She isn't going to marry anyone. The marriage allegation in the episode 9 script wasn't supposed to happen. Alicent, we saw in the show, would ultimately confront Otto and take control of the Greens. In the trailer, Otto is telling her that she must accept the path to victory is one of violence. My theory is that Alicent will be hesitant about the war in the early scenes until a Blood and chese occurs. Paralleling Rhaenyra's experience with Luke, the death of Jaehaerys is what changes her and drives her to be fully committed to this war. In the trailer, she seems to be coming to terms with how her past life, serving the realm and her house and being a decent queen didn't lead her where she envisioned. The bath could be some sort of rebirth, signaling an evolution of the character into a different path.
yup they need to give characters like Alicent and Halena that was mostly background characters during the dance something to do. Hell they need to give Rhaenyra something to do, expect for an action or two she was mostly just hanging around Dragon stone.
They can give them less scenes rather than forcing into scenes. Every character should serve a purpose to the story the writers want to tell. I am sick of fan favorites being shoehorned into more scenes at expense of the writing quality. Also when there is good writing, political intrigue can be just as exciting as a battle. She doesn't need to do anything other than serve her purpose in the story. Please no more Arya like writing. All respect to the actress but the writers failed her.
Just because it’s in a bathtub doesn’t mean it’s a nude scene though. In S1 we saw aemma and viserys in bathtubs and neither included nudity either so as far as HOTD goes they don’t have a track record of gratuitous nudity in bathtubs.
Maybe they'll depict Alicent having a spiral into madness like we saw from book Cersei, and throughout this season her psyche will crumble under the weight of what her destructive actions have caused. I've suspected that lakeside scene is either a "self-deletion" attempt or a flashback of an attempt; so things could track with Alicent going insane. It seems like Olivia Cook's face is looking thinner than in season one; maybe to reflect Alicent's descent into madness she's lost a bit of weight. That would be an unteresting show adaptation, and Olivia could knock that plot out of the park. I'm so pumped for season two regardless!!!
I definitely think we’ll see alicent be more suicidal this season. Just based on the trailers we’ve gotten and the fact we know B&C happens and how helena is impacted by that eventually as well.
From what I'm seeing, there are three separate green dresses, one blue green, and one black dress. The dress she wears in the sept looks to be different from the one in the riot (the one in the sept has a gold panel on her chest and the riot dress has a scope neck with gold trim). My guess is Alicent in the sept dress js praying for Luc since we also see her wearing it briefly in a council meeting with what looks to be Aemond in the background. Then the riot dress is probably the one from later in the season.
Do we think Rhaenyra is on board with B&C or will the show make it so Daemon does it behind her back and Rhaenyra is outraged by it? Just curious how morally gray they are going to make her in the series.
The Hightowers have access to virtually all the grain and livestock by land route in the south. A naval blockade would have virtually zero impact on food making it to King’s Landing. More of an impact on fine trade and other luxury goods.
@@thedragondemands5186 I yield to your expertise. But just looking at a map it does seem like the Gold road should provide easy resupply. And there has to be some kind of trail between the Stormlands and kings landing. Idk I feel like a naval blockade causing food riots is kind of convenient given it’s a medieval continental supply chain, it would mostly depend on land travel. Perhaps it’s mentioned in Fire and blood. More of a complaint about the writing logic rather than your video.
I think the scene where Alicent is sinking into the water, it looks like she's fully dressed as there is something off her shoulder. I think this might be one of two things: It's either real and she is doing this to try to sink herself into someplace else where she can have some peace, or again considering she's got clothes on, it might be a dream sequence where she's feeling overrun with everything that has happened and what she has allowed to be put into motion with her actions. Women sometimes do this in a metaphorical "Calgon, take me away" moment.
