LITHIUM VS AGM BATTERY for Overlanding. Should I spend the money?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- AGM vs Lithium. Get past the sales talk of lithium batteries and understand the facts.
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Very well done. I had my lithium’s shut down on me last year and wouldn’t take charge. Did the same thing as described with another battery and woke up the charger.
Great questions and a great report. Keep up the good work
Amazing video Andrew! Easy to understand and great information for all of us. I've been dying to get hold of a Lithium Battery in Malaysia but can't find one. Keep up the great work you are doing for the 4x4/overlanding community!!
This was a really helpful video. especially the last part about when you run a AGM or SLA off an inverter, compared to a Lithium battery.
Good informative video on lithium battery purchase breakdown. Thank you both for discussing this topic for us uninitiated campers !
Great video Andrew. Heiner (sorry if I misspelt his name) is fantastic at giving clear explanations of the technology and the function of the batteries. You both did a great job. Really enjoyed it and feel much more confident about the value and limitations of lithium batteries. Thanks lads.
Awesome. I learned a lot.
I would live to see some info on putting Lithium batteries in a solar setup.
082220/1628pst. That was the most intelligent discussion, educational even. The presentation was not scripted, the two people exchanged views and comments that came out quite naturally, which is very commendable. The gentleman in yellow Jacket explained well to the other gentleman, who was quite inquisitive to understand the intricacies of flooded Pb cell batteries and the LiFePo4 batteries, or the comparison between the two. I have yet to come across such intelligent program in YT in my life. No comments on “ others!” You know what I mean !
Thank you, both of you. My respects and 73s...
Fantastic video. Answered a lot of questions. Very well presented. Great stuff!!
Great video, Andrew. I have just got into lithium power, all the factors of this new technology add up and significantly outweigh the larger initial outlay in dollar terms. I won't even mention the weight savings
Great video and really helpful. The comment about Prismatic cells confused me as it conflicted with some other research I have done. What I have identified is that some manufacturers provide protection both in terms of physical (explosion proof jacket) and electrical (internal fuses) at a cell level. Prismatic cells are bigger and therefore both more dangerous in the case of explosion and cylinder cells. Cylindrical cells because there are more of them, have more redundancy at a cell level so a problem with a single is less likely to be as serious. So it may be more true to say that the quality of the cells used is more important, and a reflection of cost, than whether they are prismatic or cylinder.
As someone that's trying to get a rig put together, and looking at the differences between these two batteries I really appreciate all this information, especially about how bad of an idea it is to put a lithium battery under the hood. Tons of great information here, thank you! I'll have to check out more of your video's. :D
Really nice video Andrew. Heiner seems to really know his stuff.
Great video Andrew and Heiner, thank you.👍
Lovely, very good help. And learned a whole lot. Thank you. And more power.
O man I have been watching so many videos on lithium batteries but this has put it in a way I could understand. Thanks so much. Brilliant.
Love your work Andrew! Keep it up! I had so many questions about Lithium batteries and this is very insightful and answer almost all my questions, except 1. Almost all battery chargers and gauges measure the voltage of the battery to determine its state of charge. But since the Lithium battery has a virtually constant voltage (until shutoff), how do you measure/determine its state of charge?
Great info Andrew! Great idea to go to the shop and compare....
thank you for other great detail video on new type battley system as look put together 24v down 12v system for over land tour build in my truck
We just upgraded from AGM's to Lithiums by building our own battery bank on our sailboat (we liveaboard) using 180 amp hour, 3.6-volt CALB cells, and a DALY BMS, wiring the cells in a 4s2p orientation. So stoked on the upgrade! We charge our lithiums in 2 different ways. We send the power from our 120 amp Balmar alternator on our engine to our 100 amp-hour sealed lead-acid starter battery. From there a Renogy 60 amp DC-DC charger takes the load from the alternator and puts it in a lithium profile and in turn charges the lithium batteries. It was a fun build!
Very entertaining and informative; thanks for making our lockdown a bit easier sir.
FYI: Pb Crystal batterie are still available in OZ...
That was great never could get my head around all that in the past but know light bulb has gone on. Thank you 👍👍
Extremely informative, thank you!
Good info! Thanks for the video, George.
you gonna love the lithium, enjoy. Surprised that your redarc jump started the management system. I have to jump start the management system on my batteries.
