built by humans not robots anyway.
i wouldnt even mind them pullig it even more down to a 160kg 106hp road legal bike for say 25k
@@jesselopez0008 neither would but, it wont happen. EU control freaks wont allow 2stokes due to emissions
I bet building a custom carter to house 4 cylinders from high end moped engines, adapting the engine to a chassis, could be from a 600 then making the 4 custom exhausts will cost much less than buying this bike
I've seen V2 204cc moped engines and they all pull between 67 to 72hp, so imagine a 4 cyl
2 stroke is very hard to meet emission standards because of burning oil and unburnt fuel
I just ordered one!!!
146kg fully fueled
@NoNoNoNii No wet is just with enough oil, breakfluid and gas so you can Turn it on not fully fueled
"Why? Just to have fun" That's pretty much it.
For anyone that grew up with strokers this is pure biking porn!
I could legit sleep to the sound of this beast
KTM should make RC line up with new 2 strokes TPI engines
It's like having a Turbo charged bike but with less moving parts to work about. I don't own a 2 stroke but if I had a dedicated race bike I'd probably want a 2 stroke.
Ian Lougher rides the Suter MX 500 in the TT
Amazing bike
Love to own one someday
For now my FZ8 wil do
The Suter aside
THE LUCKY STRIKE SUZUKI #34 IS GORGEOUS
the same exact day I win the lottery this will be in my garage I would buy a whole nother bike to ride to go get this and hire someone to ride the Ducati v4 back for me
I’ll have to buy 5 just to be on the safe side
If I was rich enough, I'll take two!
Now this is a machine work of art certainly not pointless i bet the smell is mmm lush and a rush to boot i would love a go on this magnificent machine well done to suter she is beautiful
2 stroke heaven!!!
That sound.... enough to buy one if only i can afford 😀😀
Two-Stroke Till the End ❤️💥♨️💯
Love to see a 2 stroke motogp event. Who else for it ????
I know right bring back the 500cc class
I seen it at TT2016, was mega
love that noise....superb
Its not about the price, u are not buying this things because its fancy, its about passion and if I have that kind of money, no doubt I will buy it...
1:56 - IN YOUR FACE FORMULA ONE...!!!
People were lucky in the 80s/90s to have 250gp replica road bikes rgv/nsr/tzr/rs/kr1s/ superb bikes
ERM it doesn't "fall on its side" due to the tyre profile, not because of the bike. Change the tyre profile and see what happens.
Looks and sounds beautiful…… ❤
TWO STOKE YES!!! YUM
What a beast of a machine.
what if they make 1000cc 2stroke bike?it should be more than 300hp. amazing power.
Depends on how many cylinders it has.
@@agentofenhanced2428 lets try 1 cylinder 2 stroke litrebike :)
@@mr_sowong9464 That would be really slow and im not sure it would even reach 200hp
@@agentofenhanced2428 imagine the low end kick tho
@@mr_sowong9464 it would be useless for racing
I don't know why more bikes don't use a 2 stroke, to be honest. The major faults of the 2 stroke were its efficiency and its power curve. With modern fuel injectors the problem of intake air going out the exhaust isn't an issue - it no longer carries fuel as we aren't reliant on carbs. Indeed prototype 2 strokes are actually more efficient than prototype 4 strokes now as they aren't wasting so much energy on "useless" cycles. And with the many modern tools (electronic ignition timing, variable valve timing, throttle by wire, etc) the power curve can be fixed as Suter themselves seem to be demonstrating. For cars it offers a more efficient engine for maybe 20 years into the future, for motorbikes the mix of good efficiency and an amazing power for its size and weight really makes it the ideal engine for any sporting bike.
Putting that into a near-GP chassis just makes an absolute dream bike. Complaints of its price really miss the point - its fully race ready bike for less than the price of a mediocre performing supercar. Frankly they could easily have been charging 2-3 times the cost.
