I use the VMC Neko Weedless Hook, 15 lb high vis yellow braided line with a 4’ Fluo leader and I do use the Yum Dinger 5” stick worm. I catch more fish with this setup. I’ve used a Senko in the past but I loose way to many. Lately I’ve been using the VMC crossover tube. I love them far more than the o-ring for sure.
Very interesting. All I do is catch bass on Yum dinger- 6 inch worms with wacky rig. I do agree that at times, it seems like they sink too slow. But I also think that depends on the hook and line choice that I have on a particular rod/reel set up. Who knows though 😂
@@katietrotter9374 “All I do” was an exaggerated statement. I do use other worms/soft plastics. I guess my corrected statement is that whenever I use Yum dingers, I have been wacky rigging them and catching bass all year long.
YUM Dingers have been extremely good to me. Especially with shallow water rivers, they sink slower giving the fish more time to see it. Deep lakes I’ll use something faster like the Yamamoto Senko.
Great job I think that smaller hook is the reason I stopped fishing a wacky rig but I am going with a bigger hook and see if I can build my confidence back up in a wacky rig
Just watched this again, since I do so much wacky. LOVE the explanation of different baits. I have Big Bite & Yum Dingers. I wondered about those for wacky, since I could see it was sinking slowly. I did NOT know about the Bass Pro Stiko! Good value. I'm 1 week from the New England Fishing Expo. I'll look for colors and density at the soft bait booths, PLUS pick up some VNC Neko Hooks (I do use that Octopus hook). Great value! Love how you immediately start with educational value (not brewing coffee or mentioning your hair -- both which I've heard in videos!).
Great tips! I've been using the #2 Octopus with good results, but I've lost a few on it. I use straight 10# blue ice fluorocarbon and have no trouble seeing it. I'm definitely going to try the Neko hooks and hopefully get a better hookup ratio, especially on those light bites. Another thing I do is use clear shrink wrap instead of O rings. I put a small piece around the midsection of the worm and run my hook through the shrink wrap. I rig a bunch up before I go out, but as a rule, one worm will last me several days because there's no O rings to cut into the worm. Works great and saves me $$ in worms. I'm partial to the Yamamoto Green Pumpkin and the black and blue through spring/summer. Red flake and watermelon work great in the fall.
Agree with you on hook choice. You can overcome the worm weight issue with a small bullet weight, flick shake head, or nail weight. I like a small weight as it allows me to fish the wack horizontally more effectively, as well as vertically.
Great tips. Gonna say though that I have annihilated on wacky Yum Dingers. I do like the Max Scents too, but they are pretty soft, and the o ring sometimes cuts right through them. Plain ol Eagle Claw weedless bait holder 3/0 work for me.
Hey Nathan good stuff I’ve been playing a lot with the Neko rig along with a wacky rig and my hook up ratio hasn’t been the best. I use the small octopus hooks that have the wire we guard and it just seems I lose half the fish I set the hook on. Headed out this weekend and I’m definitely gonna change my hooks And use your advice. Will let you know how the day goes
EWG (extra wide gap) octopus circle hooks are also a better hook up ratio vs a standard circle hook so if you have some 1/0 or 2/0 EWG how in your box you may want to try them out before running to the store. The EWG books hook up more often and deeper behind the fish's lip... just don't be lazy or cheap and make sure you're always fishing it sharp. If it's dull then touch it up or toss it in the dull hook slot in your box to sharpen later and tie in a new sharp one
Definitely don't agree with what your saying about the hooks but we all have our own opinions and I appreciate your opinions and I know your just trying to help people out there. 👍🏻
What coincidence.??? Hit the water early this morning 5/19 Didn’t start that great, couldn’t keep the Muskie off my top water dogma.??? Switched to a wacky rig and wore them out till noon. Was definitely a good day of fishing.
FYI: Bass Pro makes a Stik O specifically for wacky rigs. It's thinner in the egg sack area to increase the action and is named appropriately enough the Wacky Stik O.
