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Lumber is trading at under 500$a MBF, most mid to full size mills can't keep the blades turning at that price. you would think we'd see a drop in lumber cost at retail, but it's not happening. More manipulated 'shortages' to keep that retail price sky high. they are starving us out in real time folks......
You have no idea how many people's wallets must be drained to make a single multibillionaire CEO nor how many grasping, self-absorbed, gluttonous esso bees are clawing each other's eyes out to be the next one.
@@yardfowl3149 well it’s $3.85 for an untraded 2 x 4 and $4.99 for treated 2 x 4. Which is only 10 to 20% more than it was 13 years ago. Maybe it could be less but the 12 x 12 x 1” board was only a dollar more than it was 14 years ago!
Farmers and Ranchers are getting the same treatment. Pay you .50 cents , charge the customer $18.00. Better not to produce and give it away, sit on your hands till the prices go up for you.
This is happening so the Department of the Interior will buy up the land at cheap prices. Similar tactics were used on our property we lost 4000 acres to the government
Man here in Western NC theres more trees down than you can cut, hardwood galore thats rootballed, huge oaks and maples. So many people giving it away, pulp wood even more so, pines and poplar EVERYWHERE, I've cut so much firewood the past couple months, 23 L9000 loads nothing but white oak and assorted maples and it was all free or got paid to take it....its unreal at what Helene did.
I'm from Haywood county NC, the damage that has been done will take YEAR'S if they grow back , don't know yet what chemicals are in the ground. The worst part is thousand's of lives have been lost and people having to sleep in tents in this COLD weather if they live through the winter most of them still won't have a home 😢 So people please don't forget about these people here PLEASE they still need help ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Need to do a video on how private equity went on a sawmill acquisition spree in 2020-2021 when plywood was $100 and short-term interest rates were basically zero, but now are drowning because rates skyrocketed and demand tanked.
@@johnarnold893 Back in 1913, there was no IRS and we were told: "Only millionaires would be taxed, a mere 1%". How's that working out for you? I'm all for rolling back time to no IRS/no FED banking system, and having Congress do its job the old-fashioned way of working for us and not against us. When used the right way tariffs are better for the average citizen. Granted, tariffs work against politicians bent on stealing from citizens. Perhaps it's time to crack the history books open and do some overdue learning.
@@BarryThacker-t5l Some people can't remember what they ate an hour ago and you want them to remember what happened 4 years ago after being lied to by the news media daily?
@@TOSSITUPGAMES I thought inflation was good? remember your base telling us bugs and inflation was good. They also said it was my fault for the c-vid outbreak. Because i was not vaxxed. WHAT A BUMPER CROP OF DEMONIC IDIOTS
We had two local mills shut down this year in western Oregon. 150 family wage jobs gone, Loggers are now having to truck logs further, making the landowner less money. Thanks for the video.
Over the last couple of years we've had three large sawmills shut down permanently here in the central interior of BC Canada , and that would amount to over a thousand jobs lost.😡
Classic walk-away at the beginning of your youthful vision-statement, then your realization. Ah, the passing of knowledge and wisdom. Love it. You two are great and thank you for the industry update.
I hear the oddest story in Maine. A local logger hires young gamers to run his equipment. He said they can smoke the old timers on production, on the joy sticks. I logged in NC. It is totally different how they operate in these different states.
@@user-tn2os8ts7h. He didn’t say they were wrecking things. He just said their familiarity with controls allowed them to work faster. Besides they’re not old tired and bored with having done it a billion times.
I know folks in Ga. that still have trees laying on their homes that are uninhabitable. Where are the timber folks in Fl., Ga., N.C., and Tenn. Most of that would be free for the harvesting. Most of it at my friends homestead are mature pine. Something smells foul with lumber pricing!
Some lumber yards are selling cheaper .. find your local lumber distributors. Some are smart and seizing the opportunity by undercutting the big box stores.
Hi Joe - it’s Big Rodders in Ireland. Really enjoyed the very informative chat with Nathan. I can’t help thinking that you’re going to pay for this fine weather later on in the season so make hay while the sun shines!
I used to sell logs off of my property and even made a few deals cutting for other people. But the cost of harvesting got higher and the price of logs went down to the point that it was not worth doing. I live in an area where the terrain is very rough and hard on equipment. Also many of the mills shut down and the ones that remain pay less.
