Ignore the complainers!! they watch video's just to pick them apart. The rest of us (majority) are here to learn from your years of experience. we greatly appreciate you taking the time to share with us
Ignore the complainers. We were taught to either have sleeves above the elbow or secured around the wrist. Just nothing loose fitting by your hand. Great short and interesting subject. I always learn something when I watch the best shop teacher in action.
Yes tight fitting cuffs, so that basically it is your skin there and nothing more. That actually helps as that first contact will tear the cuff, and not you. But has to be tight, and always done up.
@@mrpete222 I got a length of elastic tube bandage. Cut two pieces to forearm length, hemmed the ends so it won't unravel on me. Holds my overalls in nice and tight.
I learned something new. I am the 1 in 10,000 that has the CXA-8 threading holder. I never knew it could be ran upside down. Thank you. Could you cove the side adjustment screws on this tool? I figure it is to adjust the helix angle, but how and when do you adjust it. I live in Michigan so I too ware long sleeves and coats. Just make sure every thing is tucked in and buttoned tight. You can also tape the loose sleeves if needed.
@@mrpete222 i had to make the equivalent adjustment with a full profile laydown insert. I needed to buy a shim seat that reversed the helix angle from normal. Most threads only have a degree or two of helix angle, so it isn't a big adjustment on the Aloris. I would use a surface plate and indicator to make the setting. You'll need feeler gages to set the angle.
Great video, Mr Pete! I haven't seen a vintage threading tool like this used in 45 or so years! Cats whiskers in it's day, easy to sharpen and recenter! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️
I haven’t commented much in the past but I’ll try to make this one count. I never worked in a machine shop. Never had a shop class. About two years ago I found a nice lathe for the tight price, purchased said lathe not even knowing how to turn it on. EVERYTHING I’m capable of doing now “and it’s quite a bit” I can do because of your tutorials. I watch these videos and learn some little trick every time. I’m grateful for what you do and I appreciate you. Thank you
I thread in reverse with a threaded spindle. Turn yourself a button that fits the shoulder inside the chuck body, and install a drawbar. It isn't much of a chip load anyway on a smallish lathe with threaded spindle.
That's a good idea! The additional load on the spindle threads via the drawbar pull should stop the chuck from turning (it can't spin off) and as you said, there's not a ton of pressure during thread cutting anyway.
Can't do that when threading any bar that protrudes into the spindle. I have a logan 10" (threaded spindle) a S.B. 14-1/2" (threaded spindle) and a Monarch 10EE (D-1 camlock). There are other ways to "lock the chuck" like a set screw in the backplate but they are a little on the agressive side. Still, threading away is the only safe way to do it.
Great instructional video on rhreading simplified. The CNC lathes dont have this issue, but as for the manual lathe operators. To the old dogs, Give it a try, first thay will scratch their heads, then they will try it! method will save you heart ache and pain, and mabe even your job! This is a great example if working smarter, not harder. Thanks again MrPete!
Another great video Mr. Pete. The still photos at the end showing differences in microstructure with forging, stamping, and casting was also really interesting to see.
Well thank you mr. Pete! This has been my favorite way to to cut threads for many many years. I called cutting threads upside down and backwards Works absolutely great every time. Thanks again for another very entertaining video!
Mr Pete...please don’t consider complaints/ pointless criticism. We watch for the object of your teaching. It’s always clear, concise, and well considered. You’re a good man, screw the progs.
Thanks, Mr. Pete. I bought this tool with my BXA post not realizing I could thread in reverse by repositioning the cutter. Having moved on from my Atlas 12" to a larger lathe, no issues with the chuck unthreading itself. I always hated that part of the Atlas.
I am not a machinist, lathe is a hobby for me, so I learn a lot with Mr. Pete, I already thought to do this but my inexperience make me think it is not correct do this way. I will asure chuck don't go away and try this. I saw a guy in UK that put the tool in rear the carriage.
Thanks for this lesson. The used lathe I purchased came with an Aloris 8, but really wasn't sure what it was all about. Now I know. I have learned so many things watching your channel. Thanks again and again!!
Another good Safety minded video even before my coffee. In the going on 13 years of viewing your videos I've found you to be a very Safety minded machinist. I'm also guilty of making a comment in the early years of viewing, I think it shows that some viewers are Safety minded such as yourself. Take care Lyle
As a teacher the first thing Mr Pete has ever espoused was safety in the workshop, showing you all the things you can do to work safely, and even the things that are unsafe, and how to avoid them.
@@SeanBZASafety is always important but when you're supervising teenagers with no experience I'm sure that's magnified tenfold and you really want every advantage you can get when it comes to safety to make up for the elevated level of background chaos...
I didn’t just like the video, I will make the comment that I loved the video. Thank you so much Mr. Pete for sharing your time with us. You are The Shop Teacher that reminds us of better times that we had with our actual shop teachers we had growing up. My first shop teacher was Mr. Laird in Big Spring Texas. A fine gentleman such as yourself. You are the salt of our earth right now. I know you don’t seek out adoration in life. I’m just sure that is exactly what you are for so many of us.
