Everyone Hates Dragon's Dogma 2 - Inside Games
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2024
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Written by: Lawrence Sonntag & Brian Gaar: / briangaar
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[Metacritic] Dragon's Dogma 2 - www.metacritic.com/game/drago...
[Eurogamer] Dragon's Dogma 2 review - endless discoveries paired with limitless potential - www.eurogamer.net/dragons-dog...
[Game Informer] Dragon's Dogma 2 Review - www.gameinformer.com/review/d...
[X, Wario64] / 1770996266933133531
[IGN] Dragon's Dogma 2 Performance Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S vs PC - www.ign.com/articles/dragons-...
[IGN] Capcom Is 'Aware' of Dragon's Dogma 2 Frame Rate Issues on PC, Looking Into Fixes - www.ign.com/articles/capcom-i...
[IGN] Dragon’s Dogma 2 Players Are Planning an NPC Murder Spree to Boost the Frame Rate - www.ign.com/articles/dragons-...
[Eurogamer] Dragon's Dogma 2 PC frame rate issues acknowledged by Capcom - www.eurogamer.net/dragons-dog...
[Windows Central] Dragon's Dogma 2 launches to "Mostly Negative" review bombing after microtransactions reveal, and man, what a bummer - www.windowscentral.com/gaming...
[reddit, r/residentevil4] Pay to win? - / pay_to_win
[IGN] Dragon’s Dogma 2 Director Explains Why Less Fast Travel Can be a Good Thing - www.ign.com/articles/dragons-...
[Steam Community, Superius] Dragon’s Dogma 2 Review - steamcommunity.com/profiles/7...
[Steam] To Dragon's Dogma 2 players on Steam - store.steampowered.com/news/a...
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I watched Lawrence stream it for a few hours yesterday with few issues, looked fine.
I watched MoistCritikals stream of it where it crashed constantly to the point where he couldn't play the game.
Roll of the Dice it seems.
Yup, in my case, I haven't even been able to put the game into full screen mode without crashing.... haven't even taken my first steps :(
It happened something similar to me but with Helldivers, that game for some reason makes my PC turn off (which it shouldn´t my specs are the recommended for the game) but I´ve seen other people play it like it´s nothing and with worse rigs! games are weird man
So basically how Triple A games on PC have been since 2012
@@DestroyIhoshyup, helldivers runs like a dream for me. but my friends with better rigs get worse performance and crashes. making games for pc must be a headache
@@DestroyIhoshMight want to make sure your bios is up to date and rebar is on I’ve had to walk 9 of my friends through it because I quote I didn’t know that affected things
60>70 is a 17% increase. So its like your burrito goes from 14.5 to 17$. And then they take away the foil wrapper and ask you to buy it as an extra. Consumers are constantly paying more, yet getting less in return.
But in DD2's case, you can literally still get the foil for free? You would just pay if you wanted a second foil
"Every videogame has microtransactions". The last SEVEN Game of the Year winners did not, in fact, have microtransactions. More than that, of the six games to be nominated for game of the year in 2023, only ONE had microtransactions - the Capcom game Resident Evil 4. ONE in SIX.
In 2022, only ONE of SIX game of the year nominees had microtransactions (Xenoblade Chronicles 3). And it was much less egregious than DD2.
In 2021, only ONE of SIX game of the year nominees had microtransactions - Resident Evil Village (Capcom again). Also less egregious than DD2.
I could keep going, but I think you get the point.
You have to pay money to edit your character. CAPCOM can vacuum my testicles with their mouth.
Ah yes. Because game of the year games are the only games. What a metric
15:09 ah yes, the: 'everyone else does it so I can too' defense. Just because every other game bleeds us dry doesn't mean this game should too.
It's Capcom. They were bleeding gamer's dry in the 90's. Except back then they added what amounts to a small DLC, then re-released the whole game again full price!!!
Except that it's not bleeding anyone dry, the mtx are pointless. If you're giving them any money beyond the asking price for a full, complete game, to pay for virtual crap that you just already exists in the game you paid for, then you're the equivalent of an elderly woman getting scammed by Indian call centers, you're an actual dumbo if you do anything with these mtx except ignore them.
This is such a non-issue.
It’ll bleed you only if you let it.
Just don’t buy micro transactions, easy.
They're being paid to say nice things about this so, they're biased.
Is this like Starfield when Todd Howard said it was optimized for PCs and that it's the consumer's problem so they should just upgrade their PCs?
I'm not sure, but I don't think so. My graphics card is rather outdated. It's a 3060 GTX and I didn't run into as much issues as I did with Starfield. In fact, my game only crashed twice, and that was prior to GeForce releasing the drivers for the graphics card. I haven't had stuttering or crashes since updating the drivers.
For me Starfield ran better, so yeah.
Starfield is just shitin general. Thing about DD2 is that most people don't update or focus on there CPU's nearly as much as they do their GPU's. Seen allot of people with 40 series GCards but there CPU's are around 8th gen at best. I've got a 1660 ti but a i7 10th gen (it also has a 32 ram). I can run it on high (with some changes no motion blur as ex) getting 60-70 fps in wilderness and never dropping before 30 in city.
(if you ever want to buy gaming laptop or computer Ebay that shit got my rig for only around a 1000 notsed)
@@miroo4097 Dragons' Dogma 2 is just as crap as Starfield. Actually it's probably worse.
@@Wft-bu5zc ..... no Starfield has no exploration, melee got worse, the perks got worse, the story in an attempt to be unique is just retarded, they have less energy weapons then fallout 3.
Dragons Dogma 2 actually encourages and has interesting exploration, the story while not standing out is good, npcs actually react and interact with world, has less bugs, classes are unique, enemy's are the exact same generic humans, bosses have weak points that you can exploit.
Performance is a problem on both but unlike Bethesda, Capcom actually fixs there shit instead of relying on modders,.
As for micros Starfield specifically mentions creations, so your gonna get micro that will be probably worse there.
Starfield is objectively worse.