How does it compare to the NSR500?
Two stroke never die✌️
Hi everyone, I am looking for a diagram or an explanation of the 2 stroke engine that was used in motor bikes for racing. The engine has 1 or 2 exhaust valves that shut off to hold more in the compression stroke. This is different to the power valve. Thank you
My Father had Honda H100S, 2 stroke.. It was pure riding pleasure
1:27 knock down camera rig thats awesome!
Plz god give us a race series!
What is up with the sound during the interview? Was the mic left in the workshop?
I would sell both kidneys for this bike!!
good tone good tone
5:40 Ronax 500?
Wich type of oil was used? mixture ratio?
These guys at suter need to develop an engine for a track car like a caterham, radical, KTM, BAC, ariel or lotus! I think a lower specific output might be necessary because with 4 wheels and increased weight you're gonna want more torque but I would imagine that a 1000-1500cc with 250-300hp could be amazing!
The next level 2 stroke
Hola gente nececito su ayuda
Soy un fanático del 2t, me gustaría estudiar una carrera específica en la creación de motores (no chasis, solo parte motor)
¿Que tengo que estudiar? ¿Ingeniería mecánica sirve, o hay alguna mejor opción?
El 2t está muerto, no pierdas tu tiempo.
@@viarnay no fue mi pregunta esa
That or one of those rcv213v Honda love both but i'll have the two stroke
What race class would in compete in??
I may not be much of a fan, but 2 strokes sure are something. 500cc, nearing 200hp... powerband that could bend you over and give you a good spanking, but to me, it sounds like a kids toy. A deadly, deadly kids toy.
I love 2 strokes, it's a shame they're dying out because of reasons.
If i ever win the lottery 👌💪🔥
"The Weather has been Terrible here in ROCKINGHAM today" 😀 When was the last time U.K had some decent weather? Gosh it was so DEPRESSING out there !
What engine is that?
self made by suter i fhink, because this bike is so expensive
How much does it weight, fully fueled?
Andrew Shumate around 3 stone
280 lbs. I've read
One day I’m going to get one ☝️
come on MCN, complete fail on the audio.
No kidding!
What category do you race this in?
It’s on the Isle of Man TT game so I assume it has raced there and possibly in other ‘Road Racing’ events.
What a bike...
MMX500 king of 2t motorcycle
just wow, where's the 750 ?
1:06 what that bike with number 34 on it?
that was an old Suzuki rgv500 that kevin schwantz rode back in 1994. the other bike on the far right was an old pagett tt bike, could either be a nsr250 or nsr500v
If I win the lottery this will be in my garage 😂
Had a rgv 250 awesome 2stroke
99.99% of the people watching this video can’t afford this bike
hope they make a 750cc soon
Very cool. Couldn't you get Randy Mamola to do the track test? No telling how many high sides he'd have saved.
I'd kill to ride this just once.
Awesome. I’d buy one if I had the spare cash.
188 hp from less than 600cc? How? What sorcery?
Cerebral Method 2 stroke
just by consuming the double of a 500 and producing around 20% more power and less tork (and burning oil in the process)
Read here to what level 2stroke can do to day: http//:facebook.com/lucfoekema/media_set?set=a.1992436069636.77827.1805454134&type=3
And much lighter than 4stroke 1000cc bike
@@geovani60624 Actually a 2 stroke makes more power AND TORQUE compared to an equivalent 4 stroke. You have to be in the powerband yes but with modern fuel injection and power valves I don't see why they can't bring them back.
Is that jean claude juncker? wouldn't at all surprise me tbh
Would be insane to ride, imagine the powerbands whip..... crazy
They said its pretty smooth
I'll give you everything I own including Aprilia RSV4 Factory and be homeless for this bike. Sure do miss my TZ750 and this would be a huge step up.
this is good
Now we need a turbo charged 500 Suter!