You must be in the mountains, my dad and brothers were loggers and their log's were got out the old way by horse and loaded by hand. This was in Haywood county NC. After Dad passed away my brother's kept logging until several years ago wood yards started closing down. I know logging life was a very hard life back then a not so hard now day's with all the equipment they have and I know it's very expensive to repair the machinery when needed. GOD bless you ❤❤
Way to go Joe! Our forestry is hurting, but no shortage of trees coming down here in Toronto.. I wish I could order my species to guarantee availability, but I get whatever the tree cutters pump out
He said the logger thinks the logs should bring more at the mill. So does the land owner. A neighbor had his pine farm thinned. The logger told him a price and the neighbor thought it was too cheap. The logger said well I can raise my price. The land owner realized the logger was charging for thinning. The landowner was paying. Not receiving any for his trees. Anyway you look at it there is a huge spread from stump to lumberyard.
That looks like an honest and fun job being a logger. I wish the typical American could appreciate what these men do for our country and keep things working.
With Jessie talking retirement, it is nice to see that you have other options. The market has its ups and downs but you will be able to keep your business plan in place in order to keep going.
Joe I really enjoyed this video, lots of good info. Good to see the logs rolling in should keep you well supplied for a while. Nathan seems to be pretty sharp and knows what he's doing. He may become one of your best friends going forward especially supplying logs like that. Take care and Happy Thanksgiving.
Good God , what i would give to be able to go out and get a wood cutting tag from the state and harvast maple or oak! All we have here is cotton wood elm, maybe pine logde pole and pinion pine or juniper. I rely on my wood burner stove for heating to keep the natural gas bill managable.
Work trucks aren’t cheap to keep them up. This one is definitely expensive. Good to learn more about all the moving parts with making trees into firewood.
I'm in Columbiana County and heat solely with wood. Still pay an arm and 2 legs to get firewood for the winter. Bundles of slab burn too fast (and I have to cut those to length). I'm a 70 year old widow! Keeps me fit but doesn't do much for the checkbook.
Back when I w orked at BIA, I was at a northern Maine rez and the foresters said Canada pretty owned all the land around their rez and most in Maine because Guvmint regulations pretty much killed domestic timber based industries. About 10 years ago the only EP A approved wood burning fireplace insert was Canadian. Glad you are still in business.
The lumber market has been soft for a few years. Covid probably had lots to do with the supply/ demand. BARKO just shut assembly ops in superior Wi and moved all production to pettibone in baraga, mi. People are not buying homes and anything that is lumber intensive. Sad days as these mills shutter and loose buyers.
They're intentionally keeping the price of lumber high. This is the equivalent to grocery stores throwing out food they can't sell instead of giving it to the homeless or reducing prices.
In the lumber industry, there’s probably gonna be another change in the future. New powerline poles are now becoming man-made, steel concrete and other materials. Therefore a portion of harvested trees are not going to be a cross arm or power pole .
The less trucks I see going down the road hauling tiny logs with hardly any growth rings , or a load of nice logs headed to some chipper at a paper mill is a very good thing in my opinion... Id rather see healthy trees allowed to grow to maturity over trucks hauling tiny logs down the road any day of the week...
Joe, great video and lessons in business in so many aspects. In a nutshell shell, you have a network and a better read on the market through the network you have with the loggers/drivers like Log Hauler Jesse and Nathan. Happy Thanksgiving to you all. 👍🏻
I'm from NEPA - we basically use two types of trees here. Saw logs - hoping for some veneer logs- and firewood logs. Many folks who don't harvest their own trees buy log length trees delivered by a truck like Nathan's. Then they cut to the size they need and then split them. Firewood has become big business.
@@loghaulerjesse8228 I've told Joe that lots of the success of his channel is because of you! You and Joe are the perfect "tag team". I hope you get to do some sailing in Lake Erie next summer. I dont think it is as nasty as Lake Michigan or Lake Superior regarding storms on the lake.
Nice video Joe, nice to see Nathan back at the yard bringing you some bounty from the forest. Happy Thanksgiving! Elaine from Canada here, cheers to you and your family.
Joe, buy them when you can. It’s like putting money in the bank. Maybe you could lease a 20-30’ strip of more land on the other side of your wall to stage some hardwood. Ha ha, I know it all cost $$$$. Great video & appreciate you sharing your time with us. Happy 🦃🦃🦃🦃day. Have a great day.👍 Dave from Maine.
