Favorite part was Phil jokingly asking Andy if he had something after. As Andy responds you see Phil's demeanor change and go CIA spybreaker mode with the death stare. Always gathering data....
Iveys question was to confirm he was correct. Mission acconplished. He has improved on his lay downs and correct thin calls, but offensively has become less agressive and more of a nit.
Forcing the opponent to leave the pot when you have the nuts, or a very strong hand (double pairs, set, straight, flush, full-house, etc), is something that 90% of players do. Making this move, you LOSE VALUE. Instead of keep extracting chips street by street, from weaker hands, you take them out of the spot with a big bet. In the long run, all that extra bets that you could have won, makes a huge difference 😎
Still curious to if this is the right play. Not so sure. I think a call on the turn was likely correct. Maybe he had some kind of really strong read though.
say what you want... eric perrsons is not even close to a donkey... just tbl talk... and its hard to assume andy had the nuts... phil just made a soul read... eric perrsons plays in the biggest cash games around... dudes basically a pro tried and tested with big boy bank roll... keep it 100 you couldnt hold eric perrsons chip rack... let alone play with the sharks he plays with... your basically a clown fanboy for phil ivey (the GOAT)... do yourself a favor and stay in your lane lol
When Ivey subtly stacks his chips as if to raise at 2:08 and Andy's eyes quickly shoot over towards him for a second in excitement and then Ivey slows back down right afterwards... such a quick sneaky move to gather information... I feel like right then Phil knows Andy's got a big hand and it's time to fold
I learned this trick from Ivey years back. Gather chips in your hand for a call or a raise, make sure not to get done for forward movement and place them on your own stack to get a read, or count out s call and begin to riffle it etc always with the intention of looking like you're going to make the move. Try to read are they excited or scared at the thought of you calling or raising. He does it a lot, will even audibly bang chips on his own stack looking for a flinch of some sort!
Ivey is the GOAT but some of you commenters pretending like Andy didn’t bomb the turn is hilarious. While it might not be considered a “standard” fold, this was waaaaayyyy down the totem pole of great reads. Andy tried getting his value right there on the turn bc A.) It’s very likely Phil has either A high or a monster flop (top set etc) when he checked the flop back in position. He can rule out overpairs bc that would certainly have brought a c-bet on that flop. B.) Knowing all of that, he’s hoping Phil checked back a set or at worst, will have an A with a spade or possibly aces up. Had this betting scenerio happened on the river, nobody would think much of it
@@timcarter817 Yeah but over-betting turns with big value and semi-bluffs is a common line and if Ivey is folding top top to a flush competing turn often, then he's either exploitable or just has a good/decent read. And of course people would react differently if this happened on the river. Are you insinuating that circumstances should be perceived exactly the same regardless of what street the actions are on? The fold here with Ivy's specific hand facing a single bet that balances well with big value and semi-bluffs that want are happy with folds is at least a significantly high Chip +EV exploitative play versus the average person placed in the same situation. I'm sure you would confidently agree that most people in these HCL games would have found a call on this turn.
@@silentbovo1 the irony within someone worse than Ivey, BY FAR, attempting to analyze a play that is clearly beyond your pay grade. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be in the comment section in the first place. Carry on ..
@@LRocketz Ironically, you state that as if you're not speaking above your own pay grade. Don't forget who initially started the criticism stating that this wasn't a good read when at this game, at these stakes, an overbet on the turn is a standard line and most other players at the table would have called at least once in Ivey's spot. Your logic is also contradicting in more ways than one. "Ivey is better poker player than us" -> "read isn't that good; Andy simply just bombed turn (despite that betting a normal thing in upper stakes)" -> "if this happened on river. Nobody would think much of it" , which is the most redundant thing ever because action on every street is always circumstantial. It's like saying gravity is a thing. Share the sharkscope if you're going to put your Dunning Kruger's syndrome on display when you absolutely have zero idea what you're talking about.
Andy just loved playing a hand with Phil, great read from Phil but Andy wanted to have a hand with him. After Garrett and Robbi have their insane hand he says in the stream he doesn't want the game to break just he can play Phil. You can tell he enjoyed it with the little smile at the end.
