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- John visits Sara at Howard Detective Agency to share news about Violet and her delicate condition.
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Season two of The Alienist opens with Sara (Dakota Fanning) reuniting with Dr. Kreizler (Daniel Brühl), the formidable alienist, and John Moore (Luke Evans), now a New York Times reporter, to find the Spanish Consular's kidnapped infant daughter. Their investigation leads them down a sinister path of murder and deceit, heading towards a dangerous and elusive killer. The series shines a light on the provocative issues of the era - the corruption of institutions, income inequality, yellow press sensationalism, and the role of women in society.
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The tears in their eyes, the way her voice breaks when she says "I'm happy for you".... y'all shattered my heart. They loved each other. They were meant to be since s1. They were ready to give it a try. John would have even given up the idea of a family FOR HER. And in the end the choice was taken from them. She lost yet another person she loved and he is trapped in a loveless marriage. So damn sad. (and don't come @ me with the "she is a strong indipendent woman" bullshit cause STRONG INDIPENDENT WOMEN CAN HAVE A CAREER AND A HEALTHY LOVE STORY).
I love love what you wrote. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
i totally agree. i saw people on twitter after the episode aired where people said 'so we're still telling women they have to pick a man and family over their work, huh?'. SO TRUE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE.
My heart 🥺🥺🥺🥺 your comment is on point ❤️
Another thing: I came across a video someone made of season 1 and it was said of BOTH john and Sara: ‘they’re not as strong/more fragile than they appear to be’.
Both are putting up fronts and it’s pissing me off.
I think he does love Violet just isn't in love with her. If this weren't a series ender I'd think she used a googled sonogram claiming it's his.
this broke my heart, I wanted them to be endgame so bad... their build-up over the entire season was so good and both Luke and Dakota played their parts so believable
I think it was the right decision but it's still hard I love a happy ending
the most disappointing and unfair ending that I saw in my life, in those last minutes they threw their story in the trash ... I mean the whole season because half of the story was about the advancement of their romance, how unnecessary
See, I don't think so. The ending is simply bittersweet is all. And honestly, we should have saw it coming when that woman invited John to have sex with him that one time. It caught me by surprise, but stayed consistent with the writing. What type of person would John be if he abandoned a child? How would the child turn out without a father? If the fiance hadn't become pregnant, John would have chosen Sara, but his fiance knew that, so got him to impregnate her so that she could trap him. Also, there is this whole theme of abandonment.
Who knows? There’s season 3. Maybe the other woman pretended to get pregnant
I agree 100% but I don’t think their story ends here. I truly believe they will get together but the writers are holding back for the suspense. I think Violet is faking her pregnancy too.
@@maryphantomhive7310 i wish there'll be season 3. But their story is already end in season 2 (based on the book) :(
@@movieclips4866 WHAT? There can’t be no season 3! 😭😭😭😭
Hopefully in season 3 (if there will be a season 3) we'll learn that Violet was lying. Or Violet dies and Sarah and John bring up the child. They deserve a happy ending! (BTW, what we see in this scene is true love! Sarah Howard, you're really one strong woman! We all can learn from you.)
I think Violet is lying about the pregnancy let’s go over the facts shall we: she is extremely jealous of John’s relationship with Sara. She knew that John was going to leave her for Sarah so that’s why she pulled the pregnancy card. She knew what she was doing at her engagement party, besides physicians didn’t have the type of technology to tell you a lot or anything at all about pregnancy back then-John never once I said to Violet I love you or I want you he’s only ever said those to Sarah! if they do end up getting married it will lead to a resentful marriage and they will hate themselves and each other. I call bullshit on the pregnancy it was probably her uncle’s idea to trap John into marrying her and become a part of the family. I hope the writers fix this in season three not only for John because he’s gonna have a miserable future but for Sarah because they are the ones that are really have each other’s hearts and deserve each other. The writers also kind of screwed over Sarah because she had a real shot at being happy with John and now she’s left out in the cold.