This is great. Is he able to tell anything about the strength of the economy by the amount of business that the blocking Mills are doing? I would think that the demand for shipping products like blocking and pallets would go down if the economy goes down.
Hi Joe, another educational video. I'm wondering how you are charged for a load of logs. It seems like the only way to get a reasonable idea of the volume of a load would be to go by weight, but then it depends on the species of tree and how long it has been cut. I used to sell mostly Ponderosa Pine to a mill by measuring the board feet of the log, at DBH - breast high, approx 4.5', pretty hard to do with the variation of size and length of logs you are getting. Inquiring minds need to know! LOL
Very informative talk, Nathan really knows his business. We are low-man on the Totem pole- even way beneath the pole! Maybe it’s regional, wondering about Stave logs, for barrel making, White oaks have to be very clear, never have seen knots, probably right below Veneer grade. Take care
Absolutely fascinating video! Very interesting topic! All I can say is that in my area of SE PA, I have multiple tree services, and now some loggers asking me if I can take FW poles. It seems there is way more material that they can handle.
Holmes County Amish community sawmills like tree lengty. They have a yarder to cut the stems to the length they need. Here in Fredricktown Amish community, they can't have the yarder. All logs are cut to length with chainsaws before they get trucked to our mills. The dryness has had a big effect on the amount of available logs of all sorts. Here in Fredricktown, the firewood logs get cut into pallet stock at our several pallet ,or blocking mills.
Already, the US has a 10% to 20% tariff on Canadian lumber. Folks are holding logs until they know how tariffs will change. If everyone outside the US gets tariffed, then US producers can increase prices. Logs are a better margin meanwhile.
The tariff on finished canadian lumber is currently 14.5%, set to go up again with another 25% tariff. Canada is expected to put an export tax of 30% on logs, which currently have no tariffs at all. Add in the 25% tariff on Canadian oil (40% of fuel used in the U.S is from there.) and tariffs on Steel, truck and machine parts, things are going to get any better.
Hi Joe. Another great video. Very interesting talk with Nathan. The log markets are always changing. And hopefully we get the wood we need. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!
I heat my house with wood. Having to use a little propane heater this year because I can't afford the cost of a cord, $250 (from a friend) and UP!! Rural Colorado. Too many people, not enough resources like water, let alone fire wood. The price of lumber is insane. Who can afford to function these days?
Right. After the flood in western NC there's so much downed wood it's crazy and, of course, the log buyers are swamped. There's a strong market for black walnut and white oak. Everything else is in low demand and consequently brings low prices, but to tell the truth, the market here has been on a downswing for years anyway. With the closing of the paper mill in Canton the demand for pulp wood dried up too. Firewood? There's a concern down the road with a processor and they sell tri--axle dump trucks loads. Where it goes I do not know. I got the logs but there's no way I could male a buck selling firewood in this market!
The lumber industry is trying to create an artificial shortage in order to drive up lumber costs so they can profit more off their investment. THAT'S what's going on.
This should be pinned to the top. They are playing this 'artificial scarcity' game with food, bleach, toilet paper, etc. In 2020, they learned they could double or triple profits while producing less product and lowering overhead. We need to look at the people who own the link in the chain that is holding things up.
My area of WV, deep mountains, almost everbody is in the industry. More logs hauled here than Carter had liver pills. I live few hundred yards from a mill. Always a humming day and night. No shortage of logs here. Mostly hardwoods business where Im at. Take care.
One thing that occurred to me though might not be the case, people might be wanting to cut more trees now because of all the fires there's been like to make fire breaks and to get it while it's good. Also maybe for the fact that people might start fires and even drones could potentially so that could possibly be some reason to cut more. Sad though. I don't know if that's much to do with it but it was a thought.
So to get this straight: the more you pull out of your forest, the less they’ll pay You’d think that the answer is to create a small shortage to raise prices Nope Some other jackass will be willing to take your place in line Meanwhile, you work harder for the same money You can see why so few young folks want to get into these ressource trades like farming and forestry
Farming has subsidies that flatten out their boom and bust. Oil companies likewise have a host of subsidies and tax incentives to help them during times of over production. I don't think that exists in the timber industry but I don't know for sure.