Lawrence people have been complaining about mtx in single player games ever since horse armor in oblivion cmon man
People sure as shit buy the hell out of the mtx and outnumber the amount of complainers. So yeah, as long there's demand, there will be supply.
This discourse reminds me of the Oblivion Horse Armor back in the day as well... God we are old...
@@radianceytb i dont think that the demand is high, its just that microtransactions are highly overpriced
@@radianceytbstop being so rational, I’m supposed to be righteously angry about my video games!
Ok that was a bad take and I suspect you know exactly why mtx is an issue - which is it affects the perception of game mechanics and make players question if the slog was part of the design or its intended to get you to fork over cash. It ruins the entire experience.
1 save slot...you fucking kidding me?? Lol.
Metal Gear Survive: Sorry, I thought I was being mentioned, what’s going…
I’m flattered DD2
What's sad is I made a comment similar to yours on a different channel but in a more polite way (because of channel guidelines) and got people angry replying for 13 days afterwards. The replies stopped after the game was released LOL
2 saves...the main one which automatically updates as you plan and another each time you rest at an inn. This "inn save" acts as a pseudo-restore point. Just wanted to help clarify. Definitely 1 character playthrough at a time though, and that blows.
they gimped it and never fixed the flaws from the first game
"Dragon's Dogma 2 is supposed to be the good one." Yes, that's why people are extra disappointed.
when in fact the original remake Dark Arisen is the superior game
It is a good game people are just idiots, microtransactions are there sure but there's some crazy Idea, DONT BUY THE SHIT just play the game and a framerate drop isn't the end of the world, I'm on series s and my shit don't crash I hardly even realize the drop unless I'm in a city, which your not in for a majority so I don't see what people are crying about, try playing the game without trying to find something wrong with it you babies
@@taylorhardin3843this
I feel personally attacked evey time Bruce laughs while saying “series s”
just demonstrates two people with an IQ way below room temperature, console fanboyism
They liked your comment out of spite..... can't stand these fucking guys
I think the biggest thing with performance isnt even always frames, but major crashing for some systems, even streamers and others with similar beefy rigs barely able to get past the character creator, like moistcritical. When i see that and i have a 3080ti and 12700k, well beyond the average gamer , and im concerned about even being able to play it. Shame im a DD1 vet, one of my favorites from my childhood.
I mean do you have your bios on your board up to date with rebar turned on modern games are starting to be like hey guys turn that shit on. I’ve had to help 9 friends enable it for games
my pc has worse specs than yours and the game runs fine for me
Not mad by a long shot, you make a good case. That said one thing bugs me, even though it probably shouldn't, which is the "publishers have been doing this for years" argument. Doing something for years isn't really a strong justification. People are not wrong to wake up to something they previously gave a pass and express their dislike, established practice or not. Just my two cents.
Wdym, if you weren’t mad about horse armour you can’t be mad about OW2 skins. Don’t be a hypocrite!
/s obviously ahah
As with any free market they won't stop selling em until people stop buying em. Same with anything else, guns, drugs, iphones, crocs etc :D
I feel like the dlc in this game is the straw that broke the camels back when it comes to dlc
I don't think they're saying people shouldn't be mad about it, I think they're saying people should chill tf out. People are coming out of the woodwork to dunk on the game to a degree much higher than other games of late that have done the same thing. I'm still being told by people who haven't played the game that you have to pay to fast travel or change your characters appearance. Just flat out misinformation. That's wild. Where was this *level* of outrage when Diablo 4 came out at $70 with a ludicrously expensive mtx store? There were some still pounding the table, but most were of the sentiment "It's Blizzard, what do you expect?"
Yeah but why did it take til this game for dumbasses to wake up. You dont even need the microtransactions and most of the complaints are minor shit aside from fps drops
10/10 burns my cpu real good, can fully cook a steak in my PC 👌
if anything the optimisation issues mean the game underutilises the CPU and GPU
Micro transactions incentivise bad corporate behaviour.
It’s not about whether these items are available in the game. The problem is that there is now an incentive to make them harder to get in game than they should be, creating the potential for a sale.
NO NO ITS TOTALLY FINE HERE, PLS BUY THE GAME SO I CAN STICK TO MY NARRATIVE
Players incentive this behavior, yall didn't complain for dmc 4, dmc5, mhw, mhr, re8, re4 remake and look where it's gotten us
@@rewpertcone8243 I half agree but that's why I am in the camp of heavily criticizing this game for it. I half agree because it's really hard to avoid it nowadays but I agree that the player bases need to be consistent with their criticisms
@jonnymiller3491 the best way to show this is to start review bombing their other games with microtransactions
@@rewpertcone8243 Yes I agree. I do think there are certain games that handle micro transactions well like helldivers but I don't think it's a bad idea to criticize other games with ridiculous micro transactions like dragons dogma 2. The reason I think this one got hit so hard is people were expecting an elden ring or baldurs gate 3 and they got this so it's very understandable why this game got a bulk of the criticism. But just because this game is the nail the community decided to hammer doesn't make it wrong
I've learned ever since cyberpunk, just wait until the game gets patched like 3 times and when it's on sale. With street fighter games, I wait till the super or ultra edition with all the dlc included.
Just to remind everyone RE4 didn’t release with the micro transactions, they were added after the mercenaries update
DD2 defense force
No. It absolutely launched with the upgrade tickets
@@dunl7982 I’m almost positive it didn’t, but I could be wrong so my bad if it did
@@dunl7982 It didn't. They were added 2 weeks after launch
This is wrong. It got added 2 weeks into launch.
The console comments bothered me a lot here. Like, okay cool. You guys have top of line powerful rigs. Sick. Not everyone is gonna have that? Majority of people are not going to have your builds. Those are expensive. For a lot of people, myself included, its gonna be much easier and cheaper to get a console to play any of the new games I want to. Fuck, i cant even afford a ps5 still. Im just playing older games on my ps4, 3, and xbox 360 still because ive been priced out of the hobby for the most part. I dont think its fair to disregard a wide majority of players complaining about performace because a game wasnt optimized for something less powerful than a small loan from a bank (exaggeration for humor).