Wheel Warrior she did it to herself. John put hisnheart out for Sara in season 1. Even as far back as the 4th episode of season 1. she either wouldnt or couldnt do anything about it. Time dosnt wait for people to make decisions ... it moves along.
Matthew Pittard sadly it’s true. Especially for men. (Sorry)
I watched another show where a similar scenario happened, except it started as a teen soap so when the proposal happened, they were in college. The girl said ‘ not right now’
Because she wanted things to happen in their careers first. Men don’t hear ‘not right now’, they hear ‘no’. So what did he do? Move on with his life and when he returns to town with his new girlfriend, his old girlfriend is jealous AF. But that’s her own fault for turning down the proposal instead of saying yes and having a long engagement. It was a regular once a week series, not like the alienist, so eventually they do reunite, but not before having some pretty heavy fights similar to the engagement party. (He’s a writer and she threw his own books at his head. 😭) luckily the show also had a character that wasn’t either as dumb or prideful as violet. When the girlfriend figured out what was going on (sadly she was at the alter) she got the hell out of dodge. Violet sadly doesn’t have the self respect.
@@Nazaba09 THats to me where the ALienist fails. They COULD of really done a good job with Violet. I think if we added up how many minutes of screen time she got in Season 2. Would it before more than 8-9 in total? Violet could of been a fellow writer it the Times trying to make a way for herself and also have a career. She might of been the 2nd ever Female police officer. Instead we got what we .. well got. And that was the possible illegimiate daughter of the editor of a rival newspaper.
and the damn dog...
Because either of the above examples above would of given her character more believability. John would of likely because of his season one experience picked someone more .. akin? similar to Sara. Someone with a 'Sara streak'.. not sure what I want to call that. Violet as presented in season 2 wasnt that at all.. and while she was willing to be naughty, it just didnt click.
I think that coems down to what she was as a character and more likely her little screentime.
Matthew Pittard I agree but I think the point was also to show john’s regression by his choice of women. Violet wasn’t going to stand up to him, she had to go to uncle/daddy and cry. I was under the impression that in the fight john and Sara had, when he said ‘I asked you to marry me. You said no if you recall’, I thought he meant jokingly in episode 104 or whatever it was and THEN I realized his declaration of
Feelings for her in 1x10 was kind of a proposal. So either that’s what he meant, or he proposed somewhere in the time jump between season 1 and 2. You could also tell in season 1 john fell in love with Sara BECAUSE of how strong and capable she was. He didn’t want to change her or hold her back at all. So how does someone go from Sara to
Violet? Utter devastation. Violet acted like she needed him, Sara didn’t. Violet is good for john’s ego. If we remember in s1 his brother had died and his fiancé had left him so he was sleeping with prostitutes but making them wear an engagement ring, leading me to believe it was a role play thing. All this to say violet couldn’t have been developed more because her neediness is what john needed. He wants to feel needed. Sara doesn’t need him. (Well she does, but she refuses to accept she needs anyone.) it’s why he gets so frustrated in the finale when she won’t say what she wants.
I feel like not even brought time as a month had passed since the engagement party for her to say she's pregnant.
I am devastated 😭😭
The just broke my heart into a million pieces....😭😭
Like a dagger in my heart....😭😭
I had been waiting for them to be together 3 years, since season 1....😭😭
Oh for fuck's sake Sara and John stop making me cry every time I watch the clip. Damn o damn I'm speechless!!!
Moral of the story: if you're gonna hit it, wrap it up first. Saves you a lot of heartache in the end.
You think john remembered to wrap it up with Sara? C’mon!
No moral of the story is get DNA test bc ...