Wow, even I learned a new trick today! This is much easier than the other methods I know of. Wearing long sleeves, heck I've worked in shops that were bearly above freezing. We wore heavy coats and snowsuits more or less. You know it's cold when the coolant freezes in the sump... Seriously use extra caution around the spinning parts and we'd guard the chucks, especially the bigger ones, or if the jaws stuck past the body.
Sounds like my shop. - I replace the coolant in the horizontal band saw with RV Antifreeze in the winter. . We never did use the shop every day and it got REALLY cold in there when there was nobody there,,,,snd even wit 2-torpedos it's after lunch before you even think about taking off your coat and by the time i was warm enough for short sleeves it was time to go home. - You do what you got to do. (But even in the cold we never wore gloves around rotating machinery,,,,Get caught, get sent home for the rest of the day. Get caught twice and you get told not to come back.
what an excellent video, the threading technique avoids all types of accidents. As for wearing a long-sleeved shirt, dont be careful. As long as you don't get too close to the moving parts of the lathe, there is no problem. thank you teacher for sharing your knowledge
That grain structure photo is great, really gets home the point of how base material really matters And how things like cheap rolled thread bolts and fastners actually end up being stronger than cut threads in the same material Thanks for the video!
I learned both inside and outside single point threading from your videos (Machine Shop Tips #23 was one in 2011). They are top notch! You are an excellent teacher and creator. Trolls will be trolls. Most of them are bitter know-it-alls who have never actually created ANYTHING except hard feelings.
What a great instructional video. I’ve heard of threading this way, but never tried it. Truthfully, I’ve always avoided threading and relied on taps. Who knows, maybe I’ll get adventurous. Take care.
I've been watching your videos from the start and I can't believe anyone would complain about long sleeves. Not everyone lives in Texas or has a benefit of a heated workshop. Thank you for a great video.
About 20 years ago I built a cutter out of high speed steel that did pretty much the same thing. It was admittedly less configurable as the angle couldn't be simply swapped around. Something that people who are new to machining don't always consider is how the trailing edge of the cutter is going to be positioned in reference to the work. With a reverse threading tool it isn't as simple as just turning it over because the rest of the tool runs as something of a tangent to the threads. Now that I've seen this video, I may be able to make a revised version of the tool I made so long ago.
"Mr. Pete, your original RUclips shop teacher." Yes sir, that is the Mr. Pete we all love and learn from. Interesting tooling, I've never seen that one. Thanks for a new method, I'll have to try it.
Great video, and as far as the sleeves they aren’t very loose and you clearly showed you kept your arms away from the major moving parts. People need to be very aware of their surroundings like you are in this case. Regardless these videos have been fantastic; as a younger like myself I’ve been learning a lot from these and they are very straight to the point and very informative.
A great way to keep from causing damage to the machine & your work ! While in Machine Trades School in 1982 & 1983 we were only taught how to chase threads from right to left. If our instructors had known about this method, I would say it would have saved a lot of machine crashes as all of us were newbie’s and dangerous as we were learning !! 🤗
In my management career in an industrial plant more than once we had to sort out a few times that reason has to weigh the safety decisions. Sometimes a move to 'work safe' can create a more hazardous environment, especially when dealing with a 'man on a mission'. But then I was taught that growing up - my dad was a long time manager of safety in that same plant. LOL We humans are supposed to use our intelligence. Only trouble is - as Will Rogers once said - 'the trouble with common sense is that it is not so common'. Keep up the good work!
There is a dial on the lathe that tracks the carriage. I believe it is called the "threading dial". You could enter "How to use a threading dial" into the search bar.
I am one of your constant viewers that does own an Aloris threading tool and enjoy using it . I also have a Diamond tool holder that I bought when they first appeared ( and use regularly ).Thanks very much for your videos .
Thanks for the info Lyle! I have the exact same tool. Bought it used about 10 years ago for $30. Never knew those other mounting holes are for threading away from the chuck!
OK, 1st, you really don't have to put the compound on an angle, that was old-school thinking. You can feed straight in with the cross slide. 2nd, there is also no need for an undercut when you start at the shoulder. You will get a natural undercut when the lathe is turning and when you advance the cutting tool in for the next cut , unless your threading tool was to wide, just wait a few turns of the piecework before engaging the half-nut. The best lathe that I have ever used for single-point threading was a Hardinge Tool Room lathe. It had a reversing lever for the carriage so you did not have to use the dreaded half nut for every cut.. You merely had to back the cross-slide out before using the reversing lever, it would stop at the shoulder, feed back in for your cut, and just hit the lever and the carriage would feed away from the shoulder.
Thx Mr Pete, I never would have figured out what the other position on the Aloris #8 holder was for. I had been thinking it was for use on a rear mount post
Aloha Lyle I do most of my single point threading this way, as most of the time it is to a shoulder. The only difference is I use a radius cutter for the relief cut to help with the stress point. I agree that you ignore the complainers, they haven't done this most of their lives therefor are experts! Theory is good up to a point, but eventually you have to get in the water....😏
I was an engineer aboard ships for over 3 decades. Safety is important of course but being aware of your surroundings is key. Sometimes you must wear clothes to work.