As far as I am concerned Alicent needs to serve her purpose in the story. I have not read the book. I just don't want another fan favorite being shoehorned in. I swear to old gods and new if they put her in armor and on a horse leading any charges I will quit ASOIAF forever. I still need HBO to announce this is a totally different universe than GOT. I have regained my interest in ASOIAF thanks to season 1 being so good (not perfect but good, I can head canon to fix a few things). Viserys caused this whole war over his determination to find the prince who was promised and then I think... oh for Bran the fucking broken, great. (/s)
@@thedragondemands5186 that's what writers these days do, they do stupid things you don't expect. No need to analyze any trailer to know that. Just look at the past 10 years of TV. It's more than likely to happen.
Another amazing video Mr Dragon. Here are my top SEVEN expectations/season 2 wish list🕯: 1. I want to see the other younger characters getting more screen time, just as Ryan promised. 2. I want the show to introduce Daeron and Tessarion in this season through dialogue if we're not getting them in season 2. 3. I want to see Helaena & her children getting a considerable amount of screen time before the infamous B&C event. 4. I hope they do justice to the Seasmoke "switching rider" plot, it has to make sense and must be in line with the lore. 5. I want the white walker plot to make sense as well and not dilute the goodness of the season (I believe in Condal & I know he will deliver) 6. I want to see Helaena with Dreamfyre at least once ffs. I don't think many casual viewers know if she has a dragon or not, I hope they correct that going into season 2. 7. I want to see the Blackwood vs Bracken bad blood becoming a thing in this show, they have already established that in season 1 which is good.
There should be no white walkers, and the show needs to treat the Hightowers like they are in the books: Lannisters with Dragons. Instead of being completely sidelined to make room for Holy and Ordained by God Rhaenyra.
@@Divine_Chareka I just can’t believe in Condal. UNLESS, he adds a scene where Vermax vehemently denies going past the wall, and someone mentions how Silverwing did the same. Anything to invalidate the canon between HOTD and GOT.
@@GrinMonister sorry but this is bullshit, flea bottom is the trash part of KL it doesn't make no sense for them to be there. I think people are confusing two different scenes and there will be no riot at the funeral
@constantinmmnbv the same reason they brought the people from Flea Bottom to Aegon's coronation. Propaganda works best the more people that believe it and Flea Bottom has a ton of people. It makes complete sense to go there.
THE LIST: 1)Alicent's character after Blood & Cheese needs to change, no more childhood friend Alicent, we need to see Cersei Alicent. 2)Aemond either goes full book villain or pre episode 10 Aemond no in-between inconsistent writing for this character choose one, also make him the only incompetent dragon rider or have every character lose control of their dragon. 3)Aegon needs to be the main figure of Team Green as he IS the King not Alicent & Otto, Rhaenyra acknowledge that they are your siblings not Alicent's kids. 4)Daeron needs to be mentioned and even shown at least in the final episode with his dragon heading out of Oldtown(Cuz casuals don't even know of his existence). 5) Apart from the dramatic part of Blood & Cheese I don't see many people giving af about Helena and her kids so make the Greens more sympathetic and not just Godess Rhaenyra and her Squad...(When I say make The Greens I don't mean Alicent we had enough of her development in season 1). 6)Basically have the kids on the main front on both sides, and lastly the most important thing NO MORE ACCIDENTS!!!------>Blood & Cheese needs to be a deliberate order from Daemon AND RHAENYRA especially her.( I know GRRM promotes ''Grey Characters" in his books ... even tho he has multiple Jesus Characters(Jon, Danny, Griff etc) don't make Rhaenyra into a Jesus Character PLS)!
Viserys foreshadowed that it was an illusion they control the dragons. The two children got into their fight and involved dragons in it. It had nothing to do with incompetence in the sense of riding skill. It was the fact they were young and did not understand what powers they were dealing with. Aemond was playing a game with a weapon of war and learned a valuable lesson about dragons. One he probably should have learned from his elders. He didn't have a father most his life.
@@cFull_Rtrd except Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, and Daemon have absolute control over their dragons. To the point they resemble show ponies in how well they follow command. Are we shocked the only team green dragonrider got shown to not be able to control a dragon?
