The Big Reunion - series 1 episode 3
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2013
- Episode 3 of The Big Reunion mainly focuses on the Honeyz and B*Witched.
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Mariama did the best thing ! Mental health is so important ❤️
From the sound of it Naima bullied her.
@@melissawright1979yes I believe so and the fact that Naima tried flirting with her boyfriend was unbelievable!
@monicanath4859 Absolutely. Also it was like a Cheryl Cole situation; Naima was in the band for her looks, that's it
@@melissawright1979crazy!
i love that "honeyz talk". i thought is was the most realistic of all, and most heartwarming.
Dillon M well i think its because they didnt come here for drama, but just for fun and live the life they once had and enjoy! see how mariama dance her way in every song? lol, you can definitely tell she's having the time of her life, again! love em!
I love them. Although parts of their script were fabricated for TV.
Heavenli wasn't genuine tho it was all for the cameras hence her departure again a year or so later
@@cakes3958 such as?
@@MVK123 about them not having seen each other for so long. Celena, Heavenli and Naima reunited in 2005 and even appeared on TV. And I’m sure they would have spoken and cleared the air long before this encounter.
This Honeyz story is so sad.....that they nearly made it that big, and never did, is such a shame.
It's so crazy how one can easily just kill off another's dream, without really caring as such.
Sadly enough, Black British Artists don't make it big time. Remember what a Hissy Fit everyone took when Javine didn't make Girls Aloud and she tried to make it as a Solo Artist and Failed she even tanked on Eurovision. Also, if you look at The US a lot of R & B Gril Groups go from having it all to losing it all. SWV (Weak, You're Always On My Mind). One became Homeless and One was in The Closet. Xscape Reunited but Kandi Burress who is now a Real Life Housewife Of Atlanta isn't with them, and TLC ended up Broke, had bad relationships with Men and of course died.
Celena lost out on her dream due to TWO people walking out on her. Poor girl x
@@melissawright1979 Not Mariama, babe.
@@iampauseYeah Heavenli walked away. Then Mariama did.
Heavenli did it AGAIN after this!
who was in the closet at swv???@@laminage
I think The Honeyz were goin' to be as big as Destinys child, it's so sad esp for the main singer, you can see the pain in her eyes :(
Yes, if you want to see a sad story, go to The Essence Website (An African American Woman's Magazine) where they interviewed Farrah Franklin who replaced Latavia Robinson and LeToya Luckett along with Michelle Williams in Destiny's Child. There's so much she wanted to say but she can't because she signed a Confidentiality Contract. Can you imagine being in a Hot New Girl Group, then being a Has Been.
Did you hear about Michelle Williams coming forward about her Depression. How sad is that.
The Bewitched girls certainly havent lost their looks with age, if anything they are better looking now.
Especially Lindsay!!
"We weren't people to these people. We were a product. And their product was being tampered with as far as they were concerned."
That was heavy but oh so true. One minute your Label loves you before you know it, it's Bye Bye Baby. Also the Demographics for Boy Band/Girl Groups is so hard because if your biggest Fans are Young People, one minute they love you the next they forget you. Jon Knight of New Kids On The Block found it hard to "readjust" after The Group broke up.
@@laminage It might be unrelated to Bwitched, but then you drink and drugs to the mix. It can be very explosive, especially for the people it's happening to. " The Product".
@@laminage Take That is what I am thinking of.
@@peterhogben3304 Right On! Did you see The Boy Band Con with Lou Pearlman, what he did to his "Proteges" most notably N'Sync & The Backstreet Boys and Aaron Carter is heartbreaking.
@@laminage yesss
If the likes of ABBA had released "Blame It On The Weatherman" it would have been regarded as an all-time classic. It's a really well constructed pop song, and B'Witched had a good few of those! 🍀🇮🇪
I love Celena, her voice is great, she looks good and she seems like a great chick.
chick? 😂
Wowzers! I did not see that coming with Honeyz. Who would've thought switching a mic off actually happens. That's actually really sad for the passionate/well sung performers
Happens a lot. There's usually someone only in the band for their looks, not their voice
In the 90s, lip synching was like an epidemic with pop acts 🎤
I feel bad for Selina, she should've gone solo without them
I feel bad for Celina, as she’s telling you can see that she’s really passionate about singing and music, it’s just a shame she started off with a member who couldn’t even sing and another who only looked out for herself! I hope she’s happy with whatever she is doing now because she deserved better than that!
omg being in band is gonna fuck with these peoples emotions for the rest of their lives the fact that 20 years on and shit they are still breaking down, how was it worth it?