All of that said, i do agree there is a world of difference between this and cyberpunk. Cyberpunk just wasnt well optomized, Dragons Dogma is getting issues because its pushing limits and doing a lot, which i have a bit more understanding for
but should that still be an excuse to accept the game runs like shit on alot of rigs (unless you have a quantum computer) ? My PC is no slouch, but no way I'm rolling the dice to find out if it can run it fine or not (not even with being able to refund). But hey, the backbone of the game is so great we should bend over, take it and shut the eff up (that was my takeaway from this video at least).
Keep fighting the good fight man, you'll either afford that newer hardware one day or it won't be as new and thus cheaper
And also, the PC rig for a streamer/journalist/gaming content creator is a professional instrument. It is like your doctor telling you 'you should get a better MRI machine, mine works great'
BG3 is in my top 5 games of all time, with Dark Souls 1 and elden ring. All had VERY similar performance issues on console and PC, and arguably many more bugs.
@@TheRealPat316my computer is no quantum and it runs very well.
This brings back memories of the “it was on the disc” days when content would ship on the disc to become “dlc” later.
Reminded me of the Street Fighter X Tekken days with that exact issue
@@sdbegotist Was just going to comment this, they were also the first to try this shit. Fuck Capcom. Support Indie.
Now there's nothing on the disc. It's just a license to download the whole game and call it an "update".
@@420Travestythat is misinformation some game do come on the disc not all but dragons dogma 2 is on the disc and fully playable without wifi
@@EternalSpinx I'll believe it when I see it
Having a beast PC with 40FPS doesn't sound good AT ALL!!!
"Your complaints are valid" proceeds to invalidate them c'mon guys. 70 bucks with shit tier performance, random ass mtx (no excuses even in their past games) and ONE SAVE FILE. Games in the 90s figured it out. Let's stop making excuses for shit tier practices.
I dont think people cared about the resi 4 dlc because the game had 0 technical issues at launch. where as dragons dogma 2 has numerous and costs more, so people are going to be more annoyed at paying more money for a "lesser" product
I don't think y'all are understanding the performance issues as streamers with the top tier hardware. This video does not come off well
Not only that.. They have to load every NPC'S stash every time. It bottlenecks guys
I really don't think people not complaining about this DLC stuff in other games means that any complaints in this one should be undervalued. There will always be a breaking point if anything is going to change.
Yeah but it’s such a minor thing that really only affects those willing to pay for it. In all likelihood said micro transactions were an afterthought instead of making the game to encourage them. I do agree it’s pretty greedy but removing would just leave you with the base game
@justinsaunders110 if they need to charge 90, 100 or even 200 dollars to justify making the game, then they should just charge that. But my guess is they don't need to do this. This is a bonus for them. They artificially increase the difficulty or put artificial barriers in the game to drive people to making these purchases. Some people can't resist, or they don't have the time to deal with extra grind, so they get pushed to making these transactions. The other problem i have is that the true cost is obscured by breaking it down like this. This is just another way of using human psychology to extract more revenue. It's predatory and dishonest, and I believe it unfairly impacts individuals who, for whatever reason, are more susceptible to an already, highly researched, and engineered practice of extracting your wallet through your controller.
Back when Bethesda pulled this, everyone rightly got pissed and complained. But the companies kept pushing. Kept wearing us down. Eventually, they poured enough poison down our throats in small enough doses that we got a legion of corporate apologists and a bunch of kids who don't know the world before paid dlc and pay to win, gacha etc. Our acceptance doesn't make it right. It just means they have worn us down. And Im afraid on this subject and in many others like right to repair and digital ownership. It's going to take serious and educated lawmakers to step in to regulate because I don't think we as consumers can rally effectively enmass to fix an economic system that is desperate to push most of us into poverty.
@@Ravenna_BlackNothing we can do now games are just gonna get more and more expensive as the years go by until we have to pay subscriptions to play games made by certain companies just like movies and shows
I have no idea what this sentence means. It's really simple. Don't buy the thing you don't want to pay for. The end.
@@GregorySnipeThe core issue here is that while most of us don't buy, there's a significant portion of people that shill out for those DLCs and microtransactions, which is why companies put them into these games. While DD2 DLC seems to be mostly cosmetics, in other games they are more predatory, forcing players to either live out the grind or buy the DLC to make things easier, which is understandably frustrating. Not buying DLCs is a good step, but yet they are being made more and more cuz some people spend tons of money on them. We would need some sort of societal change to stop this problem.
Sounds like a fun game, ill play it in 1 2 years when i get it on a sale.
AAAA experience, but no worries it's official now, Capcom works on "New Game" feature to be added in future. It's hilarious 😂
The one consistency between Cyberpunk and DD2 is that on release the majority of people experienced issues that directly affected their ability to play the game. If I a consumer am paying a premium $70 for a video game I expect to be able to play the game without game breaking issues.
That also expects competency on the gamers part do you have your components up to date bios and drivers? Do you have rebar and XMP on? A lot of PC gamers down right refuse to ever update their bios for fear of what if break even though it’s the foundation
@@brandonrobinson4970I mean Cyberpunk didn’t work and years later, it worked. Not sure that applies here. The devs have also addressed it in both cases. Soooo…. Ya no
@@YazzPottare you saying you have no responsibility to make sure your shit is up to date for what they’re expecting lol
@@alanchung6843yes but it’s also your job to make sure your drivers and components are running what they expect you have responsibility also, if I boot cyberpunk with a 1060 and and Gen 4 intel CPU that’s my fault. Games now expect rebar and XMP by default if you can’t do that or won’t that’s not their fault you won’t.