I wonder if its because I have 2 75 amp batteries and you only had one for the test. Will be interesting to see once you have fitted both??? Maybe a follow up on this episode? or maybe its the relion management system vs the Amtron?
As you saw on mine I have linked my started motor to the lithium batteries using a kill switch, so its hassle free to jump start both ways if needed.
Really good information Andrew. Thank you to you both
I’ve a lithium and matched with a redarc BCDC the advantages are amazing . Just the weight and capacity are enough on why I really like my set up. Steve 🇦🇺
Thanks Andrew, stay safe and healthy!
Great video.
Can you charge a lithium battery with a Epever mppt charge controller.
I believe it has a special setting??
Super great information given here. Thank you Andrew.
That was brilliant mate and easily understood. Thanks👍
So informative, thanks for doing this for us.
Excellent video! Thanks for this one.
You asked all the right questions, and Heiner answered very well. The first thing he answered well, was that the Lithium battery case is just a "housing" of the bits inside, so that case and how it looks is the thing that actually confuses everything...because if the look the same, then it should be the same, and that is where the issue starts. Lithiums are fantastic BUT you have to match and design it to work how you want, and unless you are technical at heart, you will struggle. You just started to touch on connecting multiple batteries at the end of the clip, and that is really when it gets complicated...if you need 24V or >200AH...then you really need to match and understand....whereas AGM's you can really still connect them in parallel and/or serial as you see fit, and when you need to...LifePo4 need planning. Great Video.
Awesome. Answered many of my questions.
nice questions and explanation by the technician. just the one i have been looking for
Great info! Love the free flowing nature of the video.
I really like this video as with most of them. I would like to point out something in regards to the dc to dc charger vs. charging from the alternator. If you have a Smart alternator which many new or late model vehicles have you must use a dc to dc charger with any battery, Gel, Lead acid, Lithium etc... in order to achieve a full charge.
Superb! Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
Good simple explanations, thank you.
I learned a lot from this. Thank you. I could put a lithium starter under my seat in my Defender but then I heard 1. The price and 2. The trickle charge issue. So I'll stick with AGM for my starter battery.
I would not see the value in going lithium for a starter battery. Lead acid performs very well in this usage.
Great discussion Andrew, proper honest vid i feel
Hi Andrew, I have a 120ah Lead crystal battery have done for a few years, after watching the video and the comment of possibly not being able to purchase Lead crystal batteries in Australia anymore, I had a look and there appears that you can still purchase them.
Trailer camper Australia was one of the sellers.
Companies in the USA are selling these now with 11 year warranties. But I live in a hot climate, so how long are these going to last in the Oz heat?
Thank you very much Andrew I learned alot from that video.
Thank you both for the information. I am getting a much better understanding of lithium technology.
Rocking the William Painter Sunglasses... (I have seen their ad too many times).
brilliant educational content. keep em coming
Really great….to the point, information ! Thanks for sharing!
thank you for clearing up alot of questions about lithium batteries great clip
I’ve just installed a 1500w inverter to make coffees on the road, I’ve got 1x 100amp agm and 1x 75amp agm with my car running and a 40amp dcdc charger charging the 2 batteries the voltage drops to 11.6v from 14.4v . I’ll be interested to see how many cycles I get .
I have one big question left after this brilliant and very educational video: how or more when you gonna charge these batteries, when they don't like to be charged all the time by just a little. I mean, practically, you charge them, start your trip, use them for let's say 1 day and they are down to 70%. Do you then just switch off the charger and wait until it's down to 10% and only then switch the charger back on? But then you plan to just stay in one place for another 2 days but then your battery is flat?! How this works in real life?
I am curious about how to set up and run duel batteries. It would be nice if you make a video about duel battery use also, that includes conventional and lithium.
Looks so funny when you pick it up like that. Very good video
Nice work best real world review of the lithium vs AGM
I had a lead crystal battery have a cell or 2 drop late last year and it was replaced under warranty. I note this only to note that they clearly could supply the replacement in Australia.
Can you please do a video about the different between lithium and lead crystal battery please
Brilliant, really enjoyed this video.
Very informative, thanks Andrew
Great content... yet another ripper flick mate. Cheers
Great subject, great video, thank you.
Awesome information. Thanks. I have a Ctek DCDC charging an AGM. Will the Ctek charge a lithium if I change over.