It's sad that Heavanl abandoned Honeyz three times prior to this and then a 4th time after this. It's just sad because I was really hoping that this Big Reunion was going to be therapy for her and Celena, like it was for all of the girls of Bwitched.
She can't be trusted. They should have told her to go fuck herself after she did it a second time x
The Big reunion helped Atomic kitten (kerry and jenny had a falling out coz Jenny hated the way kerry talked about her during this series) and now in 2022 atomic kitten is back with Jenny and they released a single, Blue is still together, 911 do little concerts around uk at festivals and B*witched has released an ep and done so much together but the bands that didnt take the big reunion as a therapy but took the money and left was 5ive, Honeyz, Liberty X
i freaking love you for posting this!!!! it's hard to watch this show in th u.s.
Thank you so much for this such good quality
Don't like how Naima was treated here. She stuck with the group from start to finish unlike the two abandoners who dissed her. She deserved her side of the story aswell.
Mariama wasn't an "abandoner", she left the group because her and Naima couldn't get along, plus Naima wasn't helping at all - knowing that Mariama was their last chance of keeping the group alive, which is exactly what happened.
@@iampause Naima deserved her explanation. There's always two sides to every fallout. They did Naima dirty imo
Maybe Naima didn't want part in the show?
@@melissawright1979 she did she told me on twitter at the time.
@@rayoflight6505 But apparently she's not a nice person. She fell out with all the girls.
I love this show it’s very interesting and goes into the details behind the scenes of being in a pop band, many of the bands (or if not all of them.) have very memorable, iconic and relevant song that undoubtedly stood the test of time and are still played today and bring smiles to people faces.
thanks sooooo much for posting
Made me cry I love BeWithed I hope they tour sometime I'm in tears now Xx
Why does it have to be a lead singer...that to me is he one major reason why people break up in groups... that ruins groups and also it leads to fighting and arguments. and on the other hand...some people just don't want this for 4-5 years and pressure. And I love B'Witched! So much sine I was 4 and 6 in 2000 and 99 ...I just can't believe they changed their image for what? Who cares about sex pays ...look if anyone who wants to start a group please please don't let them rule ur group!...stay together and always have each others backs as much as you can
Kenneth Brown yeah
Celena's acting like those girls owe her something and ruined her life. What were they supposed to do, stay in the group while they fell completely to pieces just so Celena would have it made?
+TheLizzifer Celena has to take responsibility that had she confronted Naima's behaviour and sided with the other two girls, the band would probably have had that big break. I know she says Heavenli wasn't open about her reasons for leaving, but by the time Mariama was prepared to leave as well, it should have been apparent that Naima was the problem. She has to take part of the responsibility as well, I agree with you.
It was the way heavenli left that she didn't like by not even telling her she was leaving and for her to return over a year later was like a punch in the stomach
well...I understand that she was away from home and wasn't really happy. But I think she should have stayed at least like a year more or something until they establish something in the US so then she could leave and THEN they could replace her or something. But they haven't even started really overseas and she left... no wonder that they were dropped and I completely understand Celena. #teamcelena
Exactly - it was a horrible environment
It was more the fact that Heavenli didn’t even have the decency to have a conversation about it - something she admits to. She literally got off the plane and said she’s not coming back after being in America to shoot a music video & sign a £1m record deal with Def Jam! The timing was a mess and the way Hev did it was wrong. No wonder Celena was pissed
With B*Witched, it reminds me of The Supremes when in 1965 Berry Gordy decided Diana Ross would be the Sole Lead Singer and then in 1967 they were Renamed Diana Ross & The Supremes.
Great doco this is amazing
honeyz were my faves too. bwitched were my jam as well. the frustrations of knowing ur fave girl groups &their issues were W0W
Célena Cherry should try x factor.. shes amazing alone so its better for her i guess? The band confirmed that Heavenli decided to quit the band for the fourth time, therefore continuing the band as duo.
That sounds promising but it doesn't mean you'll make it. In the US when American Idol debuted many of the Kids who auditioned were contestants on POPSTARS 1 & 2. Also, one of the Fellows from One True Voice auditioned for The Voice in The US and was let go because of immigration problems. This Heavenli has a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde personality. Such heartbreaking drama for all of these guys. They were just Guppies who were put into a Rock 'N Roll Ocean and it was either "Sink Or Swim". What makes me happy was that at least many of them got closure, so many US Groups didn't and probably never will.