Andy played bad on the turn when he hit the nut flush. Over pot size betting on the turn gave Ivey too much information. If he had check raised, then Ivey would have bet called. In this hand, Andy was too eager to maximize the profit with nuts from Ivey.
This is only one had. Way way too small of sample size to say that. That said, I know nothing about Erics play, and have no doubt Ivey is much much better. You just can't base much on one hand at all, pretty much never, or almost never.
That's not a big fold anyway... I folded eights full of aces to a river to Ace and the guy making aces full..... But it was a 5-10 game I checked the river and he bet 7,500.... Given the pre-flop action... When the ace peeled and I checked and he shoved... It wasn't that type of a decision as people would think to understand the game..... Most people that comment don't understand the game they're all newbies that lack experience
@@cincinnatigrinder4951 yeah right. He did not get a dime off Ivey. 99.% of people give at least one street of value to the nut high when they have AK or top pair top kicker. what u laid down was EASY. yours was a far easier laydown then not giving up one street of value with TPTK
It a disiplined fold more then a great fold, Phil raised pre, checked back flop, that is usually a lot of ACE highs, an Ace came on turn and Andy bet big into what should be Phils card,.. Phil knows that, but still, took disipline, it is a good fold, but not a great fold
@@Womenandwine Is it even correct to fold on the turn? GTO wise at least? I think a solver likely says to call. Phil may have more of a read on his opponent though, given that they have played many hands.
Looked to me like a bit of an angle before he folds. Alot of casinos have a forward motion or chips across the line is a call to prevent this from happening.
When our opponent bets big on the turn by a reg who's never bluffing in this spot, you can lay down pretty much everything. I encounter this situation on pokerstars every day. 5 regs and 1 fish to a lobby, the games suck so bad, when you face a big bet from a reg on the turn they're NEVEERRRRRR bluffing.
He immediately bet with an overbet after the turn, in that moment Ivey knew he had maybe a flush. Waited a little more, so it didn't seem he had understood, and then comes the question, with a smiling answer, "something, something". Ahahahahah, so classy from Ivey.
I don't know anything about poker and somehow ended up at this video but the way Phil tries to stare into his soul after asking him if he "had something" is interesting. He then looks left making me think that Phil still doubted he had something. Any more videos like this?
I did a similar thing. I had AA. Flop came all diamonds. I had no diamond. Villain checks, I check. Turn comes another diamond. Villain bets pot. I laugh and fold my AA. Villain shows J diamonds. 🤣
Hi instincts kicked in hard...he knew that he gave every indication of having a big Ace with the check back, and knew that Andy's bet sizing was based on that notion. He had alarm bells instantly, quite amazing.
Really good fold from Phil. I think he realizes that Andy's overbet bluffs will almost always have the Ks, but there are so few unpaired Ks hands in Andy's range. AK and KK are 100% 4-bets pre, KJo and below are 100% folding, even KQo should be mostly folding, so even if Andy finds some creative bluffs (which he certainly can) I think he's still way overweighted to having a big flush. I also think Andy's turn overbet is really good even though it didn't work out this hand - Andy wants to maximize the pot if Phil has a smaller flush or AA; AQ with the Qs might call once too, and random Ax 2-pairs will likely also call once. This time Phil had 1 pair no spade, but Andy's optimal strategy is not try to get a few K more out of that hand type, it's to get 100s of K more out of Phil's nuttish losing hands. 2 GOATs here.
Great analysis, and I loved the overbet too. There was a different comment on the vid saying it was an overplay and that he should have check-raised it, but you put my exact gut instinct into words. GOAT comment buddy
Its not a read. its betting patterns. Ivey it thinking: What can he call my raise preflop out of position with? A,10, suited connectors.. small pair... then he checks the flop to ivey and then over bets the turn. So now ivey is thinking.. if he missed the flop and checked to Ivey and saw Ivey as weak.. But Ivey would never check back the flop as the pre flop aggressor unless hes trying to control the pot size with a marginal hand that has showdown value So Andy over bets the turn. Its clear Andy is trying to make Phil think that hes bluffing by over betting. But again.. if Andy thinks phil has some marginal hand that has showdown value like 9,9 or A,x then why lead so strong.. Phil is thinking that Andy must expect a call from him. A more appropriate line for a bluff here would be a check/raise. Remember, betting big to get someone off a hand works at the low stakes.. but these guys are not only thinking about what their opponent might have.. they are also thinking about what their opponent thinks that they think they have Its level 4 thinking in poker.