@@brandonrobinson4970 4090 and i7-13700k. 128 GB RAM, NVME, XMP on, rebar, updated Bios, updated drivers, Win 11, etc.... Dragon's Dogma 2 runs like dog crap for me in the city (sharp dips from 100 FPS down to 15). Absolutely unacceptable. The people who are saying "it runs fine" are lying, they probably just don't notice it runs like crap because they're either blind/not able to perceive stutter very well, or they're on crappy TVs/monitors that they are sitting far away from.
so i just need to upgrade my rig every time a game has poor performance on release, good advice lawrence
What he fails to realize that you MIGHT NOT have the cash for a PC upgrade EVERY SINGLE GAME RELEASE. Money doesn't grow on trees but for some STRANGE reason, he thinks it does. That Lawrence guy seems pretty moronic to me. It would be awesome if money DID IN FACT grow on trees cause then we can just walk out to our money trees, get the cash we need and be golden but unfortunately, that IS NOT reality.
Have you ever considered that you don't have to buy EVERY SINGLE new game? Maybe you're just too poor to have a good computer and you shouldn't be allowed to hold back the enthusiasts.
My big issue is the single character/save thing. I wana have my heavy armor and claymore guy, my stealth archer (everygame needs one), And my sword staff jedi dude. Each character archtype needs its own save because the way I play and decisions I make as that character won't be the same if I was playing a different character.
Valid point, but the game is designed like the first one, where you're intended to level up all classes in the same character. There's also infinite NG+.
Again your complaint is valid and there's no technical reason they couldn't offer multiple save slots, I'm just saying that your intended way to play the game is not how they designed it.
Yeah, but if that's how it's really intended, why bother selling an option for multiple save slots? @@steel5897
let me guess, you also think FromSoft games should have an easy mode? Games aren't designed for individuals - DD2 is designed with a vision
@@lordhandsomeswag1854weird comment to make, i think this a valid argument for games that offer multiple playstyles. Hell, I start a new save in Elden Ring whenever I want to try a new class. TF??
As a whole, this game is weird in its design, with some baffling choices.
The single character thing is not only a matter of "you want to try out new things", but what if you have a sibling that also wants to play? For example, I was halfway into Baldur's Gate 3 when my sister visited me and I thought, why not let her play as well? Of course, she started a new game where she could create her character and all that.
Or the change your appearance thing. What's up with that? In BG3 you can change whenever you want, no restrictions.
Oh, in DD2 you need an item for that, one that you can buy from vendors (or as MTX). But what is the point in doing it like that? More busywork? I just don't get it.
The same with fast travel, in BG3 it's completely free, in DD2 it feels like a chore.
What's with all the hurdles? Why not give the player the freedom to do what he wants?
I'm guessing it's a Japanese thing, they have this obsession with spending a lot of time in games, grinding, especially in JRPGs.
Or maybe it's indeed related to MTX, a way to milk players who don't have that much spare time, so they have to spend extra to get the tedious parts out of the way.
Well, when one of the biggest creators on RUclips couldn't play the game for more than 10 minutes without it crashing and makes a video about it, that's not going to help things.
Plus, before I saw anything about how the game was doing, I read the steam reviews and it was primarily about performance and crashes. I don't care about the price, the hollow MT's are normal for people who play Japanese games, I'll say it's 100% on Capcom for not being clear about what the MT's are, I went and read the descriptions and they are exceedingly vague, leading to misconceptions.
If it wasn't for the player reviews pointing out that you can earn this stuff in game, I'd fully believe that they were locking game features behind MT's, this is another great example of it's not what you say, but how you say it.
Cyberpunk wasn't an arbitrary pile-on: CDPR willfully sold people a broken product. It might have run fine on your expensive, top-tier rigs, but that wasn't the experience of most, and dismissing people's concerns with, "Well you played on console; what did you expect?" is giving a free pass to a company ripping people off.
And without that backlash, nowhere near as much effort would've gone in to turning Cyberpunk around.
Are there people piling on Dragon's Dogma 2 just for the sake of it? Of course, it's the internet; what did you expect?
Does that make concerns illegitimate? No.
Would Capcom bother addressing the issues if they weren't causing them a PR headache? No.
"But look at all it offers!" Who carse if you can't experience any of it without it melting your CPU?
As for the microtransactions: no, they're not as egregious as in many other games, but when those elements being sold are available by design in other games, and the game is designed in such a way that those things actively make the experience better, it smacks of Capcom slicing stuff out to sell back to us.
People shrugging their shoulders and saying, "That's just how things are now," is *why* that's how things are now.
Performance issues a side, the last Dragon's Dogma had worse micro-transactions and that was 12 years ago. People just forget that because dark arisen baked them in, but that was like a re-release so that's normal.
Plus this is a Capcom game, of course it has MTX. They've been greedy since the SF2 days.
@@Fletch55because they make good games aren’t built around mtx. That’s the difference. If blizzard still released games of a similar quality and EA ever released good games then it would be a different conversation but, If you ever played any capcom game you would know that these are a complete afterthought unlike say overwatch which was designed to hook people on loot boxes
It’s still greedy but the two companies you mentioned are far worse
I really love you guys but I struggle with Bruce's point about the poor console performance being something that should be expected. I had the same issue with the Cyberpunk video. Somewhat waving away criticism that people should expect poorer performance on console is a little odd. With Cyberpunk, if they knew that the PS4 couldn't adequately run that game, it shouldn't have been released for the platform. I think people have every right to be upset when a game releases for modern platforms with inconsistent performance, especially on current gen consoles, as they don't have any choice in upgrades at the moment. Either the game is ready, or it's not. I think people are just getting more and more tired of games releasing in a state that's not ideal. I understand that you both were caveating your experience with your high performance rigs, but I do think people have a complete right to be upset when games this heavily marketed and hyped for all platforms have performance issues. Especially console players, who honestly have the right to expect a pretty well optimized experience from AAA studios, which seems to be more and more rare unfortunately.
First time I've somewhat disagreed with yall. Just because publishers have been charging dlc for single player games for years doesn't mean we can't be mad at this one. We have to start pushing back when publishers do questionable microtransactions or else they will continue to nickel and dime us where they can. They need to see we aren't going to put up with it anymore.