Too good for crap factor!
cant be doing with the "lead singer" bewitched. What a self centred self obsessed me me me ......................
And a bit of an emotional mess too. I never realised her and Sinead's relationship was that strong.
She's a nasty bitch. Narcissism at its finest. She didn't even care about her own twin sister.
Celina has every right to feel how she feels
So naima didn't deserve an interview and didn't even get talked about, apart from being dissed about her singing and just being the 'looks' of the group?
Becky B and Jesus they approached her and she declined. She can't sing and was only there for looks. I think it's great that they were honest about it. She's probably embarrassed.
And to think that she had to suffer Simon Cowell's weinstein-esque stalking! No wonder she didn't wanna come back.
Well from what I hear she was a nasty bully.
No matter what happened to The Honeyz, they should consider themselves blessed. The Shirelles had to wait for 20 Years to get paid, many of them do Golden Oldie Shows and many aren`t even original members. Gladys Horton of The Marvelettes died of a Stroke after living in a Retirement Home, Georgia Dobbins also died and Wanda Young Rogers also died after being and addict and even Homeless for a hot minute. As far as I know no Girlband from the 1960`s have all of the original Members Alive.
I don't want to loose somenthing like this, CAUSE I CAN'T LOOSE IT . I WANT THE BEST FOR HER AND HER DAUGHTER.
Hearing about Naima flirting with Mariama’s boyfriend is just horrific. Celena seems to be quite strong and bossy, too.
Strangely, my friend bought the Finally Found single and sent me a postcard with Naima's face on it.
she doesnt look sorry. she's smiling
I think she was trying to not cry.
Bwitched’s 2nd album wasn’t as successful not because of “lack of momentum”, but because the songs were gimmicky and worse than the 1st album
Skunky Stinkerson yup
yeah but the record label didnt even care about the girls . it was like one song did well and the second album flopped so lets just drop them instead of giving them another chance.
Hip Hop act...pj and duncan...lol.
En Vogue - Don't Let Go (Love)
I hope Heavenly & Celena can work through it
I'm sorry but I was definitely around for pop bands when B*Witched came out and they had a few hits but they were never actually that big a deal... they were square and dull with their denim and hairclips and I never met anyone who was actually a fan, people enjoyed a handful of their songs and that's the extent of the care. They act like they were mobbed by hysterical superfans for years all around the world. They weren't even on the radar for a year.
i loved them i had their albums and book
Bwitcheds first album was huge
sarah Hill me too
I'm Always Right yup
I’m from the US and the only groups from this that I’ve ever heard of was B*Witched and Five...and they were just 1 hit wonders
Lee you will find someone better... God bless...
I feel for Selena coz they were on a verge of making it big in the US..
If it was me, I might not be able to forgive heavenli
Honeyz could have been as big as the US R & B Group SWV (Sisters With Voices). They may have had a problem with taking the name Essence because that's the name of America's Longest Running Magazine for Black Women that debuted in 1970. Bewitched holds the distinction of being the only UK Girl Group with Twins the same way The Shangri-Las had in the 1960's.
laminage B*Witched are Irish...
I stand corrected. These Folks should be proud of themselves. At least they are trying to put thei differences aside to do this. On US Soil, we may not see that with Groups of this Calibre. O-Town, LMNT (Which Consisted Of Three Guys Who didn't make O-Town), Eden's Crush (The Group Nicole Scherzinger was in before she became a Pussycat Doll) 702 (Who were an up and coming Girl Group at Motown whose only Hit Record was Where My Girls At) and 3LW (Three Little Women) who had a Group Member 5th Harmony who got let go for being Dark Skinned. I hope that Little Mix & Fifth Harmony learn from these guys.
How it will go sweetie is that you will have three gals that can actually sing...
When I saw the Pic of The Honeyz at around 12:24 was so beautiful. Looking back if Essence had done a Profile on Soul Sistas across the Ocean and if The Internet had taken off, they could have been on Soul Train in a heartbeat.
If there was one thing that A Record Label won't put up with is "Drama" with Girl Groups and The Honeyz were very lucky. They didn't have to fight to use the Name like Florence Ballard did after getting fired from The Supremes. Also, if you think you can go from one record label who made you famous and go to a new label and continue the magic, think again. With the exception of The Jackson Five, every Act who left Motown found their careers go down the drain.
I should mention that The Isley Brothers did just as well "After" Motown as well as Gladys Knight & The Pips who were already "Polished" who didn't need Motown's Charm School like so many others did.