I work at a large industrial plant with a large maintenance force, a workshop full of heavy duty industrial machine tools and an aggressive attitude to safety . There is a requirement that arms should remain covered at all times, on site and in the workshop. In almost 30 years I have never heard of any maintenance tech being injured or having a near miss as a result of wearing long sleeves. I would imagine that had there ever been an injury in the workshop as a result of wearing long sleeves while using rotating machinery in the plants entire history there would be a rule stating that they should be rolled up while doing so.
There's an entire class of people who watch all these diy/home-hobbyist-whatever videos whose sole purpose in life is to tell everyone how safe they're not being and how safe they should be, so that, by extension, we all know how safe (and smart) they are. It's the same thing on every single channel.
Good video Mr. Pete and I have been a machinist for over 50 years and have chased threads on many parts in my day and I do have one of the Aloris threading tools in my home shop that I use on my Atlas lathes l watch all your videos and we are always on the same page, Thanks for sharing !
Thank you for the video. I am making a lot of small parts and usually threading to a shoulder. In tiny threads the chips obstruct the view and overshooting the relief groove is easy to do when threading towards the chuck. Early on I mounted the tool upside down and tried reverse threading. It is my go to technique. I also do that with internal threading. It is so much easier to see what is happening inside the bore when the tool is on the back wall.
Ah, those safety sissies don't know the joys of cutting 2mm cuts at 1400rpm. The blue black chips flying, the odd crunchy walk from the chips melting into your boot soles. I've never seen short sleeved safety gear, I have seen rubber bands on the ends of sleeves as well as silver bands near the elbows to keep sleeves flat to arms but never issued short sleeved overalls. We were taught to set up, start the machine and keep our hands near the off lever and away from the moving parts. For all machines, I might add. I've never seen you doing anything dangerous like removing cuttings while the machine was running mr. Pete, so you might want to do a shop safety class. Mine was like 5 minutes along with the warning : " If I find out you were stealing shop supplies, they'll never find the body."
you have proved a good point. no stress or anxiety.Safe. But what about us poor folks that have threaded on chucks, and shop ground threading tools? do you have any good Ideas for us? What about rear mounted inverted threading tool? What about a set screw locking chuck to spindle? How do we achieve tranquility in threading?
Good Morning Mr. Pete, I didn't know that these were designed for reverse threading by moving the position of the H.S.S. blade. Excellent share of knowledge, Thank You.
Nice use of that Aloris tool block👍. Most commerical tooling for threading doesn't permit threading like this without putting up a fight. I note you reversed the compound. I made the mistake of leaving the compound in the normal position, pointed to the headstock, while threading in this fashion and got a terrible finish on the threads.
I believe I failed to mention the compound position. I didn’t think people would understand, or for that matter even care, lol. However, you are the second one to comment on that . you are an astute observer.
@@mrpete222 Oh, they will care if they make the same mistake i did. I didn't remake the parts since the thread ought never be disassembled, but a great deal of nautical English was heard when i realized my mistake.
Hello Lyle, When I started my apprenticeship in the 60's, my boss and all of the technical college teachers, always stressed the dangers of moving machinery and long hair, clothing and rags. We became conditioned to taking care when machining and I still am very aware of the dangers today.
great video Pete! When I did my apprenticeship the tooling dept. required lab coats and ties once you got to your 3rd yr they gave you a tie bar that was in the shape of a mic.
Logic evades some people. I don't like people who try to make their problem my problem. Keep sharing your skills and knowledge. Keep the tie clipped high ✌️
I just moved the farm's antique Atlas 6" into the heated shop from storage, so I could take off my loose-sleeved coat while using it. Sadly, the machine had the worst kind of crash-- the ties holding it up gave way when I set the machine down and it tipped over. Time to make some new handles. Anyway, I've been enjoying your videos for years and have been learning so much each time.
No scolding from me, a guy needs to be warm when he works, take it from an old carpenter that has sided houses in 10 degree weather. It is all about paying attention in my opinion. Great video Mr. Pete, the first channel I watch each evening is you have some on.
If you ask me, a more major benefit of threading this way is that you can do these threading cuts at surface speeds that are much closer to what you would use for turning. You would have to keep the half nuts engaged the whole time, which means turn the spindle off and reversing the lathe to get back to the start of the cut. It would be really impractical to try catching the threading dial at the right moment every time if it's spinning as quickly as it does when the spindle is running at 500 RPM or more. I think that depending on the circumstances ( workpiece material, size of chuck, depth of cut) you could run a screw-on chuck in reverse without it un-screwing. On my 8" bison chuck that weighs about 18 pounds, simply removing the chuck takes a decent amount of force. Just speculation, and it would only take one such mistake to change my mind.