Lmao were condoms even a thing in 1900 I'm pretty sure they were still giving people mercury for the clap 😂
Violet knew she was going to get pregnant when she seduced him during the engagement party. At least that’s what she was planning on. I am also sad about Marcus’ death.
which one 😭😭😭
I swear that hit me hard. did not expect that at all
"MARCUS DEATH" WHAAAAAATTTTTTTT:´))))))))))))
Same
So true it was her plan for sure to trap him with a child but then it takes two to tango 🤷♀️ it's bitter sweet because he's with a woman he doesn't love and I feel sorry for her too (violet didn't deserve to be cheated on I think she genuinely loves him it's kind of sad how John uses her) but he also gets what he wanted which is marriage and children.. Sarah deserves better too
Forget titanic and the notebook. This ending is the worst ever, its pure torture for the feels.
I had a hunch that something wrong was going to happen. But not like this. My heart is broken.
John has never said anything stupider than ‘since my brother died there’s been a hole in my heart’. Sara didn’t fill that for you? And even if she didn’t, YOU DONT SAY THAT.
John is condemned to a bitter, lonely and loveless life.
He will end up hating his children, drinking, being unfaithful to his wife and even leaving his job as an investigator.
The romance between Sarah and John deserved better treatment. It was one of those romances not seen in any series for years.
This is the mania of many screenwriters, to keep stupid couples and deny the best. The show can suddenly be canceled and they were left with poor development. They can't write anything.
First I don't believe that John is that shallow a person, now Violet may be. John is not an investigator he's a journalist he just hangs with Sara and the shrink to get a story. They will end up together because you can't have those feelings and go into a dangerous situation and those feelings not surface. I don't think that John and Violet will marry something will happen to stop it.
@@rachelmiller9280 John is a venial character. Very venial.
The lack of love in his life is something he opposes. But until now he has been fooling himself, he believed that he simply wanted a wife and children, not to spend his life alone. But what he wants is Sara, not just any woman, but he has realized that now, that it is too late.
It was always clear to him that he loved Sara, but when he got engaged to Violet he thought he could overcome these feelings, that's why he was seduced.
John is vulnerable, he is a man made to have company and have a family relationship both in his social circle, as with friends and co-workers, and of course in his family. That is why he accepted Violet.
Violet, her consolation prize. If the series ended now, John's final destination would be what I have said.
I consider him a superficial person, Sara brought out the deepest part of him and so did Lazlo, for that for him work in the cases was so important, he became in a better person. For their investigations he is a journalist and an artist, as you very pointedly warned (I am not the cabbage type that corrects a person all the time), but what´s his real job?
Isn't it investigating with his draftsmanship, journalism skills, obtaining evidence, looking for clues, and using his professional sources? It's the same, his work is a part that makes up the whole that is Lazlo's research.
Personally I liked Sarah's personal development but season 1 was much better for each other's growth.
John and his story with Sarah is thus finished, unless they renew and manage to get rid of Violet, whose pregnancy I have my doubts. And more that he is John's child.
@@barbarablue2571 I don't think venial applies to John I haven't noticed in the show of him telling any little white lies or has he and I didn't notice. Certainly, he has not deprived his soul of the good graces of GOD. What do you think?
Rachel Miller I don’t think they meant venial in that way. They meant it in he lies
To himself this baby will make him whole. I nearly reached through my screen and strangled him when he said the baby might fill
The hole left by his brother. SARA DIDNT DO THAT?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?
As far as Sara’s personal growth, I don’t think she’s had any. She’s the same closed off person she was in season one. I thought we would have at least good reasons for Sara’s traumas but we don’t have any. Also, for Being her childhood friend, I don’t think she knows
John well at all. Sara is opposed to marriage and children at that time because it led to no career. In her mind, she’d have to give up being a detective. But if we’re being objective (and I’m a film editor/screenwriter so this is hard for me to say) john should give up reporting and Sara keep her job. Sara doesn’t realize the man she wants, the man that wouldn’t make her choose between children and a career, IS STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER, BEGGING HER TO LOVE HIM. I thought maybe we had made some progress when she got over her fear and slept with john, but she immediately regressed. And to be honest I’m glad john has called her out, both at his engagement party and in this two part finale on the phone. I cheered when he said ‘this back and forth is madness!’. IT IS. I think Sara made john lose his patience when he said ‘i will pick for both of us’. She dug her own grave when she gave him nothing to work with. Sadly she has now sentenced john to a loveless marriage he may take out on his child one day because she couldn’t get over herself.