To think this is what we got for Alicent’s character is such a shame. Instead of having a mixture Margaery’s political skills, spotless reputation and Cersei’s ruthlessness and love for children above all. We got a pathetic and frankly pandering adaption of a woman who has zero agency, and loves Rhaenyra more than her own children. Don’t even get me started on the sapphic baiting and the Larys foot scene either.
She's actually an incredibly rare character archetype to see portrayed this beautifully, we love miserable depressed repressed lesbians stifled and silenced by the sociopolitical regimes of womanhood and marriage. I'm not upset that we didn't get other characters that we've already seen before, cope.
@@rhaenatargaryen8061 there has never been a female character with the Machiavellian ability and flat out having that DAWG in her like Alicent did. You say you don’t want repeated characters, and yet Rhaenyra is just a fusion of Arya and Dany.
Alicent Hightower's comment to Aegon I found to be quite abusive. I think she is an awful mother Edit- No wonder we have a society full of depressed young people and toxic narrcistists who get away scott free with bullying their victims... 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Alicent is NOT a good woman! It does NOT take rocket science to understand that.. I'm not explaining the obvious figure it out yourselves! 🤦♂️fml 🤦♂️
The show would literally rather focus on how everything would be ok if they just let Alicent and Rhaenyra date. If you don’t believe me go and read the variety article and tell me the show isn’t just base pandering. They couldn’t even have Harwin pull Rhaenyra out of the crowd in the episode 5 wedding without worrying about the feminist perspective of a girl being carried to safety by a man.
@@DanLanningPRTeami don't buy that, the hound protected sansa in king's landing and the mountain was cersei's attack dog. They had Daemon grab Rhaenyra by her throat and push her around. Do you honestly believe that?
@@cFull_Rtrd from the article: Kilner worked with the younger actors in multiple episodes, giving them chances to weigh in on how they think a young woman would act in a particular situation - like when Rhaenyra is scooped up to safety by her admirer Harwin Strong in the middle of a fight during her wedding festivities. “When we first did it, it was a bit of a classic thing - a man putting a woman over his shoulder and carrying her, and myself and Milly were a bit worried. ‘Ah, what does that mean?’ But then we thought, he is saving her, and she needs to be saved and he’s a strong, big guy!” Kilner says. “And what Milly did, which was beautiful, was sort of kicking and trying to get down at the same time as he was carrying her. I think that struck a good balance in terms of women and agency and not getting too stuck in the old societal norms.” This is the mentality that was in the writers room for every scene. Tell me now that HOTD isn’t feminist drivel? They literally think every scene including Harwin carrying Rhaenyra to safety needs to be undercut with some kind of female empowerment narrative by having Rhaenyra kick and wail “put me down”.
@@DanLanningPRTeam Writers always have to consider how the audience will interpret a scene. This antiwoke conspiracy is nonsense and a product of all the propaganda out there. I don't see any problem with the questions they ask.
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She isn't going to marry anyone. The marriage allegation in the episode 9 script wasn't supposed to happen. Alicent, we saw in the show, would ultimately confront Otto and take control of the Greens.
In the trailer, Otto is telling her that she must accept the path to victory is one of violence. My theory is that Alicent will be hesitant about the war in the early scenes until a Blood and chese occurs. Paralleling Rhaenyra's experience with Luke, the death of Jaehaerys is what changes her and drives her to be fully committed to this war.
In the trailer, she seems to be coming to terms with how her past life, serving the realm and her house and being a decent queen didn't lead her where she envisioned. The bath could be some sort of rebirth, signaling an evolution of the character into a different path.
yup they need to give characters like Alicent and Halena that was mostly background characters during the dance something to do. Hell they need to give Rhaenyra something to do, expect for an action or two she was mostly just hanging around Dragon stone.
They can give them less scenes rather than forcing into scenes. Every character should serve a purpose to the story the writers want to tell. I am sick of fan favorites being shoehorned into more scenes at expense of the writing quality. Also when there is good writing, political intrigue can be just as exciting as a battle. She doesn't need to do anything other than serve her purpose in the story. Please no more Arya like writing. All respect to the actress but the writers failed her.