Must be the same people that complain about me working in a coat in my shop. Key is I don't let it come into contact with rotating equipment. My machines would literally rip your body apart and not even think about it. I don't generally touch any of the powered rotating equipment and if I do I am very aware of what I am doing.
I liked the video because I always wanted to have a small machine shop and wood shop but never had my priorities in line I suppose but I still like to Learn new things 👍
I know this is an old video but recently I had a need to single point thread and I wanted to try this method. One question, in every threading video they teach to orient the compound at 29 - 30 degrees, at least for the majority of cuts. It looks like you ran the tool straight in, Will you elaborate on this? By the way I have the Aloris tool you are using and I have cut a test thread and it worked very well. Thanks.
I have long sleeved shirts that have dozens of little burn spots from hot chips. Better that than my skin. Being aware and cautious goes a long way when tempting the norm.
I loved it. I have that same Aloris tool. I hate threading to a shoulder. I will do it this way next time. Thanks for your efforts. Many of us are learning from you. You are a national treasure.
I do have one of those holders and never knew about moving the bit. The reverse threading is very useful. I think I mentioned once that I had a brass fitting that did not have an undercut because of a seal, but instead had a step up shoulder and the threads were cut right up to it, clearly on a CNC. And, the threaded end was short and held pressurized refrigerant, a part of my neighbor's AC system. I really fretted over it for hours. I finally took a 3/16" wide slitting saw and chucked it up on an arbor and ground the tip to a 60 deg point. I figured it wouldn't need a rake cut because it was round, cutting a round rod and would already have it. I mounted it on my tool post grinder, put the lathe in backgear at the slowest speed and sawed the thread into it, pulling it out at the last moment. What a challenge that was, but I got it made and everything back together.
Thanks! I'm sure a few more of my hairs turned gray over it. And, I did it on my Grandfather's old 1939 Atlas 10F in my garage. 😎 This stuff never gets old.
I bought the Aloris threading tool in 1977, and always use it in reverse as you show. I like that it is easy to adjust the helix angle too, especially when cutting multi start threads. really enjoy your videos.
Hi there, varying the helix angle was something that I was puzzled about - how is it done ? - I’d assumed that you have to purchase different tool holder inserts for different pitch angles and thread forms / sizes . . . .
@@steveallarton98 with the Aloris type tool, the cutting blade is fixed with a socket head caps crew, about which it can be tilted side to side, to match helix angle. A horizontal set screw holds the blade at this angular position .
Ignore the complainers!! they watch video's just to pick them apart. The rest of us (majority) are here to learn from your years of experience. we greatly appreciate you taking the time to share with us
Thanks for that!
Agreed. Ego driven anonymous opinion police.
Good grief, no kidding. So many “experts” out there get their jollies by trashing others.
Ignore the complainers. We were taught to either have sleeves above the elbow or secured around the wrist. Just nothing loose fitting by your hand. Great short and interesting subject. I always learn something when I watch the best shop teacher in action.
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Thanks always a pleasure watching your videos
Yes tight fitting cuffs, so that basically it is your skin there and nothing more. That actually helps as that first contact will tear the cuff, and not you. But has to be tight, and always done up.
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I got a length of elastic tube bandage. Cut two pieces to forearm length, hemmed the ends so it won't unravel on me.
Holds my overalls in nice and tight.
OSHA probably requires short sleeves in the workplace....But You are the Captain in your home machine shop.
Thank you Mr. Pete, if it wasn't for you I would not even know how to turn my lathe on. Keep those videos coming and post drawings on your projects.
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Bravo, Mr. Pete!
Mr .Pete your a great instructor Please keep sharing your insight and knowledge its a treasure for sure
Thanks for what you share !
Thank you kindly
Thank you Mr Pete. That tool holder is new to me. I appreciate you.
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I learned something new. I am the 1 in 10,000 that has the CXA-8 threading holder. I never knew it could be ran upside down. Thank you. Could you cove the side adjustment screws on this tool? I figure it is to adjust the helix angle, but how and when do you adjust it.
I live in Michigan so I too ware long sleeves and coats. Just make sure every thing is tucked in and buttoned tight. You can also tape the loose sleeves if needed.
Yes, for the helix angle I have never actually made that adjustment
@@mrpete222 i had to make the equivalent adjustment with a full profile laydown insert. I needed to buy a shim seat that reversed the helix angle from normal.
Most threads only have a degree or two of helix angle, so it isn't a big adjustment on the Aloris. I would use a surface plate and indicator to make the setting. You'll need feeler gages to set the angle.
Thanks Mr. Pete, your video's taught me how to single point thread about 10 years ago. I now have another method and new tooling to hunt for.
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Great video, Mr Pete! I haven't seen a vintage threading tool like this used in 45 or so years! Cats whiskers in it's day, easy to sharpen and recenter! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️
Looks like their version of the Ifanger tooling system.