@@Nazaba09 first off john Moore never said having a baby make him whole .
what he said and meant is that since his brother died he felt lost and that maybe have a child of his own could bring him hope again if he had a child who could grow up to look like his brother who tragically passed way but at the same time he always wanted have a child and a family of his own regardless of his brother but because of ex-fiance who cheated on him with his best friend he became bitter and up tight who goes to strip clubs to sleeps with random hookers and to get drunk.
But when he working with friends on murder cases and him start falling love with Sarah and their team became family to him , his starts losing his interest in going to strip club to sleeps with random hookers while getting drunk became a after thought.
Season 1 ended with a death and not knowing the real motives of the killer or even getting justice for what he did, and we got a death and these unhappy two. I guess the writers wanna be somewhat more realistic in that not everything ends happily. Sometimes we don't get the answers we want. Sometimes people are in the wrong place at the wrong time. And sometimes we miss our ship.
I need a season 3 renewal! If the show is picked up for season 3 John & Sara's relationship is not over. I think Violet is lying about her pregnancy, but even if she is being honest John/Sara won't be done for long
What's that sound? Oh, it's just my heart breaking. I'm a lover of angst but this did some damage to my soul.
the end of sara and jonh's romance is very sad for me. I'm sorry but I don't understand why I won't stay together😪 season 3 please
I kinda get it they want different things
Does anyone else see the irony of Sara saying ‘there is nothing so bad you cannot tell me?’: YOU LITERALLY COMMUNICATE NOTHING.
Sad about Marcus death, this love game between Sara and John has been there since the beginning, its just repeated. I almost cried when Marcus died, and the makers didn't even care to show it genuinely. They just rushed the marcus death as some background junior artist had died.🙄
If this series doesn’t have a season 3 i’m gonna sue them
I don't think Violet is pregnant...and John well he's easy to lie to and so were many men in that era how do you prove it. Plus I think there is something kinky with the Godfather he's to invested in Violet. I think John and Sara will get together, plus she never said never on marriage or kids she just wasn't ready right now. Plus she felt her mother didn't love her so there is that problem for her.
Yes this thing of the pregnancy stinks.there is something weird on it
I hope your right. It was wrong of the writer's & producers to string us all along like this, show the passion & love grow between them only to shatter it like that. Sarah was right...John wanted & deserved a child. She wanted John as well. John was more than willing to give up that possibility for Sarah. I know the 3rd book has not been written yet but that there has been lots of talk that once completed there will be a 3rd season but that there will a time jump. I hope not...i still have hope for Sarah & John.
One thing I wondered watching the episode was ‘is Sara telling the truth about her mother?’. Sometimes to talk a person down, you make up that you relate to
Them. We saw that she lied to Libby about seeing Clara. What else did she lie about?
Hearst is not violet's godfather (what they tell people) She is his daughter from an affair he had
They have to find out that Sarah is really pregnant by him or that Violet isn’t pregnant. They can’t have it end like this doesn’t make for good viewership
I hope there is season 3 but this looked so rushed. I don't think so
I lost my brother at a young age, and nowhere have I heard someone put into words what I feel as a young father better than here. Bravo.
I honestly don’t think that the writers secluded their love-storyline. I think in the next season (If there is going to be one) theres going to be a plot twist regarding this storyline.
Maybe the pregnancy was a lie all along or the baby/mother dies surprisingly. Who knows🤷🏽♀️
Sara and Johns chemistry is too good to end like that.