Just because it’s in a bathtub doesn’t mean it’s a nude scene though. In S1 we saw aemma and viserys in bathtubs and neither included nudity either so as far as HOTD goes they don’t have a track record of gratuitous nudity in bathtubs.
I acknowledge that in the video…yeah, Aemma
I think the almost drowning is related to B&C and Helaena's desperation
Maybe they'll depict Alicent having a spiral into madness like we saw from book Cersei, and throughout this season her psyche will crumble under the weight of what her destructive actions have caused. I've suspected that lakeside scene is either a "self-deletion" attempt or a flashback of an attempt; so things could track with Alicent going insane. It seems like Olivia Cook's face is looking thinner than in season one; maybe to reflect Alicent's descent into madness she's lost a bit of weight. That would be an unteresting show adaptation, and Olivia could knock that plot out of the park. I'm so pumped for season two regardless!!!
I definitely think we’ll see alicent be more suicidal this season. Just based on the trailers we’ve gotten and the fact we know B&C happens and how helena is impacted by that eventually as well.
From what I'm seeing, there are three separate green dresses, one blue green, and one black dress. The dress she wears in the sept looks to be different from the one in the riot (the one in the sept has a gold panel on her chest and the riot dress has a scope neck with gold trim). My guess is Alicent in the sept dress js praying for Luc since we also see her wearing it briefly in a council meeting with what looks to be Aemond in the background. Then the riot dress is probably the one from later in the season.
Do we think Rhaenyra is on board with B&C or will the show make it so Daemon does it behind her back and Rhaenyra is outraged by it? Just curious how morally gray they are going to make her in the series.
Don’t know. But one way or another each side should know that at this point they have to kill the other side down to the last child
The Hightowers have access to virtually all the grain and livestock by land route in the south.
A naval blockade would have virtually zero impact on food making it to King’s Landing.
More of an impact on fine trade and other luxury goods.
Until the Caswells block the Roseroad
@@thedragondemands5186this ignores any path from the Westerlands or Stormlands to Kingslanding.
Or any path that could diverge around Bitterbridge.
@@DanLanningPRTeam yah but they don’t have highways it would slow them
@@thedragondemands5186 I yield to your expertise.
But just looking at a map it does seem like the Gold road should provide easy resupply. And there has to be some kind of trail between the Stormlands and kings landing.
Idk I feel like a naval blockade causing food riots is kind of convenient given it’s a medieval continental supply chain, it would mostly depend on land travel.
Perhaps it’s mentioned in Fire and blood.
More of a complaint about the writing logic rather than your video.
Rowan’s side with the blacks too
I think the scene where Alicent is sinking into the water, it looks like she's fully dressed as there is something off her shoulder. I think this might be one of two things: It's either real and she is doing this to try to sink herself into someplace else where she can have some peace, or again considering she's got clothes on, it might be a dream sequence where she's feeling overrun with everything that has happened and what she has allowed to be put into motion with her actions. Women sometimes do this in a metaphorical "Calgon, take me away" moment.
I think people are confusing two different scenes and there will be no riot at the funeral
Funeral isn’t a full blown “riot”, just that they start throwing rotten food at them
As far as I am concerned Alicent needs to serve her purpose in the story. I have not read the book. I just don't want another fan favorite being shoehorned in. I swear to old gods and new if they put her in armor and on a horse leading any charges I will quit ASOIAF forever. I still need HBO to announce this is a totally different universe than GOT. I have regained my interest in ASOIAF thanks to season 1 being so good (not perfect but good, I can head canon to fix a few things). Viserys caused this whole war over his determination to find the prince who was promised and then I think... oh for Bran the fucking broken, great. (/s)
We have no reason to think Alcent will end up in armor mounted on a horse
@@thedragondemands5186 that's what writers these days do, they do stupid things you don't expect. No need to analyze any trailer to know that. Just look at the past 10 years of TV. It's more than likely to happen.
she is going to any battle Rhaenyra too. But they will have much stuff to do for they are the lead characters of this show.
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@@Winter20183 do you feel better insulting me? People like you should be muted.
Another amazing video Mr Dragon.
