39 year old John Stockton dropped 28 and 10+ assists on a rookie arenas. If he and the rest of the 90’s were so trash why did he outplay him when arenas was in his early 20’s and Stockton was damn near 40?
Those dudes bashing the past act like there weren't players that had careers that spanned multiple decades, and played well against players from different generations.
@@joeblow7464 if you look at the top players of the 50’s, they were able to dominate the 60’s even though they were getting older and the league had a dramatic influx of black players. The players of the 60’s had no issues dominating the 70’s. Same goes for every decade. Look at all the players who were young and dominant in the 80’s who then took over and ran the league in the 90’s after. All of these guys played across multiple decades and were able to sustain their greatness despite being older in the following decade.
If that’s true then Klutch Sports is more toxic and detrimental to not just basketball but all of sports with this tearing down players just to uplift LeFrauds legacy
@@Flow40kool Don't forget they also had monopoly of players under their brand. Like the way they forced AD to Lakers when Lebron was taking Ls with rookie players.
Not just that bronsexuals try to use that term and say that there were plumbers and just downplaying Jordan’s competition and say he had it easier when he clearly did not 🤷🏾♂️
@@freddycalipari4242 Still, three times they met in his rookie years (that's the context that Gil himself gave) he didn't score "30" as he insists, in fact he got outscored by Stockton every single time, and Stockton has never been considered a good defender to begin with and he was 40 at the time. C'mon. He tried to brag that he easily scored on a 40 year old never considered as good as a defender to begin with and he still failed miserably at it. One can even argue that Gil did such a thing appositely so that people could understand that he's forced to say those things contractually but he actually believes otherwise given how ludicrous his statements at face value are.
@@lavir74 Stokton might no be an elite one on one defender, but he was a tough defender and has all those steals. He wasn't a pushover by any stretch.
80s and 90s never got disrespected until LeBron won in Cleveland, NBA needed a new GOAT for marketing reasons because it's been so long, so after being 3/7 in the finals that would be enough to crown LeBron over any original top 10 player. MJ isnt my favourite player but objectively we can see LeBron ain't THE best, but one of.
@@beery6659LeBron wouldn't be this big headed of the media and his fans weren't delusional. Back when he was in Miami he said Jordan was the goat, but as soon as he won in Cleveland that's when he started feeling himself.
@@flashorb2707 not really. Overrated and over hyped. He literally has pundits on his patmy role to push his narrative and legacy. Arenas, Perkins, Wright and sharpe are just a few getting bills paid by klutch sports to spout off nonsense
@@flashorb2707 longevity and athleticism is lebron's power. He has no real skill. If he played the same amount of time as a normal NBA player, which is 13-15 years, his accolades wouldnt even top Steph's
Seriously. No one questioning these stars abilities. They can be all stars in the 90s too but the No Boys Allowed league will show who are the weak minded and weak willed and defense won't be a time to catch your breath either.
I hate that defensive 3-second rule. It kneecaps defense. I can tell you, as a defensive-minded player in middle school, that defense 3 second rule basically nerfed my strengths. There is a reason why I committed to cross-country and track in high school.
I was in high school in the late 90s early 2000s playing center. And then going into college all of a sudden Im not allowed to stay in the paint because of the 3 second rule. It was a game changer.
The other thing they don’t bring up is in the 80-90s you HAD to play defense. You didn’t get to stand around. How much energy do these guys have at the end of the game when you’ve been up and down the court. You aren’t taking “rest” days. You’re playing 3 in 4 days. Plenty of back to back games. They score one because of no defense and two they have plenty of rest days.
Most of these dudes play less than 70 games. Which means at least 15 percent of your games will be against bench players and dudes who who typically not play, because you have to cover for lost minutes. With so many 3rd stringers getting extensive minutes, it's no wonder why more players avg 20 ppg this year than any other year.
Let's just call the gather-step what it is: an excuse to allow traveling. I'm a believer that rules need to evolve, but this is just silly and insults the game. When you see some of the footwork that had to fit within the old rules, it was impressive - now it's just lazy, and a lot of "Euro steps" are beyond the two step allowance.
Correct and all moves post 70s to today would be illegal in the 50s and 60s too since they had to dribble palm down which looks goofy today but those were the rules
When you watch college basketball then watch an NBA game you realize that the NBA is like WWE to real wrestling. The rules make it nearly impossible to play defense during a reg season NBA game. Players just have to give space and let the offense dribble and dance in front of them. In a college game a lot of that dribbling and flopping the neck back would be useless.
@Pat Johnson College is based on outlandishness you can have a team like 06 USC with like 5 plus players going to the NFL against a team like the army where most of the players will never play football again after they graduate
90s was the best decade. Not up for debate. Fact... Of the "75 Greatest players", 28 played (at least part of their prime) in the 90s. Far more than any other decade.
And has no winning mentality his prime goal is to break all the stats record in the expensed of his team mate just see his ratio in winning rings 4 out of 10 finals appearance and stil they insist that he is the "GOAT" what a f.....ng "BIG JOKE"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Facts, they've damn near have gotten rid of all the Centers and power forwards so there's no enforcers guarding the paint anymore. I'm 49 with a very good memory, and I can't even sit through a full game anymore. The NBA is boring and pathetic.