ah yes, the "He bet so fast, it's super obvious". Next time it's the "he took way too long, it is obvious that he's hollywooding". Regs at these tables balance their actions. Avoid self positive-reinforcement fallacies.
@@silentbovo1 exactly right. It happens every live stream video. Andy acts quickly often. Youll find comments on videos where someone called his bluff saying the same thing. “Andy bet so quickly [his opponent] knew he was weak” People just love to be results oriented when they can see the cards.
I think it was not only the overbet but also the speed with which Andy put the chips in the middle that made Ivey wary; also he will have noticed Andy's nervous shuffling of chips, as if he was anxious to be called. You need to be better than that against players of players like Ivey.
Do they only ever show NLH on TV still? I’ve been away from poker for a few years now, it’d be nice to see some televised PLO cash games, or even tournaments.
Love how Ivey makes the right call and as always Eric has the wrong reads on people 😂
thats becasue the toolbag within eric wants blood always
In his catwoman costume
Haha, so true
@@Kucherov15 😂😂😂
@@Kucherov15 bahahaha
Favorite part was Phil jokingly asking Andy if he had something after. As Andy responds you see Phil's demeanor change and go CIA spybreaker mode with the death stare. Always gathering data....
Or he can just wait thirty minutes and see what he had.
@@maliant16 and Play without information for 30? No thanks
Lol the round is over he can stare all he wants.
Iveys question was to confirm he was correct. Mission acconplished. He has improved on his lay downs and correct thin calls, but offensively has become less agressive and more of a nit.
@@maliant16he already knew he would see it.. he asked to get the reaction to sync it up with what he sees later
Andy's dream of playing with Phil realized as well as witnessing his GOAT status for folding. Awesome.
Yeah Andy was clearly a huge fan
Underrated comment
Forcing the opponent to leave the pot when you have the nuts, or a very strong hand (double pairs, set, straight, flush, full-house, etc), is something that 90% of players do. Making this move, you LOSE VALUE. Instead of keep extracting chips street by street, from weaker hands, you take them out of the spot with a big bet. In the long run, all that extra bets that you could have won, makes a huge difference 😎
Phil's ability to lose the minimum in situations like this is uncanny. Not a single dime left his stack when Andy had the best hand.
Still curious to if this is the right play. Not so sure. I think a call on the turn was likely correct. Maybe he had some kind of really strong read though.
@@billj4525that’s the whole point of the video..
the way ivey silently extracts and gathers information is so sick
Silently and vocally. Watched Andy before and after the hand. Gaining all the information and possible tells he can.
The real goat
I'd love to hear his (Ivey's) thoughts
old school hustler.
Other factor that Andy may give up more info than usual too is he was clearly a big fan of Ivey. Dude was geeking out over Phil multiple times.
There is far more skill in folding than in calling, and Ivey just proved it folding his Ace King.
The contrast of Phil making an incredible read vs. Eric being a complete donkey after the hand is hilarious
Eric is phishing. He knows Andy had the nuts.
@@azael831 nope he doesnt hes just bad
I thought Eric's talk was to try to tilt Phil. Which is a waste of time
say what you want... eric perrsons is not even close to a donkey... just tbl talk... and its hard to assume andy had the nuts... phil just made a soul read... eric perrsons plays in the biggest cash games around... dudes basically a pro tried and tested with big boy bank roll... keep it 100 you couldnt hold eric perrsons chip rack... let alone play with the sharks he plays with... your basically a clown fanboy for phil ivey (the GOAT)... do yourself a favor and stay in your lane lol
@@bastiphantasty7147 Easy to say when you can see the cards. Andy made it look very bluffy.