We just upgraded from AGM's to Lithiums by building our own battery bank on our sailboat (we liveaboard) using 180 amp hour, 3.6-volt CALB cells, and a DALY BMS, wiring the cells in a 4s2p orientation. So stoked on the upgrade! We charge our lithiums in 2 different ways. We send the power from our 120 amp Balmar alternator on our engine to our 100 amp-hour sealed lead-acid starter battery. From there a Renogy 60 amp DC-DC charger takes the load from the alternator and puts it in a lithium profile and in turn charges the lithium batteries. It was a fun build!
Prismatic.... New word of the day.
there are three standard formats for Li-ion batteries: cylindrical, prismatic and pouch.
Prismatic. Sounds like religious nomenclature when spoken softly.
What a great video 👍👍👍👍👍 Thank you so much for explaining all that about battery's. 👍👍👍👍👍
Am i understanding this correctly, apart from weight difference, I am guessing its ideal as a 2nd battery for fridges, access etc and being charged by a BCDC charger... has a super fast recharge time.... and the fact it lasts longer before going flat because it has more usable Amp power in store... is that right and do they come in 120amp?
Exceptional explanation... thank you so very much!
Fantastic informative video Andrew (as usual). Thanks so much for putting it together and thanks to Heiner too. Really informative and contains great, simple to digest detail. Lithium all the way. 👍
I'm afraid I have to disagree with the prismatic being better. Especially in an off road scenario. Cylindrical cells are wound tightly and encased in a metal casing, This minimizes electrode material from breaking up from mechanical vibrations, thermal cycling from charging and mechanical expansion. The complete opposite to prismatic construction ! Remember those Optima glass matt super tough off road starter batteries from the 90s? No coincidence each cell was constructed in a cylindrical manner.
Nice pair of William painter sunglasses Andrew. I had the same pair many years ago
Great video. Was tempted to replace my AGM battery with Lithium but now I need to ensure my inverter and my charge controller can stop charging once the battery is full, meaning i will need to further invest in a shunt.
most smart charge controllers know when to shut off and that is why you use a proper charge controller rather than a dumb isolator switch.
How long can the battery keep its charge if it isnt being used?
Great video.. great information.
Thank you for the video. Where is the optimal place to store the lithium battery if not in the engine bay? Inside a locked car during summer the temp can also be over 40 etc?
True. But not 80-100° as can happen in the engine bay.
I just ordered 2 x Amptron 100ah batteries thanks to you! 👍👍
nice video .. i have a 100 series toyota lans cruiser 4.2 diesel 12v. in santo domingo witch batterie wil be better i use dual battery
The vehicle is irrelevant. What will the battery be running? How much current is needed? And for how long. And how is it being charged?
I had issues with mine from a perth company where it ran down so low it needed large number of amps to reboot the BM. Alternator could not produce enough amps so went to battery shop who had a special charger that fixed v issue.
Wish I had brought a better battery....next one will be.
Btw have same redarc charger
I must surely add the price of a DC DC charger to the lithium price as well?. And does the dcdc also charge my lead acids that sit in engine bay?
Great vid. I have a boat that has an electric motor on it and it is 55lb which is basically 55 amp draw for one hour at max speed or am I miss understanding it. My battery is agm century 120 ah and I noticed the other day when I was trolling my boat was not moving as good as it used to do. I charge my battery every day on trickle charge when it’s not in use and never charge it in hot days or cold nights and didn’t charge it for month as my charger was broken now I feel like my battery is not working right. What’s a good test I can do before I spend more money as I am looking at 200ah so when I go for two day bream comps and may not be able to charge it will this be better fit for my needs. Sry if I make no sense but I’m confused as at first the battery was great n charged it after use very much straight away till it sits on the float part of charging now when I go fishing if I troll for 35 mins straight at middle point of my motors power draw the boat doesn’t move as good as it used to. Great channel and picked up few tips.
Very informative, Thank you.
Great info
Will be definitely going lithium in the new zook
Weight is the biggest thing for me
Very unclear definition as there are several DIFFERENT Lithium battery technologies. Main known ones are LiPo and LiFePo. The former is used in phones, Electric cars etc as it has higher energy density. But also the known ,explosive fire, variety. It use allows smallest size for given energy capacity. The storage battery presented is LiFePo variety, where the far more stable, less fire prone technology is better, at small loss of energy capacity for given volume is of no concern. But for clarity this presentation should not refer to just 'Lithium' battery but state the technology specifics. Even the optimal charging is affected by Lithium technolgy used.