Availability is the best ability. You can't tell me these dudes to day more skilled when they can't stay on the court for 80 games. I can see load managing the last 2 games of the season. But most of these dudes play less than 70 games.
Except that’s literally taking all the best players from the 90’s, literally 10 Hall of Famers in their prime, against 1 HOF maybe 2. Terrible comparison
I would not. Since when watching humiliation of team is entertaining? That Dream team would beat current "dream team" by avg. of 30 pts. 10 out of 10 if they use rules from 70s,80s,90s and 2000s. And if we using current rules they would not be able to do that... They would only win by 15 pts. every game.
@@gregtomaszewski563 well that's not much different than seeing the current Lakers vs #16 western conference NBA team....I feel bad for the #16 team because they can't afford better players.
The fact that he got smacked by 40 year old Stockton ends the debate. All of Gilbert's arguments are based around how he played. The point he made that was true is that he couldn't guard today's players. He couldn't guard anyone he just scored points.
As a Laker fan, I knew Gilbert was embellishing or lying about his stories when he recounted a situation between Kobe and Mike in MJ's last season. Arenas said that Mike said something to Kobe about being able to wear Jordan's but not being able to fill them. He said he got that information from Luke Walton. Guess who wasn't in the League MJ's last season. Mike's last season was 02-03 and Luke Walton was drafted by the Lakers in 03-04. So he's either making that story up or forgot who told him that.
Over 35 players avg 20ppg. That's a combination of lax rules, poor/disinterested defense, playing less experienced players and more bench level players due to load management and injuries.
Few years ago I watched a Nets game. They had G-Leaguers getting minutes.... ON THE SAME DAY as they had a G-League game!!! NBA commentators telling us we're watching "G-Leaguers" In am "NBA" game...
Is easier to look good and supposedly more skilled when there's no defense, your allow to travel and (not just one extra step), carry the ball, discontinued, over the shoulder, etc... Let's go back to 80's and 90's rules and let's see how skill today's NBA players are.
Arenas is such a clown. I don’t care about someone having a different opinion as long as it’s built on a solid foundation. But he just makes up stuff and applies contradictory logic consistently. And a lot of these people really don’t take into account what physical defense over the course of a game does to a player. Night in night out getting hammered driving into the lane, arm bars etc. it takes a toll. Especially by the time you get to the playoffs.
You ever wonder why every player who has issue with 90s are never superstars themselves? Gilbert was ok with his habachi shot, look it up. Gilbert never did anything in the league besides get in trouble for a gun. Gilbert was a scrub who should have been lucky to even be in the league
Thank you, I'm tired of people saying the 90s D were nothing but fouls. I had a debate with people saying the Pistons can't play in any era and would lose to a modern NBA team 💀💀💀
Ask Gilbert what he did against those same guys during his career, but his team never went anywhere, or won anything. Yeah he aveaged 30+pts. He just shoot all the time. He couldn't guard any of the top guards. And he had some good teammates too.
Gil is part of the new media-he know his market is younger and he can't keep viewer's if he's talking about his era or old so he has to pump up the new era. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of these guys are paid for by Klutch Sports who seem to have gotten the same memo, because they have the same exact tactics to boost anything related to LeBron while continually ..not just downplay, but DEVALUE anything Jordan related including the man himself. I really wish Kobe were still around because i feel like it got way out of hand after he passed. Kobe was a real historian and paid respect and homage to the OG's. These guys are all disrespecting the game on ridiculous levels. Kobe was more in the media unlike MJ, so the young guys respect Kobe and would have listened to Kobe's takes and responses to the inevitable questions and readjusted their thought process IMO. It's really sad, you even have Kobe era guys being fooled by it. I just had a vacation where i discussed ball with a rando 33 year old at the bar. Kobe is his GOAT. Okay. Lakers jersey on. Kobe shoes on. Kobe guys are passionate. But then he said, "Not gonna lie, if Lebron gets another one he has to be over Kobe and i hate LeBron." I go whhhhat? Where is Jordan?!? And he was so dismissive and almost didn't want to answer but eventually said "i can put Jordan at 3" but almost as if it was a struggle for him to do that like he wanted to put someone else at 3. I just laughed and immediately thought of new media all in his head. It's subjective, i get that, but my goodness how times have changed.
Bill russel at 1 😂 The man played in an era where 8 teams comprised the entire league. When put in perspective, 11 championships isn’t that impressive in an 8 team league. 2 back to back 3 peats in a 28 team League is a far greater accomplishment. Bill Russel opened the league up to African American players. That’s about it, in terms of goat debates.
@@CanYouRepeatTheQuestion The majority of Russel's best opponents WERE other black players so they were all in the league at the same time, and Russels only Finals loss was to a white guy who went off on him. The better argument is his endless HOF team mate help vs those other 8 teams and his offensive stats too low and poor efficiency for a big, he would push the ball up but then he's just a more athletic Draymond on O
And even though the 90s were dominated by Jordan and the Bulls, there was still a huge amount of competition and talent spread across the entire league, mostly. Don't forget..the Hornets were actually good once, as well as the magic
Just commenting in relation to the thumbnail... Arenas has never played for a team in his entire career that could beat the 90s Jazz in a playoff series... likely not even a single game
The problem with some dudes is they don't think that we can fact check wth they are saying. This is an example of someone who spout nonsense to be controversial. With this, his credibility is now down the drain.