Here are my top SEVEN expectations/season 2 wish list🕯:
1. I want to see the other younger characters getting more screen time, just as Ryan promised.
2. I want the show to introduce Daeron and Tessarion in this season through dialogue if we're not getting them in season 2.
3. I want to see Helaena & her children getting a considerable amount of screen time before the infamous B&C event.
4. I hope they do justice to the Seasmoke "switching rider" plot, it has to make sense and must be in line with the lore.
5. I want the white walker plot to make sense as well and not dilute the goodness of the season (I believe in Condal & I know he will deliver)
6. I want to see Helaena with Dreamfyre at least once ffs. I don't think many casual viewers know if she has a dragon or not, I hope they correct that going into season 2.
7. I want to see the Blackwood vs Bracken bad blood becoming a thing in this show, they have already established that in season 1 which is good.
There should be no white walkers, and the show needs to treat the Hightowers like they are in the books: Lannisters with Dragons.
Instead of being completely sidelined to make room for Holy and Ordained by God Rhaenyra.
@@DanLanningPRTeam100% agreed!
@@Divine_Chareka I just can’t believe in Condal.
UNLESS, he adds a scene where Vermax vehemently denies going past the wall, and someone mentions how Silverwing did the same.
Anything to invalidate the canon between HOTD and GOT.
@@DanLanningPRTeam he most certainly will go book lore with that aspect, I don't think it's something we should worry about.
@@Divine_Chareka well if that was the case we wouldn’t have romantic tension between Rhaenyra and Alicent
What do you think of the rather bizarre rumor that Alicent will have a reunion with rhaenyra near the finale?
I hope not. It would be so silly.
Alicent could have also lighted that candle for her own son who became a kinslayer
So happy that we have Dunk and Egg actors casted... hope you make a video about it Dragon🎉
I thought that you were going to mention the leak about Alicent and Rhaenyra reuniting in episode 8. Is that legit?
Its funny how they had nudity in the first episode of HOTD to get people watching, then stopped it after that.
Well also episode 4 but it made sense then
why would the funeral procession go through flea bottom? It doesn't make no sense
Propaganda. They need to make sure people see what Rhaenyra has done.
@@GrinMonister sorry but this is bullshit, flea bottom is the trash part of KL it doesn't make no sense for them to be there. I think people are confusing two different scenes and there will be no riot at the funeral
They want to present what “Rhaenyra the Cruel” did to everyone in the whole city as propaganda
@@GrinMonister still doesn't make no sense to go to flea bottom . Who wrote this episode? 🤣
@constantinmmnbv the same reason they brought the people from Flea Bottom to Aegon's coronation. Propaganda works best the more people that believe it and Flea Bottom has a ton of people. It makes complete sense to go there.
THE LIST: 1)Alicent's character after Blood & Cheese needs to change, no more childhood friend Alicent, we need to see Cersei Alicent.
2)Aemond either goes full book villain or pre episode 10 Aemond no in-between inconsistent writing for this character choose one, also make him the only incompetent dragon rider or have every character lose control of their dragon.
3)Aegon needs to be the main figure of Team Green as he IS the King not Alicent & Otto, Rhaenyra acknowledge that they are your siblings not Alicent's kids.
4)Daeron needs to be mentioned and even shown at least in the final episode with his dragon heading out of Oldtown(Cuz casuals don't even know of his existence).
5) Apart from the dramatic part of Blood & Cheese I don't see many people giving af about Helena and her kids so make the Greens more sympathetic and not just Godess Rhaenyra and her Squad...(When I say make The Greens I don't mean Alicent we had enough of her development in season 1).
6)Basically have the kids on the main front on both sides, and lastly the most important thing NO MORE ACCIDENTS!!!------>Blood & Cheese needs to be a deliberate order from Daemon AND RHAENYRA especially her.( I know GRRM promotes ''Grey Characters" in his books ... even tho he has multiple Jesus Characters(Jon, Danny, Griff etc) don't make Rhaenyra into a Jesus Character PLS)!