I haven’t commented much in the past but I’ll try to make this one count. I never worked in a machine shop. Never had a shop class. About two years ago I found a nice lathe for the tight price, purchased said lathe not even knowing how to turn it on. EVERYTHING I’m capable of doing now “and it’s quite a bit” I can do because of your tutorials. I watch these videos and learn some little trick every time. I’m grateful for what you do and I appreciate you.
Thank you
You just made my day. Thank you very much for your comment. I’m very glad to know that I helped you.
I thread in reverse with a threaded spindle. Turn yourself a button that fits the shoulder inside the chuck body, and install a drawbar.
It isn't much of a chip load anyway on a smallish lathe with threaded spindle.
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That's a good idea! The additional load on the spindle threads via the drawbar pull should stop the chuck from turning (it can't spin off) and as you said, there's not a ton of pressure during thread cutting anyway.
Can't do that when threading any bar that protrudes into the spindle.
I have a logan 10" (threaded spindle) a S.B. 14-1/2" (threaded spindle) and a Monarch 10EE (D-1 camlock). There are other ways to "lock the chuck" like a set screw in the backplate but they are a little on the agressive side. Still, threading away is the only safe way to do it.
Mr Pete your living on the edge with that long sleeve shirt we really enjoy the short videos as well as the longer ones thanks again
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Great instructional video on rhreading simplified. The CNC lathes dont have this issue, but as for the manual lathe operators. To the old dogs, Give it a try, first thay will scratch their heads, then they will try it! method will save you heart ache and pain, and mabe even your job!
This is a great example if working smarter, not harder.
Thanks again MrPete!
Glad it was helpful!
Another great video Mr. Pete. The still photos at the end showing differences in microstructure with forging, stamping, and casting was also really interesting to see.
Glad you enjoyed it. I was hoping lots of people would see that picture.
Like getting to the bonus round.
Well thank you mr. Pete! This has been my favorite way to to cut threads for many many years. I called cutting threads upside down and backwards Works absolutely great every time. Thanks again for another very entertaining video!
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Mr Pete...please don’t consider complaints/ pointless criticism. We watch for the object of your teaching. It’s always clear, concise, and well considered. You’re a good man, screw the progs.
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Thats great Mr. Pete, thank you for teaching me, as a noob I am learning plenty from your channel. Thanks again.
Glad to hear it
Thank you for this. I have one of these holders but never thought about moving the cutting blade to the other position.
Thanks, Don
Thanks, Mr. Pete. I bought this tool with my BXA post not realizing I could thread in reverse by repositioning the cutter. Having moved on from my Atlas 12" to a larger lathe, no issues with the chuck unthreading itself. I always hated that part of the Atlas.
Me too
I am not a machinist, lathe is a hobby for me, so I learn a lot with Mr. Pete, I already thought to do this but my inexperience make me think it is not correct do this way. I will asure chuck don't go away and try this. I saw a guy in UK that put the tool in rear the carriage.
Yes, that is a good method also
The one and only MR PETE keeping threading drama-free since 2006. no crash, no trash, no pouting!! good class today tubalcain
Yes, no pouting today
Thanks for this lesson. The used lathe I purchased came with an Aloris 8, but really wasn't sure what it was all about. Now I know. I have learned so many things watching your channel. Thanks again and again!!
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Another good Safety minded video even before my coffee. In the going on 13 years of viewing your videos I've found you to be a very Safety minded machinist. I'm also guilty of making a comment in the early years of viewing, I think it shows that some viewers are Safety minded such as yourself. Take care Lyle
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As a teacher the first thing Mr Pete has ever espoused was safety in the workshop, showing you all the things you can do to work safely, and even the things that are unsafe, and how to avoid them.
@@SeanBZASafety is always important but when you're supervising teenagers with no experience I'm sure that's magnified tenfold and you really want every advantage you can get when it comes to safety to make up for the elevated level of background chaos...
Good morning Mr Pete. Always learning, thanks for keeping us safe. John
I didn’t just like the video, I will make the comment that I loved the video.
Thank you so much Mr. Pete for sharing your time with us.
You are The Shop Teacher that reminds us of better times that we had with our actual shop teachers we had growing up.
My first shop teacher was Mr. Laird in Big Spring Texas. A fine gentleman such as yourself.
You are the salt of our earth right now. I know you don’t seek out adoration in life. I’m just sure that is exactly what you are for so many of us.
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That would be very handy in cases where the thread is very short such as watch case backs. I think I have noticed Clickspring using similar tooling.😊
Wow, even I learned a new trick today! This is much easier than the other methods I know of. Wearing long sleeves, heck I've worked in shops that were bearly above freezing. We wore heavy coats and snowsuits more or less. You know it's cold when the coolant freezes in the sump... Seriously use extra caution around the spinning parts and we'd guard the chucks, especially the bigger ones, or if the jaws stuck past the body.
Sounds like my shop. - I replace the coolant in the horizontal band saw with RV Antifreeze in the winter. . We never did use the shop every day and it got REALLY cold in there when there was nobody there,,,,snd even wit 2-torpedos it's after lunch before you even think about taking off your coat and by the time i was warm enough for short sleeves it was time to go home. - You do what you got to do. (But even in the cold we never wore gloves around rotating machinery,,,,Get caught, get sent home for the rest of the day. Get caught twice and you get told not to come back.