Completely disagree that consoles and less powerful PCs should have to just deal with crappy performance and subpar experiences on launch. Capcom is a multi-million dollar company, and they're releasing a product for that hardware so it should run on that hardware at launch. Just because you guys didn't have any problems on your top on the line PCs (even then you STILL had framerate issues) doesn't mean that there isn't a serious problem with the game and its current state. The anger and negative reviews are absolutely justified in the case of the performance and bugs.
Edit: To add, I certainly wouldn't call Dragon's Dogma an "easy bully target" just because it isn't a mega popular IP. Capcom is one of the biggest companies in the industry and absolutely has knowledge and experience to prevent these problems from happening in the first place.
Kind of surprised they waved off the performance issues not being a bigger issue than it is. Look anywhere regarding this game and all you see is people asking for tech solutions just to get past the Character Creator before it CTD's.
I agree with the consoles aspect. I think having games runnable on consoles keeps the minimum specs down low enough for most PC rigs. They offer a benchmark that needs to be maintained.
Remember these guys big upped suicide squad.
@@pixelambience1767 I wouldn't say they "Bigged upped" it. They just said it had some good parts.
@weavelcow9596 'it's far from bad, it's good, really good, Rockstar good' from the first few minutes of the video. That's bigging it up. Rockstar good (given Rockstar's history) is high praise.
This comment cost me $0.99 cents to post. Thanks Capcom! :/
Shut up dude
You could have just earned it by playing the game. No one forced you to pay for anything.
If you want to post another comment, you'll have to delete this one first, or pay additional fees.
You have to pay money to edit your character. CAPCOM can vacuum my testicles with their mouth.
That's probably why the negative reviews disappeared on Xbox: we didn't pay to post them.
it’s like the reverse of starfield but just that DD2 is more of Lawerence’s game than a Bethesda game.
Starfield is an objectively bad game, DD2 offers so much more variety in gameplay than a Bethseda game ever could, that's probably why its a significantly easier defensible position to take. It's not hypocritical, saying so is just such a stretch it hurts my brain
@@dunderiv Starfield is not "objectively bad", you're just listening to people whining online. Starfield is a mid game that could have been much better. DD2 is worse than Starfield, not only does it perform like crap, it's SUPER short (50 hours to do everything in the whole game, less to just finish it), the save system is terrible, the story is trash, the NPCs are lifeless, pawn AI is terrible, quests are worse, list goes on. There's a reason DD2 has worse user reviews than Starfield. Starfield also has the potential to be great with mods, if Bethesda would ever release the new creation kit. DD2 will never reach the modding capability of a Bethesda game.
The only thing I really don't like is that there is no local save, and different new game saves
@@undefined7141 what box?
4:30 I disagree, the fact that it slows down so much is the proof that it's unoptimized, during optimization they would of ensured such hefty slowdowns are minimal but in it's current state it's as plain as day they hardly tried doing anything, there's no reason NPC's need to consume so many resources on the CPU they could of definitely optimized them much further. The whole point of an optimization period is to ensure such areas of the game run smoothly in comparison to the rest, often times creating work arounds or even trimming the fat, having a game that can go from 90fps to 30 fps within 2 minutes of travel is unacceptable.
There's also places in the game where the performance just shits itself for no reason, climbed a rock next to a hill near the start of the game and my FPS tanked to 15 for absolutely no reason.
The microtransactions is one thing but Denuvo is known to kill performance in PC ports yet Capcom continues to implement it with their releases. I’ll buy it later when they remove it.
I've had someone tell me "you don't know anything about the game, they'll add a restart option later" wtf kind of game doesn't have the option to create multiple characters or restart in a single player RPG? The gameplay looks cool but I was turned off before even trying to learn more about this game.
Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't have microtransactions.
It was bullshit for RE4, its bullshit for DD2
Laurence, let me pushback a little bit on what you said "micro transactions were added in single-player games for years and years, but NOW it's a problem".
Like Bruce said, now it's $70. Also we have been seeing more and more companies squeezing people for everything, games releasing on bad state.. it's a lot of stuff accumulating and people are getting fed-up.
Maybe there's also a new generation of gamers that don't take this BS like older generation did.
I don't know for sure.. but doesn't seem to be just because it's an easy target. It's seems to be that the "pressure" is just is starting to blow up
yeah no it’s really bad 45 frames on the fastest cpu on the market is bullshit that just means people on lower rigs are suffffering
What I hate is the fact that I have to dig into my pa5 settings just to make new damned save file
if I pay 70 dollars for a game I should not have to wait a week or 2 until I can play it.
Ikr...people are so cucked!
It's should be a common practice or consumer law that you are reimbursed a percentage of the cost based on how long it takes them to fix the issue.
I always wait at least a year anyway and my gaming experience became segnificantly better for it
You're super optimistic if you think it's only going to take a week or two for them to fix it... Try months.
Late to this, but I appreciate the shoutout regardless Lawrence and Bruce so thank you.
I found out about your channel and Patreon due to the Roosterteeth closure, so it was an odd homecoming considering how long its been since watched you guys growing up since Inside Gaming and Machinima. I don't watch your streams, but last time I did Bruce you were playing Star Wars The Old Republic and I gifted you a cosmetic set for your companion. I go by Typhon00 over there, and hopped server to give you some support as a thank you for your work toward my own entertainment development and critical creative thinking.
Thanks guys for breaking the media norm and not going with the flow, and for having provided me inside news on the trade from your veterans heads for nearly 2 decades now!
Idk man, the point of "well you didn't have an issue with it before, so why's it an issue now?" as if you can't have your standards change and realize "hey, I'm not just gonna accept this anymore" feels incredibly anti consumer. We can all have opinions, but Lawrence making that point feels just fundamentally wrong and not a difference of opinion. It was wrong when Capcom did it then, it's wrong when Capcom does it now, regardless of if you voiced your opinion on it when it first happened.
Yes, but for some reason, people are making a big deal of it now, and not then. That's the issue. Not that people are mad about it, but because they're picking this time to be mad about it.