You know, since 2000 when I became a die hard NBA fan, I believe Tim Duncan would be the least affected player in any era with his game. From a life long Mavericks fan, his only weakness was prime Shaq, who he still at times bested.
Your example is the rrason why the debate on old players not being able to compete in this era is stupid; Timmy dominated players including Shaq in three different decades.
I have to admit that Shaq intimidated the league up until 2002, even Duncan, but Duncan got his average, and Duncan didnt usually stick Shaq, but I saw the swing shift in the playoffs in 2003, when Shaq was being a little disrespectful to Timmy, then Timmy probably had an epiphany, and just started taking Shaq to the hole, Timmy started disrespecting Shaq, Shaq was history in the Western Conference, the tide had swung to Timmy, Spurs win championship, Shaq Gordon to the eastern conference like all the big men from Rasheed Wallace (to Detroit before this time, but Duncan was cooking him), Kevin Garnett, ect.., remember the West was levels above the East, the giants went east and redisteibuted the talent and skill more evenly throughout the league
There are a few group of players who can play in every era, for example, Maravich, Duncan, Dr J, Kareem, Stockton, Curry, Bird, Chamberlain. Lebron and Mj couldn't cause before 80s they would be called for traveling
@@franagustin3094 Curry couldn't play in the 80's-90's for sh*t. He's arguably the greatest shooter of all time...with no one guarding him. But against hard-nosed 80s-90's D he wouldn't even be getting 90% of those shots OFF much less hitting them. And Jordan could not only play in every era but outright dominate them. Especially this current weak as* gen.
The problem I have with Gilbert and JJ Reddick the changing the narrative without CONTEXT of rules is Before you know it the and Lil hunch back teenagers who can’t dribble with their left hand gonna say the 2010’s sucked..
I agree. I've always said people and media be giving Gilbert Arenas waaay too much time out of their day. His takes are always utter trash, but he says them with so much conviction.
1st of all Gil couldn't guard guys from his own era lol.....2nd of all he definitely wouldn't be able to guard in an era when players can put their complete hand underneath the ball and take 4 or 5 steps to get their move off
Perfect breakdown. When my friend showed me that clip when it first dropped, I went straight to the numbers and it’s an easy dunk to prove it false. Also, the physical defense wasn’t about fouling as much as the refs respecting the defense’s right to occupy space on the court. They held and were allowed to by the officials to own their established position and that created most contact. Nowadays, offenses are rewarded for creating contact and that right to space is denied by the refs every time.
Can't combine the 80s to the 90s as if they're equal. Scoring in the 80s was more comparable than today's scoring than the 90s. There were actually legit and frequent complaints about the quality of 90s ball as compared to the 80s. The 90s game was reportedly watered down due to expansion and the retirement and decline of all time greats that made the 80s the best years.
Gilbert Arenas: How do you feel you could have done in the 80s-90s era?? Be honest with yourself. How are you only a 3 time all star player in 12 years?? No motivation? Did you not want to improve your PPG% average? Ok…what about a DPOY 🏆that doesn’t require any points.🤯 All you have to do is shut down your opponent!🤦🏾♂️ Go sit down and re-evaluate your career and stop 🛑 talking down about the previous era’s. You never won a 🏆 you never was asked to join a super team. Gilbert,you’re yelling from the moon. Just stop ‼️ You are embarrassing yourself 😂🤣🫠🫠🫠
Can we all just agree that the Hawks' "wingspan" uniforms from '95-99 were the absolute worst? They were not "so bad they were good," they were just bad. Historically bad.
amen, my brother. you are the best and proving these woke people wrong. The stats don't lie. 80s and 90s players were still great in the 2000s and beyond.
This is why I don't like to compare eras. Everyone thinks that if you drop a player in the 80s in the NBA now they wouldn't succeed. Thats BS. If Reggie Miller was born in say 1998 guess what he would still be the same Reggie Miller. In fact I can make the argument that he might be better because of the rule changes its way easier to get his shot off
Homie said grant hill wasn’t killing. Then proceeded to state how grant hill averaged 21 as a rookie in a “Defensive era”. Are you kidding me? Also rebounds and assists stls and blocks.
Gilbert Arenas has such a high opinion of himself that he believes his opinions are all truth. The 90s were rougher than it was when he played. Be humble people
add to the major differences in rules the fact that today almost every contact made is a defensive foul, an offensive player can push the defensive player off him with body or off hand and not be called
Arenas, Perkins, JJ, Nick Wright, and Shannon use these weak Narratives to make Lebron's Career look more superior and difficult than Jordan. Lebron's Eastern Conference run was by far the weakest and most overrated by any All Time Great in the last 40 years.
Everybody wants to feel special and unique in their era. (Truth is, it's ego that gets them trying to conquer other eras in which they didn't play and know nothing.) We even see this in Formula 1, where an average of 3 or 4 drivers would die every season during the 1960s and 1970s.... Far easier to rack up multiple championships when you're in the best machinery and NOT dead 😉🙄
Ego, you are correct. Kinda sad when you see it. It’s just a pathetic little voice in their head screaming me me me 🤣 Gilbert is a clown, he’ll be right less often than a broken clock and he’s not not very bright 🤷♀️
What are the chances Gil ran into MJ at a run and Jordan gave it to him. LeBron ran pickup at a Jordan camp while in High School. Remember, MJ was active way past his playing days even beating Charlotte Bobcats 1 on 1 in his late 40's and early 50's.