When Ivey subtly stacks his chips as if to raise at 2:08 and Andy's eyes quickly shoot over towards him for a second in excitement and then Ivey slows back down right afterwards... such a quick sneaky move to gather information... I feel like right then Phil knows Andy's got a big hand and it's time to fold
I learned this trick from Ivey years back. Gather chips in your hand for a call or a raise, make sure not to get done for forward movement and place them on your own stack to get a read, or count out s call and begin to riffle it etc always with the intention of looking like you're going to make the move. Try to read are they excited or scared at the thought of you calling or raising. He does it a lot, will even audibly bang chips on his own stack looking for a flinch of some sort!
This is tough intel
I wonder what iveys reaction would be if he watched this
Phil is looking at his chips and seemingly counting when Andy looks over.
Whoa, what a great read, esp with the 100% chance of being right
Ivey literally played that hand like he could see Andy's cards.
Ivey is the GOAT but some of you commenters pretending like Andy didn’t bomb the turn is hilarious. While it might not be considered a “standard” fold, this was waaaaayyyy down the totem pole of great reads. Andy tried getting his value right there on the turn bc A.) It’s very likely Phil has either A high or a monster flop (top set etc) when he checked the flop back in position. He can rule out overpairs bc that would certainly have brought a c-bet on that flop. B.) Knowing all of that, he’s hoping Phil checked back a set or at worst, will have an A with a spade or possibly aces up.
Had this betting scenerio happened on the river, nobody would think much of it
His chair vibrated
@@timcarter817 Yeah but over-betting turns with big value and semi-bluffs is a common line and if Ivey is folding top top to a flush competing turn often, then he's either exploitable or just has a good/decent read. And of course people would react differently if this happened on the river. Are you insinuating that circumstances should be perceived exactly the same regardless of what street the actions are on? The fold here with Ivy's specific hand facing a single bet that balances well with big value and semi-bluffs that want are happy with folds is at least a significantly high Chip +EV exploitative play versus the average person placed in the same situation. I'm sure you would confidently agree that most people in these HCL games would have found a call on this turn.
@@silentbovo1 the irony within someone worse than Ivey, BY FAR, attempting to analyze a play that is clearly beyond your pay grade. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be in the comment section in the first place. Carry on ..
@@LRocketz Ironically, you state that as if you're not speaking above your own pay grade. Don't forget who initially started the criticism stating that this wasn't a good read when at this game, at these stakes, an overbet on the turn is a standard line and most other players at the table would have called at least once in Ivey's spot. Your logic is also contradicting in more ways than one. "Ivey is better poker player than us" -> "read isn't that good; Andy simply just bombed turn (despite that betting a normal thing in upper stakes)" -> "if this happened on river. Nobody would think much of it" , which is the most redundant thing ever because action on every street is always circumstantial. It's like saying gravity is a thing. Share the sharkscope if you're going to put your Dunning Kruger's syndrome on display when you absolutely have zero idea what you're talking about.
I’m surprised Robbi didn’t go all in with her J5
She's got nice witts to distract us with. Something fishy about her. I wouldn't be able to sit at the table with her.
lmfao
@@Ricardojvsilva 90% sure she cheated, and that was not the first time.
Her and that Rip guy are definitely doing something suspect in that game
@@timelkin838 Would you have said that before the incident.
Ivey folded because he got hungry and wanted to get up for his 47th meal
This is the real truth. Dude ate 3 times in 2 hours I watched last night. And he eats with his mouth open.
😃😁🤣
@@TraumaER hahahaha
@@TraumaER hahahaha
@@TraumaER hahahaha
The laugh and "yeah I had a little something" is pretty universal for I had a big hand
Unlucky Andy, if only Eric had Ivey's card you would have cleaned up! His comment at the end where he thought you were bluffing lol
the stare ivey gave him after he asked his question- shits tough
You can tell how excited Andy was to win
Andy just loved playing a hand with Phil, great read from Phil but Andy wanted to have a hand with him. After Garrett and Robbi have their insane hand he says in the stream he doesn't want the game to break just he can play Phil. You can tell he enjoyed it with the little smile at the end.