@@LARVideos there is no time limit or cutoff date when deciding enough is enough 🤷♂️
@@LARVideosHow is that an issue? How does that even invalidate the complaint? It just means people finally got fed up with it after being screwed for literal years with MTXs as prices increased to $70 and we get games like this that don't even run well on the hardware but they have the gall to have MTXs in a single player game no less? Regardless of the usefulness or price of those MTXs it's still scummy and shouldn't be defended.
@@sgtboom7 That they should've been mad about this a long time ago with other games. It's weird that THIS is the time where people have made such a large fuss. Especially when they act like this is the game that's doing it and there was no problem with the others.
@@LARVideosAgain, I ask how does the time it took for people to loudly voice their content (because people have had issues with this since the Horse Armor dlc in Oblivion) invalidate the complaint?
And let's not forget the game came out an unoptimized mess and is worth $70. If the game ran perfectly, and was worth $40 the frustration of the MTX probably wouldn't have been as severe. It certainly wouldn't have been severe if Capcom had waited to put in the MTX about 2 weeks after the game had launched like they did with RE4 (something that people who are defending Capcom keep forgetting). Both practices are still crap but one is far worse and is made even more egregious when paired with a high price tag and bad performance
That's crazy to say dragons dogmas poor performance and frame dips is justified because of the way it looks and that their "doing something unique" and starfield isn't??
It's just kind of odd because this was the argument for why starfield was locked at 30 fps on console.. because of the heavy physics dynamic reactions to things in the game, and tbh starfield is pretty good looking. Facial animations and what not aren't the greatest, but besides that it looks quite good
Also, I'm not sure what it's doing that is soooo unique.
From what I read, NPCs are the cause of framerate issue in cities, because they have their own schedules and stuff, but for example, WatchDogs Legion did that as well a few years ago, on the last generation of consoles.
NPCs had whole lives planned, they would go to work, then roam the city or go to their hobbies, and that game didn't have performance issues so severe as in DD2.
The problem with this game is that everyone who is a reviewer has a beefy rig, I have a pc stronger than the recommended specs listed on the steam page but the game won’t stop crashing. The performance is so much worse than reviewers think it is
when i7 13700kf 448gb or ram and rtx 3080 12gb get framedrop at 1440p, yes, something bad happened.
The whole excuse the game devs made up for why games needed to increase in price was "games are harder to make, we've been having to make up the cost with microtransactions".
Some people rightfully assumed that games increasing in price would result in getting rid of microtransactions. A game like Baldur's Gate 3 is a perfect example of how people *want* 70$ games to be presented.
As for performance issues on console, every console is the same. Performance issues on PC makes sense because hardware varies per system. Devs can make their game for a NASA computer and snootily scoff at your toaster of a PC.
If you sell a game on console, you should optimize the game to run on it. You can't feign ignorance. If you have one PS5, you have them all.
Game devs have no excuse to launch a game that doesn't run well on a console.
You couldn't get it to run on the hardware? Don't try selling it to me on that hardware.
You don't see anyone bitching that you can't play Star Citizen on console. People buy consoles so that all of the games they *can* play, can play well.
I'm enjoying it tremendously even if it chugs like crazy in towns with my 4080.
Good for you. Don't let anyone give you shit for it.
this seems like a CPU "issue" so 4080 wont help.
That is actually true and I knew about it, not sure why I didn't include my CPU there. @@Luchingador
I’m playing it now. It’s pretty good. But I’m playing on XBox
Series S? I'm on XSS and other than texture pop in it pretty darn good
How does it run on Nintendo switch
60fps and optional 120fps with ray racing
I'm getting 4k 60 in handheld mode, who needs a Switch 2
@@bradford433😂
I knew it switch for the win
All part of the OG charm
I’m paying $90 in Canada. That’s pain.
Mickey Mouse money is like that, start voting.
@@fish5645WTF you talkin bout?
Imagine if you just didn't buy it?
@@dandyboytv8204Our dollar has never been on par with the USD
90? Its showing $95 for me, then add tax on top its pretty much $100
There's no need to justify what you enjoy or take anyone's side. But people will always complain about anything price related. As consumers, I'd say that is their duty. Some companies / games get better away with it than others but that's no reason not to be vocal about it. Much love guys.
Really wish Lawrence had another super nerd to play devils advocate. Sometimes the stuff he says has half a point.
Like ya hes right its weird that all capcom games do this but only this one is seeing some crazy backlash.
But on that same note hes not pointing out that maybe the other titles didn't have the terrible performance issues letting people go into the game and enjoy it instead of complaining all through the forums and finding multiple extras to latch onto to say "this thing is also bad".
Or maybe on the same note the type of people that would play the type of game like Dragons Dogma aren't the same sort of suckers that'll just let that stuff slide like SF , RE , or DMC.
I think that buying the game at discount is good because it signals to game companies what an acceptable price is. If we don't buy the game at all, that will signal that we don't want games like this at all instead of the change we actually want.
Exactly. I still supported launch because there was no bad intent
The one save file 100% stopped me from purchasing this game day 1.
I'm 33, I work 40+ hours a week, so I often stop playing a game for weeks. I don't like coming back to a half finished story, I like to start from the beginning.
petition for bruce and lawrence to buy a series s to use for testing purposes, since their rigs are monstruous
I would happily trade load screens for smoother frames.
Go play StarBalls then
@@josephparkin1810 if you’re referring to Starfield (if you are, that’s a little disappointing, you couldn’t come up with something better?) I already did a bit this morning. Im not going to play this game, but it has nothing to do with all the whining, this just isn’t my type of game, and my comment was just a general statement on Lawrence’s comment that the reason for the frame issues is because it’s an open world with no loads, I would simply prefer load screens if it means better frame rates.
@@Russelshackleford Starfield is the biggest dog turd of a game I’ve played in recent memory.. Starballs is a more appropriate name imo
@@josephparkin1810 well, we’re all entitled to our incorrect, shitty opinions.
Everyone hates for good reasons, in fact only one reason ia needed and that's Denuvo, we can end all debate here and to all those channels and reviewers that knew all that shit was in the game one big F you.