But why is it that no one confronts these guys with facts? Like "So Gilbert, you said you barbecued Stockton but in 3 games you scored a total of 22 points, what do you have to say?"
39 year old John Stockton dropped 28 and 10+ assists on a rookie arenas. If he and the rest of the 90’s were so trash why did he outplay him when arenas was in his early 20’s and Stockton was damn near 40?
Those dudes bashing the past act like there weren't players that had careers that spanned multiple decades, and played well against players from different generations.
@@joeblow7464 if you look at the top players of the 50’s, they were able to dominate the 60’s even though they were getting older and the league had a dramatic influx of black players. The players of the 60’s had no issues dominating the 70’s. Same goes for every decade. Look at all the players who were young and dominant in the 80’s who then took over and ran the league in the 90’s after. All of these guys played across multiple decades and were able to sustain their greatness despite being older in the following decade.
@@tonj02 what player’s from the 60’s dominated the 70’s?
lebron was getting bounced in the playoffs by 90s players
@J by gaining experience during the 80s they took over in the 90s
Gilbert is actually under klutch sports just to point that out and thank you for embarrassing him with his lies
So they got their Media Moles out there pushing the LeBron agenda. Maybe that's the only thing he is better than Jordan at.
If that’s true then Klutch Sports is more toxic and detrimental to not just basketball but all of sports with this tearing down players just to uplift LeFrauds legacy
I didn’t know that 😮
@@Flow40kool Don't forget they also had monopoly of players under their brand. Like the way they forced AD to Lakers when Lebron was taking Ls with rookie players.
Makes sense
Gilbert Arenas a LeBron D Rider
Not just that bronsexuals try to use that term and say that there were plumbers and just downplaying Jordan’s competition and say he had it easier when he clearly did not 🤷🏾♂️
Gilbert glazes LeBron every chance he gets, its wild.
@@theonlybrg8227fr defense is non-existent these days compared to the 90s
@@Mike00513 leaves no chance to do so
@@theonlybrg8227 lebron was getting bounced in the playoffs by 90s players but they were weak though
Not only did Gilbert not score 30 in a game against the Jazz in his rookie year, he scored 24 points combined in 3 games 😂
It means 8 points a game, that's triple single fs 🤣🤣🤣
He scored 34 against them his sophomore year. Gil was on the bench for half his rookie season don’t forget that.
@@freddycalipari4242 Still, three times they met in his rookie years (that's the context that Gil himself gave) he didn't score "30" as he insists, in fact he got outscored by Stockton every single time, and Stockton has never been considered a good defender to begin with and he was 40 at the time. C'mon. He tried to brag that he easily scored on a 40 year old never considered as good as a defender to begin with and he still failed miserably at it. One can even argue that Gil did such a thing appositely so that people could understand that he's forced to say those things contractually but he actually believes otherwise given how ludicrous his statements at face value are.
@@lavir74 Umm hes the all time steals leader
@@lavir74 Stokton might no be an elite one on one defender, but he was a tough defender and has all those steals. He wasn't a pushover by any stretch.
80s and 90s never got disrespected until LeBron won in Cleveland, NBA needed a new GOAT for marketing reasons because it's been so long, so after being 3/7 in the finals that would be enough to crown LeBron over any original top 10 player.
MJ isnt my favourite player but objectively we can see LeBron ain't THE best, but one of.
@@beery6659LeBron wouldn't be this big headed of the media and his fans weren't delusional. Back when he was in Miami he said Jordan was the goat, but as soon as he won in Cleveland that's when he started feeling himself.
Lebron easily clear any one not name MJ.
@@flashorb2707 not really. Overrated and over hyped. He literally has pundits on his patmy role to push his narrative and legacy. Arenas, Perkins, Wright and sharpe are just a few getting bills paid by klutch sports to spout off nonsense
@@flashorb2707 longevity and athleticism is lebron's power. He has no real skill. If he played the same amount of time as a normal NBA player, which is 13-15 years, his accolades wouldnt even top Steph's
No the oldheads were disrespectful first. They pretend like Giannis wouldn’t survive that era. Respect is a two way street.
I'm starting to think Gil is paid by Bron 🤡
He is
He's A Client Of "Clutch Sports"... Therefore He Is Payed By LeBron Indirectly.
He is literally paid by LeBron. Look it up
He probably is.
The only argument they have is “Yeah, Jordan was better but LeBron is better cause his era was better than Jordan’s.”
@Rell Gilbert, is that you???
Make the NBA the 90's again
Seriously. No one questioning these stars abilities. They can be all stars in the 90s too but the No Boys Allowed league will show who are the weak minded and weak willed and defense won't be a time to catch your breath either.
Today's players would travel in every possession in the 90s.
Steph clearly traveled on that one play in this video...
Illegal defense would be called in every possession too )
Thank you, the shit dribbling they get away with today is ridiculous.