I really prefer the second line-up of Honeyz, with Mariama. She is much more endearing and genuine than Heavenli.
100% agree
The thing is Naima and Mariama never liked each other...plus Naima can't sing...if Heavenli was not so narcissistic and mad to Celena, this line-up (Celena, Heav and Mariama) would be the perfect one
@@_AceReject Naima is a better singer than the likes of Victoria Beckham, Geri Halliwell, Jenny Frost… I can keep going all day. Heavenli isn't that great of a singer either, that's why she always had to lip-sync back in the day while Celena sang live. Major part of the things said during The Big Reunion were fabricated, for example; the thing about Naima "trying to steal" Mariama's boyfriend, when said by Mariama on the Honeyz's website back then - he was just a guy she fancied; not long after she started dating Ritchie from Five.
Naima was the cause
You can tell Naima was one of those popular pretty girls in school who bullied others. She bullied Mariama; telling her what she can and can't wear, trying to steal her boyfriend etc. And she didn't contribute anything of value to the group 😊
En Vogue would be perfect to go to the UK and talked to The Children there. They were the Group that influenced TLC and Destiny's Child who were once called "The Supremes Of The MTV Generation" and they went through their own issues.
Is Heavenli alright? She speaks like she's had a head injury.
She's just very softly spoken
@@JohnnyMac95 I like the way she pronounces her "p"s at the end of a word, like at the end of "group" lol
I love that B*witched tshirts etc is considered too sexy back then haha. Oh how times have changed.
And most of the bands weren't going for their first reunion - Five tried to reunite with J and without Sean about three years ago, 911 have been touring in the last year, and Blue joined the show right after fulfilling prior band commitments!
Celina and Naima must have been a little difficult to have had two members to leave in succession.
Honestly that's how it's coming across. Especially Celina, her whole persona and how she keeps banging on about how someone else ruined her life. When not talking about her faults.
I think they both were difficult. But something tells me Naima was worse. She wanted to be the pretty one, she flirted with people's boyfriends etc
yeah what reason did heavenly have to lose a big ameican record deal and why did she come back
She was miserable but was forced to come back.
the honeyz would have been so much bigger
No probs
I would have told Heavenly to piss off.
I've never heard of honeyz! :/
I'd never heard of them either until the show was announced - same with 911. But I was very familiar with 5ive, B*Witched, Atomic Kitten, Blue and Liberty X.
I never have either and if the best looking bands arent atomic kitten,i think this show lies with their facts.iam watchining because I love your music ten times better than in my country[usa].you have great bands and even now you have rixton,one direction,the vamp,and union j.i know Australia has 32 seconds of summer but its a matte of time until the uk gets them.you have something we have never had and that a girls band.ive never been crazy over the spice girls,but girls aloud,the Saturdays.,atomic kitten,and the sugababes kicked ass. for the big reunion not to say atomic kitten wasn't the best looking girl band they are on drugs,atomic kitten was beautiful and sill are,i wish Kerry had straight hair though
Willam Daniel Since when have 5 Seconds of Summer been called 32 Seconds of Summer? They're already hugely popular here BTW
Oh I LOVED Honeyz x
Love bewitched but never heard of honeyz
I hadn't until I saw this either because I'm from the US. I was obsessed with B*Witched though!
Subject to the BIG Reunion hype Honeyz werent that much of a big deal in the UK from my memory growing up they were a poor mans Eternal
You're clearly too young x
Seems like both groups were out at the same time.
Well now you have
Lesbian vibes from Edele
Abzz be from Jamaica man. What part? Right near da beach BOYYY
The Big Reunion is so SCRIPTED. There is a good reason why Heavenli left the group in 1999 which the Big Reunion is not reporting on. It was Celena who invited Heavenli to rejoin the group - there was no surprise meeting which she claimed their management set-up.
Even Heavenli is implying the show is so scripted - on a recent twitter update she wrote:
"Adaptations of the truth... :) some actual, some factual, others spun into villain/victim stories for TV drama! #BigReunion amusing!"
So true. The second season, even more so. The second season felt really jumpy, because of the editing.
The part of Celena "inviting Heavenli to rejoin" is false, they have been saying that she rejoined the group by a meeting with management since back then when she rejoined. Either way, it was over for the Honeyz when Mariama left.
Damn girl
Honestly, so would I ;)
So Mariama came from Solid Harmonie. I thought recognised her.