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Gotta keep the supply low and the prices high some way or another right. The prices they are charging for wood in the stores is INSANE, BEYOND INSANE.
Lumber is trading at under 500$a MBF, most mid to full size mills can't keep the blades turning at that price. you would think we'd see a drop in lumber cost at retail, but it's not happening. More manipulated 'shortages' to keep that retail price sky high. they are starving us out in real time folks......
You have no idea how many people's wallets must be drained to make a single multibillionaire CEO nor how many grasping, self-absorbed, gluttonous esso bees are clawing each other's eyes out to be the next one.
@@yardfowl3149 well it’s $3.85 for an untraded 2 x 4 and $4.99 for treated 2 x 4. Which is only 10 to 20% more than it was 13 years ago.
Maybe it could be less but the 12 x 12 x 1” board was only a dollar more than it was 14 years ago!
Farmers and Ranchers are getting the same treatment. Pay you .50 cents , charge the customer $18.00. Better not to produce and give it away, sit on your hands till the prices go up for you.
Enron did it first. Everywhere now
This is happening so the Department of the Interior will buy up the land at cheap prices. Similar tactics were used on our property we lost 4000 acres to the government
Man here in Western NC theres more trees down than you can cut, hardwood galore thats rootballed, huge oaks and maples. So many people giving it away, pulp wood even more so, pines and poplar EVERYWHERE, I've cut so much firewood the past couple months, 23 L9000 loads nothing but white oak and assorted maples and it was all free or got paid to take it....its unreal at what Helene did.
Awful to here of the damage Nick. Sounds like you have been busy!
I'm from Haywood county NC, the damage that has been done will take YEAR'S if they grow back , don't know yet what chemicals are in the ground. The worst part is thousand's of lives have been lost and people having to sleep in tents in this COLD weather if they live through the winter most of them still won't have a home 😢 So people please don't forget about these people here PLEASE they still need help ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@shirleytruett7319 Our government has done NOTHING for these people, they've lost everything. It's truly disgusting.
@@dc6233simply not true .trumpist propaganda .go to femas website and see for yourself instead of somebody said.
@@dc6233 Yeah, but the illegals are in five-star hotels and drawing a big check every month, isn't that what counts?😆
Need to do a video on how private equity went on a sawmill acquisition spree in 2020-2021 when plywood was $100 and short-term interest rates were basically zero, but now are drowning because rates skyrocketed and demand tanked.
And we still need to take out a second mortgage to buy a sheet of plywood in the store.
I can't believe how expensive a sheet of plywood was. Not sure what it is now but during the lockdown it was crazy!
@@johnarnold893 Back in 1913, there was no IRS and we were told: "Only millionaires would be taxed, a mere 1%". How's that working out for you? I'm all for rolling back time to no IRS/no FED banking system, and having Congress do its job the old-fashioned way of working for us and not against us. When used the right way tariffs are better for the average citizen. Granted, tariffs work against politicians bent on stealing from citizens. Perhaps it's time to crack the history books open and do some overdue learning.
@@BarryThacker-t5l Some people can't remember what they ate an hour ago and you want them to remember what happened 4 years ago after being lied to by the news media daily?
He's unloading lowest grade that are only good for firewood. And way to small in diameter to bother with frankly.
@@TOSSITUPGAMES I thought inflation was good? remember your base telling us bugs and inflation was good. They also said it was my fault for the c-vid outbreak. Because i was not vaxxed. WHAT A BUMPER CROP OF DEMONIC IDIOTS
It’s nice to see someone who knows how to use his equipment 😊
We had two local mills shut down this year in western Oregon. 150 family wage jobs gone, Loggers are now having to truck logs further, making the landowner less money. Thanks for the video.
That stinks. We dealt with that here in the Mahoning Valley back in the 80's. Gutted our area
Over the last couple of years we've had three large sawmills shut down permanently here in the central interior of BC Canada , and that would amount to over a thousand jobs lost.😡
the log hog here. please have nathan back. kid seems wise beyond his years.
I hope he does come back bob. He plays a key role with OWB
That is strange, because price of lumber in stores like Home Depot are crazy high...
Classic walk-away at the beginning of your youthful vision-statement, then your realization. Ah, the passing of knowledge and wisdom. Love it. You two are great and thank you for the industry update.