Viserys foreshadowed that it was an illusion they control the dragons. The two children got into their fight and involved dragons in it. It had nothing to do with incompetence in the sense of riding skill. It was the fact they were young and did not understand what powers they were dealing with. Aemond was playing a game with a weapon of war and learned a valuable lesson about dragons. One he probably should have learned from his elders. He didn't have a father most his life.
@@cFull_Rtrd except Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, and Daemon have absolute control over their dragons. To the point they resemble show ponies in how well they follow command.
Are we shocked the only team green dragonrider got shown to not be able to control a dragon?
@DanLanningPRTeam Luc couldn't control his either. So, one on each "side" so far.
Can't wait to see Alicent's cake in the lake dream scene 🤩
Cake?
@@thedragondemands5186 You know what i mean! 😁
@@EarnestTargenfyre no Ser, I do _not_
@@thedragondemands5186 🍑😁
@@EarnestTargenfyre we already saw that in the trailer shot
To think this is what we got for Alicent’s character is such a shame.
Instead of having a mixture Margaery’s political skills, spotless reputation and Cersei’s ruthlessness and love for children above all.
We got a pathetic and frankly pandering adaption of a woman who has zero agency, and loves Rhaenyra more than her own children.
Don’t even get me started on the sapphic baiting and the Larys foot scene either.
She's actually an incredibly rare character archetype to see portrayed this beautifully, we love miserable depressed repressed lesbians stifled and silenced by the sociopolitical regimes of womanhood and marriage. I'm not upset that we didn't get other characters that we've already seen before, cope.
Stop acting like you’d like book Alicent. You’d cry and moan and call her a bitchy stepmother.
@@rhaenatargaryen8061 there has never been a female character with the Machiavellian ability and flat out having that DAWG in her like Alicent did.
You say you don’t want repeated characters, and yet Rhaenyra is just a fusion of Arya and Dany.
@@rhaenatargaryen8061 yeeeah, she's not a lesbian. You're just projecting.
Alicent Hightower's comment to Aegon I found to be quite abusive. I think she is an awful mother
Edit- No wonder we have a society full of depressed young people and toxic narrcistists who get away scott free with bullying their victims... 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Alicent is NOT a good woman! It does NOT take rocket science to understand that.. I'm not explaining the obvious figure it out yourselves! 🤦♂️fml 🤦♂️
The show would literally rather focus on how everything would be ok if they just let Alicent and Rhaenyra date.
If you don’t believe me go and read the variety article and tell me the show isn’t just base pandering.
They couldn’t even have Harwin pull Rhaenyra out of the crowd in the episode 5 wedding without worrying about the feminist perspective of a girl being carried to safety by a man.
@@DanLanningPRTeami don't buy that, the hound protected sansa in king's landing and the mountain was cersei's attack dog. They had Daemon grab Rhaenyra by her throat and push her around. Do you honestly believe that?
@@cFull_Rtrd from the article:
Kilner worked with the younger actors in multiple episodes, giving them chances to weigh in on how they think a young woman would act in a particular situation - like when Rhaenyra is scooped up to safety by her admirer Harwin Strong in the middle of a fight during her wedding festivities.
“When we first did it, it was a bit of a classic thing - a man putting a woman over his shoulder and carrying her, and myself and Milly were a bit worried. ‘Ah, what does that mean?’ But then we thought, he is saving her, and she needs to be saved and he’s a strong, big guy!” Kilner says. “And what Milly did, which was beautiful, was sort of kicking and trying to get down at the same time as he was carrying her. I think that struck a good balance in terms of women and agency and not getting too stuck in the old societal norms.”
This is the mentality that was in the writers room for every scene.
Tell me now that HOTD isn’t feminist drivel?
They literally think every scene including Harwin carrying Rhaenyra to safety needs to be undercut with some kind of female empowerment narrative by having Rhaenyra kick and wail “put me down”.
@@DanLanningPRTeam Writers always have to consider how the audience will interpret a scene. This antiwoke conspiracy is nonsense and a product of all the propaganda out there. I don't see any problem with the questions they ask.