Let me know what you think
Ikr. I hope the writers see ur comment. ^^
They really played with my feelings like this for two whole seasons 😭😭💔
they both are made for each other
If all women and men were so honest and candid with themselves and others.
I wish the producers would stop playing around with John & Sara. John loves Sara. He looks at Violet as some sort of obligation. Sara finally opened her heart to John. Those two seem meant for each other so why keep screwing them and the audience over?
and the worst is: that the show has not been renewed officially yet, so is in danger, imagine this shitty ending for John and Sarah. With him living all the life with a woman who he does not love at all.
it's bitter sweet because he's with a woman he doesn't love and I feel sorry for her too (violet didn't deserve to be cheated on I think she genuinely loves him it's kind of sad how John uses her) but he also gets what he wanted which is marriage and children.. Sarah deserves better too
I like how scared he was of her. His face was like ‘she is going to KILLLLL ME!’.
Season 3 please.. John and Sara needs to end up together..
I knew it was not going to happen, and in a way it's realistic because (especially in that period) things never ended up with an happy ever after. They love each other like nobody else could, they are the right person for each other, they are meant to be but time is against them. She was just at the beginning of her career and didn't want a child (like the serie many many times make us understand through hers and Libby's dialogues) and John in the other hand was ready to have a family and wanted it, he was willing to give it up for her but it didn't felt right. MY HEART IS BROKEN but... I don't know, i just knew it was going to end up like this and... I don't know
I think this shows that at least he felt a bit sorry for Violet during these times having a child out of wedlock and not having the dad in the picture as a high society woman would've ruined her completely. It's bitter sweet John and Sara love each other but they're not right for each other as they want completely different things and it would be selfish for any of them to hold back the other person and would cause resentment. It's just hard to see I love a good happy ending, but ultimately it makes sense why the writers choose to go down this route
Thank you,🙏♥️🙏🙏🙏♥️
This is so heartbreaking....
Get back together on Season 3 please @TNT @NETFLIX
My God this mann its soo beautyfol,, 🤗👑💓
I'm so sad 💔😭
Sara has metallic nerves. We already know that she strong. But it’s different level. 😢😢😢🥺🥺🥺
She greeted him so honest and sincere 😣😢
P.S. Yes, it sounds foolish.
Ikr, she was so happy to see him
Eu não aceito esse final! Ansiosa pela terceira temporada .
I got a broken heart!
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How dare they do this to us after killing Marcus.
Lastimosamente violet no miente, ella sabía, lo sentía hasta los huesos que él amaba a Sara y decidió adelantarse en su fiesta de compromiso, se le insinuó y se entregó a el probablemente sabiendo que pasaría, ella entendió que solo así lo podría retener.
To writer why you give us this kind of end between Sara and John ? What psychological thinking 🤔 you have? Is really the end for Sara and John ? Despite of all my question one thing I'm sure for this series "Our Choice Make us" It's my choice also to get hurt bec I expect for John and Sara to end up together bec they got me 😭😭😭😭
2023 and still waiting for season 3
show is over they ended it beautifully. What a great group of actors Thank you :)
Is there season 3 ??
@@SN-pj7zv Nothing has been confirmed yet
Man i just finished s1 thought l look up if these 2 had tied the knot and now i see this... I dont even wanne watch s2 now 😔
same. rip
Please do. It is sooo good
Sarah makes it so complicated :)
Look season 3 Lazlo comes back Mary has a twin. Sara will be pregnant. Somebody get the original author to be head writer. and I don't want to wait 2 fricken years and 13 episodes please
Couldn't said it better
😭😭😔😔
🥰🥰
Disappointed but at the same time I saw it coming but was so hoping I was wrong 🤦🏽 oh well
Honsley I would have rather had Sara and John together them with John going with the other woman
Los dejaron Inconclusos en el libro la verdadera sara la policía ella si se casa con jhon.