I use the small hair rubberbands (cosmetic zone of whatever store, black uncoated basic rubber) instead of O-rings, they are random sizes but usually doubled or tripled over they fit a Senko diameter without hugging too hard or too loose. I've used one worm for like two days sometimes, rarely lose them (Yamamoto's usually, which I always hacked several in half per day with other hook-connection strategies, or lost them on cast). The two or three loop "harness" seems to fatigue the bait less than single rings, and I think it also translates some yanking shock into constriction more evenly around the body instead of just hammering in one spot on the leeward side. And each band loop has a slightly different tension so they apply force more gradually than a hard rubber O-ring. They may also be less weight but I've never checked. I like to keep the weight to a minimum so the drop rate is as slow as possible while still wiggling. I also use Mutu style short shank hooks, they are similar to the Octopus hooks (which I have used, and agree are bad), but the key feature is the tip angle with an inward curved tip so when it's hookset time that locates the jawbone, slides into a corner and lightly pricks a pilot hole and the rest of the hook body is forced around at hookset, the shape of a #2 size and the angle of the eyelet vs the tip still accomplishes what your long shank ones do, and I have a low loss rate even with the barbs bent, like a hog-ring sort of, hard to spit, easy to loop back out with the correct spin. I also get these in red, so that it appears more like maybe something bleeding or tasty for extra picky bass that know hardware is evil. I'd be afraid of a long shank being too much visible rigging but I do like the weedless aspect and the anti-spit.
Hey Nathan, Thank so much for your instruction! Can you zeroed in on on the main line and the lead. What test should each be? How long should a lead be?
Some stickworms actually works better on a weighted hook. They're usually a little stiffer but have more spring to them. They also hold up better. The more a Senko gets used, the more torn it gets and the more air pockets it develops. Also, using wider support collars does increase the resistance against the flow of water, translating to more movement. I recommend using clear shrink tubing in 1/4" ID. Just stretch the worm, to make it thinner, as you thread it through. You can also cut it at different lengths to max out the worms reflexive elasticity. I often cut mine in a "V" shape where the wider end is on top and the narrow end is on the bottom where the hook is. It also preserves the structural integrity that makes the entire body undulate naturally, rather than pinching or cutting into it when setting the hook.
I’m a novice when it to bass fishing. 2 questions on the wacky rig. Is the hook always exposed? Seems like you would get hung up a lot. Is the action just to let it sink to the bottom and sit there? Or are you lifting and dropping it as you retrieve it?
Good video, thanks!! Did you ever push a finishing nail thru the front of your worm to add weight? There is another guy on here that has a video explaining this. Seems to add some weight to help a worm sink better. This of course would be more for lighter worms.
Okay, what about the way you had that hook on the worm? I've been told time and again to either run the hook through the worm, or use double o-ring, X fashion, so that the hook shank was perpendicular to the worm, and not parallel.
I use dropshot hooks for my wacky worms, literally never lost a fish or a worm on them, and i stabbed it right through the middle and i never lost a worm ever, it's awesome.
Thanks for those helpful tips!!!👊🏻 I've been using the wrong type of stick baits for wacky rig so Ii guess the Yum Dingers and Bitter's are better for Texas Rig & Neko Rig.😣 Stay Safe & God Bless!!!!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 But it's good to know that that the Bass Pro versions work as well, as you can get those in bulk for a lot less. I've tried others like the Yum Dinger inter exact same colors as the Yamamoto's I use, and not nearly as many bites. That soft 'salt Kelly' formula of the Yamamoto is pretty specific. Fragile, but they get the bites.
Wacky is another one of my "go to" techniques. Thanks to your EXCELLENT advice, I'm sure it will be even MORE effective for me! Do you ever use O-Rings for wacky? Thanks! Roger, The Smiling BassHole
Sorry I have to disagree on Yum Dingers being bad for wacky rigging. That's nearly all I used during the 2022 season and I've never caught so many smallmouth
Let me toja, U need to be getting paid by one of these big companies for your presentation. U are casting the info out there & u can have a audience silence listen to every word you say you are the man
Honestly I use the whacky rig on my home river and I use it on a drop shot. Green pumpkin or orange black work best. I've not used a better lure on this river .
"You don't even need a baitcaster..."....you don't NEED a baitcaster for any technique. Gotta love these baitcaster snobs who think anyone using a spinning reel is a "beginner".
I have never lost a fish on those VMC hooks. Love them. I use the same line combination and it is fantastic and I fish gin clear water
Nice!
I use the VMC Neko Weedless Hook, 15 lb high vis yellow braided line with a 4’ Fluo leader and I do use the Yum Dinger 5” stick worm. I catch more fish with this setup. I’ve used a Senko in the past but I loose way to many. Lately I’ve been using the VMC crossover tube. I love them far more than the o-ring for sure.
Very interesting. All I do is catch bass on Yum dinger- 6 inch worms with wacky rig. I do agree that at times, it seems like they sink too slow. But I also think that depends on the hook and line choice that I have on a particular rod/reel set up. Who knows though 😂
If all you do is catch bass on a wacky yum dinger, then I guess you wouldn’t know if the other brands work better?
@@katietrotter9374 “All I do” was an exaggerated statement. I do use other worms/soft plastics. I guess my corrected statement is that whenever I use Yum dingers, I have been wacky rigging them and catching bass all year long.