And 90s players would travel and carry every possession in the 50s, so let’s keep that same energy
@@gggyy7104 did they added an extra step "gather step" in the 90s like they did a couple years ago? I don't recall but if they did please post.
the defensive 3 second rule is the worst rule, next to never calling a travel.
I hate that defensive 3-second rule. It kneecaps defense.
I can tell you, as a defensive-minded player in middle school, that defense 3 second rule basically nerfed my strengths. There is a reason why I committed to cross-country and track in high school.
I was in high school in the late 90s early 2000s playing center. And then going into college all of a sudden Im not allowed to stay in the paint because of the 3 second rule. It was a game changer.
Nowadays there's a lot of traveling, I see more than 3steps...
The other thing they don’t bring up is in the 80-90s you HAD to play defense. You didn’t get to stand around. How much energy do these guys have at the end of the game when you’ve been up and down the court. You aren’t taking “rest” days. You’re playing 3 in 4 days. Plenty of back to back games. They score one because of no defense and two they have plenty of rest days.
U right and I don’t care how good someone was on offense. If they did play d they not playing a lot
Stop D riding and watch some film.
Most of these dudes play less than 70 games. Which means at least 15 percent of your games will be against bench players and dudes who who typically not play, because you have to cover for lost minutes. With so many 3rd stringers getting extensive minutes, it's no wonder why more players avg 20 ppg this year than any other year.
You have literally no names dropping 30 pieces nowadays, it’s so stupid.
BASED
@@aaronbarkley539
30 is the new 15!!!
Tanking Spurs just scored 131 losing to a playoff team!!!
What's sad is Arenas thinks he's being logical. He's never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.
That's why anyone with a brain should disregard anything he says...🤡
And never be😝😝😝😝
Defense does not exist in the NBA today.
Exactly rules are placed for offense to score to the point where u can’t even reply guard anyone
Just like travelling doesn't exist. They might as well take it out of the rule book.
Let's just call the gather-step what it is: an excuse to allow traveling. I'm a believer that rules need to evolve, but this is just silly and insults the game. When you see some of the footwork that had to fit within the old rules, it was impressive - now it's just lazy, and a lot of "Euro steps" are beyond the two step allowance.
It also never existed in Arenas playing career.
Gilbert: ...the moves that they do now...
80's Rep: would be traveling.carrying, double dribbling, etc.,
Correct and all moves post 70s to today would be illegal in the 50s and 60s too since they had to dribble palm down which looks goofy today but those were the rules
also a.i . would break all the ankles of todays guys . what moves he talking about lol.
We all know why gilbert was called "Agent Zero"
More like Agent Loser
Zero IQ
Gil and JJ were not good enough to be talking about anybody!!
Lol maaaan thank you for sayin that, the social media era is accepting this trash
FACTS ✔️
If that is true then why are any of is here talking?
Also in the 80s the NBA had 6'10 guy who was unstoppable offensive wise. His name was Larry Bird.
And Magic
AND DR.J and lets not forget Kareem
Gilbert wouldn't average 20 in the 90's
He wouldn't have even made it onto a team.
When you watch college basketball then watch an NBA game you realize that the NBA is like WWE to real wrestling. The rules make it nearly impossible to play defense during a reg season NBA game. Players just have to give space and let the offense dribble and dance in front of them. In a college game a lot of that dribbling and flopping the neck back would be useless.
You could also say this about the NFL and College Football. NFL is rigged for offense. College is based on strategy.
@Pat Johnson College is based on outlandishness you can have a team like 06 USC with like 5 plus players going to the NFL against a team like the army where most of the players will never play football again after they graduate
College hoops is trash
..kd can't even guard his emotions getting critiqued by the media
90s was the best decade. Not up for debate.
Fact... Of the "75 Greatest players", 28 played (at least part of their prime) in the 90s. Far more than any other decade.
80s better than 90s
If you’re talking skill, NBA today by far not even close. If you’re talking entertainment, 2000’s was the best decade in my opinion.
@@gggyy7104”skill”
LeBron didn't even have a killer instinct nor did he talk trash but he still had Gil in his pocket. What a joke 😂
Lebron owns a powerful media company and is an active face of the league. Of course GA going to D ride for clout and money.
And has no winning mentality his prime goal is to break all the stats record in the expensed of his team mate just see his ratio in winning rings 4 out of 10 finals appearance and stil they insist that he is the "GOAT" what a f.....ng "BIG JOKE"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nobody is playing any defense anyway so it "looks" like the offense is stronger. And these are players who are not even trying to play 82 games.
Facts, they've damn near have gotten rid of all the Centers and power forwards so there's no enforcers guarding the paint anymore. I'm 49 with a very good memory, and I can't even sit through a full game anymore. The NBA is boring and pathetic.
Availability is the best ability. You can't tell me these dudes to day more skilled when they can't stay on the court for 80 games. I can see load managing the last 2 games of the season. But most of these dudes play less than 70 games.
That's why lebron has played 20 years. He only plays 64gm/yr.
@@nathanlawson313 and they called it durability🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@alexander4615 😂😂😂
I'm proud of you youngin for doing the research
JJ reddick and Gilbert Arenas are on a fugg by mission!!
If Gilbert played in the 80s and early 90s we wouldn't know who he was...