Hey Andrew love your videos , can you start adding links to products you mention in info, it would be really useful , cheers Leon ...
This video is a Godsend but I still have one question. In order to provide optimum conditions for a long service life what level of charge is preferred by lithium batteries before recharging.
Should i/should i not wire a winch to my secondary lithium battery and use winch while running engine, or always wire winch to lead acid starter battery and use when engine running?
Winch to the starter battery. The lithium can't supply the required amps.
I just bought an Ultra lead carbon battery, which so far seems amazing in terms of charging speed from Solar and can go to deeper discharge than AGM. (same price as AGM) Biggest issue for me with battery systems is the ridiculous prices for the DC to DC chargers like red arc.
Mark Jennings
You are correct in the price for the Battery management systems as lithium set up is expensive (chargers or bms), i have a back up power system in the house and was advised not to go lithium because of the risk of thermal runaway inside a house. AGM's have there down side but until lithium batteries is improved a bit more i will stick with the old tried and tested AGM batteries.
Good day Andrew, any info about GEL batteries..?
I may change my set up to Lithium, I have a 120 amp agm charged by a 1240 3 stage dc /dc unit . I’m guessing that won’t have a lithium profile for a new set up , am I right ? Also I have a 3000 w pure sine wave inverter to hook in ,Will I need as explained in this video need to parallel 2 100 amp lithium’s to drive it
Andrew. I am looking to replace my three 110amp 7 year old Full River AGM deep cycle batteries .
The batteries are housed in a rack under the tray of my Iveco 4x4.
I became keen on the Enerdrive e power B tec lithium batteries.
Reading the fine print the Enerdrive are not suitable for fitment in exposed weather eg under the tray for a 4x4 truck or under the chasis of a caravan.Is that the norm for lithium in general? Also some suppliers are saying lithium should not be connected in series. Say if I want to add an additional battery later.
The best explanation ever, thankyou👍👍
How does the Lithium compare to Lead Carbon ,fantastic information great skill set for 1st timer's
Excellent discussion. However, here in the US we have a wide range of weather. During the year I can travel areas where the temperature can vary between -10 (-23C) to 115 (46C). At his time lithium batteries have complications when dealing with weather extremes that my 8D AGM’s don’t have. I’m excited about lithium battery potential, but right now they don’t answer all my needs like an AGM does.
so can it be a combo hybrid batery liuthiu + agm sort of ?
I want to know about DC to DC chargers now since I cant directly power it directly to the alternator.
You can use an alternator controller which will knock the current down to a good level that the lithium battery will take
And I am also curious about Silver Cell batteries. Do you know anything about them?
Great info explained clearly great job
How are you monitoring the state of charge?
Hi Andrew , if I wanted to wire up two 120amh lithium batteries to run a 24v electric motor do you wire them up the same as normal AGM batteries ? Also would a 24v Ctek charger be ok to charge them as a single unit ? I am under the impression that the Ctek chargers also shut off when the batteries are fully charged and I correct ? Sorry for the list of questions but I am not very good with electric tech .
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Great video! 👌
Very clearly presented information and makes this new world of lithium 12V batteries much less daunting for amateurs like me! 😊
Keep up the good work.
Glad it was helpful!
@@4xoverland it certainly was! One question that I have after watching the video is if I am to upgrade my camper trailer system from AGM to lithium, would it be better to have 2 x 100-120ah batteries connected in parallel or one large capacity 200ah battery? i.e. Does having 2 x batteries provide a redundancy if one fails, or if one fails are you in trouble? Cheers
Great content as always
I learned all of this when I quit smoking and started vaping , hahaha. Li-on batteries are great. Seems like there could be a little capacitor that would at least allow the charger to "see" the battery when its flat though. It will get normal really soon. AGM batteries are gonna be antiques .....maybe in the morning
So for engine compartment stored batteries. Extreme heat with lithiums is a concern in the desert temps of 100°f plus. Under hood temps can reach 200°f plus. The interior/cab alone here in south west Arizona can reach 122°f.