Andy played bad on the turn when he hit the nut flush. Over pot size betting on the turn gave Ivey too much information. If he had check raised, then Ivey would have bet called. In this hand, Andy was too eager to maximize the profit with nuts from Ivey.
@@coolpoolshark totally agree
Probably wanted to play Robbie after that hand too
@@kyleanderson9971 can't wait for someone on the stream to call a pot with J 4
J4 going down as the Robbi like the dead
Man hand for sure no cap completely legendary no matter what u spin it legendary
“ I’m sorry Phil, I don’t remember” and I got up and left that table.
The only correct response indeed. Anything else is data.
Welcome to the Master Class, starring Phil Ivey!
Staring Phil Ivey
This hand is the perfect example of there is levels to everything even at this high level
0:03 bro looks like Gru in despicable me when he wears the black ninja spandex LOL
The difference between Eric and Phil’s skill is displayed right here
This is only one had. Way way too small of sample size to say that. That said, I know nothing about Erics play, and have no doubt Ivey is much much better. You just can't base much on one hand at all, pretty much never, or almost never.
That is an amazing casual fold with AK there. Wow.
I've folded top-top vs flush before...it's not the easiest fold, but it was made all the easier with Andy's over bet and his table image.
That's not a big fold anyway... I folded eights full of aces to a river to Ace and the guy making aces full..... But it was a 5-10 game I checked the river and he bet 7,500.... Given the pre-flop action... When the ace peeled and I checked and he shoved... It wasn't that type of a decision as people would think to understand the game..... Most people that comment don't understand the game they're all newbies that lack experience
@@cincinnatigrinder4951 yeah right. He did not get a dime off Ivey. 99.% of people give at least one street of value to the nut high when they have AK or top pair top kicker. what u laid down was EASY. yours was a far easier laydown then not giving up one street of value with TPTK
It a disiplined fold more then a great fold, Phil raised pre, checked back flop, that is usually a lot of ACE highs, an Ace came on turn and Andy bet big into what should be Phils card,.. Phil knows that, but still, took disipline, it is a good fold, but not a great fold
Andy must be a nit also was pretty quick into the pot with that bet. I have to think that’s what got Ivey to fold.
@@Womenandwine Is it even correct to fold on the turn? GTO wise at least? I think a solver likely says to call. Phil may have more of a read on his opponent though, given that they have played many hands.
3:13 that stare
Speechless just goosebumps
Fascinating...
must helpful after fact for these high level players to be able to watch the "tape" later.
That’s a professional fold
Phil is even able to make a woman stop talking. Which is the most valuable skill of all time. GOAT!
It’s like Ivy senses the atmosphere and Ora around his opponent and then makes his decision.
The Rita Ora...
It does seem that way
Andy made it too big. 18k would be easy call for Phil. Title should be called "Andy overplay for 0 value" lol
Yes thank u
To fold on the turn like that is absolutely amazing. Phenomenal fold that very few could make
*overbet*
Eric Persson: YoU wERe BluFfiNG!
Ivey Is a person not Just a goat
Did you just assume his species?
No, Eric is a person.
@@michaeljacyna1973 W comment
Jesus Christ - he had a total read on Andy. This is TRULY a GOAT move.
the why Ivey stll stares him down after the pot to try and get something is some cold killer shit... the GOAT indeed!
Ivy makes a perfect play.
Loud mouth in the back: yOu wErE bLuFFinG tHErE
Big laydown for Robbi folding off the J5 there..
That is such a good fold considering flush draws and other high equity hands are over betting turn as well
Nice
Yeah, that's why GTO wise it can't be a correct fold. Still amazing to see though.
The only guy that isn't scare of Andy
Crazy lay down… yea that was dope!
An I the only one who hears Curb's interrogation music when Ivey stares at him? 😂
Ivey got out relatively cheap, but timed it to make others start to hate play each other moving forward. That's the magic.
Looked to me like a bit of an angle before he folds. Alot of casinos have a forward motion or chips across the line is a call to prevent this from happening.