I have a CXA #8. I always wondered what that other mounting point was for.
Thank you. You remain my favorite RUclips shop teacher.
Thank you, I am proud to be your favorite
what an excellent video, the threading technique avoids all types of accidents. As for wearing a long-sleeved shirt, dont be careful. As long as you don't get too close to the moving parts of the lathe, there is no problem. thank you teacher for sharing your knowledge
I really like that Aloris threading tool
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That grain structure photo is great, really gets home the point of how base material really matters
And how things like cheap rolled thread bolts and fastners actually end up being stronger than cut threads in the same material
Thanks for the video!
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That's one very cool threading tool. Always learnin something new with Mr Pete. Don
I learned both inside and outside single point threading from your videos (Machine Shop Tips #23 was one in 2011). They are top notch! You are an excellent teacher and creator. Trolls will be trolls. Most of them are bitter know-it-alls who have never actually created ANYTHING except hard feelings.
Thank you for watching on commenting. I could not agree more about the trolls.
What a great instructional video. I’ve heard of threading this way, but never tried it. Truthfully, I’ve always avoided threading and relied on taps. Who knows, maybe I’ll get adventurous. Take care.
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I like your shirt!!!👔👍👍👍
I remember watching it in your first video. Thanks for sharing it again. I always learn something new.
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I like it and will try it today. Thank you
Have fun!
I've been watching your videos from the start and I can't believe anyone would complain about long sleeves. Not everyone lives in Texas or has a benefit of a heated workshop. Thank you for a great video.
I agree, I don’t understand why I get beaten to death by that comment. You would think they were paying to watch these videos, L O L.
About 20 years ago I built a cutter out of high speed steel that did pretty much the same thing. It was admittedly less configurable as the angle couldn't be simply swapped around. Something that people who are new to machining don't always consider is how the trailing edge of the cutter is going to be positioned in reference to the work. With a reverse threading tool it isn't as simple as just turning it over because the rest of the tool runs as something of a tangent to the threads. Now that I've seen this video, I may be able to make a revised version of the tool I made so long ago.
Joe Pie is a big fan of this technique. Has several videos on it.
Love that man
Another great video...That is the only way I single point threads to a shoulder...less drama and more enjoyable.
Exactly!
"Mr. Pete, your original RUclips shop teacher." Yes sir, that is the Mr. Pete we all love and learn from. Interesting tooling, I've never seen that one. Thanks for a new method, I'll have to try it.
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Great video, and as far as the sleeves they aren’t very loose and you clearly showed you kept your arms away from the major moving parts. People need to be very aware of their surroundings like you are in this case.
Regardless these videos have been fantastic; as a younger like myself I’ve been learning a lot from these and they are very straight to the point and very informative.
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A great way to keep from causing damage to the machine & your work !
While in Machine Trades School in 1982 & 1983 we were only taught how to chase threads from right to left.
If our instructors had known about this method, I would say it would have saved a lot of machine crashes as all of us were newbie’s and dangerous as we were learning !! 🤗
Thanks. I have not seen new posts from you recently. Glad to see you active.
I have been releasing three or four videos per week
@@mrpete222 sorry, I guess that I missed them or maybe youtube is not sending them to my notification.
In my management career in an industrial plant more than once we had to sort out a few times that reason has to weigh the safety decisions. Sometimes a move to 'work safe' can create a more hazardous environment, especially when dealing with a 'man on a mission'. But then I was taught that growing up - my dad was a long time manager of safety in that same plant. LOL We humans are supposed to use our intelligence. Only trouble is - as Will Rogers once said - 'the trouble with common sense is that it is not so common'. Keep up the good work!
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Thanks for sharing and the details. I'm confused about how you start cutting and remain in the groove you started. Excuse my ignorance...
There is a dial on the lathe that tracks the carriage. I believe it is called the "threading dial".
You could enter "How to use a threading dial" into the search bar.
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Interesting tooling and interesting video. Tnx Mr. Pete
I am one of your constant viewers that does own an Aloris threading tool and enjoy using it . I also have a
Diamond tool holder that I bought when they first appeared ( and use regularly ).Thanks very much for your videos .
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Very interesting.Thank you for your time.
Thanks for the info Lyle! I have the exact same tool. Bought it used about 10 years ago for $30. Never knew those other mounting holes are for threading away from the chuck!
Way cool. You’ve got talent sir!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank You Lyle... As always U R consistently consistent, 👁enjoy all U have to offer (yes I have crashed many times).....TM
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OK, 1st, you really don't have to put the compound on an angle, that was old-school thinking. You can feed straight in with the cross slide. 2nd, there is also no need for an undercut when you start at the shoulder. You will get a natural undercut when the lathe is turning and when you advance the cutting tool in for the next cut , unless your threading tool was to wide, just wait a few turns of the piecework before engaging the half-nut.