Heavenlii was just bitter that Celena was front and.centre
I'm not so sure about that. Celena seems extremely entitled and selfish, and I'm not surprised Heavenli didn't stick around. Celena doesn't seem to have cared at all what the girls were feeling or going through, just wanted to get to #1.
@@TheLizzifer Well, you should be - considering Heavenli was the very first member of the Honeyz, as well as the original lead singer of the group before Celena joined. It's obvious that Heavenli's issue was Celena being the lead singer, nothing more nothing less. Celena actually cared about her bandmates, if you watched the show - you'd have been able to tell that Celena and Mariama are very close. Plus, Celena showed more affection towards Heavenli than Heavenli every showed towards her. I don't know what's with you all and those "opinions", it's as if I'm watching a different TV show than you all.
Also Boyzone did a Show with Fellow Irish Lass Nadine Coyle of Girls Aloud who got fired from the Irish Popstars Group Six for lying about her age.
18:18 I love Keavy's top
What is the song in the background at 12:42 and 13:12?
She wasn't able to cos with those Manufactured Groups, they're not allowed to be on their own, its either all of them or nothing at all.
Heavenlli is a right two faced person isn't she. Then left again!
Heavenli couldn't really sing either so her En Vogue aspiration was a bit far fetched.
CathalRM Breathnach I'm friends with Heavenli and if there is one thing I can say about her is that I have never heard someone sing happy birthday as well as her
En Vogue were a major influence on The "Original" Destiny's Child as well as TLC. It's so sad that a misunderstanding can destroy what could have been a big thing.
Hard to believe that he also helped Nadine Coyle whom he knew from Irish Popstars and UK Popstars.
You talking about Louis Walsh? Don't forget Jedward, lol. But in all seriousness I think Westlife were his biggest success
@@MVK123 I am Canadian so I am not as knowledgeable as you are.
Does anybody know what's the song that sounds during 27:12-27;50?
"Anything Could Happen" by Ellie Goulding
I was today years old when I found out the Honeyz had 2 lineups..
That Heaven-ly chick is SUPER weird though lol.
Heavenli used to look like Janet Jackson
I loved the B*Witched songs "Hold on" and "Mickey"
Mickey was a One Hit Wonder for Toni Basil who was also a Choreographer for The Concert Movie The TAMI Show. Here's another fun fact. In the US both Wilson Phillips & En Vogue were in the Top Ten at The Same Time with Songs that had the exact same Title "Hold On", yet they had different lyrics. Also Carnie Wilson said when she heard En Vogue for the first time, she was blown away.
KT926 same
I don’t think she looks anything like Janet!
Wasn't it Lolly who had a number 1 with her cover of Mickey? Definitely not Bewitched
Heavenli broke her promise
Honeyz are a cut above the rest!
At 16:47 they are using "Something New" by Girls Aloud.
Louis & Simon are horrible people
Yes. Linzi went on The X Factor and Simon told her to give it up, she didn't have what it took to make it. Heartbreaking and her downfall reminds me of Florence Ballard of The Supremes who fell on hard times had to move herself, children, and Mother into a Low Income Housing Project. In 1976 she dies at 32 and her Kids still play the "Momma got screwed over by Motown".
laminage Lindsey
@Ben Sapida - Anything Can Happen by Ellie Goulding!
I don't wanna believe you but you sounded like you are telling the truth... this show is full of untold stories but I guess it's better left unsaid...
Maybe there's a reason the Honeyz couldn't keep three members 🤔....
They wouldn't have been able to be called Essence because that's the Name of a African American Women's Magazine.
laminage There's also a magazine called Vogue. Didn't stop En Vogue.
Yes you are so right on but I wonder if it's because they used "En" instead of just Vogue. In The US they are fanatical about Group's Names and ownership rights. Alot of Motown Artists had problems using their Group Names ie The Supremes, The Temptations, The Miracles & The Jackson Five after they left. Also I remember seeing on The US Show Entertainment Tonight how Two Groups said They were The Crystals & Shangri-Las and they weren't. All Also, there are alot of R & B Groups who perform as The Crests, Flamingos, Monotones, Platters and they aren't.
world record >> meaning "world" = UK..lol
20 years? It's barely 10 years.
What's the song in 2:40?
‘Anything could happen’ by Ellie Goulding
bewitched sucked, their voices sounded like cats screaming. honeyz was pretty good, still sounds good now. that being said, i still bought bewitched's and honeyz's albums back in the day.