We still don’t know who he is lmfao everyone who knows him knows him for his trash ass takes
Nobody knows him now
@@tonistark981 lol
i would love to see the dream team of 1992 (with all players in their prime) going against any nba team today
bird with no back bone injury and magic no hiv. With jordan as third captain, who would guard any of them. Especially the three alphas.
They would destroy any modern team
Except that’s literally taking all the best players from the 90’s, literally 10 Hall of Famers in their prime, against 1 HOF maybe 2. Terrible comparison
I would not. Since when watching humiliation of team is entertaining? That Dream team would beat current "dream team" by avg. of 30 pts. 10 out of 10 if they use rules from 70s,80s,90s and 2000s. And if we using current rules they would not be able to do that... They would only win by 15 pts. every game.
@@gregtomaszewski563 well that's not much different than seeing the current Lakers vs #16 western conference NBA team....I feel bad for the #16 team because they can't afford better players.
Nobody playing today could last five minutes with bird. Gilbert would have gone crying to his mama
The fact that he got smacked by 40 year old Stockton ends the debate. All of Gilbert's arguments are based around how he played. The point he made that was true is that he couldn't guard today's players. He couldn't guard anyone he just scored points.
Arenas was playing for the highlights, Stockton was playing to get a ring.
Well he never got one so 😂
As a Laker fan, I knew Gilbert was embellishing or lying about his stories when he recounted a situation between Kobe and Mike in MJ's last season.
Arenas said that Mike said something to Kobe about being able to wear Jordan's but not being able to fill them. He said he got that information from Luke Walton. Guess who wasn't in the League MJ's last season. Mike's last season was 02-03 and Luke Walton was drafted by the Lakers in 03-04. So he's either making that story up or forgot who told him that.
Over 35 players avg 20ppg. That's a combination of lax rules, poor/disinterested defense, playing less experienced players and more bench level players due to load management and injuries.
55 players are avg over 20 this year
Lets not forget, they can also carry, double dribble, travel and the refs really don't care if it's with a "gather step" or not.
Few years ago I watched a Nets game.
They had G-Leaguers getting minutes.... ON THE SAME DAY as they had a G-League game!!!
NBA commentators telling us we're watching "G-Leaguers" In am "NBA" game...
I was born in 2004 and I agree that the 1990s were by far the best era in nba history
Gilbert should be the last to talk about defense. Ever since Lebron whispered in his air Gilbert has been riding that dude.
90 = Golden era in human history
Gil is showcasing why he was a limited player...by himself and his attitude. Stockton would be like CP3 in this era as well
Is easier to look good and supposedly more skilled when there's no defense, your allow to travel and (not just one extra step), carry the ball, discontinued, over the shoulder, etc... Let's go back to 80's and 90's rules and let's see how skill today's NBA players are.
en Simmons is scared to shoot a wide open jumper, how is this era better than the 80's and 90's again?
Wide open lay ups even
Exactly, there was another kid drafted high who was scared to shoot the ball as well and I can’t remember his name
That’s one player tho…. 93 percent of the league is capable of knocking down 5 plus 3 s, can’t say the same about 90
Arenas is such a clown. I don’t care about someone having a different opinion as long as it’s built on a solid foundation. But he just makes up stuff and applies contradictory logic consistently.
And a lot of these people really don’t take into account what physical defense over the course of a game does to a player. Night in night out getting hammered driving into the lane, arm bars etc. it takes a toll. Especially by the time you get to the playoffs.
You ever wonder why every player who has issue with 90s are never superstars themselves? Gilbert was ok with his habachi shot, look it up. Gilbert never did anything in the league besides get in trouble for a gun. Gilbert was a scrub who should have been lucky to even be in the league
I'm convinced Gilbert is paid PR for the NBA's subpar product of this era.
Thank you, I'm tired of people saying the 90s D were nothing but fouls. I had a debate with people saying the Pistons can't play in any era and would lose to a modern NBA team 💀💀💀
Prime Zeke alone would tear apart most modern NBA teams
Bro
Ask Gilbert what he did against those same guys during his career, but his team never went anywhere, or won anything. Yeah he aveaged 30+pts. He just shoot all the time. He couldn't guard any of the top guards. And he had some good teammates too.
Gil is part of the new media-he know his market is younger and he can't keep viewer's if he's talking about his era or old so he has to pump up the new era. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of these guys are paid for by Klutch Sports who seem to have gotten the same memo, because they have the same exact tactics to boost anything related to LeBron while continually ..not just downplay, but DEVALUE anything Jordan related including the man himself. I really wish Kobe were still around because i feel like it got way out of hand after he passed. Kobe was a real historian and paid respect and homage to the OG's. These guys are all disrespecting the game on ridiculous levels. Kobe was more in the media unlike MJ, so the young guys respect Kobe and would have listened to Kobe's takes and responses to the inevitable questions and readjusted their thought process IMO.
It's really sad, you even have Kobe era guys being fooled by it. I just had a vacation where i discussed ball with a rando 33 year old at the bar. Kobe is his GOAT. Okay. Lakers jersey on. Kobe shoes on. Kobe guys are passionate. But then he said, "Not gonna lie, if Lebron gets another one he has to be over Kobe and i hate LeBron." I go whhhhat? Where is Jordan?!? And he was so dismissive and almost didn't want to answer but eventually said "i can put Jordan at 3" but almost as if it was a struggle for him to do that like he wanted to put someone else at 3. I just laughed and immediately thought of new media all in his head. It's subjective, i get that, but my goodness how times have changed.