We all know something bad will happen to change all three of their lives together or separately. Whether Violet is faking the pregnancy or not, Sarah and John continue the affair, or Sara ends up with his friend, kinda? I don't know. I agree the writers could've done a better job however, they hold the power. I suppose it's the little optimistic person in me that whispers this is all for their development and this was planned from the beginning. John and Sara will end up together in the end and for once in their life be happy. We can only speculate. Also, they've confirmed the third season?
Sara is too much of a morally correct character to have an affair with a married man. I think it would be great for her growth development, to find herself in a situation where she’s morally questioning herself because she’s doing something she swore she never do (and I don’t condone cheating for the record) but Sara is a bit of a Mary Sue. She sees everything in black and white. She needs to find herself
In a situation of grey and an affair with john would be it. It’s wrong but john isn’t happy in his marriage and they’re the one each has wanted since the beginning.
@@Nazaba09 I certainly agree, affairs aren't justified. I had hoped they'd end up together and they'd have to navigate through the series as a couple realizing how reality isn't their friend but also isn't their enemy.
However, playing devil's advocate Sara did sleep with an engaged man and he had every chance to get out of the relationship before it all. I hope, if there is another season, that they highlight her into a more 'humanized' light because even I kind of got tired of the black and white attitude. As for John, just given him a cinnamon roll, lol.
Jennifer R. The vibe I got from Hearst is that he is not a man you want to cross, which is why I would excuse if john and Sara continued their relationship even after marrying violet. The way violet would go to him and complain about john’s attention to Sara, Hearst would respond in a way that almost made me feel like he’d have john and/or Sara taken out if he could. That’s the only ‘out’ I give john-breaking off the engagement to violet felt potentially dangerous.
I do agree with you that Sara needs to see in less black and white. For a long time I compared her and laslo in their lack of feeling and emotion, but when I revisited s1 before s2 aired, laslo had AN ENTIRE EPISODE BREAKDOWN after Mary’s death. laslo actually lets himself feel. Sara doesn’t, and that’s why john get fed up and said ‘I will decide for both of us’. (Ironically, He actually didn’t. Violet did, but that’s still an issue that needs to
Explored. With the exception of the fight at the engagement party and getting mad at her over the phone JOHN HAS NO BACKBONE. I get it, he wants to be a gentlemen, but you’re being jerked around like a beaten dog, dude!)
@@Nazaba09 Lol, I love how we're really dissecting their characters. I mean, this is most likely why the writers are like this. If this was my story, I'd love for my audience to pick it apart and get into it.
However, apart from the distraction, I agree. I can see both the good and bad with violet but in truth, she did see this coming. Hence why Hearst is probably appearing more than before. She made use of what she had and being a beautiful woman she knows how to manipulate.
However, I will have to play devil's advocate with Sara because was raised to be a man by her father and with how harsh it was back then. You kinda have to give and take with flaws with them. Also yes, the writers have really made Hearst a pretty dark character. I'm just sad that I'm expecting something really bad to happen to one or both of them to force that change, you know? More than just a 'surprise, I'm preggo'. I'm not an expert writer but if they are following the stereotypical rise and fall method then it's leading. The question is, what do you think they'll do?
Oh noooo. They're not together? What is this? Just want them admit and be together
Wait a damn minute 😲
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOGETHER???
COME ON . WHYYYYYYY😭🤬
i hate it! why not together?
Disappointing...
So disappointing damn :c Please we need season 3 and them together
I´d bet my lucky dolar that John´s harpy is not really pregnant.
the old
trick to advance the marriage.
Anyway, the show is not is renewed this will be the shitty ending for Jhon and Sarah after such longing? So lazy writting....
Look I’m sorry but I don’t think the kid is his 😂 I’m so desperate I’m sticking to this theory!!!! I need a season 3!!!!! U don’t break up these two!!!!!!! Gosh I hate when TVs shows do this!!!! Stop wrecking our Hearts emotionally
shame it went woke..