What is the name of the song at 4.32
It’s En Vogue ‘Don’t let Go.’
its not true not the B*Witched was the fist girl group who have their first 4 single number one because the Spice Girls already did that before them . the Spice girls have 9 uk number one all together , 3 Christmas uk number one in a row , and the spice girls have their first 6 single went to number one before the B*Witched ...so its bullshit
Wannabe didn't debut at no.1 it debuted at no.3 then climbed to no.1 the following week. So yeah sadly they beat the SG record! #sgrulz
Liam Prentice the spice girls were eye candy and bewitch was better.they werent models just sang.why does people like the spice girls.are they better than girls alound and the Saturdays.people loved Victoria because of her whitney Houston type voice.to be truthful when she wore the cat suite I was like oh my god. got to have eye candy for the guys to come cal,and the girls felt female power with the spice girls.eye cany.
peterszecsi bwitched went straight to number 1, spice girls didn't
@@Djlemo78 source?
peterszecsi yup
The big reunion Our Honeyz B*Witched Atomic Kitten Liberty X Blue 911 Five seeing that there Reunion for more pop music being on stage singing dancing to most fames songs but B*Witched And Honeyz our on taking about who there felt about being in girl group who there or back on tour with rest of pop group again with new photos and atomic Kitten B*Witched Honeyz the girls from Liberty X Jessica Michelle Kelly Our doing calenders girls photos with Sunflowers Scones Cakes Jams Daffads bluebells As well I love Girl Thing there where spice girls so is Honeyz B*Witched Atomic Kitten Liberty X even there did popstars with hear'say but get win but cared on anyway with singing dancing making tours And Albums Singles photos lots of stuff like rest of pop groups the big reunion 2013 🌞🇬🇧🦋😁🤗😋🌻💗🥰🍍🌺🍯
Hev quite nasty really xxxx
I dont know who the Honeyz are kidding...i really dont think they were gonna be "huge"
Mark VK I remember the buzz around them back in the day. Trust me, if things had gone to plan they would have been a lot more successful than they were. Sadly, the public were not here for the line up changes and it hindered them greatly despite continuing to have successful singles. People don’t want to emotionally invest in a group that’s forever changing their line up - same thing happened with Sugababes in the end. It all becomes a bit of a joke.
Signing to Def Jam is a monumental achievement, one reserved for true talent. I was a boy of 9 years old when they first rose to prominence, and yeah, if things had gone according to the original plan then they would have been on the level with Destiny's Child
Boo hoo, if two people leave your group, then it's not meant to be. Get over it and quit acting like they owe you something.
Genuine Feline if you leave the group then your career is ruined. I would most definitely be fucking pissed off if someone left my group and I'll never forgive them
Imagine yourself working your arse off to secure a £1m deal and then it’s taken away from you because of someone else’s actions. Yeah, I think I’d be pretty pissed off too...
Martin Truman yeah
@@hellobye7697 Yep. Sisqo of Dru Hill thought that because his Debut Solo Album Unleash The Dragon was such a Smash with "The Thong Song" and "Incomplete" but his Second Album tanked and he thought he could make a Girlband Luvher successful and it didn't work out. Also Sisqo thought he was to Dru Hill what Justin Timberlake was to N'Sync.
I’m sorry but what heavenli did was so stupid,
I always felt Naima destroyed the band.
Then you must be very deluded.
wow , i just got reminded how shit the late 90s and early 2000s were. the pop stars were not even trying to be even remotely credible or musically talented or skilled in any shape or form. they were quite happy to be as shit as anything just as long as they were getting attention, fame and lots of money - at least more money than they would have gotten had they ended up stacking shelves in a local supermarket as their educational levels would have them do.
Ummm 90's and 00's are better then now days.
Take note that the trend and standards today and back then were very different. Late 90s and early 2000s weren't too negatively critical (accg to us listeners), hence we don't see much of their true selves behind the stage back then until now. Same thing can even be said to some rock and hiphop bands that time. And that was what the emergence of pop was all about that time: simple, friendly, edgy, personality, sorta conservative, too sensationalized despite what shit they try to spark up in the airwaves. It just so happens in the late 2000s until now that people become critical about artists' credibility thanks to more advanced technology such as autotune and social media, where anybody can see who these artists actually are and openly talk shit about them. Not to mention how extremely sexualized most artists were now in contrast to these past bands. Better double check what you know about these artists because you need to research more about the late 90s-2000s as well as what's vividly happening with the artists from today's era.