You can not turbo charge a 2 stroke effectively
@NoNoNoNii there is only 1 factory turbo 2 stroke snowmobile in the world and it is not even for sale yet, Summit 850 E-TEC Turbo
They should make a hydro 2 stroke next
I'd be interested to know how they have fuel injection on a 2 stroke with crankshafts that need oil.
The oil is mixed with the fuel, and gets into the bearing with air/fuel gas. It's like a thin film laying on the moving parts.
When you hear that noise and think it is just some kid dirt bike but then this monster show up and pass by you smoking your v8 car😅
This channell should invest in better audio equipement.
No money left after buying fuel for this monster
If I'm paying that much, I better be able to spec it with lights and indicators...
I absolutely despise the idling sound of a 2-stroke engine...
But then they start revving, and it sounds like a choir of angry angels yelling at the top of their cosmic lungs in perfect harmony... gotta love it
Great bike but your video production quality is pants. Look at what others do .. 44T, motorcyclist magazine etc ...
Is it really 20x more fun then a Rs 250 Aprilia???
YES
Okhay. Good jod 😍😍😍
Braaaap!!!
so this is what Christoph Waltz is doin in his spare time when he aint doin movies, hhmm
I Fall in love
if I had the money I'd be pulling my hair out trying to choose between the RC213v and the 500MMX. I almost bought a ducati 1199 superleggra for $70k USA but it was uncomfortable as hell.
Mcn team please make it upload video Ducati panigale 1299 r final edition
Congratulations to Suter, it's an amazing engine for a lowcost price at this level. But everyone has to know what the current (2007) 2stroke level can do to day: http//:facebook.com/lucfoekema/media_set?set=a.1992436069636.77827.1805454134&type=3
If moto gp back to 500cc 2t
Get up it get it on the pipe
Four strokes once again ruin motorcycle racing on the tarmac the dirt
One day baby I’ll get me one of these. Eskil if you read this let’s make something happen.
u can also buy ronax 500
I guess there are some people out there who have the money to throw around on this...or no one would have taken the time and cost to develop it.
But it is NOT for me... It looks nice, but I could style up something with some time and some modelling clay, that I could stick on my low-cost Suzuki and still be in about the same weight area, and similar HP...for WAY LESS money! I could even style some exhausts that look like expansion chambers!
It looks like an Awesome Bike...but no more a 'match' for me than a Bugatti Veyron ...
Floyd Burdett The price comes from the race parts... FGR Forks, Suter Swingarm, Brembo Race Calipers, TTX Shock, adjustable race frame, Carbon chassis, direct injenction for 2 strokes released before KTM's + developed by a small company, race ECU, probably carbon fiber wheels, etc. Just the fact that this is a purchasable prototype makes 100k look like nothing.
I wasn't 'disputing' the costs... I am WELL aware of the costs involved, including finding the "just right" parts as well as the developmental costs and creating all the intricate parts and fitting all that together, etc. Heck, you should see my recent Bill for simply repairing/replacing some Stock Parts on my own bike! (frown)
I am just saying that there are Very Few who can reasonably afford such a bike, and even fewer who would be such 'fanatics' for 2-strokes that they actually Would spend that much for a 'street bike'...
Sort of like the VERY Limited 'market' for the Honda RC213V-S or the Kawasaki Supercharged H2 ...
Those few will more likely just keep them as "Collector Items" rather than actually riding and enjoying them.
And a LOT less speed... This is RACE bike, and if u want to see how much faster race bike is, check moto2 bikes, which uses 2007 600CBR RR engine. Same engine in race frame and suspension makes them a LOT faster as CBR...
if they stop producing it the prices will jack up 300%
well it's a good deal cheaper than Honda's 213 V4 and it makes more power right out the box. what's not to like...?
They’re expensive because they are rare!! Not because they are complicated engines, realistically this bike runs on only 3 or 4 components.
Saya hanya bisa membayangkan,karna mutahil dapat memilikinya..