I mean I don't have Jordan at 1 either, I got Bill Russell. Jordan's right behind him at 2 for me, though.
@@fobinc that's all good. I got tons for respect for the real OGs. I can make arguments for Jordan over but I can respect the winning
And they devalue THEMSELVES in the process!!!
Bill russel at 1 😂
The man played in an era where 8 teams comprised the entire league.
When put in perspective, 11 championships isn’t that impressive in an 8 team league.
2 back to back 3 peats in a 28 team League is a far greater accomplishment.
Bill Russel opened the league up to African American players. That’s about it, in terms of goat debates.
@@CanYouRepeatTheQuestion The majority of Russel's best opponents WERE other black players so they were all in the league at the same time, and Russels only Finals loss was to a white guy who went off on him. The better argument is his endless HOF team mate help vs those other 8 teams and his offensive stats too low and poor efficiency for a big, he would push the ball up but then he's just a more athletic Draymond on O
The 90s literally gave us the best franchise in NBA history, Arenas smoking something,
If you consider carrying and traveling new moves then I guess they have advanced moves.
And even though the 90s were dominated by Jordan and the Bulls, there was still a huge amount of competition and talent spread across the entire league, mostly.
Don't forget..the Hornets were actually good once, as well as the magic
His idea of defense is a gun 😑
😂😂😂
Grant Hill was really good but him and Pistons in 90s never came close to beating the Bulls. Lol. Arenas is nuts
That was a straight wash era by the Bulls after the bad boys run. Detroit wasn't touching Chicago.
Just commenting in relation to the thumbnail... Arenas has never played for a team in his entire career that could beat the 90s Jazz in a playoff series... likely not even a single game
Malone pop his ass with one of them elbows or Stockton sets a hard screen or runs hard thru a pick, Gil gonna be looking for a firearm or some shit.
Arenas didn't even have any longevity so he didn't even get the HONOR of getting cooked by a next Gen player.
Word. Couldn't hold up in his own era...😂😂😂
The problem with some dudes is they don't think that we can fact check wth they are saying. This is an example of someone who spout nonsense to be controversial. With this, his credibility is now down the drain.
"I gave him like 27 EASY... dut dut dut..."
What, 27 minutes? 27 high fives? 27 suicides in practice for getting cooked by a 40 year old?
You know, since 2000 when I became a die hard NBA fan, I believe Tim Duncan would be the least affected player in any era with his game. From a life long Mavericks fan, his only weakness was prime Shaq, who he still at times bested.
Your example is the rrason why the debate on old players not being able to compete in this era is stupid; Timmy dominated players including Shaq in three different decades.
I have to admit that Shaq intimidated the league up until 2002, even Duncan, but Duncan got his average, and Duncan didnt usually stick Shaq, but I saw the swing shift in the playoffs in 2003, when Shaq was being a little disrespectful to Timmy, then Timmy probably had an epiphany, and just started taking Shaq to the hole, Timmy started disrespecting Shaq, Shaq was history in the Western Conference, the tide had swung to Timmy, Spurs win championship, Shaq Gordon to the eastern conference like all the big men from Rasheed Wallace (to Detroit before this time, but Duncan was cooking him), Kevin Garnett, ect.., remember the West was levels above the East, the giants went east and redisteibuted the talent and skill more evenly throughout the league
@@cflo1386 Yeah bro..And only 3 teams got out of the west in 13 years..Shaq/Kobe's Lakers, Duncan & crew, and Dirk twice. It was tough then.
There are a few group of players who can play in every era, for example, Maravich, Duncan, Dr J, Kareem, Stockton, Curry, Bird, Chamberlain. Lebron and Mj couldn't cause before 80s they would be called for traveling
@@franagustin3094 Curry couldn't play in the 80's-90's for sh*t. He's arguably the greatest shooter of all time...with no one guarding him. But against hard-nosed 80s-90's D he wouldn't even be getting 90% of those shots OFF much less hitting them.
And Jordan could not only play in every era but outright dominate them. Especially this current weak as* gen.
Gilbert doesn't know that he's not the only one that can use the internet
Gilbert thinks that if he talk loud and fast nobody gonna notice he is mumbling. LOL
The fact that these video clips came from DJ Vlad interviews just speaks to how "valid" Gilbert's takes really are!
Ooouuh I see what you did with that 😂😂
So traveling and carrying is good offense now😂😂
The problem I have with Gilbert and JJ Reddick the changing the narrative without CONTEXT of rules is Before you know it the and Lil hunch back teenagers who can’t dribble with their left hand gonna say the 2010’s sucked..
I agree. I've always said people and media be giving Gilbert Arenas waaay too much time out of their day. His takes are always utter trash, but he says them with so much conviction.
1st of all Gil couldn't guard guys from his own era lol.....2nd of all he definitely wouldn't be able to guard in an era when players can put their complete hand underneath the ball and take 4 or 5 steps to get their move off
Perfect breakdown. When my friend showed me that clip when it first dropped, I went straight to the numbers and it’s an easy dunk to prove it false. Also, the physical defense wasn’t about fouling as much as the refs respecting the defense’s right to occupy space on the court. They held and were allowed to by the officials to own their established position and that created most contact. Nowadays, offenses are rewarded for creating contact and that right to space is denied by the refs every time.
