This seems like one of those techniques thrown in for completeness or amusement like Lecküchner's Bag. If it was, then the intro might be as historically accurate as you could possibly get! Love these videos!
Another great video, long anticipated. Started and finished with a laugh out loud moment. A very detailed and fair interpretation. Like most written plays it is very situational, forms part of the whole, required to develop understanding. Keep them coming.
For me, that I have a mixture of weapon martial arts and tend to play around grabing the blade a lot (even live/free blades when it's on range), it requires a set up that surprise the opponent, it can't be "i will throw many overhaus until I decide and you block/resist", and that would align with why "kind of worked" fooling around. Will try to test it to see what we can find, thanks for sharing your knowledge and findings on this
@@Izhkoort Yes, either the attack as a setup needs to be surprising or any other scenario should be approached in which the opponent has a kind of "reaction twitch" or something, so there's a little moment of hesitation. I'm sure there are a lot of ways to create such situations. Looking forward to see what you come up with! - Ulrik
A thought on the grab itself; (Do not have anyone around to test this so it is purely a thought) I would try grabbing at the blade like you did, however I would go more toward the crossguard with the intent to jam my thumb down ontop of the other persons thumb/fingers causing them to release slightly as I twist it from them.
@@bobsnow4890 That is a possibility to make it work a tad better, yes. However, I'm often not sure about approaches that need a focus on so much detail and precise movement, because in my experience it tightens the widow of opportunity for success drastically. But it's a sensible approach, will take it in consideration, thanks! -Ulrik
Interesting, may it be that the distance should be shorter and probably pressure on the displacement should be applied to slow the reaction. Also moving a little in the direction of the messer might be helpful as well. Not a Messer practitioner looking at it from the longsword perspective
Very interesting video to any messerist out there. What kind of gloves are you using ? I recognize a pair of Thokk but I don't know what the others are.
Glad you like it. I need to make a video on it at some point. The curved Messer I am using here is an older custom from Landsknecht Emporium. We called it the Kleinkriegsmesser, because it is basically a sized down Kriegsmesser. I think in total 3 were made, with mine being the prototype. - Peter
Yea, that was the plan. I might get the grip refurbished before that. Typical for a Messer, it has suffered over the years :) Regarding the classification, I actually had to check back with Ádám. He said it is a bit of an edge case, but that he would call it a 3D+. - Peter
@@die.freifechter Yep, that Kleinkriegsmesser looks lovely. I want a slightly curved blade and a slightly curved grip on a messer sometime in the future. There's something that looks nice about this combination.
Противник не всегда в лучшей своей форме и не всегда хочет идти до конца, техники против ножа и вроде этих срабатывают хорошо в этих моментах. Зачастую врага надо ослабить, например сильным ударом по пальцам.
Very true, yes. Like many other techniques, this one probably has a place and a time, but not one that is easy to get to in the situations we fence in today. We fence with partners, are generally only fencing when we want to and are in the shape for it, and we do it as safely as we can. We do not soften our partner up with harassing cuts or strikes, before doing a technique. All very different from the situations the Glasgow plays were written for. - Peter
This seems like one of those techniques thrown in for completeness or amusement like Lecküchner's Bag. If it was, then the intro might be as historically accurate as you could possibly get! Love these videos!
Might be, we'll never know. But I love the sentiment, and thank you! - Ulrik
Another great video, long anticipated. Started and finished with a laugh out loud moment. A very detailed and fair interpretation. Like most written plays it is very situational, forms part of the whole, required to develop understanding. Keep them coming.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
The mean gesture was more devastating than the technique
Contrary to the technique, it was aimed at my feelings. 🥲 -Ulrik
5:47 After Peter committed seppuku, Ulrik inherited Peter's Kleinkriegsmesser. This was the plan, all along.
@@heirihunziker Psst, don't tell Peter. 😅 -Ulrik
I can read these, you know?
- Peter
Daaamn.
-Ulrik
For me, that I have a mixture of weapon martial arts and tend to play around grabing the blade a lot (even live/free blades when it's on range), it requires a set up that surprise the opponent, it can't be "i will throw many overhaus until I decide and you block/resist", and that would align with why "kind of worked" fooling around. Will try to test it to see what we can find, thanks for sharing your knowledge and findings on this
@@Izhkoort Yes, either the attack as a setup needs to be surprising or any other scenario should be approached in which the opponent has a kind of "reaction twitch" or something, so there's a little moment of hesitation. I'm sure there are a lot of ways to create such situations.
Looking forward to see what you come up with!
- Ulrik
Please continue with the Glasgow Fechtbuch series. I want to go through your videos, reproducing each play (3 more months until I get my trainer 😉).
A thought on the grab itself; (Do not have anyone around to test this so it is purely a thought) I would try grabbing at the blade like you did, however I would go more toward the crossguard with the intent to jam my thumb down ontop of the other persons thumb/fingers causing them to release slightly as I twist it from them.
@@bobsnow4890 That is a possibility to make it work a tad better, yes.
However, I'm often not sure about approaches that need a focus on so much detail and precise movement, because in my experience it tightens the widow of opportunity for success drastically.
But it's a sensible approach, will take it in consideration, thanks!
-Ulrik
Interesting, may it be that the distance should be shorter and probably pressure on the displacement should be applied to slow the reaction.
Also moving a little in the direction of the messer might be helpful as well.
Not a Messer practitioner looking at it from the longsword perspective
Very interesting video to any messerist out there. What kind of gloves are you using ? I recognize a pair of Thokk but I don't know what the others are.
Peter, Where did you obtain the beautiful messer in this video ？
Glad you like it. I need to make a video on it at some point.
The curved Messer I am using here is an older custom from Landsknecht Emporium. We called it the Kleinkriegsmesser, because it is basically a sized down Kriegsmesser.
I think in total 3 were made, with mine being the prototype.
- Peter
@@die.freifechter This looks really elegant, is this a M3D+? I really want to get it. Will there be a review of it with detailed data like before?
Yea, that was the plan. I might get the grip refurbished before that. Typical for a Messer, it has suffered over the years :)
Regarding the classification, I actually had to check back with Ádám. He said it is a bit of an edge case, but that he would call it a 3D+.
- Peter
@@die.freifechter Yep, that Kleinkriegsmesser looks lovely. I want a slightly curved blade and a slightly curved grip on a messer sometime in the future. There's something that looks nice about this combination.
@FiliiMartis look like Chinese Qing oxtail saber
Противник не всегда в лучшей своей форме и не всегда хочет идти до конца, техники против ножа и вроде этих срабатывают хорошо в этих моментах.
Зачастую врага надо ослабить, например сильным ударом по пальцам.
Very true, yes.
Like many other techniques, this one probably has a place and a time, but not one that is easy to get to in the situations we fence in today.
We fence with partners, are generally only fencing when we want to and are in the shape for it, and we do it as safely as we can. We do not soften our partner up with harassing cuts or strikes, before doing a technique.
All very different from the situations the Glasgow plays were written for.
- Peter