They work great on a wacky rig. Have caught most of my bad using the dinger
YUM Dingers have been extremely good to me. Especially with shallow water rivers, they sink slower giving the fish more time to see it. Deep lakes I’ll use something faster like the Yamamoto Senko.
Great job I think that smaller hook is the reason I stopped fishing a wacky rig but I am going with a bigger hook and see if I can build my confidence back up in a wacky rig
Good luck!
Just watched this again, since I do so much wacky. LOVE the explanation of different baits. I have Big Bite & Yum Dingers. I wondered about those for wacky, since I could see it was sinking slowly. I did NOT know about the Bass Pro Stiko! Good value.
I'm 1 week from the New England Fishing Expo. I'll look for colors and density at the soft bait booths, PLUS pick up some VNC Neko Hooks (I do use that Octopus hook).
Great value! Love how you immediately start with educational value (not brewing coffee or mentioning your hair -- both which I've heard in videos!).
Good luck and thank you!
Thanks Nathan!! Great seminar on this technique. Keep on hawgin'!!
Great tips! I've been using the #2 Octopus with good results, but I've lost a few on it. I use straight 10# blue ice fluorocarbon and have no trouble seeing it. I'm definitely going to try the Neko hooks and hopefully get a better hookup ratio, especially on those light bites. Another thing I do is use clear shrink wrap instead of O rings. I put a small piece around the midsection of the worm and run my hook through the shrink wrap. I rig a bunch up before I go out, but as a rule, one worm will last me several days because there's no O rings to cut into the worm. Works great and saves me $$ in worms. I'm partial to the Yamamoto Green Pumpkin and the black and blue through spring/summer. Red flake and watermelon work great in the fall.
Thanks! Good luck!
Good on ya ! Great informative information. I'm glad to have found ya
Tony in Modesto CA.
Thanks!
As a bank angler I love the wacky rig. Great tips, thanks!
Yes it catches tons!
Agree with you on hook choice. You can overcome the worm weight issue with a small bullet weight, flick shake head, or nail weight. I like a small weight as it allows me to fish the wack horizontally more effectively, as well as vertically.
That’s a great tip!
Thanks Nate. Great content and extremely helpful.
Thank you!
A small 3/16 weighted wacky hook makes the less dense worms work well. Especially the 4 inch dingers
Yes it does!
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing 👍 I'll give it a try!!!
Good luck!
Great tips. Gonna say though that I have annihilated on wacky Yum Dingers. I do like the Max Scents too, but they are pretty soft, and the o ring sometimes cuts right through them. Plain ol Eagle Claw weedless bait holder 3/0 work for me.
Hey Nathan good stuff I’ve been playing a lot with the Neko rig along with a wacky rig and my hook up ratio hasn’t been the best. I use the small octopus hooks that have the wire we guard and it just seems I lose half the fish I set the hook on. Headed out this weekend and I’m definitely gonna change my hooks And use your advice. Will let you know how the day goes
Good luck!
I've caught countless bass on whacky rigged yum dingers.
Super helpful. Lost a few today prob because of hook choice. Good to know why. Thank you!
EWG (extra wide gap) octopus circle hooks are also a better hook up ratio vs a standard circle hook so if you have some 1/0 or 2/0 EWG how in your box you may want to try them out before running to the store. The EWG books hook up more often and deeper behind the fish's lip... just don't be lazy or cheap and make sure you're always fishing it sharp. If it's dull then touch it up or toss it in the dull hook slot in your box to sharpen later and tie in a new sharp one
Definitely don't agree with what your saying about the hooks but we all have our own opinions and I appreciate your opinions and I know your just trying to help people out there. 👍🏻
Appreciate this comment!
What coincidence.???
Hit the water early this morning 5/19
Didn’t start that great, couldn’t keep the Muskie off my top water dogma.??? Switched to a wacky rig and wore them out till noon. Was definitely a good day of fishing.
Nice!
Have you ever tried a Jackall Flick Shake worm on a weighted wacky jig head. It looks amazing in the water!
I have it’s a great combo!
FYI: Bass Pro makes a Stik O specifically for wacky rigs. It's thinner in the egg sack area to increase the action and is named appropriately enough the Wacky Stik O.
Oh nice!
Very thorough video. Thanks for the tips.
Thank you!
Thanks Nathan. Excellent tips which I will apply to my fishing when in Florida.
Good luck!
That was a great help. Thanks so much!
Thanks!