Can't combine the 80s to the 90s as if they're equal. Scoring in the 80s was more comparable than today's scoring than the 90s. There were actually legit and frequent complaints about the quality of 90s ball as compared to the 80s. The 90s game was reportedly watered down due to expansion and the retirement and decline of all time greats that made the 80s the best years.
80s was the golden era of the nba.
Gilbert Arenas: How do you feel you could have done in the 80s-90s era?? Be honest with yourself. How are you only a 3 time all star player in 12 years?? No motivation? Did you not want to improve your PPG% average? Ok…what about a DPOY 🏆that doesn’t require any points.🤯 All you have to do is shut down your opponent!🤦🏾♂️ Go sit down and re-evaluate your career and stop 🛑 talking down about the previous era’s. You never won a 🏆 you never was asked to join a super team. Gilbert,you’re yelling from the moon. Just stop ‼️ You are embarrassing yourself 😂🤣🫠🫠🫠
MJ on rule changes: "If teams were able to play zone defenses, I never would've had the career I had."
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Grant Hill averaged 21 a game before he got hurt…
Love your videos. Keep up the amazing work!
His opinions are not valid. Good player, odd personality. 80’s, 90’s we’re great decades in basketball history. Rules are different in today’s NBA.
Well, he’s entitled to his opinion. Which is a wrong opinion
1997 tim duncan would destroy prime arenas
Can we all just agree that the Hawks' "wingspan" uniforms from '95-99 were the absolute worst? They were not "so bad they were good," they were just bad. Historically bad.
amen, my brother. you are the best and proving these woke people wrong. The stats don't lie. 80s and 90s players were still great in the 2000s and beyond.
This is why I don't like to compare eras. Everyone thinks that if you drop a player in the 80s in the NBA now they wouldn't succeed. Thats BS. If Reggie Miller was born in say 1998 guess what he would still be the same Reggie Miller. In fact I can make the argument that he might be better because of the rule changes its way easier to get his shot off
The moves they do now used to be illegal back in the days, carrying, traveling etc.
No cap Gil has been lame since forever
Now a days. We got PG with 10+ rebounds. Back then, that’ll never happen on the daily. Hell no.
Homie said grant hill wasn’t killing. Then proceeded to state how grant hill averaged 21 as a rookie in a “Defensive era”. Are you kidding me? Also rebounds and assists stls and blocks.
Gilbert Arenas... yet another example of the Fact that just because you played basketball... doesn't mean you can speak it...
Arenas also lies about playing with MJ on the Wizards. Very weird.
Gilbert Arenas has such a high opinion of himself that he believes his opinions are all truth. The 90s were rougher than it was when he played. Be humble people
They are not true ball handling. They are allowed to carry the ball like a loaf of bread.
Uncut Hoops GETS DESTROYED for being a hypocrite
The reason why the offense had evolved and the defense hasn’t is because the rule changes handicap the defense.
add to the major differences in rules the fact that today almost every contact made is a defensive foul, an offensive player can push the defensive player off him with body or off hand and not be called
Defense hasn’t evolved because they changed the rules to make it easier to score.And Gilbert never played defense
I remember seeing Stockton school Gilbert in a game....
Drugs is already affecting Gilbert's brain.
Didn’t Arenas whole career was dominated by players drafted in 90s except 2012?
Arenas, Perkins, JJ, Nick Wright, and Shannon use these weak Narratives to make Lebron's Career look more superior and difficult than Jordan. Lebron's Eastern Conference run was by far the weakest and most overrated by any All Time Great in the last 40 years.
Gilbert Arenas is out of his mind. he is nowhere near Jordan or Stockton
You are extremely wise young man and slaughtered that overrated grifter with this take.
100% accurate about post defense. It's sickening to watch defenders really have nothing to do to stop a Giannis or Jokic from backing them down.
Gilbert Arena GETS DESTROYED 80s & 90s
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Everybody wants to feel special and unique in their era. (Truth is, it's ego that gets them trying to conquer other eras in which they didn't play and know nothing.)
We even see this in Formula 1, where an average of 3 or 4 drivers would die every season during the 1960s and 1970s.... Far easier to rack up multiple championships when you're in the best machinery and NOT dead 😉🙄
Ego, you are correct. Kinda sad when you see it. It’s just a pathetic little voice in their head screaming me me me 🤣
Gilbert is a clown, he’ll be right less often than a broken clock and he’s not not very bright 🤷♀️
What are the chances Gil ran into MJ at a run and Jordan gave it to him. LeBron ran pickup at a Jordan camp while in High School. Remember, MJ was active way past his playing days even beating Charlotte Bobcats 1 on 1 in his late 40's and early 50's.
Would love to see current players play the 90s Detroit Pistons
Gladly, the all rookie team would fry them
GILBERT , STOP IT !!!
But I think he's say that because of rule changes you can't check these more skill players but it was a lot of great defensive guys in the 80s and 90s
And you couldn't guard those guys
But why is it that no one confronts these guys with facts? Like "So Gilbert, you said you barbecued Stockton but in 3 games you scored a total of 22 points, what do you have to say?"