The best lathe that I have ever used for single-point threading was a Hardinge Tool Room lathe. It had a reversing lever for the carriage so you did not have to use the dreaded half nut for every cut.. You merely had to back the cross-slide out before using the reversing lever, it would stop at the shoulder, feed back in for your cut, and just hit the lever and the carriage would feed away from the shoulder.
Thx Mr Pete, I never would have figured out what the other position on the Aloris #8 holder was for. I had been thinking it was for use on a rear mount post
wonderful video Mr Pete, cheers from Orlando, Paul
Many thanks!
@@mrpete222 always...your friend , Paul
Trolls will be Trolls. Please keep the videos coming. I always learn something
Aloha Lyle I do most of my single point threading this way, as most of the time it is to a shoulder. The only difference is I use a radius cutter for the relief cut to help with the stress point. I agree that you ignore the complainers, they haven't done this most of their lives therefor are experts! Theory is good up to a point, but eventually you have to get in the water....😏
So true, get in the water
Great to see a more civilized way to do what can be a sketchy task at times. Very well received.
I was an engineer aboard ships for over 3 decades. Safety is important of course but being aware of your surroundings is key. Sometimes you must wear clothes to work.
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Cool - I have one of those holders but did not know you could do that - THANK YOU!!!
There is always going to be someone who knows best so just ignore them. That was a good threading demo. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Thanks for watching!
I work at a large industrial plant with a large maintenance force, a workshop full of heavy duty industrial machine tools and an aggressive attitude to safety . There is a requirement that arms should remain covered at all times, on site and in the workshop. In almost 30 years I have never heard of any maintenance tech being injured or having a near miss as a result of wearing long sleeves. I would imagine that had there ever been an injury in the workshop as a result of wearing long sleeves while using rotating machinery in the plants entire history there would be a rule stating that they should be rolled up while doing so.
Thank you for that insider information
There's an entire class of people who watch all these diy/home-hobbyist-whatever videos whose sole purpose in life is to tell everyone how safe they're not being and how safe they should be, so that, by extension, we all know how safe (and smart) they are.
It's the same thing on every single channel.
That is good to know, I did not know they were doing it on other channels
Good video Mr. Pete and I have been a machinist for over 50 years and have chased threads on many parts in my day and I do have one of the Aloris threading tools in my home shop that I use on my Atlas lathes l watch all your videos and we are always on the same page, Thanks for sharing !
Right on
Thank you for the video. I am making a lot of small parts and usually threading to a shoulder. In tiny threads the chips obstruct the view and overshooting the relief groove is easy to do when threading towards the chuck. Early on I mounted the tool upside down and tried reverse threading. It is my go to technique. I also do that with internal threading. It is so much easier to see what is happening inside the bore when the tool is on the back wall.
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Ah, those safety sissies don't know the joys of cutting 2mm cuts at 1400rpm.
The blue black chips flying, the odd crunchy walk from the chips melting into your boot soles.
I've never seen short sleeved safety gear, I have seen rubber bands on the ends of sleeves as well as silver bands near the elbows to keep sleeves flat to arms but never issued short sleeved overalls.
We were taught to set up, start the machine and keep our hands near the off lever and away from the moving parts.
For all machines, I might add.
I've never seen you doing anything dangerous like removing cuttings while the machine was running mr. Pete, so you might want to do a shop safety class.
Mine was like 5 minutes along with the warning : " If I find out you were stealing shop supplies, they'll never find the body."
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you have proved a good point. no stress or anxiety.Safe.
But what about us poor folks that have threaded on chucks, and shop ground threading tools? do you have any good Ideas for us? What about rear mounted inverted threading tool? What about a set screw locking chuck to spindle? How do we achieve tranquility in threading?
Good Morning Mr. Pete, I didn't know that these were designed for reverse threading by moving the position of the H.S.S. blade. Excellent share of knowledge, Thank You.
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Nice use of that Aloris tool block👍. Most commerical tooling for threading doesn't permit threading like this without putting up a fight.
I note you reversed the compound. I made the mistake of leaving the compound in the normal position, pointed to the headstock, while threading in this fashion and got a terrible finish on the threads.
I believe I failed to mention the compound position. I didn’t think people would understand, or for that matter even care, lol. However, you are the second one to comment on that .
you are an astute observer.
@@mrpete222 Oh, they will care if they make the same mistake i did. I didn't remake the parts since the thread ought never be disassembled, but a great deal of nautical English was heard when i realized my mistake.
Hello Lyle, When I started my apprenticeship in the 60's, my boss and all of the technical college teachers, always stressed the dangers of moving machinery and long hair, clothing and rags. We became conditioned to taking care when machining and I still am very aware of the dangers today.