I use the small hair rubberbands (cosmetic zone of whatever store, black uncoated basic rubber) instead of O-rings, they are random sizes but usually doubled or tripled over they fit a Senko diameter without hugging too hard or too loose. I've used one worm for like two days sometimes, rarely lose them (Yamamoto's usually, which I always hacked several in half per day with other hook-connection strategies, or lost them on cast). The two or three loop "harness" seems to fatigue the bait less than single rings, and I think it also translates some yanking shock into constriction more evenly around the body instead of just hammering in one spot on the leeward side. And each band loop has a slightly different tension so they apply force more gradually than a hard rubber O-ring. They may also be less weight but I've never checked. I like to keep the weight to a minimum so the drop rate is as slow as possible while still wiggling.
I also use Mutu style short shank hooks, they are similar to the Octopus hooks (which I have used, and agree are bad), but the key feature is the tip angle with an inward curved tip so when it's hookset time that locates the jawbone, slides into a corner and lightly pricks a pilot hole and the rest of the hook body is forced around at hookset, the shape of a #2 size and the angle of the eyelet vs the tip still accomplishes what your long shank ones do, and I have a low loss rate even with the barbs bent, like a hog-ring sort of, hard to spit, easy to loop back out with the correct spin. I also get these in red, so that it appears more like maybe something bleeding or tasty for extra picky bass that know hardware is evil. I'd be afraid of a long shank being too much visible rigging but I do like the weedless aspect and the anti-spit.
Nice setup!
Hey Nathan,
Thank so much for your instruction! Can you zeroed in on on the main line and the lead. What test should each be? How long should a lead be?
It can be variable but 6-10 pound test 15 feet
Some stickworms actually works better on a weighted hook. They're usually a little stiffer but have more spring to them. They also hold up better. The more a Senko gets used, the more torn it gets and the more air pockets it develops.
Also, using wider support collars does increase the resistance against the flow of water, translating to more movement. I recommend using clear shrink tubing in 1/4" ID. Just stretch the worm, to make it thinner, as you thread it through. You can also cut it at different lengths to max out the worms reflexive elasticity. I often cut mine in a "V" shape where the wider end is on top and the narrow end is on the bottom where the hook is. It also preserves the structural integrity that makes the entire body undulate naturally, rather than pinching or cutting into it when setting the hook.
Also use bigger hooks, if longer shanks end up wedging between brush and rip rap.
Great video. What brands of braided line are best for your rod eyes? Some can be very abrasive
I use suffix 832
Great video. I started using the Spearpoint GP finesse hook in a #1 and it is a game changer for my whacky rig and my neko rig.
Interesting I’ve never tried them!
I’m a novice when it to bass fishing. 2 questions on the wacky rig. Is the hook always exposed? Seems like you would get hung up a lot.
Is the action just to let it sink to the bottom and sit there? Or are you lifting and dropping it as you retrieve it?
Good video, thanks!! Did you ever push a finishing nail thru the front of your worm to add weight? There is another guy on here that has a video explaining this. Seems to add some weight to help a worm sink better. This of course would be more for lighter worms.
Yes I do that a lot
Chompers Salty Sinkers are great too. Harder to find though.
Okay, what about the way you had that hook on the worm? I've been told time and again to either run the hook through the worm, or use double o-ring, X fashion, so that the hook shank was perpendicular to the worm, and not parallel.
You can do that as well I’ve had luck how I have it!
Great video. Boy a senko is tough to beat!
Absolutely!
I use dropshot hooks for my wacky worms, literally never lost a fish or a worm on them, and i stabbed it right through the middle and i never lost a worm ever, it's awesome.
Great video content. Question: What brand of braided line do you use and recommend?
Sufix 832 is what I use
Thanks for those helpful tips!!!👊🏻 I've been using the wrong type of stick baits for wacky rig so Ii guess the Yum Dingers and Bitter's are better for Texas Rig & Neko Rig.😣 Stay Safe & God Bless!!!!
Yes they are!
Only stick worm I will use for wacky rigging is the Yamamoto senko and the Strike King KVD Ocho.
Yamamoto's have such great action, I'll try the KVD's
Nice!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 But it's good to know that that the Bass Pro versions work as well, as you can get those in bulk for a lot less. I've tried others like the Yum Dinger inter exact same colors as the Yamamoto's I use, and not nearly as many bites. That soft 'salt Kelly' formula of the Yamamoto is pretty specific. Fragile, but they get the bites.
Interesting considering I’ve caught some 7 and 6 pounders throwing yum dingers on a wacky rig 🤷♂️
I destroyed the fish at my local lake yesterday wacky rigging Yum dingers. Nothing wrong with them at all.
Good content. I’m using Berkley weights heads
I agree on hook choice
Wacky is another one of my "go to" techniques. Thanks to your EXCELLENT advice, I'm sure it will be even MORE effective for me!