Nathan grabbing a call right in the middle of your 'walking uphill both ways to school in the middle of a snowstorm' speech was pure gold. 😆🤣🤣🤣
And here I thought it was an interesting story!
I hear the oddest story in Maine. A local logger hires young gamers to run his equipment. He said they can smoke the old timers on production, on the joy sticks. I logged in NC. It is totally different how they operate in these different states.
Maine is a slow state. I'm hoping it stays that way. Those young gamers will cause more unnecessary repairs
Interesting. These young kids have more computer skills in their finger than we will ever have
Give ‘em a bottle of Mountain Dew and you’ll double production.
@@user-tn2os8ts7h. He didn’t say they were wrecking things. He just said their familiarity with controls allowed them to work faster. Besides they’re not old tired and bored with having done it a billion times.
@@whereswaldo5740lol
I know folks in Ga. that still have trees laying on their homes that are uninhabitable. Where are the timber folks in Fl., Ga., N.C., and Tenn. Most of that would be free for the harvesting. Most of it at my friends homestead are mature pine. Something smells foul with lumber pricing!
boy u can say that again.;the big 3 retailers are killing the consume,an that aint right!
Seems like some construction men need to get together or actually loggers and start there wood business to MAKE THE OTHER COMPANIES GO BROKEEEEEEEEE
Some lumber yards are selling cheaper .. find your local lumber distributors. Some are smart and seizing the opportunity by undercutting the big box stores.
Great video Joe! The information about the logging industry is great!
Thanks for watching Ben!
Love the education on the log types.
Thanks 4 watching Joe
Hi Joe - it’s Big Rodders in Ireland. Really enjoyed the very informative chat with Nathan. I can’t help thinking that you’re going to pay for this fine weather later on in the season so make hay while the sun shines!
I agree BR. If lake erie isnt frozen we are at high risk of big snow!
I used to sell logs off of my property and even made a few deals cutting for other people. But the cost of harvesting got higher and the price of logs went down to the point that it was not worth doing. I live in an area where the terrain is very rough and hard on equipment. Also many of the mills shut down and the ones that remain pay less.
You must be in the mountains, my dad and brothers were loggers and their log's were got out the old way by horse and loaded by hand. This was in Haywood county NC. After Dad passed away my brother's kept logging until several years ago wood yards started closing down. I know logging life was a very hard life back then a not so hard now day's with all the equipment they have and I know it's very expensive to repair the machinery when needed. GOD bless you ❤❤
Interesting conversation, Joe! Nathan’s a great “guest”…with industry insights. 👍👍
I am impressed with what he has done. A good friend to have!
Way to go Joe! Our forestry is hurting, but no shortage of trees coming down here in Toronto.. I wish I could order my species to guarantee availability, but I get whatever the tree cutters pump out
I wish I could just order a truck and it would show up Anthony....but it unfortunately doesn't work that way LOL
Get them while you can, Nathan might be a regular now on your channel, those are premium firewood logs. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
Thanks KB!
He said the logger thinks the logs should bring more at the mill. So does the land owner. A neighbor had his pine farm thinned. The logger told him a price and the neighbor thought it was too cheap. The logger said well I can raise my price. The land owner realized the logger was charging for thinning. The landowner was paying. Not receiving any for his trees. Anyway you look at it there is a huge spread from stump to lumberyard.
...and the firewood producer thinks the logs should be cheaper!
That looks like an honest and fun job being a logger. I wish the typical American could appreciate what these men do for our country and keep things working.
Good for u both !! God bless ur business's may they be profitable! Bless our America !!
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm glad you are enjoying the content.
Loads of good information. Love the comedy routine at the end.
Pun intended
Nice word choice Roger. You could be a writer!
With Jessie talking retirement, it is nice to see that you have other options. The market has its ups and downs but you will be able to keep your business plan in place in order to keep going.
Agree terry. I need a network of suppliers!
What a neat topic on different levels of logs and how they are used and needed.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family 😉👍
Thanks Dan. Same to you buddy
They don't look like sawlogs to me. More likely tops left over from taking the larger boles.
Joe I really enjoyed this video, lots of good info. Good to see the logs rolling in should keep you well supplied for a while. Nathan seems to be pretty sharp and knows what he's doing. He may become one of your best friends going forward especially supplying logs like that. Take care and Happy Thanksgiving.