Well said!
great video Pete! When I did my apprenticeship the tooling dept. required lab coats and ties once you got to your 3rd yr they gave you a tie bar that was in the shape of a mic.
nice short
Logic evades some people. I don't like people who try to make their problem my problem. Keep sharing your skills and knowledge. Keep the tie clipped high ✌️
I just moved the farm's antique Atlas 6" into the heated shop from storage, so I could take off my loose-sleeved coat while using it. Sadly, the machine had the worst kind of crash-- the ties holding it up gave way when I set the machine down and it tipped over. Time to make some new handles. Anyway, I've been enjoying your videos for years and have been learning so much each time.
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That's a slick tool for cutting threads, definitely handy for cutting right up to the shoulder. Very nice, Tubalcain.
No scolding from me, a guy needs to be warm when he works, take it from an old carpenter that has sided houses in 10 degree weather. It is all about paying attention in my opinion. Great video Mr. Pete, the first channel I watch each evening is you have some on.
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If you ask me, a more major benefit of threading this way is that you can do these threading cuts at surface speeds that are much closer to what you would use for turning. You would have to keep the half nuts engaged the whole time, which means turn the spindle off and reversing the lathe to get back to the start of the cut. It would be really impractical to try catching the threading dial at the right moment every time if it's spinning as quickly as it does when the spindle is running at 500 RPM or more.
I think that depending on the circumstances ( workpiece material, size of chuck, depth of cut) you could run a screw-on chuck in reverse without it un-screwing. On my 8" bison chuck that weighs about 18 pounds, simply removing the chuck takes a decent amount of force. Just speculation, and it would only take one such mistake to change my mind.
Thank you for that comment. I wish I had mentioned how much faster it is or can be.
Thank you Mr.Pete, I was able to snag one (new) off Fleabay before the rush !!!
love your work, best regards, Steve
Excellent!
Thanks Mr. Pete for the video.
Thanks for the demonstration.
You are welcome!
Was quite pleased to see the video just one more lesson for the students thank you.
Must be the same people that complain about me working in a coat in my shop. Key is I don't let it come into contact with rotating equipment. My machines would literally rip your body apart and not even think about it. I don't generally touch any of the powered rotating equipment and if I do I am very aware of what I am doing.
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I liked the video because I always wanted to have a small machine shop and wood shop but never had my priorities in line I suppose but I still like to Learn new things 👍
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I know this is an old video but recently I had a need to single point thread and I wanted to try this method. One question, in every threading video they teach to orient the compound at 29 - 30 degrees, at least for the majority of cuts. It looks like you ran the tool straight in, Will you elaborate on this? By the way I have the Aloris tool you are using and I have cut a test thread and it worked very well. Thanks.
I always enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work and God bless you!
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I would like to thread away from my South Bend 10K's chuck but I have the problem of unscrewing my chuck. Nice video, Mr. Pete.
I have long sleeved shirts that have dozens of little burn spots from hot chips. Better that than my skin. Being aware and cautious goes a long way when tempting the norm.
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NO CRASH NO DRAMA? You just spoiled all my fun.🤔😏🙂😊😆🤣
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Oh cool, I have this exact Aloris threading tool / tool holder, I'm like Mr Pete! 🙂
Appreciate the video on a new way to use it!
Glad to help
I loved it. I have that same Aloris tool. I hate threading to a shoulder. I will do it this way next time. Thanks for your efforts. Many of us are learning from you. You are a national treasure.
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I have 2 of these, an AXA8 and a CA8 on my big lathe. Thanks for the video, I will try your method next time I cut a thread.
Have fun!
I do have one of those holders and never knew about moving the bit. The reverse threading is very useful. I think I mentioned once that I had a brass fitting that did not have an undercut because of a seal, but instead had a step up shoulder and the threads were cut right up to it, clearly on a CNC. And, the threaded end was short and held pressurized refrigerant, a part of my neighbor's AC system. I really fretted over it for hours. I finally took a 3/16" wide slitting saw and chucked it up on an arbor and ground the tip to a 60 deg point. I figured it wouldn't need a rake cut because it was round, cutting a round rod and would already have it. I mounted it on my tool post grinder, put the lathe in backgear at the slowest speed and sawed the thread into it, pulling it out at the last moment. What a challenge that was, but I got it made and everything back together.
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Thanks! I'm sure a few more of my hairs turned gray over it. And, I did it on my Grandfather's old 1939 Atlas 10F in my garage. 😎 This stuff never gets old.
Cool idea.
Great info Mr Pete.
Great video
I bought the Aloris threading tool in 1977, and always use it in reverse as you show. I like that it is easy to adjust the helix angle too, especially when cutting multi start threads. really enjoy your videos.
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Hi there, varying the helix angle was something that I was puzzled about - how is it done ? - I’d assumed that you have to purchase different tool holder inserts for different pitch angles and thread forms / sizes . . . .
@@steveallarton98 with the Aloris type tool, the cutting blade is fixed with a socket head caps crew, about which it can be tilted side to side, to match helix angle. A horizontal set screw holds the blade at this angular position .
Thank you Mr Pete
Mr Pete, Please ignore these people they are full of complaints. In Australia they are the Bureaucrats. Us oldies know the truth. Regards.
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