I live in Australia and with the exchange rate the game costs $107 AUD, too rich for my taste.
I'm not sure it's the 70 price tag. I very much remember backlash for DMC5 for having those orbs or whatever you can buy even though it was a single player game. In fact I'm pretty sure I learned about it watching a Inside Gaming video (or maybe it was when it was still called The Know?). The issue with MTXs in single player games is that it will inevitably lead to games centering around them too much to appeal to whales and ruining the game for everyone else. It might not be consistently there, but the backlash makes sense when we all can see what it eventually can/will be. Same with live service games. Look at how many games/studios have suffered because they went that route.
A perfect example is Battlefront 2 (the 2017 one). It required you to literally play thousands of hours *in a row* to unlock everything. The higher ups at these companies don't care how unreasonable that is for most people because most people aren't the target. It's the deep pocketed ones coming off 9 to 5s that are.
I guess it's hit or miss for the FPS dropping and game crashing. I have a low mid-range gaming PC that uses a Nvidia 3060 GTX card and I had little to no issues with FPS. There was one incident where the textures didn't load properly on a rock and my game did crash twice, but everything is fine now after updating my graphics card drivers last night. I'm running the game with settings like high quality textures, water reflections, and high detail trees.
Shout out to Lawrence for mentioning Asura’s Wrath
Damn. Been watching you guys since the early Funhaus days and have been a huge fan ever since, but guys, some of your takes in this video were.. rough to say the least. Within the same breath, you said that you personally weren't experiencing any performance issues but that other people were so that their opinions were valid, but then went on to say that people shouldn't expect to get good performance on consoles/weaker PCs? I paid 60 dollars for Cyberpunk 2077 day one on Xbox One and it was literally unplayable. That game was marketed for XBOX ONE AND PS4. In that situation, how was I the bad guy? If you buy a product at full price, you have every right to believe that said product should function properly day one and if it doesn't, you should have every right to be upset. I do not have the kind of income that you guys clearly have. I don't have the income to afford a High end PC rig. Does that mean that I'm just too poor to appreciate certain videogames? I don't know man, lame poor gamer rant over I guess. Best of luck
And as streamers their rigs are more beefy than a lot of people anyways. The video imho kinda comes across as them complaining about people complaining. Especially because of mentioning that people shouldn’t expect something like the series X or PS5 to run the game well. I’d bet if this were back in the Xbox 360 days and a game didn’t run well on console, they’d be complaining. The rest of the points were fair to middling, but that one felt out of touch imho
They are defending game studios so they can keep getting early access copies and other financial benefits.
Thing is Pokemon Scarlet and Violet was the same way, a great game mired in outrage that leaked into unrelated issues due to the fundamental (reasonable) issue of not running well. I didnt see pushback from that at the time. Performance is how you experience the game on a second to second basis. Too choppy a framerate can make some people ill. I can't really blame anyone for heavily disliking something not running well, especially if thats due to optimization or denuvo rather than proper graphical fidelity, which DD2 might be (I'm not a tech guy)
I was going to get the game then I watched criticals stream where it crashed constantly and realized if he can’t run it I definitely can’t.
For me, microtransactions in single player games is usually a sign that the developer has purposely unbalanced their game...which they encourage you to fix with a microtransaction. The example I always sight is the difference between mid game grind in Shadow of War compared to Shadow of Mordor. One game flows, the other just bogs you down in grind...that you can grind out or buy out. This isn't 'get gud', it's 'get a life' as it's about how you use your time, not your skill.
Anytime I see a single player game has an XP booster, I'll give it a pass, or a mod.
Congrats! It doesn't have any exp boosters. And there is nothing about the game's design that's based around MTX.
@@MercenaryJames Cheers! Of course drop rates can always be patched to make you more or less reliant on MTX, as games often do post release.
really want to play this game, although as someone who will make a character 2 min in and realize i should have chosen face 3 instead of face 5 in the character creator then proceed to reset the game and spend another hour in the character creation menu hearing about the cloud sync delete save file stuff I think I'll wait. Also Xbox Series S.
Appreciate your commentary on this guys (and the streams) as the vitriol surround dd2 is beyond insane.
This is not a pay to win game and this is not a game that has had core content locked behind a paywall. This is not NBA 2k where the game is so unreasonably grindy that you would have to pay 40 or more dollars more to enjoy the career mode, which is a core part of the game you already paid for. Rift crystals in particular are plentiful in the world and twelve hours in I've got more than I'll need for my playthrough.
I'm used to consoles so thirty fps for this sort of game is fine for me on PS5. There is a little bit of slowdown at times in the largest city but that doesn't affect the game overall nor is the game 'broken'. This isn't the release version of cyberpunk on console (credit to cdpr btw for making it the game it was supposed to be with years of updates).
Ultimately this game is straight triple A. It's extremely fun, beautifully created and will be a deserving GOTY candidate. Thank you for calling out the completely overblown criticism and convincing me to give the game a go.
Its CDN$ 93 here in canada. Just the base game
yeah, well that is about 70 USD though. Everything is cheaper in the US though.
@@thecanadakid7622 minimum wage in Canada is almost double the United States (though some states have higher than Canada when converted), it's not just about the price of things but the buying power of the people
Personally I like traveling in the game world to objectives, but to take a game feature like fast travel and put it behind a paywall seems egregious. Either don’t allow fast travel at all, or include it in the base game.
As far as I am aware, RE4 does not have any actual game features locked behind a paywall.
It IS included in the base game FFS watch the video!! Fast travel has always worked this way in DD, they didn't change the mechanics around then shoehorn MTX in after the fact. Just don't buy the MTX you'll have a good time
RE4 has weapon upgrades you can buy via microtransactions as well as items like ammo and curatives. All in game as well but you can get em quicker with spending cash.
"In parting from Kotaku I wrote:
"Criticism understands that most of the games we play and movies we watch are not world-shaking. They are not toppling regimes, redefining our understanding of art, or creating spiritual movements. It cares if a thing is “good” or “bad” or “important” only insofar as it can understand what it is doing to earn those qualities."