He would be a good friend to have for sure!
So I found "where's Waldo" when Nathan got out of the truck! 😂 Great Video!
haha Thanks Mike
Couldn't finish the watch. Broke my heart to see the waste.
Want to thank you for making this video. Good job 👍
What waste?
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Let me know when you get it put together. I will need to borrow it LOL
We have logged our farm for years but haven't heard some of these terms!
I'm learning along with everyone else LOL
Good God , what i would give to be able to go out and get a wood cutting tag from the state and harvast maple or oak! All we have here is cotton wood elm, maybe pine logde pole and pinion pine or juniper. I rely on my wood burner stove for heating to keep the natural gas bill managable.
Thanks for the education Nathan!!
Thanks for watching and supporting Harold
Work trucks aren’t cheap to keep them up. This one is definitely expensive.
Good to learn more about all the moving parts with making trees into firewood.
Thanks for watching JR!
My neighbors just bought a truckload of firewood poles for $900 or South of Mercer PA by an hour or so seems a little high
I would say it is on the high-end but that is about what they go for. Seems there are a lot of variables but mostly how far the trucker had to travel
I'm in Columbiana County and heat solely with wood. Still pay an arm and 2 legs to get firewood for the winter. Bundles of slab burn too fast (and I have to cut those to length). I'm a 70 year old widow! Keeps me fit but doesn't do much for the checkbook.
Check with Grasshopper in Ytown. they seem like a good service and would prob bring you good wood.
Back when I w orked at BIA, I was at a northern Maine rez and the foresters said Canada pretty owned all the land around their rez and most in Maine because Guvmint regulations pretty much killed domestic timber based industries. About 10 years ago the only EP A approved wood burning fireplace insert was Canadian. Glad you are still in business.
Happy Thanksgiving Joe and Family
Same to you tim
Great info on the log types! I'll have alil more knowledge, next time I buy my firewood poles from the local mill.
I am learning right along with you Matt!
The lumber market has been soft for a few years. Covid probably had lots to do with the supply/ demand. BARKO just shut assembly ops in superior Wi and moved all production to pettibone in baraga, mi. People are not buying homes and anything that is lumber intensive. Sad days as these mills shutter and loose buyers.
Thanks for your insight Mike. Please consider subscribing!
They're intentionally keeping the price of lumber high.
This is the equivalent to grocery stores throwing out food they can't sell instead of giving it to the homeless or reducing prices.
Those are some awesome looking logs!
Anchorage AK 12-18-24 9a AK time ....VERY informative .....great 'post' on logging/hauling/uses 👍🇱🇷
In the lumber industry, there’s probably gonna be another change in the future. New powerline poles are now becoming man-made, steel concrete and other materials. Therefore a portion of harvested trees are not going to be a cross arm or power pole .
Interesting to hear Cowboy. Thanks buddy
The less trucks I see going down the road hauling tiny logs with hardly any growth rings , or a load of nice logs headed to some chipper at a paper mill is a very good thing in my opinion...
Id rather see healthy trees allowed to grow to maturity over trucks hauling tiny logs down the road any day of the week...
The land owner is free to make his/her own decisions. Trees have value somewhere
Joe, great video and lessons in business in so many aspects. In a nutshell shell, you have a network and a better read on the market through the network you have with the loggers/drivers like Log Hauler Jesse and Nathan. Happy Thanksgiving to you all. 👍🏻
Thanks CM. It seems that not only do you need a network of customers but also on the other side of the business, supply
Nathan on the ball. Has the right attitude. His parents did a good job. I ran self loader and little sawmill and loved it all
Thanks for supporting Dennis!
I'm from NEPA - we basically use two types of trees here. Saw logs - hoping for some veneer logs- and firewood logs.
Many folks who don't harvest their own trees buy log length trees delivered by a truck like Nathan's. Then they cut to the size they need and then split them.
Firewood has become big business.
Sounds like a good area to open a firewood machine store!
@ohiowoodburner most folks use spitters from T.S. stores or other units from H.D. - there are a few firewood processing places around too
Happy Thanksgiving and many blessings, Joe!
You too! I’m thankful for the support Mark
Good to see, but also sad to see Log hauler Jessie's replacement.
Well, he isn't LHJ's replacement. Jesse is still around. I have dealt with Nathan in the past. Super cool dude
Life goes on. Nathan is a good replacement.