Pure poker. No gto, just feel
“Robbie check your hand please”
She was waiting for the signal dude…that’s why she was asking a meaningless question to stall lol
It seems so ridiculous in hindsight, how’s she do this every hand lol. I’d have left the game in boredom.
Facts
When our opponent bets big on the turn by a reg who's never bluffing in this spot, you can lay down pretty much everything. I encounter this situation on pokerstars every day. 5 regs and 1 fish to a lobby, the games suck so bad, when you face a big bet from a reg on the turn they're NEVEERRRRRR bluffing.
People forget how Phil Ivey STARTED out playing card games.
What you mean by this?
Phil just sat back and read his body language
Saved money
That huh was a star struck GOAT reading me huh lol. Love it.
Enjoy it while we still can. Lets see what the future holds.
He immediately bet with an overbet after the turn, in that moment Ivey knew he had maybe a flush. Waited a little more, so it didn't seem he had understood, and then comes the question, with a smiling answer, "something, something". Ahahahahah, so classy from Ivey.
id like to think that folding one pair to a 28 thousand dollar bet is in my wheelhouse too
I don't know anything about poker and somehow ended up at this video but the way Phil tries to stare into his soul after asking him if he "had something" is interesting. He then looks left making me think that Phil still doubted he had something. Any more videos like this?
Phil almost making that massive river call against Dwan was similar. He folded but very similar.
@@michaeld3437 Do you have a link?
Such a high level fold. Wow
Persson would’ve lost his stack in that spot.
Yet when I do this in a 1/3 game at my local casino I’m called a nit 😅
Ivey picks up things we mortal humans could not
Wow what a Read!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Given the exact same situation, Robbi would have insta-folded.
Ivey picks up as much information after the hand as he did while the hand was playing.....obviously confirming whether his read was correct or not.
2:40 angle shot.
I did a similar thing. I had AA. Flop came all diamonds. I had no diamond. Villain checks, I check. Turn comes another diamond. Villain bets pot. I laugh and fold my AA. Villain shows J diamonds. 🤣
That’s not the same tho is it? That’s 4 diamonds on the board and you don’t have one? That’s an easy fold
@@callumsmith3293 said similar, not same.
@@webguy943 its not even similar, totally different
lol great fold. just as good as Ivey
@@DjUnk187 how is that totally different? We both had top pair ace, both were facing a flush. Some ppl can’t let go of Aces even in that spot. 🤣
You had something? I had a little something something, u have anything? Yeah I had something. 🤣
I think that guy had a computer in his cowboy hat
Nothing like a quality poker fold
Andy's dream of playing with Ivey - careful what you wish for... Great laydown
Still a 45 k pot lol I’m sure he’s not too disappointed
@@Rhexon LOL yeah I don't think I've ever won a tenth of that in a full evening, let alone a single pot :)
That was an unreal fold!!!
Phil is old school man. A 28k overbet is a 28k overbet.
Too much for top top with 3 spades on board
That is a fucking sick fold.
Hi instincts kicked in hard...he knew that he gave every indication of having a big Ace with the check back, and knew that Andy's bet sizing was based on that notion. He had alarm bells instantly, quite amazing.
hahaha as though you have any clue whatsoever of what it is like to be at his level... you can now speak for Phil Ivey huh?
Love persons scuba suit
even more respect with that fold...REPRESENT
28k donk bet. Ivey is legend.
Really good fold from Phil. I think he realizes that Andy's overbet bluffs will almost always have the Ks, but there are so few unpaired Ks hands in Andy's range. AK and KK are 100% 4-bets pre, KJo and below are 100% folding, even KQo should be mostly folding, so even if Andy finds some creative bluffs (which he certainly can) I think he's still way overweighted to having a big flush.
I also think Andy's turn overbet is really good even though it didn't work out this hand - Andy wants to maximize the pot if Phil has a smaller flush or AA; AQ with the Qs might call once too, and random Ax 2-pairs will likely also call once. This time Phil had 1 pair no spade, but Andy's optimal strategy is not try to get a few K more out of that hand type, it's to get 100s of K more out of Phil's nuttish losing hands.