I stand by this and I think this is my major point of divergence with Gamers. By which I mean the forumites, the yellers, the Redditors, and the Console Warriors. you know, the weirdos being weird about all this stuff today. Games matter but they do not matter more than the world around us. They can help us understand the world and even understand ourselves but they cannot be the most important things in our life. When I look at the most outrage-fueled Gamers, including those who have credibly threatened me, my heart fills with pity more than anger. What must it be like to "care" about something so small when the world is so big? It seems awful. They live in Hell and they made it for themselves."
- Harper Jay - "Goodbye, All Evangelions."
Law dog said it we all need to go after the games that come out every year with pay to win like EA
This is how it get worst by the way
People just making Excuse.
After excuse for it
Till one day ...🤷
id argue 40fps on a 4090 is shit
Although the microtransaction issue is a little bit overblown, I'm going to play double sadvocate and argue that the overreaction could discourage developers in the future to include them at all. Because I think we can all agree that nobody wants them.
People "overlooked" (or simply were not aware of) RE4 Remake's microtransactions because those microtransactions were introduced 2 weeks after launch, once discourse surrounding the game had died down significantly.
The amount of bending over backward to "explain away" gamers GENUINE criticism of this game is pretty wild. Even for you guys, lol
You misspelled "bend over forwards"
@@JacobSantosDev ok
@@Newport123 think about it. What usually happens when two or more people love each other very much?
Orrr some “criticism” can be built off feelings and misrepresentations . When people don’t agree with you fully it doesn’t mean they’re “bending forward” to shill something you disagree with like stop lol
@@spardan69 lol. The best quality in a person is the ability to find humor in all things.
From what the video says, it is fine. It is optional and for scrubs like me, a good thing. It is also true that as long as people support terrible things then companies won't have an incentive to change. It is hard to hear people whining over fat stacks of cash.
I say this after buying Deus Ex and buying the time savers packs and then giving up because it became too easy.
I always see early waves of capcom dlc as sucker tax; you dont need to buy it unless youre scared of the first few hours of the game.
I have it on Series S and believe it or not it runs pretty fucking good. I'm shocked. The no crashes yet and the only issue series S has is texture pop in and the same issues other platforms have. Like God damn they put in work to get the Series S version running
Am I the only one that remembers the original dragons dogma did the exact same thing and they charged you for rift crystals they charged you for packs they charged you for changing your looks it was exact same thing.
The DLC issue kinda sucks and the performance is a little deflating. I run a pretty good laptop that can run games like Cyberpunk really well and this is very concerning. I have to second guess my purchase because I might not be able to enjoy it. Aside from that, I wish fast travel was still a proper fast travel, rather than the ox bus thing. Sometimes I'll forget something in a game and I would like to rush back to get what I forgot. Fast travel allows me to get that done quickly, so I can get back to what I was doing. If I have to run and fight off enemies, it makes the game feel longer than it should be. Maybe I'm in the minority, but that's how I feel about it.
Do either of you guys have an older PC rig still around? If you do, I'd be VERY curious what experience you'd have if you tried playing these games that many others complain about, on something more on line with what the 'average' consumer has. You said it in the video that you didn't experience any issues because you both have beefy rigs. Which is understandable, it's the most vital piece of equipment for your jobs.
But I really want to know what it would be like if you played a game on your main PCs for a few hours, then switched off onto an older one. Even just for an hour or two, just to see the difference.
I feel it's one thing to report on issues that people are posting about, and another to be able to see and understand those issues firsthand.
Honestly I love the game but recognize its flaws for sure, the microtransactions arent that big of a deal to me since literally all of them can be found in game for gold, which you get a shit ton of just by doing a few quests. Biggest drag for me is the performance, but not enough of drag to stop playing
Since they raised the prices to 70 euros here in europe they prices of games always dropped in month so if you just wait a month you can buy games for 45 euro
And then the game is patched. So you buy a month later the compleet working game for 45 euros, instead a broken unfinished game for 70,
"please don't show my name in the credits" lmao
Brilliant, their name isn't in the credits and they know who they are. XD
Only thing that's often unfortunate about their reporting is that the games run great for them, due to their massive high end pc, and therefore "there are no issues" and you're overreacting... I dunno, the privilege itches a bit
Im on ps5 and the only loading in ive gotten is the oxcart when i run to far ahead of it and go back to it
Capcom's been doing these Microtransactions since all the way back to the DMC remake game
It is not required to have the same opinion about RE4 as with dragons dogma. People get fed up and change their minds. I personally have sworn off any game with MTX because of how bad it got with Diablo 4. I didn’t complain before, but I am complaining now and voting with my wallet.
You do you I guess but Diablo 4 is on a whole other level of mtx this is a fun game where they have some mtx to make a little extra money. Still greedy but the game is in no way designed around it. It’s not supposed to be the main revenue stream. Ultimately it’s your loss if you won’t play a game you would otherwise enjoy on principle.
@@justinsaunders110 then my question for you is when will it be enough? When will MTX go too far? There will be people defending that as well. Not right or wrong, I have finally had enough. It doesn’t have to be this way and no piece of entertainment is going to push me give up my principle for entertainment.
I feel like the comment about the consoles vs PC isn't particularly fair. The game is being sold and marketed for that console, it should work for said console and PC. I say this as someone who both loves this show and owns a PC that blows a ps5 out of the water.
Quick tip for anyone getting poor FPS on computer. Make sure you set the priority for the Dragons Dogma 2 service in task manager to high priority, increases frames a LOT. CPU is the biggest issue
The whole thing about how Capcom are the good ones reminds me of a time when we used to consider Ubisoft the lesser of evils. Now look where they are
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Wait, is New Game+ locked behind DLC, or what??
No. You literally just have to play the game.
You shouldn't be allowed to charge 70$ for a game that doesn't work properly and has micro transactions. You guys come off as privileged and misinformed.