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I've told Joe that lots of the success of his channel is because of you!
You and Joe are the perfect "tag team".
I hope you get to do some sailing in Lake Erie next summer. I dont think it is as nasty as Lake Michigan or Lake Superior regarding storms on the lake.
Another great load of logs, makes it easier to cut into firewood. Happy Thanksgiving Joe.
Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving to you too Gerry!
Im curious how much will go to new construction and how much to tunneling?
Nice video Joe, nice to see Nathan back at the yard bringing you some bounty from the forest. Happy Thanksgiving! Elaine from Canada here, cheers to you and your family.
Same to you Elaine!!
Joe, buy them when you can. It’s like putting money in the bank. Maybe you could lease a 20-30’ strip of more land on the other side of your wall to stage some hardwood. Ha ha, I know it all cost $$$$. Great video & appreciate you sharing your time with us. Happy 🦃🦃🦃🦃day. Have a great day.👍 Dave from Maine.
Thanks dave
This is great. Is he able to tell anything about the strength of the economy by the amount of business that the blocking Mills are doing? I would think that the demand for shipping products like blocking and pallets would go down if the economy goes down.
Not sure but could be a workable theory
Hi Joe, another educational video. I'm wondering how you are charged for a load of logs. It seems like the only way to get a reasonable idea of the volume of a load would be to go by weight, but then it depends on the species of tree and how long it has been cut. I used to sell mostly Ponderosa Pine to a mill by measuring the board feet of the log, at DBH - breast high, approx 4.5', pretty hard to do with the variation of size and length of logs you are getting. Inquiring minds need to know! LOL
Seems $$ is charged by the truck load...or volume. I have paid fractionally less on trucks that weren't full.
Very informative talk, Nathan really knows his business. We are low-man on the Totem pole- even way beneath the pole! Maybe it’s regional, wondering about Stave logs, for barrel making, White oaks have to be very clear, never have seen knots, probably right below Veneer grade. Take care
I learned that real quick that we get the last of the job
Definitely a surplus overall of inventory
For now Lol
@ I dunno about that more like a while…
It is very dry in Maryland they are logging like crazy around me. The past few weeks
Absolutely fascinating video! Very interesting topic! All I can say is that in my area of SE PA, I have multiple tree services, and now some loggers asking me if I can take FW poles. It seems there is way more material that they can handle.
Have you purchased poles yet? IMO it is worth the $$ even if you are getting tree service wood for free. Much less labor involved
I’d love to snag a few log loads like that!
I could def use more!
Just had some pine logs harvested. Got $20 a ton.
we stop logging 4 years ago cant make any money cost of logging is to hi here in ILL
Thanks for adding Max
What is the price of hard wood to 🔥 in a stove,we only have mountain trees out here in Idaho.
Oh, how I would love to get some of that for woodworking
I’m “ logged on “ Joe ! That’s an impressive haul 💪
haha. Love it Gus!
Regulating keep that price high🎉
Great information good to know!!
Holmes County Amish community sawmills like tree lengty. They have a yarder to cut the stems to the length they need.
Here in Fredricktown Amish community, they can't have the yarder. All logs are cut to length with chainsaws before they get trucked to our mills.
The dryness has had a big effect on the amount of available logs of all sorts. Here in Fredricktown, the firewood logs get cut into pallet stock at our several pallet ,or blocking mills.
thanks JB. I would bet Nathan gets out your way.
Here in Arkansas where i live typically the firewood and scrag logs go for pulp wood
Im not sure but i dont think there are pulp mills in this area
Nice truck Nathan 🚚...
Joe the timber industry's Relief Valve. Enjoy the Journey - Cheers
Well said bob!
My cost has moved a bit on a tri axle load. Has yours? End cost is about 40 bucks a face cord for me.
My prices are all over the place. It is hard to keep track.
Thanks. I guess it's a good time to buy timbers for my timber frame cottage.
Already, the US has a 10% to 20% tariff on Canadian lumber. Folks are holding logs until they know how tariffs will change. If everyone outside the US gets tariffed, then US producers can increase prices. Logs are a better margin meanwhile.
Thanks for your insight Justin.