2 GOATs here.
Great analysis, and I loved the overbet too. There was a different comment on the vid saying it was an overplay and that he should have check-raised it, but you put my exact gut instinct into words. GOAT comment buddy
I dont think andy's overbet is good here, he doesnt have enough blufs or semiblufs as you yourself calculated, it was a spazz bet imo
@@daddyfuse50 he wouldn’t get to check raise, ivey is never betting on that turn
@@Dyl4nRSPS u mean always betting?
@@ukaszprejs6764 no lmfao. If Andy checks this turn ivey 100% checks it back. He obviously has a read prior to the overbet
perfect read there in the end by the guy wearing a rash guard to a poker game
What brand T-shirt does phil have on? Looks comfy as F.
the way his face/jaw is relaxed and doesn't move, he is so focused and reading every possible tell. What a poker play to fold with ace king.
Andy having his chips not in stacks of 20 is pissing me off
Absolutely awesome.
Andy thinking like dammit i bet way too much into phil ivey he's gonna figure it out
Ivey knows the tells continue even after the hand is over. Before they even sit down and after they get up.
Isn’t there a video stream? Someone knows what both players have
what's the over/under on how much longer until Persson can't afford to play these games?
Ivey and Seidel are the 2 greatest poker players ever born.
Stu Ungar has to be on that list.
@@jmurda8533 if the list was top 3.
I gave top 2
Polk & Cates are better than Seidel.
@@goodfractalspoker7179 "you smoke Crack don't ya boy?"
@@goodfractalspoker7179 Seidel still plays the nose bleed tournaments and is consistently cashing in them. Stop the nonsense
Wow. Insane. Goat does this on a daily
The goat at work
Obviously a good read but I think there is some argument his move at 2:40 might be bordering on forward motion.
Much smaller lead out by Andy would have gotten called, maybe even raised.
fantastic fold
I’m 6’3 225. If Phil Ivey ever stared at me I’d run away screaming like a school girl.
That was a crazy fold 😂
Ivey put Andy in set of 10/10…
Good laydown by Ivey!
This is a good fold unless your opponent is bluffing in which case it is a bad call :)
If there was a 1k/2k mixed games, no one in the history of the hustler livestream would play Ivey.
Mikki would.
Its not a read. its betting patterns. Ivey it thinking: What can he call my raise preflop out of position with? A,10, suited connectors.. small pair... then he checks the flop to ivey and then over bets the turn.
So now ivey is thinking.. if he missed the flop and checked to Ivey and saw Ivey as weak.. But Ivey would never check back the flop as the pre flop aggressor unless hes trying to control the pot size with a marginal hand that has showdown value
So Andy over bets the turn. Its clear Andy is trying to make Phil think that hes bluffing by over betting. But again.. if Andy thinks phil has some marginal hand that has showdown value like 9,9 or A,x then why lead so strong.. Phil is thinking that Andy must expect a call from him. A more appropriate line for a bluff here would be a check/raise.
Remember, betting big to get someone off a hand works at the low stakes.. but these guys are not only thinking about what their opponent might have.. they are also thinking about what their opponent thinks that they think they have Its level 4 thinking in poker.
I think Phil read how quickly Andy bet that turn. Looked strong to him probably
Exactly. Andy bet WAY too fast. Looked super confident. And Phil really couldn't much improve.
ah yes, the "He bet so fast, it's super obvious". Next time it's the "he took way too long, it is obvious that he's hollywooding". Regs at these tables balance their actions. Avoid self positive-reinforcement fallacies.
@@silentbovo1 exactly right. It happens every live stream video. Andy acts quickly often. Youll find comments on videos where someone called his bluff saying the same thing. “Andy bet so quickly [his opponent] knew he was weak”
People just love to be results oriented when they can see the cards.
I think it was not only the overbet but also the speed with which Andy put the chips in the middle that made Ivey wary; also he will have noticed Andy's nervous shuffling of chips, as if he was anxious to be called. You need to be better than that against players of players like Ivey.
This guy dressed in black never left puberty
Do they only ever show NLH on TV still? I’ve been away from poker for a few years now, it’d be nice to see some televised PLO cash games, or even tournaments.
These guys really are gentlemen