Do you ever use O-Rings for wacky?
Thanks!
Roger, The Smiling BassHole
I do all the time!
thanks cause I've been missing way to many with the hooks I'm using
Thank you!
Sorry I have to disagree on Yum Dingers being bad for wacky rigging. That's nearly all I used during the 2022 season and I've never caught so many smallmouth
Bassmooch Lynch worm is awesome
Good stuff Nate
Thanks!
Nate !! Shhhhh about the 6th sense green pumpkin burst 💥!!
It’s a great color!
Amazing I’ve been doing this, proved this works.
Awesome!
Great video!
Thanks!
What is the best worm for this set up . Is it the one that falls fast or the one that falls slow ? Or is it the heavier or the lightest?
You want a fairly fast fall. A dense bait is best
If you use a weighted head it will make the yum dinger shimmy. Like the expensive Senko.
Great tips
Would you suggest an FG knot or something different for your braid to fluoro?
I use an Alberto knot
I have caught a 7 lbs bass on a yum dinger lol
x zone true centerstick is also a good bait and it is stronger than the yamamoto. For half the price:)
Interesting!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 If you test it let me know if you like it:)
When I catch 16 bass wacky rigging yums, I wonder can it get better.
Strike king ocho works well also
Use two o-rings crossed over with your hook going under the crossed area to get your hook going across the worm instead of with the worm ..
Awesome video the hook you mentioned #2 and #1 not 2/0 or 1/0 hook ??
Correct!
I’ve caught more bass on yum dingers rigged this way than any other bait .. not sure why you don’t think they aren’t good
They don’t have the salt content not saying you won’t catch fish but the others out perform for me
Thanks
Thank you!
I’ve noticed that the crème worms at Walmart actually have a very nice fall rate.
Never tried them!
Nice 💯🐟🎣
Let me toja, U need to be getting paid by one of these big companies for your presentation. U are casting the info out there & u can have a audience silence listen to every word you say you are the man
Good tips
Thanks!
Yum dinger.
Great detailed info & Tips. I will use this on Guntersville & Chickamauga down south.
Good luck!
What about using a weighted wacky rig hook?
You could!
I
I use the Clout worm on St Clair
Nice!
Nate, help me out brother, how about some advice for lake berlin
I have never been there!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 well today was the day and I got skunked
If you’re setting a circle hook you’ll lose fish. When you get a bite reel fast and hard and you’ll see your hook up ratio pass any other hooks.
What kind of line and lbs use ?
15 pound braid to 8 pound leader
What spinner baits good for April and or spring
StrikeKing Ocho is the best I’ve found
They are good
You don’t set the hook with the circle hooks. Just reel first and the set after you feel the hook up.
Nate, do you think 5.4" is too large for Smallmouth Bass? I usually use a 4" Senko. I live in Coraopolis and mostly fish for Smallmouth. Thanks!
Not at all, I've caught dink largemouth's on a 7 inch worm.
I prefer the 4 but 5 isn’t too big!
Man, I catch a ton on weightless Dingers.
Neko hook all day
Honestly I use the whacky rig on my home river and I use it on a drop shot. Green pumpkin or orange black work best. I've not used a better lure on this river .
Awesome!
The president need to send u from state to state preaching your fishing knowledge. Keep jacking them outta the water
Thanks!
"You don't even need a baitcaster..."....you don't NEED a baitcaster for any technique. Gotta love these baitcaster snobs who think anyone using a spinning reel is a "beginner".
Nothing wrong with using a spinning reel it doesn’t make you a beginner but it’s where all people start
@@nathanquincefishing7122 Not always, my first reel was a fly fishing real....but I get your point :)
Someone told me that the Senko's trick to its density is that they add a small amount of fine sand to them. Have you ever heard of this?
I have some use sand and some use salt!
2000 pounds of grass?
A good alternative hook is the Lazer Sharp weedless neko hook at walmart. Very similar hook but only $3 for 8.
Never have understood why fishermen target spawning bass! This just cannot possibly be good for future generations of the species
Just curious, why not?
@j_w-hu9kl if the fish gets injured and dies that's obviously bad, sometimes the fish also don't return to their bed so that's another bad thing.
Agree with you 100 percent. Bass fisherman from northern ontario
You've forgotten the setup. What Length and Action rod would you use for this setup. And what setup would you use for a weighted Wacky Rig?
Just a standard 7 foot medium spinning rod
You caught 2000 pounds of fish!?
Be a better video if it looked like you were talking to the viewers and not something else to the right
Spinning reels is all you need for anything!