The tariff on finished canadian lumber is currently 14.5%, set to go up again with another 25% tariff. Canada is expected to put an export tax of 30% on logs, which currently have no tariffs at all. Add in the 25% tariff on Canadian oil (40% of fuel used in the U.S is from there.) and tariffs on Steel, truck and machine parts, things are going to get any better.
Hi Joe. Another great video. Very interesting talk with Nathan. The log markets are always changing. And hopefully we get the wood we need. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!
All i can say now is I am getting logs LOL. This is a first!
Exceptional logs for firewood that young man is on point completely with everything that he has mentioned
Thanks for the nice comment LInda!
Thank you
You bet!
I heat my house with wood. Having to use a little propane heater this year because I can't afford the cost of a cord, $250 (from a friend) and UP!! Rural Colorado. Too many people, not enough resources like water, let alone fire wood. The price of lumber is insane. Who can afford to function these days?
Right. After the flood in western NC there's so much downed wood it's crazy and, of course, the log buyers are swamped. There's a strong market for black walnut and white oak. Everything else is in low demand and consequently brings low prices, but to tell the truth, the market here has been on a downswing for years anyway. With the closing of the paper mill in Canton the demand for pulp wood dried up too.
Firewood? There's a concern down the road with a processor and they sell tri--axle dump trucks loads. Where it goes I do not know. I got the logs but there's no way I could male a buck selling firewood in this market!
Interesting post RC. Thanks
If anything price is down. Half trees in ga and s.c just blew over .. thats the main logging area for ga pacific
The lumber industry is trying to create an artificial shortage in order to drive up lumber costs so they can profit more off their investment. THAT'S what's going on.
This should be pinned to the top. They are playing this 'artificial scarcity' game with food, bleach, toilet paper, etc. In 2020, they learned they could double or triple profits while producing less product and lowering overhead.
We need to look at the people who own the link in the chain that is holding things up.
Very nice load of logs.
Happy Thanksgiving Joe
I stop by Monday to stack firewood for you
I will be here Larry lol
Right …. ANYTHING to cause a bigger spike in retail prices and anything to suppress wholesale.
Isn’t this becoming true in many industries ?
My area of WV, deep mountains, almost everbody is in the industry. More logs hauled here than Carter had liver pills. I live few hundred yards from a mill. Always a humming day and night. No shortage of logs here. Mostly hardwoods business where Im at. Take care.
Thanks Jim. My family is from WV. I have rode many a mile on the Cass Senic RR.
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 Joe.
Same to you mike!
first time viewer! awesome video you guys !
Thanks for watching Peerless. Hope you come back buddy
One thing that occurred to me though might not be the case, people might be wanting to cut more trees now because of all the fires there's been like to make fire breaks and to get it while it's good. Also maybe for the fact that people might start fires and even drones could potentially so that could possibly be some reason to cut more. Sad though. I don't know if that's much to do with it but it was a thought.
Hey Joe Do u lose out on bored feet per load with short ones?
I would suspect I do. I see that top section and it seems to me I am missing about a quarter of total yield had the logs been full length.
Nice video, Joe! Very interesting and informative! - Tim
Thanks Tim!
So to get this straight: the more you pull out of your forest, the less they’ll pay
You’d think that the answer is to create a small shortage to raise prices
Nope
Some other jackass will be willing to take your place in line
Meanwhile, you work harder for the same money
You can see why so few young folks want to get into these ressource trades like farming and forestry
Farming has subsidies that flatten out their boom and bust. Oil companies likewise have a host of subsidies and tax incentives to help them during times of over production. I don't think that exists in the timber industry but I don't know for sure.
Joe I really enjoyed today's video I learned a lot about the logging mills. have a Happy Thanksgiving and shine on my friend
Glad you enjoyed it, have a great Thanksgiving!
We need to take a page out of the Japanese handbook. They do logging the correct way, daisugi style.
Nice explanation Nathan. Log hauler Jessie watch out. LOL.
haha. nathan is a super cool dude
@@ohiowoodburner Yes he is. I enjoyed this video very much. No disrespect intended.
How much would it cost for a tandem load cost dropped off
Interesting. Joe pike them up anywhere you can but don't stop buying logs!
I agree with you Zeke
Interesting to hear what's going on south of the border. Things are very slow here across the board where I am.
Interesting to hear GG. Hope things pick back up
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
Nathan had to exit the frame to make that sale - good business owner. Great video!
haha. He just doesn't appreciate good story telling